@@Interference22 please, keep that for private holodeck sessions... some deranged pseudo feminist or male allied/traitor (some idiot trying to get lucky) could ask for that in discovery or Picard...
the zipper in the back for the next gen second uniform always bugged me. How would that be practical. Imagine getting up and having wear that everyday. Number one, be a dear and zip me up.
Gene Roddenberry is adamant that zippers don't exist in the 24th century. Any closure that looks like a zipper and even operates exactly like a zipper (like Beverly's in The Naked Now) is clearly some kind of future tech we don't understand.
Sr. Patrick Stewart talked about the uniforms in a recent interview for Picard. He talked about the singlet uniforms being so tight that they hurt the actors backs. This was a major concern for the studio. Presumably because they were worried about guild law suits. They changed the uniforms to the 2 part ones to address this.
I remember reading somewhere many years ago that one of the reasons why they got rid of the jumpsuit uniform from season 1-2 was that Patrick Stewart was having lower-back issues from wearing the jumpsuit.
Different explanations and reasons were given to (and have been repeated by) different sources. But the offensive smell is something they almost all agree on. Remember that this is the show which had cat poop on the bridge set carpets - that nobody dealt with for a couple _years_ - so I'm sure those clammy clingy polyester uniforms were carefully cleaned/disinfected after every use and I'm sure they were always carefully stored in separate sealed containers.
The upside is they really nailed the First Contact uniforms, and they worked well on DS9. The 'mess dress' versions seen in insurrection were also very well done.
Yeah, since the VOY crew wore the early DS9 uniforms throughout due to being stranded in the Delta Quadrant, I was rather glad when the DS9 crew changed to the FC uniforms. Sometimes when watching certain DS9 scenes after VOY premiered and before the uniform change, I'd forget for a moment which show I was watching😄
I never noticed Worf's nose changing because I was distracted by his turtle (you know what I mean) changing so drastically - and no-one ever said anything. At least Crusher should have noticed; "Worf! What the hell happened to your head?"
I learned about the unused Generations uniforms a couple years ago. My favorite are the gray/heather late DS9 and TNG film era uniforms used in First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis. Less colorful and more "uniform" uniforms are more military looking.
Those and the TNG uniforms used later in the show were the franchise's best uniforms. Special mention to the TOS movie uniforms (with the exception of the first film) for being the closest the franchise has ever gotten to what a real life navy uniform might look like.
@@kennethmiller2333 The First Contact uniforms are my favorite. They struck a great balance between the traditional Star Trek tri-color scheme and a uniform look. Enterprise did that well too.
No no, the winner of the Outstanding Star Trek Bit Part Actor in Generations is that one guy on the bridge who does a fist pump after watching the Star Trek VI Bird of Prey stock footage.
Yeah, though I only liked the red TOS movie uniforms when they didn't have them open. Like how Kirk had his open when Spock died in Wrath of Khan. Which is why I always felt Spock stood out the best in that uniform as he never once had his open (not counting behind the scenes footage or photos that is lol)
I think one reason why they went with the DS9 uniforms was to keep up with continuity. Voyager premiered during season 3 of DS9 and also had the same uniforms, so it wouldn't make sense for the Enterprise crew to suddenly have a different uniform from the rest of Starfleet. Also, from a production standpoint, having a few DS9 uniforms probably saved on costume budget, but from an in-universe perspective it showed that Starfleet was still in the process of making the switch-over when the Nexus event occurred, and senior officers clearly had priority when it came to getting the new design, which I think is pretty realistic.
Whoever stole that first prop did us all a favor then. I always thought that the original cranial ridge prop looked like a bad cosplay design for a Fallout 3 super mutant. The later version was magnitudes better.
The DS9 uniforms looked better on people, IMO. The season 3+ TNG uniform looked fine on paper but less good on actors. Honestly, I really liked Picards jacket uniform. Kind if wish that was more standard.
I suspect the producers wanted each show/movie to have its own distinctive look...the uniforms are one part of that. Gen 2 TNG uniforms were best, followed by Gen2 DS9 unis, IMO.
The cynic in me says it must be for toy and merch sales. I get wanting each show or the film series to have a distinct look but in-universe it’s ridiculous how often Starfleet changes uniforms.
@@CharlesP2009 Agreed, definitely for merch. Personally, I think the DS9 uniforms should've been distinct on their own, since they were on a space station... most of the time anyway.
@@bojankotur4613 The only ones that didn't look like awkward pajamas were the red TOS movie ones. Everything uniform is pajamas, from TOS to ENT. TNG even makes a joke about it in Time's Arrow. I thought ENT's formal-pajamas were the worst; buuut, seeing these make them second worst. ENT's regular ones somewhat made sense being engineer's overalls but adding a freaking formal suit collar and tie?
I remember some Klingons ragging on Star Fleet uniforms - yelling, "take off that Child's Uniform!!!!" Don't recall the episode - but it was funny. But still better than colored T-Shirts and black pants.
The women still had jumpsuits because they couldn't get the 2 piece right for them. Thy figured it out later for voyager. There is an interview with blackman where he talks about it.
I noticed Picard did his maneuver of pulling down the top part of his uniform when standing up from a seated position for both his one and two piece versions of the uniforms in the TNG series run.
Something about Geordi's uniform always bugged me, but my young self couldn't place why. Then I completely forgot about it. Then you show the exact scene. Now I remember that it bugged me, and now I know why. Nice one.
Frake's uniform also fits him really badly. Brooks and him obviously have different shapes across the torso as it looks way to big on Frakes even though he is the taller one.
Levar Burton was wearing Colm Meaney's uniform from DS9, and Burton was a bit thinner than Meaney. Plus I think Meaney is just barely taller, so the uniform didn't fit well. Patric Stewart was the only one of the male cast members that didn't wear someones elses uniform, plus his was a two part uniform, instead of the jumpsuit everyone else wore.
@@My-Name-Isnt-Important Colm Meaney is four inches taller than Levar Burton -- 5'11" to 5'7", as noted by the video -- more than "just barely", I'd say. It's astonishing that the costume department didn't notice the over-long cuffs and hem them -- maybe the fabric (wool gabardine) was too stiff to roll up into the sleeve? I suppose we'll have to posit that the ship's uniform-replication software was glitching that day.
@@phillipthorne8363 They were borrowing the uniforms from DS9. So after filming ended they had to go back. I guess Paramount saw it as an easy fix, just use existing uniforms, even if they didn't fit properly.
Say what you will because of its many, many, flaws, Generations was beautifully filmed and still serves to be one of the finest examples of Star Trek eye candy.
The movies themes are also well done. Plus, it's the only movie with the D. And the only one with Kirk and Picard. I mean, damn! What's not to love about it?
The main flaws are to do with the Nexus - how does Picard get out of the Nexus, and why doesn't he go back earlier in time? Also, the death of Kirk is a bit unsatisfactory (though better than the original version they shot). I think they could have fixed the movie by having Spock in the Guinan part, and in the Nexus with Kirk.
The Enterprise-D was radically changed in Generations. - Redesigned sets - Stellar cartography - Night lighting - Upgraded computer sounds - New combadge - Different uniforms - Loads of extras - Data's emotion chip - Even the ship looked more detailed in flybys It made no sense. No revamp would be that drastic within such a short space of time. Also, those black Starfleet uniforms were meant for deep space assignments (I thought), hence the DS9 crew had been using them years before they were introduced to the Federation flagship. The DS9 crew also reverted back to the TNG uniform whenever they visited Earth and in the episode Visitor, Captain Nog was wearing a TNG uniform, something like 20 years into the future.
I really like that design, but as a cosplayer, fabric selection is key. Although it looked like fleece at first look (like pajamas) which would actually work well since it has a bit of stretch and is slightly more resistant to water. That being said, new innovations in fabric are happening all the time and it wouldn't surprise me if some of the better materials just weren't around then.
I guess in the future of 'All Good Things' there must've been some latitude in uniforms ( for flag officers, at least) as Riker was wearing what would be, by then, a very dated uniform. Or was it one of Q's little digs, as he created that future and maybe wanted to make Riker look like an old relic?
Admittedly, I always wanted to see the TNG cast in the red, double-breasted uniforms that Kirk & Co. wore in their films. I think those will always be my favorite outfits.
The S1 uniforms actually looked really good, but it was obvious why they changed them. Every time anyone went to sit down you'd always watch them pull the waist to stop it riding up. Picard and Riker did it in unison almost every episode...
The design of the Generations uniform was very good. Like you theorise, if they'd had an entire season to play around with it, I'm sure it could have worked
Was watching the DS9 episode where they first use the defiant cloak. The actor who portrayed Seska in Voyager, was the Romulan officer in charge if the cloak, in DS9.
The designs are all right. But the collars look so off, but It’s really cool to see what might have been. Do more awards for bit part actors, please. That was so great.
I always liked the gray one they used in Star Trek First Contact and the uniform in Star Trek Enterprise with the NX-01. The blue one in Enterprise just made more sense. It was practical. I felt the other uniforms where way too flimsy. When going on an away mission most of the uniforms where ridiculous. If they got in a scrape or had to do something strenuous which would easily happen on an away mission the uniforms would shred.
7:51 those are darts in the armpits, and one of the first weird things I noticed when re-watching recently. And overall this is really interesting - I had assumed, from the random mixing of TNG and DS9 designs in the film, that the costume budget had been tiny and stretched until it broke. To now find out that there was supposed to be a whole new set of costumes - and, moreover, costumes that you could give to the principle cast while leaving the extras in the old ones without it really showing - that never got off the ground makes so much more sense. Nothing explains why Picard went back to his old uniform for the last scene on the crashed bridge, though. It's like they were trying to point out the discrepancy. And were they filming concurrently with DS9? Why couldn't they temporarily tack Meany's sleeves up a couple of inches for Burton?
That’s why the changes the uniforms during season 3! I liked the look with the darts down the chests however I see what you mean on the puckering when they sat down.
I should mention that Michael Mack also played Romulan Commander Sirol in the TNG episode "The Pegasus". One of the best episodes of the show ever made. Thanks Junkball, this has been a most pleasant conversation.
Wow. That's really amazing. I never noticed that about Worf's nose before. Or his forehead. Wow. But I definitely noticed the uniform difference. Those first uniforms were _terrible._ Including those male minidresses.
I'm glad that the mix of TNG and ST2 that Laforge was wearing is returning in a way for Lower Decks. I always found the design interesting but thought it could use some refinement.
I love Star Trek so much and Starfleet changing uniforms even more. I had this experience that made me feel like I was some sort off Star Trek show. When I visited my home country back in August after 6 years of being away I was surprised to see 6 different uniforms in the public education system of my country. 2 years prior to my visit the government established 5 different uniforms that were going to be used in the different regions of my country but the government failed to educate the children in which one was the correct one according to the region the lived that’s why they ended up with a classroom of people wearing red polo-shirts, blue polo-shirts, green, purple, yellow and the prior blue button shirt that was used before. All the 5 uniforms consists of a white collar and short sleeves while the prior one was like a normal short-sleeve button shirt but all blue.
I had always heard it was a fear on how the TNG uniforms would look on screen (HD essentially), so that's why new uniforms were made. Wearing DS9 uniforms in Generations and Voyager always bothered me.
I was so glad they ditched the caped crusader looking uniforms of the first two years. The third year, only the cast & guest stars had the new look, then they took off with it the next year. The early ones had that line under the collar and the pips nearby, creating the look of Batman from the sides.
Dear Junkball Media. I love your channel-and I’ve always loved these uniforms. Might have to purchase the LaForge Generations action figure I’ve been wanting for 20 years!
As much as using TNG and DS9 uniforms in Generations was annoying and looked awful (like the ill fit of Frakes wearing Avery Brooks’ uniform) it was preferable to those unused uniforms. Even the grandad high waistlines of the All Good Things/Visitor/Endgame future uniforms looked better, probably because they were always wore by older versions of the regular characters. The new commbadge that would be used until the end of Voyager is my favourite though. The bit about Burton and Meany made me laugh. The uniform was made to fit Meany, but he nearly always wore it with the sleeves rolled up. Burton puts it on for like one scene and he wears it sleeves down so it’s obvious it’s too big! Roll the sleeves back up man! I assume that McFadden and Sirtis never wore a DS9 uniform was because neither of them were anywhere close to the same shape as Terry Farrell... Admiral Janeway’s uniform was meant to be from the pre-TNG era (2350s, so the no collar fits with the TNG season 1 uniforms. Just ignore the 2370s commbadge.... I’m glad they didn’t do any first contacts in Generations. Imagine bringing important potential Federation members up to the ship and everyone is wearing random uniforms. You’d think Starfleet would want some uniformity in their uniforms, at least on their flagship. It was understandable on other occasions, like starships visiting DS9. That would never would have happened if Jellico was in command!!
Actually ill fitting and multiple Uniforms are not uncommon, even in real world military's. I remember many receiving uniforms that didn't exactly fit properly, I also remember when the Canadian military switched from the olive drabs to the cadpat. Most of the time what happened was that once the olive drabs wore out, they were issued cadpat. so you had some in cadpat and some in Olive drab. Topper of that is this was also the time when they switch all the elements over to one uniform, for a while you had a real hodgepodge of uniforms. This was done again when they switched from the old gear to the moderately water proof gortex.
First, I absolutely love your work. Your videos are some of the most entertaining, informative on the TH-cams! Next - a technicality... Worf DID wear a DS9-style uniform in Generations...in a deleted scene! Remember toward the end, when we see a shuttle about to land to pick Picard up? Well, in a filmed deleted scene, Geordi and Worf actually disembark the shuttle to talk to the captain before picking him up...and yup...Worf was in the alternate uniform!!! Wild, isn't it?! Keep up the GREAT content!!!
Why not....just use the same TV show Uniforms for the first movie? I mean the whole idea of a Uniform is for everyone to be well....uniform. Why are they walking around with different versions of the uniform on the same ship. That's even more confusing.
Small details that made me realize I missed some changes, like Worf’s nose. I only vaguely remember noticing the forehead area change once. But I guess, they changed minor changes often😅. I might have noticed the eye brows, but not sure. The dropped uniforms were a relief. I prefer the ones than ended up onscreen better. Even with the minor fitting issues.
Man, this gave me a lot to think about. I made my own design of a starfleet uniform and it honestly looks amazing, but now I wonder how possible it would be to translate the design on paper into a functional design to be worn as a cosplay. Excelent video and thanks for the ideas to improve my designs :D
The one thing I didn't quite understand about Generations is why half the crew had the newer (DS9) style uniforms, while others had the older style uniforms. It doesn't seem like there was a specific reason for this, except for possibly while PIcard was on his "away" mission on Veridian III and while La Forge was being interrogated by Soren, the rest of the crew got new uniforms from starfleet. I'm sure it was intention in some way and was meant perhaps to mean a transition from the old ST TNG to the newer series (DS9). Even in a few of the DS9 eposides we can see O'Brien and Worf wearing the older uniform styles (black shoulder/collar) especially during the seasons where the two shows overlapped.
I NEVER understood why the crew would wear TNG uniforms, then change. Apparently both Marina Sirtis and Gates McFadden did not transisiton to the 'DS9sies' as Gates thought it looked ugly and Sirtis just refused to wear hers. My BIGGEST gripe with the seasons 3 - 7/Generations uniforms were the cheaper one piece versions with the zip down the centre for the extras, they were saving money yes, but it did cheapen the production somewhat!
Truly fascinating in a way I was not expecting. Tad specific on the minutiae, but I guess that's the point of vid (& makes me feel I missed so many details all the times I rewatched the series). Keep the work up mate!
And now, according to some people, some variation of this version (apparently more closer to the toys) of the uniforms are now used on Star Trek Lower Decks. Whether you accept it o not, that's up to you.
The introduction to Junkball Transmission is so pleasing! I am glad they ditched the redesign to retain the Picard Maneuver. Micheal Mack!!! Cheers to you! Thanks for another amazing video!
I was completely unaware of this, what an interesting surprise. I always assumed the mess of Generations unforms was just representing a sort of transitional period between TNG and DS9/Voyager, which always felt like a strange thing to do, now it all makes much more sense. BTW, judging by this video you've been misreading Colm as Colin this whole time?! Haha.
Another great video. You can tell there is a lot of research in your videos and that you put a lot of research and effort behind theme. Great job you indeed have the way best videos. May you continue to Live Long and Prosper.
STG should have had those scrapped uniforms. They looked good. But besides being budgeted, it makes sense why some of the cast wore the DS9 uniforms as it enforces the purpose of them as they where base /station suits. Voyager had no purpose in wearing them as they where Starship operation and should have stuck with the TNG or the purposed Generations suits. Then again, if the Generations where used would we get the First Contact ones.
@@gmanwolf359 No one opened the Playmates Star Trek figures. There was a antique mall near where my dad lives that still had the figures for like $5 or $6...about original retail...25 years later!
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Yes, sadly the series never addressed Worf’s addiction to plastic surgery.
One thing that always bothered me about Worf: where are his damn ears? Does he even have ears?
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@Dangerosu OMGosh! I never noticed!! Gotta check it out now on Netflix!
People should stop making fun of Worf's addiction to cosmetic surgery.
He has a rare skin disease, y'know.
@@pwnmeisterage heee heeeee
If I had a dollar for ever pixel in that Geordi Screencap, I'd have 25 cents.
Arthezius 😂😂👍🏻
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Last time I was this early a male officer was wearing a minidress uniform.
IT IS CALLED A SKANT AND IT IS VERY MANLY.
Last time I was this early, Data was whistling Pop Goes the Weasel
@@Interference22 please, keep that for private holodeck sessions... some deranged pseudo feminist or male allied/traitor (some idiot trying to get lucky) could ask for that in discovery or Picard...
@@juliorocatagliatta4561 incel detected, fuck off loser
Rich O r/whiteknight. Good luck trying to get some
the zipper in the back for the next gen second uniform always bugged me. How would that be practical. Imagine getting up and having wear that everyday. Number one, be a dear and zip me up.
Gene Roddenberry is adamant that zippers don't exist in the 24th century. Any closure that looks like a zipper and even operates exactly like a zipper (like Beverly's in The Naked Now) is clearly some kind of future tech we don't understand.
And going to the rest room...or people don't do that in the future. There's a zero waste policy.
@@scockery Precision teleporters... And where do you think the replicators get the matter-energy for the next meal?
@@RealLuckless well in Enterprise its revealed that human waste was used for anything.
"Number one, be a dear and zip me up." I read that in Picard's voice.
Sr. Patrick Stewart talked about the uniforms in a recent interview for Picard. He talked about the singlet uniforms being so tight that they hurt the actors backs. This was a major concern for the studio. Presumably because they were worried about guild law suits. They changed the uniforms to the 2 part ones to address this.
These look much better on paper than when materialised. Which is kind of fitting that they are being adapted into the New Lower Decks animated show
I remember reading somewhere many years ago that one of the reasons why they got rid of the jumpsuit uniform from season 1-2 was that Patrick Stewart was having lower-back issues from wearing the jumpsuit.
From everything I heard none of the actors liked them and they were also high maintenance for the costume department.
Different explanations and reasons were given to (and have been repeated by) different sources.
But the offensive smell is something they almost all agree on.
Remember that this is the show which had cat poop on the bridge set carpets - that nobody dealt with for a couple _years_ - so I'm sure those clammy clingy polyester uniforms were carefully cleaned/disinfected after every use and I'm sure they were always carefully stored in separate sealed containers.
The upside is they really nailed the First Contact uniforms, and they worked well on DS9. The 'mess dress' versions seen in insurrection were also very well done.
Yeah, since the VOY crew wore the early DS9 uniforms throughout due to being stranded in the Delta Quadrant, I was rather glad when the DS9 crew changed to the FC uniforms. Sometimes when watching certain DS9 scenes after VOY premiered and before the uniform change, I'd forget for a moment which show I was watching😄
I never noticed Worf's nose changing because I was distracted by his turtle (you know what I mean) changing so drastically - and no-one ever said anything. At least Crusher should have noticed; "Worf! What the hell happened to your head?"
I learned about the unused Generations uniforms a couple years ago. My favorite are the gray/heather late DS9 and TNG film era uniforms used in First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis. Less colorful and more "uniform" uniforms are more military looking.
Those and the TNG uniforms used later in the show were the franchise's best uniforms. Special mention to the TOS movie uniforms (with the exception of the first film) for being the closest the franchise has ever gotten to what a real life navy uniform might look like.
@@angryretailbanker5103 Agreed. I love the Wrath of Khan movie era uniforms. What do you think of Discovery's new Season 4 uniforms?
@@undeadknight01 I’ve never actually seen Discovery. I’ve seen clips of it and just didn’t like what I saw. So I don’t know how these uniforms look.
Dunno... may be more uniform, but I like the colors used in most variants - reminds me of the colors used in flight deck jerseys (aka, Skittles).
@@kennethmiller2333 The First Contact uniforms are my favorite. They struck a great balance between the traditional Star Trek tri-color scheme and a uniform look. Enterprise did that well too.
No no, the winner of the Outstanding Star Trek Bit Part Actor in Generations is that one guy on the bridge who does a fist pump after watching the Star Trek VI Bird of Prey stock footage.
No. It's Lt Junior Jae. Best recurring bit player in TNG.
It's definitely Engineer Russell of TNG
Idk guys, that one helmsman who dies at the Conn in tng season 2 to that vacuum entity gave, I think, oscar worthy acting
Different movie, but bit part actor award should be the helms woman who gave Riker the “f*ck me now” look in Insurrection.
This is exactly the sort of ultra-nerd content I love this channel for
I always wondered why the Data action figure I got as a kid had uniform I never saw him wear... The more you know.
The red TOS movie uniforms were still the best-looking uniform they ever had. They were just classy, and always a pleasure to look at.
If they used that uniform, but with the collor scheme of TNG, I would be perfect.
@Felipe Risseto I highly doubt that you will be perfect. Just a feeling I have.
I quite enjoyed the dress uniforms from the TNG movies
Yeah, though I only liked the red TOS movie uniforms when they didn't have them open. Like how Kirk had his open when Spock died in Wrath of Khan. Which is why I always felt Spock stood out the best in that uniform as he never once had his open (not counting behind the scenes footage or photos that is lol)
I would give them black or white tops with the undershirt matching their division color.
I think one reason why they went with the DS9 uniforms was to keep up with continuity. Voyager premiered during season 3 of DS9 and also had the same uniforms, so it wouldn't make sense for the Enterprise crew to suddenly have a different uniform from the rest of Starfleet. Also, from a production standpoint, having a few DS9 uniforms probably saved on costume budget, but from an in-universe perspective it showed that Starfleet was still in the process of making the switch-over when the Nexus event occurred, and senior officers clearly had priority when it came to getting the new design, which I think is pretty realistic.
The FIRST CONTACT uniforms (which moved to DS9) are easily my favorite Berman-era uniform. So I'm glad these uniforms didn't work out.
3:30 about Worf's nose changing, someone stole the cranial ridges prop so they made a completely new design.
that's hilarious. Had they already scrapped the mould?
Whoever stole that first prop did us all a favor then. I always thought that the original cranial ridge prop looked like a bad cosplay design for a Fallout 3 super mutant. The later version was magnitudes better.
Why did they feel the need to change uniforms at all? The later season uniforms looked great to me, I actually prefer them to the DS9 uniforms.
The DS9 uniforms looked better on people, IMO. The season 3+ TNG uniform looked fine on paper but less good on actors.
Honestly, I really liked Picards jacket uniform. Kind if wish that was more standard.
for merch.... people need mo monnies!
I suspect the producers wanted each show/movie to have its own distinctive look...the uniforms are one part of that.
Gen 2 TNG uniforms were best, followed by Gen2 DS9 unis, IMO.
The cynic in me says it must be for toy and merch sales. I get wanting each show or the film series to have a distinct look but in-universe it’s ridiculous how often Starfleet changes uniforms.
@@CharlesP2009 Agreed, definitely for merch. Personally, I think the DS9 uniforms should've been distinct on their own, since they were on a space station... most of the time anyway.
I need more junkball obscura !!! maybe a video on how the transporter room changed over time.
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I think something like a time lapse thing with spins music and him singing. That’d be cool
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Those uniforms are hideous looking. Thank god they switched.
Yeah! They look like kids pajamas.
@@bojankotur4613 The only ones that didn't look like awkward pajamas were the red TOS movie ones. Everything uniform is pajamas, from TOS to ENT. TNG even makes a joke about it in Time's Arrow. I thought ENT's formal-pajamas were the worst; buuut, seeing these make them second worst. ENT's regular ones somewhat made sense being engineer's overalls but adding a freaking formal suit collar and tie?
I remember some Klingons ragging on Star Fleet uniforms - yelling, "take off that Child's Uniform!!!!" Don't recall the episode - but it was funny. But still better than colored T-Shirts and black pants.
Yeah, they switch to another worthless timeline unrelated to canon.
@@impishrebel5969 Those red uniforms looked AMAZING. By far the best uniform they ever had. They were simply classy.
Oustanding work Michael Mack. I was seriously concerned about that Bird of Prey.
Michael Mack also voiced all the male Redguards in Elder Scrolls III and IV! Sadly he didn’t return for Skyrim.
What?!
The women still had jumpsuits because they couldn't get the 2 piece right for them. Thy figured it out later for voyager. There is an interview with blackman where he talks about it.
I noticed Picard did his maneuver of pulling down the top part of his uniform when standing up from a seated position for both his one and two piece versions of the uniforms in the TNG series run.
Season 3 with the collars will always be my favorite uniform.
Something about Geordi's uniform always bugged me, but my young self couldn't place why. Then I completely forgot about it. Then you show the exact scene. Now I remember that it bugged me, and now I know why. Nice one.
Frake's uniform also fits him really badly. Brooks and him obviously have different shapes across the torso as it looks way to big on Frakes even though he is the taller one.
It's like they put Georgi in the wash and he shrank.
Levar Burton was wearing Colm Meaney's uniform from DS9, and Burton was a bit thinner than Meaney. Plus I think Meaney is just barely taller, so the uniform didn't fit well. Patric Stewart was the only one of the male cast members that didn't wear someones elses uniform, plus his was a two part uniform, instead of the jumpsuit everyone else wore.
@@My-Name-Isnt-Important Colm Meaney is four inches taller than Levar Burton -- 5'11" to 5'7", as noted by the video -- more than "just barely", I'd say. It's astonishing that the costume department didn't notice the over-long cuffs and hem them -- maybe the fabric (wool gabardine) was too stiff to roll up into the sleeve? I suppose we'll have to posit that the ship's uniform-replication software was glitching that day.
@@phillipthorne8363 They were borrowing the uniforms from DS9. So after filming ended they had to go back. I guess Paramount saw it as an easy fix, just use existing uniforms, even if they didn't fit properly.
Nothing beats the Wrath of Khan uniforms from ST:II to VI. End Transmission.
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I would pay good money for one of the away team coats from WoK.
Those things looked awesome
Say what you will because of its many, many, flaws, Generations was beautifully filmed and still serves to be one of the finest examples of Star Trek eye candy.
Yeah in spite of it's many flaws, I still like it.
The movies themes are also well done. Plus, it's the only movie with the D. And the only one with Kirk and Picard. I mean, damn! What's not to love about it?
Its bits of decent eye candy do not make up for its shitty overall writing, logic and everything else.
The main flaws are to do with the Nexus - how does Picard get out of the Nexus, and why doesn't he go back earlier in time? Also, the death of Kirk is a bit unsatisfactory (though better than the original version they shot). I think they could have fixed the movie by having Spock in the Guinan part, and in the Nexus with Kirk.
I'll add that, yeah, the Enterprise interiors look beautiful, but some people hate that it's not bland and overlit like on the TV show.
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And, it doesn't make your mouth dry, cause you to pile on weight or make it impossible to have an orgasm. I just thought I would add that.
Cannabis works pretty good as well.
The starfleet uniforms for Picard are really similar to these, Admiral Clancy's uniform for example with the rank pips in the trapezoid on the chest.
As sad as I was to see the First Contact (my favorite design) uniforms go, the Picard ones look pretty good IMHO.
The Enterprise-D was radically changed in Generations.
- Redesigned sets
- Stellar cartography
- Night lighting
- Upgraded computer sounds
- New combadge
- Different uniforms
- Loads of extras
- Data's emotion chip
- Even the ship looked more detailed in flybys
It made no sense. No revamp would be that drastic within such a short space of time. Also, those black Starfleet uniforms were meant for deep space assignments (I thought), hence the DS9 crew had been using them years before they were introduced to the Federation flagship. The DS9 crew also reverted back to the TNG uniform whenever they visited Earth and in the episode Visitor, Captain Nog was wearing a TNG uniform, something like 20 years into the future.
I really like that design, but as a cosplayer, fabric selection is key. Although it looked like fleece at first look (like pajamas) which would actually work well since it has a bit of stretch and is slightly more resistant to water. That being said, new innovations in fabric are happening all the time and it wouldn't surprise me if some of the better materials just weren't around then.
the Mind Blowing Belt Cutaway alone deserves the sub
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I, for one, welcome our new Rodent Overlords.
I’m a simple man. I see an esoteric Junkball Star Trek video, I click.
and press the like button of course
"Didn't I wear coveralls for that film" LOL... classic.
07:48: "short horizontal seams". They're called "darts."
I guess in the future of 'All Good Things' there must've been some latitude in uniforms ( for flag officers, at least) as Riker was wearing what would be, by then, a very dated uniform. Or was it one of Q's little digs, as he created that future and maybe wanted to make Riker look like an old relic?
Admittedly, I always wanted to see the TNG cast in the red, double-breasted uniforms that Kirk & Co. wore in their films. I think those will always be my favorite outfits.
They were the first ones I ever remember seeing but to me they look a bit stuffy and not that futuristic; they must be wearing at least 3 layers!
I just want an 7 hour video of Junkball, Rich Evans and Mike Stoklasa talking about Star Trek
The S1 uniforms actually looked really good, but it was obvious why they changed them. Every time anyone went to sit down you'd always watch them pull the waist to stop it riding up. Picard and Riker did it in unison almost every episode...
The design of the Generations uniform was very good. Like you theorise, if they'd had an entire season to play around with it, I'm sure it could have worked
Was watching the DS9 episode where they first use the defiant cloak. The actor who portrayed Seska in Voyager, was the Romulan officer in charge if the cloak, in DS9.
While watching the Voyager season 7 finale I found that they used very similar clothes in the future scenes as the abandoned uniforms
My favorite Junkball videos are the obscure facts ones. It's like watching a video version of the notes and apocrypha section on Memory Alpha.
The designs are all right. But the collars look so off, but It’s really cool to see what might have been.
Do more awards for bit part actors, please. That was so great.
My pleasure. I love your breakdown videos. Listening to your production method is fascinating.
Nothing embarrassing about those jumpsuit uniforms. The 90's era Trek producers just happened to know their audience. Really, really well.
I always liked the gray one they used in Star Trek First Contact and the uniform in Star Trek Enterprise with the NX-01. The blue one in Enterprise just made more sense. It was practical. I felt the other uniforms where way too flimsy. When going on an away mission most of the uniforms where ridiculous. If they got in a scrape or had to do something strenuous which would easily happen on an away mission the uniforms would shred.
I just realized that the Lower Decks uniforms look extremely similar to these ones.
Don't have to worry about fit if your characters are 2D
I actually liked starfleet TNG cadet uniform.
My favourite dress uniform is the insurrection white ones
A fave of mine as well. They were crisp, and stylish.
7:51 those are darts in the armpits, and one of the first weird things I noticed when re-watching recently.
And overall this is really interesting - I had assumed, from the random mixing of TNG and DS9 designs in the film, that the costume budget had been tiny and stretched until it broke. To now find out that there was supposed to be a whole new set of costumes - and, moreover, costumes that you could give to the principle cast while leaving the extras in the old ones without it really showing - that never got off the ground makes so much more sense.
Nothing explains why Picard went back to his old uniform for the last scene on the crashed bridge, though. It's like they were trying to point out the discrepancy.
And were they filming concurrently with DS9? Why couldn't they temporarily tack Meany's sleeves up a couple of inches for Burton?
Ow. Darts in the armpits sounds hella painful.
@@CrazyBear65 hilarious.
I like it when you say stuff about Star Trek. Looking forward to your next video when you say more stuff about Star Trek.
Star Trek is certain full of stuff.
I feel it is at its best when having stuff in it
Your 80's style techno sound is worth a sub alone. Awesome stuff!
Nicely done! I always wondered about these uniforms. I still have a Data and Picard figures in their original packaging in these uniforms!
That’s why the changes the uniforms during season 3! I liked the look with the darts down the chests however I see what you mean on the puckering when they sat down.
Junkball can make entertaining videos about everything… Even Uniforms
Don't dare me... but thanks.
@@JunkBallMedia Oh I do Sir! I dare you to make a boring video!
@King Peppy exactly!
We need a dedicated video about the nose!
Apparently Patric was suffering from back issues caused by the jump suits in series 1 and 2 - he demanded a 2 part outfit
I laughed when you pointed out how laforge's didnt fit right, I mean, it's bad enough he never got the girl!
I should mention that Michael Mack also played Romulan Commander Sirol in the TNG episode "The Pegasus". One of the best episodes of the show ever made.
Thanks Junkball, this has been a most pleasant conversation.
Wow. That's really amazing. I never noticed that about Worf's nose before. Or his forehead. Wow. But I definitely noticed the uniform difference. Those first uniforms were _terrible._ Including those male minidresses.
I'm glad that the mix of TNG and ST2 that Laforge was wearing is returning in a way for Lower Decks. I always found the design interesting but thought it could use some refinement.
What are you referring to when you say ST2
@@jerrodmcdaniel2043 Wrath of Khan
@@Lanosrep OK gotcha thanks
Good to see more content from you! That uniform Riker had on looked like he was wearing a sack the entire movie
I love Star Trek so much and Starfleet changing uniforms even more.
I had this experience that made me feel like I was some sort off Star Trek show. When I visited my home country back in August after 6 years of being away I was surprised to see 6 different uniforms in the public education system of my country. 2 years prior to my visit the government established 5 different uniforms that were going to be used in the different regions of my country but the government failed to educate the children in which one was the correct one according to the region the lived that’s why they ended up with a classroom of people wearing red polo-shirts, blue polo-shirts, green, purple, yellow and the prior blue button shirt that was used before. All the 5 uniforms consists of a white collar and short sleeves while the prior one was like a normal short-sleeve button shirt but all blue.
"Lived down to your expectations..."
I love you, man XD
I had always heard it was a fear on how the TNG uniforms would look on screen (HD essentially), so that's why new uniforms were made. Wearing DS9 uniforms in Generations and Voyager always bothered me.
I was so glad they ditched the caped crusader looking uniforms of the first two years. The third year, only the cast & guest stars had the new look, then they took off with it the next year. The early ones had that line under the collar and the pips nearby, creating the look of Batman from the sides.
"Go back to hell" killed me lmao.
Dear Junkball Media. I love your channel-and I’ve always loved these uniforms. Might have to purchase the LaForge Generations action figure I’ve been wanting for 20 years!
As much as using TNG and DS9 uniforms in Generations was annoying and looked awful (like the ill fit of Frakes wearing Avery Brooks’ uniform) it was preferable to those unused uniforms. Even the grandad high waistlines of the All Good Things/Visitor/Endgame future uniforms looked better, probably because they were always wore by older versions of the regular characters. The new commbadge that would be used until the end of Voyager is my favourite though.
The bit about Burton and Meany made me laugh. The uniform was made to fit Meany, but he nearly always wore it with the sleeves rolled up. Burton puts it on for like one scene and he wears it sleeves down so it’s obvious it’s too big! Roll the sleeves back up man!
I assume that McFadden and Sirtis never wore a DS9 uniform was because neither of them were anywhere close to the same shape as Terry Farrell...
Admiral Janeway’s uniform was meant to be from the pre-TNG era (2350s, so the no collar fits with the TNG season 1 uniforms. Just ignore the 2370s commbadge....
I’m glad they didn’t do any first contacts in Generations. Imagine bringing important potential Federation members up to the ship and everyone is wearing random uniforms. You’d think Starfleet would want some uniformity in their uniforms, at least on their flagship. It was understandable on other occasions, like starships visiting DS9. That would never would have happened if Jellico was in command!!
Actually ill fitting and multiple Uniforms are not uncommon, even in real world military's. I remember many receiving uniforms that didn't exactly fit properly, I also remember when the Canadian military switched from the olive drabs to the cadpat. Most of the time what happened was that once the olive drabs wore out, they were issued cadpat. so you had some in cadpat and some in Olive drab. Topper of that is this was also the time when they switch all the elements over to one uniform, for a while you had a real hodgepodge of uniforms. This was done again when they switched from the old gear to the moderately water proof gortex.
First, I absolutely love your work. Your videos are some of the most entertaining, informative on the TH-cams! Next - a technicality... Worf DID wear a DS9-style uniform in Generations...in a deleted scene! Remember toward the end, when we see a shuttle about to land to pick Picard up? Well, in a filmed deleted scene, Geordi and Worf actually disembark the shuttle to talk to the captain before picking him up...and yup...Worf was in the alternate uniform!!! Wild, isn't it?! Keep up the GREAT content!!!
Why not....just use the same TV show Uniforms for the first movie? I mean the whole idea of a Uniform is for everyone to be well....uniform. Why are they walking around with different versions of the uniform on the same ship. That's even more confusing.
7:50 "short horizontal seams" are called DARTS. The uniforms have darts.
Ha! Nerd!
Small details that made me realize I missed some changes, like Worf’s nose. I only vaguely remember noticing the forehead area change once. But I guess, they changed minor changes often😅. I might have noticed the eye brows, but not sure.
The dropped uniforms were a relief. I prefer the ones than ended up onscreen better. Even with the minor fitting issues.
Generations didn't get the script or uniforms or non-recycled sfx it deserved.
I love the details and subtle humor in junkball's vids. Only he could make a video about obsolete Trek unis this entertaining. Truly a master TH-camr.
micheal mack; "well, at least i beat the teddy bear. hey, thats no mean feat. that damn teddy bears beloved!!!"
Very enjoyable Trek geek-out material. And I love the narrator's accent and sense of humour. The quirky muzak complements it brilliantly.
Man, this gave me a lot to think about. I made my own design of a starfleet uniform and it honestly looks amazing, but now I wonder how possible it would be to translate the design on paper into a functional design to be worn as a cosplay. Excelent video and thanks for the ideas to improve my designs :D
The one thing I didn't quite understand about Generations is why half the crew had the newer (DS9) style uniforms, while others had the older style uniforms. It doesn't seem like there was a specific reason for this, except for possibly while PIcard was on his "away" mission on Veridian III and while La Forge was being interrogated by Soren, the rest of the crew got new uniforms from starfleet. I'm sure it was intention in some way and was meant perhaps to mean a transition from the old ST TNG to the newer series (DS9). Even in a few of the DS9 eposides we can see O'Brien and Worf wearing the older uniform styles (black shoulder/collar) especially during the seasons where the two shows overlapped.
I love how you used my favorite mix of Electricity in this! Blending Star Trek and OMD... I’m impressed!!!
the belt was added as thos uniforms used by some of the actors were from other actors from DS9. thats why the belt.
I NEVER understood why the crew would wear TNG uniforms, then change. Apparently both Marina Sirtis and Gates McFadden did not transisiton to the 'DS9sies' as Gates thought it looked ugly and Sirtis just refused to wear hers. My BIGGEST gripe with the seasons 3 - 7/Generations uniforms were the cheaper one piece versions with the zip down the centre for the extras, they were saving money yes, but it did cheapen the production somewhat!
Truly fascinating in a way I was not expecting. Tad specific on the minutiae, but I guess that's the point of vid (& makes me feel I missed so many details all the times I rewatched the series).
Keep the work up mate!
I got a Geordi figure wearing those prototype uniforms. But I also got then I got Geordi wearing a DS9 Uniform.
Also: WHY WOULD STARFLEET WANNA SWITCH UNIFORMS AGAIN????
They literally just introduced the early DS9/VOY uniforms! Why change again?
And now, according to some people, some variation of this version (apparently more closer to the toys) of the uniforms are now used on Star Trek Lower Decks. Whether you accept it o not, that's up to you.
I was ignoring a stupid video, about Star Trek uniforms, in my feed.. Then I realized it was a Junkball video!! Thank you!
I await the Outstanding Star Trek Byte part Actor awards
Makes me so happy when I see a new Junkball media video in my notifications.
More Junkball, more yes.
Finally! Someone remembered the teddy bear!
Michael Mack also played a Romulan on TNG "The Pegasus".
The introduction to Junkball Transmission is so pleasing! I am glad they ditched the redesign to retain the Picard Maneuver. Micheal Mack!!! Cheers to you! Thanks for another amazing video!
Thanks, man. I spend more time than I should making those channel name intros. I have a bunch that I'll never use, but it's fun to tinker.
@@JunkBallMedia I'd watch that Junkball Video over and over again! More than I already do!
I was completely unaware of this, what an interesting surprise. I always assumed the mess of Generations unforms was just representing a sort of transitional period between TNG and DS9/Voyager, which always felt like a strange thing to do, now it all makes much more sense.
BTW, judging by this video you've been misreading Colm as Colin this whole time?! Haha.
I liked the S1 designs, but all the others definitely seem more comfortable as well as good looking.
I wish they had used some of the uniform designs from various Star Trek video games.
I wonder if part of the reason Colm's uniform fit so poorly on LeVar is because his sleeves were specially designed to be able to be rolled up.
Another great video. You can tell there is a lot of research in your videos and that you put a lot of research and effort behind theme. Great job you indeed have the way best videos. May you continue to Live Long and Prosper.
STG should have had those scrapped uniforms. They looked good. But besides being budgeted, it makes sense why some of the cast wore the DS9 uniforms as it enforces the purpose of them as they where base /station suits.
Voyager had no purpose in wearing them as they where Starship operation and should have stuck with the TNG or the purposed Generations suits.
Then again, if the Generations where used would we get the First Contact ones.
Frakes in the DS9 style uniform looked like a kid going through puberty and outgrowing his clothes.
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@@gmanwolf359 No one opened the Playmates Star Trek figures. There was a antique mall near where my dad lives that still had the figures for like $5 or $6...about original retail...25 years later!
scockery I know. I’m trying to get rid of them.. Lol
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@i W i t n e s s There were First Contact figures? I thought they didn't make any because the Generations merch sold so poorly?