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  • @robertswanson5373
    @robertswanson5373 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    00:58 Beta Flight
    06:21 Clear Flight
    07:55 KISS
    11:51 Flight One
    15:29 EMU
    19:50 INAV

  • @nickxc
    @nickxc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    This channel is such a dangerous work killer. After a year or two of avoidance, i finally decided to jump into fpv drones for video work.
    I've probably lost 15+ hours in the past week to these videos. It's been super helpful and easy to understand.
    Thank you Joshua!
    My first drone may end up running inav now...

    • @Poyser1911
      @Poyser1911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      im there right now, hrrrs of reseach right after finding about drones and then fpv in the past 1-2weeks, from dji ->dji hacks->mr steel->analog/digital->building quad->reseach or parts and flow of data/tx/rx -> free style videos-> ordered and waiting on a tx16s now -> watching all of Joshua's videos ever, sun up to sun down very fun and exciting

    • @Poyser1911
      @Poyser1911 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      im not in a big country so its going to take a while, import is costly so i have to wait on friends traveling

    • @FerralVideo
      @FerralVideo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      My first "real" drone ran Cleanflight, but I'm pretty sure my next one's going to get an iNav flash to it. Getting all of those cool automated modes AND still getting the raw FPV experience in the SAME aircraft sounds really exciting.
      Also being able to rely on the automation during long range sends if I lose video or signal for more than a rudimentary GPS RTH that may or may not work.

  • @pippifpv
    @pippifpv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    Thank you Joshua, for not putting 10 adds in every one of your videos. Please don't change that. Please don't

    • @gautamkrishna7421
      @gautamkrishna7421 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Tbh I wouldn’t mind if he did..... I would happily watch like 4 ads a video to make him filthy rich!😂

    • @pippifpv
      @pippifpv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@gautamkrishna7421 if it's a video I watch, like this, it's fine a mid roll add.. But I hate it, when I'm listening to one of his livestreams, while working, and then have to pull out my phone to skip an add every 5 min.
      To be fair, Joshua is far from the worst. Some have an add every 5 min. And it just makes me quit there channel. Honestly, I mind them trying to gain 2 extra cent on wasting my time. I don't have enough awaken hours to watch all of TH-cam anyway.

    • @kylehardy7519
      @kylehardy7519 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Why not just use an adblocker?

    • @pippifpv
      @pippifpv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@kylehardy7519 well, I don't mind supporting the channels by watching a 5-10s add before watching there video. I know I'm troubling, because I want the best from both worlds. But I think we should stay together and force the influencers to turn down the adds a notch.
      I watch 95% of the videos on my android phone. Is there even a TH-cam app addblock app?

    • @willraefpv
      @willraefpv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If you want to support him, join his patreon instead of giving youtube revenue.

  • @BOTGRINDER
    @BOTGRINDER 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    emu flys amazing tbh, def worth a try if all your worried about is ripping.

    • @noforyoutubepremium3108
      @noforyoutubepremium3108 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Agreed!

    • @piig
      @piig 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It’s on 3 of my bitches! And kicks ass 🤣

    • @ProjectMockingbird
      @ProjectMockingbird 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Dynamic rates are teh bombz! Also, cinewhooping is much smoother with the use of dynamic rates.

    • @GUILLERMO.NESPOlO
      @GUILLERMO.NESPOlO 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shut up and a CHORIPAN

    • @TheDroneNerd
      @TheDroneNerd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Guillermo Nespolo I don’t get it..Not funny at all..😒

  • @dronepilot1333
    @dronepilot1333 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Ardupilot should not be missed. I have been using it for a long time and it only gets better and better

  • @ivanlin2603
    @ivanlin2603 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    One thing to correct: Both Kiss and FlightOne hardware can run either Betaflight or Emuflight without problem, you can also flash back to the original firmware if you don't like BF or EMU.

    • @pippifpv
      @pippifpv 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does the osd board add on work directly from kiss to betaflight? Never tried kiss, but always wondered if it is as simple to get going on betaflight.

    • @ivanlin2603
      @ivanlin2603 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pippifpv As ImpulseRC OSD boards go, they are compatible with BF OSD protocol. This doesn't mean you can configurate them at the OSD tab in BF configurator, you need to use their stand alone app, but it's pretty much the same.

    • @pippifpv
      @pippifpv 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ivanlin2603 so connect USB directly to the osd board, to configure? And setup in ports tab in bf configurator?

    • @tehllama42
      @tehllama42 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is why I consider the MillivoltOSD the 'default best' option if you're not sure - it does basically everything out of the box, and if you decide you don't like any of those options, somebody local will buy it off you used.

    • @ivanlin2603
      @ivanlin2603 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pippifpv yep

  • @Alf-Dee
    @Alf-Dee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    About EMUFLIGHT, what attracted me into it has been the 0.3.x version, and its “dynamic rates”.
    I love them because they can change the feeling of a quad, for example a Cinewhoop with correct dynamic rates “almost” doesn’t need stabilization in post to make cinematic stuff (pilot skill-wise) since it feels so effortlessly smooth!

  • @wippo76
    @wippo76 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I use all of them
    Have a kiss quad
    2 on beta
    1 on emu (with helio spring)
    1 quad with a H7 with falco
    And a plane on inav
    I like to play with all
    I agree with the kiss thing that its difficult to trouble shoot wobbly wobbly stuff
    I think I like the feeling of emu flight the most
    And the ease of setup falcoX (as long everthing works because when you have trouble its very very closed source)

  • @AdrianoCasemiro
    @AdrianoCasemiro 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All I want is having my model to do whatever it is best at. So my big 7 inch long range cruiser is running Inav, my smaller and faster 5 inch runs Betaflight, my trusty old Mini Talon wing do better with Ardupilot and my next build, a micrquad 3 inch screamer will be governed by Betaflight with turtle mode, of course. The learning curve is painfully slow but the rewards are well worth it. And thanks to all the masters on TH-cam an RC forums and groups, I can always count with invaluable information, feedback and help. That includes you, Bardwell. Thanks a lot.

  • @paulbizard3493
    @paulbizard3493 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Joshua is so pleasant to listen to...I could listen to him hours and hours. Clear and structured. Joshua could have been a successful sales representative. :) Keep up the good work!

  • @alwayshathbeen3340
    @alwayshathbeen3340 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m the beginner that you keep referring to in these videos. Thank you so much Josh. Incredibly helpful. Please keep it up buddy.

  • @BMWS14turbo
    @BMWS14turbo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    After 2 years BF and 6 builds i did a Kiss build (Mr.Steele).
    I can say its worth the money.

    • @mhoovair89
      @mhoovair89 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      👍🏻 absolutely

  • @aleeezena
    @aleeezena 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Betaflight can be overwhelming and a lot of pilots don't want to go so deep in the configuration. As you say they want to fly! In my opinion, Betaflight should introduce "layers of complexity". One simple GUI more oriented to ask what do you want to achieve ed another more for fine-tuning. The first one dedicated to quick preset settings for different kinds of quad, maybe asking the user some basilar informations needed to elaborate the setting (as type of quad, motors, props diameter, intended use, weight etc) and, why not, different presets of pilots who want to share their setting (like EMU). It's not simple to do it, but it would be very useful for a lot of people. Thank you Joshua.

  • @kevinmcgregor7340
    @kevinmcgregor7340 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for all your great videos you have taught me so much over the last couple weeks. I’m brand new to fpv and anytime I have a question you seem to have a video with the answer. Keep it up! It is people like you that make it easy for newbies like me to learn and get into a awesome hobby.

  • @jeryjohn
    @jeryjohn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awesome video no honorable mention of kk boards, openflight, multiwii and the infamous baseflight though, seems like centuries ago😂

  • @lynxfpv
    @lynxfpv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Like most of your content, this was worth watching till the end. As a beta flight user from the start an haven't yet branched out to anything else (even after building 7quads). I'm happy with spending the time to understand all about one software program an all it has to offer. An after flashing 4.2.2 an adjusting the tune an filters (thx to help from a homie on DroneNation for some indepth help) I feel locked precision flight feeling. This video was nice to watch, an gave me good insight on the other programs running out there. I would like to now learn more about inav.

  • @chrisstein82
    @chrisstein82 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It is maybe usefull for some people to know, that it is possible to use standard ESCs with KISS (save some money and get KISS stick feel)

    • @Interceptor3000
      @Interceptor3000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you link a video where it is teached to do?

  • @wrstew1272
    @wrstew1272 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Eloquently described magic. Lots of very complex things made understandable. Ya did good my guru!

  • @YorkyPoo_UAV
    @YorkyPoo_UAV 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I don't have enough experience but that being said watching a couple of videos somehow I feel my drone is tuned perfect and has survived in the air after some amazing crashes. Betaflight

  • @SuperGamer133
    @SuperGamer133 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I put emuflight on a beecore v2 bushed whoop and on a mobula 6 PMB and I love how they fly. I'm still fairly new but I did noticed a difference and prefer emuflight

  • @c4pt1n54no
    @c4pt1n54no 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stock BF PIDs are best as a starting point for 5inch X- and elongated X-frames, with a conservative pitch 2-4 blade prop on 2000-2400kv motors and a 1200-1300mah 4s pack mounted on top. Three or four years ago, that covered most basic introductory setups, save for high end RTF and BNF kits. I remember my first betaflight whoop board, it came tuned with PIDs over triple stock BF values and felt perfectly locked in, right around the same time UAVFutures was giving almost all the new eachine 5-inchers a "pretty good" out of the box tune rating.

  • @mbrsart
    @mbrsart 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good breakdown of the main differences. I think the biggest reason I use Betaflight is because it came pre configured on both my flight controllers (I got a Tinyhawk RTF and a Tinyhawk Freestyle BNF), and it's good enough for me. Go with the flow, I guess.

  • @GUILLERMO.NESPOlO
    @GUILLERMO.NESPOlO 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    CHORIPAN FIRMWARE JB !!!! CHORIPAN

  • @Hausgrove
    @Hausgrove 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree… I personally started with libre pilot, then CF then BF.. tried Emu and FlightOne and eventually found my way to KISS and never looked back! That being said everyone I fly with runs BF

  • @Smokkedandslammed
    @Smokkedandslammed 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    KISS came around when we were still running the Hobby King KK flight controllers lol Definetly pre BetaFlight, and right around when CleanFlight was getting bigger, if I remember correctly. They were sooooo expensive when they first started coming around, like $32 per ESC! My homeboy built a BlackOut with KISS ESCs, Cobra motors, and the newest Naze32 and that thing ripped.....until it got lost in a feild 😩

  • @MasqUp
    @MasqUp 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, that was very educational, been using Betaflight only, now I understand that there's options (which I knew about, but now understand).

  • @stevensbox9625
    @stevensbox9625 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job Joshua. Betaflight, all the way. Mostly because you have educational stuff on it. Keep making sure I learn something today.

  • @tylerwilliams786
    @tylerwilliams786 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You nailed it👌. I started on betaflight,and as I progressed. Diving into the code. Especially with 4.2 tuning, and all the ff comands,filters. The better my quad flys. It flys so smooth. I love learning betaflight with so many people in this community

  • @dailofpv
    @dailofpv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    KISS is definitely superior when it comes to ease of setup, flight performance and feel, however the hardware and build process is a pain point for me. I fly 6S and don't want to tediously add caps to every ESC, but also don't want to use the KISS 4-in-1 which explodes into flames. So, I used the Fettec ESC which works well, but you have to add extra spike absorbers to your caps to prevent it from popping. Additionally, KISS/Fettec FC's require external OSD's which is yet another part you need to buy and install. When the KISS V2 went out of stock I installed the Fettec FC which randomly died after disarming about 6 inches above the ground during my second flight session on it. The added time and cost needed to build a KISS quad (plus reliability and availability issues with hardware) has pushed me to go back to Betaflight. Although BF is not as straight forward to setup/tune, the build process is simpler, cheaper and in my experience more reliable.

  • @ChristopherNovaSmith
    @ChristopherNovaSmith 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent job @joshua Bardwell, I own a couple Betaflight quads but love my Kiss and FETtec quads. The new FETtec OSD is incredible, so much better than the other options for Kiss.

  • @jlarson42
    @jlarson42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Been running Betaflight, very happy with and used to it. Your videos helped me get started. 👍
    I'm going to try iNav on my 7" build. And I have the Fettec F7 30x30 fc, waiting on the 45amp esc so I can try Kiss. I love all the options. Happy flying everyone 🤓

  • @RTKdarling
    @RTKdarling 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The new Dynamic Rates system makes EMU worth a try, it really lets you tune the stick feel to your preference.

  • @mantassernius8976
    @mantassernius8976 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    No Ardupilot ???

    • @dr0n3droid
      @dr0n3droid 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      There aren't many of us using ardupilot. It simply doesn't handle agressive acro the way betaflight can.
      That being said, I believe an honorable mention should have been included when speaking of GPS/barometer/sonar.
      INAV = Betaflight + Ardupilot

    • @lolandypanda
      @lolandypanda 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@dr0n3droid For sure that is not true, it is neither BF (it is actually worse behaving) nor AP(it is awesomely far away from AP possibilities and features)... It took all possible disadvanteges of both, but no benefits are taken...

    • @dr0n3droid
      @dr0n3droid 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lolandypanda Pretty sure that's what I said.

    • @EllGeeLabs
      @EllGeeLabs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was about to ask the same!

    • @Mrfunkyfpv
      @Mrfunkyfpv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I felt the same that’s all I use but I’m fixed wing

  • @xtcfpv4601
    @xtcfpv4601 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    KISS is out of the box the best FC for me and also in terms of using more than one Copter. Betaflight might be constantly updating and improving but you have to start from scratch everytime and it is difficult to make two kwads with the same hardware fly as the others.

  • @jchris_fpv
    @jchris_fpv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am in this hobby for around 15 months. I started with Naze32 + cleanflight. Then immediately came into my rig Emax Buzz with betaflight 4. It was flying pretty good, as what I can tell based on my small experience then. I have already get rid of buzz and I have been flying other 2 kwads. Few weeks ago I decided to switch all my betaflight stuff into Revolt FalcoX and Kiss Fettec. Also bought TBS Tango 2 and HDO2 (switching from Attitude v5 - there is huuuuuge difference). With all this stuff I am feeling that I am entering this hobby once again, from scratch, from zero to hero xD Thanks Joshua for sharing. Keep posting great stuff. Take care and stay safe and healthy! Btw, good to mention that FlightOne is working on H7 new boards! Check Wild Willy channel! Cheers m8!

  • @tehllama42
    @tehllama42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great summary, for a video of this type that's honestly hard to achieve a useful and informative balance, and you did it.

  • @LittleMissRollerCoaster
    @LittleMissRollerCoaster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I suggest beginners to use EmuFlight first as they have presets that tuned by pilot testers for some of their builds. If the default or presets is not good, then switch to BetaFlight for more deep dive! LOL!

  • @spiffyfitz
    @spiffyfitz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I do watch all the videos all the way to the end.

  • @nyvinchenz9430
    @nyvinchenz9430 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you i have a betaflight compatible fc so i have tried emuflight and will be testing inav on my 5" because i bought a fc that supports the features you talk about in this video thanks

  • @Ukat09
    @Ukat09 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome JB ... after watching to the end .... I agree with you at the begining - I just want to lfy the fricken thing. lol - - - but it was good o listen to what goes on behind the curtain about this topic. Cheers JB.

  • @anthonystownsend
    @anthonystownsend 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    iNav has come a long, long way but resource remapping is the only thing that lets it down, however, proper build planning will get around it. I run a 7 in Bandolero with DJI and xfire on iNav for mid/long range and it's awesome. I can push as far as DJI will go and have full confidence that I can flick a switch and she'll come home, EVER. SINGLE. TIME.

  • @MrJarrod
    @MrJarrod 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have the up most respect for cleanflight, even though I use betaflight. Thankyou Dom.

  • @irwane1817
    @irwane1817 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i just started flying FPV, with BF for a beginner like me it's madness. FL1 save me due to it's wizard, but i am looking forward to try BF , just need more time

  • @MartinezJayson
    @MartinezJayson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Joshua, have you ever considered doing an arducopter build video series?
    I think you could make some very cool videos where you start with the very basics and then cover advanced topics. For example: RTK GPS, optical flow, precision optical-based autonomous landing, and (if you reaaly want to show off your engineering skills) implementing a companion computer running a custom python script developed using DroneCode that adds custom sense and respond capabilities.

  • @ChrisFlys
    @ChrisFlys 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can flash FalcoX on matek 411 targets. Not just F1 boards

  • @JS-op5gk
    @JS-op5gk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm really looking foreward to a school-project for upcoming schoolyear: building a copter with GPS and variable payloads, including different cameras and so on.
    We are planning to use iNav.(With experience in Betaflight)
    Great overview, thank you for the video!

    • @tehllama42
      @tehllama42 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      If it's a school project, LMK how I can help, especially if it's a science fair flavored one

    • @JS-op5gk
      @JS-op5gk 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tehllama42 thank you for the offer but I've got a great teacher who is into drones and as a non english as motherlanguage-guy (sorry by the way for mistakes in spelling or grammar) it is easier that way.
      But one question: Does somebody know if a RaspPi can communicate with an FC? Weird question, I know.
      We are thinking about following people (if possible) who are detected by a programme on the RaspPi in an immage and then the copter might be able to keep them in frame.

  • @paulstone9755
    @paulstone9755 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I fly only on stock pids and Bidirectional DShot using my own rates with BF and I have no issues. 5in /7in all fly great in my view. Yes I can fine tune if i wish but instead of wasting time tuning, I prefer to go out and practice. No matter how good your tune if you can't fly well it makes no diff. Practice Practice and more Practice and you will be fine with BF 4... Plus out out of the box.

  • @michaelcrawford4940
    @michaelcrawford4940 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Whenever I fly a quad I’ve tuned with Betaflight 3.5.whatever I am reminded of how good it was

  • @bertbeinaaf8314
    @bertbeinaaf8314 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I enjoyed watching this video. Very informative. 👍
    As far as I you know don’t have to have a barometer or compass to run iNav. But when you want to use the full GPS functions, then you do.
    I run Silverware on some brushed tiny whoops, iNav on the Tyro129, Betaflight on my ET115 and EmuFlight on my Mobula 7. And I need much more time to tweak them all.... 😶

  • @marlin-fpv
    @marlin-fpv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gyro vs Setpoint is all we need to see from all of these. Betaflight can prove how good it can do the job.

  • @m4kwadfpv
    @m4kwadfpv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    BETAFLIGHT 3.4.7 is great, i have tested EMUFLIGHT 0.3.2 is great buuut, i have switched to BF 4.2 with RPM Filter enabled, tuned pids, rates and filters (honestly! amazing experience, i love it!), FLIGHTONE with FALCOX is incredible experience (flies good all the time, have two of this), I hope to test a Kiss setup at some time. Thanks for the informations JB.

  • @scooterfpv8864
    @scooterfpv8864 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4:32 An interesting point. I'm down with the modified changes with B.F. as new versions are brought but as a beginner it's hard to differentiate what each little attribute may or may not help me with a particular tuning quirk I may be trying to smooth out or sharpen. P.S. The last vid with Ryan Harrell was an eye opener for my Butter Kwads weird movement issue. I took his observations with the ESC kHz thing and "BAM" spontaneous problem solved.

  • @Enderkruemel
    @Enderkruemel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I startet flying with a cc3d and
    openPilot. But i changed it to cleanflight and later to betaflight. I think betaflight has the Best tuning settings.

  • @dronimik
    @dronimik 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You became really good at starting your videos in a fun and exciting way! 👍🏽

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, Joshua! 😊
    I guess the best depends on what you want to do and how you want to fly. There's no wrong choice without considering this part. 😊
    Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @DominicClifton
    @DominicClifton 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Also, only CF, BF, PX4 and ArduPilot and FalcoX have support for the latest H7 processors where as EmuFlight and INAV currenly support upto F7. Though INAV is currently working on H7 support.

  • @jandomingo9806
    @jandomingo9806 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I built a badger and marmotte hd.. had wobbles. Tried everything couldnt fix it. Went to emuflight. Was less wobbles. But lowering tpa I fixed it. Was set too high. Flies like a dream now. I love emuflight.

  • @mrRamzes2002
    @mrRamzes2002 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for best introduction!.

  • @DjalmaRibeiro
    @DjalmaRibeiro 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    suggestion. What would a perfect DJI drone look like?

  • @HendrixFreakazoid
    @HendrixFreakazoid 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    With the combination of price, user friendliness and ripping performance silverware whoops are just plain awesome who can deny? Got my first with the armor65 lite and it is able to handle zippin around and bouncing off objects without crashes and when it does it can't be destroyed only a little dinged up a real tough little bugger it is.

  • @CgitEinsteins
    @CgitEinsteins 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think, BF 4.2 is the best for me, just need 4 5 batere for tuning, just slide min max pid and done.

  • @tehllama42
    @tehllama42 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a tempting answer that the RevoltOSD and MillivoltOSD are ideal choices - not because of FL1 specifically, but because they're actually really good Betaflight/Emuflight/Cleanflight targets, and can also run FL1 (just need to rewire certain receivers)... provided you can find them.
    Just run different (more available/affordable) ESC's, the budget ones work just fine, and you'll end up with a great quad that is super flexible.

  • @bartaerts7830
    @bartaerts7830 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Betaflight is just the Android of Drones (and I guess Kiss is the iOS ;-) )

  • @uavtech
    @uavtech 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    1:00 - BOOM, the honest fact of the matter.
    I struggle with the constant premise out there that "brand X" (whatever that is) is so much better. Whelp if so, why is it not the most popular?
    Be careful, Emu does NOT have all BF targets (yet?). Same with iNAV. :-/
    One thing, Emu and iNAV are much more complicated than BF. Folks never recognize that fact. BF gets the most flack for being complicated, but it is really not compared to other open source projects.
    Finally, Revolt (FlightOne) boards do have a BF target too! So did KISS till recently.

    • @blackchromemusic
      @blackchromemusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just because something is popular doesnt mean its any good.
      I tried to tune BF and all you get is prop wash.

    • @Kajedkid
      @Kajedkid 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blackchromemusic any one of these firmwares if you tune properly and make sure all your hardware is in check. Guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell any one apart from the other. They all do the same thing for the same end game just get there in a different way. If all your getting is propwash then you must be trying to use too heavy of a prop for your motor combo or something is up with the hardware. Not trying to be argumentative but they all use a pid loop and if you tune it proper then your good to go.

  • @Oberlurch-lf8jj
    @Oberlurch-lf8jj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Joshua! I think you missed that you always need an external OSD for KISS hardware. For me it's the wolf PDB or the TBS unify evo.

  • @mattk3406
    @mattk3406 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was a big fan back in the day of OpenPilot CC3D boards -> They had a great setup wizard and my favourite part; the user made templates for some 5-inch 1806/2206 quads, 450mm quads etc. And it flew pretty damn well... I came back to flying recently and found its forked to Dronin... but don't see many people using it? Where is the Dronin love.

  • @iiamnev
    @iiamnev 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Betaflight's PID has been an absolute nightmare, helped my brother with his KISS FC V2 build, literally assembled and soldered the quad, flashed firmware and it flew. I spent 1 whole week tuning PID's and I still need to do some fine-tuning.

  • @KineticAirRgV
    @KineticAirRgV 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    TY Joshua.

  • @anti-popfpv4638
    @anti-popfpv4638 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have quads on BF, Inav, Silverware and Butterflight. I'm pretty well versed in the first 3. I like inav the most and if you wonder why it doesn't have turtle mode "IMO" is because inav if for level flight i.e. like the DJI systems you mentioned. SUPREME Agility and acrobatics are not the vision but nice and easy, long, level endurace flights are. We need GPS more than propwash handling. This whole expectation of having a FW that just does it all on a push of a button is redonk

  • @jamiegerrard2129
    @jamiegerrard2129 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your work!!!!

  • @jimmynoname4089
    @jimmynoname4089 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Inav is always my goto.... but i fly fix wing. I finally picked up quad parts and tossed betaflight on it. Oddly wouldn’t arm or work, but inav worked. This pointed me to why! Inav doesn’t use bidirectional esc, but betaflight does... damn wiring!

  • @FerralVideo
    @FerralVideo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the reasons I'm strongly considering the Flywoo Explorer is that it has both Betaflight out of the box, and an iNav target and easy provision to add a compass should I desire.
    Other than it being a superb machine that's well balanced for a variety of types of flying.
    Also, I've been running a Cleanflight kwad on what is probably stock PIDs and rates for years. The only thing I've found lacking is that the rates are a little slow for freestyle, and I've smashed the poor thing enough times that I think it has a serious problem. It literally yells at me every time I hit something hard enough now.
    Also why would you fly freestyle on your iNav rig?
    Simple. Because you CAN, and because I can't afford to buy an individual quad for every individual thing I want to do with quads, as much as I would love to do so!

  • @edrone_
    @edrone_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Putting betaflight on flight one flight controllers is pretty good as well because of the filtration that those boards use. Great video as always 👍

  • @jameslewis5332
    @jameslewis5332 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, its a very tricky subject. I believe you dont fly kiss all the time because you are a tinkerer. You love that betaflight command line too much :)

  • @alba2946
    @alba2946 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Emuflight does not support Europe Frsky_LBT protocol on the spi_rx, you will need to flash to US version if you want to run Emu on your gear bought in Europe :)

  • @gnitsark5265
    @gnitsark5265 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why doesn't ardupilot get any love? I put a pixhawk mini in a 5 inch and it's a blast. Can go from full acro to position hold with the flick of a switch and I come right back to home if I failsafe.

    • @ColinMill1
      @ColinMill1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I guess it's the learning curve that puts so many people off. I got involved with Ardupilot because I had a job that required us to get a quadplane flying autonomously and there really wasn't any other way to go. That forced me to invest the time and effort into understanding how to get it to do what I wanted to do. A bit like learning Linux or C++, the investment is eventually paid back.

  • @Finalmile_FPV
    @Finalmile_FPV 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man I was hoping you’d close with
    “This brings us to the end of the video, and as always the question .. should you fly it?”
    Ahhhhhhh. I’m going to try Emu, thanks for roundup

  • @Noical
    @Noical 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Flightone fcs can be flashed to betaflight they are not locked down to only Falcox

    • @tehllama42
      @tehllama42 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Preston loves it when I point out how good of a BF target it is... runs RPM filtering/dynamic idle and BF GPS RTH really well.
      I flashed my race rigs back over to Falco, but that's so I can keep doing A/B tests

    • @uavtech
      @uavtech 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tehllama42 Preston works with the Devs, or hired assistance, to make sure their board has a BF target. Same with upcoming H7. They want to sell boards. BF is the most widely used FW. It is just good business.
      Although their focus on FW vs. supply chain issues seems like bad business to me, but what do I know.

  • @locksnpropsfpv7255
    @locksnpropsfpv7255 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where do to get your fpv swag from. I'm a fan of almost every t shirt you rock haha and long time fan keep it up JB

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kwad Box t shirts can be bought at the Rotor Riot store.

    • @locksnpropsfpv7255
      @locksnpropsfpv7255 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JoshuaBardwell thanks alot i might subscribe didn't realise it was a thing. one more question is the clothing std true to size or Asian style sizing so one smaller thanks in advance

  • @tizio5103
    @tizio5103 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It would also be nice to note which do and don't play well with DJI.

  • @wyvern4588
    @wyvern4588 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I cut my teeth on Open Pilot, those CC3D boards were often so flaky that some corrupt after flashing, or never work out of the package.
    I then moved to Clean flight, then Beta flight and then ended up at Butter flight two years ago and then went on hiatus.
    Now that I'm getting back in, I'm going back to Betaflight, but will also have Emu flight for my Helio powered rigs (now that helio/butterflight is dead).
    Falco and Flight-one sound very interesting, I don't "race" competitively, but my style is race based, low to the ground, high speed, tight turns, might be worth checking out if one of my Helio boards go up in smoke- I just don't like going with closed source products for the fact that if they go belly up, you are SOL.
    Oh, and my comparison of what I've flown- Open pilot- clunky, easily apparent it's old, but actually very easy to set up. Clean flight- rounded feel, Betaflight- rounded feel on stock- but tunes can be very very snappy- it is also easy to accidentally tune oscillations into your quad- Butterflight- smooth with a bit of snap near the limits of the sticks- handles oscillation better, but earlier versions were very buggy.

  • @LittleMissRollerCoaster
    @LittleMissRollerCoaster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You do not need a FlightOne FC in order to fly FalcoX... they support other F411 fc like Matek and Diatone etc, you just need to buy FalcoX license to install it!

  • @iam.miikey
    @iam.miikey 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imagine the world if you had only one flavour of ice cream? I like a couple of flavours, Betaflight for my 3 and 5" quads. Just works on a variety of FC's , especially the cheap ones. Betaflight just works. For my fpv planks and wings I use inav. Love gps, barometer and autonomous functionality for those flight controllers. I"m no racer or freestyler i just love to fly!

  • @marianodelacruzocana765
    @marianodelacruzocana765 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    you should do a kiss and falco x tutorial, that would be great

  • @BornIIfly
    @BornIIfly 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I‘m using BetaFlight, the logo is cool, the interface is easy to use. Plus, „I float like a butterfly & sting like a bee.“ 😉

  • @seandolan
    @seandolan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job as usual 😎 if I’m a fan of a TH-cam channel, I’ll sometimes just let it play through even if I’m not paying attention anymore 😁 not in this case of course 😎✌️❤️

  • @uPshiftsHaun
    @uPshiftsHaun 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should do a inav build and tutorial. 👌

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I made one a few months ago. th-cam.com/video/CSKGi68PohE/w-d-xo.html

  • @FastSloW-qt8xf
    @FastSloW-qt8xf 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Clean fight is probably my favorite just because I've been using it for so long. Since back win the cc3d first came out

  • @BfearLess13
    @BfearLess13 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love simplicity but it always turns to be the most complex as well and exactly like you said there’s no tutorial videos in abundance

  • @mehmetziyaaa7208
    @mehmetziyaaa7208 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Betaflight is super awesome

  • @Fleche_FPV
    @Fleche_FPV 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good summary ! 👍

  • @Goodnuggz
    @Goodnuggz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks so much for talking about betaflight, it's held me back about a year. And I'm being completely honest, I've bought about 3-4k in FPV frames motors goggles stacks... But Betaflight SCARES THE 💩 out of me. And as soon as I get the courage and study your videos over and over to actually try to attempt to plug into it ....BAM 4.+ is out and I'm afraid all over again. I know anyone reading this probably thinks it's a joke or I'm a joke, but I bought and buy only the best of the best. But really my plan was instead of a vacation this year I'd stock up on drone parts make the builds and actually fo somewhere were I could hire someone who really knows BF and hands on teach me. I actually discussed this with JB a while back, that's the willingness I have to actually understand BF fully. I'm willing to spend a couple thousand dollars to have a professional actually walk me through it step be step until I feel completely confident that I can plug into BF knowing exactly what I'm looking for - how to fix it - and even pass the knowledge down. Now I know 99% of you guys who've read this far are probably thinking WTF is wrong with this person. But I don't have a single friend who wants anything to do with fpv, Nor do I know anyone in the Pittsburgh area that would be willing to take a total noob under their wing and really teach, not just do it for me. But TEACH me everything that I'd ever need to know.
    TBS alone I've spent atleast $1000-$1500 on CRSF and vtx's and Nanos, not to mention the full size TX and 2 fusions. One for HDO2S and the other for DJI FPV goggle.
    Anyway that's my story thanks for letting me vent.

    • @NainKaigo
      @NainKaigo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When I first started I was overwhelmed as well. To be honest, if you are throwing down that much cash on hardware, just try things and if something breaks replace it. Learning on your own through mistakes or victories will be far more impactful than having someone teach you. They will forever be your crutch as new versions are released and you will go to them for answers. If you break something you'll remember, "Ok, I know not to do such and such this time because I smoked an ESC last time". Start with the defaults and change one thing at a time. If it flies like garbage, make a smaller change or put it back to the way it was. If you spent that year you lost just fiddling around with Betaflight this would have been a post complaining about missing features or how much you enjoy the firmware.
      Don't fret, you got this. Just try and then try again.

    • @Goodnuggz
      @Goodnuggz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NainKaigo Thank you so much. You're right, if I just nutted up a year ago and just went at it I know by now I'd be answering people's questions for them.
      I'm not sure if you ever played any kind of mmo like World of Warcraft or my personal favorite Final Fantasy 11 and 14.. But I was discussing with my wife that I'm looking at it like that kinda. Like there is SO much shit to learn and lvl up, but after a fee months Your max level and doing really cool endgame stuff. It's just taking that first step. I literally have let it hold me back 14 months now. I have probably 10+ built or buildable kwads not to mention the emax's. It's just plugging into the pc and make actual changes freaking me out. Time to make an F: drive put everything and anything FPV related under F alone to stay organized. Like Drain Man, dudes got his shit together when I see him doing anything on his pc. So organized. Btw I'm ok at computers but not good at all. Anyway I'm going for it. Fuck it. The one thing in the world you can never get back is Time, and I've wasted way too much already.
      For real, thanks for the nudge my dude or dudet. I needed it.
      ✌ +💚

  • @Chromie21
    @Chromie21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Butterflight ftw!!!

    • @uavtech
      @uavtech 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      So good it died.

    • @Chromie21
      @Chromie21 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      UAV Tech lol

  • @stepan7389
    @stepan7389 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Excu-u-use me! Where is the ArduCopter?

    • @_deepdigger_6076
      @_deepdigger_6076 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And what about baseflight?

    • @vhfgamer
      @vhfgamer 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed. I was wondering where ArduCopter was.

    • @Politicallyhomeless957
      @Politicallyhomeless957 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂

    • @splif7773
      @splif7773 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Excussssse you. You already know this is a drone channel not helicopters!!

  • @jaimme07
    @jaimme07 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you man you're the best !

  • @SaifAli-uk9do
    @SaifAli-uk9do 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thanks for all that useful info

  • @MrGazhay
    @MrGazhay 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wasn’t there butterflight as well? 😆
    I ran Betaflight until Jan where I started my PFCO drone licence (UK) with the aim of commercially flying FPV. The requirement was for RTH if signal lost. So I switched to Inav as this does proper RTH and land. I find it flies acro well, I fly a 6 inch quad.

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Helio is out of business. Nobody is developing butterflight actively. Most butterflight users have gone to Emu which branched off of it.

  • @Poldi79de
    @Poldi79de 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for another very informative video Joshua, I learned a lot again.

  • @MysteryD
    @MysteryD 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Eluflight all day for me. Just feels good.

  • @E3GKintalo
    @E3GKintalo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just converted to Kiss fully after 3yrs of Betaflight myself.

    • @mouseFPV
      @mouseFPV 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What has to be kiss specific? Just the FC and ESCs?

    • @E3GKintalo
      @E3GKintalo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mouseFPV fc