Kpop's First (and only) Transgender Group - LADY

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    Hey Plofessors!
    I'm back with my Crazy Kpop Concepts series! Today we will be talking about LADY, a transgendered kpop girl group that debuted in the early 2000s. As you can imagine, their careers did not go smoothly, and the group ended up having to resort to controversies and even a n*de photobook to gain attraction. In this video, we will be taking a look at this unique group's tragic career.
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  • @ploopy678
    @ploopy678  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1664

    Hey guys! Please note that I have no negative opinions on transgender people and I believe they should be free to live their lives just like anyone else. I'm saddened by the fact that this group experienced discrimination, but at the same time I don't think this makes them immune to all criticism. Therefore the criticisms I made of this group are in no way linked to the fact that they are transgender. I'm just objectively speaking about this group's controversies the same way I would about any other kpop group!

    • @claybumatay420
      @claybumatay420 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Hello and I love this new video 💖💖💖💖💖

    • @johnnyspellman4419
      @johnnyspellman4419 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

      I loved the way you took care of your words, it really show that you were respectful but still managed to talk about their controversies 💜

    • @OsamasStory
      @OsamasStory 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Ploopy, please make a video about Kris Wu’s scandal?

    • @gREnDe1
      @gREnDe1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      @@TheBestCat1290honestly I’ve found many in the trans community to be pretty understanding. It’s the supposed “allies ” that go on bullying campaigns and blow things out of proportion

    • @TheBestCat1290
      @TheBestCat1290 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@gREnDe1 The allies? Really? Why would the people who support them do that? I'm sorry if I am being disrespectful but I am confused

  • @preyslaydisplay
    @preyslaydisplay 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +343

    The company wanted the group to be recognized like any other idol group at the time but released A NUDE PHOTOBOOK??? What was the company thinking 😭

    • @ejfernando8447
      @ejfernando8447 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I wish kpop group nowadays can release something like that 😢😢😢
      Jk

    • @qplrxs
      @qplrxs 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ejfernando8447☠️

    • @qplrxs
      @qplrxs 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@ejfernando8447 i dont think so considering that kpop groups nowadays as you say, are mostly all young adults or teenagers..

    • @paradisekiss888
      @paradisekiss888 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@qplrxsyall acting like in other generations there were no teenagers in the industry, there were alot and they often got sехuаlizеd

    • @xqhic
      @xqhic หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@ejfernando8447 ur joke isnt funny btw

  • @Itz_Mark2006
    @Itz_Mark2006 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1015

    It's true that Lady didn't deserve all that hate online for being transgender women but the company was literally making confusing decisions
    How much delulu you have to be to expect high sales and big success when you're launching a non-accepted group in a conservative country? It's ridiculous 💀

    • @ArtwithPRAGYA
      @ArtwithPRAGYA 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      I mean did'nt they mention for defeating everyone in 'talent' ..trained for 5 months?

    • @rainbowsubs2
      @rainbowsubs2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Not even that, the fact that the company was also unknown like?!

    • @ai-lq7tr
      @ai-lq7tr 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Because Harisu did.

    • @roooov
      @roooov 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Um... Their debut was inspired from HARISU because HARISU had huge levels of success.

    • @qplrxs
      @qplrxs 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ArtwithPRAGYA *didn’t

  • @kpoprat
    @kpoprat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +841

    It's so sad that the company felt the need to bodyshame cis women to promote them. It really shows how awful things were and still are for trans people and women

    • @henridubois6433
      @henridubois6433 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      huh??? so them bodyshaming women is somehow "awful" for trans women?? just hold them accountable for their misogyny.

    • @kpoprat
      @kpoprat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

      @@henridubois6433 it's awful because it's not them; it's the label. The label felt that the only way to market them was to say that they were "better" than cis women. Nobody wins in that situation

    • @WildVee
      @WildVee 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      @@henridubois6433 ??? Bodyshaming anybody is awful, a minority bodyshaming or acting bad towards another group just because they're a minority doesn't make it right. Sit back down lmao.

    • @PrettyBaby222
      @PrettyBaby222 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      ⁠@@WildVeei think that he meant that it was awful that it wasn’t even something that the members meant or felt. It was something that the label put out there and had nothing to do with the member’s opinions or thoughts about cis and trans women.

    • @kpoprat
      @kpoprat 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PrettyBaby222 yeah

  • @sophiaisabelle01
    @sophiaisabelle01 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +973

    Lady sure has a lot of potential in the Western side of things. I'm not certain if South Korea is ready to embrace groups like this within the industry.

    • @Projecttori
      @Projecttori 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      They should have went to America

    • @biomuseum6645
      @biomuseum6645 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Asian trans are way prettier than western trans

    • @jorrdan.
      @jorrdan. 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +112

      I mean it happened in the 2000s so not a particularly great time for the American market either

    • @Unberable
      @Unberable 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      They would have been demolished in Bush's America

    • @TuberoseKisser
      @TuberoseKisser 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      They absolutely wouldn't have potential in america, if anything it probably would have been worse

  • @moonpalace.mp3
    @moonpalace.mp3 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +702

    It's hard enough being trans today, I can't imagine the bigotry they would've faced back then :(

    • @cyerk
      @cyerk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

      and they were also so beautiful, i can’t imagine hating someone because of their gender identity

    • @whateverart
      @whateverart 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      especially being openly trans in the media.

    • @ThisuserstansNMIXX
      @ThisuserstansNMIXX 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      And in a country like a korea

    • @olilondonpavethewayforkpop
      @olilondonpavethewayforkpop 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Stan Oli London

    • @Silverystonezxzx
      @Silverystonezxzx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@olilondonpavethewayforkpop NOOOO

  • @eszt3r5555
    @eszt3r5555 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +492

    I'm so happy about Ploopy continuing the Crazy Kpop Concept series, this is my fav series on the channel

    • @floppedmemes1
      @floppedmemes1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Same
      This series Is very good

    • @soflrxz
      @soflrxz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sameeee

    • @LongKhangTran
      @LongKhangTran 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same!!!!

    • @misa_mellow
      @misa_mellow 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      me too!

  • @Sheepy16able
    @Sheepy16able 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +108

    What i think is kinda sad is, that I`m sure if they would debut today in 2023, they still wouldn`t be able to promote in a normal way on music shows because I`m sure they would be banned again and people would probably write transphobic stuff. It`s sad that Korea didn`t really change a lot in 20 years.

  • @sususoojinn
    @sususoojinn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +211

    Let's appreciate the time she spent researching all of the things she talks to us about

  • @flivine
    @flivine 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +155

    I find it strange they have to Prove they had sex change surgery. Their genitalia/etc. isn’t other s people s business.. it’s sad Binu felt like she had to lie about it. I don’t think any of them needed to share that information to start with.

  • @imahuu
    @imahuu 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    It's sad and must have been so frustrating for the member to constantly repeating that they are women. They had to make a nude photoshoot to "prove" it or lying about surgery...

  • @sleepysquash
    @sleepysquash 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +329

    As a trans person i respect ur careful choice in wording and overall respectfulness throughout the video!!

    • @_StrayKidsForever_
      @_StrayKidsForever_ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why r u trans, weird and maybe rude question, but still

  • @whatever9097
    @whatever9097 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +233

    They actually aren’t the only trans group! Earlier this year QI.X debuted. They are a group made of all openly queer idols. I don’t know if all of the members specifically identify as being trans, but they’re all gender variant in someway. They’ve also used trans flags on their social media and performed at a transgender day of remembrance event.
    Prin is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns. JiGOOK is a nonbinary trans male and uses he/they pronouns. Maek is genderqueer and uses they/them pronouns. Youra is inactive as of writing, they identify as questioning and uses they/them pronouns as of their introduction. Sen doesn’t use labels and uses she/they pronouns.
    They’re very talented and I highly recommend you check them out. They have two songs out, Lights Up and Walk & Shine.

    • @Eleanor_YT
      @Eleanor_YT 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      I was hoping someone would bring up q.ix! I love themmmm

    • @arain764niara
      @arain764niara 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Then are they another trans group if not all the members aren't trans?

    • @Xile179
      @Xile179 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Non binary isnt trans

    • @aeongies
      @aeongies 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      @@Xile179 actually, some non-binary people do consider themselves to be trans. it depends on the person.

    • @szfcia
      @szfcia 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@aeongiesbut do they?

  • @poochy
    @poochy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Back in the day you weren’t even like, “allowed” to say transgender pretty much. So I understand why she lied about surgery. That was the only metric for validity, and feels like a safety thing. The marketing pitting these girls’ beauty against cis women made me cringe so hard. That’s an oof. Anything can and will be used to call trans women sexist and, like yeah oof

    • @Renjuniepurin
      @Renjuniepurin 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Very true. I really don’t think that it is a very big deal that she lied about the surgery. Her genitalia is no one’s business tbh.

  • @sqwurrx
    @sqwurrx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    As a christian, the "being part of lgbtq is a sin" pisses me off sm. Did we all forget only God can judge a person?

    • @Semili-tiger
      @Semili-tiger 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I like you so much ❤❤

    • @Madeleine-i2f
      @Madeleine-i2f 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      In the Bible it does state the gay is a sin but I can agree that instead of hating the sinner we should hate the sin they are committing because God says we should judge based on sin and love one another as he loves us.

  • @ChrisKobraLA
    @ChrisKobraLA 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    If Sheyla´s "boyfriend" had a "wife on the side" then that means Sheyla was actually the "woman on the side" 😹

    • @Shinotheblink
      @Shinotheblink 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ??

    • @peachxtaehyung
      @peachxtaehyung 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What?

    • @MsLuciana81
      @MsLuciana81 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@peachxtaehyungbasically Sheyla’s boyfriend had a wife so since Sheila and her boyfriend weren’t married Sheyla was the woman he was cheating with

    • @Terminallyposessed
      @Terminallyposessed 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The people in the replies didn't watch the sponsored ad at the beginning of the video and it shows 🤣

  • @ehrenschnitzel
    @ehrenschnitzel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

    They could have been groundbreaking, but the concept and promotion of this group is based on misogyny and inherent transphobia (the comments about femininity and womanhood f.e.) so… it furthered the stances against transgender women and transgender as a whole which is so sad. The members don’t have to be experts on transgender, obviously, but they have said some very hurtful things towards women and womanhood and the whole military evasion thing… ugh. That could have been handled more carefully but i think the company didn’t know how to.
    It’s sad and disappointing how it ended.

  • @Meizhu_Yang
    @Meizhu_Yang 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +139

    Can we all agree that ploopy makes videos on the most interesting topics! ❤️❤️

    • @ploopy678
      @ploopy678  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      Thanks 😊

  • @geekdiggy
    @geekdiggy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    i think back to piggy dolls, a girl group whose members would today be called "plus sized," but at the time the korean online environment used very different language. their purpose was to sell kpop without conventional beauty. those girls could sing, and proved it with the song called "trend." but large women in a country that devilishly worships the modelesque was going to be a novel concept at best, and before long the public reaction grew to about what you'd expect for a country like south korea. while praised by some for their courage, the group failed to take off. they did, however, get an endorsement from a weight loss company, lost weight, and the novelty was gone. the group was later rebranded with more conventional-looking idols, which is referred to as (no pun intended) "piggybacking." they put out a wonderful song called "butterflies" which i still listen to 10 years later. not much became of the original members, and after the rebranded group disbanded, maknae kang eunyeong went on to re-debut as SeeA with the group PinkFantasy.
    that's the story of novelty. attention spans and identity are too fragile, and if you sell on gimmick and not value, you don't get and keep customers. that's marketing 101.

    • @geekdiggy
      @geekdiggy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      if you haven't already done so, a video covering piggy dolls' story would make for an interesting discussion for your viewers.👍

  • @GuranPurin
    @GuranPurin 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +115

    Even despite Korea's reluctance to accept this group, it certainly didn't help that they had so many controversies throughout their run. Attacking womens' bodies when you were born male is never going to go over well and the very idea of a nude photobook seemed like it was their company setting themselves up to be attacked. I have no idea who thought that was a good idea and I feel bad the group didn't get much traction (especially since they had very little training to boot). It almost may have been better had they just been a quirky nightclub group in the first place. But it's nice they they seem to have found something that makes them happy these days.
    I also have to bring this up because I've seen a lot of confusion on the subject, but since he was mentioned, while Jo Kwon certainly has always been gender non-conforming in how he dresses, for all intents and purposes, he still identifies as male. He specified while working on the musical "Jaime" that he liked putting on a "genderless image" in terms of how he dresses and a lot of western K-POP fans confused this as him "coming out" as being genderless or nonbinary and started calling him "they" despite him never actually stating that he wants to be referred to as any other pronouns. I just wanted to make that clarification since it confused a lot of people a couple years ago!

    • @Anonymous-kp3jf
      @Anonymous-kp3jf 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You're wrong on understanding what makes a person trans, so why are you talking?

    • @GuranPurin
      @GuranPurin 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@Anonymous-kp3jf ??? I never said anything about "what makes a person trans??"

    • @cinnamonproduction3898
      @cinnamonproduction3898 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      the way you think these girls were the ones who bodyshamed women is funny bc it was the label. Also kpop male idols do that everyday dw

    • @نجمة-ت8د
      @نجمة-ت8د 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Just a minor correction it wasn’t actually the idols who said anything about other women’s bodies it was the label

    • @rainbowsubs2
      @rainbowsubs2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lmao like if you are born female and call someone ugly its cute

  • @love4trollz
    @love4trollz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    I’ve been listening to LADY for some years now but I have never seen the full backstory

  • @escritora84
    @escritora84 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

    It's so sad that almost 20 years later, we're still seeing the same levels of transphobia and misogyny, it's so eerie. Thank you for covering this group and their history, you covered this with so much grace.

    • @UFO339
      @UFO339 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The trans community today hit the axe on their own foot by talking nonsense 🤷🏻‍♂️
      And to make it worse the pronoun community comes in (which pple always confuse for the trans community)

  • @aestrology_
    @aestrology_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    Wow, Evangeline’s videos are always so throughly researched and well done! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

    • @Kenny_D6665
      @Kenny_D6665 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      She’s the type of person to pursue a PhD in K-Pop.

  • @chickpeapeace
    @chickpeapeace 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    the transphobia they experienced was so terrible, what other woman needs to tell other people about her genitals in order to be accepted as a 'real woman'? it's interesting finding this video now as i just went to a screening last night of Home Ground (2022) which is a documentary about LGBTQIA+ people in south korea, mainly centred around a lesbian bar called LesVos in myeong-dong (i think)
    i've been watching and listening to south korean media for a couple of years now and this was the first instance of like realistic representation of queer people and culture in korea i've seen, aside from the brief appearances of lesbian characters in hometown cha cha cha and extraordinary attorney woo-youngwoo. it's a good watch, i'd recommend. before watching this film i had no idea of terms like 바지 and 치마 (baji and chima, literally meaning trousers and skirt respectively, also 바지치마) being used to describe lgbt people (i think specifically lesbians but it wasn't explained in the film and i just looked it up and couldn't really find anything)

  • @DonJuan-ex2id
    @DonJuan-ex2id 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    These girls deserved so much better, if they git more training and Korea's politics weren't so ass they rlly could've been something

  • @valentine99
    @valentine99 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    the “reflect on their efforts” line sounds very in line with the bodyshaming and fatphobia that is common. very interesting how that backlash was used to further bigotry instead of normalizing diversity in body types

  • @luu0w0
    @luu0w0 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Hey Ploopy, could you make a video about the group Mercury? They were also a group with a transgender member :] also they are unfortunately pretty underrated

  • @IRRIS_YUNSEUL
    @IRRIS_YUNSEUL 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    I’m so happy someone is finally talking about this group 😚

  • @AntonioGG1-9801
    @AntonioGG1-9801 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +103

    Great job on the video. I’m happy that you cover lgbtq+ 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️. I really appreciate because as a person who is a member of LGBT+ community. It really makes my day. ❤

    • @oz4648
      @oz4648 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      ​@@TheBestCat1290wow I didn't know cats could be so rude. All the cats I've met love queer people.

    • @RedvelvU9
      @RedvelvU9 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@TheBestCat1290OK?

  • @queensofqueens664
    @queensofqueens664 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    honestly off topic but I love your channel so much you can take the most boring topics and make them interesting to watch so ty for your hard work lol

  • @RandomTrinidadian
    @RandomTrinidadian 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Another quality video that is both informative and intersting.
    I got nothing against the LGBTQ community, but i dont think korea was ready for such a group

    • @ArtwithPRAGYA
      @ArtwithPRAGYA 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      and their dillusion of selling lol

  • @heyimsasa
    @heyimsasa 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    bodyshaming is so wild. like they did get their bodies via cosmetic surgery but i doubt they were exempt from the dangerous diet restrictions and intense exercise regimes forced on trainees. the spokesperson was wrong for saying that and i think it's disingenuous to make bad faith arguments agreeing about transwomen getting plastic surgery automatically making them hot. nothing the girls could've done or said would've been met with kindness and sending those girls to the army would make things so much worse for their safety. i hope they're doing okay and trans women are women.

  • @BabyAli3nH3re
    @BabyAli3nH3re 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    "yOu pErVeRt" Got me dying

  • @EvaFun
    @EvaFun 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Lets get ploopy to 300k ☺

    • @ploopy678
      @ploopy678  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Aww thanks! ❤ We are almost there!!!

  • @efrensalamatin
    @efrensalamatin 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I LOVE WHEN YOU MAKE VIDEOS♡

  • @sean7891233
    @sean7891233 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The marketing of Lady was … questionable 😅

  • @Vcha.is.my.lifeee
    @Vcha.is.my.lifeee 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    People who think that ploopy needs to get 300k and that she is soooo underrated
    👇🏻

  • @denyel_
    @denyel_ 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    weird how obsessed with “the surgery” people are.
    thats an extreme line to confirm if you really are or not lol

  • @therealgrimreaper68
    @therealgrimreaper68 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Even if Koreans were accepting, their chances of success would have been low, they would put women down to elevate themselves and make problematic statements wouldn't help them be successful

  • @shutup-gc2yk
    @shutup-gc2yk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Not the Audible story being straight outta Wattpad 😭💀

  • @JimmyRogers-he4eq
    @JimmyRogers-he4eq 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    It about time transgender have a singers group I'm sick of tired the racist bigotry homophobia stereotype people in the world 🌎 know God Allah Buddha created all of us regardless of gender identity and other people have the right to change their appearance and sex change surgery and it nobody else business including conservative fake religion law's people I love transgender people especially Asia people beautiful and sexy and humble respectful friendly people

  • @TuberoseKisser
    @TuberoseKisser 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Lukewarm take: Being a minority of any type and using that as a major draw to a kpop group probably means that there's most likely no actual entertaining appeal. If you're gonna promote a group as being unique due to it's members to draw in fans then have the visuals and music to actually keep fans.

    • @TheBestCat1290
      @TheBestCat1290 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      That is exactly what BLACKSWAN did. And they have a huge fan base globally because of it. The shock factor was that 2 members were not korean and now it is all members aren't korean and they are still successful (but you do still have those haters who don't think they should be a k pop group. But yeah Ploopy has covered a lot of those groups who aren't minorities but they have failed as a k pop group such as the hot dog women in the video and the naked girls. Just run on pure shock factors and it doesn't work. This is the same with this trans group as they released the nude book and they kept getting into controversy and they ultimately failed (not being transphobic or hating at all or if I am, that isn't my intention)

    • @GuranPurin
      @GuranPurin 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TheBestCat1290 You're wrong about Black Swan. The group was originally called Rania and they primarily had Korean members with a few foreigners here and there over the years. The idea was for them to become a global group, so having foreign members made perfect sense.
      Because DR is a shit company, they have never been able to keep a consistent lineup (they've probably had over 20 members at this point + the rebrand to BP Rania and now finally Black Swan), so they currently no longer have any Korean members while the foreigners remained. They did not debut with the shock fact concept of "K-POP group with no Koreans", the Koreans just left over time.

    • @TheBestCat1290
      @TheBestCat1290 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@GuranPurin I know about Rania but that is a separate group to BLACKSWAN (it is a very common misconception with lots of articles saying they rebranded but BP Rania did disband and the members from BP Rania redubuted under BLACKSWAN). Rania and BP Rania only had one non Asian member until BLACKSWAN's newest lineup where non of the members are Korean joined (Leia is half Japanese so still Asian).
      And that is what the shock was and what made BLACKSWAN different to the other groups (and BP Rania as they were actually treating Fatou equally which DR Music didn't do to Alex). So when a new kpop group emerged with the second black kpop member, it was a big shock. And then you had Gabi and Sriya who are not East Asian people and then Nvee who is an African American.
      So that attracted people and their awesome music that was finally released which brought an international audience as well as keeping them interested in the group rather then completly relying on shock to keep them relevant and popular.

    • @GuranPurin
      @GuranPurin 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TheBestCat1290 That wasn't a misconception, it's factual. Rania, BP Rania, and Black Swan are all the same group. They rebranded but the same members simply transferred over to the new group every time they did so, so it wasn't a completely different lineup. Black Swan debuted with Korean members from the previous BP Rania lineup. They've simply left because of controversy, expired contracts, and poor working conditions and replaced with foreign members. They didn't debut via shock factor of being a group of non-Koreans (simply put, very few Rania lineups have been all Korean), they could add a Korean to the group tomorrow. They simply currently don't have any in this lineup.

    • @BELIEVER78989
      @BELIEVER78989 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Being transgender was this group's whole "concept" and personality, they wouldn't have failed this badly if they had stood up for their identity and change and actually helped the transgender community in positive way with their songs, messaging and performances atleast thats what I feel🤷‍♀️

  • @_yvesus
    @_yvesus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    OMG I LOVE LADY THEIR MUSIC IS SO GOOD❗️

  • @artythepartyofficial
    @artythepartyofficial 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    thank you for another great video ploopy, as a trans person myself i found this incredibly interesting. its unfortunate that the group had to resort to marketing themselves through putting down cis women and releasing a nude photobook- perpetuating the awful stereotypes of trans women hold- just to try to make a name for themselves in an already hostile industry. i'm not surprised at how negative the reception was for them considering the time and place, but at least it's a step in the direction of potentially having another trans girl group (or any trans group) that can succeed nowadays in a world where it's more understood. thank you again for these videos and keep it up, you're amazing♡

  • @chunyipli3410
    @chunyipli3410 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Congratulations ploopy got 300k followers 💕💕 your great video deserves more and more followers 🌈🌈

  • @WhitePhoenixCrown
    @WhitePhoenixCrown 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Thank you for this video. I loved this group's 2 singles. I didn't think anyone remembered this group.

  • @allyssaearly-mccullom4964
    @allyssaearly-mccullom4964 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    How are you even to find stuff like this. You got to be a secret agent.

  • @charliebear154
    @charliebear154 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    These poor girls were so exploited… It’s hard enough being transgender, having it used as a concept is so disappointing and sad 💔

  • @PND-ye3hq
    @PND-ye3hq 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Thank you for making a video on the topic of LGBTQ+! It is honestly crazy to me how the group LADY was even able to exist at the time. LGBTQ+ still have a hard time in South Korea now, imagine how worse it was in the early 2000s! Unfortunately, it is still hard for LGBTQ+ members of Korean society to come out. Resistance from conservative groups is still strong, and the public generally tends to avoid talking about the topic, rather than speaking out about discrimination LGBTQ+ individuals may face. I am hopeful though that sometime in the future, we will see positive change. Acceptance of LGBTQ+ people actually seems to be increasing according to polls, and I think especially the younger generations seem to have less of a problem with the idea. Also, Taiwan has legalized same-sex marriage as the first country in Asia. I hope that may serve as an example for other Asian countries to follow.

  • @CheShiny
    @CheShiny 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    3:22 Source: Twice???
    This made me laugh more than it should help-

    • @ploopy678
      @ploopy678  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Oh yikes! That was a mistake 😂 It would be hilarious if Twice did a cover of that song though....

    • @CheShiny
      @CheShiny 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@ploopy678 Imagine if they had the same outfits hahaha

  • @whateverart
    @whateverart 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    i think you should talk about pink fantasy and their member daehwang who wears a bunny mask.

    • @notgiuliayoon
      @notgiuliayoon 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But she's not trans tho
      ! please check my pfp. !

  • @annar32106
    @annar32106 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    i haven't heard of this group until now but it's so wrong on how they were treated :(

  • @везучая_я
    @везучая_я 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    They were my favorite group in 2013(💘

  • @HoudaOussous
    @HoudaOussous 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Their comments about being women were pretty sexist... Didn't help them either

    • @shani5395
      @shani5395 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      And cis people say the same thing. Shows how much society needs to improve

    • @HoudaOussous
      @HoudaOussous 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@shani5395 for people who claim they want equality and open mindness, it's pretty disappointing

    • @shani5395
      @shani5395 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@HoudaOussous The same still applies to cis women who have this sexist mindset. Do they not deserve equality too? And be upset at the society that paints these things out to be a feminine trait to begin with. Y'all only have an issue with these things when trans women do it too to try and fit in

  • @lixxie2119
    @lixxie2119 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    The amount of research going into this!! You're amazing!!

  • @nofelsattam5375
    @nofelsattam5375 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I loveeeeeee your videos, can you please consider doing one on the new Jyp group vcha and the a2k show

  • @emptyteardrops
    @emptyteardrops 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Oh my god! So glad you’re talking about this! Also, three minutes early

  • @sakuraa1770
    @sakuraa1770 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I've been waiting for another crazy kpop concepts and this one was certainly interesting! I look forward to more videos from this series!

  • @XVa-uj8m
    @XVa-uj8m 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hey ploopy. I remember Harisu, her first album was good and I remember one song from her on there made me want a Soft R&B album from her. Sadly it has never happened. Heard her 2nd album is good.
    I picked up the 3rd album though and it is a complete piece of shit, utter garbage. Not one good song...I am amazed Pump It Up managed to create a halfway good song out of "Foxy Lady".

  • @shanicestella2226
    @shanicestella2226 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Yeah , I think this group might more success in America rather than in home country because gender identity awareness issue is nothing taboo in America and conservative Korean society are not ready for this

  • @soupsimmer3538
    @soupsimmer3538 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I’m so glad that their story is being told they deserved SO much better✊🏼🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

  • @RedVelvetUnderground333
    @RedVelvetUnderground333 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The industry can’t handle that, sk is a weird conservatism.
    There should be more trans groups if they got the talent, let them be

  • @rinas6550
    @rinas6550 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I loved that first song tho I really did 😂

  • @carrieheartsmusic6797
    @carrieheartsmusic6797 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Omg, I've never heard of this!

  • @stereohype1
    @stereohype1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If they had debuted within 6 months of Caitlyn Jenner's reveal things might have gone better for them. These wonderful ladies were just ahead of their time. I hope they're all doing well these days. Trans people have just as much right as anyone else to make a decent living and dont deserve religious nutters denying them such a basic human right.

  • @RoelRisque
    @RoelRisque 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This reminds me of Hanbit from Mercury. Honestly we need to give queer idols more opportunities.

  • @kumaxhime
    @kumaxhime 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Lady deserved better!! I'd like to think these women would have more success in the more open-minded world of today, but both Korean and international societies still have a long way to go with love and acceptance for Transgender and gender non-conforming people.

  • @enfisk
    @enfisk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I came immediately when I saw the notification

  • @OsamasStory
    @OsamasStory 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Like? If you want Ploopy to make a video regarding Kris Wu’s scandal!

  • @OUR_Aesthetic_.diaries
    @OUR_Aesthetic_.diaries 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Her in videos-💕❤🌷🌺🌸🎀🥿🩰
    Her in dance covers-🖤😈💀⛓🔗

  • @mariyannuism
    @mariyannuism 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It really is a shame fanatic christian bigotry and transphobia held back this group's potential. From what I've heard from trans friends who are Korean, being transgender in South Korea is incredibly difficult and I admire everyone who keeps thriving in the face of such backwards beliefs. If a group with a similar concept were to debut, I think they would have it slightly easily thanks to the internet and people being less backwards in general, but they would probably be blacklisted by the same christian bigots yet again

  • @laurateixeira4182
    @laurateixeira4182 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Congratulations on 300k followers!! You definitely deserve it 🥰

  • @luraixx
    @luraixx 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I try to support many LGBTQ+ k idols now bc they are really talented and representation is so important

  • @Katieatkinson_youTuberchannel
    @Katieatkinson_youTuberchannel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Koreaboo is it dumped in English!? And is it on Netflix!? And l like video and good video and subscribe and my TH-cam too

  • @elmin82
    @elmin82 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    really think that Korea wasn't ready for this type of group ..

  • @JUDALATION
    @JUDALATION 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That reporter Who asked the Military question was a diabolical plot villain... 🧐

  • @Whiskers101
    @Whiskers101 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yuna is my favorite

  • @hox6287
    @hox6287 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Personally I think a girl kpop group picking up one or two transgender members is better than doing this.
    While there's nothing wrong with a transgender girl group debuting, it feels like it's as if the company was making a "freak circus". What we want to convince the public is that trans women are women just like cis women.
    Based on what you said, this doesn't give those vibes, this gives vibes that "hey look at these freaks we found" and them not being very skilled at what they do just further underlined that effect. This imo further alienates trans women instead of convincing the public they are just like anyone else, which is an important step in conservative societies..
    If there's ever an attempt in introducing LGBTQ+ folks into Kpop, we definitely can't go with frisky risque drama from the beginning. Instead, slow and steady.

    • @Kazuma_kiryu311
      @Kazuma_kiryu311 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I never thought of it that way, you're right

  • @briancastillo6486
    @briancastillo6486 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    9:19 omg I laughed at the meme, specially seeing Mnet and Kbs there 🤣🤣

  • @thais_1210
    @thais_1210 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That's not the only one :')

  • @stuffedninja1337
    @stuffedninja1337 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Body shaming aside, I’d have supported the crap out of this group. It’s too bad they didn’t even make it a year, I wanted to check out some of their music.

  • @darling_multistan
    @darling_multistan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Ploopy, your videos are so good and they’re always so interesting! So happy to be a subscriber, love you and your videos 💗

    • @ploopy678
      @ploopy678  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thanks for your support, and glad you like the videos! 😍

    • @darling_multistan
      @darling_multistan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ploopy678 Of course! 💞

  • @rainbowsubs2
    @rainbowsubs2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Also binu is so pretty

  • @WomensIconn
    @WomensIconn 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They deserved so much better. Their song ate and left no crumbs

  • @Crunchiecorpse
    @Crunchiecorpse 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I feel like it would of been a bit easier now but i also think the western side of the world would of embraced them alot easier but as a trans person rlly respect ur viewpoint

  • @tray5846
    @tray5846 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sahara 😍

  • @HadassaMoon144
    @HadassaMoon144 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I'm a Christian, Presbyterian which is LGBTQIA+ accepting and am actually bisexual myself. I really wish that all other Christians and Christian denominations would focus on a believer's PERSONAL beliefs. Homosexuality and Transgenderism are very real and true experiences. "There's no such thing" isn't true, especially since the Bible does speak on it. How can the Bible speak on something that doesn't exist? People were homosexual and transgender in the times the Bible was written. Many Christian denominations have agreed that the Bible prohibits living those lifestyles and homosexuals and transgenders should pretend and lie to themselves and live in misery. Supposedly they will be rewarded for their sacrifice by going to heaven. Meanwhile, other Christian denominations agree that the Bible should not be taken literally and that many of the rules within it were written for specific communities of people over 1,000 years ago when science wasn't understood...and therefore do not need to be followed anymore. That's how you even get female ministers. It's forbidden according to the Bible! I don't understand how the same Christian groups will have female ministers then speak against "the gays" as though both female ministers and having gay sex aren't both forbidden if they want to follow all the rules of the Bible. Hypocritical and cherry picking behavior.
    In short, everyone should mind their own business. If a person isnt Christian, then Christian rules do not apply to them! Religious worship should be private and it's NOT okay to try to force other people to live based on someone else's belief system.
    I feel sad that these women in Lady weren't able to achieve their goals because of discrimination and prejudice.

    • @Ipromiseyounobodyismad
      @Ipromiseyounobodyismad 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      So ur not a Christian…

    • @peachxtaehyung
      @peachxtaehyung 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Ipromiseyounobodyismadwhat??? What makes you say that??

    • @peachxtaehyung
      @peachxtaehyung 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Totally agree op!!! Thank you! I'm a straight woman, christian (baptist) and I'm a huge LGBTQIA+ community ally!

    • @Terminallyposessed
      @Terminallyposessed 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Ipromiseyounobodyismadthere's different kinds of christians dawg--

    • @olaraa
      @olaraa 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Ipromiseyounobodyismad A Christian is a person who believes in the holy trinity, and that Christ died and rose up again for people's sins. Whether Christians actually follow what the Bible says about loving and respecting one another regardless of belief or existence, is a whole 'nother topic.

  • @alexanderfossbrnd8287
    @alexanderfossbrnd8287 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I don't hate LADY

  • @kendelaigarner2174
    @kendelaigarner2174 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can you do a video about Orange Caramel?

  • @JiaPia3
    @JiaPia3 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Evangeline puts out the best content. She always looks into such interesting stories. I love her, and I love her channel. I wish she would interact with us, but she might be afraid of parasocial stuff. I definitely get that.

    • @peachxtaehyung
      @peachxtaehyung 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      How does she not interact with us?? She does quizzes, she hearts and replies to some comments etc

  • @atherisGAY
    @atherisGAY 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I found you watching your dance video shorts and really enjoyed them! I was really hesitant to click on this video because I am a member of LGBTQ .. my worries were unfounded, thank you for your careful wording 🌈 ❤

  • @alex_putsyouinyourplace
    @alex_putsyouinyourplace 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I probably would have supported the group if there wasn't any body shaming and the company wasn't promoting them wrong, such as making them do photoshoots that were later posted on p*rn sites. And if they weren't band from music shows

  • @mccnshyyne
    @mccnshyyne 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Their song attention is so good but the only versions i can find of it the quality is potato 😭😭😭. I wish i had a HQ version to listen to

  • @danoswald8099
    @danoswald8099 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    good stuff and great info as always!!!

  • @rainbowow5060
    @rainbowow5060 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Fascinating video as usual!

  • @PinterestVlogs
    @PinterestVlogs 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks for information ❤

  • @justwatchingvideosLA
    @justwatchingvideosLA 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Reminds me of that anime “Back Street Girls” IYKYK

  • @lsgoh2357
    @lsgoh2357 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Another great video!

  • @Pabuwu
    @Pabuwu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for your research! Love this series

  • @AntonioGG1-9801
    @AntonioGG1-9801 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    First 😂!