Never heard of an RV inspection, but then I’ve never bought an RV. Planning on a truck camper within the next year, so was wondering how you go about getting it inspected? Are there “RV Inspection” companies out there? Really good info, thanks for calling bullsh*t on some of these money grabbing “services” that dealers encourage. ✌🏼
Any recommendations for 3rd party extended RV(Motor home) warranties? I know that there are a lot of them out there for regular cars like "Car Shield" that will quickly take your money but will deny every repair and never pay for anything. How & where do you get a 3rd party RV inspection done? I'm looking to buy my 1st RV. Thank you for your help.
Learn to walk away. Years ago I had a salesman say “ you going to walk away from this deal for $250.00”. Yes, then. A week later I noticed they had the same exact vehicle listed for the price I said I would pay, I saved $2000.00 by walking away.
I made the mistake of buying a new Thor Outlaw 37’ Class A Toy Hauler. That thing was a lemon, constantly in the shop, the roof leaked, even after sealing every possible place it could be, the door hinges rusted, every hinge inside popped out of the cabinets, elevator bed got stuck, and when I pulled the bedroom drawers out there was saw dust all over the electronics. Trim pieces kept falling off. If I had to do it all over again, I’d get the 3rd party inspection and skip Thor Class A products.
I almost bought a Thor Outlaw C toy hauler earlier this year. "Bells" in my head wouldn't let me commit. Your comment and, my further reviewing online reviews of other RVs by Thor, convince me that I was lucky to have not purchased.
What I always say is, "I am only inquiring about the price for the ____. I don't discuss financing or trading in until we settle on the price." I have walked out of a dealerships who persistently kept asking. I had one sales manager say to me, "well, that's how we do business." I replied, " it's not how I do business and I'm not doing it that way." I have allegedly paid more, but not when you figure in financing.
I recently walked out of a Toyota dealer because they insisted on negotiating payments instead of the out the door price. HUGE red flag that they want to hide unnecessary fees and pad the price!
Try to rent the model you are interested in buying. My wife and I thought the 16 foot Airstream Basecamp would be perfect for us. We decided to rent one and take it to a local State Park and spend a weekend living in it. We quickly realized it was too small for the two of us. Our thinking was on a rainy day we would be walking all over each other. This lead us to buying a 25 foot version and we have been very happy with our decision. It isn't too small or too big for use.
Be ready to lose money on your RV because you will. Be ready for down time in the dealership for repairs, more times than not for months. RVing is fun but expensive. Most salespeople are not RVers and know little about what they're talking about real life. I'm on my 4th RV in 15 years.
If you buy a motorized RV, the RV portion and the motorized portion usually have different warranties respectively. Not all dealerships can service both. Great video!
I’ve watched hundreds of hours of RV videos on TH-cam in preparation to buy my first one. Several talked about, as you did, third-party inspection. None got in any details on HOW. So how does a novice like me even know where/how to find an inspector and the mechanics of getting the inspector to go to a private seller from whom I want to buy the RV. Would really appreciate a video on step-by-step instructions on how to go about finding an inspector to do the job. Thanks.
This is where you would find an inspector. nrvia.org/locate/ We also do phone consultations where we could discuss more in depth the buying process, if you wish to email us for more information.
Excellent advice which I will follow to the latter. I wouldn’t buy any motorhome without having an independent inspection. If I found the perfect rig for the perfect price it would be subject to an independent inspection. Any issues that were unknown or hidden would either have to be repaired to the inspector’s complete satisfaction and at the dealerships costs or I would walk away no matter what. Great advice which will save people potentially $ thousands $$$👌✌️💫
Excellent tips.....great info guys! Can't stress enough about getting your own private inspector. The dealer might say that they do a very thorough inspection. I say, I understand, but I'd like everything verified since your tech works for you, and my inspector is working for me. As Izzy and MJ said, if the dealer is opposed to a private inspector....walk! My RV that I'm buying was inspected this past Wednesday. It was a 6 1/2 hour inspection complete with a thorough report and pictures. Also with that, I had a Fluid Analysis Report done. If you are buying a pre-owned unit....GET THE FLUID ANANLYSIS! Yes it is extra, but worth it. The inspector takes a sample of the Coolant, Engine Oil, Transmission Oil, and Generator Oil. These samples are then sent out to a lab to be analyzed. This type of testing will give you a true understanding of what's happening in the engine, finding corrosion, seizing, or something that could be potentially very costly down the road. The cost of my inspection was $600 + $129 for the fluid analysis report. Not cheap, but worth the piece of mind. My report is supposed to come back emailed to me on Monday. If all checks out, I'll take delivery probably Tuesday or Wednesday next week....Keep ya posted.
@@leeamm1 Since I was a few hundred miles away from my area, I just relied on Google and read the reviews. The gentleman I used had 5 star reviews... nothing less than 5 stars and every person that made a comment mention how thorough and nice and accommodating that he was. Can't go wrong with that right?
Jud Rose thank you! I did read further down in the comments. There is a site--NRVIA.org -- which is an excellent site to find RV inspectors across the nation.
Fantastic tips and information guys. I hadn’t thought about observing the dealerships repair shop. That was a great point to bring up. These tips are perfect for any newbie or seasoned RVer. Thanks for sharing.
I picked up my brand new camper once and the compressor line on the fridge was frozen solid during the walk through. The manufacturer claimed there needed to be a baffle installed in the wall. I was back 2 days later for it to sit for three months waiting on a new compressor (pre-covid at that). The hour and a half drive one way was the icing on the cake.
In your case of trading in vs selling your old rv privately? Remember that if your old rv is traded in, the new purchase price is lowered by that amount, and you may save $7500 or more because there is no sales tax on the value of the trade in. Dealers are all aware kf this and often use it to make their lowball offer seem like a better bargain overall.
Thank you for the helpful tips. I am in the early stages of the buying process, including researching and understanding the do's and don'ts process for my first Class A RV. This RV purchase will be a temporary home for a new assignment job away from my home-base and these are valuable tips for the newbie buyer as myself.
Finding a dealership is the hardest part. U Tube is a great place also. I didn’t test drive a Super C before I bought mine either,but I have driven big trucks a lot and that wasn’t a big deal for me. But Do Your Research that is Key !! Thanks Guys Great Tips For Sure !
Yes, finding a dealership is the toughest part. I’m interested in getting a Newmar; however, there aren’t many dealerships from which to choose. The nearest to me is Dylan’s RV and it’s over 100 miles away.
Thank you so much for this video. We opted for our "Semi Retirement home" begining of Covid. Now we are back to looking at RVs and your video has been invaluable for our new search for our retirement vacation home. Though we really want a motor home, we looked at travel trailers t get a feel of all our options. So we will continue to look at motor homes. definitely, Diesel, now if it is a C class or A...
BOY! If I'd watched this before tonight's Travels With Delaney live chat wouldn't have messed with you. Great video. Remember all that stuff from when we bought our current hybrid TT. We are now looking to upgrade to TT in 27-30' range. Another tip is not to finance any upgrades you want if you can avoid it. Either pay cash now or slowly add after purchase if you can wait. Thanks again!
It is normal for finance companies to pay a "commission" back to dealers. So if you finance through the dealer, they can sell you the vehicle for less, because they are getting that kickback from the financer. That's not a red flag, that's the industry. If there is no prepayment penalty, you can even get a better deal by taking the dealer financing and paying the loan off in full shortly afterward. (And refinancing with a better loan source if you prefer.)
We learned one of your lessons the hard way. The place we bought our rv takes months to get an appointment. So if you have an emergency repair you're out of luck.
We intended to purchase a class A RV the spring/summer of 2021. We had been looking at RV trader to get an idea of what was available and at what cost. An RV showed up early January for sale by the current owner that we decided to purchase. We talked with the current owner and scheduled a shared expense RVIA inspection. Three weeks later we flew down to South Carolina, did an in person walk thru and test drive, and then bought the RV. The inspection put both of us at ease. I knew what the owner had said was true. Both of us knew that there were no "Hidden" issues that needed to be dealt with. Always have the RV inspected.
Great advice and insight. Thank You. It is folks like you, experienced and willing to speak on the subject, that are a major plus to the RV Community. Again thank you.
💰💰💰. 😇. Even if you’re going to rent an RV make sure they give you some kind of documentation that they’ve checked the coach out thoroughly and checked out the propane system to make sure there’s no leaks and there’s no leaks of carbon monoxide in the couch when you run the furnace.
If you purchase an rv on. F53 chassis plan on spending an additional 3-5 thousand dollars to get a decent (not great) but decent upgraded steering suspension. E-trailer had all the parts for our 2019 Winnebago intent that had been field testing and were a breeze to install. As you stated it’s hard to find rv shops to do repairs, just try to find one to install upgrades to your suspension. All the suspension upgrades we have done have been able to be installed by me. E-trailer has videos on how to install and an experienced team to answer questions when or if they should come up. No I do not work for E-trailer but there customer service is over the moon. Really enjoy your channel.
You guys are the bomb! That's why we love watching you. Everything you have talked about in your last few videos; Don't Do It!, Do It!, and The Secret, are everything Dee and I have thought about, talked about, and considered before we make our purchase next year. One thing you might want to add to your list of of things is... "If you don't own a home or have a permanent address financing will be difficult and more expensive." We learned this straight from a salesperson AND a finance manager from a well known large dealership. By the time I'm done I'm sure you will get the general idea. Our plan was to sell our sticks and bricks, take the proceeds from the sale and purchase our RV with 50%+ down, and have enough left over to start traveling. The salesperson informed us it would be harder to get it financed because we didn't have a permanent residence. Just fyi, when we go to a dealership we tell the salesperson right up front "we are not buying today" you would be surprised at the difference in the service we get. Anyway, wanting to get on the road as soon as possible I called the same dealership that we went to and asked to talk to "someone in finance". I ended up leaving a voicemail, but my call was returned within 24 hours. I explained our plan and asked about financing. He was very up front and gave me the name of an institution that would finance us and the difference between having a residence and not. The finance interest would jump 1-1.5%. That may not sound like a lot but over 15-20 years on...to use your example of 100k dollars, that's a lot of money. We also agree on the extended warranty, and DEFINITELY spend the money on a professional RV inspector. We have been researching and reviewing things for five years. May seem like a long time, but Dee was still working until last December. Although we have done our homework thoroughly, we still appreciate your input and respect your experience and expertise. Izzy, if you can't trust a cop, who can you trust. We love you guys and wish you could be in Richmond on Tuesday would love to meet you. Chief, Dee and Lucy🐾 4EverLand RV
Thanks for sharing your experience. Good stuff. We won't be at the meetup unfortunately- a little far for us during a workweek. :/ Thanks guys for watching! - MJ
Thank you for sharing these tips. We purchased a travel trailer 5 years ago and were considering purchasing an upgrade. Not now. On our last camping trip we noticed sooo many new RVs and new trucks. The owners were first time owners and it was obvious. I'd like to add that since demand for new RV's is high, manufacturers are facing delayed shipments for parts. Your new RV may be missing parts that you would be responsible for if you did not have a proper or third party inspection. Once it leaves the lot they may not be responsible for it. Be sure to check the purchase aggrement.
Another suggestion. If you can when you find the RV you will probably get, go the factory and do their tour and see how it's made. As far PDI I went into a dealer and looked at a new RV, I pulled open a drawer in the kitchen to see how smooth they operate, the slide for the drawer on one side wasn't even attached so check drawers and doors.
I got financing before I went to buy. I knew what I could afford so I knew it would not be new the second time around. I went to El Monte RV and bought a used Class C. Paid it off in a year and 3 months.
James-How are things going with your RV? I'm considering visiting El Monte RV. Can you recommend them? This will be my first time buying an RV. Thanks:)
keep in mind selling your RV or trading it remember your TAX saving when trading SO if you sell make sure to make enough to cove the taxes on your new RV.
Excellent information! I love all of this!! We were selling ours privately but we live in it and were planning to work around the build timing. And then a few flags arose...we believe it's not the right time either. We will deal with this timing and wait it out. We heard about cracks in the frame of 2 models we were talking about on the groups. I'm not comfortable with that. We're back looking at Grand Design again. And we definitely believe in 3rd party inspection! You gave so much complete and accurate information here for anyone just getting into this. Anyone going into this should definitely take notes and follow these steps. We're lucky enough to have been in this 5+ years and know exactly what you are trying to teach. Also a little piece of information about the lack of RVs, there's lack of inventory of things going into the building of RVs that's causing problems. You said it right...not a good time to buy.
Winnebago, Tiffin & Newmar RV Dealers are required to service any customer, regardless of where they bought the RV. Now, with that said... probably will not get the priority service. Great Video!
My wife and I bought our first class A motorhome about 2 months ago. We included a warranty and paid for a PDI (not sure this is the norm). In our "excitement", something about the warranty didn't feel right; nonetheless, we got it. We kept asking questions about it, but the finance guy was a "smooth talker". But, we did ask if we could cancel it at anytime and he said yes. To make a long story short, we canceled the warranty which resulted in over $7000 coming off the loan and got our own warranty for about $4000. In order to get the warranty, they had to do an inspection. They found a leak in one of the leveling jacks, and a light up front wouldn't come on. As I said, I don't know if paying for a PDI is the norm, but it came with a 30-day period where they would fix major issues/components. Under the PDI, the dealership fixed the jack, the electrical issue, and a generator issue we noticed where it would shut off after a short period of time. Thanks for sharing your experiences...stay safe!!
Thanks for sharing. You should it have to pay for a PDI that is normally done by the dealership. You also confirmed the reason why we always suggest a 3rd party inspection prior to purchase. Thanks for sharing.
We are looking to buy our first Motorhome to live in full time. We came across this from Matt’s RV Reviews. Really good info. We also have been very impressed with Matt and General RV Center. Thanks again for your channel. Mike D.
Thank you guys SO MUCH for this awesome advice, this part is the most hated and dreaded process of getting litter screwed out of thousands of hard earned money and driving away happy with the deal .
You guys are not "bashing" dealers or salesmen---you are educating the buyers. Don't forget to add storage fees (if needed) to the calculations. I am looking for my first coach. I have been researching for months and have visited countless dealerships and have been in dozens of different coaches but none of them was "the one" for me. Three days ago I was driving to Walmart and I saw "the one"!!! It is a 2013 King Aire. She is the most beautiful coach I have ever seen. It dwarfed the 2012, 43-foot Discovery parked next to her. Tonight I will do the research on insurance and call the dealership this week to find out more details.
Very good video and tips. In 2016 we bought a brand new Open Range Light 297RLS. We were newbies but got very lucky with this RV. We go on multiple regional trips every year and have been on 3 cross country trips. It has yet to go to the shop for repairs. Just to a local, non-dealer to replace and lube the wheel bearings just in case, before last fall's desert SW trip. You never know when an RV will need repair though. So there are SOME well made RVs out there.
I’m researching my first RV purchase. Ive bought homes and vehicles; yet , none of those purchases were as complicated as buying an RV. It seems there are many more variables and pitfalls involved. I REALLY enjoy your videos. Although I live in PA, I grew up in Hudson County and your “NJ” sense speaks to me!.
I bought a 1993 diesel pusher made by Fleetwood at 80,000 miles on it so it had been used every year it’s 36 foot and it’s delightful and there are some repairs I had to make but so what it was like $170,000 vehicle in 1993 and I paid less than that considerably less I said I paid in the one digit segment so I got an opportunity to work on the motorhome I put complete solar on it I live in it’s just delightful I suggest everybody stays away from a brand spanking new one because they think that it’s gonna work perfect. They don’t work perfect it may be new and shiny but it’s not perfect. I heard somewhere or somebody say that taking a motorhome down the highway is like taking a house through a hurricane and earthquake all at the same time. Enjoy your journey boys and girls listen to these people when they talk to you about buying a vehicle they’re giving it one step further than buying an automobile and that one step further will save you lots and lots of headaches so pay close attention
Nice video, we purchased our first MH site unseen from Dallas TX, same as the second one, but, we ordered that one. Being from NJ we learned our lesson and know they will service it (but, yet we always go to Nappanee anyway) and bought from So. Jersey even though we’re from No. Jersey. Dealer was not NEARlY as good as the Dallas one, but we settled due to being able to store at their dealership in the winder due to the fact we purchased from them. You have some great advise for others in hear. Thanks for sharing! BTW. We love our Newmar and love going to their factory service and BS’ing with all of the other great folks there
I actually have been to 3 places almost buying one but what did I know about buying a RV.This video is definitely a big plus,thank you going back to watch it again and take notes
Good morning MJ and Izzy! I hope all is well with you and Jason. Thank you very much for the tremendous tips! Yes...these are very important recommendations! A pre purchase inspection can definitely help curb the risk of having an undetected slow cancer eating away at your new rig. Safe travels!!
I’m new to your channel. We are currently saving for our first motor home purchase. We have so far landed on a Jayco Redhawk 22c SE. From what I see and have learned so far I want a gently used 1 year old or less with 10,000km or less and some time on the generator etc. as we hope to avoid that initial off the lot depreciation as well we hope some of the warrantied kinks have been worked out. I really appreciate this direct and straight shooting video. I just finished ready several reviews about the dealership we think we want to deal with, the salesman spent an hour with us even though we told him straight away we are still saving and looking to narrow down our ideal coach. I think the amount of research was appreciated by the salesman who remained attentive and invested in providing us a great first time experience. I am hesitant now that I see a pattern in post purchase service so we may ask him a bunch of questions in this area or start to look elsewhere. Thank you for all the great things to consider and save extra for our first RV purchase. We are excited to keep learning with you until we pull the trigger on our new adventure. Cheers
Absolutely fabulous information! Thanks so much. I am looking for an RV for business and for family (2 units) and the information you guys put out is invaluable! With the information I have from your videos the dealer is going to have to work for this one!!!
I just subscribed to your channel. I finally found a channel that gives very useful information and just doesn't take you to view the trips they took. When I buy my 1st RV I'm taking you 2 with me lol. This is an amazing channel that I will share with alot of friends. Thank you so much for "Leveling the playing field". P.S. izzy do I detect a N.Y. accent? Hey bro I'm from Queens, N.Y.
Great video. If you buy a new Rv and U get water or damage and dealer will not help U. Lawyer free of charge will take dealer to court and will have to buy back ur rv. Its the law called buy back.
Pulled the trigger on a used 2020 Winnebago Outlook 22c - only 4,000 miles - great price - feeling lucky??? We will soon find out - after months of research we feel lucky we found one near us!
One little note on trading in vs selling privately. I'm not a current Rv'er, just exploring the idea, however I would assume Rvs are just like cars, you pay sales tax based on net sale. If you are buying a 100k unit and they are giving you 20k on your trade, your sales tax is based on 80k. If you decide to sell yourself, your sales tax is based on 100k. So now you need to subtract the additional taxes you paid from the additional you received from your private sales. Add in hassle, decide if you actually did better.
Just “discovered” you two and we and the wife are on planning on purchasing our first RV AFTER the vaccination becomes more available to the mainstream. Your videos are absolutely wonderful and informative. Thank you for committing to these...will certainly be applying your tips!
Great tips and super helpful . Wish we knew good tips like this a couple months ago . We bought our first RV and didn’t know much when we did . I was angry with those dealer prep fees and bull crap delivery fees . Tried but couldn’t negotiate much . Mainly cause I bought in this high demand market . The salesman said if you don’t want it we will sell it to someone else today . It was the last one left in the lot . They had five new motor homes on that Monday and by the time we could get there on Thursday only one left . Did get talked into extended warranty and do regret that extra 7k . But live and learn . Going try to pay off in five years to minimize the interest . Next time I wouldn’t go to camping world and I would buy from a smaller local dealer Thanks for a great video
OMG! Not Camping World. Heard so many horror stories. We dodged that bullet, caught another though. So important as this video points out to pick the right dealer. We have had enough problems with the dealer we bought from. Having to wait 2 weeks to get our recall and warranty work started. No phone calls back. Had to demand a manager. Then one weekend out and more electrical problems. Back in the shop again. We bought ours in February.
One of the things that you forgot to mention is the trade value is applied against the total balance before you pay taxes. So a person will want to look at what trade in value they were given and understand the differences between sales tax for the total sale vs. Sales tax for the total amount less a trade-in because that value especially on high dollar items can be pretty extensive
All very good tips just wish I had seen this video before my wife and I made most of those mistakes. My theory though is with cars, or RVs is no matter how good a deal you get, and it may be great ,you still got the shaft. Before I retired I had a very dedicated Christian lady in my carpool who quit her job at a car dealership because she could not stand to see the way they stole from and cheated their customers.
Years ago, I was considering buying stock in a known RV maker business. After hearing all of the “imperfections” and how RVs are made and problems that RVs have, I am glad I did not buy stock in any of those companies. I am pleased to learn that cargo vans are much better choices and have decided to target used Ford Transits in my search. I have had it suggested to me to consider an already converted van to cut down on the costs of building the interior. My question now, is, how can you tell how well the interior is prepared and insulated, wired , plumbed and free of rust?
I have an infrared camera ( like the kind they used to find the Boston bomber. He showed his body heat as red and white while hiding under a boat) while I purchased it to detect problem areas in horses we were also taught that it shows insulation and i.perfections in the walls, floors, ceiling etc. I have never tried it for that application. I will take that along with me when I go to purchase.
Hi this is the second video of yours my husband and I have watched and we want to thank you for being there for the consumers. In 2021 or 2022 we want to buy our first RV. It’s scary out there of what, how to do things, especially in our late 50s & early 60s. Thank so very much for helping us out. We will watch all your videos. 👍🇨🇦
I really appreciate your no nonsense, objective insight that you provide from actual experience! I have a pop-up camper right now, but my goal is to upgrade eventually. Your advice reaffirms my reluctance to settle for a substandard RV.
I bought an RV several years ago and had the exact situation happen as described in this video. the sealant around the roof was not completed thoroughly. We had severe rot in the roof and side walls. For this reason I said I would never buy another RV ! This video helps. I MIGHT ??
Very helpful video! Being a first-time buyer, I'm a little nervous now -- so much to worry about! But I really appreciate the wisdom you've shared from your experiences.
GREAT video, first bought new, 2nd bought from individual. First dealer same manuf would do nothing to help on second bought from individual, but they were not that helpful/responsive anyway :)
Outstanding video, thanks for all the tips. Izzy, have and MJ ever thought of doing factory tours, you two have a lot of viewers, and I am sure, like me, we enjoy your honest opinions on the factory’s.
Gave you a thumbs up and havent even watched the entire video.Ive watched a lot of videos and you put a lot of information,it would take 3 videos combined to equal this one
Wow, this video is what I needed! I wish you could have made a car dealership video like this 6yrs ago, we were swaddled like a baby and got everything thing you just said we didn't need, bells and whistles for just in case items, wheel rims damage, leather seat damage etc. We were in way over our heads on just a family vehicle and listening to the sales mbr explain exactly why we needed that coverage, we had young kids that were slightly less careful than we wanted them to be..it was a payment almost as much as a mortgage payment and would actually eat one of my full paychecks, but hey it was pretty and new and had heated seats and they said I looked gooood driving it🤔🤫🤷♀️ well, in a few years I had changed jobs and finally was jobless due to circumstances and yep, you guessed it, falling behind on payments means they might want it back. So thank you so much for this video, even thought the focus is for an RV, the lesson is the same. I learned a trick from a famous well known motivational speaker and coach, Lisa Nichols, set an amount of money that you intend to spend and what type of vehicle you want and what features you want it to have. Picture yourself walking into the dealership and asking for the manager, tell them exactly what you are looking for and how much you are going to spend, within that amount would be all taxes and insurance and any warranty fees etc. Now of course they will try to convince you that all of those specs would have to be added to the price that they couldn't possibly give such a price with everything already included. Now this is where you prove them wrong because you did your homework. You had called a few dealerships that carried the vehicle that you were looking for and you asked for the manager, you got to know him/her and you now have power on your side. So when you go into the dealership where you want to make your pool purchase from, if (when) they say that it is impossible to get everything you are asking, you remind them that if they can not do the deal, you will go down the street and make the deal with "Bob", you know Bob, well he said he could do that for me, but I really want to give you my business. And sure enough Lisa got her car and everything that she asked for, for the price she wanted and paid cash and went on her way. Now I have to add my story, while looking for a new car to replace the one I lost💔💔😥😪, we were looking around the lot and as usual a salesman was trying to steer me towards what they wanted to sell, not what I was looking for. Of course they tried to be friendly and invite you inside the office for coffee or water to talk about options, when I clearly said I was jus TV looking right now to see what was available. Guess what they wanted to do?🤔run my credit, well fill out an application for future use. Well to my surprise I said no, not now, I'm just looking. They pleaded but I actually stayed strong on my no and the look on the office girl tha was going to fill out the application was priceless 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼! Did it, I said no and we walked out the door feeling pretty powerful. I still haven't found the vehicle I want yet, but I know how to get it done when I am ready!😉😉 so thank you again for the reminder we all need, to be wary and do some research, be knowledgeable and stand firm or walk away.
Thanks for sharing. Here is a quick funny story with our last vehicle purchase. The finance guy was trying to tell me how complicated new vehicles are and I really should buy the extended warranty because all the potential problems the vehicle may have. When he was done I told him I may have to reassess my purchase because I was now concerned of all the problems the vehicle might have. Needless to say he dropped the extended warranty nonsense lol. I actually have fun at car dealerships when the sales person is a snake. It can be entertaining making them feel uncomfortable Thanks for watching and the comment. Izzy
Bought my first one two years ago. From a dealer. Got a good base price but I got nailed in the finance department with over-inflated warranty and junk fees. I thought I did good because of the base price. End result was just okay. Planning to buy my next one early next year after the market settles out some
great video... on first mh , a coachmen, from large mid georgia dealer... we bought the tire warranty... later found out that dealer , cancelled it a few weeks after sale!! and did not tell us... they kept the $$ and there were some initial things that were wrong. dealer promised to fix them before final sale. didn't. so we left. went back, dealer still hadn't fixed... at closing table at bottom line, i said deduct 1000. for unrepaired items... they got upset. showed out.. i told them that when repairs made, we'd pay the extra 1000. they never completed repairs... by cj
Thank you! Really helpful info. I've finally found my "sweet spot" 35 foot toyhauler 5th (1 to 3 years old). This is other peoples sweet spot too because when ever I find one it sells pretty quickly. Then I have to decide if i'm going to drive 600 to 800 miles to get it. I had one here in fort worth but it sold too fast. I thought after labor day things would slow down.
2nd purchase of lance TT. I use third party surveyor to purchase used boats. If I want the boat I offer asking price then have survey and then the negotiation process really begins.
we never planned on one - but after visiting a friends camp site - i bought one within 3 hours and with a small rv sales center they talked me out of a new one and got us into a used one with a great deal - they even brought it to the seasonal site and set it up for us
I am a new buyer. I know nothing, so this was really helpful. Thank you! I know what I want but not sure about all of the above questions. You’ve answered a few of my questions. Prices have shot up so it will be a little longer before I make a purchase. I followed RVTRADER and a few other ones but I’d prefer to buy from an individual. You mentioned a dealer may not work on an rv if it wasn’t purchased from them. What good is that if you are traveling for months out of the year? I’ll keep watching & thanks again. Randy.
You are right if you are traveling if may become an issue if you break down. You may have to go to an RV repair center which are usually better than dealers from our experience. Thanks for watching and the comment. Izzy
Good info, appreciate you both sharing your knowledge. Good to know that dealers are not obligated to service RV's not bought from them even if they are authorized dealers of that manufacturer. I live in the Northeast U.S. and seems like there is much more inventory and better pricing in Florida, however if it may not be serviceable in my area it may not be the route to go dealers are about 1-2 hours from here (NY Metro burbs) as it is 👍🏽
Let me tell you the quick bottom line. Go to an RV show, bigger the better to find out what you want in person! Then Shop on line, make dealers compete against each other. I drove 14 hours one way to get my RV a few years ago, but saved over $5,000 on my purchase, not sure what your time is worth, but $5,000 is for sure worth 2 days of my life!
Thank you, great video; lots of good info presented well. I had already thought about 3rd party inspection, nice to have you affirm this idea. Haven’t owned rv yet, gathering info.
Great points. I found the best price on a Rockwood Roo 235s from a dealer 6 miles from the factory in Indiana. It's a 10hr drive from our home near Philadelphia. I will check to make sure the local Rockwood dealers will service it. I'm not sure how they can refuse if they carry the brand. Thanks for the heads up.
Certainly check if they will service. They may not refuse but you may go to the back of the line and that line can be weeks or months long. We know from experience. Congrats on your purchase. Izzy
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Never heard of an RV inspection, but then I’ve never bought an RV. Planning on a truck camper within the next year, so was wondering how you go about getting it inspected? Are there “RV Inspection” companies out there? Really good info, thanks for calling bullsh*t on some of these money grabbing “services” that dealers encourage. ✌🏼
Any recommendations for 3rd party extended RV(Motor home) warranties?
I know that there are a lot of them out there for regular cars like "Car Shield" that will quickly take your money but will deny every repair and never pay for anything.
How & where do you get a 3rd party RV inspection done?
I'm looking to buy my 1st RV.
Thank you for your help.
Learn to walk away. Years ago I had a salesman say “ you going to walk away from this deal for $250.00”. Yes, then. A week later I noticed they had the same exact vehicle listed for the price I said I would pay, I saved $2000.00 by walking away.
Thanks for sharing.
I made the mistake of buying a new Thor Outlaw 37’ Class A Toy Hauler. That thing was a lemon, constantly in the shop, the roof leaked, even after sealing every possible place it could be, the door hinges rusted, every hinge inside popped out of the cabinets, elevator bed got stuck, and when I pulled the bedroom drawers out there was saw dust all over the electronics. Trim pieces kept falling off. If I had to do it all over again, I’d get the 3rd party inspection and skip Thor Class A products.
Sorry to hear that but not surprised. Thor has not made a good name for itself in the industry. Hopefully you can get it worked out.
I almost bought a Thor Outlaw C toy hauler earlier this year. "Bells" in my head wouldn't let me commit. Your comment and, my further reviewing online reviews of other RVs by Thor, convince me that I was lucky to have not purchased.
What I always say is, "I am only inquiring about the price for the ____. I don't discuss financing or trading in until we settle on the price." I have walked out of a dealerships who persistently kept asking. I had one sales manager say to me, "well, that's how we do business." I replied, " it's not how I do business and I'm not doing it that way." I have allegedly paid more, but not when you figure in financing.
There ya go, Roy People always have to be willing to walk away and go elsewhere. Thanks for your experience. 👍 - MJ
I recently walked out of a Toyota dealer because they insisted on negotiating payments instead of the out the door price. HUGE red flag that they want to hide unnecessary fees and pad the price!
Try to rent the model you are interested in buying. My wife and I thought the 16 foot Airstream Basecamp would be perfect for us. We decided to rent one and take it to a local State Park and spend a weekend living in it. We quickly realized it was too small for the two of us. Our thinking was on a rainy day we would be walking all over each other. This lead us to buying a 25 foot version and we have been very happy with our decision. It isn't too small or too big for use.
Good decision thanks for sharing.
Izzy
Be ready to lose money on your RV because you will. Be ready for down time in the dealership for repairs, more times than not for months. RVing is fun but expensive. Most salespeople are not RVers and know little about what they're talking about real life. I'm on my 4th RV in 15 years.
Thanks for your thoughts, Steve. - MJ
What types Of RVs have you owned?
If you buy a motorized RV, the RV portion and the motorized portion usually have different warranties respectively. Not all dealerships can service both. Great video!
Yes that is true and you are correct on who will honor the warranty. Thanks for sharing.
Izzy
I’ve watched hundreds of hours of RV videos on TH-cam in preparation to buy my first one. Several talked about, as you did, third-party inspection. None got in any details on HOW. So how does a novice like me even know where/how to find an inspector and the mechanics of getting the inspector to go to a private seller from whom I want to buy the RV. Would really appreciate a video on step-by-step instructions on how to go about finding an inspector to do the job. Thanks.
This is where you would find an inspector.
nrvia.org/locate/
We also do phone consultations where we could discuss more in depth the buying process, if you wish to email us for more information.
Endless RVing: Thanks so much for this information. It’s tremendously helpful. Wonderful.
Excellent advice which I will follow to the latter. I wouldn’t buy any motorhome without having an independent inspection. If I found the perfect rig for the perfect price it would be subject to an independent inspection. Any issues that were unknown or hidden would either have to be repaired to the inspector’s complete satisfaction and at the dealerships costs or I would walk away no matter what. Great advice which will save people potentially $ thousands $$$👌✌️💫
Excellent tips.....great info guys!
Can't stress enough about getting your own private inspector. The dealer might say that they do a very thorough inspection. I say, I understand, but I'd like everything verified since your tech works for you, and my inspector is working for me. As Izzy and MJ said, if the dealer is opposed to a private inspector....walk! My RV that I'm buying was inspected this past Wednesday. It was a 6 1/2 hour inspection complete with a thorough report and pictures. Also with that, I had a Fluid Analysis Report done. If you are buying a pre-owned unit....GET THE FLUID ANANLYSIS! Yes it is extra, but worth it. The inspector takes a sample of the Coolant, Engine Oil, Transmission Oil, and Generator Oil. These samples are then sent out to a lab to be analyzed. This type of testing will give you a true understanding of what's happening in the engine, finding corrosion, seizing, or something that could be potentially very costly down the road. The cost of my inspection was $600 + $129 for the fluid analysis report. Not cheap, but worth the piece of mind. My report is supposed to come back emailed to me on Monday. If all checks out, I'll take delivery probably Tuesday or Wednesday next week....Keep ya posted.
Very exciting. Good luck! - MJ
@@EndlessRVing
Indeed....thx!
Jud Rose how do you find a reparable RV inspector?
@@leeamm1 Since I was a few hundred miles away from my area, I just relied on Google and read the reviews. The gentleman I used had 5 star reviews... nothing less than 5 stars and every person that made a comment mention how thorough and nice and accommodating that he was. Can't go wrong with that right?
Jud Rose thank you! I did read further down in the comments. There is a site--NRVIA.org -- which is an excellent site to find RV inspectors across the nation.
Fantastic tips and information guys. I hadn’t thought about observing the dealerships repair shop. That was a great point to bring up. These tips are perfect for any newbie or seasoned RVer. Thanks for sharing.
Glad it was helpful. Thanks for checking it out! - MJ
I never thought about checking out that area before purchasing until watching this video.
I'll be sure and check before purchasing one now though.
ImVGodsgift check it out well and call them like you need service. See how long the wait is to get in.
@@EndlessRVing great info. Thank you
I picked up my brand new camper once and the compressor line on the fridge was frozen solid during the walk through. The manufacturer claimed there needed to be a baffle installed in the wall. I was back 2 days later for it to sit for three months waiting on a new compressor (pre-covid at that). The hour and a half drive one way was the icing on the cake.
In your case of trading in vs selling your old rv privately? Remember that if your old rv is traded in, the new purchase price is lowered by that amount, and you may save $7500 or more because there is no sales tax on the value of the trade in. Dealers are all aware kf this and often use it to make their lowball offer seem like a better bargain overall.
Thank you for the helpful tips. I am in the early stages of the buying process, including researching and understanding the do's and don'ts process for my first Class A RV. This RV purchase will be a temporary home for a new assignment job away from my home-base and these are valuable tips for the newbie buyer as myself.
Great, glad it helped. Go in knowledgable. Thanks for watching, James. - MJ
Finding a dealership is the hardest part. U Tube is a great place also. I didn’t test drive a Super C before I bought mine either,but I have driven big trucks a lot and that wasn’t a big deal for me. But Do Your Research that is Key !! Thanks Guys Great Tips For Sure !
Right, so you had that truck driving experience already so knew what to expect. I hear ya. Thanks for your thoughts Don! - MJ
Yes, finding a dealership is the toughest part. I’m interested in getting a Newmar; however, there aren’t many dealerships from which to choose. The nearest to me is Dylan’s RV and it’s over 100 miles away.
Thank you so much for this video. We opted for our "Semi Retirement home" begining of Covid. Now we are back to looking at RVs and your video has been invaluable for our new search for our retirement vacation home. Though we really want a motor home, we looked at travel trailers t get a feel of all our options. So we will continue to look at motor homes. definitely, Diesel, now if it is a C class or A...
BOY! If I'd watched this before tonight's Travels With Delaney live chat wouldn't have messed with you. Great video. Remember all that stuff from when we bought our current hybrid TT. We are now looking to upgrade to TT in 27-30' range. Another tip is not to finance any upgrades you want if you can avoid it. Either pay cash now or slowly add after purchase if you can wait. Thanks again!
LOL No worries. Thanks for watching and your thoughts Wayne! - MJ
You guys are thorough, knowledgeable, and truthfully, pleasant to listen to. Very good audio and video. All around wonderful job. Thanks.
Wow, thank you! We appreciate your kind words. :) - MJ
It is normal for finance companies to pay a "commission" back to dealers. So if you finance through the dealer, they can sell you the vehicle for less, because they are getting that kickback from the financer. That's not a red flag, that's the industry.
If there is no prepayment penalty, you can even get a better deal by taking the dealer financing and paying the loan off in full shortly afterward. (And refinancing with a better loan source if you prefer.)
We learned one of your lessons the hard way. The place we bought our rv takes months to get an appointment. So if you have an emergency repair you're out of luck.
Yep. That is the sad truth no dealer will tell you. Thanks for watching and the comment
We intended to purchase a class A RV the spring/summer of 2021.
We had been looking at RV trader to get an idea of what was available and at what cost.
An RV showed up early January for sale by the current owner that we decided to purchase.
We talked with the current owner and scheduled a shared expense RVIA inspection.
Three weeks later we flew down to South Carolina, did an in person walk thru and test drive, and then bought the RV.
The inspection put both of us at ease.
I knew what the owner had said was true.
Both of us knew that there were no "Hidden" issues that needed to be dealt with.
Always have the RV inspected.
Thanks for sharing
Great advice and insight. Thank You. It is folks like you, experienced and willing to speak on the subject, that are a major plus to the RV Community. Again thank you.
Thanks so much, Tom. We appreciate you and your support. - MJ
💰💰💰. 😇. Even if you’re going to rent an RV make sure they give you some kind of documentation that they’ve checked the coach out thoroughly and checked out the propane system to make sure there’s no leaks and there’s no leaks of carbon monoxide in the couch when you run the furnace.
If you purchase an rv on. F53 chassis plan on spending an additional 3-5 thousand dollars to get a decent (not great) but decent upgraded steering suspension. E-trailer had all the parts for our 2019 Winnebago intent that had been field testing and were a breeze to install. As you stated it’s hard to find rv shops to do repairs, just try to find one to install upgrades to your suspension. All the suspension upgrades we have done have been able to be installed by me. E-trailer has videos on how to install and an experienced team to answer questions when or if they should come up. No I do not work for E-trailer but there customer service is over the moon. Really enjoy your channel.
We agree. Thanks for sharing
You guys are the bomb! That's why we love watching you.
Everything you have talked about in your last few videos; Don't Do It!, Do It!, and The Secret, are everything Dee and I have thought about, talked about, and considered before we make our purchase next year.
One thing you might want to add to your list of of things is... "If you don't own a home or have a permanent address financing will be difficult and more expensive."
We learned this straight from a salesperson AND a finance manager from a well known large dealership. By the time I'm done I'm sure you will get the general idea.
Our plan was to sell our sticks and bricks, take the proceeds from the sale and purchase our RV with 50%+ down, and have enough left over to start traveling. The salesperson informed us it would be harder to get it financed because we didn't have a permanent residence. Just fyi, when we go to a dealership we tell the salesperson right up front "we are not buying today" you would be surprised at the difference in the service we get.
Anyway, wanting to get on the road as soon as possible I called the same dealership that we went to and asked to talk to "someone in finance". I ended up leaving a voicemail, but my call was returned within 24 hours. I explained our plan and asked about financing. He was very up front and gave me the name of an institution that would finance us and the difference between having a residence and not. The finance interest would jump 1-1.5%. That may not sound like a lot but over 15-20 years on...to use your example of 100k dollars, that's a lot of money.
We also agree on the extended warranty, and DEFINITELY spend the money on a professional RV inspector. We have been researching and reviewing things for five years. May seem like a long time, but Dee was still working until last December.
Although we have done our homework thoroughly, we still appreciate your input and respect your experience and expertise.
Izzy, if you can't trust a cop, who can you trust.
We love you guys and wish you could be in Richmond on Tuesday would love to meet you.
Chief, Dee and Lucy🐾
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Thanks for sharing your experience. Good stuff. We won't be at the meetup unfortunately- a little far for us during a workweek. :/ Thanks guys for watching! - MJ
@@EndlessRVing We totally understand, but promise we will catch up with you soon, even if we have to drive up to Joyzee 😂😎
4EverLand RV 😂😂 Correct pronunciation ! Lol
@@EndlessRVing 😘
Thank you for your support and service to our country. I see more people standing up for our freedom!
Thank you for sharing these tips. We purchased a travel trailer 5 years ago and were considering purchasing an upgrade. Not now. On our last camping trip we noticed sooo many new RVs and new trucks. The owners were first time owners and it was obvious. I'd like to add that since demand for new RV's is high, manufacturers are facing delayed shipments for parts. Your new RV may be missing parts that you would be responsible for if you did not have a proper or third party inspection. Once it leaves the lot they may not be responsible for it. Be sure to check the purchase aggrement.
Absolutely agree. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
Izzy
Another suggestion. If you can when you find the RV you will probably get, go the factory and do their tour and see how it's made. As far PDI I went into a dealer and looked at a new RV, I pulled open a drawer in the kitchen to see how smooth they operate, the slide for the drawer on one side wasn't even attached so check drawers and doors.
We have been to numerous factories and yes take your time with PDI. Thanks for sharing.
Izzy
I got financing before I went to buy. I knew what I could afford so I knew it would not be new the second time around. I went to El Monte RV and bought a used Class C. Paid it off in a year and 3 months.
Thanks for sharing James.
Izzy
James-How are things going with your RV? I'm considering visiting El Monte RV. Can you recommend them? This will be my first time buying an RV. Thanks:)
@@kimyarger4506 The prices are a bit higher now. But the RVs available are newer. You have to check them out and decide for yourself.
I hadn't thought about a 3rd party inspection on delivery/PDI. Thanks for the tip!
Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
How do find a 3rd party inspector ❓
@@jasonbailey1166 See the link in a prior comment
keep in mind selling your RV or trading it remember your TAX saving when trading SO if you sell make sure to make enough to cove the taxes on your new RV.
Really great information. I have to watch this again. 3am is not a good time to watch such an important video.
someguyonLI yes you want to know the material. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
Excellent information! I love all of this!!
We were selling ours privately but we live in it and were planning to work around the build timing. And then a few flags arose...we believe it's not the right time either. We will deal with this timing and wait it out.
We heard about cracks in the frame of 2 models we were talking about on the groups.
I'm not comfortable with that. We're back looking at Grand Design again. And we definitely believe in 3rd party inspection!
You gave so much complete and accurate information here for anyone just getting into this. Anyone going into this should definitely take notes and follow these steps.
We're lucky enough to have been in this 5+ years and know exactly what you are trying to teach.
Also a little piece of information about the lack of RVs, there's lack of inventory of things going into the building of RVs that's causing problems. You said it right...not a good time to buy.
Thanks for sharing Mary Lou. :) Hope this can help buyers get the most out of the process- MJ
Winnebago, Tiffin & Newmar RV Dealers are required to service any customer, regardless of where they bought the RV. Now, with that said... probably will not get the priority service. Great Video!
Lol required to do and actually do are very different. We learned this first hand with a different brand RV. Thanks for the info Paul.
Izzy
My wife and I bought our first class A motorhome about 2 months ago. We included a warranty and paid for a PDI (not sure this is the norm). In our "excitement", something about the warranty didn't feel right; nonetheless, we got it. We kept asking questions about it, but the finance guy was a "smooth talker". But, we did ask if we could cancel it at anytime and he said yes. To make a long story short, we canceled the warranty which resulted in over $7000 coming off the loan and got our own warranty for about $4000. In order to get the warranty, they had to do an inspection. They found a leak in one of the leveling jacks, and a light up front wouldn't come on. As I said, I don't know if paying for a PDI is the norm, but it came with a 30-day period where they would fix major issues/components. Under the PDI, the dealership fixed the jack, the electrical issue, and a generator issue we noticed where it would shut off after a short period of time. Thanks for sharing your experiences...stay safe!!
Thanks for sharing. You should it have to pay for a PDI that is normally done by the dealership. You also confirmed the reason why we always suggest a 3rd party inspection prior to purchase. Thanks for sharing.
Right on the spot with info! I will never again by a new RV from a dealer knowing what I know now. And the inspection is vital. Thomyt
You got it. Always get that inspection. Thanks Thomas. 👍 - MJ
We are looking to buy our first Motorhome to live in full time. We came across this from Matt’s RV Reviews. Really good info. We also have been very impressed with Matt and General RV Center. Thanks again for your channel. Mike D.
Glad to have you here!
Thanks for the info. One of the few upside to trading in your RV is that it will reduce the sales tax on the purchase of the new RV.
This is True Andrew but most of the time the private sale will be more financially lucrative. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
Thank you guys SO MUCH for this awesome advice, this part is the most hated and dreaded process of getting litter screwed out of thousands of hard earned money and driving away happy with the deal .
Glad it helped. Thanks Donna! - MJ
You guys are not "bashing" dealers or salesmen---you are educating the buyers.
Don't forget to add storage fees (if needed) to the calculations.
I am looking for my first coach. I have been researching for months and have visited countless dealerships and have been in dozens of different coaches but none of them was "the one" for me.
Three days ago I was driving to Walmart and I saw "the one"!!! It is a 2013 King Aire. She is the most beautiful coach I have ever seen. It dwarfed the 2012, 43-foot Discovery parked next to her. Tonight I will do the research on insurance and call the dealership this week to find out more details.
King Aire is a fine coach, good luck on your purchase.
Izzy
Very good video and tips.
In 2016 we bought a brand new Open Range Light 297RLS. We were newbies but got very lucky with this RV. We go on multiple regional trips every year and have been on 3 cross country trips. It has yet to go to the shop for repairs. Just to a local, non-dealer to replace and lube the wheel bearings just in case, before last fall's desert SW trip. You never know when an RV will need repair though. So there are SOME well made RVs out there.
Thanks for sharing!
I’m researching my first RV purchase. Ive bought homes and vehicles; yet , none of those purchases were as complicated as buying an RV. It seems there are many more variables and pitfalls involved. I REALLY enjoy your videos. Although I live in PA, I grew up in Hudson County and your “NJ” sense speaks to me!.
So glad the info helps- that's our goal! A Hudson County boy, just like Izzy. :) Thanks for watching David! - MJ
Endless RVing I thought I recognized the accent!
I bought a 1993 diesel pusher made by Fleetwood at 80,000 miles on it so it had been used every year it’s 36 foot and it’s delightful and there are some repairs I had to make but so what it was like $170,000 vehicle in 1993 and I paid less than that considerably less I said I paid in the one digit segment so I got an opportunity to work on the motorhome I put complete solar on it I live in it’s just delightful I suggest everybody stays away from a brand spanking new one because they think that it’s gonna work perfect. They don’t work perfect it may be new and shiny but it’s not perfect. I heard somewhere or somebody say that taking a motorhome down the highway is like taking a house through a hurricane and earthquake all at the same time. Enjoy your journey boys and girls listen to these people when they talk to you about buying a vehicle they’re giving it one step further than buying an automobile and that one step further will save you lots and lots of headaches so pay close attention
Thank you- glad you are happy with yours! - MJ
Nice video, we purchased our first MH site unseen from Dallas TX, same as the second one, but, we ordered that one. Being from NJ we learned our lesson and know they will service it (but, yet we always go to Nappanee anyway) and bought from So. Jersey even though we’re from No. Jersey. Dealer was not NEARlY as good as the Dallas one, but we settled due to being able to store at their dealership in the winder due to the fact we purchased from them. You have some great advise for others in hear. Thanks for sharing! BTW. We love our Newmar and love going to their factory service and BS’ing with all of the other great folks there
Yes, the Newmar Factory is a blast! Thanks and glad you liked the video. Happy travels. :) - MJ
Awesome tips. I love the new clothing. We did most of the same things as you guys. The only thing I regret is the dealership we bought from.
Thanks Chris! I think a lot of people have that regret. LOL Now we definitely know how to do it better next time. 👍 - MJ
Great info , haven’t got RV yet, glad to have people like you on our side
Thanks for watching and the kind words.
Izzy
I actually have been to 3 places almost buying one but what did I know about buying a RV.This video is definitely a big plus,thank you going back to watch it again and take notes
Glad it helped!
Good morning MJ and Izzy! I hope all is well with you and Jason.
Thank you very much for the tremendous tips! Yes...these are very important recommendations! A pre purchase inspection can definitely help curb the risk of having an undetected slow cancer eating away at your new rig. Safe travels!!
Thanks Alan! Glad you liked the video. - MJ
I’m new to your channel. We are currently saving for our first motor home purchase. We have so far landed on a Jayco Redhawk 22c SE. From what I see and have learned so far I want a gently used 1 year old or less with 10,000km or less and some time on the generator etc. as we hope to avoid that initial off the lot depreciation as well we hope some of the warrantied kinks have been worked out. I really appreciate this direct and straight shooting video. I just finished ready several reviews about the dealership we think we want to deal with, the salesman spent an hour with us even though we told him straight away we are still saving and looking to narrow down our ideal coach. I think the amount of research was appreciated by the salesman who remained attentive and invested in providing us a great first time experience. I am hesitant now that I see a pattern in post purchase service so we may ask him a bunch of questions in this area or start to look elsewhere. Thank you for all the great things to consider and save extra for our first RV purchase. We are excited to keep learning with you until we pull the trigger on our new adventure. Cheers
Best of luck to you Will. Thanks for being here!
Absolutely fabulous information! Thanks so much. I am looking for an RV for business and for family (2 units) and the information you guys put out is invaluable! With the information I have from your videos the dealer is going to have to work for this one!!!
Awesome Vincent good luck on your search.
Izzy
I just subscribed to your channel. I finally found a channel that gives very useful information and just doesn't take you to view the trips they took. When I buy my 1st RV I'm taking you 2 with me lol. This is an amazing channel that I will share with alot of friends. Thank you so much for "Leveling the playing field".
P.S. izzy do I detect a N.Y. accent? Hey bro I'm from Queens, N.Y.
Thanks for joining the channel. Glad we can help and yes NJ based
Great information y'all. This will help a lot of people getting ready to buy I think. Great share.
Yep I wish we knew al this when bought our first one. Would have saved a lot of money! We live and learn. Lol - MJ
Great video. If you buy a new Rv and U get water or damage and dealer will not help U. Lawyer free of charge will take dealer to court and will have to buy back ur rv. Its the law called buy back.
Thanks for sharing.
Izzy
Pulled the trigger on a used 2020 Winnebago Outlook 22c - only 4,000 miles - great price - feeling lucky??? We will soon find out - after months of research we feel lucky we found one near us!
Best of luck! :) - MJ
One little note on trading in vs selling privately. I'm not a current Rv'er, just exploring the idea, however I would assume Rvs are just like cars, you pay sales tax based on net sale. If you are buying a 100k unit and they are giving you 20k on your trade, your sales tax is based on 80k. If you decide to sell yourself, your sales tax is based on 100k. So now you need to subtract the additional taxes you paid from the additional you received from your private sales. Add in hassle, decide if you actually did better.
Thanks for your input. 👍
First RV, we're totally going to have the inspection done, even though we already bought it. It's 20 years old!
Yes, VERY smart. Good luck! - MJ
Just “discovered” you two and we and the wife are on planning on purchasing our first RV AFTER the vaccination becomes more available to the mainstream. Your videos are absolutely wonderful and informative. Thank you for committing to these...will certainly be applying your tips!
So happy you're here and I'm glad they help! Thanks for watching. :) - MJ
We are exploring the RV possibility. A great useful vid.
Glad it was helpful!
Great tips and super helpful . Wish we knew good tips like this a couple months ago . We bought our first RV and didn’t know much when we did . I was angry with those dealer prep fees and bull crap delivery fees . Tried but couldn’t negotiate much . Mainly cause I bought in this high demand market . The salesman said if you don’t want it we will sell it to someone else today . It was the last one left in the lot . They had five new motor homes on that Monday and by the time we could get there on Thursday only one left . Did get talked into extended warranty and do regret that extra 7k . But live and learn . Going try to pay off in five years to minimize the interest . Next time I wouldn’t go to camping world and I would buy from a smaller local dealer
Thanks for a great video
Yep these are unprecedented times and they were playing on the demand factor to get you to move on it. But you have it now, so enjoy it! - MJ
Endless RVing
yes heading to Maine on Thursday from Long Island. Definitely enjoying .
Phillip Gallanti excellent. Have a great trip. 👍
Endless RVing thank you
OMG! Not Camping World. Heard so many horror stories. We dodged that bullet, caught another though. So important as this video points out to pick the right dealer. We have had enough problems with the dealer we bought from. Having to wait 2 weeks to get our recall and warranty work started. No phone calls back. Had to demand a manager. Then one weekend out and more electrical problems. Back in the shop again. We bought ours in February.
Thanks again guys. Love how your videos have a purpose that benefits us viewers.
That’s our goal. Thanks for watching Richard. 👍 - MJ
One of the things that you forgot to mention is the trade value is applied against the total balance before you pay taxes. So a person will want to look at what trade in value they were given and understand the differences between sales tax for the total sale vs. Sales tax for the total amount less a trade-in because that value especially on high
dollar items can be pretty extensive
Yes thanks for sharing.
Izzy
Great tips. I know what I don’t want but I am still deciding what exactly I want in my first rv. Great tips!!
Hopefully these tips will help you save some $! Good luck. - MJ
Also the best way to know about a vehicle is to talk to the people who work on them.
We agree. Thanks for sharing
Izzy
All very good tips just wish I had seen this video before my wife and I made most of those mistakes. My theory though is with cars, or RVs is no matter how good a deal you get, and it may be great ,you still got the shaft. Before I retired I had a very dedicated Christian lady in my carpool who quit her job at a car dealership because she could not stand to see the way they stole from and cheated their customers.
I hear ya. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Wayne. :) - MJ
I was married to an used car salesman- how he slept at night I’ll never know
Years ago, I was considering buying stock in a known RV maker business. After hearing all of the “imperfections” and how RVs are made and problems that RVs have, I am glad I did not buy stock in any of those companies.
I am pleased to learn that cargo vans are much better choices and have decided to target used Ford Transits in my search. I have had it suggested to me to consider an already converted van to cut down on the costs of building the interior.
My question now, is, how can you tell how well the interior is prepared and insulated, wired , plumbed and free of rust?
Factory tour will answer a lot of your questions.
Izzy
I have an infrared camera ( like the kind they used to find the Boston bomber. He showed his body heat as red and white while hiding under a boat) while I purchased it to detect problem areas in horses we were also taught that it shows insulation and i.perfections in the walls, floors, ceiling etc. I have never tried it for that application. I will take that along with me when I go to purchase.
Excellent video on buying from a dealership. Still researching here but I will replay this and write down notes for when we are ready to buy. 👍
Glad it was helpful!
My choice was new and not used and the Lance 2375 with factory installed upgrades was a no-brainer. Quality of Brand was the difference.
Great to hear Jim thanks for sharing.
Izzy
We are first time buyers. We are looking to buy a tt. This was great information! Thankyou!
Glad it was helpful! Good luck! - MJ
Hi this is the second video of yours my husband and I have watched and we want to thank you for being there for the consumers. In 2021 or 2022 we want to buy our first RV. It’s scary out there of what, how to do things, especially in our late 50s & early 60s. Thank so very much for helping us out. We will watch all your videos. 👍🇨🇦
Happy to help. :) - MJ
Amazing sound advice! Thank you both for your honesty and sharing your knowledge and experiences to help others have realistic expectations.
Absolutely. It’s our pleasure! Thanks for checking it out. - MJ
I really appreciate your no nonsense, objective insight that you provide from actual experience! I have a pop-up camper right now, but my goal is to upgrade eventually. Your advice reaffirms my reluctance to settle for a substandard RV.
Thanks for watching. 👍
I bought an RV several years ago and had the exact situation happen as described in this video. the sealant around the roof was not completed thoroughly. We had severe rot in the roof and side walls. For this reason I said I would never buy another RV ! This video helps. I MIGHT ??
They should be inspected both new and used prior to purchase. Thanks for sharing.
Very helpful video! Being a first-time buyer, I'm a little nervous now -- so much to worry about! But I really appreciate the wisdom you've shared from your experiences.
At least you know what you are getting into. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
GREAT video, first bought new, 2nd bought from individual. First dealer same manuf would do nothing to help on second bought from individual, but they were not that helpful/responsive anyway :)
Thanks for sharing - glad you enjoyed the video. 👍 - MJ
Outstanding video, thanks for all the tips. Izzy, have and MJ ever thought of doing factory tours, you two have a lot of viewers, and I am sure, like me, we enjoy your honest opinions on the factory’s.
We have done several factory tours however many do not allow filming. We have many factories left to tour!!
Thanks for watching William.
Great information. As usual you're spot on. Wish I watched this 5 yrs ago before I purchased mine but I still did ok. Keep up the good work.
Thank you Hal.
Gave you a thumbs up and havent even watched the entire video.Ive watched a lot of videos and you put a lot of information,it would take 3 videos combined to equal this one
Thanks!
Few days ago, I went to a dealer they told me $150,000 if I pay cash and $120,000 if I finance. I did ran away!!!!! Thanks
Finance it with a Huge down payment and then pay it off in your first month. You just saved 30,000
@@EndlessRVing waoo, I didn't think about that. THANKS 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Wow, this video is what I needed! I wish you could have made a car dealership video like this 6yrs ago, we were swaddled like a baby and got everything thing you just said we didn't need, bells and whistles for just in case items, wheel rims damage, leather seat damage etc. We were in way over our heads on just a family vehicle and listening to the sales mbr explain exactly why we needed that coverage, we had young kids that were slightly less careful than we wanted them to be..it was a payment almost as much as a mortgage payment and would actually eat one of my full paychecks, but hey it was pretty and new and had heated seats and they said I looked gooood driving it🤔🤫🤷♀️ well, in a few years I had changed jobs and finally was jobless due to circumstances and yep, you guessed it, falling behind on payments means they might want it back. So thank you so much for this video, even thought the focus is for an RV, the lesson is the same. I learned a trick from a famous well known motivational speaker and coach, Lisa Nichols, set an amount of money that you intend to spend and what type of vehicle you want and what features you want it to have. Picture yourself walking into the dealership and asking for the manager, tell them exactly what you are looking for and how much you are going to spend, within that amount would be all taxes and insurance and any warranty fees etc. Now of course they will try to convince you that all of those specs would have to be added to the price that they couldn't possibly give such a price with everything already included. Now this is where you prove them wrong because you did your homework. You had called a few dealerships that carried the vehicle that you were looking for and you asked for the manager, you got to know him/her and you now have power on your side. So when you go into the dealership where you want to make your pool purchase from, if (when) they say that it is impossible to get everything you are asking, you remind them that if they can not do the deal, you will go down the street and make the deal with "Bob", you know Bob, well he said he could do that for me, but I really want to give you my business. And sure enough Lisa got her car and everything that she asked for, for the price she wanted and paid cash and went on her way. Now I have to add my story, while looking for a new car to replace the one I lost💔💔😥😪, we were looking around the lot and as usual a salesman was trying to steer me towards what they wanted to sell, not what I was looking for. Of course they tried to be friendly and invite you inside the office for coffee or water to talk about options, when I clearly said I was jus TV looking right now to see what was available. Guess what they wanted to do?🤔run my credit, well fill out an application for future use. Well to my surprise I said no, not now, I'm just looking. They pleaded but I actually stayed strong on my no and the look on the office girl tha was going to fill out the application was priceless 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼! Did it, I said no and we walked out the door feeling pretty powerful. I still haven't found the vehicle I want yet, but I know how to get it done when I am ready!😉😉 so thank you again for the reminder we all need, to be wary and do some research, be knowledgeable and stand firm or walk away.
Thanks for sharing. Here is a quick funny story with our last vehicle purchase. The finance guy was trying to tell me how complicated new vehicles are and I really should buy the extended warranty because all the potential problems the vehicle may have. When he was done I told him I may have to reassess my purchase because I was now concerned of all the problems the vehicle might have. Needless to say he dropped the extended warranty nonsense lol.
I actually have fun at car dealerships when the sales person is a snake. It can be entertaining making them feel uncomfortable
Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
Bought my first one two years ago. From a dealer. Got a good base price but I got nailed in the finance department with over-inflated warranty and junk fees. I thought I did good because of the base price. End result was just okay. Planning to buy my next one early next year after the market settles out some
Yep those add on items will get you. Thanks for sharing.
Izzy
great video... on first mh , a coachmen, from large mid georgia dealer... we bought the tire warranty... later found out that dealer , cancelled it a few weeks after sale!! and did not tell us... they kept the $$ and there were some initial things that were wrong. dealer promised to fix them before final sale. didn't. so we left. went back, dealer still hadn't fixed... at closing table at bottom line, i said deduct 1000. for unrepaired items... they got upset. showed out.. i told them that when repairs made, we'd pay the extra 1000. they never completed repairs... by cj
Wow, good move on your part. 👍 - MJ
Even a Year Later this Video was very informative… Thanks Izzy & MJ #EndlessRVingRocks
Appreciate your watching all the vids William! :)
Thank you for this information. I appreciate both of you.
Our pleasure!
So much useful information for first time RV buyers. Thank you.
Thank you Michael.
Izzy
Thank you! Really helpful info. I've finally found my "sweet spot" 35 foot toyhauler 5th (1 to 3 years old). This is other peoples sweet spot too because when ever I find one it sells pretty quickly. Then I have to decide if i'm going to drive 600 to 800 miles to get it. I had one here in fort worth but it sold too fast. I thought after labor day things would slow down.
Good luck in finding one. Thanks for watching! - MJ
I'm buying next year. Thank you for the great advice
2nd purchase of lance TT. I use third party surveyor to purchase used boats. If I want the boat I offer asking price then have survey and then the negotiation process really begins.
Thanks for sharing Tracy!
we never planned on one - but after visiting a friends camp site - i bought one within 3 hours and with a small rv sales center they talked me out of a new one and got us into a used one with a great deal - they even brought it to the seasonal site and set it up for us
Great advice, guys. I hope to be in the buying process sometime in the future.
Excellent. Good luck - hope this info will help you when you go! - MJ
So do I
I am a new buyer. I know nothing, so this was really helpful. Thank you!
I know what I want but not sure about all of the above questions. You’ve answered a few of my questions. Prices have shot up so it will be a little longer before I make a purchase. I followed RVTRADER and a few other ones but I’d prefer to buy from an individual. You mentioned a dealer may not work on an rv if it wasn’t purchased from them. What good is that if you are traveling for months out of the year?
I’ll keep watching & thanks again.
Randy.
You are right if you are traveling if may become an issue if you break down. You
may have to go to an RV repair center which are usually better than dealers from our experience. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing I haven't heard of an RV Repair Center. I would much prefer them over a Dealership.
Thank you very much. I just learned something else.
Remember also, some dealerships have 2 blue books that don't show same values.
Good info, appreciate you both sharing your knowledge. Good to know that dealers are not obligated to service RV's not bought from them even if they are authorized dealers of that manufacturer. I live in the Northeast U.S. and seems like there is much more inventory and better pricing in Florida, however if it may not be serviceable in my area it may not be the route to go dealers are about 1-2 hours from here (NY Metro burbs) as it is 👍🏽
Thanks for watching. :) - MJ
Hey neighbor, I'm originally from Queens, Howard Beach to be exact but actually moved west from Suffolk county.
Let me tell you the quick bottom line. Go to an RV show, bigger the better to find out what you want in person! Then Shop on line, make dealers compete against each other. I drove 14 hours one way to get my RV a few years ago, but saved over $5,000 on my purchase, not sure what your time is worth, but $5,000 is for sure worth 2 days of my life!
Thank you, great video; lots of good info presented well. I had already thought about 3rd party inspection, nice to have you affirm this idea. Haven’t owned rv yet, gathering info.
Do you home work and take your time. Thanks for watching and good luck on your search.
Izzy
Excellent video -Thank you for helping to protect the consumer !
Hey Gus thanks for watching. Some RV dealers may not be happy with us but umm...
Izzy
Great points. I found the best price on a Rockwood Roo 235s from a dealer 6 miles from the factory in Indiana. It's a 10hr drive from our home near Philadelphia. I will check to make sure the local Rockwood dealers will service it. I'm not sure how they can refuse if they carry the brand. Thanks for the heads up.
Certainly check if they will service. They may not refuse but you may go to the back of the line and that line can be weeks or months long. We know from experience. Congrats on your purchase.
Izzy
Listened and I get it. Thanks for your time to help make people aware.....👍🇺🇸😎
Glad to help!
Another great video packed full of useful advice. 👍👍
Happy to help. Thanks Rick as always! - MJ
Great info! I wish I’d heard this before our last trade! Thanks for being so helpful to others.
Hi Mike thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
Excellent video. Clear and hit all the key details. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for watching it Bob. 👍 - MJ