The cheapest RV and vehicle out there is the one you own free and clear. That applies to everything you own. Take care of your stuff, and you will save thousands. 👍
@@jimsteinway695 New buyer as in a buyer who is not even a year old, a buyer who is just now purchasing their first RV, or a buyer who is looking to purchase an RV which is brand new this year? If the latter, then they need to realize that purchasing a brand new RV is probably the stupidest life decision they could ever make.
@@basketballjones6782 Not unless you have a plan and a place to go to. We go to the desert and mountains where there are no other options for lodging. My RV stays in a home shop, so maintenance is minimal. One month out of the year I cut firewood about an hour away from my house. We leave the trailer up in the mountains and haul wood down with a base camp to stay at while cutting. I also hunt a few weeks out of the year using the trailer. Then we go to the desert to ride OHVs. I bought my trailer used in 2006 while it was one year old. If I didn't do those activities, no way would I have bought the trailer. Oh, in addition, we did tent camping for years before we had kids. Then we got our first trailer (1995 Dutchman) to see if we would use it (it was great). We were done tent camping and stepped up to the bigger more expensive trailer AFTER we realized how much a trailer worked for us.
@@jimsteinway695 it doesn't...what he is saying is "good luck to you for having a 15-20 year loan...years to come, your rig then will be worth nothing and you're still paying for it...
wow, an honest man with a review of the current RV industry. I wished that I would have found you prior to purchasing our Grand Design 2021 351m Momentum during covid. I thought that I knew a lot about RV's, especially the Grand Design line. "NOPE" the biggest dumb thing that I did was purchase a five year extended warrantee, NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT WAS WRITEN ON. Thanks for this video.
@@LisaLightning They do not honor the warranties. Right now, the 2022, 23, 24 are all having frame flex cracking issues. Do a simple search of this and as far as we can tell Brinkley is the only manufacture who has avoided this issue.
They don't honor it. The extended warranty is through a 3rd party, and they have many hoops to jump through, to the point it's not worth it. Save your money. What I did, I bought a 5th wheel in March, and did a huge trip May through July, and came back with a huge list of repairs that the 1 year manufacturer warranty took care of, provided we were willing to leave our rig for 6months plus, which we were ok with. Bottom line, the 1 year manufacturer warranty is the only benefit of buying new, which many may argue then the difference between new and used is not worth it. Just my opinion..
the industry suckered many buyers saying "buying an RV you can escape the covid and travel"...i bet now many realize they are stuck with a 12-20 year loan...so many people being laid off, the economy, the gas etc. and it's all just starting...
When I started this video, I thought, "I am going to waist 31 minutes of my life on this click-bait". Well, I hung in there. I want to apologize for pre-judging. Good video with valuable content. Have a great day!!!
My husband wants a 21ft outdoor but we have a perfectly good paid for travel trailer that we use 3 to 4 weeks a year. Not going into debt for anything in this economy, especially for a toy
I bought a new 21' off-road, with a slide-out travel trailer in July 2022. She's a 2022 model, with upgraded 24V full solar powered....totally off-grid. I bought a huge portable RV septic to empty my black & gray tanks into, then hook the portable septic up to my Expedition to take and dump at my local dump stations. I bought my RV in northern Utah from an honest dealer, who informed me about what is really going on. He said that by 2026, the government would make it impossible to buy RVs. Reason: Millions of Americans have walked away from mortgages and rents that they could no longer afford. Those Americans bought RVs to live in full-time. Banks and rental owners have lost billions of dollars because of this phenomenon. Thus, States are now making it near impossible for RVers to overnight park at rest areas, Wal-Mart, etc., and BLM lands are becoming "no overnight stays" when we could stay 14 days to whenever. Even dump stations are becoming governmentalized and restrictive. 2023, 2024, and up RVs, will be more & more stripped with NO SOLAR POWER AVAILABLE as China and Taiwan are the producers of electrical, computers, and all digital technology suppliers to American RV manufacturing. Therefore, RV manufacturers will need to take used RV parts and put them into new RVs to sustain upgrades. Government hates us middle class, as they want us to be enslaved to the government. With RVs.....government cannot control RVers. Obama/Biden have been using George Soros money since 1994.....and still use it to overthrow the American government and our Constitutional Rights. That's why Obama's "brown army," that he spoke of, have been invading America in droves. They are here to destroy the white, Christian, patriotic Americans who Obama fears.....as we ARE the ones willing to fight for our freedoms.....and our rights. It may sound like a conspiracy theory.....I wish it was....but, when you have RV dealers telling truths about what is really going on.....THAT IS FRIGHTENING. So....I'm thankful I bought my RV in 2022. Because with God, through Jesus Christ.....I have everything, including my portable home.😊
In my experience most manufacturers and dealers lie like politicians. I no longer have an rv. I want one but refuse to buy the crap coming out of the industry.
So buy an old one and renovate it. It's shocking how much room there is for "secret safes" and other cool things you can do. It's also shocking to see how crappy and assembly line these things are made. It's surprising they aren't falling apart all over the roads.
I feel the same way. I love the true off road trailers built to last and to be on the road . Like the MDC. High quality . They are truly built to be on the road and off road.
Just purchased a 2024 pickup. First new vehicle and loan on a vehicle in my 80 years. Credit score of 835. Yet best interest rate I could get was 8% with 10% down. Now I better understand why. Thanks for your straightforward explanations.
@@HBRVLifestyle, That 835 credit score is rarely what it appears to be. Banks, credit unions, mortgage companies.., all have their own algorithms, and 835 to to a credit union is probably a 725 to Bank Of America.
Wait a sec, is hate to inform you but you got ripped off with 8% interest rate. I’m 45 with a 720-740 credit score, bought new gmc 1500 at4 truck, financed through gm financial at 4.9%. I don’t want to be rude but there isn’t a financial institution that wants to finance to an 80 year old, the odds are against you making it till end of term of your loan. I wasn’t trying to be rude but the rates were varying from 4-6% at time of your purchase, the big banks were actually cheaper than credit unions.
I paid cash for my '21, I had no choice...my credit was bad because I HAD NO credit, because I had no loans or debt. I've since fixed my credit but I still will not finance anything. Even with good credit I will still only pay cash. No payment is ten times better than ANY reason to finance! As for parent companies, even though Forest River gets a bad rap, Flagstaff/Rockwood are superior quality in my experience (on my 4th Flagstaff). My '21 529RBS has been flawless! And it was a 'Covid build' custom order, paid $51K, MSRP was $63K. Great video man, thanks. First time seeing your channel, subscribed.
First thank you. Now after watching your video and the undercover RV Tech, I am questioning wether or not to make the investment on a RV. I like both Rockwood couple camper models and the new Brinkley model Z air 285.....but things are more complicated than maybe it's worth.
I can understand your feeling. Forrest River Rockwood is a very good product between that and the Flagstaff I have always had really good luck with people that have bought them. the only thing I can say about Brinkley is do your homework about the owners, and what they have done in the past before you buy one
We waited until after Covid due to poor craftsmanship due to missing skilled labor. Then we looked prior to Covid and found a 2018 Arctic Fox 28 ft. The seller had it for 10 months and needed a quick sale. From his sales paperwork he paid $48,000 and we got it for $38,000. The woodwork inside was in like new condition as was the rest of the trailer. We are not new to rv life but this has everything we would need.
Stay away from Grand Design. I had a new 2019 in 2018 and it was a flop. Nonstop problem after problems and their customer service was worthless. I sold it 3 years later and got a new Newmar, London Aire. I will never touch a Grand Design from experience. They have major frame flex failures and refuse to help owners.
They have realized that error when sales… died. But yes, at first they blamed Lippert, and Lippert blamed GD for ordering frames not meant to haul that units weight. What got me was it was multiple vendors and manufacturers, all with one common denominator… Lippert.
I always tell my family that you must be willing to walk away from any deal. I had a good laugh at the Seattle RV show. One dealer was selling Cardinal fifth wheels for 98k as a special (no solar, no leveling system, 12' cubic fridge, screws falling out of some areas inside, etc...) and then one dealer selling a Durango GOLD for 99k and it had everything (even a residential dish washer). The sales guy for the Cardinal had no words. I honestly felt that was a rip-off! You're totally right, RV users are smart!
I am in the process to buy 2023 FK 26 white hawk. During the walkthrough inspection I noticed , shower glass door was off track needed to replace. Waiting for a new one. I fallow your advice even know I was ready to pay cash , I got better deal with the dealer and I have room to negotiate. Thank you for your honesty and knowledge.
I tend to skip over the videos where people are talking, but...what led me to watch this video in its entirety were the comments about how the industry works (i.e. incentivization for managers, qualifying for loans, fico score tiers, etc.). I found it interesting. Now so many other videos of people sharing their complaints about the rv industry make more sense.
I bought a new 21' off-road, with a slide-out travel trailer in July 2022. She's a 2022 model, with upgraded 24V full solar powered....totally off-grid. I bought a huge portable RV septic to empty my black & gray tanks into, then hook the portable septic up to my Expedition to take and dump at my local dump stations. I bought my RV in northern Utah from an honest dealer, who informed me about what is really going on. He said that by 2026, the government would make it impossible to buy RVs. Reason: Millions of Americans have walked away from mortgages and rents that they could no longer afford. Those Americans bought RVs to live in full-time. Banks and rental owners have lost billions of dollars because of this phenomenon. Thus, States are now making it near impossible for RVers to overnight park at rest areas, Wal-Mart, etc., and BLM lands are becoming "no overnight stays" when we could stay 14 days to whenever. Even dump stations are becoming governmentalized and restrictive. 2023, 2024, and up RVs, will be more & more stripped with NO SOLAR POWER AVAILABLE as China and Taiwan are the producers of electrical, computers, and all digital technology suppliers to American RV manufacturing. Therefore, RV manufacturers will need to take used RV parts and put them into new RVs to sustain upgrades. Government hates us middle class, as they want us to be enslaved to the government. With RVs.....government cannot control RVers. Obama/Biden have been using George Soros money since 1994.....and still use it to overthrow the American government and our Constitutional Rights. That's why Obama's "brown army," that he spoke of, have been invading America in droves. They are here to destroy the white, Christian, patriotic Americans who Obama fears.....as we ARE the ones willing to fight for our freedoms.....and our rights. It may sound like a conspiracy theory.....I wish it was....but, when you have RV dealers telling truths about what is really going on.....THAT IS FRIGHTENING. So....I'm thankful I bought my RV in 2022. Because with God, through Jesus Christ.....I have everything, including my portable home.😊
Thanks for the info, I found it extremely useful and interesting, especially about having a great credit score but not working vs working and lower score. That was something I won't forget. Thanks for your information 👍
I picked up a 2017 Grey Wolf 23DBH for $14k cash back in 2020. The prices of RV's are almost as bad as new pickups. No thankyou on financing either at this point. My truck is paid off and my camper works great. That said, it's still about $500-$1,000 per year to get it serviced, caulk resealed, winterized etc.. so it's still a cost no matter how you slice it guys. Once the kids outgrow it, I'll sell it and we will shift to airB&B or rent one for a week on Outdoorsy. Owning and RV is kinda like owning a boat.
What about going to RV factories and ordering an RV the way you want it? Example; Removing windows, adding new windows, changing air conditioners, putting in extra cabinets, etc. Are we able to go to factories and get poplar RVs rebuilt the way we want them?
This is one of the best informative and realistic description of the current RV market issues. You helped me a lot as I am planning to trade my class B at the Florida RV show next wk . First time viewer will keep an eye out for your videos.Thank you
I bought a new 21' off-road, with a slide-out travel trailer in July 2022. She's a 2022 model, with upgraded 24V full solar powered....totally off-grid. I bought a huge portable RV septic to empty my black & gray tanks into, then hook the portable septic up to my Expedition to take and dump at my local dump stations. I bought my RV in northern Utah from an honest dealer, who informed me about what is really going on. He said that by 2026, the government would make it impossible to buy RVs. Reason: Millions of Americans have walked away from mortgages and rents that they could no longer afford. Those Americans bought RVs to live in full-time. Banks and rental owners have lost billions of dollars because of this phenomenon. Thus, States are now making it near impossible for RVers to overnight park at rest areas, Wal-Mart, etc., and BLM lands are becoming "no overnight stays" when we could stay 14 days to whenever. Even dump stations are becoming governmentalized and restrictive. 2023, 2024, and up RVs, will be more & more stripped with NO SOLAR POWER AVAILABLE as China and Taiwan are the producers of electrical, computers, and all digital technology suppliers to American RV manufacturing. Therefore, RV manufacturers will need to take used RV parts and put them into new RVs to sustain upgrades. Government hates us middle class, as they want us to be enslaved to the government. With RVs.....government cannot control RVers. Obama/Biden have been using George Soros money since 1994.....and still use it to overthrow the American government and our Constitutional Rights. That's why Obama's "brown army," that he spoke of, have been invading America in droves. They are here to destroy the white, Christian, patriotic Americans who Obama fears.....as we ARE the ones willing to fight for our freedoms.....and our rights. It may sound like a conspiracy theory.....I wish it was....but, when you have RV dealers telling truths about what is really going on.....THAT IS FRIGHTENING. So....I'm thankful I bought my RV in 2022. Because with God, through Jesus Christ.....I have everything, including my portable home.😊
Most all these type (explanatory, instructional, expert advisory) videos are filled with fodder in order to make the video longer and inturn generate more advertisement revenue. Annoying & aggravating for sure.
My RV was made by Dutchman and the quality was unbelievably poor. They all cut corners and use cheaper materials to try to increase profits. It's literally not worth buying an RV now because of rapid depreciation and rapid deterioration due to poor quality.
I bought a new 21' off-road, with a slide-out travel trailer in July 2022. She's a 2022 model, with upgraded 24V full solar powered....totally off-grid. I bought a huge portable RV septic to empty my black & gray tanks into, then hook the portable septic up to my Expedition to take and dump at my local dump stations. I bought my RV in northern Utah from an honest dealer, who informed me about what is really going on. He said that by 2026, the government would make it impossible to buy RVs. Reason: Millions of Americans have walked away from mortgages and rents that they could no longer afford. Those Americans bought RVs to live in full-time. Banks and rental owners have lost billions of dollars because of this phenomenon. Thus, States are now making it near impossible for RVers to overnight park at rest areas, Wal-Mart, etc., and BLM lands are becoming "no overnight stays" when we could stay 14 days to whenever. Even dump stations are becoming governmentalized and restrictive. 2023, 2024, and up RVs, will be more & more stripped with NO SOLAR POWER AVAILABLE as China and Taiwan are the producers of electrical, computers, and all digital technology suppliers to American RV manufacturing. Therefore, RV manufacturers will need to take used RV parts and put them into new RVs to sustain upgrades. Government hates us middle class, as they want us to be enslaved to the government. With RVs.....government cannot control RVers. Obama/Biden have been using George Soros money since 1994.....and still use it to overthrow the American government and our Constitutional Rights. That's why Obama's "brown army," that he spoke of, have been invading America in droves. They are here to destroy the white, Christian, patriotic Americans who Obama fears.....as we ARE the ones willing to fight for our freedoms.....and our rights. It may sound like a conspiracy theory.....I wish it was....but, when you have RV dealers telling truths about what is really going on.....THAT IS FRIGHTENING. So....I'm thankful I bought my RV in 2022. Because with God, through Jesus Christ.....I have everything, including my portable home.😊
@DianeHasHopeInChrist Your RV dealer is an absolute conspiracy theorist and probably a die hard Trump maga republican. Anyone who thinks that democrats want to destroy this country is gullible and delusional beyond belief. RV dealers are just as greedy and just as big liars as car dealers.
Your spot on my friend on financing and banks adding crap on. Finally sold our fuzion 2016 422 for 68k to a private party currently looking to get into a new 2023 or 2024 cannot believe the prices now compared to covid. Great time to buy.
Buying an RV is like taking your Mother in law to Disneyland. Quite exciting when you walk through the entrance gate, and then at the end of the day you can't stand each other.
Finally someone with common sense speaks. Dealing with any kind of sales person who makes their living on commission and commission only is always an unpleasent experience. RV, car, motorcycle,...it doesn't make any difference 👈🏾
I bought a new 21' off-road, with a slide-out travel trailer in July 2022. She's a 2022 model, with upgraded 24V full solar powered....totally off-grid. I bought a huge portable RV septic to empty my black & gray tanks into, then hook the portable septic up to my Expedition to take and dump at my local dump stations. I bought my RV in northern Utah from an honest dealer, who informed me about what is really going on. He said that by 2026, the government would make it impossible to buy RVs. Reason: Millions of Americans have walked away from mortgages and rents that they could no longer afford. Those Americans bought RVs to live in full-time. Banks and rental owners have lost billions of dollars because of this phenomenon. Thus, States are now making it near impossible for RVers to overnight park at rest areas, Wal-Mart, etc., and BLM lands are becoming "no overnight stays" when we could stay 14 days to whenever. Even dump stations are becoming governmentalized and restrictive. 2023, 2024, and up RVs, will be more & more stripped with NO SOLAR POWER AVAILABLE as China and Taiwan are the producers of electrical, computers, and all digital technology suppliers to American RV manufacturing. Therefore, RV manufacturers will need to take used RV parts and put them into new RVs to sustain upgrades. Government hates us middle class, as they want us to be enslaved to the government. With RVs.....government cannot control RVers. Obama/Biden have been using George Soros money since 1994.....and still use it to overthrow the American government and our Constitutional Rights. That's why Obama's "brown army," that he spoke of, have been invading America in droves. They are here to destroy the white, Christian, patriotic Americans who Obama fears.....as we ARE the ones willing to fight for our freedoms.....and our rights. It may sound like a conspiracy theory.....I wish it was....but, when you have RV dealers telling truths about what is really going on.....THAT IS FRIGHTENING. So....I'm thankful I bought my RV in 2022. Because with God, through Jesus Christ.....I have everything, including my portable home.😊
Hello sister in Christ! My wife and I have been full-time rv dwellers for 6 years and counting and i do feel a heavy atmosphere at times. But with my faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, He always removes the heaviness of my heart and gives me peace, hope, and re-assurance that He is always near and will always be in control as we put our trust and hope in Him alone. Will you provide me a hint or any information to the dealership in Utah that help you. We are ready to replace our rig for six years as we need more carrying capacity as full-timers. Truly appreciate it and may the good Lord guide and keep you always. Take care.@@DianeHasHopeInChrist
Wow! This is such a great wealth of information. Thank you for sharing with everyone. We want to get a Solitude and have it narrowed down to two. Our problem of buying off the lot, is we want dual pane windows and a generator on board. Wished we could find that on a lot.
Awesome. Go to your local Grand Design dealer and put the order in. It will take 9-12 weeks plus shipping time to get there. One thing you must know though. Dual pane windows in RV is not the same thing as your house. if you’re doing this for insulation purposes, it won’t help much. if you’re doing it for noise purposes, it will help a little
We purchased a Brinkley Model Z 3610 in December. Salesman said that prices were going to go up in 24. Im happy that you are reflecting that sentiment. We fully optioned it and the options were basically free with dealer incentives.
TY. I'm on SSDI (near minimum benefit) alone, and about to lose my free room with utilities of the last decade when my friends sell the house and move to another state, the process of which has already begun. I haven't replaced my car that died shortly before Covid. So, I have been doing a ton of research, and I've wanted to hit the road for decades, before it became more than trendy, and I'm leaning heavily on getting the vehicle-especially since . While trendy means there are tons of anecdotes and videos to read and watch, it also means the costs in the lifestyle(s) have skyrocketed. And the one thing nobody ever covers is how to acquire vehicles in the first place. If you already have good money you can just pull out of the bank, yay you. What's happened is a severe bifurcation of vehicle-living lifestyles, between those that have to, or prefer it over the alternatives, and those that could choose however they want to live and money is no object. The latter has done to the vehicle markets what they'd already done to housing. So, all that blah blah, just to thank you for at least giving us some of the skinny on financing and debt in the RV industries. Personally, I'm good for my money. I stay within my means and know how to budget. Though it does leave me at the mercy of surprise expenses, debt gets paid immediately after I do, and I avoid accumulating it as much as possible.
Just purchased a new Forest River Flagstaff Micro Lite model# 21FBRS listed over $42k no factory options added. Just the standard in Southeast Michigan our cash price with an additional battery was $32K OTD. We take delivery March 7 2024.
Appreciate the info. Last year, I got a '99 Montana for $3300. Knowing what I know now, I'd have passed on it. I'll know bette now when I go to get my next one. Fortunately, I'm stationary for a while. 😂
Have to jump in here. When a dealer (op) tries to steer you away from paying cash, that’s a flag to me anyway. Cash vs 10% interest rate, as if you could bargain cost down 10% just because you are financing is not a great idea. And that 10% rate is every year. And those loans are front loaded so that you pay little principal at first, mostly interest. That’s why banks pay kickbacks to dealers, they are just losing a small amount. Ask for the amortization schedule showing the loan, and every month for the full term showing exact amounts going to interest and principal. Then do the math vs cash price. Most dealers will try to get every penny they can. Treat the finance transaction completely separate from the purchase price. They are different transactions, no matter what others say. NEVER TELL A DEALER YOU ARE PAYING CASH, until price is agreed on OTD. Out the door price. Always say you you’ll talk about financing after a price is agreed upon. And if a dealer refuses to do this. You need to find a different dealer. Period. You have to walk away. It’s your money, and your responsibility to manage it. It’s a business decision, nothing personal. Now, let’s say you plan to payoff the loan after immediately financing. You better make sure to read the contract to show whether it has prepayment penalties or not. You may be able to play this card. But doubtful you will come out ahead if you carry that loan 12 months or more. Good video, and thanks for a lot of useful information. 😀
Keep in mind RV dealers like Auto dealers get cash back for sending loans their way. Literally giving the dealership $200+ for every loan. The dealerships therefore pressure their finance guys to encourage financing. It’s just life. 😊
Thought you were going to be using the " OK " alot less in this video. Just 23 times. Bout average. Your risking a career telling the truth about the industry. Gald you do. Thanks for being a stand-up guy. Kudos.
Hello, just came across your channel and I did subscribe. My past life I worked in transportation and logistics. I now teach logistics at a local college so I would like to add some food for thought on your winter warranty and parts issues piece. In addition to your insights from a manufacturer and dealer perspective here is some more. There is a yearly cycle to transportation (a.k.a "trucking"). Covid was an anomaly. The supply chain has healed itself, for the most part and is retracting in some areas, don't believe any other BS. We are back to what is called a spot market where shippers call out for "spot quotes" on moving product. This is basically trucking companies quoting against each other. Yes, that is normal, but when freight softens as it is right now, the decision to keep trucks moving and pay the bills vs. parking a truck becomes a hard reality. This ties into your warranty work. Every year post thanksgiving and Christmas the buyers of goods, you, and me the consumer are normally tapped out of cash or not in the mood to spend more. The world of logistics normally works on a 3-6-month delay depending on where the parts are in the world. Your Christmas gifts were ordered by the stores in July. So once the trucks have moved it to a warehouse, held it, then moved it to a store "in the back" to the store shelf trucking slows down. So, the pricing starts to drop. Your warranty work is 100% cost to the manufacturer. So, they want to get the lowest price as possible to move those parts to the dealership. They may spot quote trucking companies and carriers to get the lowest price to move the part. The customer becomes the pawn in a logistics and cost game during the slow time of trucking post thanksgiving and Christmas. This is a big picture game. The suppliers of parts play it with the subassembly companies and component assemblers as well. As with the RV dealerships, truck drivers take vacation as well and many companies are happy when those vacations fall in January and February. Its all tied together. Cheers, good channel.
After watching your video I need to buy new and get my dealership market first and and use my own financing I could walk away if my algorithm is off with the company that i would purchase from and I’m a first time buyer! You basically said that I should not purchase anything used and you made a very valid point that they are selling last years product for the 2024 price I might as well purchase new!❤
We purchased new last year (22) as the covid craziness was still in full swing but there were signs it was starting to wane. We got exactly what we wanted, paid around 5% below MSRP. Quality was excellent and post sales support from dealer has been great. Paid cash so do not care what current value of unit is.
I bought a new 21' off-road, with a slide-out travel trailer in July 2022. She's a 2022 model, with upgraded 24V full solar powered....totally off-grid. I bought a huge portable RV septic to empty my black & gray tanks into, then hook the portable septic up to my Expedition to take and dump at my local dump stations. I bought my RV in northern Utah from an honest dealer, who informed me about what is really going on. He said that by 2026, the government would make it impossible to buy RVs. Reason: Millions of Americans have walked away from mortgages and rents that they could no longer afford. Those Americans bought RVs to live in full-time. Banks and rental owners have lost billions of dollars because of this phenomenon. Thus, States are now making it near impossible for RVers to overnight park at rest areas, Wal-Mart, etc., and BLM lands are becoming "no overnight stays" when we could stay 14 days to whenever. Even dump stations are becoming governmentalized and restrictive. 2023, 2024, and up RVs, will be more & more stripped with NO SOLAR POWER AVAILABLE as China and Taiwan are the producers of electrical, computers, and all digital technology suppliers to American RV manufacturing. Therefore, RV manufacturers will need to take used RV parts and put them into new RVs to sustain upgrades. Government hates us middle class, as they want us to be enslaved to the government. With RVs.....government cannot control RVers. Obama/Biden have been using George Soros money since 1994.....and still use it to overthrow the American government and our Constitutional Rights. That's why Obama's "brown army," that he spoke of, have been invading America in droves. They are here to destroy the white, Christian, patriotic Americans who Obama fears.....as we ARE the ones willing to fight for our freedoms.....and our rights. It may sound like a conspiracy theory.....I wish it was....but, when you have RV dealers telling truths about what is really going on.....THAT IS FRIGHTENING. So....I'm thankful I bought my RV in 2022. Because with God, through Jesus Christ.....I have everything, including my portable home.😊
I get it. Just keep in mind the difference figure between what your Jayco is worth and what new/newer ones are selling for is only going to widen. However if you are not ready, do not rush it. You will spend more money overall waiting. However if you are not ready, do not rush things.
We bought a 2022 Palomino Solaire 243HBS in November 2023. We paid in the high 20's. MSRP was listed at $43,500.00. We financed with the dealership in order to obtain the price they quoted. We also bought it on a Saturday which meant our credit union was closed. We signed the papers and they thought they had us hooked. However, we went directly to our credit union on Monday ( we inquired before purchase about an early payoff and found there wasn't any penalty) and refinanced it immediately. We also had an in with our credit union due to the fact that our daughter works there. We are both retired, but my husband has a consulting position with a company on an as needed basis which means they could still show him employed. We also have a credit score in the 800's.
We made a deposit on a new 2024 Thor Outlaw 29J, we had it inspected by a NRVIA INSPECTOR, we ran from the dealership and got our deposit back. I could not believe all the defects , some were safety issues, from the factory. Most RVs are junk and the repairs fall back on the customer because the factory warranty will say that the customer did not do the preventative maintenance. $850 saved me $120K , The is no reason that an RV cannot be inspected on the factory assembly line, the factories don’t have time for an assembly line inspection because of the mass production of junk!
This is not true. Not every RV is junk! I am sorry what happened to you and that is a great job getting an inspector out there. Happy you avoided a massive level problem. But every RV is not junk
The fact of the matter is everyone wants to pay nothing, They figure RV people are even more desperate than people with cars trying to unload them. they are Newmar Tiffin Very high and coaches are just sitting. they have to discount them to no profit Usually 200 to 250000 off And with interest rates or they are and fuel that's that's why I can make the assumptions that I make on a use coach
3:30. Fully agree. Go look at 2024 Cars or Harleys- ZERO Difference on 98% of all models. Its parent companies KNOWING they can get away with Inflation🌅
Totally agree with switches and steps. I actually really dislike the newer style steps. I do like the auto leveling in our class c, but not sure how much I would like it on a Travel Trailer.
I like your insight into the RV market. I worked in the truck business for 12 years and what you say makes sense. The dealers need to make money. If they are heavily discounting last years model or even the current model one way to make up the difference is financing. If you are a cash buyer, it does limit what the dealer is willing to do. We have been looking for a couple years and the market was crazy. We paid over sticker for a new 23 Toyota due to limited supply and a time crunch. (I have never paid over sticker, and will never again) Trailers were similar. We did have time and were willing to travel a bit so we found a small 2024 trailer for $4000 less than the local dealer was willing to go on a 23. As you said the used market was very high and not much less than new due to sellers overpaying during Covid and being buried in their rigs...Look forward to getting it out this spring. Will check out some of your other videos as well.
I’m with you when I bought my Ford ranger in 2021 they were doing that customer rodeo round up sticking the Covid excuse onto the price of things that were already on the lot and blaming it on the chip shortage. There’s no chip shortage on the ones in the lot, anyway they tried to get me for as much as $8000 over invoice would’ve paid $62,000 for Ranger patience paid off. Finally got mine for about 37,000 flat out got my own home loan from the credit union skews me car loan and waited until the last dayand they finally gave in but I got no perks like free oil changes and other free stuff. I just got it straight out and I have to pay for my oil changes.
we had bought our first travel trailer during the Covid years. We bought a 2022 East to West Della Terra. We realized very fast that what we bought was too small so we traded it in this fall and bought a brand new 2024 Forest River Cherokee 294GEBG We feel that the price was extremely good!
I wonder if the new Catalina vinyl wallpaper will stay attached to plywood for the next few years? They must have lost serious cash over this issue recently.
Just purchased a 2024 Salem FSX 178BHSK. Decent APR under 10% and well within my monthly price point . I had a specific request due to my tow vehicle so that one fit the bill.
"So everything is over priced and people are unreasonable" Just like all the dealers were/are for the last three years! Dealers get ready to kiss my shoes if you are even still in business... lol...
@@HBRVLifestyle Thank you for posting the truth that is a rare quality. Today everyone's got a game and they're playing well. I guess that's all they know is. Play that game
Build RVs like cargo trailers: Metal frame, metal walls, metal roof, metal skin. Won't leak or burn. At least not as easily. Oh, well.... talking to the wind. 95% of RVs are wood, plastic, fiberglass and rubber and leak and rot.
Powersports salesmen here, just about to go back to work after my 9 week slow season layoff. One of the best perks of my job, 9 weeks off to travel and have FUN! Some good advice here on this video.
Thank you, my friend. I love your video. Thank you for telling what's going on. I bought a brand you trailer 33 photo and guess what happened? I bought a cash and when I get Home. It was another state and went I was looking. I had a leak water leak ended. There was no way I can deal with the situation by fixing it. Because they were in another state they are crooked. That's what they this company selling trailers. Motor home day crook? Nothing but crook. I want to have one again. I don't know how am I gonna get one. Maybe private, but thank you so much for the information. They should be ashamed of themselves they think we're stupid we're not
I would locate a great quality pre 2018 camper and just get an inspection.. eat inspection cost. Depends on model year and manufacturer as to best quality. Buy from a private seller.
Thank you so much for this video! My girlfriend and I bought a 2002 5th wheel camper to live in full time for just under 12,000 cash two and half years ago and regretting it so much! We’ve put so much money into this camper and want out. We are now looking at a Jayco Eagle 332CBOK and found one locally listed for 55,000 and is a 2021. Curious what you think the price could possibly be negotiated down to.
Depends on several factors 1. Are you willing to take a hit on trade? The less you are willing to take for the trade the more negotiating power you have on the new one 2. You’re going to need to set up your own financing if you do not have a physical house address/apartment/condo. Easiest is Alliant Credit union. If the dealer has them as an option then they will get a kick back from the bank. That helps with negotiating. 3. If you’re paying cash you will have very little negotiating power. 4. Of its private party….be careful they may owe that amount of money. So that would mean there is 0 negotiating
@@HBRVLifestyle my camper is worth nothing now after hail damage and poor renovation from previous owner. I checked online and really only worth 5,000 maybe could get close to 10,000 but would need a good 2,000 dollars worth of work so I doubt a dealer would even take it. Gonna look into the credit union you listed above. Thanks for the response!
I bought a fifth wheel had it 8 years used it little was not a good investment making payments it sitting 95% of the year getting it sold was the best day
I am sorry you did not get to use it much. Normally you need to use it once a month on average for lets say weekend trips beyond normal vacation time in order to feel like you get your money's worth. Now if you pay cash for a RV that just sits, just imagine that you have a bunch of cash invested into a RV you "Hardly" Use when you can finance it, and use your cash for something that makes you money
@@HBRVLifestyle that is me! Years ago might have been nice, but no money. Now older, much older, my sister and I prefer hotel rooms. Do have an off road truck for back roads
Cash buyers will always have the power, even if they let the dealer beat or match their bank. Unless you absolutely need the item, the buyers power is his legs. Just be fair to cash buyers, they’ll be plenty of buyers needing financing that you can make your money from. Used at dealers will still make up in financing; better to pay cash for a used (even if you go to your bank). Then they’ll upsell you and in the end you paid more than buying private.
I'd imagine the reason the banks don't like retired people getting loans is because retired people are going to use the RV way more than a person who is working full time. That seems pretty obvious.
I just purchased a 2024 Forest River Wildwood 22eras. However I purchased it from a Camping World location and they wanted 15% of a $36,000 and they suckered me into all the extra's. I paid $4000 down and monthly payment is $670 payment at $43,000. I pay $1000 per month and will pay it off way before the interest kicks in.
Regarding financing I’m 35 and purchase my first rv in April Of 2024. I got a 2022 gulfstream vista cruiser 19csk to live in when I’m off the road since I’m a truck driver. My credit was a 780 ish and I got a 10 percent interest rate 12 year loan from the local credit union. I’ve talked to older folks at campgrounds and they say that is outrageous. Personally with interest rates I felt like I got a great rate compared to others these days. Heck the other bank over here isn’t giving personal loans for Less than 11 percent with perfect credit. This was an 18,000 ish camper and I only put 500 down. I was surprised I was approved at all I tried to get a camper 2 years ago with 4 grand down and they turned me down 🤷♂️ thankful to have a camper
@@chicagochris1988 I think you did very well for having so little down payment. Normally three things affect an interest rate. One being the dollar amount financed. The more you finance the better the rate. Two down payment percentage. Then your credit history/score.
After seeing this I feel like I just scored... Buying a 2019 Montana High County 330rl for 33k even though I'm installing a new roof on it already... Thank God I know how to do the work.. commercial flat roofer by trade. It'll be a thousand times better than the crap they use today.
I am glad it is working out for you. In my experience the older the rig, the more problems it has. However I get excited when someone gets something that doesnt give them fits
I bough mine outright cash, dont owe anything on it, but I want to sell it because i want to upgrade. Got it in 2020 and its a 2019 (was only used for 8 weeks). I was really hoping to get close to what i paid. I guess I am one of those people who want too much ...oh and i like your realness! Thanks.
Thank you so much for sharing. It is normal to not want to take a hit on anything. There is unfortunately a reality that cars, boats, RVs televisions, etc. all depreciate so it’s really hard to buy something and sell it for the same money you paid for it.
I bought it used so I didn't pay dealer price. I paid much lower. And I said "close". Which I see if close to the going rate on RV trailer. SO let that blow continue to blow your mind since its so easily blown. @@doctorkayak
if you're near retirement, carrying credit card debt or borrowing money to buy an RV is likely going to damage your financial health. The most powerful tool for making any deal is your knowledge of the fair price AND your willingness to walk away from a potential deal that is not fair.
@HBRVLifestyle I don't own a RV. But the complaints and videos of never ending problems out there are unreal. New home buyers are facing the same problems. The builders buy bulk. Your advice was spot on. We negotiated a truck with a dealership. Had we told them we had our own money originally, we wouldn't of gotten any money off. Places definitely rely on financing through their dealership. Question were you able to find that lady a inexpensive RV for her and her kids?
He doesn't talk about the quality of RVs. In my opinion, if you can't pay cash for this type of discretionary item, you probably don't need it. If you take the time that most people use their RV and then factor in the carrying costs, most people would probably be better off renting an RV or staying in a rental RV or cabin at a nice campground. Remember, you always have the power to say NO and walk out of the dealership. I did that with my last vehicle purchase. I walked out. I had the salesman calling me and calling me. I needed to buy a car. I had my bottom line price. I walked out for $21.00. In the end, I got the car for $500 less than I was willing to pay. You would be surprised what a salesman will do when he has a willing buyer but his need to earn the commission is much stronger than the buyer's need for the vehicle. I am sure it is the same with the RV industry. Just walk out. You can always walk back in. However, with all the nice looking stuff in the RVs, I am constantly reminded off all the horror story videos about RV quality.
RV quality is not as bad as it is made out to be. Second if every had to pay cash for items like cars and RVs, there would not be a an industry. Less than 3% of transactions in the RV industry and absolute cash! There are bad eggs in the quality area, I talk about that in other videos and my podcast
@@HBRVLifestyle Fair enough. I'm actually looking at new 2022 models; most are 50% off msrp, and some are better equipped than the newer models as you state. For example, the Forest River toy haulers had JBL sound systems in 2022. Now they have Furrion sound systems. I'll probably wind up getting a Heartland in Feb. when I'm ready to buy. Hopefully there will still be a few 2022s available then.
@@HBRVLifestyle Why? I just bought a 2024 Micro Minnie 1800bh for 42% off MSRP... it has several upgrades over the 2023 model and it was cheaper than any 2022 or 2023 model I could find by $1,300.
@@brianthompson9485Good for you! I can tell you that Winnebago does not have that kind of mark up. So you bought a brand new coach for a 7% loss on the dealership! Great Job!
One of the best reasons to buy direct used from a 3rd party is that most sellers will not sell you a lemon because they don't want you banging on the Home for your money back. Buy from a decent seller and most if not all the gremlins will have been taken care of. Just get a survey before you part with cash. The RV sector when they were bought by the Corporate crowd and they demanded faster builds like they are selling stuff in a Supermarket. Coupled with lousy wages, quality went out the Window. Buy used, get it checked by a good Surveyor and you will enjoy many miles of worry free driving.
This is a cool opinion. But I have had a lot of cases where RV community members have reached out to me and been absolutely screwed by private party. The difference between private party and a dealership in most states…. The dealership is required to do a safety inspection.. private party is all risk. I do like the fact that you say to have an inspector come out and look at a used coach one way or the other. I can tell you that it’s not if you have problems it’s when you have problems. no matter if you buy new or used, it is still an earthquake on wheels. So you still need a tool kit and a sense of humor
I just purchased a 2024 Genesis Rage 2016RIKS right after thanksgiving, traded a 2022 Genesis Vortex 2815VT in on it. I first went to Camping World, what they offered for my trade was awful. I went back to Paris RV in Murray, Utah where I bought it and they offered me a much better deal overall and zero junk fees. We enjoyed our 2815VT, it was just a bit small -- but Genesis Supreme makes a great product. Very solid built, no squeaks or rattles. The group that owns and operates Genesis is top notch if you are looking for a really well built toy hauler. I was looking for the link on the changes Genesis made for the 2024 model year and could not find it.
You showed my 2024 Surveyor legend and said 2023.. I believe you had these backwards? Also the floor plan was totally different from 2023 to 2024. Colors may have been similar but that's about it. The door is even in a different spot!
Buy something a little bit older. my recommendation would be don’t spend all 250 grand on the RV. Buy something that’s about 10 years. Attempt to finance it to help rebuild your credit with half down. If not, then just pay cash. Then use some of the money that you have left over to fix it up and update it.. that’s the absolute best way to get the best deal with cash
Wish my car, a Kia Soul,was designed for hauling even a micro trailer but the owner's manual says due to transmission design, turning radius and something else, DON'T PULL anything.
I'm a senior person. I don't give a flip about fancy graphics. I want lightweight, a dinette, bathroom, nice bed and no bumpout or awning. Lots of cabinets. I've been interested in Coleman and a few others.
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The cheapest RV and vehicle out there is the one you own free and clear. That applies to everything you own. Take care of your stuff, and you will save thousands. 👍
That’s brilliant but how does it help a new buyer?
@@jimsteinway695 New buyer as in a buyer who is not even a year old, a buyer who is just now purchasing their first RV, or a buyer who is looking to purchase an RV which is brand new this year?
If the latter, then they need to realize that purchasing a brand new RV is probably the stupidest life decision they could ever make.
@@basketballjones6782 Not unless you have a plan and a place to go to. We go to the desert and mountains where there are no other options for lodging. My RV stays in a home shop, so maintenance is minimal. One month out of the year I cut firewood about an hour away from my house. We leave the trailer up in the mountains and haul wood down with a base camp to stay at while cutting. I also hunt a few weeks out of the year using the trailer. Then we go to the desert to ride OHVs. I bought my trailer used in 2006 while it was one year old. If I didn't do those activities, no way would I have bought the trailer. Oh, in addition, we did tent camping for years before we had kids. Then we got our first trailer (1995 Dutchman) to see if we would use it (it was great). We were done tent camping and stepped up to the bigger more expensive trailer AFTER we realized how much a trailer worked for us.
@@jimsteinway695 it doesn't...what he is saying is "good luck to you for having a 15-20 year loan...years to come, your rig then will be worth nothing and you're still paying for it...
wow, an honest man with a review of the current RV industry. I wished that I would have found you prior to purchasing our Grand Design 2021 351m Momentum during covid. I thought that I knew a lot about RV's, especially the Grand Design line. "NOPE" the biggest dumb thing that I did was purchase a five year extended warrantee, NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT WAS WRITEN ON. Thanks for this video.
Do they not honor the warranties? My partner wants to get a grand design and I’m starting to hear a lot of scary things.
@@LisaLightning They do not honor the warranties. Right now, the 2022, 23, 24 are all having frame flex cracking issues. Do a simple search of this and as far as we can tell Brinkley is the only manufacture who has avoided this issue.
They don't honor it. The extended warranty is through a 3rd party, and they have many hoops to jump through, to the point it's not worth it. Save your money. What I did, I bought a 5th wheel in March, and did a huge trip May through July, and came back with a huge list of repairs that the 1 year manufacturer warranty took care of, provided we were willing to leave our rig for 6months plus, which we were ok with. Bottom line, the 1 year manufacturer warranty is the only benefit of buying new, which many may argue then the difference between new and used is not worth it. Just my opinion..
the industry suckered many buyers saying "buying an RV you can escape the covid and travel"...i bet now many realize they are stuck with a 12-20 year loan...so many people being laid off, the economy, the gas etc. and it's all just starting...
TRAVEL WHILE YOU HAVE YOUR HEALTH. NO GUARANTEES. WE KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE. GOD BLESS!!!
Amen
Better idea, avoid ALL the RV's, especially anything after 2019. Pay for a hotel, it is cheaper.
When I started this video, I thought, "I am going to waist 31 minutes of my life on this click-bait". Well, I hung in there. I want to apologize for pre-judging. Good video with valuable content. Have a great day!!!
Thank you for the support
My husband wants a 21ft outdoor but we have a perfectly good paid for travel trailer that we use 3 to 4 weeks a year. Not going into debt for anything in this economy, especially for a toy
I bought a new 21' off-road, with a slide-out travel trailer in July 2022. She's a 2022 model, with upgraded 24V full solar powered....totally off-grid. I bought a huge portable RV septic to empty my black & gray tanks into, then hook the portable septic up to my Expedition to take and dump at my local dump stations.
I bought my RV in northern Utah from an honest dealer, who informed me about what is really going on. He said that by 2026, the government would make it impossible to buy RVs. Reason:
Millions of Americans have walked away from mortgages and rents that they could no longer afford. Those Americans bought RVs to live in full-time. Banks and rental owners have lost billions of dollars because of this phenomenon. Thus, States are now making it near impossible for RVers to overnight park at rest areas, Wal-Mart, etc., and BLM lands are becoming "no overnight stays" when we could stay 14 days to whenever. Even dump stations are becoming governmentalized and restrictive.
2023, 2024, and up RVs, will be more & more stripped with NO SOLAR POWER AVAILABLE as China and Taiwan are the producers of electrical, computers, and all digital technology suppliers to American RV manufacturing.
Therefore, RV manufacturers will need to take used RV parts and put them into new RVs to sustain upgrades.
Government hates us middle class, as they want us to be enslaved to the government. With RVs.....government cannot control RVers. Obama/Biden have been using George Soros money since 1994.....and still use it to overthrow the American government and our Constitutional Rights.
That's why Obama's "brown army," that he spoke of, have been invading America in droves. They are here to destroy the white, Christian, patriotic Americans who Obama fears.....as we ARE the ones willing to fight for our freedoms.....and our rights.
It may sound like a conspiracy theory.....I wish it was....but, when you have RV dealers telling truths about what is really going on.....THAT IS FRIGHTENING.
So....I'm thankful I bought my RV in 2022. Because with God, through Jesus Christ.....I have everything, including my portable home.😊
You only live once.
@@DianeHasHopeInChrist- Ahh, you have TDS. Got it. You had me until you made this political.
In my experience most manufacturers and dealers lie like politicians. I no longer have an rv. I want one but refuse to buy the crap coming out of the industry.
Sorry to hear that
I bet you are / no sale herr
So buy an old one and renovate it. It's shocking how much room there is for "secret safes" and other cool things you can do. It's also shocking to see how crappy and assembly line these things are made. It's surprising they aren't falling apart all over the roads.
I feel the same way. I love the true off road trailers built to last and to be on the road . Like the MDC. High quality . They are truly built to be on the road and off road.
Wow, it’s so refreshing to hear honesty from a sales person!!
Just purchased a 2024 pickup. First new vehicle and loan on a vehicle in my 80 years. Credit score of 835. Yet best interest rate I could get was 8% with 10% down. Now I better understand why. Thanks for your straightforward explanations.
You are very much welcome
@@HBRVLifestyle, That 835 credit score is rarely what it appears to be.
Banks, credit unions, mortgage companies.., all have their own algorithms, and 835 to to a credit union is probably a 725 to Bank Of America.
Wait a sec, is hate to inform you but you got ripped off with 8% interest rate. I’m 45 with a 720-740 credit score, bought new gmc 1500 at4 truck, financed through gm financial at 4.9%. I don’t want to be rude but there isn’t a financial institution that wants to finance to an 80 year old, the odds are against you making it till end of term of your loan. I wasn’t trying to be rude but the rates were varying from 4-6% at time of your purchase, the big banks were actually cheaper than credit unions.
I paid cash for my '21, I had no choice...my credit was bad because I HAD NO credit, because I had no loans or debt. I've since fixed my credit but I still will not finance anything. Even with good credit I will still only pay cash. No payment is ten times better than ANY reason to finance!
As for parent companies, even though Forest River gets a bad rap, Flagstaff/Rockwood are superior quality in my experience (on my 4th Flagstaff). My '21 529RBS has been flawless! And it was a 'Covid build' custom order, paid $51K, MSRP was $63K.
Great video man, thanks. First time seeing your channel, subscribed.
Thank you so much for sharing and thank you for the support
First thank you. Now after watching your video and the undercover RV Tech, I am questioning wether or not to make the investment on a RV. I like both Rockwood couple camper models and the new Brinkley model Z air 285.....but things are more complicated than maybe it's worth.
I can understand your feeling. Forrest River Rockwood is a very good product between that and the Flagstaff I have always had really good luck with people that have bought them. the only thing I can say about Brinkley is do your homework about the owners, and what they have done in the past before you buy one
We waited until after Covid due to poor craftsmanship due to missing skilled labor. Then we looked prior to Covid and found a 2018 Arctic Fox 28 ft. The seller had it for 10 months and needed a quick sale. From his sales paperwork he paid $48,000 and we got it for $38,000. The woodwork inside was in like new condition as was the rest of the trailer. We are not new to rv life but this has everything we would need.
Bought a brand new toy hauler. It fell apart first trip. Electric stopped working....
@@ToriLynnH Sorry to hear this. what brand and model? I'd like to steer clear.
@@CarlasLovingWife.....most likely a "Coachman". They have a reputation for being extremely cheap built. No insulation, etc.
@@cheshire928 i also bought a camper built in 2018. And although it has not been perfect, the quality is miles ahead of 2019-2024.
Stay away from Grand Design. I had a new 2019 in 2018 and it was a flop. Nonstop problem after problems and their customer service was worthless. I sold it 3 years later and got a new Newmar, London Aire. I will never touch a Grand Design from experience. They have major frame flex failures and refuse to help owners.
They have realized that error when sales… died. But yes, at first they blamed Lippert, and Lippert blamed GD for ordering frames not meant to haul that units weight. What got me was it was multiple vendors and manufacturers, all with one common denominator… Lippert.
I always tell my family that you must be willing to walk away from any deal.
I had a good laugh at the Seattle RV show. One dealer was selling Cardinal fifth wheels for 98k as a special (no solar, no leveling system, 12' cubic fridge, screws falling out of some areas inside, etc...) and then one dealer selling a Durango GOLD for 99k and it had everything (even a residential dish washer).
The sales guy for the Cardinal had no words. I honestly felt that was a rip-off! You're totally right, RV users are smart!
Exactly
I am in the process to buy 2023 FK 26 white hawk. During the walkthrough inspection I noticed , shower glass door was off track needed to replace. Waiting for a new one. I fallow your advice even know I was ready to pay cash , I got better deal with the dealer and I have room to negotiate. Thank you for your honesty and knowledge.
You are very much welcome. That Shower Door will take a while to get to the dealer.
I tend to skip over the videos where people are talking, but...what led me to watch this video in its entirety were the comments about how the industry works (i.e. incentivization for managers, qualifying for loans, fico score tiers, etc.). I found it interesting. Now so many other videos of people sharing their complaints about the rv industry make more sense.
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing
I bought a new 21' off-road, with a slide-out travel trailer in July 2022. She's a 2022 model, with upgraded 24V full solar powered....totally off-grid. I bought a huge portable RV septic to empty my black & gray tanks into, then hook the portable septic up to my Expedition to take and dump at my local dump stations.
I bought my RV in northern Utah from an honest dealer, who informed me about what is really going on. He said that by 2026, the government would make it impossible to buy RVs. Reason:
Millions of Americans have walked away from mortgages and rents that they could no longer afford. Those Americans bought RVs to live in full-time. Banks and rental owners have lost billions of dollars because of this phenomenon. Thus, States are now making it near impossible for RVers to overnight park at rest areas, Wal-Mart, etc., and BLM lands are becoming "no overnight stays" when we could stay 14 days to whenever. Even dump stations are becoming governmentalized and restrictive.
2023, 2024, and up RVs, will be more & more stripped with NO SOLAR POWER AVAILABLE as China and Taiwan are the producers of electrical, computers, and all digital technology suppliers to American RV manufacturing.
Therefore, RV manufacturers will need to take used RV parts and put them into new RVs to sustain upgrades.
Government hates us middle class, as they want us to be enslaved to the government. With RVs.....government cannot control RVers. Obama/Biden have been using George Soros money since 1994.....and still use it to overthrow the American government and our Constitutional Rights.
That's why Obama's "brown army," that he spoke of, have been invading America in droves. They are here to destroy the white, Christian, patriotic Americans who Obama fears.....as we ARE the ones willing to fight for our freedoms.....and our rights.
It may sound like a conspiracy theory.....I wish it was....but, when you have RV dealers telling truths about what is really going on.....THAT IS FRIGHTENING.
So....I'm thankful I bought my RV in 2022. Because with God, through Jesus Christ.....I have everything, including my portable home.😊
@@DianeHasHopeInChristWhat brand and year would you recommend when buying a used RV?
Thanks for the info, I found it extremely useful and interesting, especially about having a great credit score but not working vs working and lower score. That was something I won't forget. Thanks for your information 👍
You’re welcome and thank you for the support merry Christmas
Josh the RV Nerd covered models being stripped down months ago.
I picked up a 2017 Grey Wolf 23DBH for $14k cash back in 2020.
The prices of RV's are almost as bad as new pickups. No thankyou on financing either at this point. My truck is paid off and my camper works great.
That said, it's still about $500-$1,000 per year to get it serviced, caulk resealed, winterized etc.. so it's still a cost no matter how you slice it guys.
Once the kids outgrow it, I'll sell it and we will shift to airB&B or rent one for a week on Outdoorsy. Owning and RV is kinda like owning a boat.
Sometimes. You never know, it may grow on you past the kids moving out
What about going to RV factories and ordering an RV the way you want it?
Example;
Removing windows, adding new windows, changing air conditioners, putting in extra cabinets, etc.
Are we able to go to factories and get poplar RVs rebuilt the way we want them?
no unfortunately
Great advice! We are looking to buy a toy hauler in the next 6 months and it was very helpful and real.
Thank you for the support. If you live near Las Vegas or SoCal. Let me know. I can help you when you’re ready
Thank you! We live in Central Cal and will reach out.
The edge around the dinette is missing on the first one
This is one of the best informative and realistic description of the current RV market issues. You helped me a lot as I am planning to trade my class B at the Florida RV show next wk . First time viewer will keep an eye out for your videos.Thank you
Thank you for the support
I bought a new 21' off-road, with a slide-out travel trailer in July 2022. She's a 2022 model, with upgraded 24V full solar powered....totally off-grid. I bought a huge portable RV septic to empty my black & gray tanks into, then hook the portable septic up to my Expedition to take and dump at my local dump stations.
I bought my RV in northern Utah from an honest dealer, who informed me about what is really going on. He said that by 2026, the government would make it impossible to buy RVs. Reason:
Millions of Americans have walked away from mortgages and rents that they could no longer afford. Those Americans bought RVs to live in full-time. Banks and rental owners have lost billions of dollars because of this phenomenon. Thus, States are now making it near impossible for RVers to overnight park at rest areas, Wal-Mart, etc., and BLM lands are becoming "no overnight stays" when we could stay 14 days to whenever. Even dump stations are becoming governmentalized and restrictive.
2023, 2024, and up RVs, will be more & more stripped with NO SOLAR POWER AVAILABLE as China and Taiwan are the producers of electrical, computers, and all digital technology suppliers to American RV manufacturing.
Therefore, RV manufacturers will need to take used RV parts and put them into new RVs to sustain upgrades.
Government hates us middle class, as they want us to be enslaved to the government. With RVs.....government cannot control RVers. Obama/Biden have been using George Soros money since 1994.....and still use it to overthrow the American government and our Constitutional Rights.
That's why Obama's "brown army," that he spoke of, have been invading America in droves. They are here to destroy the white, Christian, patriotic Americans who Obama fears.....as we ARE the ones willing to fight for our freedoms.....and our rights.
It may sound like a conspiracy theory.....I wish it was....but, when you have RV dealers telling truths about what is really going on.....THAT IS FRIGHTENING.
So....I'm thankful I bought my RV in 2022. Because with God, through Jesus Christ.....I have everything, including my portable home.😊
Just get to the point
It's a good video just to long in the explanations.
Just play it 1.5x speed…..
Most all these type (explanatory, instructional, expert advisory) videos are filled with fodder in order to make the video longer and inturn generate more advertisement revenue. Annoying & aggravating for sure.
Listen carefully he has made many points
Talked 30 minutes and said nothing.
My RV was made by Dutchman and the quality was unbelievably poor.
They all cut corners and use cheaper materials to try to increase profits.
It's literally not worth buying an RV now because of rapid depreciation and rapid deterioration due to poor quality.
I bought a new 21' off-road, with a slide-out travel trailer in July 2022. She's a 2022 model, with upgraded 24V full solar powered....totally off-grid. I bought a huge portable RV septic to empty my black & gray tanks into, then hook the portable septic up to my Expedition to take and dump at my local dump stations.
I bought my RV in northern Utah from an honest dealer, who informed me about what is really going on. He said that by 2026, the government would make it impossible to buy RVs. Reason:
Millions of Americans have walked away from mortgages and rents that they could no longer afford. Those Americans bought RVs to live in full-time. Banks and rental owners have lost billions of dollars because of this phenomenon. Thus, States are now making it near impossible for RVers to overnight park at rest areas, Wal-Mart, etc., and BLM lands are becoming "no overnight stays" when we could stay 14 days to whenever. Even dump stations are becoming governmentalized and restrictive.
2023, 2024, and up RVs, will be more & more stripped with NO SOLAR POWER AVAILABLE as China and Taiwan are the producers of electrical, computers, and all digital technology suppliers to American RV manufacturing.
Therefore, RV manufacturers will need to take used RV parts and put them into new RVs to sustain upgrades.
Government hates us middle class, as they want us to be enslaved to the government. With RVs.....government cannot control RVers. Obama/Biden have been using George Soros money since 1994.....and still use it to overthrow the American government and our Constitutional Rights.
That's why Obama's "brown army," that he spoke of, have been invading America in droves. They are here to destroy the white, Christian, patriotic Americans who Obama fears.....as we ARE the ones willing to fight for our freedoms.....and our rights.
It may sound like a conspiracy theory.....I wish it was....but, when you have RV dealers telling truths about what is really going on.....THAT IS FRIGHTENING.
So....I'm thankful I bought my RV in 2022. Because with God, through Jesus Christ.....I have everything, including my portable home.😊
@DianeHasHopeInChrist Your RV dealer is an absolute conspiracy theorist and probably a die hard Trump maga republican. Anyone who thinks that democrats want to destroy this country is gullible and delusional beyond belief. RV dealers are just as greedy and just as big liars as car dealers.
Wow! That was a boat load of great information. Clear enough to understand for even those with no experience. Thanks very much.
@@rainbowbudgies1129 you are very much welcome
Your spot on my friend on financing and banks adding crap on. Finally sold our fuzion 2016 422 for 68k to a private party currently looking to get into a new 2023 or 2024 cannot believe the prices now compared to covid. Great time to buy.
Buying an RV is like taking your Mother in law to Disneyland. Quite exciting when you walk through the entrance gate, and then at the end of the day you can't stand each other.
Sorry you feel that way
Finally someone with common sense speaks. Dealing with any kind of sales person who makes their living on commission and commission only is always an unpleasent experience. RV, car, motorcycle,...it doesn't make any difference 👈🏾
1) I’m paying straight cash homie.
2) I’m buying from a private party to avoid all the stealership’s junk fees.
Congrats
I bought a new 21' off-road, with a slide-out travel trailer in July 2022. She's a 2022 model, with upgraded 24V full solar powered....totally off-grid. I bought a huge portable RV septic to empty my black & gray tanks into, then hook the portable septic up to my Expedition to take and dump at my local dump stations.
I bought my RV in northern Utah from an honest dealer, who informed me about what is really going on. He said that by 2026, the government would make it impossible to buy RVs. Reason:
Millions of Americans have walked away from mortgages and rents that they could no longer afford. Those Americans bought RVs to live in full-time. Banks and rental owners have lost billions of dollars because of this phenomenon. Thus, States are now making it near impossible for RVers to overnight park at rest areas, Wal-Mart, etc., and BLM lands are becoming "no overnight stays" when we could stay 14 days to whenever. Even dump stations are becoming governmentalized and restrictive.
2023, 2024, and up RVs, will be more & more stripped with NO SOLAR POWER AVAILABLE as China and Taiwan are the producers of electrical, computers, and all digital technology suppliers to American RV manufacturing.
Therefore, RV manufacturers will need to take used RV parts and put them into new RVs to sustain upgrades.
Government hates us middle class, as they want us to be enslaved to the government. With RVs.....government cannot control RVers. Obama/Biden have been using George Soros money since 1994.....and still use it to overthrow the American government and our Constitutional Rights.
That's why Obama's "brown army," that he spoke of, have been invading America in droves. They are here to destroy the white, Christian, patriotic Americans who Obama fears.....as we ARE the ones willing to fight for our freedoms.....and our rights.
It may sound like a conspiracy theory.....I wish it was....but, when you have RV dealers telling truths about what is really going on.....THAT IS FRIGHTENING.
So....I'm thankful I bought my RV in 2022. Because with God, through Jesus Christ.....I have everything, including my portable home.😊
Disgusting racist. @@DianeHasHopeInChrist
Hello sister in Christ! My wife and I have been full-time rv dwellers for 6 years and counting and i do feel a heavy atmosphere at times. But with my faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, He always removes the heaviness of my heart and gives me peace, hope, and re-assurance that He is always near and will always be in control as we put our trust and hope in Him alone. Will you provide me a hint or any information to the dealership in Utah that help you. We are ready to replace our rig for six years as we need more carrying capacity as full-timers. Truly appreciate it and may the good Lord guide and keep you always. Take care.@@DianeHasHopeInChrist
@@DianeHasHopeInChrist How will they make it impossible exactly
Wow! This is such a great wealth of information. Thank you for sharing with everyone. We want to get a Solitude and have it narrowed down to two. Our problem of buying off the lot, is we want dual pane windows and a generator on board. Wished we could find that on a lot.
Awesome. Go to your local Grand Design dealer and put the order in. It will take 9-12 weeks plus shipping time to get there. One thing you must know though. Dual pane windows in RV is not the same thing as your house. if you’re doing this for insulation purposes, it won’t help much. if you’re doing it for noise purposes, it will help a little
We purchased a Brinkley Model Z 3610 in December. Salesman said that prices were going to go up in 24. Im happy that you are reflecting that sentiment. We fully optioned it and the options were basically free with dealer incentives.
Wow! I really appreciate your info on financing! Thanks.
You are welcome
TY. I'm on SSDI (near minimum benefit) alone, and about to lose my free room with utilities of the last decade when my friends sell the house and move to another state, the process of which has already begun. I haven't replaced my car that died shortly before Covid. So, I have been doing a ton of research, and I've wanted to hit the road for decades, before it became more than trendy, and I'm leaning heavily on getting the vehicle-especially since . While trendy means there are tons of anecdotes and videos to read and watch, it also means the costs in the lifestyle(s) have skyrocketed. And the one thing nobody ever covers is how to acquire vehicles in the first place. If you already have good money you can just pull out of the bank, yay you. What's happened is a severe bifurcation of vehicle-living lifestyles, between those that have to, or prefer it over the alternatives, and those that could choose however they want to live and money is no object. The latter has done to the vehicle markets what they'd already done to housing. So, all that blah blah, just to thank you for at least giving us some of the skinny on financing and debt in the RV industries. Personally, I'm good for my money. I stay within my means and know how to budget. Though it does leave me at the mercy of surprise expenses, debt gets paid immediately after I do, and I avoid accumulating it as much as possible.
Your welcome. And thank you for sharing
Just purchased a new Forest River Flagstaff Micro Lite model# 21FBRS listed over $42k no factory options added. Just the standard in Southeast Michigan our cash price with an additional battery was $32K OTD. We take delivery March 7 2024.
Appreciate the info. Last year, I got a '99 Montana for $3300. Knowing what I know now, I'd have passed on it.
I'll know bette now when I go to get my next one.
Fortunately, I'm stationary for a while. 😂
Merry Christmas
@@HBRVLifestyle 😊🎅🧑🎄🎁🎄👍
Have to jump in here. When a dealer (op) tries to steer you away from paying cash, that’s a flag to me anyway. Cash vs 10% interest rate, as if you could bargain cost down 10% just because you are financing is not a great idea. And that 10% rate is every year. And those loans are front loaded so that you pay little principal at first, mostly interest. That’s why banks pay kickbacks to dealers, they are just losing a small amount.
Ask for the amortization schedule showing the loan, and every month for the full term showing exact amounts going to interest and principal. Then do the math vs cash price.
Most dealers will try to get every penny they can. Treat the finance transaction completely separate from the purchase price. They are different transactions, no matter what others say. NEVER TELL A DEALER YOU ARE PAYING CASH, until price is agreed on OTD. Out the door price. Always say you you’ll talk about financing after a price is agreed upon.
And if a dealer refuses to do this. You need to find a different dealer. Period. You have to walk away. It’s your money, and your responsibility to manage it. It’s a business decision, nothing personal. Now, let’s say you plan to payoff the loan after immediately financing. You better make sure to read the contract to show whether it has prepayment penalties or not. You may be able to play this card. But doubtful you will come out ahead if you carry that loan 12 months or more.
Good video, and thanks for a lot of useful information. 😀
This is an old-school mentality. Thank you for sharing.
Yes. Walk away and find a dealer who wants to sell.
Keep in mind RV dealers like Auto dealers get cash back for sending loans their way. Literally giving the dealership $200+ for every loan. The dealerships therefore pressure their finance guys to encourage financing. It’s just life. 😊
Thought you were going to be using the " OK " alot less in this video. Just 23 times. Bout average. Your risking a career telling the truth about the industry. Gald you do. Thanks for being a stand-up guy. Kudos.
You’re welcome and I’m doing my best to try to not say OK so much but it’s tough
Long winded but worth the time. 😂 Thanks for some great info. I'm about to buy and you just helped me a lot!
You’re welcome
Hello, just came across your channel and I did subscribe. My past life I worked in transportation and logistics. I now teach logistics at a local college so I would like to add some food for thought on your winter warranty and parts issues piece. In addition to your insights from a manufacturer and dealer perspective here is some more. There is a yearly cycle to transportation (a.k.a "trucking"). Covid was an anomaly. The supply chain has healed itself, for the most part and is retracting in some areas, don't believe any other BS. We are back to what is called a spot market where shippers call out for "spot quotes" on moving product. This is basically trucking companies quoting against each other. Yes, that is normal, but when freight softens as it is right now, the decision to keep trucks moving and pay the bills vs. parking a truck becomes a hard reality. This ties into your warranty work. Every year post thanksgiving and Christmas the buyers of goods, you, and me the consumer are normally tapped out of cash or not in the mood to spend more. The world of logistics normally works on a 3-6-month delay depending on where the parts are in the world. Your Christmas gifts were ordered by the stores in July. So once the trucks have moved it to a warehouse, held it, then moved it to a store "in the back" to the store shelf trucking slows down. So, the pricing starts to drop. Your warranty work is 100% cost to the manufacturer. So, they want to get the lowest price as possible to move those parts to the dealership. They may spot quote trucking companies and carriers to get the lowest price to move the part. The customer becomes the pawn in a logistics and cost game during the slow time of trucking post thanksgiving and Christmas. This is a big picture game. The suppliers of parts play it with the subassembly companies and component assemblers as well. As with the RV dealerships, truck drivers take vacation as well and many companies are happy when those vacations fall in January and February. Its all tied together. Cheers, good channel.
Thank you so much for your insight. Great Stuff! Thank you for the support and Happy New Year
After watching your video I need to buy new and get my dealership market first and and use my own financing I could walk away if my algorithm is off with the company that i would purchase from and I’m a first time buyer! You basically said that I should not purchase anything used and you made a very valid point that they are selling last years product for the 2024 price I might as well purchase new!❤
We purchased new last year (22) as the covid craziness was still in full swing but there were signs it was starting to wane. We got exactly what we wanted, paid around 5% below MSRP. Quality was excellent and post sales support from dealer has been great. Paid cash so do not care what current value of unit is.
What did u purchase and from who?
@@roncerenzia4116 we got a Grand Design Imagine 22MLE travel trailer from Holiday World in Katy, Texas
only 5%?!?! should be close to 40%
Not at the time. That was good for the state of the market then.
Thank you for the incite, still looking for my perfect TT.
None of them are perfect lol
I bought a new 21' off-road, with a slide-out travel trailer in July 2022. She's a 2022 model, with upgraded 24V full solar powered....totally off-grid. I bought a huge portable RV septic to empty my black & gray tanks into, then hook the portable septic up to my Expedition to take and dump at my local dump stations.
I bought my RV in northern Utah from an honest dealer, who informed me about what is really going on. He said that by 2026, the government would make it impossible to buy RVs. Reason:
Millions of Americans have walked away from mortgages and rents that they could no longer afford. Those Americans bought RVs to live in full-time. Banks and rental owners have lost billions of dollars because of this phenomenon. Thus, States are now making it near impossible for RVers to overnight park at rest areas, Wal-Mart, etc., and BLM lands are becoming "no overnight stays" when we could stay 14 days to whenever. Even dump stations are becoming governmentalized and restrictive.
2023, 2024, and up RVs, will be more & more stripped with NO SOLAR POWER AVAILABLE as China and Taiwan are the producers of electrical, computers, and all digital technology suppliers to American RV manufacturing.
Therefore, RV manufacturers will need to take used RV parts and put them into new RVs to sustain upgrades.
Government hates us middle class, as they want us to be enslaved to the government. With RVs.....government cannot control RVers. Obama/Biden have been using George Soros money since 1994.....and still use it to overthrow the American government and our Constitutional Rights.
That's why Obama's "brown army," that he spoke of, have been invading America in droves. They are here to destroy the white, Christian, patriotic Americans who Obama fears.....as we ARE the ones willing to fight for our freedoms.....and our rights.
It may sound like a conspiracy theory.....I wish it was....but, when you have RV dealers telling truths about what is really going on.....THAT IS FRIGHTENING.
So....I'm thankful I bought my RV in 2022. Because with God, through Jesus Christ.....I have everything, including my portable home.😊
we bought a dynamic isata private because there was not any for sale. great vedeo.
Interesting stuff, l have a 2015 Jayco and I'm not overly impressed with the quality. Thinking about upgrading just not sure right now.
I get it. Just keep in mind the difference figure between what your Jayco is worth and what new/newer ones are selling for is only going to widen. However if you are not ready, do not rush it. You will spend more money overall waiting. However if you are not ready, do not rush things.
We bought a 2022 Palomino Solaire 243HBS in November 2023. We paid in the high 20's. MSRP was listed at $43,500.00. We financed with the dealership in order to obtain the price they quoted. We also bought it on a Saturday which meant our credit union was closed. We signed the papers and they thought they had us hooked. However, we went directly to our credit union on Monday ( we inquired before purchase about an early payoff and found there wasn't any penalty) and refinanced it immediately. We also had an in with our credit union due to the fact that our daughter works there. We are both retired, but my husband has a consulting position with a company on an as needed basis which means they could still show him employed. We also have a credit score in the 800's.
We made a deposit on a new 2024 Thor Outlaw 29J, we had it inspected by a NRVIA INSPECTOR, we ran from the dealership and got our deposit back. I could not believe all the defects , some were safety issues, from the factory. Most RVs are junk and the repairs fall back on the customer because the factory warranty will say that the customer did not do the preventative maintenance. $850 saved me $120K , The is no reason that an RV cannot be inspected on the factory assembly line, the factories don’t have time for an assembly line inspection because of the mass production of junk!
This is not true. Not every RV is junk! I am sorry what happened to you and that is a great job getting an inspector out there. Happy you avoided a massive level problem. But every RV is not junk
@@HBRVLifestyle What RVs manufactories are not junk? What don't you understand about the word MOST?
I purchased this past August and didn’t have a problem getting a loan. I didn’t trade my old rv and I’m still having problems selling my old coach.
I am sorry to hear that about your old coach. Do you owe more money then it is worth?
Because you're trying to sell it for a 100000 more than it's worth
The fact of the matter is everyone wants to pay nothing, They figure RV people are even more desperate than people with cars trying to unload them. they are Newmar Tiffin Very high and coaches are just sitting. they have to discount them to no profit Usually 200 to 250000 off And with interest rates or they are and fuel that's that's why I can make the assumptions that I make on a use coach
3:30. Fully agree. Go look at 2024 Cars or Harleys- ZERO Difference on 98% of all models.
Its parent companies KNOWING they can get away with Inflation🌅
Love the financing information you put out. Keep it coming
Thank you for the support
I like PP because many dealers add unreasonable add-ons to the price. I do agree PP units are mostly overpriced.
Wow thanks man. Verjy smart and wise person!
Totally agree with switches and steps. I actually really dislike the newer style steps. I do like the auto leveling in our class c, but not sure how much I would like it on a Travel Trailer.
Thank you for sharing. Good thoughts
I like your insight into the RV market. I worked in the truck business for 12 years and what you say makes sense. The dealers need to make money. If they are heavily discounting last years model or even the current model one way to make up the difference is financing. If you are a cash buyer, it does limit what the dealer is willing to do. We have been looking for a couple years and the market was crazy. We paid over sticker for a new 23 Toyota due to limited supply and a time crunch. (I have never paid over sticker, and will never again) Trailers were similar. We did have time and were willing to travel a bit so we found a small 2024 trailer for $4000 less than the local dealer was willing to go on a 23. As you said the used market was very high and not much less than new due to sellers overpaying during Covid and being buried in their rigs...Look forward to getting it out this spring. Will check out some of your other videos as well.
Thank you for Sharing
I’m with you when I bought my Ford ranger in 2021 they were doing that customer rodeo round up sticking the Covid excuse onto the price of things that were already on the lot and blaming it on the chip shortage. There’s no chip shortage on the ones in the lot, anyway they tried to get me for as much as $8000 over invoice would’ve paid $62,000 for Ranger patience paid off. Finally got mine for about 37,000 flat out got my own home loan from the credit union skews me car loan and waited until the last dayand they finally gave in but I got no perks like free oil changes and other free stuff. I just got it straight out and I have to pay for my oil changes.
we had bought our first travel trailer during the Covid years. We bought a 2022 East to West Della Terra. We realized very fast that what we bought was too small so we traded it in this fall and bought a brand new 2024 Forest River Cherokee 294GEBG We feel that the price was extremely good!
Great Story. Thank you for sharing
I wonder if the new Catalina vinyl wallpaper will stay attached to plywood for the next few years? They must have lost serious cash over this issue recently.
I’m not sure if they have or not. Good question though
Just purchased a 2024 Salem FSX 178BHSK. Decent APR under 10% and well within my monthly price point . I had a specific request due to my tow vehicle so that one fit the bill.
Congratulations
Thanks for this! Not really looking now, but sound advice.
Thank you for the support
"So everything is over priced and people are unreasonable" Just like all the dealers were/are for the last three years!
Dealers get ready to kiss my shoes if you are even still in business... lol...
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I very much appreciate your honesty and transparency.
I figure you will be busy Because of word-of-mouth.
Thank you for your support
@@HBRVLifestyle Thank you for posting the truth that is a rare quality. Today everyone's got a game and they're playing well. I guess that's all they know is.
Play that game
Build RVs like cargo trailers: Metal frame, metal walls, metal roof, metal skin. Won't leak or burn. At least not as easily. Oh, well.... talking to the wind. 95% of RVs are wood, plastic, fiberglass and rubber and leak and rot.
Powersports salesmen here, just about to go back to work after my 9 week slow season layoff. One of the best perks of my job, 9 weeks off to travel and have FUN! Some good advice here on this video.
Thank you so much for the support
Honey Badger don’t give a xxxx. Interesting info, I still love Josh the RV nerd. I’m looking to buy a used RV within next few months.
What about people who live full time in their rv and warranty work is needed?
That’s been even tougher
You seem to be a self proclaimed expert who resides a LONG way from Elkhart Indiana.
Just been doing it for a long time and I have a lot of inside information from contacts.
Great info and appreciate your honesty in the modern day corrupt world.
You are welcome
Thank you, my friend. I love your video. Thank you for telling what's going on. I bought a brand you trailer 33 photo and guess what happened? I bought a cash and when I get Home. It was another state and went I was looking. I had a leak water leak ended. There was no way I can deal with the situation by fixing it. Because they were in another state they are crooked. That's what they this company selling trailers. Motor home day crook? Nothing but crook. I want to have one again. I don't know how am I gonna get one. Maybe private, but thank you so much for the information. They should be ashamed of themselves they think we're stupid we're not
I'm not a consumer - I'm a customer.
I appreciate the feedback
I would locate a great quality pre 2018 camper and just get an inspection.. eat inspection cost. Depends on model year and manufacturer as to best quality. Buy from a private seller.
Helllo, great video, much good info!!!!!! thanks so much.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for the support
Thank you so much for this video! My girlfriend and I bought a 2002 5th wheel camper to live in full time for just under 12,000 cash two and half years ago and regretting it so much! We’ve put so much money into this camper and want out. We are now looking at a Jayco Eagle 332CBOK and found one locally listed for 55,000 and is a 2021. Curious what you think the price could possibly be negotiated down to.
Depends on several factors
1. Are you willing to take a hit on trade? The less you are willing to take for the trade the more negotiating power you have on the new one
2. You’re going to need to set up your own financing if you do not have a physical house address/apartment/condo. Easiest is Alliant Credit union. If the dealer has them as an option then they will get a kick back from the bank. That helps with negotiating.
3. If you’re paying cash you will have very little negotiating power.
4. Of its private party….be careful they may owe that amount of money. So that would mean there is 0 negotiating
@@HBRVLifestyle my camper is worth nothing now after hail damage and poor renovation from previous owner. I checked online and really only worth 5,000 maybe could get close to 10,000 but would need a good 2,000 dollars worth of work so I doubt a dealer would even take it.
Gonna look into the credit union you listed above. Thanks for the response!
Jayco ! Really😊
@@Rainbow-nn3rl Jayco Makes a decent product
I bought a fifth wheel had it 8 years used it little was not a good investment making payments it sitting 95% of the year getting it sold was the best day
I am sorry you did not get to use it much. Normally you need to use it once a month on average for lets say weekend trips beyond normal vacation time in order to feel like you get your money's worth.
Now if you pay cash for a RV that just sits, just imagine that you have a bunch of cash invested into a RV you "Hardly" Use when you can finance it, and use your cash for something that makes you money
@@HBRVLifestyle hey was to much like work before and after traveling
@@MikeLJ-ku7ov It is not for everyone. I have friends that have tried it and decided Hotels and Cabins were more their speed
@@HBRVLifestyle that is me! Years ago might have been nice, but no money. Now older, much older, my sister and I prefer hotel rooms. Do have an off road truck for back roads
Great video! Great insight!
Thank you!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Cash buyers will always have the power, even if they let the dealer beat or match their bank. Unless you absolutely need the item, the buyers power is his legs. Just be fair to cash buyers, they’ll be plenty of buyers needing financing that you can make your money from.
Used at dealers will still make up in financing; better to pay cash for a used (even if you go to your bank). Then they’ll upsell you and in the end you paid more than buying private.
I'd imagine the reason the banks don't like retired people getting loans is because retired people are going to use the RV way more than a person who is working full time. That seems pretty obvious.
That's a different take! Nice
The main reason to avoid dealers is you cannot trust they will provide service after the sale. I research the dealer as much if not more than the RV.
I just purchased a 2024 Forest River Wildwood 22eras. However I purchased it from a Camping World location and they wanted 15% of a $36,000 and they suckered me into all the extra's. I paid $4000 down and monthly payment is $670 payment at $43,000. I pay $1000 per month and will pay it off way before the interest kicks in.
I’m sorry to hear your bad experience
Regarding financing I’m 35 and purchase my first rv in April
Of 2024. I got a 2022 gulfstream vista cruiser 19csk to live in when I’m off the road since I’m a truck driver. My credit was a 780 ish and I got a 10 percent interest rate 12 year loan from the local credit union. I’ve talked to older folks at campgrounds and they say that is outrageous. Personally with interest rates I felt like I got a great rate compared to others these days. Heck the other bank over here isn’t giving personal loans for
Less than 11 percent with perfect credit. This was an 18,000 ish camper and I only put 500 down. I was surprised I was approved at all I tried to get a camper 2 years ago with 4 grand down and they turned me down 🤷♂️ thankful to have a camper
@@chicagochris1988 I think you did very well for having so little down payment. Normally three things affect an interest rate. One being the dollar amount financed. The more you finance the better the rate. Two down payment percentage. Then your credit history/score.
After seeing this I feel like I just scored... Buying a 2019 Montana High County 330rl for 33k even though I'm installing a new roof on it already... Thank God I know how to do the work.. commercial flat roofer by trade. It'll be a thousand times better than the crap they use today.
Also incidentally great job my friend great job
Purchased a 16 year old rig that's more dependable than anything built in the past 10 years.
I am glad it is working out for you. In my experience the older the rig, the more problems it has. However I get excited when someone gets something that doesnt give them fits
@@HBRVLifestyle Any RV requires maintenance and repairs.
We bought a 2024 Cougar 33RLI in Oct 23
Just found your channel thank you for the powerful information I’m definitely looking to trade and you have given me great insight
Your welcome and thank you for the support
I bough mine outright cash, dont owe anything on it, but I want to sell it because i want to upgrade. Got it in 2020 and its a 2019 (was only used for 8 weeks). I was really hoping to get close to what i paid. I guess I am one of those people who want too much ...oh and i like your realness! Thanks.
Thank you so much for sharing. It is normal to not want to take a hit on anything. There is unfortunately a reality that cars, boats, RVs televisions, etc. all depreciate so it’s really hard to buy something and sell it for the same money you paid for it.
@@HBRVLifestyle Do you think it better to trade or private sell it?
I bought it used so I didn't pay dealer price. I paid much lower. And I said "close". Which I see if close to the going rate on RV trailer. SO let that blow continue to blow your mind since its so easily blown. @@doctorkayak
I’m actually paying cash for a nice mobile suits 5th wheel. 5500 ain’t bad for something that once costed 100k
Nice
if you're near retirement, carrying credit card debt or borrowing money to buy an RV is likely going to damage your financial health. The most powerful tool for making any deal is your knowledge of the fair price AND your willingness to walk away from a potential deal that is not fair.
Who knew Jessie from Breaking Bad was such an RV fan.
If a RV salesman says “trust me”, RUN!!
@@christineharris6574 🫡
Excellent insight. Thanks for the information
You are very much welcome
@HBRVLifestyle I don't own a RV. But the complaints and videos of never ending problems out there are unreal. New home buyers are facing the same problems. The builders buy bulk. Your advice was spot on. We negotiated a truck with a dealership. Had we told them we had our own money originally, we wouldn't of gotten any money off. Places definitely rely on financing through their dealership.
Question were you able to find that lady a inexpensive RV for her and her kids?
@@mildredwebster2822 I was not unfortunately. Nobody donated any money. And I couldn’t find anything I could afford.
@ 15:00 wow this is rather alarming for those about to retire!
Might be worth adding too that Josh doesn’t work in sales, but in marketing. He is a spokesman, meant to bring attention to Bish’s.
He doesn't talk about the quality of RVs. In my opinion, if you can't pay cash for this type of discretionary item, you probably don't need it. If you take the time that most people use their RV and then factor in the carrying costs, most people would probably be better off renting an RV or staying in a rental RV or cabin at a nice campground. Remember, you always have the power to say NO and walk out of the dealership. I did that with my last vehicle purchase. I walked out. I had the salesman calling me and calling me. I needed to buy a car. I had my bottom line price. I walked out for $21.00. In the end, I got the car for $500 less than I was willing to pay. You would be surprised what a salesman will do when he has a willing buyer but his need to earn the commission is much stronger than the buyer's need for the vehicle. I am sure it is the same with the RV industry. Just walk out. You can always walk back in. However, with all the nice looking stuff in the RVs, I am constantly reminded off all the horror story videos about RV quality.
RV quality is not as bad as it is made out to be. Second if every had to pay cash for items like cars and RVs, there would not be a an industry. Less than 3% of transactions in the RV industry and absolute cash! There are bad eggs in the quality area, I talk about that in other videos and my podcast
Enjoyed the walk and the talk.
Thank you for the support
Holy frivolous verbosity Batman! The "secret information" is that buyers should compare product & price with previous model years?!?
It should be, buy 2023 year models. They are the same as 2024 but you will get a better deal
@@HBRVLifestyle Fair enough. I'm actually looking at new 2022 models; most are 50% off msrp, and some are better equipped than the newer models as you state. For example, the Forest River toy haulers had JBL sound systems in 2022. Now they have Furrion sound systems. I'll probably wind up getting a Heartland in Feb. when I'm ready to buy. Hopefully there will still be a few 2022s available then.
@@HBRVLifestyle Why? I just bought a 2024 Micro Minnie 1800bh for 42% off MSRP... it has several upgrades over the 2023 model and it was cheaper than any 2022 or 2023 model I could find by $1,300.
@@brianthompson9485Good for you! I can tell you that Winnebago does not have that kind of mark up. So you bought a brand new coach for a 7% loss on the dealership! Great Job!
One of the best reasons to buy direct used from a 3rd party is that most sellers will not sell you a lemon because they don't want you banging on the Home for your money back. Buy from a decent seller and most if not all the gremlins will have been taken care of. Just get a survey before you part with cash. The RV sector when they were bought by the Corporate crowd and they demanded faster builds like they are selling stuff in a Supermarket. Coupled with lousy wages, quality went out the Window. Buy used, get it checked by a good Surveyor and you will enjoy many miles of worry free driving.
This is a cool opinion. But I have had a lot of cases where RV community members have reached out to me and been absolutely screwed by private party. The difference between private party and a dealership in most states…. The dealership is required to do a safety inspection.. private party is all risk. I do like the fact that you say to have an inspector come out and look at a used coach one way or the other. I can tell you that it’s not if you have problems it’s when you have problems. no matter if you buy new or used, it is still an earthquake on wheels. So you still need a tool kit and a sense of humor
I just purchased a 2024 Genesis Rage 2016RIKS right after thanksgiving, traded a 2022 Genesis Vortex 2815VT in on it. I first went to Camping World, what they offered for my trade was awful. I went back to Paris RV in Murray, Utah where I bought it and they offered me a much better deal overall and zero junk fees. We enjoyed our 2815VT, it was just a bit small -- but Genesis Supreme makes a great product. Very solid built, no squeaks or rattles. The group that owns and operates Genesis is top notch if you are looking for a really well built toy hauler. I was looking for the link on the changes Genesis made for the 2024 model year and could not find it.
I am so happy you are enjoying the Genesis Product. I sell them near Las vegas, Nevada and is still my favorite Manufacturer of Toyhaulers
You showed my 2024 Surveyor legend and said 2023.. I believe you had these backwards? Also the floor plan was totally different from 2023 to 2024. Colors may have been similar but that's about it. The door is even in a different spot!
Ok
many consumers make poor decisions regarding the purchase of toys
The beauty of any RV is only skin deep. Every thing you can’t see is pure junk.
Do a short video on buying one with cash. I got bad credit but i got 250 grand on hand. So that said what is nest way to buy with cash. Thanks
Buy something a little bit older. my recommendation would be don’t spend all 250 grand on the RV. Buy something that’s about 10 years. Attempt to finance it to help rebuild your credit with half down. If not, then just pay cash. Then use some of the money that you have left over to fix it up and update it.. that’s the absolute best way to get the best deal with cash
Wish my car, a Kia Soul,was designed for hauling even a micro trailer but the owner's manual says due to transmission design, turning radius and something else, DON'T PULL anything.
I just can’t imagine financing an RV - unless one is going to live in it. Not a wise move.
Financing is 84% of the business.
Get a used Alpenlite 5th wheel if you want a durable unit. No comparison with Indiana units.
I'm a senior person. I don't give a flip about fancy graphics. I want lightweight, a dinette, bathroom, nice bed and no bumpout or awning. Lots of cabinets. I've been interested in Coleman and a few others.
Coleman is not a very good travel trailer. Look at Springdale or Wildwood before you buy a coleman
@@HBRVLifestyle thank you.
@@HBRVLifestylethank you
That was going to be my exact question