NEMA 14-50 Buying Guide for Tesla EV Charger
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, I compare five different NEMA 14-50 outlets found on Amazon ranging in prices from under $8 to more than $68. What's the difference? Which is the best for an EV charger? What is recommended for the Tesla Model 3, S, X or Y?
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Thank you for making this video. I recently bought a Tesla, and I need to purchase a NEMA 14-50 outlet. Your video made it easy. Thanks!
My pleasure
Great video with a lot of useful information in there!
Looking forward to the mentioned installation video which into the details regarding the needed wires etc. Any idea when you'll do and upload that? Again, great work! 👍
Picked up the car in the middle of quarantine (th-cam.com/video/71-ots2yG2E/w-d-xo.html) and haven’t driven it enough to need fast charging! Hopefully soon.
I always liked hubbel products. When I'm wiring a charger (for forklifts) up with a plug, I prefer the clamp method of cord strain relief on the hubbel plug. We get good discounts having a partner ID with places like Platt though.
Others usually use some type of internal clamp that closes as you screw it together.
I used a Leviton surface mount fixture. Surface mount is much easier for concrete block walls! It was $10.73, made in USA, and the wires are clamped flat, not screw-on-conductor. It looks very professional in my garage and functions perfectly.
Thanks for letting us know
💰 LOOKING FOR A CHEAPER ALTERNATIVE? 💰
The Hubbell 14-50 has skyrocketed in price since this video was made. There is a cheaper Hubbell outlet that provides the same speed of charge. Watch this before deciding 👉🏻 th-cam.com/video/XNOnVxI0tvk/w-d-xo.html
***NOTE: Hubbell supports _copper_ wiring only! Incorrectly shown as AL-CU in the video.
Aluminum wire should NEVER be used whether the device is marked compatible or not. ESPECIALLY on a charger.
So glad I saw this video. I just purchased the Leviton nema 14-50 and I will return it asap. Hubbell it is.
Good. Now you’ll have one less thing to worry about!
Thanks for the video. I installed mine last year with the Leviton since it was the only one in the store. I mostly leave the UMC on so far I don’t have any issue. The biggest problem I had was actually that the heavy duty wires needed to go straight in from the back. I struggled so much to put the whole thing back in the box.
Yeah that one needs a deep box for sure.
@@handydadtv giggity
before i got the hpwc, ive been using the Flush Mount Range Outlet for a year and had no problem. the tesla center i picked up my car from uses it too in their showroom
This is actually so useful thank you!
Thanks glad it was helpful
Great review for all EV charger outlet. Very useful information.
Thanks
Thanks for the reviews. I ended up going with hardwired because of your review.
Good choice so you also avoid needing a GFCI breaker.
I liked your review, I agree totally with your findings, I opened my 14-50R outlet in the wall, installed by the builder. I had the cheapo, $10 plug. Wrong plug….the plug was discolored and the wire insulation was discolored and over heated, crinkling after two years of use.
I bought the Hubble for $100 first, my neighbor bought the Bryant for $50. Exact same plug, except for the brand name. I returned the Hubble and ordered the Bryant. Less demand, less price. All ordered from Amazon..
Thanks for the info!
One data point that does ease the load on the 50A outlet: the current Gen2 UMC only supports 32A charge current, so the outlet isn’t loaded to the 40A you might expect. Tesla does sell a Corded Mobile Charger that has a hard-wired NEMA 14-50 plug (not changeable) that supports 40A charging. I’d still choose the Hubbell outlet for it though.
Thanks
Thanks so much! I'm about to install one of these for my Chevy Bolt.
Thanks
Exactly what I was looking for - thank you for this video. Problem is the Hubbell recepticle (HBL9450A) now costs $163. WoW! I'm searching for a lower price on this product. Appreciate any leads on this research...
th-cam.com/video/XNOnVxI0tvk/w-d-xo.html
Awesome video, thanks for the review!!
My pleasure
Nice review. Consider including whether outlet is UL listed or not.
I bought the Hubble but haven't installed it yet. It is very well made, the wire clamping looks superior and you need to tighten these connections really well. As current runs through these wires they get hot and expand and contract so a cheaper clamp could loosen and that can drive up heat and that is what leads to electrical fires. So really tighten those clamps.
One point on the Hubble, the diameter of the plug appears a little larger than the others and that means you may want to get the Hubble face plate that goes with it. It isn't cheap. There may be face plates at your big box store that fit, I didn't try.
Good tip. Thanks.
I used the Eaton one in my garage for over a year and it was perfect! The fact that you install it upside down is great, because it allows the Mobile Connector to hang off of it without problems. It also means you can flush mount it on the wall without a need to install a huge unsightly box. Mine was permanently connected with the cable hanging on the Tesla Cable Organizer. Wish I could post a picture here, but I think it's short-sighted to rule that one out off the bat... it's a great choice IMO.
the is the one that I purchased as well
Bad idea to install upside down for two reasons, 1) it creates tension on the receptacle, 2) it creates tension on the cable.
@@nobodydoingunimportantthings It's the other way around. When it's installed right side up there's tons of receptacle tension and instead of the cord bending it points upwards creating all sorts of problems.
Good comment. Another Plus is if the conduit comes from the ceiling
Thanks for bringing some attention to the outlet as a part of the charging system. I feel it's often overlooked.
Three years later, my views have changed. Watch th-cam.com/video/1BnK4a4aVpU/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for this video. You had talked me into the Hubbell until I saw the price in Canada of $176.61CDN.
Ouch 😳
Philip T, that can’t be right. Must be a decimal in the wrong place. $17.66 CDN?
I like the way you think. Thanks for the review.
Thanks 😊
I've got the fully enclosed weather proof Eaton box. It was a bit more @ $45 but it looks nice and since the plug is near the garage door opening, if it's raining hard and the garage door accidentally gets left open, it's one less thing to worry about I guess.
Good idea
Would love to see an update of this video, so new EV owners searching the web today will be likely to see this important information. Very well presented and gives a lot of important context about each nema outlet.
I bought the Hubble plugs 2 years ago after watching your video, it’s worked great ever since.
Thanks for the comment. I will put it on my list.
Thank you so much for this info!
My pleasure
you are right if I get a tesla I will get Hubell nema too thanks for the video you are the best love any of your video since day one
Thanks so much 😊
Thank you for the video
My pleasure!
Excellent video thank you
My pleasure
Great video!
Thanks so much
Great Video !!!! Thanks.
Thanks so much 😊
I thought this was the case too, as I never unplug my Mobile Connector. But after about a year I was getting overheat warnings on the Leviton - same as the one in your video. I dutifully retorqued the terminals and after another six months, I got the warnings again. This time the terminals were still tight but the internal contacts were weakened and vibrating with the current. Using a contact stethoscope I could hear the 60Hz hum in the receptacle that would change as I moved the plug back and forth a little. Not unplugging it, just rocking without unplugging. So the internal contacts were weakened after almost two years of daily use (I drive a lot).
If you feel a marked increase in temperature, immediately replace receptacle to avoid a melt-down. If the contacts are visible, you may see carbon deposits. If on a very tight budget and handy, you may be able to refurbish receptacle, but most people don't take the risk.
Luckily Tesla has a temperature sensor in the plug. I wish they were all made that way.
Awesome Video, this is what I need. the Hubble cost is so high now. Ahhhhh $162 on Amazon now.
There is an alternative th-cam.com/video/XNOnVxI0tvk/w-d-xo.html
Thank you!
I’ve changed my recommendation: th-cam.com/video/R2cRNzSbw48/w-d-xo.html
There’s a big difference in price between the Hubble and all the others. Primary difference is Hubble is designed for numerous insertions and removals, while the others are designed for only a few similar to a dryer or range. Its wire clamps are also much better but you must tighten them securely. It’s wise to periodically feel the plug for heat after 1-2 hour’s use. After 6 months use, mine felt warm and I discovered one screw terminal looser than the other. Tightening the offender solved it.
Great tip! I had a similar problem with a dryer plug I installed, and the heat eventually destroyed it.
It’s really important to do the “wiggle test” while tightening the plug to spec. They slowly vibrate themselves loose unless you do this.
Exactly, the installation makes a much bigger difference than the receptacles themselves, Especially if you don't plug and unplug all the time.
I feel comfortable to use the 2nd one and install it carefully. IMHO, I would rather spend more money to get a bigger box.
Residential vs spec/commercial/hospital grade
@@daijoubu4529 If you plan to leave a charger plugged in all the time, tighten screws properly, perform shake test, etc, the residential grade is fine. But periodically check for heat while charging. Use a commercial grade model such as one designed for a RV park if frequent plug & unplug is your routine.
Great information
Glad it was helpful 👍🏻
thanks for the info! i would choose the Hubbell too. only if i was using copper wire, since it does not support aluminum wiring. yeah, that's one quality outlet! $90 is nothing for the importance of what it does.
Thanks
lol i bought the same one tesla got in their showroom. that white plastic one. if this video was out last year. i'd probably either get the black center one or the hubble
Great video, I just watched it again...!
Is the Hubbell having a full lengthy contact surface to allow max current delivery??
Since a few months a have some connection issues with my Tesla...
Are there a actually double receptical out there??? I have a 60amp capable cable and need to feed 2 30 amp devices.
Thank you again for your video. Your voice is also very pleasant!
Thanks 😊 The Hubble grabs the full width on both sides of the prongs.
Great review! Hubble it is. Hubble's website says it can stand at 2,000V minimum.
Good choice
Great. Thanks.
The UMC draws 32 amps, not 50 as mentioned in the video. Thank you for showing us all of the options
I was speaking based on the breaker capacity. Didn’t get that specific.
thanks! I'will change to eaton due to my wires comes from ceiling. if you use others except for #1 of thin one, 1/4 wire would be difficult to get to the other end.
It’s possible to bring them up and over the top. Watch this week’s video to see how I did it with a 6-50 outlet th-cam.com/video/XNOnVxI0tvk/w-d-xo.html.
Great info!! The Hubble outlet is now $162 at the link you have for Amazon🥺😮
Yikes! Check out this alternative th-cam.com/video/XNOnVxI0tvk/w-d-xo.html
It seems highly unlikely that any receptacle's contacts are steel, as you have inferred. More likely they are a plated brass alloy. Check them with a magnet.
The receptacle with half-width contacts as mentioned in a comment, could just as easily have been warmer because of loose wiring.
When tightening stranded wires into a connection it is IMPORTANT to wiggle and retighten them several times to assure a lasting low resistance connection.
Good advice!
This is great info
Thanks
We had a 220v line installed in our garage this summer and I asked if they used Hubble. They used a Leviton, but if I start getting a lot of heat when I charge the car, I'll swap it out for a Hubble myself.
Let me know if you feel a difference.
Perfect topic! Liked & Sub'd
Thanks for subscribing! Welcome to the family!
Great video. Thank you. Any recommendations on a specific 50amp breaker?
It needs to match your panel. Don’t mix brands.
Also look at the 2020 nec regarding gfci protection.
GFCI breaker is covered here: th-cam.com/video/BixGQisysDc/w-d-xo.html
No brainer. Go with the Hubble. That’s what I use when building high voltage datacenters.
This is great info, thank you! I will let the electrician provide the 6/3 wiring but would like to order the Hubbell 14-50 receptacle and 50A breaker in advance. Any advice on specs for the breaker? I was going to go with Square D but single pole? Double pole? Etc?
Needs to be double-pole and it needs to match the brand and type for your electric panel.
Thank you!
Wow, thanks for the thorough introduction and reviews (going with the Hubbell)!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video HD! Just added the Hubbell to my shopping cart on Amazon. Of course, used your affiliate link. Do you think it's ok to run the 6-3 wire for a 100' run? Did you ever film the installation of your 14-50?
100-foot run should be fine. I haven’t installed mine yet! Since making this video, I moved into a new house so I brought the Hubbell with me to install here when I eventually get commuting back to work! Stay tuned...
@@handydadtv Staying Tuned :D Looking forward for that video too.
Thank you for your explanations. Can I use this plug in Turkey 220 V electric.
I doubt it. The “N” in NEMA stands for National. Meaning United States.
@@handydadtv thank you
2 years after you published this, March 30, 2022, the Hubbel is now $159.99!
BTW, good practice to check heavy duty outlets like this after about 6 months for warmth and loose wires. As in power down, take apart, and tighten screws.
The 14-50 has become the defacto standard for EV chargers and that demand has driven prices up. I’m working on a video to talk about cheaper alternatives.
@@handydadtv Most smaller EV's (Leafs, Mini, that weird BMW, etc.) specify the NEMA 6-20.The 6-20 is also useful in home shops, for large saws, vacuums, pressure washers, etc. In this way, one outlet can do double duty.
Here is something you might want to point out: Using a NEMA 6-20, which is 240 volts, 20 amps, is more efficient than 120 volt, 20 amp circuit. 240 Volt AC power converts to DC more efficiently.
Tesla clearly shows this, if you compare a NEMA 5-20 (120 volt, 20 amp, now standard in some places in new homes) outlet with a 6-20 outlet (240 volts, 20 amps). The 5-20 provides 4 miles per hour of charging to a Model Y, while the 6-20 provides 14 miles per hour of charging, more than enough for many Tesla users (8 hour of charging provides 112 miles of charging, enough for most users, and less expensive to install. You have doubled the power (120 to 240 volts at the same current), yet the charging potential has almost tripled! The reason is multiphase power converts more efficiently to DC than does single phase.
In other words, installing at least a 6-20 can save you money over using a 120 volt outlet over a short period of time. The 6-20 is also easy to install, using standard 12 or 10 gauge Romex.
That’s a really good point! I just think Tesla owners go for top performance in everything, even charging. It’s in their DNA to spend money to get the best. Know what I mean?
I also think the majority of owners ARE NOT the kind of people to do their own electrical work. So if they’re hiring an electrician to run a new circuit, the labor is the most expensive part of the bill anyway. The cost difference to do 20-amp to 50-amp may be negligible.
I just ordered the Hubbell. I agree that you don't want to go cheap. I want to run the wires through a conduit with wires already going through it. It's only a 10 foot run from the breaker box to the outlet. To save space in the conduit, can I use 6 Awg wire for the red and black but 8 Awg for the neutral?
No all three should match. But you can use a 6-50 outlet and only need 2 conductors.
Check local electrical suppliers for the Hubbell... I've bought half a dozen of these for RV and generator hookups and paid less than $10 for that exact receptacle.
Wow I’m shocked. (Pun intended)
Any suggestion for outdoor?
Thanks for all the educational videos you produce, they are easy to follow. With the Hubbell 14-50 being out of stock for many vendors, do you have any opinions on the Hubbell RR450F for EV charging? Thanks
The RR450F is residential grade, not industrial grade. As an alternative industrial grade, look for the Bryant 9450FR at Grainger. Much better price too.
@@handydadtv sincerely, thanks for all the good insight in your videos and comments
Watch my latest video for more on this subject. th-cam.com/video/R2cRNzSbw48/w-d-xo.html
The Hubbell has stronger contacts. I have seen cases where the cheap ones have melted. FYI the hubbell has a slightly larger diameter and needs a special cover plate.
Yeah I learned that the hard way.
While researching for a heavy industrial outlet, i found a little less pricey outlet by Bryant Electric 9450FR 50 Amp 125/250V NEMA 14-50R sold for about $48, apparently Hubbell and Bryant are from the same company.
Hubbell NEMA 14-50 is TOO EXPENSIVE! Do this instead.
th-cam.com/video/R2cRNzSbw48/w-d-xo.html
Hi, thanks for all the information. I purchased a industrial grade nema 14-50 outlet. It require 2.465" diameter cover. However, I only can find flush mount cover with this size but can't find exposed work cover for this size. Could you recommend one for exposed work cover? Thanks!
Try Grainger.
Outstanding and precise video!!!
Damn, I would like to support so much an American product. But the price is so much higher... ( I clearly see the higher quality)
Just installed it - th-cam.com/video/OfdEitiM6u0/w-d-xo.html
Great video. Me, I do not settle for the cheap ones. There is a reason Tesla recommended the Hubbell. I am sure that Tesla has done their research with NEMA plugs. If I am riding on my expensive investments, why would I settle for a cheap NEMA plug? Remember the old saying, "You get what you pay for." It is like, if I own an expensive Porsche race car, would I buy some cheap Chinese made tires for it?
Totally agree 👍🏻
Do we need to bother using the neutral wire? I don't think it gets used anyway. Just curious. And thanks for the Hubbell tip!
The Tesla UMC doesn't use the neutral, so you can install a NEMA 6-50 instead of a 14-50 and save a little money on the copper. HOWEVER, I would still recommend the 14-50 for greater compatibility with RVs and other EV chargers in the future.
There is an improved Leviton 14-50 improved outlet 279-S000 which is roughly $12 and that may contend well with all other choices besides Hubbell
Thanks
Another thing to consider: If that Leviton fails, you also need to replace the plug as well - not just the receptacle. The replacement cost adds up fast.
Very true.
I have AL prewire in the wall. I would like to use the Hubbell receptacle. In the video at 7.53, on your handwritten summary you say Hubbell "AL-CU wire", but on the left side screenshot "NEMA 14-50 Details" it says "Copper Wire only". I'm now confused, can I use the HBL9450A with AL wiring?
No. Hubbell is copper only. That was an error in the video.
Hey. I currently have a 30 stove plug outlet that I am no longer using. Was wonder if I can repurpose that circuit for an outside tesla charger? Is there a 30 amp outlet that will work with the tesla umc?
Yes, you can buy the 10-30 or 14-30 adapter for the UMC, then change the outlet to match. 14-30 has a neutral; 10-30 does not.
I have Eagle and Leviton Nema 10-50 outlets that are over 30 years old. None have failed and all made in the USA. If you ever have to use a screw terminal you need to crimp a sleeve over your wire ends and torque your screws correctly.
Thanks
As I'm watching this, I'm seeing a recommended video from the same channel to avoid the Hubbell. I must go watch now....
Opinions change. 🤷🏻♂️
The Bryant 9450FR is 2nd place to the Hubbell and also made in the USA.
Good to know. Thanks.
What about the Intertek 50 amp receptacle? It came in the outdoor RV outlet box I purchased
I have no experience with that brand.
I would have liked to see some sort of actual charge test or maybe test the outlets for wear after plugging in 300 times. But thanks for the video.
Actual charging won't be impacted. They're all UL rated for the power. The big difference is in duty cycles... and yes if you plug/unplug it several hundred times then you'll definitely have problems with the cheaper connectors.
Good info. Does the Tesla use 120 volts when charging from the 14-50 outlet? I have a 6-50 outlet and am thinking of changing to 14-50 to match a relative's 14-50 for their Tesla when we go to visit. On the other hand, I could just get 2 adapters, one for each outlet and call it good...
6-50 only has two wires (plus ground). 14-50 has three wires so you likely can’t swap it. But I wouldn’t waste your time anyway. Just get two adapter.
BTW, both 6-50 and 14-50 are 220V outlets so you’ll get an equally fast charge from both.
Thanks!
This shows the flaw of the rating system of Amazon. People who generally buy this suff on Amazon buy the cheapest option. As a master electrician, we use Hubbell and I absolutely China made stuff at all costs. The Eaton surface mount one you showed is what we commonly install for electric ranges. Ground is always up on any 250 volt recept. I would have no problem using SER cable which is aluminum to something like this in my own home.
Thanks for the info
I totally agree with your recommendation. If you are doing the work yourself, you are already saving hundreds of dollars. Better to go with the best device and do the job once. Also, the clamping method of wire connection just sounds so much more secure and safe to me. I don't think I saw any mention of the circuit breaker needing to be GFI, but if its in the garage or outdoors, you will need to use one of those to be code compliant (as well as safe.) That is going to cost you over $100, too. Add $65 for 100 feet of 6/3 copper wire and $20 for a box, staples, cover plate, and you are still under $300 for the job, saving at least $300 on having it done by an electrician.
I still haven’t installed it (haven’t been commuting!) but I don’t remember the Tesla installation guide saying it needed a GFCI circuit breaker.
@@handydadtv I said that based on the NEC requirement that most municipalities use for code compliance. Here is the reference "The NEC mandates GFCI protection in many areas of the home: bathrooms, garages, outdoor receptacles, crawl spaces, basements, kitchens and anything within six feet of a sink or water source." Tesla probably should update their instructions, since 90% of installations would probably be either outside or in a garage.
There is some debate on whether a GFCI is needed for the UMC outlet, and some say it causes issues. forums.tesla.com/discussion/177035/anyway-of-making-the-ride-smoother
@@handydadtv Thanks for the heads up, HandyDad! I want to look into this before I install a circuit.
100 ft for 65? your out of your mind... its like 6 bucks a ft..
Hi, What is difference between 2pole and 3 pole? Does it really matter? Please share your thoughts.
2 pole 240v will only work as 240v between the 2 hot poles, whereas you can get an adapter to convert 3 pole 240v to 2 separare 120v circuits by getting the 120v between either of the two hot poles and the neutral pole. 3 pole is required for some appliances that use both voltages, and RVs. 2 pole will work with welders and other equipment that needs only 240v.
I'm in the process of a home being built and adding an EV outlet. The reviews of the outlets was very helpful. Perhaps this is a side bar but why does Tesla say you need a 50A breaker? To the best of my knowledge, none of the Teslas charge at a rate greater than 32A. The 125% breaker sizing means you only need a 40A breaker. Any thoughts on that?
There are no receptacles currently available for 40A. So, you upsize to the next ampereage size. You can use a 40A breaker and use #8 wire. People do that with Electric Ranges all the time.
While it is true the Mobile Connector will only draw 32, the NEMA 14-50 outlet is rated for a constant draw of 40 and requires a 50 amp circuit breaker to meet code. Even the Tesla Mobile Connector Gen 1 draws 40 amp, and you don't know what the next person who buys your home might plug in. Why cheap out on the circuit breaker?
@@rickhall7955 The house is done and I opted for a 50 amp circuit/breaker and the more expensive Hubbell outlet & cover plate. What started my question was that the electrician (for some reason) only wanted to install a 40amp set up. I'm with you on the basic question about what could come next. On top of that, using a properly built 50amp set up is just smart for safety. THANKS!
I used the Leviton 3 years non with no issue. I would think if it fails the breaker will trip.
Hope so
Thanks for doing the review, but knocking out the Eaton because you "don't think it would LOOK right"? If you bring wire from your ceiling it is NOT hanging upside down. It has the ground up when coming form the ceiling and looks great.
Fair point but I still don’t like that one for EV charging. I’ve seen pictures of it melted.
If you use one of these that have screws clamp to the wires use ferruls on the wire ends
That’s a great tip!
I was planning to install my plug upside down so the ground prong is down until I watched this video. It says Tesla asks for the ground prong to be up. Is this a must and if yes why?
The adapter plug has the ground pin in the opposite direction of the cord. If you hang the Tesla charger down below the outlet, then ground pin goes up. If you attach the charger to the wall above the outlet, ground pin goes down.
Hubble all the way. I use nothing else in my business and sleep well at night!
we have a Tesla glass solar roof and two power walls. And just the other day bought a Tesla model 3 dual motor. So now we are installing the charger system. The electrical wiring is now all Eaton. So I am tempted to buy the Eaton receptical. The cord will stay home, plugged in most of the time. And I don't believe in upside down! But we will probably buy the Hubbell. 2023 Tesla's don't come with the cord, you gotta buy it now. We bought a 32A, approx $270.
My recommendation is to buy the hardwired wall connector.
But if you really want an outlet, the brand doesn’t need to match the wiring. Just make sure you go with an industrial outlet.
If you found a 500$ outlet? Would you have justified that purchase as well? Peace of mind?
thank you. in Spanish we have a saying "lo barato sale caro", the cheap ends up costly.
Well said
In English, “you get what you pay for.”
@@handydadtv ...or: "Pay now, or pay more later."
7:04 Forget the $$$ and reviews! Just look at that hefty clamp! IT is a BUY!
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You kind of glossed over the Hawking in your final analysis, preferring to go for the Leviton compario. I have a Vevor model RV-50A outdoor Power Outlet Box, which has the Xiognda receptacle in it, made in China. The heavy duty steel box is powder coated and should last a long time.
Being made in China used to mean cheap knock-off, but that has changed radically over the years. Vevor is also a Chinese company, and its aphorism is “Tough tools, half price”. I really like the Hubble clamps, but are they absolutely necessary? The wear and tear is inside on the brass clamps where the forks go in, and I like your suggestion of just leaving it plugged in. It seems to be working fine for now, and some day will replace it. I feel the plug when it is charging and it is lukewarm but not hot. Is it worth changing? How many amps is the Mach e drawing when it is on its built in charger? It ain’t a Supercharger…
Thanks for the feedback. There’s no reason to charge your car fast in 2 hours if it sits in your garage all night. My EVSE can go up to 32 amps but I personally charge at 15 amps on the daily.
Is the Leviton ok to use? I’m reading that it’s been melting for some people after a couple months use? Is it doing that because the wires aren’t tightened or is it because of the quality? Or could it be from using a 60 amp breaker instead of a 40 amp?
Buy an industrial outlet. Or just hard wire it.
Great review but I could not find the link for the Hubble nema 14 50 you found and you recommend which is I seem to be by that I agree with you could you send me a link please it's really urgent that I get it as soon as possible as it possibly the price went down on Amazon so you don't see it. $68 as you said
The link still works, but the price has increased from when I published that video.
I have a NEMA 10-30 outlet in my garage. I saw a variable EVSE that I can move to 24Amps and get an adapter from 14-50 to 10-30. My only question is there is a green wire coming out of the wall as well (i'm guessing that is ground) Do I need to do something with that? I'm charging a Chevy Bolt EUV.
I hesitate to comment because I can’t be sure why a green wire is coming out of the wall instead of being connected to the outlet. I also don’t like using adapters. Unless you need to keep the 10-30 for something else, I would just replace it with a 14-50 receptacle. You’d still need to keep the 30 amp circuit breaker and charge at max 24 amps, but it would be safer than a cheap Chinese adapter from Amazon.
@@handydadtv I think that is the proper way, future proof the outlet by updating to a 14-50 then labeling as 30 Amp. Hopefully there is a ground in the outlet.
@Joel-re1jz The green wire is likely a ground. But you need to test it.
Hey! I have a 10-30 already installed in my garage workshop (with two 30amp breakers) - is it worth changing it out for a 14-50?
No. If you have a Tesla, just get the 10-30 plug for the UMC.
Love your approach and the value of what you present. We sold our house a year ago and are renting a nice house for a couple of years. When My Tesla Model Y arrives I will need to charge it.
The rental has old wiring coming in to the house and a relatively new circuit panel with lots of room. Unfortunately the panel is at the exact opposite end of the house. So, wiring a 50 AMP circuit would cost $1,500 to $2,250.
Next to the garage (inside the house) is a dryer with a 30 AMP outlet. I was thinking of having an electrician punch a hole through to the garage, put in a splitter and a 10-30 outlet. Cost about $200. ( we do laundry once a week... so being careful to not use both outlets at one time is no big deal to us). Your thoughts?
That’s a great plan and I’d do the same. You can schedule the Tesla to only charge at night when you know you’re not doing laundry.
Sounds like a terrible plan to me. Not only a code violation, so you would be doing it yourself, but all it would take is someone not familiar with the plan to do some laundry. Burning down the house isn’t worth it. How bout installing a gas dryer and using that line for charging?
UPDATE: our plan worked very well. Bought a new place to be near newest grandchild and had a 50 AMP installed (along with some other work we had done). Now I am curious about two related items. 1) new place does not have a garage (I bought a canopy from Costco $250) and car gets hot (even with canopy). So I find I am using air conditioner to avoid over heating and using heater in winter. Anyone know if this is bad for the car? 2) we have a condo in Los Angeles to be near other grandkids (parking is covered but even if HOA agreed, not sure it makes sense to have an electrician run line and install 50 AMP. Should I just plan on using Tesla Superchargers? Any thoughts?
I use overheat protection without A/C only. Max temp is ~110 in the car (I live in NJ).
If you get HOA approval for the outlet in the parking area, think about some way to turn it off so people can’t steal your power. Of course, that might instigate vandalism.
@@handydadtv thanks for the suggestions. I have toggled the overheat protection. I just feel squeamish about A) letting it get over 100 and B) not really understand the cars tolerances or what overheat protection really does.
Can I install the Hubbell outside ? If so, can you recommend a waterproof box?
RV parks use 14-50 outlets, so I’m sure you can get an outdoor enclosure for it. But probably need to get that from an electrical supply, not Home Depot.
Thanks
The Hubbell 14-50 now cost $110 on Amazon. Hubbell makes the Bryant brand that is sold at Grainger. It is the exact same plug but sold under different brands. Grainger sells the Bryant one for $45.
I did a follow up video on that topic:
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@@handydadtv Good, it is a shame that sellers are getting greedy and gouging consumers. It is important to get a commercial grade outlet but $110 is out of hand. Good info to share alternative options.
Capitalism at work.
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Leviton 14-50 (Home Depot) with half contact runs hot, charger will drop to 50% occasionally. UPDATE: I replaced all the Levitons with Cooper or Eaton (several locations). Feels cool to the touch even after several hours.
Thanks for letting us know
I found this to be true also. Glad I found this video. Using Leviton for over 2 years, randomly gets hot so was looking for a solution. Will try the enerlites as I leave mine plugged in always. Thank you for the great video and hard work
I just had my outlet melt the other day. Though I don’t know for sure cause I will be using an industrial outlet (either the Hubble or Cooper) to replace as they use plates to tighten to wire instead of screw as well as better materials for clamps. I like the advice to check heat at outlet.
@@notalenthere There's the Eaton (Cooper) 5754N industrial grade 14-50.
My country happens to use 230v would this adapters still work for me?
Yes
LET me tell you: GO with the BEST quality!
I use the Leviton box and 3 times it melted! Which means came near to FIRE 🔥
AND I’m not even using an”portable” I have a fix EvDuty charger so Imagine if you unplug every day.
Now I bought a Bryant which is QUALITY and more expensive.
If it fails: I’ll open my charger and hardwired it
I always recommend hard wiring.
Supply house sells other brands "like legrand" and the eaton version of the 14-50 you mount in a box
Thanks