Sorry, you have it completely wrong... Rory isn't the reason Lucifer gets "killed". The whole time travel concept in this series is completely flawed, regardless of it existing in the original comics, the show runners should have spent just 5 minutes more thinking about the implications. Rory would have HAD to live through the first 20 years of her life atleast ONCE, before being able to travel back in time to the time she supposedly were the reason for his disappearance. The season was completely destroyed by impossible and bad logic.
I don't understand why an adult Trixie wasn't used in the scene when Chloe was dying. They could of had her talk with her mother and then left the room to get something and Rory could have quickly come in like she did... The ending was unacceptable IMO...
@@coolbeans8952 it would have been weird for one scene to have a random actress turn up. Trixie would be in her late 50’s at least given that Chloe is dying of old age. Remember Rory says she looks much younger than she is due to being half celestial.
@@coolbeans8952 They actually planed for a adult Trixie to be there but because of the pandemic they apparently couldnt find a fitting actress in that short time. Thats at least from what I heard.
My personal guess is that Scarlett Estevez wasn't available for shooting, that they were only able to book her for one episode and didn't want to replace her with another actress. But hey, who am I to bring some real world thoughts into the fantasy product "Lucifer"? ;-)
So many questions/plot holes that ruined S6 and the show for me. 1. Why didn't Chloe and Lucifer ask Maze and Amenadiel for back-up when Rory got kidnapped? They knew it was very dangerous and yet they chose to go alone. It doesn't make any logical sense and you can tell the writers added it just for the drama/angst. 2. How did Rory get kidnapped anyways?? Seems very far-fetched. I know that Le Mec said he could hear Dan speaking / had his memories or something, but still... 3. How come Rory never thought to fly down to hell to meet her father sooner? She knew who he was, and we know she can fly to hell and back. 4. Why wasn't Trixie at Chloe's death bed? 5. Why didn't Lucifer stay with Chloe while pregnant with Rory, and during the birth? 6. Why did Lucifer not say goodbye to Trixie in ep. 9? They did Trixie dirty 7. Why didn't Lucifer visit Rory as a baby? Rory would not have remembered, and it would've made everything easier for both Chloe and Lucifer. 8. Even more so - Lucifer could've spent 50 more years with Chloe, Trixie and Rory, and then after Chloe's death he could've gone back to hell to be a "healer". Why didn't he do that? Because Rory asked him to? That was selfish of her, to put both her mother & father through all of that - for what? So that she doesn't change and can keep carrying all that childhood trauma with her? It doesn't make sense - there are so many other solutions they could've tried instead of temporarily breaking up their family and suffering because of it. Yes, they do have eternity with each other, but those childhood moments and raising a family will not be replicated ever again. They are special moments that they did not live together and won't be able to. *Lucifer as an absentee father thematically invalidates all 5 previous seasons.* Come on, no one wanted to see Lucifer having to abandon his family. And because of what? Some random time travel trope that was random and unnecessary.
Rory wasn't thinking of herself, she was thinking of the billions lost souls in hell. If you have eternal life wouldn't you sacrifice a few decades of pain to make billions of people's afterlife better? Keep in mind Hell time moves a lot faster, when you are enjoying your family time with daddy on earth, it'd be a 1000 years for many people to have to relive their tramaur over and over again. I think that's a very noble thing to do tbh.
@@loveislove2359 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she say it herself in the episode that she doesn't want to change or something along those lines? I didn't get the vibe that you described. And even if that were the case, she should've discussed it more with her parents rather than demand them to do that, because all of them suffered as a result of the decision, not just her.
@@loveislove2359 yes, that was her intension. But is no secret that when you are no longer guilty, you go to heaven. Again, he justo could go back and forth and discover his life meaning by other ways. Even after all of this, he ended up as his father, he didn't choose his family like he said many times in the season.
I felt the same way, there are just so many plot holes in this season and I feel like things are done for dramatic effect instead and of logic. Don’t forget that season 4 was supposed to be the ‘last’ season and then they saw how popular the show actually is and then Netflix went ahead and ordered a new season 5 and that was supposed to be the ending and then same same with season 6. I get why the writers had to do some crazy stuff and let the characters do certain things that seem out of character for us. They just wanted to leave the majority of people satisfied with the ending by leaving it on a high note. I liked the ending but I’m slightly disappointed at the same time. Many of the reasons why you listed in your comment so I get it, but I don’t really think they could’ve ended it better and introduce time travel at the same time… time travel just ruins a lot by introducing it alone and they still handled it pretty well. I’m not truly satisfied with the ending, BUT it’s still nowhere near the Game of Thrones fiasco so yeah I guess that’s a win?
@@loveislove2359 From what I can tell, Rory had two motivations: 1) Wanting to keep her happy ending as is, which is selfish considering how much pain it would put Lucifer, Chloe and Trixie through. I mean, she was there when Lucifer described it as his worst possible torture, and she still asked it of him (more like guilted him into it, but I digress). 2) Not wanting to undo Lucifer finding his calling to help souls, which is definitely noble, but also very self-centred. What made her so sure her involvement was necessary? The only thing she really did to contribute was bring Dan to Earth, which merely sped up the process. Lucifer was already well on his way to discovering his calling before Rory showed up, he would have gotten there eventually, but she didn't even consider the possibility that it may not have all been about her.
Everyone seems to miss the point that Lucifer was screwed over by his father once again. If Chloe was made for him, it was meant to be they had Rory, causing Lucifer's return to hell to heal the souls. To me it feels like a punishment for Lucifer all over again, despite the fact he now saves the doomed souls. He needs to clean up the mess his own father created.
His first punishment he wasn’t given a choice. He was damned to hell to oversee the tortured souls. After learning they self actualize and have the free will to do whatever they choose to Lucifer’s return to hell isn’t at all a “punishment” he’s there this time by his own choice. Rory says before she returns to her own timeline “I’m Immortal, we’ll have eternity together” Because Chloe dies and is a soul she’s also “immortal” and can eternally be with Lucifer. And with Rory understanding why Lucifer wasn’t around for her childhood/life she can now be together with her parents and they can truly be happy together. Rory wouldn’t have been able to understand why Chloe could just “return” to Lucifer’s side after having “abandoning” them for all those years and it could’ve easily created more problems. This was truly the happiest ending any of them could’ve asked form!
I see your point. I am still fine with the ending. I to think they borrowed from the Good Place about those in hell having a chance to redeem themselves. Both shows show more about why we are here than any of the accepted religions that are used to control the masses.
@@charliecomer6001 the writers did right by using the causal loop, or maybe(thanks to all the other time travel theories), she saved him this time(new time line, though hell should be on its time line?)
He didn’t go back to hell because of Rory, he ralized it was his ”calling”. I mean, the ending did ruin the show but it wasn’t his father’s fault for sure. It was him making a promise to his dumb brat child who wanted to put everyone trough years (Chloe and Trixie) and thousands of years (Lucifer) of suffering for literally no reason. He could have visited them on occasion, like Amenadiel did. Also Chloe wasn’t a gift from god, she was blessed by an angel so she could be immune to Lucifer’s charms, exactly so she could have a choice.
I love this show. Probably one of the best shows ever. The only issue I have about the ending or the entire show is, how they didn’t build up a stepfather and stepdaughter relationship between Lucifer and Trixie. I know they both got along, but I feel she should’ve been part of the ending as Rory was.
I kind of hated the end, i mean Lucifer, who was the only character suffering in hell for MILLIONS OF YEARS only had like 5 years of full happiness (and that it's just a kind of happinness because we all know what the character went through), and he had to sacrificed his chance of a happy family life, that he never actually had. He clearly said that the only thing that he wanted was to see his daugther grow and he didn't get to do it. I get the end, but seriously there were better ways to end lucifer's character
Although I was sad Lucifer didn’t get to raise his daughter and kind of confused on the time loop in question I was satisfied with the ending. Everyone ended pretty happily ever after and I can’t be mad about that.
@@joelgibbons4355 Yeah, I mean I didn’t really understand that either. He STILL got the idea after everything. Why couldn’t he go back and forth like Amenidel. And I just hate the chicken or the egg time loop plot line. But again, everyone essentially had a happily ever after so I was happy but I was sad but I was happy. Lol.
@@martinrobo123 It wouldn't be the same actress, Chloe was old, it was another actress, the same would go for Trixie. They just didnt care about the character that much and didnt bother to look it up for an older actress
If a second on earth is a year in hell he had more than enough time to come back up to visit decker but rory made him swear to stay and help people in hell, I really didn't like the way the ending went for Lucifer. They could of just said you need to help people and not just stay there.
Yep retarding writing to force drama. Also, Amenadiel could have fixed the time loop as God. Instead, he let his bro, niece and Chloe suffer 22 years xD
@@bigboss1737 y’all gotta think in terms of eternity, not human years. Lucifer was always meant to be absent during the time when Chloe IS ALIVE. This way, Rory will always travel back in time to help him discover his calling and continue the cycle, after Chloe’s death they will always be able to visit each other anyway, FOR ALL OF ETERNITY. So good ending in my opinion
Be reminded that the earth is over 4 billion years old and hundred thousand people die a day. People dies while Lucifer is down there and people die before that. And one soul takes time to be saved
I thought that too, why couldnt Lucifer visit Chloe, at least? I think its because thats too risky. It greatly increases the chance that Rory would find out, one way or another. And if she did find out, there goes the timeline she made Lucifer promise to preserve.
Sorry to say I found this season disappointing. It def had its funny moments, and I don’t mean to nit pick, I know Trixie didn’t have a huge role but somehow a character that’s been around for 6 seasons isn’t there when her mom is on her deathbed? Really? And if anyone can explain why Lucifer had to stay in hell permanently I’d really appreciate it. Maybe I’m missing something…
Right! Also, I would have love Trixie to have more one and one time with Lucifer! But, it was all focused on Rory! And, if Amenadiel can be God and come back and forth to raise his son, then why can't Lucifer?It is not really explained well, but more implied that Lucifer is going to be super busy. Like, Lucifer isn't going to be working 24/7 to be a therapist for souls.Also, couldn't Lucifer employ past souls in heaven who were psychologist to be psychiatrists in hell? Like, if hell is full of millions of souls it would take Luci forever to help them all.lol. ohhhhh this show! I mean, in general i did really like the ending. And, it is beautiful when Luci and Chloe were together in the end. I think the writers just really liked the idea of Luci and Chloe having been separated for a long time so when she died she could finally be with him for forever and to show that time on earth is really a blink of an eye compared to forever.Also, maybe the writers didn't want us to see an aging Chloe grow old with Lucifer who can't grow old?
@@clisaa6974 it was because he made a promise to Rory not to break the time loop so he can go over everything again and realize being God wasn’t his calling
@@sahndoubobinshkiiv593 I mean sure, he would have not realized his calling at the moment that he did if Rory wasn't there in that timeline with him. But there is always a chance that he would have realized his calling at a much later time. I mean, that is an option but the writer's decided to go for a more emotional approach? I think so. If feels like the writers wrote the reason for his absense but then forgot to add the reason for it. So they went with the most straightforward method. I enjoyed the season but still bummed out with the ending. Not sure how I feel. That is why do not mess with time travel in your writing lol. People take time travelling way too seriously.
I really like this ending, one of the best I've ever seen but with three things it would be a more rounded end for me: 1. Trixi finding out about the celestials 2. A talk between Azrael and Ella 3. An explanation of what the hell happened between Constantine and Maze in the past!
I'm sure a comic writer will fill that in someday. They wanted to do more with Trixi, but the actress had other commitments that clashed with the shows filming schedule due to COVID. Constantine always was more of a cameo more than a character in Lucifer. A way to acknowledge that all DC properties exist in the same universe similar to the comics.
considering that Lucifer is a constant in all DC Timelines/Shows... particularly since for the most part the multiverses kinda merged, at least with Earth-Prime or Earth-1... Lucifer could always make a guest appearance...just like Constantine does on Legends of Tomorrow!
I am grateful to Netflix for reviving this show and giving it a proper ending unlike Amazon, but the ending we got was pretty lacklustre and rushed (we only got 10 episodes). If you ask me, I don't think the ending has a secret meaning or anything like that but rather a quick way to tidy things up, except for Trixie, she was almost irrelevant this season and wasn't even present when her own mother was on her death bed and didn't question Lucifer's disappearing act. I feel like the ending was more of a feel-good ending rather than an actual ending. I didn't expect the final villain to be Chuck from Supernatural with a shitty French accent lol. Also, what happened to Micheal? I know we saw him as Hell's janitor, but you would think he'd want revenge against Lucifer for cutting his wings off, right? So... what happened to him? If Lucifer changed to such a degree that he believes those who end up in Hell deserve a second chance, then why did he not make peace with Micheal? I know him having the same face as Lucifer was cringey af, but you'd think Lucifer's TWIN would play a bigger role in the overall story, but nope. God was more irrelevant than Trixie, and Rory was the worst character in the entire show. The writers can't just say she's Lucifer's daughter who time travelled and now we are supposed to care about her despite all she ever does is bitch and moan about Lucifer not being around despite being a good person who would never intentionally abandon anyone much less his own daughter. As I said, I am glad this show got an ending, but for me... it just wasn't worth the wait.
Yea, wasn't Lucifer trying to make sure Michael could redeem himself? How does forcing him as a prisoner in hell scrubbing the floor gonna do him any good?
I get the whole Micheal thing and I wish he got a proper second chance to redeem himself rather than seeking revenge they messed up there but as for Rory for me I loved her character
@@kellisuzuki8889 Ever had a demeaning job? It can either make you hate yourself more or humble you. Since angels self actualize, one day Michael will be able to grow his wings back. He needs to face the fact that his own ego got in the way of his whole family. And also, that scene of him brushing the floor was BEFORE Lucifer realized he needs to be the healer to hell. I bet when Lucifer gets back he will help his brother further.
I wish we had to wait a little longer for this season so it could have been written better with more episodes. Also the cast and crew needed a vacation before shooting this season.
I’m sorry the ending just didn’t make sense. At all. Cheesy with no logic. Why can Amenadiel multitask but not Lucifer lmao? Plus with the time being faster in hell. Like a second on earth is a year in hell or something, Lucifer could have easily visited Chloe and Rory. And even without the time thing Lucifer could have visited Chloe. Time travel in shows are usually a shit storm and this was no different. Shame, the show was very good. The only complaints are that Lucifer is weak af and the ending just didn’t make sense. Like the time loop will be infinite. It will happen time and time again. If i misunderstood something please do correct me though. But still the show could have ended in a better way.
I believe the ending was just lazy writing. I thought most of the season was enjoyable but as soon as time travel came in, I knew that there was a chance of failure on that part. Everyone is arguing that without Rory Lucifer would not have found his calling. I mean, sure. That could be true for the time being but there is always a chance that he might realize his calling at a later time. It didn't have to be Rory to make him realize. Hell, half the shit he did or corrected was thanks to people around him in the present. Even without Rory he would have realized his calling at a later time. As for time loop theory, it was a load of bull imo. Never jump into time travel if you cannot justify. The entire season is about having free will abd breaking the chains of a written fate which cannot be changed but in the end did Lucifer really had any free will? I mean God knew the future or so the show implied. Does this really mean that you have free will? And if time loop exists doesn't that mean that you are stuck with the fate written for you if you cannot break out of that loop? Time loops are temporal paradoxes that trap the exploiter of time in time itself. This is what I can write without going too deep into time loop. It's not an easy concept to grasp without getting into physics. The Girl Who Leapt Through Time does a much better job at time loop theory. Well, its a soap opera so I tend to enjoy it simply for what it is but I'd like them to not jump into time travel if they cannot do it right. That is all.
I wont lie this season sucked it made no sense like what was the point of season 5 and his family dying for him I don't understand and it went full on woke in season 6 I'm sorry I love the show but it's not good
@@cookingwitchefzayy8830 yes! Like what was the point of season 5??? Lucifer fought and even sacrificed himself for Chloe and to defeat Micheal and become God. I’m not mad that he isn’t the new god but i’m mad how they did it.
only thing we missed was trixie finding out the truth, there’s no way she doesn’t in the future but i wish they showed it on the show completely forgot to say ty for the likes lol
Really bothered me that Chloes first kid wasn’t there to see her go. Don’t know why they didn’t add her to the end but over all good ending and glad it had a true ending
The Trixie oversight as Chloe died has been mentioned, but is NO ONE going to mention the fact not even one character seemed to put together or even MENTION the fact the son of God walks the earth now?
They didn’t really say why lucifer even had to leave for the years. Couldn’t he have come and gone like amendial. You think it would have played a bit more into the apocalypse thing or something
He left to help out the lost souls in Hell and if he would return, Rory wouldn't be angry enough to time travel back to the past and help Lucifer make the realisation that he should be Hell's healer, therefore he had to stay away until Chloe's death.
That was actually said very explicitly right after Rory gave Lucifer the idea of returning to hell as a healer. If Lucifer would come and see his family every now and then, Rory wouldn't get so angry about him that she travels back in time to confront him, which means she would never give Lucifer the idea to return to hell in the first place. That's what the time-loop means
They just wanted to trap Lucifer down in Hell doing a job he's clearly shit at. He can't be a very good therapist if he's still working on french guy and Lina's ex after billions of years in hell...
@@allarian8726 what... that is such a terrible insight. Plus, those two guys were some of the most troubled people in the show; they'd take time and maybe he didn't get around to them until that time.
A lot of you are really overcomplicating this. Lucifer being able to help people out of their time loop was heavily implied and earlier seasons it was the clear and obvious thing that he was going to do. He could not come up to visit Rory and Chloe because it would threaten the time loop. It has nothing to do with time as he even says he could still pop by in the episode but Rory urges him not to. It was very clear that Lucifer was not going to take over as God it obviously did not fit him. Although Chloe had to live a lifetime without him she literally gets suspended eternity with him. The only part I did not enjoy was the lack of Trixie in the season she definitely just felt like a tool to help Dan. She was definitely second to Rory and that bothered me. But in terms of storytelling there was a great call back to previous seasons and a wrap up that really made sense and was actually very happy
"He could not come up to visit Rory and Chloe because it would threaten the time loop" Naaah he could've been with Chloe while pregnant, he could've been there for the birth, he could've been there with Rory as a baby because she wouldn't have remembered it. Bad writing.
It’s a bootstrap paradox, where there is no origin of the reason Lucifer left in the first place causing Rory to be angry originally. . But how was she angry enough to time travel if she didn’t time travel up until that point of Chloe’s death to create an alternative timeline? It’s just dumb, they could’ve focused more on trixie instead of introducing stupid time travel
sn't DC part of the string theory multiverse? Couldn't God have fixed timeloop paradoxes? Why didn't Rory go to hell to see Lucifer before her mom died? And most of all, isn't staying with your loved ones more important than finding your calling, even assuming that it's impossible to do without a very specific and dumb trigger? This season was a lazy writing shitshow. Terrible endings that made most of the character arcs pointless, except for Dan, Even and Maze, and Lucifer himself (his decision to be a healer only - how they reached it was awful).
one of my favorite series. was just so good on so many levels. and always loved the take on the devil, how he isnt just a random evil doer only out to destroy and cause chaos, that he is also being punished by being in hell and that he isnt necessarily the bad guy of lore as he is the one punishing the evil. sad that the shows over, but glad it didnt drag on and on and get terrible like so many shows do.
Very bad writing this season unfortunately. The drama was forced and unnecessary because Amenadiel, Lucifer's brother, became God and could have fixed everything with the time-loop. Instead he let his bro, niece and friend Chloe to suffer 22 years. Furthermore, there is no point on Lucifer missing his daughter's life because he can always fly to earth but yep suddenly he can't and must stay 24/7 to Hell for 22 years. Finally, Rory could fly and visit his father in hell, as demonstrated earlier in this season.
It wasn't even 22 years. Way more than that because when Rory mentioned about her Mom's death Chloe was shocked that she dies in 20 years but Rory tells her it's way longer than that; she's older than she looks because she's half angel. Let's say Chloe is 35...20 more years would mean she'd be 55. That woman portraying Chloe in the future looks wayyyy older than 55.
yea. WRITERS make it more complicated, why just let lucifer go to hell help a soul or 2 to heaven and then go home like a day job. he's still doing his duty in hell and wont miss her daughter growing up
I believe in literature we call this a "deus ex machina" ending, one where all the plot holes were resolved by something that was unexpectedly pulled out of the writer's a**, logic be damned.
My problem is that Amenadiel could've facilitated making sure Lucifer came back to earth the moment Rory returned. He could've been there when she got back to be with his girls for that moment, also letting us know Lucifer would be in Rory's life from then on.
Im just sayin why couldn’t lucifer pop up once a week to at least see Chloe, he could have seen her in a hotel and Rory would have never known, timeline unchanged and Chloe doesn’t have to spend 50 years without him
but in his timeline healready figured out his true calling so who cares about an alternate timeline where he will never even interact with that separate timeline
right before Rory returns to her time: lucifer: no problem, i can pop back to earth whenever i want. Rory: no you can't. lucifer: oh oke. and why tf was Trixy not at her moms death bed?
The reason why he cant go back and forth is because if he did, rory wouldnt be angry with lucifer, therefore not going back in time, which leads to Lucifer not finding out that his calling is to heal the souls of hell
@@peterh4807 but that's stupid. Why would he heal souls in the first place? He always hated hell and the thing he truly wanted was to life his life w chloe and rory. And he never got it because of what? Not already does the reason you end up in hell (bcs of guilt, not bcs ur a bad person) already suck and not making any sense but u go to hell and heaven for a reason. I dont believe in the afterlife but still, looking at it biblically, the reason u go to hell is bcs ur a bad person. Why the fuck do people like rapists, killers, abusers etc (like Le mac) deserve redemption? I mean the last season is so contradicting to other 5, especially bcs of Lucifer always hating his dad for leaving him. It makes no sense at all. And even if he couldnt meet rory bcs of the time loop, he still could've been there when she was born and while she was a baby (especially considering 1 second on earth is 1 year in hell, giving him plenty of time)
I thought the whole end to Lucifers part was pretty bad. Let me ask you a question. Would you - 1. Liked to have fulfilling life with both of your parents alive and healthy. Loving and taking care of you and everyone you loved. Or 2. Basically force your father to reenact the sins of his father of not being able to be there for his family. Have your mother struggle to take care and raise of you and your sibling alone. Then grow up to despise your father so much as to almost kill him for not being with the family, even at your mothers deathbed. All to realize he left you because you time travelled back to ask him to give you that pain in order to mature as person. Like seriously think about it. Luficers daughter chose the second option instead of the first. My hate for the ending basically boils down to this: The choice to step away from the time loop could have been made. This change would have surely given Lucifer and Chloe and they’re family a way better life. But they choose pain because their daughter wanted to mature a little. Given the circumstances, I’d bet Luficer and Chloe could have raise an even more matured Rory than the Rory that grew up without Lucifer. Edit - before anyone says Lucifer wouldn’t have found his calling in life if Rory didn’t show up… We’re talking about Lucifer here. The guy who gets fixated on a goal every episode. Each episode literally ends when he accomplishes his goals.
@@OneOhNine you also have to remember that Lucifer was immortal and Chloe wasnt. Which means he'd had to watch her turn old and gray alone and then die and all that, which made me realize that it probably was one of the reasons why they made him disappear and had to end it that way.
@@Myselfasrose you forget that lucifer is an angel. he can still see her on the other side. on another note, she somehow reverted into her younger form in heaven when she died from complications at an old age.
Disagree...you know what this show didn't follow any of the time travel rules, Rory being transported to the future, yea that's not how it works...she can't exist twice, because she was going to be born and live a life before time traveling so her present self being taken back to the future at the end doesn't work, and that's why flash season 5 did this better coz they understood this...also I don't get how seeing everyone happy without any consequence is satifying..like would it have killed the writers to commit to anything this season, lucifer's going to die...."oh don't worry about it, it's not like we can actually commit to that"....Rory is going to kill lucifer....."eh, let's just make her his daughter"...any consequences in the finale..."nah, let's not do anything we have been teasing all season long"..I'm disappointed by how dumb it was too..."I lost my wings so I can go to heaven" do the writers know that heaven isn't a physical place...you can't take a jet to get to heaven coz it don't work like that, also what's the point of a hell if people are inevitably going to heaven..the reason why he'll and heaven exist is because of a lil something called consequence, otherwise the system stops working coz Hitler is just going to be forgiven for killing all those people or some other fucked up human being is going to find "healing" just because.....if this was real then it would eliminate the point, so the message in there isn't valid or clear coz things you do have consequences and you pay for things you choose to do
@@Dkdid9183 wow, best show ever huh?, I mean it's good but there's way better stuff out there, also they shud change the shows name from lucifer to lil puppy dog, who used to be a badass..ehh, millennial, am I right?(I'm not right and it was rhetorical)
I’d have preferred a happier sequence leading up to the ending but overall they end up in a good place. My biggest issue with the ending is how Lucifer and Chloe react to being together again finally, Chloe had to wait decades but Lucifer thousands of years as he was in hell. I also wish we saw that Lucifer wasn’t actually alone for that entire time though, after earth’s equivalent of 20 years (still a long time but long before Chloe ascended) Rory comes back from the past now knowing exactly where Lucifer is. So obviously can go to see him, the comfort of his daughter being with him would definitely ease the pain of loneliness a massive amount. Rory would have also then been able to explain to Trixie the whole situation and that she would definitely see her mother again. Lucifer now not having to maintain the time loop would also be able to go back to earth.
Some ppl are disappointed, but when I watched the previous seasons, I realized that it really sucked that Lucifer & Chloe had so many setbacks because of self-doubts, mistrust, etc. & not knowing when that uncertainty would end. So it's actually nice to finally see them really together, no more doubts & questions. Although later they have to be physically apart temporarily on earth, they are still together somehow, they have each other in their minds & hearts. Plus they eventually get reunited for good and no more hindrance.
Chloe's and Lucifers journey was complete in season 6. Of course, who wouldnt have liked to see more of the devilish duo solving murders and facing supernatural threats, but I think the writers did a fantastic job and ended the show on the high note it deserved. Anything more than this would be dragging it on and would have brought down the quality. The ending is bittersweet, and makes me very sad for Lucifer... but, it is, in many ways, the ideal ending for one of the best shows on television.
its the kind of ending that doesnt make sense yet you're trying to make the ending make sense in some way...its weird, Rory went to her mother's deathbed in her timeline right? Its weird anyway, amenadiel could come back from heaven every now and then but Lucifer cant? No sense
@@madhunter6420 its not the best ending, but its one of the good ending, it a bit rush, but it does explain a lot, sometimes all good thing must end, dont be like HIMYM, they were pushing it too much, i love the show but the ending was weird
That time jump was such a cluster way of not being bothered with telling a story the truth is the writers of this show got lazy about season 5 but it became very noticeable in season 6 they weren’t bothered to do a good story of how Ella finds out lucifer is the devil they just tied it up this whole season felt like they were trying to just tie up loose ends and not actually try to finish the show
Agreed!! I didn't like season 5 either! The final battle was stupid af. 🤣 I would've expected some amazing huge battle for such a fight, but it looked more like a film students direction.
Exactly, I dropped the series half way through a episode after God did the sing and dance routine the 4th time It was getting extremely annoying and repetitive
@@DragaXZ outside circumstances, while noted, ultimately do not give something a pass. Especially when it was due to idiotic mindsets believing it was the end of the world when it simply wasn't.
I kind of hated this, Well Amenagod could multitask why couldn't Lucifer? Or why couldn't he pop up every now and than at least to see Chloe? Hell why did he have to leave right than and there? He could have stayed through Chloe's pregnancy up until Rory was a year or 2 years old than Chloe could have told the same lie cuz Rory wouldn't remember him. The whole series arc was supposed to be about Lucifer not being confined to the fate of being vilified forever only to be confined to another fate. Amenadiel became God which means he makes the rules why couldn't he at least changed the time difference in hell? 30 to 40 years passed on earth, yeah its great Lucifer and Chloe reunite but it means Lucifer was alone for tens of thousands of years, sorry but Rory ruined everything. Everything else on the episode was great especially Dan reuinted with Charllote in heaven, though I would have liked to see the reuinion.
The whole series is based on Rory to build the required anger that makes her travel in time to give her father the idea to HEAL the hell. If he would show up she would have never travel trough time. Smart script. For me IT was an satisfing ending
The only reason he chooses to go down his pathway was because of Rory going back in time and setting them on that path. So if they ever do anything to get away from that path there's a possibility that Lucifer would have never figured out what his purpose was changing the future and risking all those souls finally getting out of hell. So if he stayed around she wouldn't have been mad and it would have changed the future. It's a time loop the show literally explained it.
The writers said that he did visit Chloe every now and then and I think Amenadiel being able to visit Charlie and Lucifer not is to preserve the time loop.
Whole show doesn't make any sense. The show is targeted towards people who wont care about that and still watch it for the romantic drama. That's why they didn't make it about the vertigo Lucifer, it would have been too complex.
Because it was the way it was written,as Rory said, the loop cannot be broken. If he would kill LeMeck he wouldn't figured out his purpose and such. But mostly, because the storywriters tell it this way and you are here to watch, not to try to change things you can't. For exmaple.. like the loop.
Exactly, Lucifer is likely a grand master in every form of martial arts and with his super speed and strength, he could've easily speed blizzed LeMeck and ripped him in half or immobilised him by pinning him down the moment he opened the door But if they did that, there will be no drama at all and that scene would've been 10 seconds rather than 10 minutes
Something has bothered me about the "Rory" storyline, (as well as the child created by Ameenadel and Dr. Linda). A child created by an angel and a human (supposedly), creates a Nephilim, a being that is stronger than their angelic parent. So, if this is the case, how did LeMec get Rory?
This is something that very clearly has NEVER happened in the timeline. Yes, I know it's in the Book of Enoch and Genesis, but the series seems to pick and choose which parts of biblical myth it's going to adapt, and if Nephilim were a thing then nobody would have been so shocked when Charlie was born. "WHAT?? ANGELS CAN'T MAKE BABIES!"
@@Tera_B_Twilight on the other hand, i believe lucifer does mention the existence of nephilim in season 3 lol. but maybe he was just making fun of the myth? who knows
I think the ending was somewhat predictable (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, as an ending that goes against the characters and their story arc can completely ruin a franchise, just look at Star Wars), and even though the time travel plot felt a bit convoluted to make Lucifer realise his role as a healer, I still found it satisfying and entertaining. I missed Trixie, like others already have pointed out. All in all, this was a good show that got wrapped up in a good way, and it's not something that we get that often.
I wouldn't have said predictable. I came up with at least 4 different ways it was going to end as the story unfolded. Strongest was,i thought it was Trixie that would need to be saved.Earlier when Amenadiel returned from heaven,that Lucifers presence on earth was turning it into hell,fire and brimstone type. Or,even though last of power had been used,he would end up in his mum and dads universe. Obviously this was far earlier. Ending was,well obvious. We know there is an afterlife,so how else could it have ended?
Chloe is a terrible mother. Lucifer's choice was selfless and righteous, and she refused to tell her daughter about how great he was, thus condemning her to an angry, frustrated life (I'm guessing Rory is in her 40s, so they had the time).
It’s just confusing because Rory coming to the past does change the future. Doesn’t that break the “rules?” And is there 2 timelines? Time travel is just bad writing
@@wesbrown738 everything that happened, happened exactly how it was suppose to happen. Future Chloe already knew Rory would go back to the past. Time travel complicates stuff but they tried to make it as simple as possible lol
@@christophernelson751 the main thing is there’s no reason lucifer left in the first place causing Rory to time travel originally. So it just doesn’t make sense
@@wesbrown738 It's a closed loop. Lucifer left and didn't come back because he promised his future daughter that he wouldn't change the timeline. Thus Rory gets born grows up without him, resents him, gets angry enough to travel back in time. Then her being there helps Lucifer find his true calling so she makes him promise not to change the timeline so that eventually her past self will grow up to resent him and travel back in time thus leading to him finding his calling, and the loop goes on. The loop has no origin it's just part of the timeline, a causal loop or a bootstrap paradox. Her coming back changes nothing because that's what happened.
Why did Rory never fly down to hell to look for Lucifer in the future? I mean the first time we saw her in the show is her looking for him there. It's not like that I don't like the ending bittersweet and all but I feel like there are many things that felt rushed and/or don't make sense in this season.
Maybe because Chloe never told her and it's not like angles go to hell for vacation they try to avoid it So she didn't have a reason to go to hell . Until she wanted to kill him .
@@freedomhasacost6661 come on, are you telling me that hell was never on her mind when she was looking for the king of hell? I still think many things this season don't make sense. like, Rory said something like Lucifer will leave her, fate always wins, the future will be the same, etc. but when someone asks about their future she said she can't tell them or it will change the future. what??? she just contradicts her own words.
@@BlackCrossion yeah the time travel stuff doesn't make sense The reason why Lucifer leaved was because she told him to . But she came because he left . The effect comes before the cause Its not possible .
Also, Rory hinted at the fact that maze wasn’t around during her childhood while Eve was. Then at the end we see maze and eve together and this hint seems to be left on the floor
if you're talking about episode 5, she was messing with them. she even pretends not to know who amenadiel was, which makes the characters think he died at the mazeve wedding, which clearly, he did not.
The writers are useless, this is a terrible ending. Beyond contrived. The premise is not thought out at all, anybody can see they were out of their depth introducing time travel and loops, fate and free will. The writers had zero concept in merging these ideas into a cohesive story. I won't mention the amount of modern day politics in it also.... Just horrible and a terrible waste of amazing actors who literally carried the last 2 seasons, like Atlas holding up the globe. Shame. Also I've noticed a lot of people say it was a good ending because it was a happy ending, however as they say it's how you get there. Think with an investigative mind and see the glaring faults with the contrived writing. I will give you just one issue, the rest you have to see for yourselves. How did Vincent get his hands on Lucifer's daughter which he has never seen before. They were miles away, did she fly into his arms? Did he shoot her down from the sky? No it happened so the story could happen the way the writers wanted, a cop out. Dan left the guy that killed him with his daughter with 0 thought no back up and received 0 repercussions, at least him taking Trixie would've been believable but would've marred Dan's ascent. Just no logic to be found in the story, no consistency, just awful. Everyone knew the ending would be, if the devil can be redeemed anyone can from s1ep1 but unfortunately they executed really poorly.
The show would've worked without a 6th season. They just needed one or two more episodes to wrap Dan's arc while Rory shows up and guilt trips Lucifer into not becoming God, which could've been done in parallel like they always do. You can skip 90% of it. Like honestly, I skipped all the Ella and Carol scenes, all the Amenadiel cop scenes, the Eve and Maze scenes... they add nothing because it all gets wrapped by Lucifer and his choices in the 2nd to last episode...
Some people watch a show for the journey and not the destination. It's not all about advancement and knowing what will happen. Those scenes were beautiful in their own way, even if they were not canon.
flash warning i think? idk lol but just in case. also am i the only one who didn’t like the finale that much?? like i’m glad everyone eventually got a happy ending but it shouldn’t have taken that long to get there. amenadiel is waltzing on down to earth to raise his son, lucifer should be able to while helping people as well. he even didn’t want to go to hell full time. for thousands (millions?) of years he’s down there and he doesn’t even want to be. sure he wants to help people but he wants to go see his friends and family as well but he can’t. that’s not a happy ending. also can we talk about how trixie never finds out?? like what does she think happened to lucifer? does she ever get closure on dan? and how tf did le mec headass find rory?? it’s implied they hit her with an elephant dart but how did they find her?? it’d make sense if he lured her with trixie or some shit but they never explain it. k sorry rant over i just finished the ep and i am nottt feeling it sorry if they wanted a dark(ish) ending they should’ve gone with season 4 and if they wanted a happier ending they should’ve gone with season 5 imo. also the time travel plot is just not my favorite, it felt random and out of place in comparison to the previous seasons
The time travel ending can only happen because of two reasons. 1) Free will doesn't actually exist in this universe and nothing the characters do matter and they are in closed time loop. Or 2) There was a Lucifer that did just abandon Rory and Chloe starting all the events of season 6 and this timeline is a new one Rory and everyone else thinks is the same one.
or, free will exists but time is a closed loop. i.e, you make your choices freely based on information from prior to the present, but you have already made that choice because the loop is set. i.e, you have already chosen your fate, you just don't know what it is yet. that said there were plenty of plot holes in the loop as presented in season 6.
Or every single lucifer stayed with chloe, as he said "I would never abandon my daughter", and we got two paths there. 1: one lucifer did abandoned them so gods plan to give all the souls second chance worked or 2: there was no chance for lucifer to leave and fulfill the gods plan so this loop should happen for this to work. Either way I loved it. Before chloe go to lucifer as the last scene I had my doubts about it but after this I think they did it perfect!
Was a happy/sad ending. I am happy with how this series ended . Even though a main character died... example Dan, he was still a part of the show as a ghost and I appreciate that. Usually hate when my main characters are killed off but in this, all my mains remained in the end in some for or another. This was one of the best series on TV and ended on a great note. Wish all shows could follow this pattern. Thanks.
The last few episodes hit me right in the feels. Tears everywhere. I think it ended well. No real loose ends, everyone ended happy except the unborn Rory.
I love this, my budget had whittled down most of my guilty pleasures and this had been one of them. It is nice to be able to know how it wrapped up for Luci and the gang.
I could never understand why Lucifer couldn’t just come back and forth from hell like he could before. Now I get it. Thank you. That helps with closure from the end of the show.
People complain why Lucifer can't visit his family but he is just doing what Rory said and that is not to change anything. Lucifer should be an absent dad so he could understand his calling
It just so hard as it shows AmenaGod quite literally God spending time with Charlie and so if the ruler of heaven can come down from his throne on high why can't the ruler of Hell come from his throne high (or rather therapist swivel chair) to see his child even it just sad I know he did because Rory asked it just sad the sliverlining I guess is that hopefully now they all know Rory can go see lucifer in her time with mum in his office and they can all hug Ella style (though I wouldn't suggest they pop out there wings Rorys are pretty sharp even sharper than mine lol)
@@ErvinMagyar I didnt think about that... Eve could "slip into her old bones" because she was the first woman. I think for Chloe, Amenagod has to help, which, yeah I bet he would, eventually. That means that all characters can eventually go back to earth in their physical bodies! I guess Rory gets another chance to be with her family. This ending, so much potential for fanfiction.
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There's so much good about this season, but I think they tried too hard to refrain from giving us a traditional happy ending. Maybe because that seems too trivial in the grand scheme. But I think the issues don't make sense. How can Amena-god make trips back and forth but Lucifer can't? I do get why it happened for the time loop, but why didn't it happen in the first place? And Trixie not being near her mom as she's dying? No family or friends...just Rory?? Other than that, I loved the Deckerstar moments. I loved Eve and Maze. This season was great overall.
Trixie was so overlooked in the whole series to be honest. That child must have grown up on it's own, they just wrote a child character in the begining and left her there to just be... i guess she became a like an strophysisist or something , she was more into physics and math, but she never actually got to know about the whole celestial stuff? Maybe she "had" to be the "atheist" of the series, the one who refuses to believe in such stuff, but that's not even explained somehow. Even if they could not have the actor for as many shootings as they needed they could have tried a different actor or even just mention her more in the scenario, i don;t know... i feel trixie was a huge plot hole on herself as a character. And i'm a huge fan of the series i must say.
Trixie relationship with the characters was one of the reasons Lucifer was so great... And as series went on they disregard the best relationships for a hugely bratty teen angel in last season :(
I think it is an good ending. Lucifer wasn't made to be god to lead a group of angels to some higher porpouse instead he always so people in their individuality and lives in the moment. We saw him willing to give everything up for the people he loves and in so many episodes he not only understood his own guilt feelings, he also helped other people to see theirs und left their hell loop. He is Lindas biggest patient and this is also why he is such a good thearapist on his own: He can relate the pain and he can see desires as a way to make peace with yourself. Also him abandoning his own child not because he don't love her but because he loves her so much, shows him a parallel to his father who had his greater reasons to abandoning him too. And this may make neither gods or lucifers decision right but it shows that they had to choose between to choices which would hurt on one or another way. But lucifer who always felt like he didn't had control over his actions and his father leaving him let's his daughter choice whether to stay or to help her and thousands of other souls. So He goes back to hell but he goes in absolut peace with himself and without guilt. And so the fallen one helps lost souls and let them raise. Lightbringer leaves lux (which also means light) to bring a chance of seeing the light to the people who can't deal with their guild. I think it's just poetic But two things didn't seem quite right to me: I think Lucifer should be with Rory after she returns from her travelling through the past and be with her when chloe dies cause it's their last moment to be an united living family. But also Trixy is missing in this moment like in this whole season. She seems just to be there for dan but abandoned behind Rory. How ironic.
I feel like the last season was underwhelming…it would’ve been cool if Rory was someone like a hidden sister or something that accident wanted to rule hell or become god rather than being his daughter
personally still not understanding why Lucifer cannot come back to earth to visits in between? The whole season is about anyone can change etc, if he really couldn't find the time, cant he train some demon to help out?
I mean, he technically could still visit. He himself even says that he can. However, if he did that and visited Chloe and Rory then Rory would have grown up with her father. Thus she would never grow to hate him for abandoning her. Thus she would never self-actualize her ability to travel back in time. Thus the events of season 6 can't happen as Rory would never show up. Thus Lucifer would not figure out his calling, possibly would have ended up being God as he had just started believing he was ready to take up the mantel the moment Rory showed up. If he chooses to visit his daughter growing up then he creates a paradox, or well a different paradox as the loop itself is a causal loop sometimes referred to as a bootstrap paradox. It isn't about him not having the time to visit. Which is way Rory makes him promise not to change the timeline. That being said, why Rory never went down to Hell to search for her father in her time period is confusing. The first place she goes when she travels back in time is Hell. Did it never occur to her to search for her father at any point in her life to at the very least confront him about his disappearance? Personally I would have preferred a better reason for his disappearance. Like if he did end up dying to save his daughter. Another theory that I had in mind while watching the season was that Rory would have accidentally pulled Lucifer into the future when she went back thus being the reason he disappeared.
I think season 6 was just rushed to tie up loose ends and they didn't want a happy ending. I mean you want to tell me that the new GOD had time to visit his family from time to time but Lucifer couldn't do the same?
The reason Lucifer didn’t visit wasn’t because he didn’t have time, it was explained that if he was in Rory’s life, she wouldn’t come back in time, causing him to realice his true calling. So if he visited his family, the loop wouldn’t happen and he would never start saving the souls trapped in hell
@@derodriguezp god damn time travel ruining shit but ending was still good well Trixie should've been there for her mom's death is one thing I'd say should've been added in
I totally agree with you 100%. This season was rushed to tie up loose ends without taking into consideration important details. And Lucy's calling is to be a therapist for the damn?! Total BS! This invalidates the self-actualization thing that was built up since season 1. There was also no God's plan apparently so being cast to hell was just punishment as Lucy thought since all Lucy needed was to be told by her daughter what to do.
When you said he caused suffering in his mind a Fate worse than death, i felt in my soul! I've been struggling for years with major depressive disorder and really bad anxiety. I can't tell you the anguish of us with mental illnesses through! It really does feel worse than death.
Thank you! I've put off watching anything from 5b onward because I was worried they'd jumped the shark. This makes me feel a lot better and I want to go back and finish it (and then re-watch it another seven times lol)
I really enjoyed the final season, especially the series finale. First off, Dan was fantastic, so happy he got to say his farewell to Trixie (Should've had more screen time - only gripe), release his guilt and make it to heaven not to mention Eve n Mazikeen tying the knot, was well earned especially for poor sweet Maze. Amenadiel finally owning up to his true desire which was to inherit his father's throne and rule in heaven, was the best and logical choice. Then there's Rory, I loved her and could sympathize, but once you learned the reason why Luci had to leave, made it bittersweet yet as a guy who has had a daughter (sadly wife and daughter left this mortal coil 6 years ago...), it made me smile, tear up and miss being a dad the scenes with Luci and her together, especially in the series finale. Also, love Chloe and she's such a great character, and is strong in the best way. Super happy that Ella got to find out. Well to be fair, she's super smart and enjoyed her piecing it together. The way they rallied around her to help her feel important and reassure that she's love, speaking of which, glad also that her and Detective Carol became a couple. Ella definitely deserved that. Was good to see Rob Benedict come back, however, briefly. Funny, I followed Supernatural for all of its time on the air, so it was a bit strange seeing him become a two bit criminal, but also hated his character for what he did to Rory to get back at Luci. I mean Understand his reasoning, but yeah going back to being a dad it just made me wish Luci would rip him limb from limb. Yet the mere fact that Luci had grown so much as a character and he was there for her (Rory) when she needed him most, just speaks volumes of the weight of the situation but also completing arcs and topping off char growth. All in all, very satisfied with how it ended minus not getting much Trixie. Rant over. Damn fine show, sad to see it end, but it wrapped with a pretty solid conclusion and not get milked for all its worth. Best of vibes!
Lucifer has been around since the dawn of time. He could of realized his calling but stayed with Chloe for at least 18 years of auroras life and been there to transition Chloe into the after life on her death bed. Him being completely gone is sad to me.
You do realise that he is no longer the devil,so to speak. He gained enlightenment. Which is why he had to give up on those 18 years. He isn't God,but a very close second now. Both Chloe,and eventually Rory understood this.
@@patrick3136 Uhh no. That is not an excuse. Even Amenadiel, God itself, had time for his kid. You keep defending the plot of S6. While I'm happy that you and others liked it, many of us didn't.
@@alexandra9944 The time loop is how Lucifer figured out he needed to save souls in Hell; Lucifer left to keep it in place, he even floated the possibility of making intermittent visits to his family until Rory shot him down. #WatchTheShow
My question is, where was trixie when ella was drunk revealing the truth during maze&eve's wedding? Also, if lucifer is not able to visit rory from time to time in order for him to find his calling in another paradox/timeline, then doesn't that mean all along they didn't have free will? I'm hppy that the ending wasn't bad like game of thrones, ATST, it's sad knowing that they spent an extremly long time(especially lucifer) apart. :')
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Overall, a decent season that unfortunately had too much spare time to know what to do with. An entire episode about racism and LA beat cops - I want to watch Lucifer, not Southland. Aside from the obnoxious, creeping, modern day politics which surprisingly enough, Lucifer managed to avoid for most of its run, there was the problem of under utilized characters. Trixie got sidelined hard. Michael in Hell scrubbing floors? Ummm, doesn't that defeat the purpose of his punishment which was obviously based off Lucifer's. Chloe's mom: nonexistent. Also, the biggest plothole: why can't Lucifer just visit Chloe from time to time without Aurora's knowledge. The entire time loop hinges on his daughter not knowing of his existence and why he left. What's stopping Chloe from letting Maze and Eve or Linda run babysitting duties for the afternoon while she spends a romantic day at the beach or something with Lucifer. All I can say is, the show never explicitly proves that final scene with Chloe and Lucifer in Lux was their last moment together on earth. For all we know, he did come and visit every now and then. I feel like happy endings are actively avoided these days because everything has to be so fucking nilhist and edgy, even if that ending could make sense and be logical. Overall, a flawed but mostly successful final season. Honestly half of these plotholes could have been explained away if like 10 more minutes was tacked on to the final episode. Personally, I enjoyed the family/daughter aspect very much since it brings the story full circle, and also opens up the door for a movie/miniseries sequel down the road.
I completely agree with your review. Regarding your last point, the writers said in a recent interview that apparently yes, Lucifer did visit Chloe from time to time. They should've put that in the actual show for us to see rather than trying to damage control with interviews afterwards.
I do agree this was by far the weakest season of the show but in the end they got it very right. And realistically we can skip that episode entirely on rewatch.
Sad that Lucifer had to suffer yet again, away from his soulmate and his only child, had he not been punished enough , the ending felt rushed, I feel one more episode tying up loose ends more neatly would have been nice, but we get what we are given.
there are few TV series that manage to wrap up a series well with each character effectivly ending their own arc, I think Lucifer managed this, and look forward to revisiting this series one day.
Does anyone know the math on how long Lucifer had to wait for his soul mate Chloe to arrive at his therapy room? Because time flows differently and that must've suuuucked waiting so long T_T
in season 1 Amenadiel says 30 seconds probably felt like 30 years (though it was actually around 12 seconds of screen time) in season 2 Lucifer implies 1 minute might not be enough to find Carlisle's hell loop. as lord of hell it shouldn't take him long though. in actuality he is under for 4-5 minutes in the opener of season 5 "Said out Bitch" has died 200 times in the time it took for his body to be found and detectives on scene. maybe 3-4 hours? in season 5 Micheal and Lucifer imply that in the 2 months he has been gone it has been in the low thousands of years in season 6 Dan has been in hell for about 7-10 weeks and implies it has been in the low thousands of years, though it may have been thousands of years since lucifer's last visit, which is presumably nightly. so my best guess is 1 month=1000 years and season 1 they didn't really have the rules of hell set that well yet. so in example 1. 12 seconds=30 years is 2.5 years per second or 31,536,000 years in hell per year on earth. chloe lives another 38-40 years. so 1,261,440,000 years. example 2 lacks hard data to extrapolate. under model 4 he was down there for around 42 days. example 3, if we presume 4 hour response time. that is 1,200 days per IRL day or 3.28767 years per day, 1,200 years per year at 40 years that is 48,000 years example 4.. we can presume it is anywhere from 1000 years per month to 4,999 years per month. personally I prefer around 1,000 years per month. makes it out to be 12,000 per year, or 480,000 years example 5. generally fits with the same model as example 4 really
Most are, that's part of it.... But I agree. ANd the worst part was it wasn't even "terrible" like so many endings are. Some are so bad you can actually laugh at them. This was just mediocre, and forgettable as fuck, and un-did all character development from the previous 6 seasons. (Either by beating the horse into the ground or just un-doing things in on fell swoop... Like Amenadiel wanting to become a cop.... the ending had me thinking... "why even bother?")
As a grown man, this made me shed a tear because of how it tied everything together and was a perfect show. Glad they were able to get the 2 seasons to end it and tie it all together, but was so hoping for like 20 more seasons. Rather have watched this long term instead of Grey's Anatomy.
I binge watched this a few weeks ago. it was one of the best I've seen. I'm writing as your video is playing. Sounds like you have a everything correct.
There's a few things about the final season that just don't make sense to me. 1. In season 5, Lucifer is hell-bent on becoming God so that he can change the system that determines where mortals go when they die, which would have drastically reduced the problem with lost souls in hell, especially for people who truly didn't deserve to suffer for all eternity and also to change the rules so Maze can become the Devil and prevent any Angel from having to be the one to sit on the Obsidian Throne. It's even implied that Lucifer was basically being groomed to become God by his father throughout the series because he doesn't personally step in and force Lucifer back to Hell which is clearly within his power and then the entire 5th season God basically accepts what's happening with a smile before he leaves the universe. 2. Lucifer returning to Hell and staying there makes no sense in terms of his character and his desires, no matter what he promised Rory. It was established in season 5 that 2 months on earth is 1000 years in Hell, that means one year on earth is 6000 years in Hell, which means by the time Chloe dies, Lucifer spent over 300,000 years in Hell helping the endless flow of people in a job that would literally have no end. If Lucifer became God, that number would have trickled significantly and more than likely would have allowed another Angel or even himself as God to still do the work of redeeming damned souls. With all of that in mind, he could have taken the time from the Throne of the Sovereign to spend time with Chloe and Rory, just like how Amenadiel does with Charlie and Linda. He could have still done the good he ends up doing and spent time with Rory and Chloe. 3. Lucifer basically becomes his father without being God. It's established in the series that Lucifer takes trips to the mortal world every few decades before he stayed resulting in season 1 but he never takes a direct hand in the child he helped create, undoing so much of his character development in the process.. 4. Angels self-actualize their abilities, which means that Rory created the power to time travel out of intense emotional duress, but she doesn't self-actualize the ability to be invulnerable when it's super necessary? By the rules set out of the show, this doesn't make any sense. 5. Lucifer literally wages a war on his siblings to become God, something that is full-circle for his character as he, as the Devil, started his entire journey by starting a rebellion against his father. He wanted to become God for reasons so valid even some Angels sided with him when they didn't think he should be God as he was when he wanted the throne for superficial reasons. And then he decides to pass it on to Amenadiel who doesn't have that character arc happen. 6. Trixie got screwed over in the final season. They imply that her character arc was just giving Dan closure so he could go to heaven and that's all she had been used for; a means to an end, literally. It makes no sense given how integral her character is to so much of the series. She's not even by Chloe's death bed? In what reality is that the Trixie we all know? She never found out, on screen, about Celestials or the fact that her step-dad is the Angel that rules the Underworld and was going to become God. 7. At the end of season 5, we see Rory sit on the Obsidian Throne, but in clothing that is 1) completely antithetical to what she would wear for the rest of season (being a short skirt and fishnets) and 2) That she isn't wearing the next moment. Following the chain of events, it would only make sense that Lucifer took the Throne of the Sovereign and Maze is the one sitting on the throne. The series should have had a longer finale; 10 episodes is just too short. This is the one season where 30 episodes would have been much better and a much more satisfying end of Lucifer becoming God and fixing things how he wants. If the ending we got was tear inducing, imagine watching a montage at the end of the series of Lucifer being in Rory and Chloe's life, their wedding, Lucifer getting to do all of those cheesy dad things with Rory and Trixie, Maze taking the Obsidian Throne with Eve at her side, Amenadiel being a loving father and brother acting as a liason for the brother that always was his biggest test and the human world they both love so much. I'm not upset at the ending, it was just disappointing and unfulfilling.
It was a satisfying ending for Lucifer. You can see his arc from season 1 till the very last episode of season 6. I will miss seeing him in LA doing weird stuff, but the show had to end sometime.
😈 RIP Lucifer, see you in Hell! 😈
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just 1 small note 5:40 its amenadeals neckless not azreals its azreals blade
Sorry, you have it completely wrong... Rory isn't the reason Lucifer gets "killed". The whole time travel concept in this series is completely flawed, regardless of it existing in the original comics, the show runners should have spent just 5 minutes more thinking about the implications. Rory would have HAD to live through the first 20 years of her life atleast ONCE, before being able to travel back in time to the time she supposedly were the reason for his disappearance. The season was completely destroyed by impossible and bad logic.
@Alex Audish Amenadiel probably blocked Rory from visiting Lucifer, so the time loop wouldn't be affected.
@@eidodk dude you took that just a tad bit too serious like any of us know how “time travel” works lmao 😂
Not me🤣🤣
I really don’t like how they always disregard Trixie and we also didn’t get an ending for her
Agree! When Chloe passed away especially. Why wasn’t Trixie there also?
@@darkjourney35 trixie was probably there just didnt show on screen, also trixies actress was unavailable for s6 so trixie wasnt in most of the scenes
I don't understand why an adult Trixie wasn't used in the scene when Chloe was dying. They could of had her talk with her mother and then left the room to get something and Rory could have quickly come in like she did... The ending was unacceptable IMO...
@@coolbeans8952 it would have been weird for one scene to have a random actress turn up. Trixie would be in her late 50’s at least given that Chloe is dying of old age. Remember Rory says she looks much younger than she is due to being half celestial.
@@coolbeans8952 They actually planed for a adult Trixie to be there but because of the pandemic they apparently couldnt find a fitting actress in that short time. Thats at least from what I heard.
My question is where was Trixie when Chloe was dying, I'm sure she'd be there
Shld be Chloe told Trixie not to be there as it would affect the timeline. Otherwise Rory would not get angry enough to timetravel back.
She probably very busy I mean she is probably president of Mars right
Sammee hereee 😭😭 I was like wait a min why wouldn’t Trixie be there as her mom dies??
My personal guess is that Scarlett Estevez wasn't available for shooting, that they were only able to book her for one episode and didn't want to replace her with another actress. But hey, who am I to bring some real world thoughts into the fantasy product "Lucifer"? ;-)
Maybe Trixie died
So many questions/plot holes that ruined S6 and the show for me.
1. Why didn't Chloe and Lucifer ask Maze and Amenadiel for back-up when Rory got kidnapped? They knew it was very dangerous and yet they chose to go alone. It doesn't make any logical sense and you can tell the writers added it just for the drama/angst.
2. How did Rory get kidnapped anyways?? Seems very far-fetched. I know that Le Mec said he could hear Dan speaking / had his memories or something, but still...
3. How come Rory never thought to fly down to hell to meet her father sooner? She knew who he was, and we know she can fly to hell and back.
4. Why wasn't Trixie at Chloe's death bed?
5. Why didn't Lucifer stay with Chloe while pregnant with Rory, and during the birth?
6. Why did Lucifer not say goodbye to Trixie in ep. 9? They did Trixie dirty
7. Why didn't Lucifer visit Rory as a baby? Rory would not have remembered, and it would've made everything easier for both Chloe and Lucifer.
8. Even more so - Lucifer could've spent 50 more years with Chloe, Trixie and Rory, and then after Chloe's death he could've gone back to hell to be a "healer". Why didn't he do that? Because Rory asked him to? That was selfish of her, to put both her mother & father through all of that - for what? So that she doesn't change and can keep carrying all that childhood trauma with her? It doesn't make sense - there are so many other solutions they could've tried instead of temporarily breaking up their family and suffering because of it. Yes, they do have eternity with each other, but those childhood moments and raising a family will not be replicated ever again. They are special moments that they did not live together and won't be able to.
*Lucifer as an absentee father thematically invalidates all 5 previous seasons.* Come on, no one wanted to see Lucifer having to abandon his family. And because of what? Some random time travel trope that was random and unnecessary.
Rory wasn't thinking of herself, she was thinking of the billions lost souls in hell. If you have eternal life wouldn't you sacrifice a few decades of pain to make billions of people's afterlife better? Keep in mind Hell time moves a lot faster, when you are enjoying your family time with daddy on earth, it'd be a 1000 years for many people to have to relive their tramaur over and over again. I think that's a very noble thing to do tbh.
@@loveislove2359 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she say it herself in the episode that she doesn't want to change or something along those lines? I didn't get the vibe that you described. And even if that were the case, she should've discussed it more with her parents rather than demand them to do that, because all of them suffered as a result of the decision, not just her.
@@loveislove2359 yes, that was her intension. But is no secret that when you are no longer guilty, you go to heaven. Again, he justo could go back and forth and discover his life meaning by other ways.
Even after all of this, he ended up as his father, he didn't choose his family like he said many times in the season.
I felt the same way, there are just so many plot holes in this season and I feel like things are done for dramatic effect instead and of logic. Don’t forget that season 4 was supposed to be the ‘last’ season and then they saw how popular the show actually is and then Netflix went ahead and ordered a new season 5 and that was supposed to be the ending and then same same with season 6. I get why the writers had to do some crazy stuff and let the characters do certain things that seem out of character for us. They just wanted to leave the majority of people satisfied with the ending by leaving it on a high note. I liked the ending but I’m slightly disappointed at the same time. Many of the reasons why you listed in your comment so I get it, but I don’t really think they could’ve ended it better and introduce time travel at the same time… time travel just ruins a lot by introducing it alone and they still handled it pretty well. I’m not truly satisfied with the ending, BUT it’s still nowhere near the Game of Thrones fiasco so yeah I guess that’s a win?
@@loveislove2359 From what I can tell, Rory had two motivations:
1) Wanting to keep her happy ending as is, which is selfish considering how much pain it would put Lucifer, Chloe and Trixie through. I mean, she was there when Lucifer described it as his worst possible torture, and she still asked it of him (more like guilted him into it, but I digress).
2) Not wanting to undo Lucifer finding his calling to help souls, which is definitely noble, but also very self-centred. What made her so sure her involvement was necessary? The only thing she really did to contribute was bring Dan to Earth, which merely sped up the process. Lucifer was already well on his way to discovering his calling before Rory showed up, he would have gotten there eventually, but she didn't even consider the possibility that it may not have all been about her.
Everyone seems to miss the point that Lucifer was screwed over by his father once again.
If Chloe was made for him, it was meant to be they had Rory, causing Lucifer's return to hell to heal the souls. To me it feels like a punishment for Lucifer all over again, despite the fact he now saves the doomed souls. He needs to clean up the mess his own father created.
His first punishment he wasn’t given a choice. He was damned to hell to oversee the tortured souls.
After learning they self actualize and have the free will to do whatever they choose to Lucifer’s return to hell isn’t at all a “punishment” he’s there this time by his own choice.
Rory says before she returns to her own timeline “I’m
Immortal, we’ll have eternity together”
Because Chloe dies and is a soul she’s also “immortal” and can eternally be with Lucifer. And with Rory understanding why Lucifer wasn’t around for her childhood/life she can now be together with her parents and they can truly be happy together. Rory wouldn’t have been able to understand why Chloe could just “return” to Lucifer’s side after having “abandoning” them for all those years and it could’ve easily created more problems. This was truly the happiest ending any of them could’ve asked form!
I see your point. I am still fine with the ending. I to think they borrowed from the Good Place about those in hell having a chance to redeem themselves. Both shows show more about why we are here than any of the accepted religions that are used to control the masses.
The time travel thing is kind of bogus, but I'll give the show credit for having most of the character's stories come full circle... To an extent.
@@charliecomer6001 the writers did right by using the causal loop, or maybe(thanks to all the other time travel theories), she saved him this time(new time line, though hell should be on its time line?)
He didn’t go back to hell because of Rory, he ralized it was his ”calling”. I mean, the ending did ruin the show but it wasn’t his father’s fault for sure. It was him making a promise to his dumb brat child who wanted to put everyone trough years (Chloe and Trixie) and thousands of years (Lucifer) of suffering for literally no reason. He could have visited them on occasion, like Amenadiel did. Also Chloe wasn’t a gift from god, she was blessed by an angel so she could be immune to Lucifer’s charms, exactly so she could have a choice.
I love this show. Probably one of the best shows ever. The only issue I have about the ending or the entire show is, how they didn’t build up a stepfather and stepdaughter relationship between Lucifer and Trixie. I know they both got along, but I feel she should’ve been part of the ending as Rory was.
Trixy is probably dead, considering the trends here.
child actor, she did her stint when she was talking to her dad after he died.
I kind of hated the end, i mean Lucifer, who was the only character suffering in hell for MILLIONS OF YEARS only had like 5 years of full happiness (and that it's just a kind of happinness because we all know what the character went through), and he had to sacrificed his chance of a happy family life, that he never actually had. He clearly said that the only thing that he wanted was to see his daugther grow and he didn't get to do it.
I get the end, but seriously there were better ways to end lucifer's character
Yea I’d rly hope that they’d make a different ending but everybody might like this ending sadly
I personally liked the actual ending
Yeah the devil's time is short. That's why.
Read the comic
Agree 100%
Although I was sad Lucifer didn’t get to raise his daughter and kind of confused on the time loop in question I was satisfied with the ending. Everyone ended pretty happily ever after and I can’t be mad about that.
My thing was why couldn’t be there for her birth. She wouldn’t have remembered either way
@@joelgibbons4355 probably because he wanted to help the lost souls heal and didn’t want to delay going back to hell any longer
@@joelgibbons4355 Yeah, I mean I didn’t really understand that either. He STILL got the idea after everything. Why couldn’t he go back and forth like Amenidel. And I just hate the chicken or the egg time loop plot line. But again, everyone essentially had a happily ever after so I was happy but I was sad but I was happy. Lol.
@@akkibajaj705 Well that's shitty. I'm sure he could've gone back to Earth for like 1 hour for the birth
@@joelgibbons4355 because he wouldn’t have been able to save her like that
This whole last season is so damned sad. The goodbyes just rip you apart.
YEP! Honestly I loved it, but I was so sad to finish it on the first day and I can't believe the show is really finished this time :c
Facts
Yup and the sadesd thing ever was he didn't watch hiss daughter grow up like wtf
I cried multiple times
This season has been the worst season. I happy this trash is over
I wondered why trixie was not at her mother’s side when she passed. It didn’t seem right to me. Almost as if they forgot about her
The actress was committed to other projects, so she could only do a few days filming
@@martinrobo123 It wouldn't be the same actress, Chloe was old, it was another actress, the same would go for Trixie. They just didnt care about the character that much and didnt bother to look it up for an older actress
@@imaJMALuz but Trixie wasn't relivent to that plot line, so it wasn't really a necessary thing to have her there
@@imaJMALuz old Chloe was still the same actress! She was just heavy made up
@@martinrobo123 her mother was dying... how it was not necessary ?
I always wanted the last scene to be him driving away from the camera with a wink and Sympathy for the Devil playing on the radio.
If a second on earth is a year in hell he had more than enough time to come back up to visit decker but rory made him swear to stay and help people in hell, I really didn't like the way the ending went for Lucifer. They could of just said you need to help people and not just stay there.
Yep retarding writing to force drama. Also, Amenadiel could have fixed the time loop as God. Instead, he let his bro, niece and Chloe suffer 22 years xD
@@bigboss1737 y’all gotta think in terms of eternity, not human years. Lucifer was always meant to be absent during the time when Chloe IS ALIVE. This way, Rory will always travel back in time to help him discover his calling and continue the cycle, after Chloe’s death they will always be able to visit each other anyway, FOR ALL OF ETERNITY. So good ending in my opinion
Be reminded that the earth is over 4 billion years old and hundred thousand people die a day. People dies while Lucifer is down there and people die before that. And one soul takes time to be saved
I thought that too, why couldnt Lucifer visit Chloe, at least? I think its because thats too risky. It greatly increases the chance that Rory would find out, one way or another. And if she did find out, there goes the timeline she made Lucifer promise to preserve.
@@lillycastitatis6807 It was all nonsense bullshit to create drama.
Sorry to say I found this season disappointing. It def had its funny moments, and I don’t mean to nit pick, I know Trixie didn’t have a huge role but somehow a character that’s been around for 6 seasons isn’t there when her mom is on her deathbed? Really?
And if anyone can explain why Lucifer had to stay in hell permanently I’d really appreciate it. Maybe I’m missing something…
Right! Also, I would have love Trixie to have more one and one time with Lucifer! But, it was all focused on Rory! And, if Amenadiel can be God and come back and forth to raise his son, then why can't Lucifer?It is not really explained well, but more implied that Lucifer is going to be super busy. Like, Lucifer isn't going to be working 24/7 to be a therapist for souls.Also, couldn't Lucifer employ past souls in heaven who were psychologist to be psychiatrists in hell? Like, if hell is full of millions of souls it would take Luci forever to help them all.lol. ohhhhh this show! I mean, in general i did really like the ending. And, it is beautiful when Luci and Chloe were together in the end. I think the writers just really liked the idea of Luci and Chloe having been separated for a long time so when she died she could finally be with him for forever and to show that time on earth is really a blink of an eye compared to forever.Also, maybe the writers didn't want us to see an aging Chloe grow old with Lucifer who can't grow old?
@@clisaa6974 it was because he made a promise to Rory not to break the time loop so he can go over everything again and realize being God wasn’t his calling
@@sahndoubobinshkiiv593 I mean sure, he would have not realized his calling at the moment that he did if Rory wasn't there in that timeline with him. But there is always a chance that he would have realized his calling at a much later time. I mean, that is an option but the writer's decided to go for a more emotional approach? I think so. If feels like the writers wrote the reason for his absense but then forgot to add the reason for it. So they went with the most straightforward method. I enjoyed the season but still bummed out with the ending. Not sure how I feel. That is why do not mess with time travel in your writing lol. People take time travelling way too seriously.
@@doozyBrook I mean it’s not like missing her child hood is that big of a deal their all immortal by the end of the show
@@sahndoubobinshkiiv593 Which is retarded considering Amenadiel is God and can fix the time-loop xD
I really like this ending, one of the best I've ever seen but with three things it would be a more rounded end for me:
1. Trixi finding out about the celestials
2. A talk between Azrael and Ella
3. An explanation of what the hell happened between Constantine and Maze in the past!
I'm sure a comic writer will fill that in someday. They wanted to do more with Trixi, but the actress had other commitments that clashed with the shows filming schedule due to COVID. Constantine always was more of a cameo more than a character in Lucifer. A way to acknowledge that all DC properties exist in the same universe similar to the comics.
It's been implied that he's the reason Maze was able to arrive on earth without possessing a body
Can someone explain to me who Constantine is?
@@user-px1qe9en6t a character in the DC universe
considering that Lucifer is a constant in all DC Timelines/Shows...
particularly since for the most part the multiverses kinda merged, at least with Earth-Prime or Earth-1... Lucifer could always make a guest appearance...just like Constantine does on Legends of Tomorrow!
I just love Amenadiel’s expression at his son’s wings. If that doesn’t call on the “oh no song” I don’t know what does.
I am grateful to Netflix for reviving this show and giving it a proper ending unlike Amazon, but the ending we got was pretty lacklustre and rushed (we only got 10 episodes). If you ask me, I don't think the ending has a secret meaning or anything like that but rather a quick way to tidy things up, except for Trixie, she was almost irrelevant this season and wasn't even present when her own mother was on her death bed and didn't question Lucifer's disappearing act. I feel like the ending was more of a feel-good ending rather than an actual ending. I didn't expect the final villain to be Chuck from Supernatural with a shitty French accent lol. Also, what happened to Micheal? I know we saw him as Hell's janitor, but you would think he'd want revenge against Lucifer for cutting his wings off, right? So... what happened to him? If Lucifer changed to such a degree that he believes those who end up in Hell deserve a second chance, then why did he not make peace with Micheal? I know him having the same face as Lucifer was cringey af, but you'd think Lucifer's TWIN would play a bigger role in the overall story, but nope. God was more irrelevant than Trixie, and Rory was the worst character in the entire show. The writers can't just say she's Lucifer's daughter who time travelled and now we are supposed to care about her despite all she ever does is bitch and moan about Lucifer not being around despite being a good person who would never intentionally abandon anyone much less his own daughter. As I said, I am glad this show got an ending, but for me... it just wasn't worth the wait.
Right there with you.
Yea, wasn't Lucifer trying to make sure Michael could redeem himself? How does forcing him as a prisoner in hell scrubbing the floor gonna do him any good?
I get the whole Micheal thing and I wish he got a proper second chance to redeem himself rather than seeking revenge they messed up there but as for Rory for me I loved her character
@@kellisuzuki8889 Ever had a demeaning job? It can either make you hate yourself more or humble you. Since angels self actualize, one day Michael will be able to grow his wings back. He needs to face the fact that his own ego got in the way of his whole family. And also, that scene of him brushing the floor was BEFORE Lucifer realized he needs to be the healer to hell. I bet when Lucifer gets back he will help his brother further.
I wish we had to wait a little longer for this season so it could have been written better with more episodes. Also the cast and crew needed a vacation before shooting this season.
I’m sorry the ending just didn’t make sense. At all. Cheesy with no logic. Why can Amenadiel multitask but not Lucifer lmao? Plus with the time being faster in hell. Like a second on earth is a year in hell or something, Lucifer could have easily visited Chloe and Rory. And even without the time thing Lucifer could have visited Chloe. Time travel in shows are usually a shit storm and this was no different.
Shame, the show was very good. The only complaints are that Lucifer is weak af and the ending just didn’t make sense. Like the time loop will be infinite. It will happen time and time again.
If i misunderstood something please do correct me though. But still the show could have ended in a better way.
I believe the ending was just lazy writing. I thought most of the season was enjoyable but as soon as time travel came in, I knew that there was a chance of failure on that part. Everyone is arguing that without Rory Lucifer would not have found his calling. I mean, sure. That could be true for the time being but there is always a chance that he might realize his calling at a later time. It didn't have to be Rory to make him realize. Hell, half the shit he did or corrected was thanks to people around him in the present. Even without Rory he would have realized his calling at a later time.
As for time loop theory, it was a load of bull imo. Never jump into time travel if you cannot justify. The entire season is about having free will abd breaking the chains of a written fate which cannot be changed but in the end did Lucifer really had any free will? I mean God knew the future or so the show implied. Does this really mean that you have free will? And if time loop exists doesn't that mean that you are stuck with the fate written for you if you cannot break out of that loop?
Time loops are temporal paradoxes that trap the exploiter of time in time itself. This is what I can write without going too deep into time loop. It's not an easy concept to grasp without getting into physics.
The Girl Who Leapt Through Time does a much better job at time loop theory. Well, its a soap opera so I tend to enjoy it simply for what it is but I'd like them to not jump into time travel if they cannot do it right. That is all.
I wont lie this season sucked it made no sense like what was the point of season 5 and his family dying for him I don't understand and it went full on woke in season 6 I'm sorry I love the show but it's not good
@@cookingwitchefzayy8830 It did get woke in some part of some episodes where I face palmed lol.
@@cookingwitchefzayy8830 yes! Like what was the point of season 5??? Lucifer fought and even sacrificed himself for Chloe and to defeat Micheal and become God. I’m not mad that he isn’t the new god but i’m mad how they did it.
I agree 100%. The time travel nonsense made little sense and Lucifer leaving Chloe, Trixie and unborn daughter not in character.
only thing we missed was trixie finding out the truth, there’s no way she doesn’t in the future but i wish they showed it on the show
completely forgot to say ty for the likes lol
Also where was trixie at chloes death bed?’!
@@audreyramsey982 In Mars, obviously. She’s to be president.
@@khaelstorm2552 lol
@@khaelstorm2552 you really remember that
@@mycollections2002 we get a reminder Dan possessing the dude that killed him tells us
No lie I was tearing up badly when Dan passed into heaven. That whole convo with his daughter was amazing 👏
Really bothered me that Chloes first kid wasn’t there to see her go. Don’t know why they didn’t add her to the end but over all good ending and glad it had a true ending
The Trixie oversight as Chloe died has been mentioned, but is NO ONE going to mention the fact not even one character seemed to put together or even MENTION the fact the son of God walks the earth now?
It was absolutely perfect
So this is what happened to Chuck after the Winchesters made him mortal
I was just about to type something about this lol
It seems so lol 😆
Funny how you mention supernatural cause I felt like the last 20 minutes of lucifer felt similar to how that show ended.
The Winchesters didn't make him mortal, it was Jack.
For me Jack is a Winchester. So is Castiel.
They didn’t really say why lucifer even had to leave for the years. Couldn’t he have come and gone like amendial. You think it would have played a bit more into the apocalypse thing or something
Nah it just think that he was just so busy help all those lost souls for millennia
He left to help out the lost souls in Hell and if he would return, Rory wouldn't be angry enough to time travel back to the past and help Lucifer make the realisation that he should be Hell's healer, therefore he had to stay away until Chloe's death.
That was actually said very explicitly right after Rory gave Lucifer the idea of returning to hell as a healer. If Lucifer would come and see his family every now and then, Rory wouldn't get so angry about him that she travels back in time to confront him, which means she would never give Lucifer the idea to return to hell in the first place. That's what the time-loop means
They just wanted to trap Lucifer down in Hell doing a job he's clearly shit at. He can't be a very good therapist if he's still working on french guy and Lina's ex after billions of years in hell...
@@allarian8726 what... that is such a terrible insight. Plus, those two guys were some of the most troubled people in the show; they'd take time and maybe he didn't get around to them until that time.
A lot of you are really overcomplicating this. Lucifer being able to help people out of their time loop was heavily implied and earlier seasons it was the clear and obvious thing that he was going to do. He could not come up to visit Rory and Chloe because it would threaten the time loop. It has nothing to do with time as he even says he could still pop by in the episode but Rory urges him not to. It was very clear that Lucifer was not going to take over as God it obviously did not fit him. Although Chloe had to live a lifetime without him she literally gets suspended eternity with him. The only part I did not enjoy was the lack of Trixie in the season she definitely just felt like a tool to help Dan. She was definitely second to Rory and that bothered me. But in terms of storytelling there was a great call back to previous seasons and a wrap up that really made sense and was actually very happy
Time travel is just bad/cheap writing though and it’s easy to poke holes in it.
@@wesbrown738 Yep, this is why Endgame is shit in my eyes.
"He could not come up to visit Rory and Chloe because it would threaten the time loop"
Naaah he could've been with Chloe while pregnant, he could've been there for the birth, he could've been there with Rory as a baby because she wouldn't have remembered it. Bad writing.
It’s a bootstrap paradox, where there is no origin of the reason Lucifer left in the first place causing Rory to be angry originally.
. But how was she angry enough to time travel if she didn’t time travel up until that point of Chloe’s death to create an alternative timeline? It’s just dumb, they could’ve focused more on trixie instead of introducing stupid time travel
sn't DC part of the string theory multiverse? Couldn't God have fixed timeloop paradoxes? Why didn't Rory go to hell to see Lucifer before her mom died? And most of all, isn't staying with your loved ones more important than finding your calling, even assuming that it's impossible to do without a very specific and dumb trigger? This season was a lazy writing shitshow. Terrible endings that made most of the character arcs pointless, except for Dan, Even and Maze, and Lucifer himself (his decision to be a healer only - how they reached it was awful).
one of my favorite series. was just so good on so many levels. and always loved the take on the devil, how he isnt just a random evil doer only out to destroy and cause chaos, that he is also being punished by being in hell and that he isnt necessarily the bad guy of lore as he is the one punishing the evil. sad that the shows over, but glad it didnt drag on and on and get terrible like so many shows do.
This was the best recap ever! Thank you! ❣️
i cant believe bones i mean lucifer is over 😭
I can't believe Lucifer kept blabbing about that horrible garbage show as if it were good. ¬_¬
- how dare you
@@user-vn7ce5ig1z true six feet under was way better than bones.
@Tghy Uu777 skip bones go watch six feet under instead.
Very bad writing this season unfortunately. The drama was forced and unnecessary because Amenadiel, Lucifer's brother, became God and could have fixed everything with the time-loop. Instead he let his bro, niece and friend Chloe to suffer 22 years. Furthermore, there is no point on Lucifer missing his daughter's life because he can always fly to earth but yep suddenly he can't and must stay 24/7 to Hell for 22 years. Finally, Rory could fly and visit his father in hell, as demonstrated earlier in this season.
It wasn't even 22 years. Way more than that because when Rory mentioned about her Mom's death Chloe was shocked that she dies in 20 years but Rory tells her it's way longer than that; she's older than she looks because she's half angel.
Let's say Chloe is 35...20 more years would mean she'd be 55. That woman portraying Chloe in the future looks wayyyy older than 55.
yea. WRITERS make it more complicated, why just let lucifer go to hell help a soul or 2 to heaven and then go home like a day job. he's still doing his duty in hell and wont miss her daughter growing up
Trueee!
It was sloppy-I hated it
I believe in literature we call this a "deus ex machina" ending, one where all the plot holes were resolved by something that was unexpectedly pulled out of the writer's a**, logic be damned.
My problem is that Amenadiel could've facilitated making sure Lucifer came back to earth the moment Rory returned. He could've been there when she got back to be with his girls for that moment, also letting us know Lucifer would be in Rory's life from then on.
Im just sayin why couldn’t lucifer pop up once a week to at least see Chloe, he could have seen her in a hotel and Rory would have never known, timeline unchanged and Chloe doesn’t have to spend 50 years without him
Because of their nonsensical timeloop. She wouldn't of gotten angry and time traveled.
but in his timeline healready figured out his true calling so who cares about an alternate timeline where he will never even interact with that separate timeline
right before Rory returns to her time:
lucifer: no problem, i can pop back to earth whenever i want.
Rory: no you can't.
lucifer: oh oke.
and why tf was Trixy not at her moms death bed?
Trixie was probably on Mars, being it's President.
The reason why he cant go back and forth is because if he did, rory wouldnt be angry with lucifer, therefore not going back in time, which leads to Lucifer not finding out that his calling is to heal the souls of hell
@@mmogaddict LMAO good theory XD
@@peterh4807 There doesn't have to be a time loop
@@peterh4807 but that's stupid. Why would he heal souls in the first place? He always hated hell and the thing he truly wanted was to life his life w chloe and rory. And he never got it because of what?
Not already does the reason you end up in hell (bcs of guilt, not bcs ur a bad person) already suck and not making any sense but u go to hell and heaven for a reason. I dont believe in the afterlife but still, looking at it biblically, the reason u go to hell is bcs ur a bad person. Why the fuck do people like rapists, killers, abusers etc (like Le mac) deserve redemption?
I mean the last season is so contradicting to other 5, especially bcs of Lucifer always hating his dad for leaving him. It makes no sense at all.
And even if he couldnt meet rory bcs of the time loop, he still could've been there when she was born and while she was a baby (especially considering 1 second on earth is 1 year in hell, giving him plenty of time)
Rarely shows end on a super high note. But Lucifer did it. The ending was so good!!!
Everyone story was well ended and no lose ends
I thought the whole end to Lucifers part was pretty bad.
Let me ask you a question. Would you -
1. Liked to have fulfilling life with both of your parents alive and healthy. Loving and taking care of you and everyone you loved.
Or
2. Basically force your father to reenact the sins of his father of not being able to be there for his family. Have your mother struggle to take care and raise of you and your sibling alone. Then grow up to despise your father so much as to almost kill him for not being with the family, even at your mothers deathbed. All to realize he left you because you time travelled back to ask him to give you that pain in order to mature as person.
Like seriously think about it. Luficers daughter chose the second option instead of the first.
My hate for the ending basically boils down to this:
The choice to step away from the time loop could have been made. This change would have surely given Lucifer and Chloe and they’re family a way better life. But they choose pain because their daughter wanted to mature a little.
Given the circumstances, I’d bet Luficer and Chloe could have raise an even more matured Rory than the Rory that grew up without Lucifer.
Edit - before anyone says Lucifer wouldn’t have found his calling in life if Rory didn’t show up… We’re talking about Lucifer here. The guy who gets fixated on a goal every episode. Each episode literally ends when he accomplishes his goals.
@@OneOhNine That is so true I am so frustrated with how they ended it. I would have stayed with my family
@@OneOhNine you also have to remember that Lucifer was immortal and Chloe wasnt. Which means he'd had to watch her turn old and gray alone and then die and all that, which made me realize that it probably was one of the reasons why they made him disappear and had to end it that way.
@@Myselfasrose you forget that lucifer is an angel. he can still see her on the other side. on another note, she somehow reverted into her younger form in heaven when she died from complications at an old age.
I think Lucifer had a satisfying ending. I felt like everybody had a happy ending in some way
Agree
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Disagree...you know what this show didn't follow any of the time travel rules, Rory being transported to the future, yea that's not how it works...she can't exist twice, because she was going to be born and live a life before time traveling so her present self being taken back to the future at the end doesn't work, and that's why flash season 5 did this better coz they understood this...also I don't get how seeing everyone happy without any consequence is satifying..like would it have killed the writers to commit to anything this season, lucifer's going to die...."oh don't worry about it, it's not like we can actually commit to that"....Rory is going to kill lucifer....."eh, let's just make her his daughter"...any consequences in the finale..."nah, let's not do anything we have been teasing all season long"..I'm disappointed by how dumb it was too..."I lost my wings so I can go to heaven" do the writers know that heaven isn't a physical place...you can't take a jet to get to heaven coz it don't work like that, also what's the point of a hell if people are inevitably going to heaven..the reason why he'll and heaven exist is because of a lil something called consequence, otherwise the system stops working coz Hitler is just going to be forgiven for killing all those people or some other fucked up human being is going to find "healing" just because.....if this was real then it would eliminate the point, so the message in there isn't valid or clear coz things you do have consequences and you pay for things you choose to do
Yup, I thought they weren’t gonna show Lucifer have a true happy ending up until Chloe showed up! Best show ever
@@Dkdid9183 wow, best show ever huh?, I mean it's good but there's way better stuff out there, also they shud change the shows name from lucifer to lil puppy dog, who used to be a badass..ehh, millennial, am I right?(I'm not right and it was rhetorical)
This was the best last episode of any show I have ever seen. They wrapped everything up wonderfully.
I’d have preferred a happier sequence leading up to the ending but overall they end up in a good place. My biggest issue with the ending is how Lucifer and Chloe react to being together again finally, Chloe had to wait decades but Lucifer thousands of years as he was in hell. I also wish we saw that Lucifer wasn’t actually alone for that entire time though, after earth’s equivalent of 20 years (still a long time but long before Chloe ascended) Rory comes back from the past now knowing exactly where Lucifer is. So obviously can go to see him, the comfort of his daughter being with him would definitely ease the pain of loneliness a massive amount. Rory would have also then been able to explain to Trixie the whole situation and that she would definitely see her mother again. Lucifer now not having to maintain the time loop would also be able to go back to earth.
Some ppl are disappointed, but when I watched the previous seasons, I realized that it really sucked that Lucifer & Chloe had so many setbacks because of self-doubts, mistrust, etc. & not knowing when that uncertainty would end. So it's actually nice to finally see them really together, no more doubts & questions. Although later they have to be physically apart temporarily on earth, they are still together somehow, they have each other in their minds & hearts. Plus they eventually get reunited for good and no more hindrance.
Chloe's and Lucifers journey was complete in season 6. Of course, who wouldnt have liked to see more of the devilish duo solving murders and facing supernatural threats, but I think the writers did a fantastic job and ended the show on the high note it deserved. Anything more than this would be dragging it on and would have brought down the quality. The ending is bittersweet, and makes me very sad for Lucifer... but, it is, in many ways, the ideal ending for one of the best shows on television.
its the kind of ending that doesnt make sense yet you're trying to make the ending make sense in some way...its weird, Rory went to her mother's deathbed in her timeline right? Its weird anyway, amenadiel could come back from heaven every now and then but Lucifer cant? No sense
@@madhunter6420 he's likely the warden of hell too so the demons don't invade earth again
The demons have their king, the souls have their healer
@@madhunter6420 its not the best ending, but its one of the good ending, it a bit rush, but it does explain a lot, sometimes all good thing must end, dont be like HIMYM, they were pushing it too much, i love the show but the ending was weird
That time jump was such a cluster way of not being bothered with telling a story the truth is the writers of this show got lazy about season 5 but it became very noticeable in season 6 they weren’t bothered to do a good story of how Ella finds out lucifer is the devil they just tied it up this whole season felt like they were trying to just tie up loose ends and not actually try to finish the show
Agreed!! I didn't like season 5 either! The final battle was stupid af. 🤣 I would've expected some amazing huge battle for such a fight, but it looked more like a film students direction.
@@queencerseilannister3519 Yea, I mean it's not like it was filmed in the middle of a world wide pandemic but sure.
Exactly, I dropped the series half way through a episode after God did the sing and dance routine the 4th time
It was getting extremely annoying and repetitive
The battle was supposed to be bigger but covid thew in a monkey wrench.
@@DragaXZ outside circumstances, while noted, ultimately do not give something a pass. Especially when it was due to idiotic mindsets believing it was the end of the world when it simply wasn't.
Still mourning Morningstar. Thanks for the recap. Lucifer is an extraordinary show. And yes, I bawled my eyes out too.
Absolutely unreal video. Good work.
That was a good recap man. I have no time to see the season and like the sum-up you did.
You could watch episode 3 the episode where lucifer and chloe turn into cartoons then skip the rest of it.
No time? But you have time to comment on be on TH-cam? Make time, you don't be disappointed man
I kind of hated this, Well Amenagod could multitask why couldn't Lucifer? Or why couldn't he pop up every now and than at least to see Chloe? Hell why did he have to leave right than and there? He could have stayed through Chloe's pregnancy up until Rory was a year or 2 years old than Chloe could have told the same lie cuz Rory wouldn't remember him. The whole series arc was supposed to be about Lucifer not being confined to the fate of being vilified forever only to be confined to another fate. Amenadiel became God which means he makes the rules why couldn't he at least changed the time difference in hell? 30 to 40 years passed on earth, yeah its great Lucifer and Chloe reunite but it means Lucifer was alone for tens of thousands of years, sorry but Rory ruined everything. Everything else on the episode was great especially Dan reuinted with Charllote in heaven, though I would have liked to see the reuinion.
In the series a second on earth is a year in hell so by the time chloe died he had been in hell. Alone. For more than a billion years
The whole series is based on Rory to build the required anger that makes her travel in time to give her father the idea to HEAL the hell. If he would show up she would have never travel trough time. Smart script. For me IT was an satisfing ending
The only reason he chooses to go down his pathway was because of Rory going back in time and setting them on that path. So if they ever do anything to get away from that path there's a possibility that Lucifer would have never figured out what his purpose was changing the future and risking all those souls finally getting out of hell. So if he stayed around she wouldn't have been mad and it would have changed the future. It's a time loop the show literally explained it.
The writers said that he did visit Chloe every now and then and I think Amenadiel being able to visit Charlie and Lucifer not is to preserve the time loop.
@@OzziePerez1988 the time loop could have been avoided in so many ways
Why does Lucifer let the LeMeck nearly kill him? That part makes no sense. Lucifer could have easily defeated him but didn't even try.
So true
Whole show doesn't make any sense. The show is targeted towards people who wont care about that and still watch it for the romantic drama. That's why they didn't make it about the vertigo Lucifer, it would have been too complex.
Because it was the way it was written,as Rory said, the loop cannot be broken. If he would kill LeMeck he wouldn't figured out his purpose and such. But mostly, because the storywriters tell it this way and you are here to watch, not to try to change things you can't. For exmaple.. like the loop.
Well it's Lucifer in this show you're talking about who ironically isn't the brightest of lightbulbs.
Exactly, Lucifer is likely a grand master in every form of martial arts and with his super speed and strength, he could've easily speed blizzed LeMeck and ripped him in half or immobilised him by pinning him down the moment he opened the door
But if they did that, there will be no drama at all and that scene would've been 10 seconds rather than 10 minutes
Something has bothered me about the "Rory" storyline, (as well as the child created by Ameenadel and Dr. Linda).
A child created by an angel and a human (supposedly), creates a Nephilim, a being that is stronger than their angelic parent.
So, if this is the case, how did LeMec get Rory?
ikr lmao
@@Mouchoo Also, where the F was Trixie when her mother was passing away?
This is something that very clearly has NEVER happened in the timeline. Yes, I know it's in the Book of Enoch and Genesis, but the series seems to pick and choose which parts of biblical myth it's going to adapt, and if Nephilim were a thing then nobody would have been so shocked when Charlie was born. "WHAT?? ANGELS CAN'T MAKE BABIES!"
@@Tera_B_Twilight As “Metatron” ,(in “Dogma”), sullenly observed, “I’m as anatomically correct as a Ken doll.”
@@Tera_B_Twilight on the other hand, i believe lucifer does mention the existence of nephilim in season 3 lol. but maybe he was just making fun of the myth? who knows
I think the ending was somewhat predictable (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, as an ending that goes against the characters and their story arc can completely ruin a franchise, just look at Star Wars), and even though the time travel plot felt a bit convoluted to make Lucifer realise his role as a healer, I still found it satisfying and entertaining. I missed Trixie, like others already have pointed out. All in all, this was a good show that got wrapped up in a good way, and it's not something that we get that often.
I wouldn't have said predictable. I came up with at least 4 different ways it was going to end as the story unfolded. Strongest was,i thought it was Trixie that would need to be saved.Earlier when Amenadiel returned from heaven,that Lucifers presence on earth was turning it into hell,fire and brimstone type. Or,even though last of power had been used,he would end up in his mum and dads universe. Obviously this was far earlier. Ending was,well obvious. We know there is an afterlife,so how else could it have ended?
Chloe is a terrible mother. Lucifer's choice was selfless and righteous, and she refused to tell her daughter about how great he was, thus condemning her to an angry, frustrated life (I'm guessing Rory is in her 40s, so they had the time).
If she had told her then Rory wouldn’t have went back in time. Which means he wouldn’t have realized his true calling and the future would’ve changed
It’s just confusing because Rory coming to the past does change the future. Doesn’t that break the “rules?” And is there 2 timelines? Time travel is just bad writing
@@wesbrown738 everything that happened, happened exactly how it was suppose to happen. Future Chloe already knew Rory would go back to the past. Time travel complicates stuff but they tried to make it as simple as possible lol
@@christophernelson751 the main thing is there’s no reason lucifer left in the first place causing Rory to time travel originally. So it just doesn’t make sense
@@wesbrown738 It's a closed loop. Lucifer left and didn't come back because he promised his future daughter that he wouldn't change the timeline. Thus Rory gets born grows up without him, resents him, gets angry enough to travel back in time. Then her being there helps Lucifer find his true calling so she makes him promise not to change the timeline so that eventually her past self will grow up to resent him and travel back in time thus leading to him finding his calling, and the loop goes on.
The loop has no origin it's just part of the timeline, a causal loop or a bootstrap paradox. Her coming back changes nothing because that's what happened.
Why did Rory never fly down to hell to look for Lucifer in the future? I mean the first time we saw her in the show is her looking for him there.
It's not like that I don't like the ending bittersweet and all but I feel like there are many things that felt rushed and/or don't make sense in this season.
Because it was rushed. I felt that they crammed everything into the last two episodes while the first half took its time.
Because she didn't know where he was her whole life. I'm sure she'll fly down there from time to time now that she knows.
Maybe because Chloe never told her and it's not like angles go to hell for vacation they try to avoid it
So she didn't have a reason to go to hell .
Until she wanted to kill him .
@@freedomhasacost6661 come on, are you telling me that hell was never on her mind when she was looking for the king of hell? I still think many things this season don't make sense. like, Rory said something like Lucifer will leave her, fate always wins, the future will be the same, etc. but when someone asks about their future she said she can't tell them or it will change the future. what??? she just contradicts her own words.
@@BlackCrossion yeah the time travel stuff doesn't make sense
The reason why Lucifer leaved was because she told him to .
But she came because he left .
The effect comes before the cause
Its not possible .
I'm sorry I just can't take le Mac serious bcs I can only see him as Chuck aka GOD from Supernatural, the irony is immaculate pls-
Also, Rory hinted at the fact that maze wasn’t around during her childhood while Eve was.
Then at the end we see maze and eve together and this hint seems to be left on the floor
if you're talking about episode 5, she was messing with them. she even pretends not to know who amenadiel was, which makes the characters think he died at the mazeve wedding, which clearly, he did not.
The goodbye scene with maze was the most emotional scene for me
The writers are useless, this is a terrible ending. Beyond contrived. The premise is not thought out at all, anybody can see they were out of their depth introducing time travel and loops, fate and free will. The writers had zero concept in merging these ideas into a cohesive story. I won't mention the amount of modern day politics in it also.... Just horrible and a terrible waste of amazing actors who literally carried the last 2 seasons, like Atlas holding up the globe. Shame. Also I've noticed a lot of people say it was a good ending because it was a happy ending, however as they say it's how you get there. Think with an investigative mind and see the glaring faults with the contrived writing. I will give you just one issue, the rest you have to see for yourselves. How did Vincent get his hands on Lucifer's daughter which he has never seen before. They were miles away, did she fly into his arms? Did he shoot her down from the sky? No it happened so the story could happen the way the writers wanted, a cop out. Dan left the guy that killed him with his daughter with 0 thought no back up and received 0 repercussions, at least him taking Trixie would've been believable but would've marred Dan's ascent. Just no logic to be found in the story, no consistency, just awful. Everyone knew the ending would be, if the devil can be redeemed anyone can from s1ep1 but unfortunately they executed really poorly.
Admittedly the emotional beats were great however, I attribute that mostly to the great acting.
agreed except for the politics part. racism islamaophobia etc are not politics
Ligma
The main issue for me was the villan, like how did he capture Rory, also he was just a random french guy.
@@moizabdul5384 Agreed that's why I said "modern day politics" as that is what politics unfortunately is now days.
The show would've worked without a 6th season. They just needed one or two more episodes to wrap Dan's arc while Rory shows up and guilt trips Lucifer into not becoming God, which could've been done in parallel like they always do. You can skip 90% of it. Like honestly, I skipped all the Ella and Carol scenes, all the Amenadiel cop scenes, the Eve and Maze scenes... they add nothing because it all gets wrapped by Lucifer and his choices in the 2nd to last episode...
I actually liked that episode more than the finale
Some people watch a show for the journey and not the destination. It's not all about advancement and knowing what will happen. Those scenes were beautiful in their own way, even if they were not canon.
Amenadiel saving that girl was a cool episode and one of the only episode I genuinely enjoyed.
Damn bro it’s the journey
Eve and maze were the worst part of the show this season.
flash warning i think? idk lol but just in case. also am i the only one who didn’t like the finale that much?? like i’m glad everyone eventually got a happy ending but it shouldn’t have taken that long to get there. amenadiel is waltzing on down to earth to raise his son, lucifer should be able to while helping people as well. he even didn’t want to go to hell full time. for thousands (millions?) of years he’s down there and he doesn’t even want to be. sure he wants to help people but he wants to go see his friends and family as well but he can’t. that’s not a happy ending. also can we talk about how trixie never finds out?? like what does she think happened to lucifer? does she ever get closure on dan? and how tf did le mec headass find rory?? it’s implied they hit her with an elephant dart but how did they find her?? it’d make sense if he lured her with trixie or some shit but they never explain it. k sorry rant over i just finished the ep and i am nottt feeling it sorry if they wanted a dark(ish) ending they should’ve gone with season 4 and if they wanted a happier ending they should’ve gone with season 5 imo. also the time travel plot is just not my favorite, it felt random and out of place in comparison to the previous seasons
The time travel ending can only happen because of two reasons.
1) Free will doesn't actually exist in this universe and nothing the characters do matter and they are in closed time loop.
Or
2) There was a Lucifer that did just abandon Rory and Chloe starting all the events of season 6 and this timeline is a new one Rory and everyone else thinks is the same one.
or, free will exists but time is a closed loop. i.e, you make your choices freely based on information from prior to the present, but you have already made that choice because the loop is set.
i.e, you have already chosen your fate, you just don't know what it is yet.
that said there were plenty of plot holes in the loop as presented in season 6.
Or every single lucifer stayed with chloe, as he said "I would never abandon my daughter", and we got two paths there.
1: one lucifer did abandoned them so gods plan to give all the souls second chance worked or
2: there was no chance for lucifer to leave and fulfill the gods plan so this loop should happen for this to work. Either way I loved it. Before chloe go to lucifer as the last scene I had my doubts about it but after this I think they did it perfect!
Nope lucifer didnt know he has a child before coming back to hell
It's just a shame Trixie's actor wasn't available for most of filming and couldn't be there for the end
i mean technically if trixie was to show at chloes death she would be a lot older so they could have just used another actor
@@monimoo5777 I was more referring to the episode where Lucifer is going around and saying bye to everyone
Was a happy/sad ending. I am happy with how this series ended . Even though a main character died... example Dan, he was still a part of the show as a ghost and I appreciate that. Usually hate when my main characters are killed off but in this, all my mains remained in the end in some for or another. This was one of the best series on TV and ended on a great note. Wish all shows could follow this pattern. Thanks.
Just finished it, Lucifer and Chloe are truly the best couple ever! The cutest relationship
The last few episodes hit me right in the feels. Tears everywhere. I think it ended well. No real loose ends, everyone ended happy except the unborn Rory.
I love this, my budget had whittled down most of my guilty pleasures and this had been one of them. It is nice to be able to know how it wrapped up for Luci and the gang.
I could never understand why Lucifer couldn’t just come back and forth from hell like he could before. Now I get it. Thank you. That helps with closure from the end of the show.
People complain why Lucifer can't visit his family but he is just doing what Rory said and that is not to change anything. Lucifer should be an absent dad so he could understand his calling
It just so hard as it shows AmenaGod quite literally God spending time with Charlie and so if the ruler of heaven can come down from his throne on high why can't the ruler of Hell come from his throne high (or rather therapist swivel chair) to see his child even it just sad I know he did because Rory asked it just sad the sliverlining I guess is that hopefully now they all know Rory can go see lucifer in her time with mum in his office and they can all hug Ella style (though I wouldn't suggest they pop out there wings Rorys are pretty sharp even sharper than mine lol)
I agree, and after Chloe's death Lucifer can visit her daughter,and actually Chloe can go back to Earth like Eve did.
that's so dumb though, there are so many ways to avoid that
@@ErvinMagyar I didnt think about that... Eve could "slip into her old bones" because she was the first woman. I think for Chloe, Amenagod has to help, which, yeah I bet he would, eventually. That means that all characters can eventually go back to earth in their physical bodies! I guess Rory gets another chance to be with her family. This ending, so much potential for fanfiction.
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There's so much good about this season, but I think they tried too hard to refrain from giving us a traditional happy ending. Maybe because that seems too trivial in the grand scheme. But I think the issues don't make sense. How can Amena-god make trips back and forth but Lucifer can't? I do get why it happened for the time loop, but why didn't it happen in the first place? And Trixie not being near her mom as she's dying? No family or friends...just Rory??
Other than that, I loved the Deckerstar moments. I loved Eve and Maze. This season was great overall.
Trixie was so overlooked in the whole series to be honest. That child must have grown up on it's own, they just wrote a child character in the begining and left her there to just be... i guess she became a like an strophysisist or something , she was more into physics and math, but she never actually got to know about the whole celestial stuff? Maybe she "had" to be the "atheist" of the series, the one who refuses to believe in such stuff, but that's not even explained somehow. Even if they could not have the actor for as many shootings as they needed they could have tried a different actor or even just mention her more in the scenario, i don;t know... i feel trixie was a huge plot hole on herself as a character. And i'm a huge fan of the series i must say.
I wish when he opened the door, Rory was there with Chloe to actually meet up as a family.
Trixie relationship with the characters was one of the reasons Lucifer was so great... And as series went on they disregard the best relationships for a hugely bratty teen angel in last season :(
I think it is an good ending. Lucifer wasn't made to be god to lead a group of angels to some higher porpouse instead he always so people in their individuality and lives in the moment. We saw him willing to give everything up for the people he loves and in so many episodes he not only understood his own guilt feelings, he also helped other people to see theirs und left their hell loop. He is Lindas biggest patient and this is also why he is such a good thearapist on his own: He can relate the pain and he can see desires as a way to make peace with yourself. Also him abandoning his own child not because he don't love her but because he loves her so much, shows him a parallel to his father who had his greater reasons to abandoning him too. And this may make neither gods or lucifers decision right but it shows that they had to choose between to choices which would hurt on one or another way. But lucifer who always felt like he didn't had control over his actions and his father leaving him let's his daughter choice whether to stay or to help her and thousands of other souls.
So He goes back to hell but he goes in absolut peace with himself and without guilt. And so the fallen one helps lost souls and let them raise. Lightbringer leaves lux (which also means light) to bring a chance of seeing the light to the people who can't deal with their guild. I think it's just poetic
But two things didn't seem quite right to me: I think Lucifer should be with Rory after she returns from her travelling through the past and be with her when chloe dies cause it's their last moment to be an united living family. But also Trixy is missing in this moment like in this whole season. She seems just to be there for dan but abandoned behind Rory. How ironic.
I feel like the last season was underwhelming…it would’ve been cool if Rory was someone like a hidden sister or something that accident wanted to rule hell or become god rather than being his daughter
So basically another Michael?
So you want a repeat of the micheal plot
The arrow and Lucifer had a very similar ending. I Loved them both so much
"Even though she was an attorney" you deserved the like and comment my friend
Great way to tie everything together!!! Really miss this t v show it was SOOOOOOO good!!!
personally still not understanding why Lucifer cannot come back to earth to visits in between? The whole season is about anyone can change etc, if he really couldn't find the time, cant he train some demon to help out?
Right! That part still irks me
I mean, he technically could still visit. He himself even says that he can. However, if he did that and visited Chloe and Rory then Rory would have grown up with her father. Thus she would never grow to hate him for abandoning her. Thus she would never self-actualize her ability to travel back in time. Thus the events of season 6 can't happen as Rory would never show up. Thus Lucifer would not figure out his calling, possibly would have ended up being God as he had just started believing he was ready to take up the mantel the moment Rory showed up.
If he chooses to visit his daughter growing up then he creates a paradox, or well a different paradox as the loop itself is a causal loop sometimes referred to as a bootstrap paradox. It isn't about him not having the time to visit. Which is way Rory makes him promise not to change the timeline.
That being said, why Rory never went down to Hell to search for her father in her time period is confusing. The first place she goes when she travels back in time is Hell. Did it never occur to her to search for her father at any point in her life to at the very least confront him about his disappearance?
Personally I would have preferred a better reason for his disappearance. Like if he did end up dying to save his daughter. Another theory that I had in mind while watching the season was that Rory would have accidentally pulled Lucifer into the future when she went back thus being the reason he disappeared.
It sucks hearinf Lucifer is basically stuck down there until maybe he helped every human which may take millions of years
He ain't stuck lol, he can get out anytime he wants....he just couldn't leave until Rory time traveled to not ruin the timeloop.
I think season 6 was just rushed to tie up loose ends and they didn't want a happy ending. I mean you want to tell me that the new GOD had time to visit his family from time to time but Lucifer couldn't do the same?
Exactly! Amenagod can multitask but Lucifer can't? What bullshit!
@Mundo do João i know that part of. People want lucifer multitasking. To come home
The reason Lucifer didn’t visit wasn’t because he didn’t have time, it was explained that if he was in Rory’s life, she wouldn’t come back in time, causing him to realice his true calling. So if he visited his family, the loop wouldn’t happen and he would never start saving the souls trapped in hell
@@derodriguezp god damn time travel ruining shit but ending was still good well Trixie should've been there for her mom's death is one thing I'd say should've been added in
I totally agree with you 100%. This season was rushed to tie up loose ends without taking into consideration important details. And Lucy's calling is to be a therapist for the damn?! Total BS! This invalidates the self-actualization thing that was built up since season 1. There was also no God's plan apparently so being cast to hell was just punishment as Lucy thought since all Lucy needed was to be told by her daughter what to do.
When you said he caused suffering in his mind a Fate worse than death, i felt in my soul! I've been struggling for years with major depressive disorder and really bad anxiety. I can't tell you the anguish of us with mental illnesses through! It really does feel worse than death.
Thank you! I've put off watching anything from 5b onward because I was worried they'd jumped the shark. This makes me feel a lot better and I want to go back and finish it (and then re-watch it another seven times lol)
I really enjoyed the final season, especially the series finale. First off, Dan was fantastic, so happy he got to say his farewell to Trixie (Should've had more screen time - only gripe), release his guilt and make it to heaven not to mention Eve n Mazikeen tying the knot, was well earned especially for poor sweet Maze. Amenadiel finally owning up to his true desire which was to inherit his father's throne and rule in heaven, was the best and logical choice. Then there's Rory, I loved her and could sympathize, but once you learned the reason why Luci had to leave, made it bittersweet yet as a guy who has had a daughter (sadly wife and daughter left this mortal coil 6 years ago...), it made me smile, tear up and miss being a dad the scenes with Luci and her together, especially in the series finale. Also, love Chloe and she's such a great character, and is strong in the best way. Super happy that Ella got to find out. Well to be fair, she's super smart and enjoyed her piecing it together. The way they rallied around her to help her feel important and reassure that she's love, speaking of which, glad also that her and Detective Carol became a couple. Ella definitely deserved that. Was good to see Rob Benedict come back, however, briefly. Funny, I followed Supernatural for all of its time on the air, so it was a bit strange seeing him become a two bit criminal, but also hated his character for what he did to Rory to get back at Luci. I mean Understand his reasoning, but yeah going back to being a dad it just made me wish Luci would rip him limb from limb. Yet the mere fact that Luci had grown so much as a character and he was there for her (Rory) when she needed him most, just speaks volumes of the weight of the situation but also completing arcs and topping off char growth. All in all, very satisfied with how it ended minus not getting much Trixie. Rant over. Damn fine show, sad to see it end, but it wrapped with a pretty solid conclusion and not get milked for all its worth. Best of vibes!
Lucifer has been around since the dawn of time. He could of realized his calling but stayed with Chloe for at least 18 years of auroras life and been there to transition Chloe into the after life on her death bed. Him being completely gone is sad to me.
You do realise that he is no longer the devil,so to speak. He gained enlightenment. Which is why he had to give up on those 18 years. He isn't God,but a very close second now. Both Chloe,and eventually Rory understood this.
@@patrick3136 Uhh no. That is not an excuse. Even Amenadiel, God itself, had time for his kid. You keep defending the plot of S6. While I'm happy that you and others liked it, many of us didn't.
@@alexandra9944 The time loop is how Lucifer figured out he needed to save souls in Hell; Lucifer left to keep it in place, he even floated the possibility of making intermittent visits to his family until Rory shot him down. #WatchTheShow
My question is, where was trixie when ella was drunk revealing the truth during maze&eve's wedding? Also, if lucifer is not able to visit rory from time to time in order for him to find his calling in another paradox/timeline, then doesn't that mean all along they didn't have free will? I'm hppy that the ending wasn't bad like game of thrones, ATST, it's sad knowing that they spent an extremly long time(especially lucifer) apart. :')
Chloe told lucifer the babysitter was taking trixie home later on at the wedding
I'm watching the series, FOR THE THIRD TIME, which is helping me to understand everything this video just explained. (It made me cry.) Thank you! Also, I LOVE BONES!
great video thanks have fun
I dont get why Lucifer could not be with Chloe while she was pregnant, or attend the birth and be involved in Rorys childhood..
Exactly
Overall, a decent season that unfortunately had too much spare time to know what to do with. An entire episode about racism and LA beat cops - I want to watch Lucifer, not Southland. Aside from the obnoxious, creeping, modern day politics which surprisingly enough, Lucifer managed to avoid for most of its run, there was the problem of under utilized characters. Trixie got sidelined hard. Michael in Hell scrubbing floors? Ummm, doesn't that defeat the purpose of his punishment which was obviously based off Lucifer's. Chloe's mom: nonexistent. Also, the biggest plothole: why can't Lucifer just visit Chloe from time to time without Aurora's knowledge. The entire time loop hinges on his daughter not knowing of his existence and why he left. What's stopping Chloe from letting Maze and Eve or Linda run babysitting duties for the afternoon while she spends a romantic day at the beach or something with Lucifer. All I can say is, the show never explicitly proves that final scene with Chloe and Lucifer in Lux was their last moment together on earth. For all we know, he did come and visit every now and then. I feel like happy endings are actively avoided these days because everything has to be so fucking nilhist and edgy, even if that ending could make sense and be logical. Overall, a flawed but mostly successful final season. Honestly half of these plotholes could have been explained away if like 10 more minutes was tacked on to the final episode. Personally, I enjoyed the family/daughter aspect very much since it brings the story full circle, and also opens up the door for a movie/miniseries sequel down the road.
I completely agree with your review. Regarding your last point, the writers said in a recent interview that apparently yes, Lucifer did visit Chloe from time to time. They should've put that in the actual show for us to see rather than trying to damage control with interviews afterwards.
I do agree this was by far the weakest season of the show but in the end they got it very right. And realistically we can skip that episode entirely on rewatch.
Sad that Lucifer had to suffer yet again, away from his soulmate and his only child, had he not been punished enough , the ending felt rushed, I feel one more episode tying up loose ends more neatly would have been nice, but we get what we are given.
I didn’t even watch this show, no clue how I fell down this rabbit hole but this sounds pretty freaking solid❤️ subscribed
there are few TV series that manage to wrap up a series well with each character effectivly ending their own arc, I think Lucifer managed this, and look forward to revisiting this series one day.
Does anyone know the math on how long Lucifer had to wait for his soul mate Chloe to arrive at his therapy room? Because time flows differently and that must've suuuucked waiting so long T_T
If Dan was there for 1000 years and only a month had gone by up here... A REALLY long time!
800 million
960,000 years to be exact
1576800000 years (because of what Malcom said that 1 second = 1 year in hell.)
in season 1 Amenadiel says 30 seconds probably felt like 30 years (though it was actually around 12 seconds of screen time)
in season 2 Lucifer implies 1 minute might not be enough to find Carlisle's hell loop. as lord of hell it shouldn't take him long though. in actuality he is under for 4-5 minutes
in the opener of season 5 "Said out Bitch" has died 200 times in the time it took for his body to be found and detectives on scene. maybe 3-4 hours?
in season 5 Micheal and Lucifer imply that in the 2 months he has been gone it has been in the low thousands of years
in season 6 Dan has been in hell for about 7-10 weeks and implies it has been in the low thousands of years, though it may have been thousands of years since lucifer's last visit, which is presumably nightly.
so my best guess is 1 month=1000 years and season 1 they didn't really have the rules of hell set that well yet.
so in example 1. 12 seconds=30 years is 2.5 years per second or 31,536,000 years in hell per year on earth. chloe lives another 38-40 years. so 1,261,440,000 years.
example 2 lacks hard data to extrapolate. under model 4 he was down there for around 42 days.
example 3, if we presume 4 hour response time. that is 1,200 days per IRL day or 3.28767 years per day, 1,200 years per year at 40 years that is 48,000 years
example 4.. we can presume it is anywhere from 1000 years per month to 4,999 years per month. personally I prefer around 1,000 years per month. makes it out to be 12,000 per year, or 480,000 years
example 5. generally fits with the same model as example 4 really
Lucifer will be always one of my most favourite show but this whole last season was big dissapointment.
Most are, that's part of it....
But I agree. ANd the worst part was it wasn't even "terrible" like so many endings are. Some are so bad you can actually laugh at them.
This was just mediocre, and forgettable as fuck, and un-did all character development from the previous 6 seasons. (Either by beating the horse into the ground or just un-doing things in on fell swoop... Like Amenadiel wanting to become a cop.... the ending had me thinking... "why even bother?")
My own thoughts. A great film with a mediocre ending. Not bas but mediocre.
I had an angry paragraph typed when I realized, this is a basically a soap opera, and that maybe I'm taking it too seriously.
Excellent recap!
As a grown man, this made me shed a tear because of how it tied everything together and was a perfect show. Glad they were able to get the 2 seasons to end it and tie it all together, but was so hoping for like 20 more seasons. Rather have watched this long term instead of Grey's Anatomy.
I’m glad I watched your Malignant video before Warner bro’s got it.
After this entire show, I'm wandering what happened to trixie. She had to have found out about divine beings at some point.
It wasn’t a perfect ending. It just ended how it was supposed to.
I binge watched this a few weeks ago. it was one of the best I've seen. I'm writing as your video is playing. Sounds like you have a everything correct.
The entire series of Lucifer was in one word... Perfection. 😈❤
There's a few things about the final season that just don't make sense to me.
1. In season 5, Lucifer is hell-bent on becoming God so that he can change the system that determines where mortals go when they die, which would have drastically reduced the problem with lost souls in hell, especially for people who truly didn't deserve to suffer for all eternity and also to change the rules so Maze can become the Devil and prevent any Angel from having to be the one to sit on the Obsidian Throne. It's even implied that Lucifer was basically being groomed to become God by his father throughout the series because he doesn't personally step in and force Lucifer back to Hell which is clearly within his power and then the entire 5th season God basically accepts what's happening with a smile before he leaves the universe.
2. Lucifer returning to Hell and staying there makes no sense in terms of his character and his desires, no matter what he promised Rory. It was established in season 5 that 2 months on earth is 1000 years in Hell, that means one year on earth is 6000 years in Hell, which means by the time Chloe dies, Lucifer spent over 300,000 years in Hell helping the endless flow of people in a job that would literally have no end. If Lucifer became God, that number would have trickled significantly and more than likely would have allowed another Angel or even himself as God to still do the work of redeeming damned souls. With all of that in mind, he could have taken the time from the Throne of the Sovereign to spend time with Chloe and Rory, just like how Amenadiel does with Charlie and Linda. He could have still done the good he ends up doing and spent time with Rory and Chloe.
3. Lucifer basically becomes his father without being God. It's established in the series that Lucifer takes trips to the mortal world every few decades before he stayed resulting in season 1 but he never takes a direct hand in the child he helped create, undoing so much of his character development in the process..
4. Angels self-actualize their abilities, which means that Rory created the power to time travel out of intense emotional duress, but she doesn't self-actualize the ability to be invulnerable when it's super necessary? By the rules set out of the show, this doesn't make any sense.
5. Lucifer literally wages a war on his siblings to become God, something that is full-circle for his character as he, as the Devil, started his entire journey by starting a rebellion against his father. He wanted to become God for reasons so valid even some Angels sided with him when they didn't think he should be God as he was when he wanted the throne for superficial reasons. And then he decides to pass it on to Amenadiel who doesn't have that character arc happen.
6. Trixie got screwed over in the final season. They imply that her character arc was just giving Dan closure so he could go to heaven and that's all she had been used for; a means to an end, literally. It makes no sense given how integral her character is to so much of the series. She's not even by Chloe's death bed? In what reality is that the Trixie we all know? She never found out, on screen, about Celestials or the fact that her step-dad is the Angel that rules the Underworld and was going to become God.
7. At the end of season 5, we see Rory sit on the Obsidian Throne, but in clothing that is 1) completely antithetical to what she would wear for the rest of season (being a short skirt and fishnets) and 2) That she isn't wearing the next moment. Following the chain of events, it would only make sense that Lucifer took the Throne of the Sovereign and Maze is the one sitting on the throne.
The series should have had a longer finale; 10 episodes is just too short. This is the one season where 30 episodes would have been much better and a much more satisfying end of Lucifer becoming God and fixing things how he wants. If the ending we got was tear inducing, imagine watching a montage at the end of the series of Lucifer being in Rory and Chloe's life, their wedding, Lucifer getting to do all of those cheesy dad things with Rory and Trixie, Maze taking the Obsidian Throne with Eve at her side, Amenadiel being a loving father and brother acting as a liason for the brother that always was his biggest test and the human world they both love so much.
I'm not upset at the ending, it was just disappointing and unfulfilling.
I cried when Lucifer said goodbye to everyone especially Maze. I knew the end would come but this was the perfect ending to a perfect show. ❤️💯
Original! Excellent ending. Everybody else is Happy except the main character until many many many years later.
It was a satisfying ending for Lucifer. You can see his arc from season 1 till the very last episode of season 6. I will miss seeing him in LA doing weird stuff, but the show had to end sometime.
I have to say I think this is possibly one of the BEST endings to a program I have ever seen