Sett - The Most Controversial Juggernaut | League of Legends
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ส.ค. 2021
- Since there were quite a number of comments contesting my stance on Sett being a reasonably designed champion (at least compared to all the other contemporary ones), I decided to make a video explaining what I mean! :D
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THE BIGGEST JOJO REFERENCE EVER!
The most satisfying ORAORA's on the rift 😫
big bang theory levels of "epic gamer moment"
if you play with japanese audio he is a literally dio
NO NO NO NO
@@XShadowzVarcolac his voice actor is the same as dio's
My newbie friends dont stare at me blankly when i explain sett to them unlike other champions so I’d say he’s simple.
Bro my friend only knows one champ.
Simplely overloaded
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Me: Let me be your unworthy pupil, master Ekko ⏳
@@30SecondsToRini it’s a patreon or channel membership reward
@@vaderbuckeye36 thanks for clarifying this beautiful illusion 😭
I love Skooch’s explanation of sett
A DUDE WHO PUNCH HARD, AND WHEN YOU PUNCH HIM HE PUNCH MORE HARD
Yeah thats how we should explain Sett to new players lol
Nerf him and the players will punch you hard!
Sett does a pig punch, olaf punches more, warwick punches back to full
@@PinkOrangeOrangePink and 2 of those are widely played in diamond and above.
Like playing musical chairs where the ground is made of Legos and there's a land mine on the chair
He's simple, but simple enough to make the enemy miserable
@John Weeb you
Its simple, ged gud wen fig him
Vars: “Mathematically Correct Sett” meme
DeepLeague: *my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined*
Poor ross, never given credit
Right lmao Ross and deepleague deserve better
Ross and Deep League deserve so much more credit
Almost everyone knows who made it though
@@owo4470 but they should still say it
he feels like an old school top laner. thats what i like about him. he just has these periods in combat where he feels busted. similar to old Ryse
Old Ryze was removed from the game for a good reason, and then 9.12 removed the good version smh.
@@stickystevie9047 Personally Ryze's second rework was my favorite version. Realm Warp isn't something I ever felt he needed. I liked the cooldown-reset style of Arcane Mastery from his first two reworks and I think with Ability Haste it could be balanced to be okay. His dumb EWQ shield pattern from his later reworks weren't necessary at all either. I liked that he only had good sustain in specific instances in lane too. It made his top-lane game fair from both sides.
@@GrimoireM it was w e q and it wasn t the only thing. His third rework was the best. He stopped being just cassiopeia but worse. New ryze has much more skill expression then pressing R and facerolling. I would love to see him be a part of the meta.
Slightly overtuned… maybe. I can’t hate him though, his design just has so much swagger
The swagger of a jojo reference turned LoL champion
As a top laner I very much can hate him. He has caused me to lose more hair than any other champ.
@@tygr6701 it took me awhile to learn not to all in him, especially if he has more than half health. You gotta chip away at him, not let him build up grit
Only the numbers are a bit crazy, but Sett is not Akali, 200 years or Yuumi level etc.
what numbers? his W is the only ability in his kit with good numbers.
You do realize all a champ needs to be considered a 200 yrs is one single ability right
@@ngnl_irisoul pretty much, just remembering Akali perma invi under tower makes me shudder
@@ngnl_irisoul One ability is not what most players consider 200 years. Several champs have 1 defining ability that creates their whole identity, but that ability is coherent with their subclass and has counter-play/requires setup.
Akshan's passive alone is an an entire novel, and the amount of gimmicks he has on every ability pushes the 200 year bar to a maximum.
@@Justin73791 akshan may be overloaded but i mean everyone of his spell does as really clear counter play compared to the novel of his ability desc but at least he doesn’t build full tank to press one key and do litteraly 100% hp bar of anything with less than 2k with a ranged move on aoe while giving himself a steraks gage proc and regenerating a lot cause of his passive and just in case you would want to tell me just side step flash E W is virtually unavoidable if you are at 650 range
Sett's inherent health regen is the reason he is not really weak to poke damage.
Exactly, he gives the example of GP, but Sett heals so much and gp has very limited mana. And if kench doesn't hit every Q then you can't poke him out. He's strong, but he's not overloaded.
Yeah, the lower you get sett the more his passive heals him, so after visage, when he’s low and pops his W (for like 3 steraks procs worth of shield) he’ll have healed back to more than half health. Only nasus can *consistently* beat good sett players, bad sett players are just bad players.
This is my issue. He already has the benefit of being manaless, having sustained dps, strong burst, and a potentially massive shield if you all in him. The fact he also has a pretty massive, passive health regen makes him feel unfair to lane against. Especially if he knows you are aiming to poke him so he builds dorans shield, second wind, revitalize
@@Luchamasterfit in reality riot has just chosen him as a new store front to sell skins.
@@Luchamasterfit Its not as comparable cause he has a CD but garen is kinda the same thing tho
Sett just needs adjustments in numbers, specifically his 2nd passive, the regen is a bit too much, even I myself laugh at the absurd regen is I get when playing Sett
Not really try without second wind and you will notice the difference
at this point its just a better Garen passive. But lets ignore it so we can call him 'simple champ' and not do the thing where we compare him to old champs, like we do with Akshan or Aphelios
@@Baratinha do you know what simple means. His kit is very simple. Passive is health regen. Q empowered autoattack. W is BIG PUNCH. E is grapple ability and R he grabs and slams into the ground.
@@Baratinha dude literally compared akshan and aphelios to sett and garen
Dude you must be joking
@@Baratinha it's not a better garen passive, it's better specifically in combat but worse out of combat and worse when he's healthy, it's a more conditional garen passive
When you talk about consistently widdling his health down, you forget Sett has passive regeneration based on missing health. While not much, Doran+Second Wind+Revitalize makes him a pain since he heals hp back much quicker, if you come out of a trade even or barely top, you lost the trade. Which is pretty unfair seeing how he is anti-burst, this makes him anti-burst and poke resiliant.
Early grievous wounds really helps out with this since they now cut more healing the lower the health of a champion is. But it is an 800 gold investment so it is a trade off of gold to counter something Sett innately has
@@Call_me_Cujo Well, doesn't really help, as it only affects his healing directly after for a couple seconds. Maybe works for an actual poke champ who is ranged, but not exactly for Morde who has a decent decent cd on Q, early he can't spam it 24/7, to name Vars' example. At least it helps out against Conqueror
@@akoskormendi9711 true true, you have a valid point. If your main is more of an all-in champ than a poker then GW doesn't really help against Sett. I see your point good sir...
Finally someone gets it.
@@Call_me_Cujo But that also comes down to the counter pick. If you know you are going up against a Sett, then a champ who can poke often and punish his engage is a good choice. Jayce does well against Sett in my experience as you can poke him (which gets better after you get grievous wounds) consistently and then combo him quickly when he gets low. Also, try to fight him in a minion wave as his abilities will inadvertently push the wave, which means he will have a harder time escaping later and leaves himself up to jungle ganks.
The only thing i dont like in sett is his numbers right now. He has almost the same attack damage as darius and the same attack speed, but sett has double attack passive, which hurts very much in early game when you play champions who can't kite.
When you said attack damage. Are you talking about his base numbers? Cuz the last timw i check sett base number for ad is only 60-128, while for darius is only 64-149.
@@Io-ik4yv Yes, i meant his base attack damage, but i didn't say it is exactly same as darius. I said he has almost the same attack damage.
People like Sett because he's simple
People *Don't* like Sett because he's effective
i dont like sett because him and the people who play him are MAPs
@@Faust98 dont even call them that just call them what they are next time
That said, based and fair
found the MAP. you sicken me@@CubicP1sa
@@Faust98I don't get it. What's a MAP
a Majorly Attractive Person@@beepbop1762
Simple tbh
passive makes him punch fast
Q makes him punch hard
W makes him punch u for punching him
E makes him grab u close to punch u
And ult makes him batista bomb
Okay that batista bomb caught me off guard 🤣
you can say that for every thing
warwick passive heals more when low
Q = bite
W = run
E = fear and resistent
R = jump and bite
where are the numbers and extra things?
@@gabrielamorim4884 now do this with Akshan and you will understand what he meant
@@miguelc7766
Edit: passive: double shot and after 3 shots shield and damage, if cancel movespeed
Q = boomerang
W = invisibilty and revenge allies
E = graplin hook
R = pow pow pow pow pow
@@gabrielamorim4884 You just used the most terrible example as Warwick is literally made to be braindead simple and beginner-friendly for new junglers
To answer, I don't think it's overloaded. His kit is very straightforward, has clear strengths and weaknesses and has a distinct window for reward and punishment.
It's not that his numbers are problematic, it's how juggernaut items are designed well to mesh with his W, too well in fact.
Building HP for survivability whilst getting rewarded with damage is what makes him look overpowered, and that wasn't a problem when mathematically correct Sett wasn't discovered yet.
Sett didn't suddenly become broken overnight, infact his W's HP scaling wasn't touched and just the AD scaling and Base damage got moved.
So, what happened? Maybe because of Gore drinker missing HP » Damage and its active that enables him to throw 4-6 max grit W's in a team fight, or the fact that you can build purely HP and go up to 6K HP easily to achieve damage that can one shot Squishies, or the fact that he is rewarded for building what he's supposed to build and playing how he's supposed to be played.
We may never know, ask Kevin nextdoor if he knows.
Yo that's me
How much AH must you have to achieve 4-6 max grit punch in a fight LMAO
Its like kassadin he isnt op but the items on him grant him 3 times the gold they are worth that making him op
I think the main problem with Sett is:
Your only counterplay is not getting close to him, and trying to eat some chunks of his health away, BUT, Sett plays top, the single role where everybody is trying to fight melee. And if they aren't trying to fight melee, and instead, farm like you would do against a Darius, he can punish you because of his passive + Q whenever he pulls you close with his E, which can eat some chunks of your health very fast, and force you to constantly go base.
So, lets say you want to fight Sett Ranged instead, as a Top Laner, and you go GP, Aatrox or maybe even Jayce. If you have ever played against this lane, you know that unless you do some perfect combo whenever Sett starts running towards your direction, you are kinda fckd, cause your melee damage is garbage compared to Sett. And if he doesn't get close to you, most of the time Sett dont give a damn, cause once his health is down the 50% line, it wont go down, cause of his life regen passive, and even if it does, hey, good luck killing a brawler with only skill, once it is down 30% you are either out of mana, or Sett is going base after farming 6 or 7 waves.
So, lets say you aint fighting Sett, you are playing adc, and (probably) commited your entire build to being a Slow and Long Range Glass Canon (Except Ezreal which is just Long Range Canon) wich is allways playing for the 8 or 80, the highs or the lows, the all or nothing, you kill your enemy or you die trying, and then, this meat shield, after wining his lane whith little to no problem, runs at you with his 6.000 HP, slaps you twice, removing half of your health, and then ults your Sup on top of you, gain a 2.600 HP Shield and does about 1.400 damage.
Basically, the main problem with Sett is: His kit is fun as hell to play as, because there isnt much to micro administrate, your health regens fast, you have no mana to manage, none of your skills have a gimmic, and getting killed actually kills the enemy team, wich makes a simple and fun champion to play, but in the other side, it feels as if this champion is almost unstopabble, at all moments in the game, and his slow nature is deciving cause if you played against one, you know how much of a diference Sett Q makes in a chase.
He can flash w, follow ccw, w on some other teammate that isn't challenger and paying attention while doing their own thing. If it fails, just try again. If it works, you win game. If all else fails, you can just use w as zonyas, (the most op item in the game) on a 20 second cd to be even.
Setts strongest skill requires him to lose half his health super fast to use a very easily dodged skill and then die
the fact you can delete the entire enemy team cuz you reflect all the damage as AOE true damage is what makes this a good trade for sett
sure, even if you dodge the true damage, the cone still does the exact same damage but as physical, the enemy midlaner assassin, the enemy adc and the enemy enchanter will be deleted still
9:30 Yeah good luck poking him down in lane with the absurd health regen on his 2nd passiv
Eh, his passive Regen isn't that bad. Garen's is waaaaaay worse
@@lordmango6060 I second this. Garen has way more passive regen and mobility to go with it. And out of those two, I rather fight Sett.
@@judasdeschain8965 What champion do you play?
@@judasdeschain8965 yeah difference is garen doesnt have sustain in combat and sett has absurd sustain in combat AND out of combat also
@@jaktwo it's not "absurd." I mostly play Gwen when I play top, and her Q out heals him easy. Sett is not a hard matchup and if you're losing against him it's because you're just not good against him.
Ah yes the classic: avoid 2000 true damage spot when he can flash during his W. And even if you avoid his middle then you still get 2000 normal damage on your face
Garen deals 2000 unavoidable true damage, choose
@@Madaigoch_ garen is pretty stupid too. That’s pretty much all he has going for him tho. It actually makes it even more frustrating when you die to a pretty weak champ but just 1 ability that takes 0 skill to use will just kill you no matter what. They really should shift garens power balance as right now, he just isn’t great overall but he will get you with the win fight button if you’re not careful. Same with veigar, except his is ranged
Oh sorry that he has a blink every 5 minutes that every other champion has
@Siper garen with ult has so few counterplay when he q's u and ults
You din't iven see the video
I don't have a lot of time playing, but Sett was the newest champion when i started and was simple enough for me, a guy who never played a MOBA before, to understand in a matter of minutes. Still, he has a considerable high skill ceiling so it doesn't feel braindead. You can´t just play autopilot with or against him. I think he's in the right place.
Yeah he's simple but has good potential to outplay
considerable high skill ceiling??
@@arthur8042I’m a sett main but not a high ranked one but I’ll do my best to explain.
What he means is that with Sett, he has a lot skill expression despite being so simple. W into flash, insec R, or using his E to save your teammates or to pull them into a combo. Sett’s abilities have so much applications, it’s crazy and you can never say that you master Sett because of that. Sure it’s not you can do crazy tricks like a Zed or Azir, but that doesn’t mean Sett can do cool outplays himself, it’s just more limited than those type of champs. Look at Autolykus, he’s a challenger 1 Sett and the things he pulls off with Sett is crazy, some known and some that require skill to pull off. Sett’s easy to learn but has a surprisingly high skill ceiling.
Honestly, he feels fine to me. This is coming from someone who plays enchanters mainly so if he gets up to me I am as good as dead. But he isn't too bad to kite, he feels fair to play against, he has his weaknesses. Over all I say he is fine as is.
It’s kinda great how Akshan has such complicated abilities but his game play is so simple to understand.
can agree
My problem with aphelios is his comunication, its hard to know what he can do even if you play the champ, everything else is good, he has no mobility, scales realy well, has good early gane, manageble mid game, and still can be easily punished if he has poor positioning, he hard counter deathball teams, group up and go, bcs of his aoe abilities
There is just one thing that enrages me in Sett. Being tank is already suffering, so I wasn't really disgusted eating 1,5k true damage. The thing that seems absolutely disgusting to me is the fact that you can't interrupt W channel. There are shitton of different powerful but slow moves in this game but almost any of those can get interrupted. Sion is prime example. You can stun him during Q charge and it gets completely nullified. You can stun Rek Sai during her e tunnel dive and she unburrows on spot. There are CC immune skills in game, sure, but they are all purely defensive and none of them makes you also eat more than thousand true damage
Technically, you can use dislocation skill like leesin R or Tris R to kick him out of the position when he is casting W. Or you can just simply walk or dash out of the center of the W. Using the right skill at the right time will make him useless. That's the thing I like about playing Sett and playing as a Sett.
@@-quang8553 "just dodge it" works for any skillshot tho
@@MrLuzakman fr tho, especially with stridebreaker, sett has a stun/slow, it’d honestly be embarrassing if they miss their W.
Yeah, not even kassadin Q, which specifically counters channels, interrupts it. Good luck killing him first too, he’ll get about a 8k gold shield while doing it so even five people can’t stop it from going off. If even katarina ult can be stopped with kassadin Q, why is sett W treated so well, it’s utter crap.
Lulu polymorph is the only thing i know of that completely interrupts it.
I feel that rather than overloaded, he's a straightforward champ, an "honest" champ if you will. His kit is simple to use and uncomplicated to learn, but his entire kit is so filled with additional skills and passives that you pretty much get stuff for free by doing a fraction of the work other straightforward/honest champions do. Sett (and pretty much all new champions) pretty much start out with a 3k gold item effect without the stats.
I dont think whittling down sett works. His passive health regen, with dorans shield and revitalize makes his sustain in lane insane especially since he is a manaless champ. And besides having decent laning because of that, even if u do mess up hard, it's ok coz he scales well enough.
He is still a fighter and does have counter play but he has to be one of the strongest fighters rn, especially after almost the entirety of the fighter class took a hit from stride breaker changes (now that I think about it stride breaker nerf indirectly buffed sett by making people start building goredrinker on him lol)
Sounds like garen with extra steps
@@skywlaker3898 yeah
honestly the divine sunderer champs dominate right now, the only non-sunderer champs in toplane that are actually good are sett and riven, riven is especially busted
His passive sustain isn't alot in lane tbh, it doesn't become "strong" until points in the game where lane sustain has intrinsically less value.
garen gets a built in warmogs, better than sett
Vars: When sett is backed to a corner, he's an easy target.
Sett player: If you try to kill me, i'll just 1-shot your whole team.
literally lmao , the character is an overtuned joke
That’s the opposite of what he said
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Great video, as always! I'd personally be interested in hearing an in-depth discussion of mobility. You've mentioned it mostly as snippets(and I may have simply missed said discussion), but it would be interesting to hear!
always get hyped when I see a new Vars premiering tomorrow, keep the vids coming!
Overloaded or Simple?
Me trying to play Nasus: Cancer.
Explain nasus: BONK
Nasus is also cancer with his 75% slow and divine sunderer
@@skinnylegend1542 1v1 / 1v2 sure, but in a 5v5 Nasus is horrible. If your entire team doesn't have enough peel to keep nasus away from whoever he withered then you lost in champ select.
@Jksm Mkv I agree competently. I was just responding to the person who said he's cancer.
@@skinnylegend1542 I, as a Nasus player, agree that divine sunderer made him strong, but at the same time Sett is just an ass in both lane and team fights and in all stages of the game. Nasus at least is easy on the early game and can get fucked by ganks
His numbers just need to be adjusted but overall he is allright
@@N12015 it will result in a hige nerf no one should have that big of an aoe 2k dmg ability that also gives a shield
@@N12015 nah it feels like you just hate to dodge is like saying xerath is broken bcs if I stand still he can kill me in 5 seconds I play a lot of sett if they nerf his q damage by 5 he will be in a good spot and there is a lot more broken champs at the moment he is at 51% look an irelia a champ with high skill cap that has high wr in low elo that is broken.
@@noobjitsu1743 2k true damage if you stand still for 2 seconds the true damage is very ez to dodge if he doesn't get help from out side sources
@@skelet8337 another stupid Sett player, if you miss your w despite having a stun on a pull you’re just bad on sett.
Sett, Warwick, tryn, and xin are scary because they’re total stat check characters. They just stick to you for X amount of time and they just hope theyre still alive and you aren’t. They have tank-like stats with skirmisher-like damage
your videos are thought out so well, I love watching them !!!
Glad to entertain
I never actually unlocked or played sett, but I main vi. One thing that I always thought was that he was just a version of vi fitted to be a juggernaut instead. More sustain and shield, less mobility.
Personally I really respect and enjoy the concept behind sett, a very fresh take on the juggernaut subclass since he uses burst sustain instead of generic bulk
I have to disagree with one thing here. You didn't mention once his heath Regen passive. This Regen passive is a ton of free sustain in lane that negates one of his only lane weaknesses which is poke. You poke him and with dorans+passive+revitalize he is going to heal it back in 5 seconds. So his early game is EXTREMELY frustrating to play against for 95% of champs toplane. Insane that he can 1 vs 1 champs like renekton, Darius, and even Pantheon and come out on top due to his haymaker +Regen combo.
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I love it when you make references to Pokémon or SSB (and the MUSICS)
He's both, He has a simple kit but has just enough mechanics to give him no weaknesses making him overloaded
He's pure melee meaning you're supposed to poke him down, but his regen prevents that from happening, so the other option is bursting him down but his w highly disencourages doing that too
So then the idea is doing this awkward short bursty trades, disengage and immediately re-engage after his w loses a bit of grip, but he has just enough stick potential to force you to either disengage completely or all in, forcing you into a lose lose situation where he always has the advantage
The only counters he has are the typical "unlimited kitting" top laners like Vayne, Quinn, kennen, etc, that counter pretty much everything in top already, and even then his ult means he still has a better shot fighting them than most juggernauts like Garen or Darius.
he is quite okay in my opinion, his kit corresponds really well with his lore of being more dangerous the lower his health is, and a very gritty, punching champion in that sense. He is not too flashy, very straightforward while having a solid kit, having the weakness of his class- juggernauts: short range, high damage and survivability, yet very vulnerable in teamfights and useless if hit by ranged cc
I'd say other juggernauts counter him as well. I find it easy to bully a Sett in lane with Darius, and at a certain point Morde can just press R for free stats.
As a sett main I agree 100% with this video and its my favorite video of Vars so far so well done and you can see that he knows what he is talking about.
Sett is like a body press x4 def aggron, fun when people walk into your setup
Sett is simple with a strong kit. Akali is overloaded, yone is overloaded and Goddamn we all know that samira is beyond overloaded
I'd say Yone is more overloaded than Samira.
Yone is more overloaded than Sett ? godamn you guys are playing another game hahaha
@@Baratinha Yone is way more overloaded than Sett
@@EddyConejo true , imagine getting oneshot by a yone across half of the screen usinh his E at his tower
thats what ive always loved about champs like dar mord and sett, against skilled players its a ton of fun trying to use your basic tools to outplay them, and even more satisfying when it comes in close but you end up winning. everybody complains about darius and always has but he's always been highly counterable, which imo leaves a good amount of room for skill expression to counter what counters him.
honestly the only problem i have with sett is his w
everything else about his kit seems pretty fair and balanced
your comment was made 4 months ago, has 4 likes, your username is 4 and your profile picture is Jhin. Perfect
As an sett main.... tbh i agree with everything u said in this video. Best video ever, smartest video ever.
I really liked this discussion video keep up the great work.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The thing about him is that he has everything a champion wants, he has hard cc in his E and R, he has extra damage on his Q, W and passive, he has mobility in his Q and he has sustain from his passive and w, and on top of all that he is a "tank" that can send back all the damage you did to him as TRUE DAMAGE. He can do 2000 burst true damage, while BURST mages, champions designed specifically to do burst, cant even do half of that number with magic damage, and yeah, they have to aim it too.
You can say he is simple all you want, but you would be ignoring the fact that he does not actually have a weakness, he can go against any team comp, if theyre all burst he just soaks up the damage and then throws his w, if theyre tanks he soaks up the damage and then throws w while hard ccing them, if theyre immobile he just simply wins, if theyre mobile he throws R into the rest of the team and slows them all. If the only thing you can say about a melee champion when talking about their weaknesses is that they struggle with range, then maybe its because they are overloaded.
Yes a champion with a singular "dash" is, a skinny hitbox on his w and needs to be right next to you land the rest of his kit is hard to kite
@@josepharletigley7457 well lucky for him he has his aoe cc E to keep you next to him, his r and the move speed from his q. Also when youre on a tf youre probably slowed by other champions abilities so his w is even easier to hit considering that it has a .75s cast time for an ability that deals 2k true damage
Yeah, I think people are a little biased when they just repeat this "Sett" is simple. goddamn the video is even saying RELL (2 forms, shieldbreak, armor/MR STEAL) is simple. Its like champs are only complicated or overloaded when their soloq games are being ruined.
@@Baratinha no what overloaded means is quite literally their kits are overloaded. You look at fucking akshan and his entire fucking passive has more paragraphs than most champions (not including his passive in his stealth). Now look at sett and read his entire kit. Sure his w is kinda bs and his Regen is also bs but tune them down and no one's gonna cry. His mains are still gonna pick him up (although his winrate my suffered a bit), none of it feels excessive just number changes.
@@cd4ngel659 doesn't Darius also do this minus the true damage and instead of providing bonus Ms Darius instead slows you with apprehend and his auto reset
I've been Maineing sett since he came out and I'm happy to see praise for my favorite feline mob boss
Im gonna have to ruin your day here and say that Sett is, infact not, a catboy. Hes a badger, Riot confirmed
@Orbitrons thanks for telling me I’m actually happy badgers are my Spirit Animals
@@thegeckowithgum7064 Well thats a nice turn of events, have fun playing the badgerboy
Thanks for the video vars! Im sure it's gonna be good 👍
He is 100% overloaded just because of how he has BUILT-IN sustain. If he didn't have built-in sustain then he'd lack a stat you'd have to get it from items...
wrong term
It might not happen much but i think hes neither simple nor overloaded.
He‘s well designed
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Compared to other releases, Sett is pretty simple but his numbers are still bonkers. He is easy to balance and I have no idea why Riot doesnt just nerf his numbers a bit. Also he is still viable in every single role and can totally carry games if fed so I ban it a lot.
My favorite Yone and Yuumi main uploaded again
My friend asked me today to play league and one of the few Champs I immediately thought of to make him learn is sett and my friend learnt him super quick
"yone is busted end of story" LMAOOO
I think people just need to realize you can dodge his narrow skill shot and reduce his damage by half. People are just too stubborn to respect and readjust their playstyles for each champion they encounter because that requires thinking, until they are forced to by their kits (this is the cause of their frustration). The best balance I could change for Sett is simply make his W true damage hitbox more narrow. People tend to forget that Sett didn't do damage before his buff. In fact he was practically useless.
i 100% agree
Agreed
before the W buffs he was mostly built like a stat stick, with Botrk and Trinity in late S10. He was still decent but dude he is supposed to play around his W not Q so ofc they had to buff it. He is in a great spot now, especially after stridebreaker nerfs he can get kyted fairly easily if you got brains
I find Sett actually pretty easy to bully as Darius
Exactly! 100% agree as a sett main. They stack my grit, don't move an inch, eat a true dmg W, then complain sett is too op.......
lets go. my main. can’t wait to see this
Sett: "The third Dragons ring, helth, Stamina, endurence, all you need"
Can we get a “why nobody plays Lillia” I’d love to hear your take on why no one plays my baby
Continuing the Pokémon metaphors, only aspect of his kit that annoys me as a top player is his free leftover passive. Other than that I totally agree with you on your take
To be fair doesn't Garen basically also have that?
@@hughvonramdass8957 yeah but that's garen's entire passive, sett has better garen passive on top of his passive auto's
He respects his mom. 100/10
Love this video!
He's simple, but he's overloaded. His abilities are all straighforward, but have so much to them. His W for example, it seems super simple: Take damage, deal damage, get shield; but in reality it's one of the best (imo) abilities in the game because it has so much to it.
Overloaded doesn't always mean complicated.
If you want overloaded, then Darius, Garen and Fiora wants to say "Hello" to you in the Top Lane.
@@NeoCriMs0n they don't have a 3k health shield with 2k true damage on a basic ability, you can beat Fiora just by stunning her and Garen can just be poked to infinity, none of that works on Sett
I just thing the w damage has to be lowered a bit and the hitbox fixed because even if i move i seem to get hit by the true damage every time, and yes, taking his health gradually is the supposed play but in lane his passive keeps him at 50% almost all the time, and if you are playing a tank you can just try to farm from far away, so a nerf to his passive healing should be done in my opinión, i just dont like the current state of the game where if you donr play meta the enemy has to play very poorly so that you are able to do something in lane
I agree with you
every match against sett is a pain in the ass
Hi Vars! I'd like to hear your opinion: if Sett is considered a stat-stick for you? He has the similar gameplay as many others of such class, with his skillshots being not so much about micro-skill expression but about knowing when and who you can fight. Basically, knowing when you're stronger and carrying a bigger stick.
Sett's not overloaded, but he is overtuned (there's a difference). I don't think it's THAT bad that he needs a nerf, I think he's right where he should be balance-wise, but yeah, 2000 true damage should not happen (Source: I'm a mastery 6 Sett main).
But the thing is ,sett needs 4 or 5 items to even do 2k damage with his W. So he needs to snowball during early game. Which is not ez, since a lot of people already knows how to play against him.
@@Io-ik4yv His W does true damage though, do you not get that? don't need an item for that shit.
He just runs at you knowing he will win the trade (like darius).
BUT he remains very useful after laning (unlike darius).
Tank Ekko is still a thing. With the new Sunfire Cape's (now Sunfire Aegis) ramping damage and all. Take grasp>shield bash>conditioning>overgrowth>manaflowband>gathering storm. I typically go Aegis into steraks gauge (the rest of the build is whatever you need in terms of tank items) as I run it down never fearing death especially in team fights. May not be as good as it use to but it's still there!
as a life long pokemon and league player I've noticed the increase in pokemon analogies and references and I like them a lot!
He’s beautiful. Nothing else.
9:00 He has a speed boost on his Q, much like Garen, however he also has his E which is a pull and his W which is a massive slow, so his Q lets him enter a fight and with his other abilities you cannot leave, so I would say that he has quite a lot of mobility(for a juggernaut).
His R has the slow not his W. W is the channel big punch
@@deadpool569 his E is stun
3:37 when you have an AFK so the wolf decides to be your 5th like a true homie
- "Overloaded or Simple?"
- "Yes."
i think you place too much importance on whether a champion is breaking their own subclass of whatever, subclass doesnt matter if the champ just does too much damage or takes too much damage
Or both
The "dodge the w sweetspot" argument becomes a bit unreliable when he can pull you faster than you can react and stun you because a minion was on the other side, and if he doesn't stun you, he still slows you. So if you're a champion without any sort of dashes you are pretty much fucked, tanks even more because big hitbox
Of course, not every match-up is favourable. A lot of top laners do have answers to help them play around this
@@d180jnr That problem is not exclusive to top though, a mage like veigar or Ryze that has no mobility gets oneshoted because of this, 90% of all ADCs get oneshoted because of this, tanks almost die unless they build just a massive amount of health, which in turn fucks their team because of Sett's ult. My problem is his instant heavy CC, which no champion should ever have, that combined with his W just makes the point of "dodge the W, 4head" just dumb.
Darius riven fiora renekton murder anyone with low mobility without even needing to take damage like sett
@@ZED_117ryze e-w combo roots, so he can just root sett when he is walking up, veigar also has a baby cage that he can trap sett in when he is coming too close.
Feelin’ good finding someone that plays Competitive Pokémon too
They need to make it that either his s q has lower movespeed and dmg, lower true dmg but more shield on w, lower hp regen on passive
3k true damage that you can't even dodge if he ults or uses E on you meaning all the time pretty balanced sure
Riot balance team: Sett is not unbalanced, so we better nerf asol
A sol memes are geting anoying like rly. Just stop
@@damjanradisavljevis737 no I don’t think I will
Yone main here
We will be watching your career with great interest
Aside from the joke RLLY nice vid i play a lotta Sett too when i go 0 10 on yone and want to take a break from that i like sett so much too
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This is actually pretty interesting. I don’t disagree with you completely. At face value sett is pretty simple and straightforward, especially compared to most of the “200 years” champions. But if you actually look at his kit I would definitely say he qualifies as overloaded when compared to other juggernauts. I’ll use your example of Darius.
Darius:
Passive- damaging attacks and abilities apply a stack of bleed, after applying 5 stacks to a single champion Darius gets a large amount of bonus AD, and now instantly applies 5 bleed stacks on future attacks. (Admittedly this is a somewhat overloaded passive)
Q- delayed spin with a sweet spot, grants missing hp healing on champion or large monster sweet spot hit.
W- auto attack reset which slows and deals bonus damage.
E- grants passive % armor pen, active is a cone pull.
R- dunks on a champion dealing increased damage per passive stack.
Sett:
Passive- Grants increased hp regen based on missing health. Basic attacks are a 1-2 punch, the second hit has more attack speed and bonus damage scaling with bonus AD.
Q- grants a movement speed buff towards enemy champions, and the next two basic attacks deal bonus %hp damage.
W- passive causes damage taken to be stored as grit, up to 50% max hp. Active consumes stored grit to grant a decaying shield, makes an attack in a large cone dealing damage based on grit, with true damage being dealt to enemies in the center sweet spot.
E- pulls enemies on either side of him, stunning targets if an enemies was pulled on both sides.
R- dashes to a target champion becoming unstoppable, picking them up, inflicting suppression and revealing them and slamming them at the destination dealing damage to all targets in an area based on the grabbed targets bonus hp as well as distance traveled and slowing all targets hit.
The overloaded part of Sett’s kit is all of the more subtle parts, such as bonus movement speed, bonus damage and attack speed, loads of %hp damage and the like. Again as I said his kit is pretty simple and the overloaded aspect is much more subtle than that of Akshan or Samira, but overloaded all the same.
So his w?
Also, by your definition of overloaded, volibear is also overloaded? He has a slow, %max hp damage, disables turrets, a stun, bonus as, a shield scaling with hp, bonus Ms and self sustain
@@josepharletigley7457 damnn maybe that would explain 51% winrate of voli in platinum+ and 55% winrate in challenger
@@josepharletigley7457 yes that is absolutely true. And it’s most definitely the reason he is and was so dominant since the rework. That’s my exact point… and I can confidently confirm that about volibear because I mained him top lane and absolutely dominated, and would regularly carry games and 1v3+ and kill all of the opponents and come out with 50% hp if not more…
@@zarekodynski9077 ok fair point but that doesn't make my initial point any wrong. Most of the complaints about sett is in his haymaker which was pretty meh before it's numbers were buffed. This shows that you can literally just tweak some numbers from sett and he'll be fine. No need for bullshit mechanics to be introduced and then removed (looking at u Akali and Samira) Same with volibear. Just tweak the numbers on his abilities and he will be fine
"but ask yourself is that any different than what these other champs can do"
Yes. All of the champions except maybe for morde require more than 1 ability to be played
If you dont hit skillshots on morde you are literally fucking worthless his passive was nerfed over a year ago for fuck sake
@@manuelciancarella7152 same goes for sett you fuckwad that's why I compared them
I play a decent amount of Sett, and he just feels like a really safe pick. Even when he's behind, he does a lot of true damage, a tank buster that uses it against your team, and has CC to group enemies together. While other Juggernauts like Darius can snowball harder or be better skirmishers like Mordekaiser, Sett just always feels relevant when in a fight irrespective of the gold he has.
Hes the boss, and the boss does damage ( even though he does to a lil bit much but a small nerf could fix that) , but playing him a few times will make it easy to learn his main weaknesses. I have grown to respect juggernauts unlike Assassin's and slayers since theire raidmachines which can solo a fight or be kited and destroyed. Theire the definition of easy to play harder to master sort of like enchanters. Theres no zed ult into combo that literally cannot be avoided and can oneshot a sion then dash out with no penalty or real risk...
While you have a point, it is not to the extent where an even in gold zed can one shot an actual tank building armor, or any assassin for that matter. Plus cc will always be a squishy champs nightmare as a zed that jumps in on a tank has the risk of getting cc’d and even 1 second of root is enough to pop any squishy. I personally find juggernauts more frustrating because while they do both have some counter play, it just feels like a juggernaut like garen or sett just doesn’t have to work as hard to one shot you as almost any assassin. What I mean by this is that when you are a squishy champ you can get one shot by a garen pressing q e r in the matter of 2 seconds and the garen didn’t actually display any sort of skill. Same with sett, when you get e q then w and you just die with the sett barely even having to do much at all. At least when you get hopelessly one shot by an assassin you know they actually had to practice the combo or at the very least take time to learn it. That’s my take on that
I'm fine with all the numbers for his kit and his kit in general, but not his ability to flash W. Sett's ability to flash W is essentially just like Galio's old ability to flash taunt. Flash taunt made Galio's taunt near impossible to avoid when he had flash up removing the key weakness of the ability. That weakness was due to Galio's low movement speed when channeling his taunt and led it to be kite-able. Sett's W is supposed to be the same case, kite and avoidable and yet flash W completely removes that weakness from the ability. Flash W allows Sett to near instantaneously relocate himself while channeling his W making it near-dam impossible to avoid guaranteeing the damage for Sett. Already it's pretty obvious that this isn't fair because this cone on his W does a lot of damage already and with the true damage, you might as well be dead. Just because Sett has flash shouldn't mean a player should get punished even after they've managed to successfully get away from Sett and out of his haymaker's range. Removing Sett's ability to do this should be a must.
+1
Flash has 5 mins cooldowm.........and his W is short range and he cant be using it all the time for W. your either have an eye sight problem or you just have bad gamesense.
Explain Nasus as a Juggernaut’s winrate against Vayne and Quinn if range is Juggernaut’s vital weakness
I love the background music giveing me nostalgia from plat
Omg same
Sett is definitely my least favorite champion to fight in the game, purely because of how kit interacts with the enemy, not really anything to do with his numbers.
His passive gives him a 1 2 punch which is fine, but the health restoration needs to be reworked. It's strong, way too strong, if only because Sett gets his in combat completely for free. Darius has to hit his q in order to heal back up, Zac and Mundo have to chase their blobs, and Garen gets the strongest regen, but only out of combat. This is further exacerbated by the shield w gives, buying Sett time to heal up, making interactions with him feel like a pointless endeavor.
His w just needs some number tweaks, but the shield is a huge problem. I already talked about how it interacts with his passive, but again, it turns all interactions with him into a slog, even if you dodge the sweetspot, which definitely should come out a little slower compared to how fast it is now, he gains a shield for half his health where you just have to sit there and wait before you can deal damage to him. All the while he can still fight you in return.
Lastly his ultimate just feels unfun to the enemy team since if Sett grabs your tank and slams them into your whole team, the only thing you can do is just flash out of it. Otherwise you have no choice but to take the damage. You can't really blame your tank for getting grabbed because they engaged, and if your tank gets hooked then it's just a free set up for his ult. There isn't any counterplay other than pray that Sett got his angle wrong or flash. He just always forces really miserable interactions for his enemies whatever he does.
Also don't forget that he can force you out of the minion wave and prevent you from farming because guess what? He can stun you with a minion and since the pull is fucking instant you can't do anything, but take whatever damage he throws at you
I think that if they want to nerf sett they should some early game Power because he his on of the only save first picks in top which a reason why his pick reat is so high
Remember when Akali had about 6 other mechanics in her kit?
-Tower Untargetability
-Skillshot R
-Healing on Q
-Bonus Minion Damage on Q
-Extended Shroud duration if she left it then re-entered it
-Casting Q during either of E's animations
I lowkey miss the skillshot R and the Q during E, but I understand the removal
the problem with akali is she is like if you are good at the champ there actually is no counterplay for a lot of other champs, and ganking becomes super hard with her shroud, so its like if something is actually uncounterable at even the highest levels then that champ is always going to do well when pro's play it.
My only problem with sett is not his w, which just does the same thing everyone else has with the new items, but his passive. He's supposed to be strong vs burst champions, see his w, but the second half of his passive also incidentally makes him strong vs poke champions, the group that you would expect to counter him the hardest in lane. That by itself simultaneously enables his support playstyle and removes his single biggest weakness in lane, in addition to innately making him have free infinite sustain because also, he's manaless
Sett isn't even remotely a problem. Like there's a difference between Sett being overtuned vs Akshan having everything but the kitchen sink in passives. I'll take an overtuned Sett vs an overloaded Akshan any fucking day
I think problem with him is the math build. I mean in low elo people just don't get it that you gotta position and dodge his one hit wonder (which he is designed to play around might i add).
In my opinion i'd just reduce %AD converted per 100 to his W from 20 to 18%
I feel like a lot of the problem people have with sett is trying to fight him the wrong way.
A lot of players will over commit to fights in every match up the same way, or always build the same way.
If you take short trades and back off, or bait his E by playing just outside its range he becomes substantially easier to contend with
You just described why people think Darius is strong.
@@shodore I think its a mental thing. I actually enjoy playing into Darius and sett because the players usually rely on thinking they've got the lane in the bag and get clapped from over confidence.
@@shodore I mean, Darius is pretty strong, but he is far from unbeatable or op. (Unless he's fed lol)
Either way i think Darius is much easier to play around than Sett, just because his lane phase is not as risky as darius, because he can't take teleport as Sett does, and doesen't have as much sustain as Sett does too. In a nutshell, just don't let him stack the bleed and you're fine.
@@devilkingaming4619 and usually Darius and Sett players are so overconfident on their early advantage, that once something goes wrong they really don't know how to play from behind, specially Darius players. And the lane becomes an easy snowball. I honestly like to play against Darius, because I know if I play smart the enemy won't have a top laner
@@shodore I play Warwick top a lot so both of the lane match ups are fairly easy to win in that case. Warwick E soaks so much damage and holding Q pretty much invalidates their main sources of damage since you'll stick to the weak part of the Darius Q and dodge the sett W
as a sett main om looking forward 2 this one
A good way to put it is juggernauts are like tanks. They hit hard and can take slot of damage but they're relatively slow compared to other vehicles. In the eyes of infantry and such a tank is a daunting thing to face but it still has its weaknesses.
Here's my issue with Sett, he has too much going for him. Sure the champ may be simple to pick up and play and you're right, he doesn't have 1 million dashes or stealth or untargettability or whatever, but he still does kind of betray one of the core weaknesses of juggernauts. His passive gives him UNGODLY and UNCONDITIONAL lane sustain, making the strategy of simply poking him out not entirely viable. In laning phase when he gets low, without any runes or items he's regenerating over 10 HP per second every second. Add that onto being manaless and we have a champion with near-infinite lane sustain, high durability, incredible brawling, strong AOE abilities, % max HP damage, a shield the size of a planet, and true damage. It feels like while not necessarily insurmountable, Sett has no obvious disadvantages.
You can't burst him because of his beef, you can't fight him face to face because of his sustained damage and counterburst with W, and he's extremely hard to poke out due to his passive. This is what makes him fundamentally different to other juggernauts who have clear disadvantages to kiting and poke. Darius can heal a ton in combat but out of combat he has no healing at all, conversely Garen has great regen out of combat, but it goes away in combat. Sett gets the best of both worlds, and when you stack a Goredrinker on top of him, it just doesn't feel like there's ever a moment where he's vulnerable, he really can do it all.
So that's my personal issue with the champ, he might not be as egregiously flashy as some of the other 200 years crew, but to me he doesn't feel like he really gets punished for doing things incorrectly, and as his opponent, it doesn't feel like there's an obvious way to deal with him in the same way that there is for a Garen or Darius.
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The thing that I don't really like about Sett isn't about his kit, his kit is fine, my problem with sett is that he's just too safe when he's behind, when he's ahead he's super oppressive and can kill you with just 2 autos and w, which is alright, but even when he's 0/8 he has so much aoe damage, cc and durability he can still be extremely useful in teamfights even when really behind.
if darius is ahead he's a monster, doing 1v5 slam dunk pentas easily, and being extremely durable with spirit visage buffing both q healing and sterak shield, making him incredibly hard to deal with, but if he's behind he's just a meat shield with no cc outside of a 15 second pull, when trundle's ahead he can shred though towers and tanks in seconds, deal a third of a squishy champ's health with just q and drain tank for days, but if he's behing the best he can do is throw pillar to help peel for his adc a little, and since he's all single targeted he just has to hope he at least deals some damage to whoever's closest before he gets blown up in a second.
Sett doesn't have that weakness because he just has to build tanky, ult the frontline into their team, double stun enemies with e, take a crap ton of damage and deal a lot more in return with w and that's it, even if he dies after that he already made a huge impact on the teamfight
Agreed
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I agree Sett has better engage from behind, but a being Sett dies very quickly in team fights.
I'd argue that's all he brings to the table vs other Juggernauts, the engage.
You can be both. He is simple to play, but his kit is overloaded.
Look i understand the argument that poke can interupt him but he has bonus hp regen from his passive which means that you cant poke him enough to force him out of lane and he scales good in the late game . So i think that a good change for him would be to give him more hp and remove that part of his passive
You can poke him enough to allow yourself to freeze or build up a proper slow push into dangerous crash, where Sett has to be carefull regarding jungler dives. What more do you need in top lane? One such proper freeze or crash can easily translatr to around half of a kill in gold or even more
He is very overtuned. The problem isn’t his w, that’s fine in my opinion. The problem is his passive. His passive makes it so that you can’ t win lane against him unless you counter pick him. That’s just top lane, I know, but I still is an issue. You can’t beat him in melee as his passive makes him literally beat down everyone if they don’t run away, and his second passive makes it so that if you try to poke him down, he’ll just keep healing back up. Unless you’re playing a dedicated poke champion, you can’t beat him as if you go for a trade, even if you win the trade by a large margin, Sett will have won the trade as he’ll just heal all the damage back. So you can’t all in him because of his first passive, and you can’t poke him down because of his second. His issue isn’t just “w too stronk”, it’s that he’s a lane bully who bullies lane bullies while having a great late game. Great early, great mid, and great late. Nerfing his w scaling would hurt his late game, but that’s not really the issue.