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- Everyone knows that EVs charge faster on 240v than 120v, right?
This video is all about the most common 120v outlets in the United States along with some delightfully odd outliers. Most importantly, I'll be covering how to charge with the Tesla Mobile Connector (Gen II) on these outlets and how effectively it'll charge your Tesla.
Look for my future videos covering the 240v Adapters, EVSE Repairs, and in-depth reviews of the adapters mentioned in the video.
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This is the best video I’ve found so far that covers all the outlet types and charging speeds for each of them. Thank you! 🥳
Thank you so much for making this video to help us better understand which does what. This definitely helps beginners learn in depth how and what to do with what they have.
This video is great because it tells me what to do and also recommends what NOT to do. 10/10.
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Great patient delivery and explanation thank you
Thanks man for the very informative video..my electrician just installed a 5-20 outlet in my parking space in preparation for my MY..Cheers from NYC!
You're welcome! The 5-20 is a great choice, for most people it should meet their daily charging needs easily.
this video gives all information that i need as a new tesla owner. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video
Always install a NEW receptacle when using it to charge an EV. Hidden defects like loose connectors, aluminum wiring and old wiring can cause fires. Also, the wiring code may have been updated for your safety.
This is great advice!
Definitely a good idea to install or replace an unknown receptacle/wiring before charging an EV constantly. What may work for a standalone freezer or dryer may not be safe for a 100% load EV.
Great information! Thank uou
50 A are also used more commonly for Large Rvs with Multiple Ac units.
Looking forward to the 240v video; it'll probably be even more relevant to EV owners.
You're absolutely right! The 240v Charging Guide video is now live
Kool!! Interested!
Well done sir.
Thank you sir!
I have been doing pretty good with my 12A / 112 V charging. I have been getting 5 miles of range per hour. It’s way better than I was thinking I would get. I am installing a Nema 6-20 soon. Should be 15 miles of range per hour which should be plenty.
This is great, why are there such little views? Looking forward to the 240 volt adapters video!
Daniel Gauthier Thank you! I’ll hopefully be picking production back up shortly for the 240v video!
@@TeslaRyan waiting 240 V vedio. Thanks for sharing
@@paramagan I've already got most of the video filmed, just waiting on an adapter to be made for the video. Hopefully I'll have it soon and can resume production.
Very good video! I worked with electrical but didn't know that 120 50 amp outlet existed. Very good to know! Regardless, in my opinion, I think it's dumb to use 120v over 240v in a high-powered appliance as it's a waste of copper wire since you need a wire twice as thick to get the same amount of power. If the 120v outlet already existed, adapters like these are fine unless you can convert them to 240v (by connecting neutral to 2nd hot). But, when you are building new wiring for the outlet, 240v is a way to go.
Thank you!
You're absolutely correct and I 100% agree! With copper prices the way they are right now, it would be monumentally better to have an electrician put in a 6-50/14-50 or at least convert a solo 5-20 to a 6-20 to get way more power than most of these outlets could provide.
There are some weird 240v outlets that I cover in the follow-up video as well!
great video
Thanks!
Looking forward to the 240v video
Thank you! I'm actively working on it and it should be coming in the next couple of weeks. Things have been kind of crazy with everything over the past year but be ready, many things are coming soon!
Thank you so much for the informative video! Where did you get the TT30 adapter?
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! I got the TT-30 adapter from evseadapters.com
Important to note that if swapping from a 15a plug to a 20a plug to make sure the wire supplying the power is 12 awg and also the breaker that is on should be 20a as well. Running higher amps on the 14 awg wire that is used for 15a plugs will cause the house wire to heat up and will pop 15a breakers..
How do you find out which type of wire size?
I wish Tesla Mobile Connector did 16a charging. I have a 20a 5-15 outlet and I bought a Lectron Level 1 charger and use the adapter because I get 16a (6mph according to the car)
It’s really a shame that you have never uploaded the 240 V video. It’s very clear that you have the ability and the personality to make a successful TH-cam channel and honestly it kind of blows my mind that I have 1100 subscribers and you only have 30. Nevertheless thank you for the bit
You're welcome and thanks for the uplifting words! Thanks to comments like this, I've actually re-started production on the 240v video and hopefully I'll be able to release it in the coming weeks. Thank you!
i agree with everything u said. this is quality. no gimmicks or frills. just straight info.
If you use a 40A CORDED UMC you could pull 40A at 120V or 4.8kW on the 50A/120V outlet.
That's a good thought! All you'd need was a 5-50 to 14-50 adapter and that would probably work. I may have to test that out and see!
Great Video! What are the requirements to install a 50amp 125v receptacle in the house? I've tried searching up videos on the 50amp125v but no one seems to have it in their house.
Handball Entertainment Network It’ll vary by local code, but generally, it’ll be the same as a 240v 50A outlet, with one less hot wire. In most cases, the wiring is 6ga and it requires a 50A single pole breaker from what I can tell in the NEC 2017 code.
If you don't have one, it would be kind of silly to install a 50A 120v only circuit. I would install a NEMA 14-50, that way if you want to plug in a large travel trailer, you can still get 50A of 120v, plus the benefit of 240v for more efficient EV charging. There's more wasted energy charging EV's on 120v VS 240v at the same amperage.
Speaking of nema 5-30 and 5-50, I'm aware of their existence, however as an electrician that's done my share of residential and commercial, I have yet to actually see them in the field. Since currents this large requires an individual branch circuit, it's kinda pointless to use 120 volts as you can get twice the power with the same amps running 240.
Is it possible to get a NEMA 1430 to charge at a 120 volts?
Where did you get the nema 5-50 receptacle? I can't seem to find it anywhere in the US. Thanks!
I believe when I made the video, I found one on eBay to test/demonstrate with. I did just look up a Hubbell part number: hbl9360 that should point you in the right direction.
As always, you'll want to check with your electrician to make sure it's right for your particular application.
Hope this helps!
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WOW, someone with LESS subscribers than the Loudmouthtim YT channel!!! Interesting info on the oddball 120 volt plugs.
The 12A (on 15A) isn’t from Tesla. It’s a National Electrical code rule that sustained loads run at 80% or capacity- 12A
“Maximum loading for any branch circuit is 80% of rating of circuit for ampacity of wire for any load. NEC 220-2, use NEC 310-16 for ampacity. This applies to not more than 3 phase conductors in 1 conduit.”
Precisely!
So thinking of getting a model Y but all we have is a 15amp that is shared with a garage door opener. Not sure if anyone has had any problems with this tripping breakers, etc. We are just afraid this will pull too much and trip the breaker all the time. Thoughts? Experiences?
You should consult with an electrician for a professional answer, but I checked around and tested on my own and you should be fine to use the circuit as long as both devices aren't operating at the same time.
My garage door is also on a 15A circuit as well so I plugged them both in and sure enough, the breaker trips when I kick up the garage door.
Older garage doors can use nearly 12A at 120v during their startup, which would certainly trip the 15A circuit if there is another device using 12A's on it.
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I am new to Tesla (have a 2023 Model Y Long Range ordered) and trying to learn about electricity, plugs, etc. I found your video very helpful. This is probably a dumb question, but I really want to know: A Tesla Model Y has an internal charger, correct? If true, what is the purpose of the Mobile Connector? Based on my understanding, it is a requirement to have the Mobile Connector (no longer free when you purchase a Tesla) to charge from an every day 120 volt (15 or 20 amp?) outlet. However, I would like an explanation to why you need it if the Model Y has a built-in charger. How does the Mobile Connector change the electricity coming from one’s 120 volt or 240 volt outlet so that it can be used by the Model Y?
No such thing as a dumb question! Without getting into the weeds too much, all EV's (electric vehicles) have an on-board charger that allows them to take electricity from our grid (AC power) and convert that to energy that the battery can use (DC power).
The Mobile Connector, along with all other AC chargers, are technically not chargers, but what is called an EVSE (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment). The sole job of all EVSEs is to supply your car's on-board charger with AC power in a safe way. The EVSE talks to the car and essentially says, "I'm plugged into a 120v 15A charger, I can give you 12A." To which, the car responds, "OK, I can charge with that" and initiates a charge.
A lot more happens there, but thinking of the Mobile Connector and other EVSEs as a smart extension cord is probably one of the easiest ways to explain.
Hope this answers your question! :)
@@TeslaRyan Absolutely answers my question. Thank you. I guess the key word is "safe" and it probably also prevents equipment from damage due to people using extension cords in the wrong way. I finally also understand how this is different from the fast charging "superchargers" that use DC and bypass the car's internal charger.
Hey Ryan, I'm charging my Model 3 on 15amp 120V outlet but for some reason it is charging at 5 miles per hour. How is that even possible? Shouldn't it be much lower around 3 miles per hour? In the app it actually shows that is it charging at 12/12A @ 109V. Surely 5mph can't be correct can it?
Hi there!
In the past few years since I made this video, every Tesla has been updated either with hardware or software that has improved their efficiency.
That means, instead of 3-4 mph of charge, the same amount of electricity can take the car farther, making 5mph pretty realistic.
For example, my Model Y was charging at 4.5-5mph with 12A @ 121v while travelling and it's even less efficient than your Model 3!
If you have a NEMA 5-15 adapter and you plug it into a NEMA 5-20 outlet, can you use the charge parameters for 20 amp charging? I have a 20 amp outlet and I want to avoid buying a new adapter just for that. Can I use the one that comes with the mobile charger?
Unfortunately, each adapter has a chip in it that tells the Mobile Connector what the maximum current it can use. You can turn the current down using the car but cannot exceed it going up.
(Ex: a 20A adapter can be dialed down to 15A, but a 15A can't be dialed UP to 20A).
Hope that helps!
can you explain why not to use the 115 outlet with 2 legs? Unfortunately where I live, i am stuck with this option
You may want to consult with an electrician for a more professional answer, but the main reason is safety. Without a safety ground, if there is a short in the device or the neutral wire, it could cause an electric shock to the user.
The Tesla Mobile Connector actually won't power on with only two prongs as well. If you have a 3-prong adapter and connect the tab or wire to an appropriate ground, it may work, but I have not tested this.
Hi, I have a question. I have the 10-30 dryer outlet on my garage wall, and I am only using the gas dryer. I bought the new Gen 2 NEMA 10-30 Adapters from Tesla. Every time when I charge my 2021 Model 3, the first few minutes can get 25mi/ hr , 24/24V 236v , but after 5-10 mins, it falls to 12mi/hr 12/12A 236V automatically . And never go back to 25mi/ hr , 24/24V 236v again. Do you know what is going on ? I hope you can help me.
There are 2 reasons that I can think of that would cause this to happen.
One is that the thermistor in the 10-30 adapter is detecting that it is getting too hot and reducing the current.
The likely option, which is one I've experienced before, is voltage drop. If the Tesla detects the voltage dropping too low, it will cut the current down and it will never go back up during charging. I've experienced this before with an old outlet at a rental house that would start around 111v and 12A and then when it hit around 108v, it would reduce all the way down to 8A but the voltage would go back up to 111v.
Both of these would probably be due to poor wiring or a failing outlet of some kind. To be 100% safe and sure, I would stop using that outlet until you could contact an electrician to inspect the outlet and the wiring to determine why this is happening.
Hope this helps!
@@TeslaRyan Thank you for your response , and advice. Thank you very much.
If I am not mistaken the fastest charger outlet I have in my house is a 120v 20amp (I think) which looks like a regular 3 prong plug but one of the top ones is horizontal instead of vertical if that makes sense. Anyway, Tesla told me when charging with 120v always charge to 90% so I do but it always stops at 90% then a few hours later it jumps up to 93% just sitting there by itself unplugged and I have no idea why.
I've noticed that with my Model Y as well! I've not seen it on the S, but I'll set the limit to 90% and after it's done charging, sometimes it'll just jump to 92%.
My guess is the Battery Management System (BMS) is calibrating but I don't really know. It's done it for just about as long as we've had the vehicle.
I have seen this on occasion and I think it happens when charging a cold battery. You charge it to 90 but part of it is cold…. As the battery warms the cold portions become available for use and you end up with more than expecting.
What gauge wire do you recommend for each outlet level?
You'll want to check with local electrical code because requirements can vary area-by-area. However, the NEC does list these which you can find here: www.cerrowire.com/products/resources/tables-calculators/ampacity-charts/#:~:text=Wire%20Size%20%26%20Amp%20Ratings%20%20%20,%20%2030%20%2017%20more%20rows%20
Also note that you need to take the temperature into account as listed on the chart as well.
Thanks for watching!
Is there such charger for a non-Tesla EV that plugs into a 120V outlet at 30A? I have a Smart Electric Drive and charge via a 120V Generator. Can't afford to be charging 8-12 hours at a time at 12Amps
I don't know of a charger that's specifically for a non-Tesla EV that can use 120v @ 30A.
The Mobile Connector can be used with a NACS to J1772 adapter to allow non-Tesla's to charge, but you'd have to make sure your Smart ED could accept that as well. Some EVs can be a little picky about the charge they can receive.
We have 120v 5-15 regular household outlet in Canada. on my m3sr+, I get 10 km/h at 12amp, which is 6.2mph, not 3mph claimed in this video.
Since I don't have a Model 3 to test on and to remain consistent, I used the numbers that Tesla published at the time I made the video last year. I think a lot of the charging equipment built into the cars have gotten much more efficient so newer cars typically charge faster than Tesla's own estimate.
I got the estimate from Tesla's Shop website for the Mobile Connector: shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-mobile-connector-bundle
Thanks for watching!
@@TeslaRyan yep I saw other owners got about 3mph on older model 3s, mine is 2021, pleasantly surprised to see it charges at double that speed, which is enough for my situation
@@pengxu8542 That’s great! I honestly think that is plenty for most folks, which would save a lot of money on installing Level 2 chargers.
i am in Canada and can show up how to get 23 klm from 120/60/1 household circuit
The heavy-duty industrial grade NEMA 14-50 receptacles (Hubbell, Bryant) are constructed of fire-resistant Bakelite rather than injection-molded plastic, and their 4 contact springs are heavy-duty with heavy plating, specifically designed for thousands of insertion/removal cycles rather than a few dozen. They also feature specially plated clamp-style wiring connections with set screws which must be carefully tightened using a calibrated torque wrench. A side-by-side comparison is compelling, and there are a rapidly-growing number of photos of melted/scorched/burned NEMA 14-50 outlets posted on the Internet. Sadly, many of these dangerous receptacles were installed by licensed electricians. The price of these receptacles is coming back down (~$75) now that supply is catching back up with demand.
Less-expensive, lower-quality NEMA 14-50 receptacles are unsafe for EV charging and should all come with a warning that they are not designed for and must not be used for EV charging applications. Given the risk, home improvement stores (Home Depot, Lowes, ACE Hardware, etc) should completely stop selling them, and online stores should be required to have detailed warnings. The national wiring codes should also be updated appropriately. No one should die or lose their home over this issue.
That said, a safer, more reliable option is to have an EVSE permanently wall-mounted with a dedicated, hard-wired connection rather than installing a NEMA 14-50 receptacle. And PLEASE hire a licensed, experienced electrician. Don't risk your home and loved ones to save a few bucks. Seriously.
Now that the Tesla/NACS connector is being adopted for EV charging in 120/240Vac North America, the Tesla (Gen 3) Wall Connector EVSE is an excellent value with a large installed base and a well-earned reputation for safety and reliability.
Everything you said is absolutely true! The quality difference of the Hubbell vs an off-the-shelf big box receptacle is staggering.
What amp settings in the Tesla app do you want to use on a 240v 50 amp breaker? Mine goes from 5 to 32.
If you're using the Mobile Connector and all of the wiring is good, 32A will get you the fastest and most efficient charge. The app/car should automatically choose the fastest speed it is capable of, but you can dial it down if you want.
@@TeslaRyan Thank you
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NEMA 6-15 or 6-20?
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 6-15 would let you choose from 5 to 12A and a 6-20 should let you choose from 5 to 16A.
What if I have an older home which has a 220v outlet for the old electric dryers?
The home will likely have a NEMA 10-30 connector if it was built before 1994 in North America, which Tesla thankfully makes an adapter for.
I cover the 220v/240v options in the follow up video I released to this one here if you want more details: th-cam.com/video/CZYr1o3J7AY/w-d-xo.html
What is the strange looking plug on the other end of these adapters
The other end goes into the Tesla Mobile Connector, which connects to the vehicle to charge.
I looked to see if it was a standard of some kind or if it was proprietary, but the lack of information on it leads me to believe it's Tesla's own creation.
nema 14-30 gen 2 did you talk about this or did i not see it?
Since the 14-30 is 120/240v, I actually covered it in my follow up video, 240v Tesla Charging Guide. You can find that video here:
th-cam.com/video/CZYr1o3J7AY/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for watching!
If I were to get a 40a j1772 evse, would I be able to charge a Tesla at 4.8kw?
It depends on the voltage and EVSE, but if it can accept 120v, that would be 4.8kW @ 120v. If you have 240v, that would be around 9.6kW.
@@TeslaRyan yeah, I didn’t know if a Tesla or other EV would accept that much amperage at 120v without freaking out. I don’t see that online too much.
I live in Dubai and I order a tesla from USA is it the same mobile connector or I need to buy the one that in USA ?please help
While I don't have any direct experience with charging a Tesla in the UAE, my USA Mobile Connector is rated for 120-240v @ 50-60Hz. That means you should be able to purchase a Mobile Connector from the USA and then purchase an adapter from Tesla to have it plug directly into the 220v 50Hz plugs there in the UAE.
Hope this helps!
@@TeslaRyan many thanks that’s really helpful
When you charge on a regular outlet cause your 40ft from the outlet and you drive 10 mins in a day and don't care about level 2
Exactly! A lot of people get wrapped up on installing Level 2 chargers when a Level 1 that's already there can easily handle their charging needs.
My house came prewired with a 60amp breaker, is this okay to set up for the nema14.50?
I believe by code you need to have a breaker that matches the outlet rating. There is a 14-60 outlet that would match the breaker, but you’d want to check with an electrician to see if that is feasible with your breaker size, wiring gauge, etc.
As a Licensed Electrician use the 50 amp receptacle with a 50 amp 2 pole breaker & #6awg copper conductor cable. The draw is 30.amp forTesla 240v fast charge. You should never use the 30.amp as it will trip and you ways need room for over current conditions in a.circuit.
Great advice! Though the Mobile Connector only pulls 32A max, folks definitely need to size the circuit according to the max the receptacle is capable of per NEC guidelines in your area. Wiring a circuit with a 30A breaker and a 50A receptacle is definitely a no-go!
No love for the NEMA 14-50???
14-50 is 120/240v so I covered it in the follow up video for 240v charging adapters. Thanks for watching!
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Only rich people have Tesla that’s why
Tesla is the only car that can take advantage of the 120v