Walksnail has 4k now? Yes! // MOONLIGHT REVIEW
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00:00:00 - Taking direct aim at DJI O3
00:01:09 - Changes from previous vTX
00:02:24 - Finally! And SD card!
00:03:37 - Is it backwards compatible?
00:05:58 - Why is 4k recording and EIS disabled?
00:07:15 - Moonlight first test flight
00:09:11 - Compairson to Pro cam (daylight)
00:11:01 - Comparison to DJI O3
00:12:49 - Firmware situation is a mess (as usual)
00:16:21 - Low light test flight
00:20:23 - File is corrupted if you lose power
00:21:19 - Night-time comparison vs. Pro cam and O3
00:25:04 - EIS test flight
00:27:12 - Should you buy it?
![☀ Новая цифровая камера на дрон лучше GoPro? [Walksnail Moonlight 4K FPV]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8JpfsQ9t9fg/mqdefault.jpg)
"Well the first thing i wanna show you is.." -JB
25:53
Haha I want to imagine that was a fun little prank from his editor and JB has no idea its in there
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Bardwell hey man just watched the flowstate documentary. And I don't consider your brand fpv know it all as being tongue and cheek. You truly are the fpv know it all. You're the reason 90% of us pilots are in the air and definitely the reason why we are still in the air. I started when buying parts has no instructions at all. And barely could find anything online about them. But then I came across your page. And it was like the briefcase at the end of Pulp Fiction. It just glowed of gold soothing release of anxiety and the comfort of knowing that all my questions are now gonna be answered. I don't think there is any one person in this industry that has done more for the people than you have my friend. You made getting into this hobby so extremely easy for me and my son, which allowed me to spend more time with him than I would ever have expected through his teenage years. Thank you man. Thank you.
Civil twilight is a type of twilight that occurs when the sun's geometric center is 6 degrees below the horizon. It can begin in the morning or end in the evening
Is a faa thing
I was shocked to see the detail comparison between the Moonlight and 03. I didn't expect that.
Me neither, I always knew O3 was less sharp but not by that much
The added contrast of the moonlight probably contributes significantly to the apparent sharpness
That's not detail, that's oversharpening. This looks like a dashcam video.
Love all the new things we see latly, FPV is not dead at all like some say. Great video also, thanx for the info.
Coming from Analog this is very impressive!
Thank you for your videos, sir!
Very fair and first fully comparison. I learned against my expectations that hdPro has better low light. Thanks a lot
I'm new to fpv and ordered my 1st set of goggles today. You helped me make up my mind. Having to learn Betaflight, Edge tx and build my drone I already I didn't want to have to deal with the software and cable deal with the walksnail as well. I just want my video to work. I ordered the dji goggles 2
Well researched, great editing.
That's a good looking lanyard!
thank so much waited for you to make this vid am getting one soon
So Walksnail can do 4k. Walksnail can do the 1s avatar mini. It has decent options in between these two. It's not best in field but it's not bad either and it's actively improving (in general). If you want to do both larger cruising, videography/photography and also whoops within a single HD system it's a very compelling choice especially for those new to the hobby who don't have analog drone's they still like to take for a spin. Headset could definitely havebetter integration people's existing analog drones though.
Went with walksnail for my first drone too. Hope itll perform well.
Good luck with it @@selbendersiinge69. I've got my hands on a barely used Mobula7 1s / Skyzone Cobra X / TX12 MKII combo just to try FPV before investing in the digital (previous owner had quickly decided FPV wasn't for them, thus barely used). All going well I fully intend to move on to Walksnail.
I have DJI (not O3) and HDzero ans Walksnail. Walksnail my fav now. DJI doesn't care about backward compatibility really. HDzero 1s board is great image isn't bad. Voltage goes down to 2.78v vs walksnail shuts off 3.06v but outside 1s whoop walksnail has better image more vtx and camera choices.
19:50 JB showing the world what it's like to have astigmatism.... Literally how the world looks to me all the time at night....
Also make sure you check out night/day/race modes for dvr quality
Fantastic flying and review, Joshua! 😃
That thing in the lights during the night is just lens flare. It happens because of the characteristics of the lens itself, how it's built and so on... But something similar happens even in pictures from the Hubble, for example. (In pictures from the JWST as well, but for different reasons.)
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
smearing is not lens flare. lens flare is a very specifi type of optical fault that occur due to internal reflecton, is it lights repeating or even mirroring one or mulitple times in the picture, sometimes with a star or glow. smearing is from bad coating on the one or more lenses. possibly fogging, but unlikely on such a small lens.
There is probably an optimal setting for saturation/whitebalance/noisereduction etc... To get that good DVR that you can play with in post!
CIVIL TWILIGHT…This is when the Sun's centre is 6° below the horizon, roughly equivalent to Lighting-up time. In the UK, it is between 30 and 60 minutes after sunset. (Google makes me smart 🤪)
And, most importantly, if you're flying at civil twilight, then you're not flying at night, and all the FAA restrictions don't trigger.
It also applies in the morning before sunrise.
@@JoshuaBardwell make sure to mention the LOS rule. A spotter standing next to you while you are wearing fpv goggles is required at all times. You should have mentioned your “camera man” that was present at all times and watching the drone while you were flying.
Onboard DVR 4K is cool and all, but I want 4K in the goggles! Its really cool for keeping the craft under 250g and that may be the reasoning for a system like this
I’m more interested in having a wider FOV in the goggles than more pixels
Great review, I have the DJI V2 goggles and were thinking of putting up with the bad fit and comfort to use the O3 on my LR. But no, I will continue with Walksnail as my primary system. so it will be analog for 65 whoop, HDZero for 75 whoop, Walksnail for flywoo nano baby 1S FR16 and sizes above it up to 5", and DJI for my flying potato scout drone. lot of freakin' systems
Been waiting for this review!
Interesting. It will be interesting to see what if anything DJI releases this year. I'm all analog still, but leaning toward Walksnail and from what I am seeing in this video walksnail is still looking good.
Wait for OpenIPC just like me. Don't waste money on proprietary systems
I've never been so happy that I ordered the Pro camera (yesterday) after debating whether or not I wanted to wait on the Moonlight.
I think an important detail I would've considered in the "should you buy it" section is that you can only use 4k with 60 fps. I think this is a pretty big deal breaker for a lot of people that just can't/don't want to deal with the latency at that frame rate.
Hi JB! Thanks for your opinion, it certainly helps. What would have been interesting to me additionally, since you're mentioning the over-contrastiness of the DVR recording, is having contrast, saturation (and sharpness since we're at it) all the way down and see the effect it has on both the DVR recording and Goggle signal.
It seems like the DVR board does some color corrections before storing the video which it does not pass on to the VTX. So maybe changing color settings on the Goggles has no effect on the DVR video but only on the transmitted signal. Which would be interesting in a way (to decouple DVR from Goggle video) but also disappointing because it would mean that the DVR recording is "as is" with no possibility to fix the unholy oversharpening and contrast..
Thanks a lot again and ofc even more if you have a go at this.
I've learned so much from your videos but I dislike subscription model payments, even for good causes like supporting your channel. But luckily I can support your work at least with a tiny sum via this system so here you go, buy yourself few sets of props 😁
ive only ever used DJi goggles, those goggles have a cool layout, almost like Halo theme
Seems like WS going for the Middle between Action cam and Pure FPV. Also it seems like that the Recording board hardware splits the MIPI CSI stream and record it separately(smart). Thats my guess anyway.
Thorough 👏
12:36 Le DJI: finally a worthy opponent. Unleash the O4
Pretty impressive!
If you ask me about the comparison, the O3 easily loses out.
I’ve always considered O3 to be too damn expensive as a system for a hobbyist, but WS is scoring some decent points here!
Variable latency throws me off a bit when I’m flying, but overall performance is making an argument for including it in my fleet anyway…!
Funny that the Pro is this good, while the ‘moonlight’ sounds like a starlight camera, but gets blown out of the water by the Pro in low light.
This is the best low light camera on the market. Hands down. I'd love to see suggestions for best low light/ daytime light settings
Really need to see this at the NW FPV park and with the LEDs
I'd love an extra hour or two of flying... My polar is down right now...
I've got more polars in stock 👌
I wanted WS to win here, but tbh it reminds me more of the first DJI digital fpv system.
@Joshua Bardwell I noticed in the goggles UI there is an option for Record on Take off. Is there any way that you know of to set the WS to record as soon as they are powered on rather than on take off? Failing a setting could you trick them to think take-off has occured when they're powered on ?
26.00 minutes, 😂😂I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO SHOW US SOMETHING ELSE THEN❤❤
The moonlight has artificial sharpening happening. It looks sharper, but at the expense of image quality. If you want that same look of sharpness you could definitely get it in post with the 03, but as with your contrast example, it’s always better to have the more natural image to start with.
More pleasant?? Aww cmonnn!!😆😆
Can we have more details on what you mentioned on 5:38, connecting to an existing VTX...thats sounds very interesting....Will it be like making it into a "gopro" like case so it can be moved between drones?
Thanks! New to fpv and deciding on new goggles today I already had to learn Betaflight, Edge tx and building a drone. Dealing with the hoopla of the walksnail software and a cable made me decide to get the Dji goggles 2 and go with the 03 system over the walksnail.
Would a polarizing filter on the lens not get rid of the issues with flares?
25:54 was definitely to see how many people stayed until the end.
25:54
Got it, thanks@@jumpstartfpv
CAUTION, the image at 14:42 has the link cable fitted incorrectly, the white wires should be pointing towards the middle of case, where the white spot is. Fortunately it does not seem to cause damage if powered up in this wrong orientation.
How does it differ if you unplug it or if you run out of battery?
are files corrupted if you unplugged while still recording?
is it a good idea to secure plugs with a small blob of silicone glue ? (silicone so it can absorb shock's easily)
You should have mentioned Caddx Tarsier for example.
I guess I should have specified "digital FPV system". You're right that there have been several 4k analog FPV systems.
Buen video.
How are you getting the hovering so smooth? I’m still on a simulator. So I’m new.
Finally this video from you. I was wondering why you haven't posted it yet.
Also, do you know when this will actually be available to ship? All I am seeing is "preorder now!"
In stock from caddx
@@powerstroke01 Yes but that is going to be coming from China which would take 3 weeks to make it to the US. That's probably why a lot of US retailers are only showing "pre-order" because they are still waiting on their shipment to come from China.
As a goggles v2 owner, I'm at a decision purchase point if I'm to switch to WS or take up the goggles 3 and the O4.
Are there any small action cams, like the Runcam Thumb, Walksnail, or similar that can be moded to take bracketed stills for HDR photography while mounted on an FPV drone?
Can you put an Infiray thermal camera on these drones? I have a Dji mini that I’d like to add a small thermal to.
If I'm flying night I still prefer my analog runcam night eagles. 🤫
Thanks for comparison with other cameras, but why you not push iso on O3 to 25600??? With manual settings It can record 4x brighter than you show! It seems that you use auto iso which is 6400 maximum...
If caddx is using their normal m8 lenses they are far superior in sharpness and contrast to the lenses on 03. Caddx lenses are also usually f1.8 or even 1.2! The 03's are f2.4
since the fpv view isnt 4k it each pixel is the light of 4 or even more pixels . therefore the fpv view is brighter and less noisy
In the vr-gaming world we call that "smearing of the lights", god rays.
God rays are actually beams of light coming through the clouds in columns 👍
You can fly at night. Even as a recreational pilot. Just put blinking collision marker lights that can be seen from 3 statute miles on your drone. Part 107 holder have to take an extra test I think.
I can fly at night anytime, by powering up my drone and flying 😂
The front of your lens might have been clean, but what about the back part? Maybe that was causing the smearing. I broke the internal filter on one of my cameras and it looked like water flowing across the lens.
Can I just buy the vtx and use the pro camera I have already? I really just want to be able to use the SD card.
Yewwwww!!!!!!!
I’m officially making the switch from analog to walksnail goggles X and mood cam. The question. Can I power the walksnail vtx directly to a separate lipo battery like I can with analog? Or directly to the jst balance plug with no issues?
Yes you can.
22:18 you took off the ND filter right?
the smearing of the lights, if its not the lens, then seems to be becuase of the CCD pixels gets saturated being so sensitive, and spread the electrons to nearby pixels, but i might be wrong.
Unfortunately, that's not what's going on. You can see when he rolls his quad that the smearing curves in the corners and is not just absolutely straight.
You have the exact same effect when you wipe with your finger from left to right over your phone camera. The grease causes scattering, this is not what you call a lens flare due to bad optics or coating. I am quite certain that lens was clean, but still greasy... sorry JB
Night/low light test are done with ND filters removed right?
Does the EIS work in the goggle to make the live feed smoother?
Yes the ND filters were removed. EIS does not show on the live feed. I think because it would increase latency too much.
Oh wow, they managed to make the USB port situation even worse.
about the smearing effect.. it seems like the moonlight has astigmatism
How you doing Mr Joshua I'm new to the fpv world I have a better fpv cetus x and I downloaded liftoff I'm trying to hook it up to my PS4 any suggestions?
does the moonlight only work with the goggles X or can i use them with my old avatars?
It will work with the old Avatars.
Walksnail have really confused their product line with all the different names and multiple cameras , they have 7 different camera onsale , Avatar HD Nano Camera V3, Avatar HD Mini 1s Lite Camera , Avatar HD Micro Camera, Avatar HD Pro Camera, Avatar HD Camera V2, HD Nano Camera, Walksnail Moonlight
So... first time i see someone complain abut habe too many options.
You know what will be a good video emax tinyhawk 3 plus hd bnf how connect to your old goggles. Please 🙏🙏🙏😂
Did you by chance take the pre-installed ND filter off of the Moonlight Camera when you flew at night? Just curious as it could effect it's night vision i believe🤷🏻 Cheers Bud 🍻
Yes the ND filter was removed. Good question.
Tinygo 4k has entered the chat, lol.
I still rip the shit out of my tinygo also have taken the loris out of a old crashed version and put it in a 2s toothpick I built
You should have showed the 03 in lit parking @ night like you did with the others, the 03 in a lit parking like that is actually really nice
Please test cameras with some DSLR optics testing boards. Thx!
Strange that you indicate a wider fov on the O3 as it got 155 degrés compared to 160dgres annonces by caddx on the Moonlight
Maybe caddx is zooming in more when EIS is on.
@@JoshuaBardwell ok but you say that the problem is the same when using gyro flow. This is why I'm surprised. (I don't intend to use eis but record gyro data for gyro flow)
I haven't personally tested that with gyroflow. It's just speculation based on the built-in EIS result. Maybe gyroflow will have better results. But personally, just from the experience of flying the Moonlight, I don't believe it has wider FOV than the O3. When the O3 is set to ultra-wide, it's ridiculously wide and I always fly at Wide instead. I didn't have that experience with the Moonlight at all.
So I can put the moonlight cam into 1s vtx to increase low light Performance? Sure.. I dont have 4k recording than..
03 half ass OSD and good 4k or good OSD with pretty good 4k hmmm.
is that 8bit ? lots of banding in the sky
Yeah it's 8 bit. Only DJI O3 currently has 10 bit.
Walksnail, or someone needs to beat DJI in at least one category, DJI can't be the king of every product they release. Give us 10-12 bit soon!
Snail 4k No sound recording?
Caddx the epitome of quantity over quality.
They keep releasing new stuff but it seems none of it is any better than they original stuff they released.
The V1 goggles are better than the goggle x
The V1 vtx has better range than the new VTX's.
The firmwares introduce as many problems as they solve and in order to use new VTX's your forced to update.
Honestly I wont be probably building more than 2 long range drones with this system as I need something reliable and the V1 equipment with fw 31 1080p60 sharpening down to 3 exposure +0.3 1200mw is as good an image you can expect from a tiny lens like that.
5km out still holding 11mbits on standard antennas both ends with this v1 setup.
Smearing on your camera lens is dirty.. i tried tge glowing in light.. i tried to wipe sideway and vertical it will follow the wipe print.. and wipe it it with eyeglass cloth its gone and clean..
Buying decision is still very easy if you hate DJI.
So many of us hate DJI, bur continue to buy...cuz it's so good 😂
@@Fly_High_FPVI am guilty 😇. To my defense, back then there was no digital alternative.
Oh great another video to make my decision even harder to make. Went from HDZero then I hear range issues. Ok DJI. Now I just don’t know?
Thanks for the info tho
It’s super hard to decide when you’re starting out. After the goggles x debacle, for me, walksnail is at the bottom of the list. I have DJI and am extremely happy with that decision. I feel like DJI is the most accessible and it’s just gonna work. I think I will end up also getting into HDzero for whoops and low latency. But it seems like the supply for all parts of hdzero are tough to come by. If that was someone’s only system, I think that also needs to be factored in. It would really suck to be grounded due to not being able to purchase a vtx anywhere. Just my 2 cents.
@@mwhizzler476goggle x debacle?
I've been happy with HDZ for my 3.5 and 5 inch quads, but I came from analog so the range difference isn't something I've really noticed.
Isn't there a HDR mode? Isaw a color setting in the recording menu ??? 4k video 10bit as far as I know is HDR LITERALLY what you said about the shadows is only true with NON HDR video, the higher dynamic range gives you both way more shadow detail AND way more contrast AND way more color detail in the bright colors , then you can do ANYTHING to it in post or just see how it looks 50TIMES better (less film like true) but so much detail in darks and brights than non HDR IF the camera IS actually true HDR 10bit capable it will blow your mind the difference but it ALL has to be actual HDR and 10bit
19:51 Dirty/greasy, smudgy/smeary, lens/sensor... on a Caddx camera?! Oh, not surprising at all. Been like that for 6 years already.
I think I’m gonna keep DJI 🎉
Why no one talks about the jello in moonlight and absence of such in O3?
Because they were paying attention to the video... He clearly stated the jello was the quad and apologized.
I don't know how I could have made it more clear. I apologized profusely, explained that the jello was a problem with the quad not the camera, and said I still wanted to look at the footage, then apologized again and begged your indulgence.
I am going to guess English is not your first language and you missed it. No hard feelings.
English is indeed is not my first language! But the reason I asked this question is simple - I was impatient and skipped parts of the video, and in doing so seems like missed the jello explanation. And I apologize for that.
I’m thinking of getting DJI for a small, long range airplane I’m building, if Caddx can figure out how to increase range and penetration to that of DJI, well, there’s no more competition. But who knows? DJI O3 and Goggles are on super sale now, so maybe we’ll see DJI O4 air units soon.
25:54 - teasing preview of Bardwell's future OnlyFans account.
The ease of use of the DJI O3 just blows it out of the water... While Caddx are trying..... producing a sub-par product vs a year plus old product.... keeping to their usual style I guess.
I'm gonna have to disagree. You hook up a walksnail product, hit bind, and fly. There's no registering, activation, etc. Like you have to do with the o3 before you can fly.
@@IamDylinmaybe I'm magic, never registered anything
@TurboThailand I'm not sure where you're from but maybe it's because I'm in USA. It won't connect to the goggles until you register and set it up.
@@IamDylinit's in the name bro 😂
What a convoluted way to update firmware!
Wall sign.
Dick's (store)
Coming soon 😅
Who's idea was that.
Moonlight is over-sharpened, to the point of being harsh on the eyes.
You can turn sharpness down
end of the dji era.
Dogwater. I need lowest latency, highest frame rate and want to record in at least 2k
Nah. O3 stays... :P
O3 looks Way Better
That freeze frame was a set up. Give me another side my side. Exact sand framing when the O3 is not moving so much. Bardwell is mid sideways drift when this screen grab was nabbed
Also, unrecoverable video is pretty bad too.
That pro camera looks pretty good.
I can show you a noisy dji o3 image. Turn that iso up and record at 30 fps 1/30 shutter.
4k is not a description of image quality, the image looks like a no name dashcam :) Even DJI O3 is way better, and O4 is another unvierse.
There is no O4 wtf are you talking about