And probably, the invitation that was stolen by Pocket Picker (Jack's crew) is his. He basically wants to challenge Sett to "give him fatherly lessons", but then get mad at Jack's crew because it's stolen. As for why Samira went to see The Old Timer, it is possible that LeBlanc knows Sett's father's real identity and wants him to "pay" for his betrayal from Noxus. All just my thoughts though hahaha
One detail I feel is missing: In Samira's level-up animation, she is chasing the old timer who is running away. That leads me to believe that he is the one with debt... or maybe because Noxus know he is a deserter and will be there and sent Samira after him.
In one of the old timer's voice lines he literally says that he is fighting in the arena to pay of a debt so hes most likely the person Samira is hunting.
@@lokegerhardsson8979 No he does't say that, he says he wants the price and that he lost evrything once, but he doesn't say he is in dept. Samira could be there for Jack but saw an oportunity since he had bounty on his head and tried to cach him as a bonus.
@@hajnahortobagyi690 your leaving out context to the old timer's voice Lines. In the voice lines of the old timer he multiple times says that he is fighting in the arena for the price money and nothing else. We allso know this due to how the only other reasons the old timer could have for fighting in the arena are eliminated by there own, he is not in the arena to see his family because he has a mask and he is not fighting for Glory because he would not be hiding his identity if he wanted to be known. That means that when he says that he "lost everything" and wants to "Win everything back" he is talking about Winning the price money and paying of a debt.
@@lokegerhardsson8979 Idk, feels like thats jumping to conclusions. I think the point is that we don't know why he is here and he can just by lying. He is wanted so obliviusly he is in trubel, but we don't know why. Also saying he lost evrything can be for many things, infect I feel like its something some one would say if its more then money that they lost. So I just think thats a posibility but not likely.
@@overwhelm876 Maybe because of its flavor text doesn't tell us much. Based on its art, it seems that He/She is one of Jack's crew that stays on Bilgewater when the others set sail to Ionia. His appearance looks a bit like Marai (fishy ears) though.
Jacks level up animation shows his two knuckle rings, KC and AJ, which he use to punch his opponents. This results with them having wounds that spells JACK.
Considering how Samira is chasing down the old timer during her level up, I'm guessing Jack and her story interlocking is just pure coincidence as she was actually after the old timer.
I feel like this could mean also the oposite, if he is wanted, she would be there to cach him for the bounty not to colect dept. So I think Jack is in dept but she saw an oportunity and tried to cach him too.
@@hajnahortobagyi690 He prolly isn't debt, seeing as he has a boxing gig in Bilgewater He had a deal with Tahm Kench though, and he is one of the few that managed to fight back.
@@boxtupos7718 Old timer is preatty much comfirmed to be the one in dept in the mean time, the artist who designed him revealed the concept art for him with the note "don't lend him your money", but then I have no clue why they burning Jacks ship.
The name Old timer also fits in with the lore of Sett's father, in Sett's lore it was mentioned that his father was a superior fighter in the pits. Sett mentioned finding him in the pits just to end up having his first fight the same night he was looking for his dad.
if it wasn't obvious enough that it is indeed sett's father the in game code refers to the card as "Not Sett's father" And when he dies his dying quote is just "tell him" referring to telling Sett that he's his father of course.
FUN FACT: one of the reason Jack's ship can sink (or has a ship) is because his was destroyed (Sunk Cost card) so he made a contract with Tahm Hench( you can see by TAHM KENCH LEVEL UP ANIMATION ) to get his ship going back Edit: pls don't let this go it's a nice info
@@chokeolatte usually tho tahm collects payment when his debtors have run themselves ragged from losing their power/wealth through addiction. Basically he waits till they hit their lowest low after being at their highest high.
There are some details that you forgot to mention, 1 of the interreaction between Sett and the Old Timer which can show some link between the 2: Sett: Hey, you kinda look like someone, someone I hate (his dad) The Old Timer: Oh yeah? Then Why don't we work it out on the ring Also in the video of Interactions, the Old Timer has the nick name: "Definitely not Sett's dad", which can raise some suspicion
@@nidhogg8446 I’m pretty sure they are…sponsored?…by riot to get previews of skins to show off but I doubt riot would tell them if old was setts dad or not
@@claracclenky he's on the Riot Partner Program, which in his case means he gets early access to game files, and nothing much else In theory he gets exclusive chroma to gift but I don't think I've seen that
I seriously hope that Jack becomes a unique and rare case of someone actually making a deal with Tahm Kentch and coming out on top. It would imply Jack to be a serious powerhouse.
I'd really like to know more about Jacks history and how it relates to his deal with Tahm. You see he signed a deal with him during Tahm's lvl up- presumably for the boat, crew and money. But what happens when that deals time is up? What was the deal? Their interactions before were kind of tense, but now they don't have any
@@cartoonishidealism582 the more and more I think about this the more and more lore implications start to slip through. Jack is a loyal imployee of Tahm, but still has the hat that marks him as having a loan to pay Tahm likes his prey to marinate to the point they would feel the most despair at the loss of all they have. He waited for the gamblers happiest point to claim his debt. A possible outcome is that if Jack does win over Sett, Tahm would come to collect his debt- Jack knowing this would tell Tahm not to come Or perhaps at Jack's loss to Sett he would claim it The demons are some of my favorite beings in the Runeterran lore so I hope they get more love. Having a demons disciple get his own card and becoming a champion, it feels kinda bad with all the potential left on the table
Look at the card sunk cost in lor. I believe that that card is what happens at the end of tahms deal. It’s flavor text is interesting. The ship in the card art looks exactly like jacks ship.
Setts dialogue with the old timer goes like: "Hey, you look like someone, someone I hate...." Remember that Sett wants to kick his father ass for abandoning he and his mother, so this can actually be his dad (but on a mask).
Another thing about this "is Samira after Jack or the old timer?" is that Samira is running after the Old Timer in her level up animation. He's an old misterious noxian that we only know is very strong and is not working for noxus. Samira says there's aways a history to it ,a something else (flavor). He was (is) very strong, powerfull, and it being Noxus, my bet is: Samira is after him, probably the story she has is that he was a high ranker that became a dessertor and a lot of ppl didn't take very kindly he leaving. But he actually know of the black rose (he either found out and had to leave for his life or worked with/for them, but he left knowing too much), so, he gotta be dealt with. Why are one of them burning Jack's boat? idk, stylish for the pic and distraction for their actual action?
Necrit, i can't belive You didn't mention that dashing dandy likes Sett's muscles, and he is nervous couse he actualy fancies Sett, AND Sett's quote to Aphelios? HELLO? Alune speaks to Aphelios "You must fight for both of us brother" to wich Sett responds in a SPECIFIC tone "o .. oh i will fight for You Aphelios" ...... HELLO?
The only thing that bothers me is that the story isn't really finished, I really hope they planing on making a short story abaut this or caping it off some how in the future.
I hope you make a video discussing bilgewater’s “humanoid species” AKA the fish people. Because they’re never said to be vastaya and I don’t know if it’s like an alistar situation, where they’re just a different thing from vastaya.
"want another swing at the champ" and "who wants a piece of the champ" jaques and jax both sound so extremely similar that riot either became even more lazy (you know, just copy pasta) or they try something/hide something between those two. maybe relatives, friends, or even the same person just in hiding
To be fair, the only non-canon cards in LoR are the J4 cards with Cithria Lady of the clouds. Otherwise, any card that doesn't have supporting universe stories are simply depicting future stories.
Something to point out / maybe think about with the story the cards tell (at least, for who Samira is after) - The person that Samira is hunting down isn't Jack, or at least not fully Jack, since I didn't check Infernas card art to see it was Jacks ship in the background, but in Samiras level up animation the first frame of it shows a picture of The Old Timer, and then has her chasing after him. Maybe that's why (if he is actually Setts father) he left, because he had a debt he had to pay and he couldn't pay it back in time so he left and went "off the grid" as it were, and only recently came back to which Indari instantly got Samira the job to go after him. If anyone pieces it better to make more sense, that'd be better. I just think it makes sense seeing how Samira was hired to go to Setts fighting arena to claim debt from someone there. Possibly a fighter. And since Sett even has a voiceline with Jack where he says "I've never heard of you", hence his not inviting Jack, it'd make more sense that he's heard of The Old Timer and invited him out to fight. Samiras agent got the information that The Old Timer would be heading to that particular area for what seems to be a massive fight. Jack being there is just a coincidence.
15:26 If this man is supposed to be Sett's father, he should be a full human and not a vastaya because Sett is specifically a half vastaya and human hybrid. That was a core part in his story that he was rejected by both humans and vastaya. I think the mask is just there to reference his connection to Sett.
I think the mask is there to throw off suspicion. The ears aren't real, they're just part of the costume. But he is a regular human under the mask. His mother is full Vastayan.
I beliefe Father Fury is a very smart reference to Akira (1988) and that also his magic is ferromancy, since all that is atracted to him are made out of metal, so...Rell will be a card?
Thank you for covering this, I really do like this expansion and lore to it so thank you for explaining it ❤ I don't think some lines are Canon though like sett has a line to aphelios for a nod at the whole popular ship like garen and katarina but I still see this as a "what if " and riot could make it Canon since aphelios is travelling to ionia for diana to ask why she left her people so I hope riot explains it as I really like this ship
Come on Necrit. You know that is definitely not Sett's father. It's even in the code. And you can see who Samira trying to find in her level up animation.
I dont really play legends of runeterra but its such a nice thing to have since they give you random missing lore or cinematics on champs you might main
I wouldn't be surprised if she knew he was hiding something. I think she doesn't bring it up because she knows he wants to protect her and give her a good life, so she understands he's doing it because he loves her.
Hot take on Father Fury: This man is actually just Heimerdinger letting off some steam and being influenced by Ziggs. Look at him! He looks like heimer. The only one who could get him to make a little mech suit for the purpose of fighting is 100% Ziggs.
Okay this video had some missing details or explanations so let me sum them up from other comments as well as myself: - Fighters' order is: Dashing Dandy vs Pit Professional -> Pit professional destroys him -> Nukkle, Mako & Bull fight her and win (prob because they just want to fight) -> They go back -> Jack & Sett enter the arena and fight. - As some have pointed out, Samira is running after the Old Timer in her lvl up, in which, right at the beginning, we see what looks like some "WANTED posters" of the Old Timer in Noxian. This suggests that Samira is going after him. Also the voicelines heavily implies this as well. - In the Old Timer art we see him beating up Nukkle when Samira is approaching him, and taking into account that the lvl up animation is happening at the border of the arena this is likely happening during Jack vs Sett combat. - Inferna is not the only one destroying Jack's boat, Father Fury is also doing so. To me this is strange because those are Samira's followers but are Bilgewater cards. Also no reason why they are doing that, does Samira know who's Jack? Some more trivia: - Another Bilgewater card tied with Samira is Brazen Buccaneer, which we can see her trying to steal Setts coins, the wired fence(?) in the art is the same as in Attentive Accountant, although it is not him she is threatening, prob just a worker. Again, no apparent reason. - Dame the Despoiler is jumping into the arena as soon us Dashing Dandy is defeated, but we do not see any of this in any other card. - Bull is fighting Elegant Edge, I think this is happening during the chaos of Samira's chase. - Pocket Picker is stealing from Angel (a card from this expansion that wasn't showed here). - In the Five-Punch Pablo art we see him, in the Ionian arena, assisting Jack who is beaten up, so Sett's fight was rough.
Jack's ship is destroyed in one of LOR's old cards and Tham tells him something about their deal... so Jack is actually dead? or at least he no longer has a boat?
In Samiras levelup you can see her chasing old timer, and there is even voice line of sett where he has a suspision on the old timer "you look like someone i hate" he says.
It can be a bait, to make us think he's Sett's father, but actually his close friend, who knew very well Sett's mother as well. All this to keep the mystery about Sett's father. Mysteries are always nice to have around lores. I'm more interested in Jack becoming a champion in LOL. Would be a very nice juggernaut.
Also of note: It really does look like Samira is chasing after "Old Timer". In Samira's level up animation you can see when she starts chasing after her target and the person running away looks a lot like him.
sett's father maybe abandon him and his ma because the debt. i mean he possibly have a debt to the black rose, and you dont want someone you care about get in the crossfire, based on the interaction sett's father seems to care for him, although just a litte (in the beast boy bastard interaction).
Noxians can be Vastaya but don't Sett's voicelines pretty much explicitly state he's half Vastayan on his mother's side? That sort of "Too Furry for Humans, too smooth for the Vastaya" kind of deal that marks his issues as a "Beast Boy Bastard"
Now I want a team up between Sett, Samira, Sett’s dad and someone else. They could be like the guardians of the galaxy esq. a bunch of rough and tumble people trying to bring down Jack and his crime.
I'm really happy that we get some more lore about Sett since he's my second main. But out of every champion we really need to know something about yorick after.... what happened. And for shaco yes...
according to Jack's victory quote he is in fact there just to fight for the belt so he may not be the one that is Samira is looking for, so it only means that it is the Old Timer who is the one Samira is looking
Bull only lost the hand. In the Card he still has the arm with which he struck his opponent. It’s shaded light grey. The hand he lost is the bandaged one
Don't know if someone already said it, but some of Sett's quotes start with "If I ever meet my old timer.." As well as in Wild Rift, the Supreme Cells skin has almost the same quote
Well, samira is going after the old timer in her level up animation. I think he desserted and the black rose is sending samira for him and in the way she will get the Jacks bounty
Father fury’s arm doesn’t look like a skeleton- the hand’s missing several digits, the base of the arm is indeed fleshy, but also striped and the palm is glowing. My guess would be he’s a fish person, y’know, like all the other bilgewater units from this expansion, but the humanlike beard and the plenty of clothing serves to dissuade that. It being magic seems solid though, cause the alternative would be just staggeringly Op electrical powers being natural for his brand of fish.
considering how riot didnt have problems making characters that were similar, as yone and yasuo, i wouldnt be surprised if they brought sett's father into the mix. with a kit similar to sett's with a twist, obviusly. that way they could portrait him being more skillful, since he is more experienced. not meaning sett is weaker, just that his father would have more traits and perks that could use in his fighting style. i think they could do like a charged version of setts skills, or maybe making him cover a different direction that the fighting style couldnt showcase.
Maybe samira an her group through that jack was the debt owner but in actualy it was the old guy, both are in the run from somewhere and both are suspicious
Has anybody noticed the new Main Menu screen art? The one with what seems like a an old lizard(?)-man in red robe holding a cane? He has an orange glowing horn and beside him is a floating fire spirit dragon. If anybody has noticed that screen art, is that a hint of a new champion? Something else?
10:00 I know I probably speculate to much here, but the first time I saw Father Fury I thought that it was Zilean and personally I would really love that to be true. Perhaps Zilean managed to find that powers in his journey around time and it destroyed his body, but I admit that I have no proof.
I thiknk its almost certain that he is his dad... even listen to that accent. They sound so similar its insane. The way he talks to sett is also a huge indication. Sett saying what would you know about my ma? strongly indicates that he is mad at him for being an absent father.
In samira's level up you can see her running after the old timer, she's collecting the debt from him
The dad gone with milk 💀
yeah you can eve see a wanted poster of the old timer at the start of the animation... how necrit missed this?
And probably, the invitation that was stolen by Pocket Picker (Jack's crew) is his.
He basically wants to challenge Sett to "give him fatherly lessons", but then get mad at Jack's crew because it's stolen.
As for why Samira went to see The Old Timer, it is possible that LeBlanc knows Sett's father's real identity and wants him to "pay" for his betrayal from Noxus.
All just my thoughts though hahaha
@@gexianhen Well, he did miss many times in the past.
@@gexianhen He does this constantly with runeterra cards... basic lack of research chasing after youtube metrics
Man, LOR artwork is so damn good for lore reveal. I tune in everytime like a new manga chapter.
Ikr bro I am very amazed with their art and I even look at to google that "the most badass lor card" and is not disappointed me
@@randombluet-shirtguy2387look up Xolaani the Bloodweaver and Aspect's Bane.
One detail I feel is missing: In Samira's level-up animation, she is chasing the old timer who is running away. That leads me to believe that he is the one with debt... or maybe because Noxus know he is a deserter and will be there and sent Samira after him.
In one of the old timer's voice lines he literally says that he is fighting in the arena to pay of a debt so hes most likely the person Samira is hunting.
@@lokegerhardsson8979 Oh ya that pretty much confirms it
@@lokegerhardsson8979 No he does't say that, he says he wants the price and that he lost evrything once, but he doesn't say he is in dept.
Samira could be there for Jack but saw an oportunity since he had bounty on his head and tried to cach him as a bonus.
@@hajnahortobagyi690 your leaving out context to the old timer's voice Lines.
In the voice lines of the old timer he multiple times says that he is fighting in the arena for the price money and nothing else. We allso know this due to how the only other reasons the old timer could have for fighting in the arena are eliminated by there own, he is not in the arena to see his family because he has a mask and he is not fighting for Glory because he would not be hiding his identity if he wanted to be known.
That means that when he says that he "lost everything" and wants to "Win everything back" he is talking about Winning the price money and paying of a debt.
@@lokegerhardsson8979 Idk, feels like thats jumping to conclusions. I think the point is that we don't know why he is here and he can just by lying. He is wanted so obliviusly he is in trubel, but we don't know why.
Also saying he lost evrything can be for many things, infect I feel like its something some one would say if its more then money that they lost.
So I just think thats a posibility but not likely.
Sett is actually suspicious. Sett has a line towards his father: "You remind me of someone. Someone I hate."
Hopefully it's just personality, and those idiots didn't forget that Sett's father is a human, not a vastaya.
@@marmyeater the old timer is not a vastaya he just wears a costume my guy
@@marmyeater Its called a mask, honey, he literally doesn't want to be recognized...
@@marmyeater the oldtimer is human noxian as the Master Bingwen asked: "Noxus send all his fighters masked?"
@@marmyeater you really saw those batman ears and thought he was vastaya?
Jack could make a cool dungeon boss for the MMO tbh. Notthing crazy in power level, but is a strong character that could be a boss.
Ooh, considering previous cards he might be good as a Miniboss you fight on the way to Tahm Kench
Its seems that Jack was killed by Sett
A lot of MMOs have underwater maps, he could be one of the bosses since he's a fish person and has a sick submarine
He could be a nice juggernaut in lol.
I realy like how this exp comes right after world ending darkin war
Hoping we'll get his mom next. Their interactions would be crazy
"Another scar, Sett? What are you doing out there?"
"It's Ionia, ma. Building's dangerous over here."
He didn’t talk anything about Angel…
@@overwhelm876 who?
@@overwhelm876 Maybe because of its flavor text doesn't tell us much. Based on its art, it seems that He/She is one of Jack's crew that stays on Bilgewater when the others set sail to Ionia.
His appearance looks a bit like Marai (fishy ears) though.
*Plot twist:* Sett’s mom hired Samira to go after Sett’s dad to collect child support
Jacks level up animation shows his two knuckle rings, KC and AJ, which he use to punch his opponents. This results with them having wounds that spells JACK.
Considering how Samira is chasing down the old timer during her level up, I'm guessing Jack and her story interlocking is just pure coincidence as she was actually after the old timer.
I feel like this could mean also the oposite, if he is wanted, she would be there to cach him for the bounty not to colect dept. So I think Jack is in dept but she saw an oportunity and tried to cach him too.
as Riven proved... Noxus doesn't really let you leave.
@@hajnahortobagyi690 He prolly isn't debt, seeing as he has a boxing gig in Bilgewater
He had a deal with Tahm Kench though, and he is one of the few that managed to fight back.
@@boxtupos7718 Old timer is preatty much comfirmed to be the one in dept in the mean time, the artist who designed him revealed the concept art for him with the note "don't lend him your money", but then I have no clue why they burning Jacks ship.
@@hajnahortobagyi690they're probably burning it after or during their fight with his crew because of the fight
The name Old timer also fits in with the lore of Sett's father, in Sett's lore it was mentioned that his father was a superior fighter in the pits. Sett mentioned finding him in the pits just to end up having his first fight the same night he was looking for his dad.
if it wasn't obvious enough that it is indeed sett's father the in game code refers to the card as "Not Sett's father" And when he dies his dying quote is just "tell him" referring to telling Sett that he's his father of course.
his dying quote is intentionally a parallel to Sett's dying quote (in lol) "Tell my pa... I hate him."
@@jeffmadmastermind3907 lmao
Where do you see the setts code from?
FUN FACT: one of the reason Jack's ship can sink (or has a ship) is because his was destroyed (Sunk Cost card) so he made a contract with Tahm Hench( you can see by TAHM KENCH LEVEL UP ANIMATION ) to get his ship going back
Edit: pls don't let this go it's a nice info
Jack's description in Path of Champions also mentions a close bond with Tahm Kench as well
he's gonna get eaten by tahm when it's his time to get rotated frfr
isn't that how tahm collects his payment?
@@chokeolatte usually tho tahm collects payment when his debtors have run themselves ragged from losing their power/wealth through addiction. Basically he waits till they hit their lowest low after being at their highest high.
Wow
@@chokeolatte Tomas is his friend, they have interactions together
I am happy you cleared the reason why Samira's crew are themed after elegant stuff and roses . I didnt know. Also, I missed the sett quotes
Random trivia: Sett’s English VA Xander Mobus also voiced the announcer in Smash Ultimate and Joker in Persona 5.
@Redemption Games Old Timer's VA is definitely Silco's VA from arcane too
@Redemption Games I thought he was Runeterra Batman.
13:35 yes, Samira's level up animation strongly suggests The Old Timer is her target.
The joseph joestar of lol
But sett is dio soooooo it's a jojo reference?
There are some details that you forgot to mention, 1 of the interreaction between Sett and the Old Timer which can show some link between the 2:
Sett: Hey, you kinda look like someone, someone I hate (his dad)
The Old Timer: Oh yeah? Then Why don't we work it out on the ring
Also in the video of Interactions, the Old Timer has the nick name: "Definitely not Sett's dad", which can raise some suspicion
lor doesn't post videos of interactions. . .
SkinSpotlights is independent from Riot and he likes to have his fun with these things
@@dominicguye8058 other channels do.
@@nidhogg8446 I’m pretty sure they are…sponsored?…by riot to get previews of skins to show off but I doubt riot would tell them if old was setts dad or not
@@claracclenky he's on the Riot Partner Program, which in his case means he gets early access to game files, and nothing much else
In theory he gets exclusive chroma to gift but I don't think I've seen that
Samira is hunting the Old Timer ( Sett's father). in her level up animation we can see her chasing after him , as he runs away from her
It isnt sett's father
I seriously hope that Jack becomes a unique and rare case of someone actually making a deal with Tahm Kentch and coming out on top.
It would imply Jack to be a serious powerhouse.
When Old Timer dies in game he says “Tell him.” as his last words, basically confirming it for me with context to all the other quotes.
I love the voice lines of all the pit fighter cards etc
The interactions are awesome
I love setts interactions with jack and his maybe father
I'd really like to know more about Jacks history and how it relates to his deal with Tahm. You see he signed a deal with him during Tahm's lvl up- presumably for the boat, crew and money. But what happens when that deals time is up? What was the deal? Their interactions before were kind of tense, but now they don't have any
He has one line where he says he warned Tahm “Not to follow him”
@@cartoonishidealism582 the more and more I think about this the more and more lore implications start to slip through.
Jack is a loyal imployee of Tahm, but still has the hat that marks him as having a loan to pay
Tahm likes his prey to marinate to the point they would feel the most despair at the loss of all they have. He waited for the gamblers happiest point to claim his debt. A possible outcome is that if Jack does win over Sett, Tahm would come to collect his debt- Jack knowing this would tell Tahm not to come
Or perhaps at Jack's loss to Sett he would claim it
The demons are some of my favorite beings in the Runeterran lore so I hope they get more love. Having a demons disciple get his own card and becoming a champion, it feels kinda bad with all the potential left on the table
Look at the card sunk cost in lor. I believe that that card is what happens at the end of tahms deal. It’s flavor text is interesting. The ship in the card art looks exactly like jacks ship.
didnt he make a deal to always win? hence the nickname Jack the winner
@@diothesquealer6173 that is an amazing connection, I never noticed it before, Kudos homie
Setts dialogue with the old timer goes like:
"Hey, you look like someone, someone I hate...."
Remember that Sett wants to kick his father ass for abandoning he and his mother, so this can actually be his dad (but on a mask).
Another thing about this "is Samira after Jack or the old timer?" is that Samira is running after the Old Timer in her level up animation. He's an old misterious noxian that we only know is very strong and is not working for noxus. Samira says there's aways a history to it ,a something else (flavor). He was (is) very strong, powerfull, and it being Noxus, my bet is: Samira is after him, probably the story she has is that he was a high ranker that became a dessertor and a lot of ppl didn't take very kindly he leaving. But he actually know of the black rose (he either found out and had to leave for his life or worked with/for them, but he left knowing too much), so, he gotta be dealt with. Why are one of them burning Jack's boat? idk, stylish for the pic and distraction for their actual action?
In the old timers death quote he says “tell him” which most likely refers to Sett and that they should let him know his real identity
Necrit, i can't belive You didn't mention that dashing dandy likes Sett's muscles, and he is nervous couse he actualy fancies Sett, AND Sett's quote to Aphelios? HELLO?
Alune speaks to Aphelios "You must fight for both of us brother" to wich Sett responds in a SPECIFIC tone "o .. oh i will fight for You Aphelios" ...... HELLO?
The only thing that bothers me is that the story isn't really finished, I really hope they planing on making a short story abaut this or caping it off some how in the future.
I hope you make a video discussing bilgewater’s “humanoid species” AKA the fish people. Because they’re never said to be vastaya and I don’t know if it’s like an alistar situation, where they’re just a different thing from vastaya.
Maybe the next father to be revealed is Kog's "daddy", man, one can dream
I think it’s implied that Kog’s “daddy” is supposed to be Malzahar.
But who knows if Riot is ever actually gonna do anything with that
"want another swing at the champ"
and
"who wants a piece of the champ"
jaques
and
jax
both sound so extremely similar that riot either became even more lazy (you know, just copy pasta) or they try something/hide something between those two. maybe relatives, friends, or even the same person just in hiding
To be fair, the only non-canon cards in LoR are the J4 cards with Cithria Lady of the clouds. Otherwise, any card that doesn't have supporting universe stories are simply depicting future stories.
Something to point out / maybe think about with the story the cards tell (at least, for who Samira is after) -
The person that Samira is hunting down isn't Jack, or at least not fully Jack, since I didn't check Infernas card art to see it was Jacks ship in the background, but in Samiras level up animation the first frame of it shows a picture of The Old Timer, and then has her chasing after him. Maybe that's why (if he is actually Setts father) he left, because he had a debt he had to pay and he couldn't pay it back in time so he left and went "off the grid" as it were, and only recently came back to which Indari instantly got Samira the job to go after him.
If anyone pieces it better to make more sense, that'd be better. I just think it makes sense seeing how Samira was hired to go to Setts fighting arena to claim debt from someone there. Possibly a fighter. And since Sett even has a voiceline with Jack where he says "I've never heard of you", hence his not inviting Jack, it'd make more sense that he's heard of The Old Timer and invited him out to fight. Samiras agent got the information that The Old Timer would be heading to that particular area for what seems to be a massive fight. Jack being there is just a coincidence.
Setts dad sounds and looks like leagues version of batman
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If this man is supposed to be Sett's father, he should be a full human and not a vastaya because Sett is specifically a half vastaya and human hybrid. That was a core part in his story that he was rejected by both humans and vastaya. I think the mask is just there to reference his connection to Sett.
What about the possibility that both his parent were half and half like him?
@@nezoprime4276 What part of HALF human and HALF vastaya do you not understand?
I think the mask is there to throw off suspicion. The ears aren't real, they're just part of the costume. But he is a regular human under the mask. His mother is full Vastayan.
@@nem3732 If both his parents were half Vas, half humans he would also still be half Vas/Half Human.
@@thod8820 i know this is basic Biology but i’m still wonder. Is there any chance for a pure blood Vastayan born from Half Vastayan parents ?
As a Sett Main I am hooked by this possibility.
he even got a voiceline flirting with aphelios XD love him
@@avisli8327 Exactly 💯 👏
"As a Sett Main I am hooke..." ~ vgyguv
Sry, inner Darkin folk joke.
As a sett main . Hate that sett bein fqn gay or bi .. no bi is cool but gay bruh cmon .. world is so fqed up
So the old timer tricked sett ma with his mask with ears into believing he is vastayan 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I beliefe Father Fury is a very smart reference to Akira (1988) and that also his magic is ferromancy, since all that is atracted to him are made out of metal, so...Rell will be a card?
Thank you for covering this, I really do like this expansion and lore to it so thank you for explaining it ❤
I don't think some lines are Canon though like sett has a line to aphelios for a nod at the whole popular ship like garen and katarina but I still see this as a "what if " and riot could make it Canon since aphelios is travelling to ionia for diana to ask why she left her people so I hope riot explains it as I really like this ship
Come on Necrit. You know that is definitely not Sett's father. It's even in the code.
And you can see who Samira trying to find in her level up animation.
So the King's Court is essentially the Flying Dutchman.
Father Fury is also destroying Jack's ship, you can see the wheel behind him that is the same as the one Jack is steering in the old bab's card.
I dont really play legends of runeterra but its such a nice thing to have since they give you random missing lore or cinematics on champs you might main
as a sett main and sett being my fav champion in leaguse this story is awesome and has so much potential. also love setts crew.
he is named settsnotfather and samira is trying to catch him in her level up
You missed the best quote, when the weteran dies he sometimes says: "tell him..."
I'd be shock if Sett's mother knew about him being the Arena owner this whole time and never spoke anything regarding to it
I wouldn't be surprised if she knew he was hiding something. I think she doesn't bring it up because she knows he wants to protect her and give her a good life, so she understands he's doing it because he loves her.
My headcanon.
Jack, his crew and his ship gives me high vibes of Davy Jones and the flying dutchman.
Dashing dandy looks like space dandy proove me wrong 🤔
Thanks for covering the lore Necrit! It was very interesting and enlightening :)
Hot take on Father Fury:
This man is actually just Heimerdinger letting off some steam and being influenced by Ziggs. Look at him! He looks like heimer. The only one who could get him to make a little mech suit for the purpose of fighting is 100% Ziggs.
I want him as a playable character.
Next up on LoR: Shaco's missing lore
Okay this video had some missing details or explanations so let me sum them up from other comments as well as myself:
- Fighters' order is: Dashing Dandy vs Pit Professional -> Pit professional destroys him -> Nukkle, Mako & Bull fight her and win (prob because they just want to fight) -> They go back -> Jack & Sett enter the arena and fight.
- As some have pointed out, Samira is running after the Old Timer in her lvl up, in which, right at the beginning, we see what looks like some "WANTED posters" of the Old Timer in Noxian. This suggests that Samira is going after him. Also the voicelines heavily implies this as well.
- In the Old Timer art we see him beating up Nukkle when Samira is approaching him, and taking into account that the lvl up animation is happening at the border of the arena this is likely happening during Jack vs Sett combat.
- Inferna is not the only one destroying Jack's boat, Father Fury is also doing so. To me this is strange because those are Samira's followers but are Bilgewater cards. Also no reason why they are doing that, does Samira know who's Jack?
Some more trivia:
- Another Bilgewater card tied with Samira is Brazen Buccaneer, which we can see her trying to steal Setts coins, the wired fence(?) in the art is the same as in Attentive Accountant, although it is not him she is threatening, prob just a worker. Again, no apparent reason.
- Dame the Despoiler is jumping into the arena as soon us Dashing Dandy is defeated, but we do not see any of this in any other card.
- Bull is fighting Elegant Edge, I think this is happening during the chaos of Samira's chase.
- Pocket Picker is stealing from Angel (a card from this expansion that wasn't showed here).
- In the Five-Punch Pablo art we see him, in the Ionian arena, assisting Jack who is beaten up, so Sett's fight was rough.
Jack's ship is destroyed in one of LOR's old cards and Tham tells him something about their deal... so Jack is actually dead? or at least he no longer has a boat?
Plus: He uses a luchador (Mexican wrestler) mask, and set ultimate is kinda a wrestling move.
In Samiras levelup you can see her chasing old timer, and there is even voice line of sett where he has a suspision on the old timer "you look like someone i hate" he says.
It can be a bait, to make us think he's Sett's father, but actually his close friend, who knew very well Sett's mother as well. All this to keep the mystery about Sett's father. Mysteries are always nice to have around lores.
I'm more interested in Jack becoming a champion in LOL. Would be a very nice juggernaut.
Also of note: It really does look like Samira is chasing after "Old Timer". In Samira's level up animation you can see when she starts chasing after her target and the person running away looks a lot like him.
sett's father maybe abandon him and his ma because the debt. i mean he possibly have a debt to the black rose, and you dont want someone you care about get in the crossfire, based on the interaction sett's father seems to care for him, although just a litte (in the beast boy bastard interaction).
4:55 nice jack voice mimic hahahahahah u're amazing dude
After seeing Jack, we really need a Shark man bruiser.
Also the old man's death quote is "tell him"
Important to note that samira hunts “sets father” in her level up
Noxians can be Vastaya but don't Sett's voicelines pretty much explicitly state he's half Vastayan on his mother's side? That sort of "Too Furry for Humans, too smooth for the Vastaya" kind of deal that marks his issues as a "Beast Boy Bastard"
I think you forgot to look at the level up animations. In Samira's she's chasing after the old timer, seems like he's the debtor
Now I want a team up between Sett, Samira, Sett’s dad and someone else. They could be like the guardians of the galaxy esq. a bunch of rough and tumble people trying to bring down Jack and his crime.
sett, samira, sett's dad and throw in jax in there because I think interactions between sett and Jax would be interesting.
I love Dashing Dandy and his Space Dandy hair! 😆
I'm really happy that we get some more lore about Sett since he's my second main.
But out of every champion we really need to know something about yorick after.... what happened.
And for shaco yes...
Oh…shaco….Honestly if there was a champ to delete from the game I’d say shaco
I literally forgot about him until you mentioned him (and so did riot lol)
@@claracclenky shaco or yorick?
@@TerraLuna2001 The clown lol
This is kinda bittersweet for me. I was on the Draven is Sett's father train
you didnt put in the voice line where sett says "You look like someone, someone I HATE" which really sells that he is his father
My man's dodging child support even when he's not asked to pay child support.
according to Jack's victory quote he is in fact there just to fight for the belt so he may not be the one that is Samira is looking for, so it only means that it is the Old Timer who is the one Samira is looking
Bull only lost the hand. In the Card he still has the arm with which he struck his opponent. It’s shaded light grey. The hand he lost is the bandaged one
Don't know if someone already said it, but some of Sett's quotes start with
"If I ever meet my old timer.."
As well as in Wild Rift, the Supreme Cells skin has almost the same quote
Dashing dandy having a knife that's also a comb... amazing weapons indeed.
Well, samira is going after the old timer in her level up animation. I think he desserted and the black rose is sending samira for him and in the way she will get the Jacks bounty
Poor pit professional, got caught by surprise and mangled by 2 fishes and a octopus thing
Jack NEEDS to become a League champion. Such a cool design and story mustn’t go to waste.
You probably missed it but internally the old timer is called "Sett's NOT Dad"
a split second when the lvl up animation from samira begins u see a target paper from the old timer and she is chasing him.
The more I learn about runeterra lore, the more I want an offical TTRPG book in this universe. Or I will just do it myself, I guess.
13:27 " I am vengeance! I am the night! I am......"
0:27 well you know what they say: sire a child, die in the wild
the only thing that gets sett mad is if someone says something about his mom lovely
Samira is Dante confirmed. Now all we need is her motivated sister thirsting for more POWER.
One thing I noticed about "the old timer": In samiras level up animation he is chasing The old timer, so he is probably the one in debt.
I have to point out Father Fury is in Jack's ship. You can sort of guess when you look at the destruction around Father Fury.
just watched skin spotlights voice lines and thought about him. Necrit already at it xD
4:20 The Dutchman must always have a captain.
Father fury’s arm doesn’t look like a skeleton- the hand’s missing several digits, the base of the arm is indeed fleshy, but also striped and the palm is glowing.
My guess would be he’s a fish person, y’know, like all the other bilgewater units from this expansion, but the humanlike beard and the plenty of clothing serves to dissuade that.
It being magic seems solid though, cause the alternative would be just staggeringly Op electrical powers being natural for his brand of fish.
considering how riot didnt have problems making characters that were similar, as yone and yasuo, i wouldnt be surprised if they brought sett's father into the mix. with a kit similar to sett's with a twist, obviusly. that way they could portrait him being more skillful, since he is more experienced. not meaning sett is weaker, just that his father would have more traits and perks that could use in his fighting style. i think they could do like a charged version of setts skills, or maybe making him cover a different direction that the fighting style couldnt showcase.
Elder Souma being Yasuo’s father would be a total mind fuse
Father Fury might be more science than magic, considering his lightning is drawn to the metallic objects.
Maybe samira an her group through that jack was the debt owner but in actualy it was the old guy, both are in the run from somewhere and both are suspicious
After hearing "Oh but i do mind" I had to search up his voice lines ing and GYAAT DAYUM
Sett's father is... batman?
That's what I'm bouta say
Muah, love the chime! My favorite bit about LoR.❤
Has anybody noticed the new Main Menu screen art? The one with what seems like a an old lizard(?)-man in red robe holding a cane? He has an orange glowing horn and beside him is a floating fire spirit dragon. If anybody has noticed that screen art, is that a hint of a new champion? Something else?
It’s for a dragonmancer event
10:00 I know I probably speculate to much here, but the first time I saw Father Fury I thought that it was Zilean and personally I would really love that to be true. Perhaps Zilean managed to find that powers in his journey around time and it destroyed his body, but I admit that I have no proof.
I thiknk its almost certain that he is his dad... even listen to that accent. They sound so similar its insane. The way he talks to sett is also a huge indication. Sett saying what would you know about my ma? strongly indicates that he is mad at him for being an absent father.
You forgot Katarina missing father.
So many parents issues in this universe
Her father killed by swain . Her father tried to kill Katarina and swain swooped in and killed him it’s on her comic bio.