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- Is Future currently in the top tier of the rap game? Joe Budden and DJ Akademiks debate on the latest episode of #EverydayStruggle.
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This man has dropped Monster, DS2, Save me, Hndrxx, what a time to be alive, the wizrd, evol, purple reign, 56 nights etc. All solid projects, his vocals and production are incredible. His song writing is so overlooked especially on certain projects like Monster and Save. He has pushed the boundaries of trap music and has inspired so many individuals. He is absolutely one of the best to do it.
Facts
Nothin but BIG FACTZ
Joe is the first african-american i`ve seen turning red during a argument.
Christopher Moltisanti NFS😂taught me sumn new
Lmaoo. He always red. Nigga look like a fucking cherry 🤣
Well he is a redbone
Hahaha
I MAKE GOOD MUSIC😩😩🔥🔥🧡🧡
Akademiks looks so confused when he's listening to Budden talk.
Louis Nevers akademics not able to talk about certain topics past his own personal opinion he dont know shit abt rap
He’s not that smart
Faaaaacts
Yess
Future is basically a more successful trap version of T Pain, nobody called T Pain an MC back in the day either
Yung Wavy Exactly, T-Pain actually changed the whole industry.
stop, theyre nowhere near alike
But....
Tpain was the biggest thing in MUSIC when he was on.
Dude lived on the radio and t.]v.
Mike D. Yeah, but over time the mainstream neglected him. Future so far seems to have more staying power, which is wild because I think T-Pain was better.
yugfus future has waaayyy more hit songs than tpain ever had!! future makes like 20 mixtapes a month and they play every song in every club u go to!
T-Pain was an artist or featured artist in 4 top 10 songs simultaneously, Future hasn't done or won't do that.
This is honestly joe's show
The realest comment made on youtube by far
It actually was his show. Complex ruined it.
Joe Budden is right. Blame the executives for this bullshit because they don't know anything about hiphop.
Beats and melodies. Joe basically broke it down simply. Rap music is just R&B with trap beats. It's about who has the best melody on top of the beat.
right
saushe young you dumb
@RTG Colide don't act like it's not true
Rap is literally Rythm and poetry.
Rap and R&B are still Hip Hop, so i don't particularly see the problem, if their still rapping
march madness is one of the best songs tho
Raushaun Brown mask off is too
Raushaun Brown mask off IS absolutely nothing.
Raushaun Brown agreed 💯
they are all good cause of the melody tho
nah future has plenty of really really good tracks like Damage
metro booming and zaytoven deserve top tier spots
KwikDraw 35 you gay
Hahah
da also bruh for number 1 prod off all time
Budden with the LA Reid story was going so good and civil then this nigga got loud for no MoFo reason 😂😂
I take it you don't listen to his podcast. 😂 Joe is bipolar af
Akm Da Dream 😂😂😂😭😭😂😭
I don't care what you say! This is not up for debate!
Akm Da Dream Joe Budden is correct "you can't exploit us nationally and globally, but we're not afforded the luxuries as other genres". And that's as far as hip hop goes. Subscribe to my channel guys...
Im a big future fan, both Akademiks and Budden both got good points in regards to Future not being a traditional rapper, but putting out good music, appealing to his fanbase, pushing out fire mixtapes and Gold and Platinum albums, that nigga Future grind is crazy. So top tier artist? Yeah, (Traditional) Rapper? no
BTCthavillian I agree
Like they said it's fast food music. He pushes out so much music because it's low effort. He raps about the same shit, similar song structure etc.
BTCthavillian so I guess mc
Hammer was top tier
Not even close bro
BTCthavillian couldn't of said it better!
Shoutout to Southside, Metro, Zaytoven, TM88, all these great producers producing great instrumentals that a lot of wack "rappers" get rich on.
ken4yaya word
I think nowadays lyrical quality or "bars" is not much of a commodity as it used to be, it's more or less what unique quality can that artist contribute to the current trend of music.
nowadays the flow and beat are way more important than lyrics thats just how it is
ken4yaya Exactly, shame.
ken4yaya It should be a fucking crime how those beats go to waste tbh
Future can go from rapping off-beat then switching up his flow in an instant. Greatest to ever do it.
Future is not a "rapper"
@@LIJerseyBrooklyn trap artist
Trash
Future is easily a top tier artist, name a artist that drops fire mix tapes like monster, beast mode 56 nights, purple reign
He's not an artist hes trash low quaking nonsense.
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They got the same shirt on but different colours.
lil wayne is wack
Denver January Lil Wayne is the best rapper of all time.
+James Lil Wayne's the goat James hawkins no he isnt eminem is...can rap,makes his own beats and has his own labels...and doesnt sound like a gremlin doing deepthroat
James Lil Wayne's the goat James hawkins Tupac is
Denver January Tupac is...my favorite rapper is your favorite rapper's favorite rapper
Trap is the dominant sound in music right now. Future ushered it in. Without future there would be no Rae Sremmurd, Migos, Cardi B, Trap Drake etc.
Damn DJ akademiks joe's been killin u in these debates lately bruh lol
Who else is here 4 years later after everything Future has done? Hes a goat.
2 years later and he's still that guy
Joe talks to Akademiks like a step-father who's fed up with his step-kid LMAO
Future is one of the biggest artists in the world, not only in hip-hop. The man is a WIZARD. Future is an ICON, and does things no one can do. The guy makes ART. MELODY runs thru his body. Future is SPECIAL.
DJ Whackademiks is outta his league when debating Joe
I fuck with Joe Budden
Future is the legend of TRAP music nor rap bro
tell that to TI...
Nayvadius Wilburn Gucci mane
He is a legend in this era only.
FUTURE THE GOAT , fuckk off yall u all bunch of FUCKBOIS
Nayvadius Wilburn future good but I miss streets calling future FBG the movie future
I like what he said about Future not being a "traditional rapper" and he's right he's not a traditional rapper but he's also really not a rapper he's just simply Future and nobody has ever really had his sound. Most people who listen to rap don't know really how hard it is to make a song and make that sound that Future makes if you say "oh well I can't even understand what he says he's just mumbling" your not JUST listening to the lyrics your listening to the beat, the melody, the hooks, the voice, how someone can use their voice, the flow, YOUR LISTENING TO (MUSIC) and rap IS music obviously and rap is supposed to sound good your supposed to like the SOUND because music is sound and Future has that type of voice and skill and charisma he's not the best lyricist and not very many people know this but he used to be a very good lyricist in the early 2000s he has a certain vibe that is impossible to copy so you have to respect him for that and not judge him by just his lyrics. He's easily top 30 musical artists of all time.
Most Babies Are Ugly "future is top 30 musical artists of all time" is where this entire comment lost its credibility
Why do you think he's not? Just a question don't snap at me.
another correction, designer copied Future and did it better.lol
MaskOff the first to make top 20,
panda made first spot
gidmanone He didn't copy Future at all he just sounds like him because he has a deep voice and Desiigner has his own sound.
Most Babies Are Ugly wtf hell no nigga
Future Top Tier regardless he put out a #1 hit like almost every month
Joe Budden has so much information, he is perfect for this show.
"March madness one of the greatest songs i've ever heard in my life"
Future Hndrxxx got 13 top 100 hits, 3 #1 albums, ability to tour worldwide, and has Endorsements. Features from Jay Z, Kanye West, Rihanna, Drake, Pharrell, Miley Cyrus, Lil Wayne, Nicki Minaj, the weekend, Justin Bieber, and Toni Braxton.
Future is defly Top Tier!!!
Gino brown promotion and numbers dont make you good. He's a garbage rapper.
See sometimes his success is exaggerated by his peaks. For example, 13 entries or actual hits? cause he's only got like 6 top 40's as a soloist which is
what's considered HITS. He has 4* #1 albums bc of his rollout of
constant releases during good weeks but it's not like his end sales are
HUGE. He's big in hip-hop and has impact in hip-hop but I think he's just getting started in mainstream pop world. Drake is top tier and Kendrick seems to be coming fast with big album numbers and hits bigger than any Future song, plus he's an actual lyricism that trumps them all, I'd say Future's probably in third.
activechile Calling Drake top tier? L.
Catalyst that's a stretch
CJ GoogleMail I just can't find one thing that future is talented at in terms of raps.
Future IS A TOP TIER ARTIST. I dont care what you categorize him rap or not. Future is TOP TIER
Mohammed Kaki second tier
In this era of course, but lets not act like he could hang with Biggie, Pac, Jay, etc in that era. He would only be able to do their hooks.
No he's not
Catalyst That's an opinion
W
I've been a Future fan for a while now and I never considered him a top tier rap artist as in RAP , not TRAP, even though I still think thats debatable .. but after Future (the album) , Future is definitely a top tier rap artist, and we got Hendrix a week later.. he doesn't get enough credit for his lyrics, while not prodigal lyricist, his lyrics are witty and well though of . His albums/mixtapes are also extremely well put together. Don't discredit it just cuz its trap , or 'mumble rap' as Akademiks likes to put it.. To be honest trap artists have been putting out some of the best, more forward thinking and hit packed projects recently..
joe budden talking the truth... future is not legend nor top tier. these young ones think so plewse.
Everyone knew the answer before they even clicked on the video
jason nguyen we all thought Yes
SaiFYEEZY no
he is today
I understood joe's point completely. This era is entirely based on melodic-vibe type music, a style established by kid cudi and kanye with 808's and heartbreak
ak calling young thug 'future's bastard son' was hilarious lmaoo
Future is the Genesis of this generation of music. They also forget he can write pop songs as well. And for mumble rap people only hate what they can't understand!
So people did not watch the video
exactly...
Joe real as fuck in this, i didn't know that about Lyor
Right. I'm trying to see what people think about Budden's opinion but niggas is only answering the main question and leaving.
Future got five number one albums in a row but he's not Top Tier??? Yeah ok...
Great artists don't always sell.
Taylor swift has mad hits and big albums, she better then radiohead? In all art, the trash sells and sometimes the best art dont, same with movies.
The industry purposely dumbed down art and music.m
The point is that's why it's hard to call most rappers today 'too tier' when it seems like rap is getting simpler. When in reality these guys have a lot of talent.
Akademiks doesn't know anything, he's embarrassing himself.
Doupe Stuff he actually speaks for the average person. who happen to be idiots. but I agree with you lol
Yeah, he always gets punked out like a lil' bitch by just about everybody on the show! LMFAO! Even Soulja Boy's bitch ass punked him out! Now that's sad!
future has been a top tier artist when ALLL THE TOP TIER ARTISTS ARE STEALING FUTURES SHIT
13:10 Budden makes a excellent point.
The only reason Future could put out albums quick is cause he's a powerhouse. He's definitely top tier. He has bars that you guys sleep on, within his mixtapes. Y'all judge rappers without even knowing their work.
Future killed Drake on digital dash 😴
That jimmy graham analogy 🔥🔥🔥🔥
future is absolutely in the top tier of rap . it’s not a debate
Future is top tier in what he does. If he tries to do something else I guarantee he will fail.
most artist would fail trying to do something they can't.. 😂😂
Yoe Get Doe lol very true but if you think about it, it begins to be a little sad. This man has no real rapping talent. So if he ever tried to come out with a real rap album...it would be like watching your childhood home burn to the ground.
UCHIHA JORDAN. no look at smoke breake no mumble
" I don't care what you say, this is not up for debate! " lmao
😂😂😂Joe needs to relax...
if future is in the top tier of rap then i'm a cat
muzza307 lmao still on top
This is two different generations having a debate
Id say future is in the top tier as the representative of mumble rap. Hes not a good storyteller or anything but still has great songs and you gotta respect that
23isthegoat absolutely 💯
23isthegoat you obviously haven't listen to Future. Go listen to his three fire mixtapes.
I lost it when joe said "he's been pointy shoes all his life" lmaoooo
Buddens dropped knowledge on this one
Enjoying these debates! I want nothing but success for y'all. Trifecta.
Why is this even a discussion ???
King Ali cause it will get views
@12:48 Jeez lmao is he always like that
King Ali he's popular but we all know his music isn't "good." It's fun and trendy but at the end of the day, we all know it won't stand the test of time.
Yeah he's the best at mumble rap, but mumble rap is trash.
@@wm_9640 Fucking clown, DS2 one of the best aged albums of 2010's already.
I only watch this for Joe Budden.
future is the goat
West 69 ru high nigga?
codeine crazy
He’s ass
5 years after this video, future still the goat
Damn, Akademiks chubby AF
Mr. Majani My son so thick 🤤
RAP. Rhythm and Poetry. Melody has a huge impact on hiphop. Does all RAP songs have melody, but it definitely has a important presence
Joe makes a valid point
Joey need to create a book about the musical industry so these artists could know about these pitfalls and shenanigans in music. Just saying
Future is amazing future is great
Futures work ethic speaks for itself man is a goat in my eyes and my type of hip hop is Griselda all day although I can still acknowledge anyone who offers and feeds to the culture in general, I personally fw future I think he’s great but aside from my bias I think he’s a top tier artist/goat regardless of opinion his track record speaks for itself
Jump out the new whip, like I'm a slave master!
This nigga was so chill at the begging....
Future top tier? I want whatever yall smoking over there at Complex must be some good shit.
SevenRayedGod he's top tier bro .. hottest artist in the rap game
+Greg Mcculloh stop making jokes
Denver January he got more plaques than today's popular artist.. Cole , Kendrick , Big Sean etc etc
Greg Mcculloh as mentioned in the video future is top tier SUCCESS in hip hop but that man belongs at the bottom when it comes to skill and actual ability to rap
Gaurav Karkhanis whats this skill you speak of? future has skill and ability, not everyone can have number 1 albums not everyone can have multiple platinum records not everyone can ride beats, not everyone can kill hooks, not everyone can be one of the most successful artist in rap, hes top tier wether you like it or not and he does have skill that not everyone has
Shout out to Joe for keepin it a buck not afraid to state opinions
Joe is right Kendrick is melodic and has been since forever. Cole has been super melodic since Forest Hill Drive.
Five years later. Yes he is
YALL HAVE SLAVE MINDSETS . honestly , just because something isnt deep to a general thinker doesnt mean that his millions of fans dont somehow resignate with him . yall have to understand that rap is too big for itself i stg . lemme break some shit down for yall , Kanye West created the first New Wave album with 808's & Heartbreak , Future used trap to elevate New Wave to another level with Monster , Beast Mode & 56 Nights , then Uzi , Carti , Rich , Dex & kinda Yachty created what we listen to now which is Rock Wave// Alternative Punk Trap . the older guys are holding onto what rap was before Kanye came in the game & Rap will never die but it aint whats poppin no more . times change , things change with it , & Future is DEFINITELY a top-tier artist .
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really ? that's how you respond to a disection of that calliber ? lol & you still type L as a response to anythin ? smh your culture card is revoked trollface , take many seats .
PhantomDragon Gibson I like how you made up a bunch of bullshit labels and thought it was insightful. Future is the definition of generic. NO GROWTH. He has been making the same song over and over and over...
Change is not better than evolution, these guys change the general culture but do nothing to evolve it.
I just exploded in laughter when I read the title
Why is everybody so goddamn aggressive in this shit
its mostly joe
They're like that in the vlogs too. I feel like all 3 of them hate each other.
it's not aggressive too me I grew up with heated debates when in came to hip hop in barbershop, school, basketball courts tho regular hip hop heads passion
Future is a top tier rapper. Is he the most lyrical, or socially conscious; NO, obviously. But he is consistent on dropping hiphop records. Future is great at dropping dope hooks and choruses
But they're trash hooks
u cant understand us cuz u too soft
Stick Talk
"I don't care what you say! This is not up for debate."
Joe Budden looks like a raspberry
James Lil Wayne's the goat James hawkins nigga u everywhere. U needa get off youtube and get a life 😂
Lil wayne is the reason for all these mumble rappers
Hale Yeah Bruh im 16 and I have as much of a life as I could possibly have atm. And btw I see you everywhere too ffs.
Denver January Hes also the reason for rappers like Kdot. "I shit these rappers out and sometimes I forget to flush them" Dont blame Wayne for other rappers incompetence and talent.
+James Lil Wayne's the goat James hawkins kdot style seems more inspired by em than it does lil wayne...that asshole just makes weed and dick music...
Music is fashion and fashion is freedom.
Did he really just say Kendrick isn't melodic?
"Buzzin. Radar is buzzin. Yah yah, yah yah, yah yah, yah yah, yah yah"
10:48 that awkward moment when you start to realize Joe Budden's definition of Hip Hop is off. Hip Hop is the culture, rap is a function of the culture and some rappers are able to rap with a melody. Melody has always been his weakness as a rapper
I misread the title as "is future a top tier struggle rapper?" And got super heated
Joe So on point 🔥🔥🔥👏🏾👏🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Did any of these people with the hate comments actually watch the entire video?
If u talking career wise than hell yes he has a better career than almost all the artist out but the ability to rap hell to the no. When it comes to rap ability Kendrick and j cole is at the top
Jeremie Sanders There both over rated.
Lil Wayne and Montana of 300 are best lyricists alive. That shit is fact bruh fr!
Jeremie Sanders yes to rap lyrical kendrick but melody future
King Los ,Blackthought, Andre 3K , Nas, are at the top of rappin ability, oh and Joe Buddens too for that matter, shyyyyyyyt Em, royce, cyhi , etc etc these niggas can just strait the fuck up RAP!
Jeremie Sanders j cole is average rapper, he's not that good. Also top lyricist will be Nas, MF DOOM, Rakim, Biggie, Wu tang clan, Big L etc.
Future is NOW a legend in hip hop for what he has accomplished in the game... PERIOD. And I DON'T EVEN LIKE HIS MUSIC!!!... But, Trap is still hip-hop. And this brother has excelled to unreal levels in Trap/HipHop.
His records are bangers.
The content lacks substance.
He is the undisputed king of turnup music.
And that's ok.
Trash
Future Is Top Tier, I've never seen An Artist throw a bunch of projects out and Sell Alot,
future's songs are just as good as kendrick's
Mllr hr here's the biggest L, take it and rethink what you just said.
the Jimmy graham analogy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maaaaaaane that was tough
future's litt bro
Aldane Richards Future bows down to Young Thug💯
Richwan kiddo naw young thug is future son
Branden Badass no
Richwan kiddo future is wack
Arlando Frazier no
that Jimmy Graham Being TE but playing WR most the time is a real smart comparison
Bro is this the same Joe Budden that ran after that car? He seems so calm.
ok nvm said it too soon
give this nigga a xan.
That’s the problem with you lil niggas, just want to throw pills at all your problems
Joe is right about all main stream artist being melodic and it not being up for debate. It's actually something I just recently realized upon beginning to study main stream again. Realizing my stuff isn't melodic. At all, Thus, Just being lyrical and having strong word play just isn't enough. Any artist whose ever been big was melodic. Even if they had strong word play. Its what I believe is really about to turn my whole game around and begin to get me noticed. On my page,
TH-cam . Com > "Search" > Q-Cell Entertainment > Playlist > "2016 / 2017 Singles" > "Losing My Mind" ....
Is a song I recently started applying concept and one of the few songs I did 100% Everything for. If you do check it out. Please look past singing. I literally did it as a reference for this female I know to follow and sing the lyrics for me. She just never got around to it. Took me a year to post XD I suck at singing but, I felt it needed to be heard.
If anyone out there would care to. I would really appreciate any and all Non Hateful Feed Back lmao nah, Ill take the hateful shit if its all I can get and it's honest!
HMU on InstaGram @QCellEnt
Much Love!
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FUTURE THE GOAT!!!
SLIM JESUS*
xXx Production u must be a white guy
StealthyTeddy u just mad that Slim Jesus got more bars than future
xXx Production hell no
StealthyTeddy facts
Can y'all answer these questions for my school survey ?
Kendrick or drake ?
1. What do you like about that artist
2.when do you usually listen to them
3. What mood do they put you in ?
4. Who would win in a rap battle ?
what does Budden mean by melodic. hip pop is music and music has melodies so what is Budden talking bout
Daniel Atumisi the only thing that was melodic in real hip hop was the chorus .. now rappers verses be melodic too .. no bars .. no metaphors .. etc
TBH, Future is a not in the top tier of rap overall but is definitely in the upper-mid class
Process on how to get a Tune Blown up in 2k17
Future: Ay Metro I need to Get them Milis
Metro: Snm *Puts some Flute and Shit*
Future: Ay Metro Lemme Moan like a bitch while Im high off Molly and Percocets
Instagram / Twitter: Ay you man they got flutes and shit lets make hella memes out of dis
And you Niggas say he a Top tier rapper, why you lying for bruddas
what Budden said is accurate, marketing plays a huge role in public opinion, it alters people preferences and turns something that was once acceptable into something that is not appreciated. these corporates are pimps of another kind
Should I be upset with future for dropping 2 albums but only have 1 hit besides Draco that was short lived
mask off draco super trapper scrape groovy
Joe burden mentioning he's from a different era is like Stephen a smith mentioning KD can pull up from 30 in every conversation. WE DONT CARE!
Future has been one of the best artists for the past 10 years smh
He’s horrible