GH5 2.7 Firmware Update - GH5 vs a6400 Autofocus Test!
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- In this video I will be testing the autofocus of the Panasonic GH5 with the new 2.7 firmware update. While this firmware wasn't intended for autofocus improvements, I got asked on what my thoughts are with the 2.7 firmware update for the Panasonic GH5. I will be comparing the GH5 vs the Sony a6400 to show how the autofocus is on the GH5 now. I hope you enjoy the video! Thanks for watching!
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What did everyone think of the GH5 vs the a6400 in terms of autofocus and colors??
12-35 had a much clearer image and the color was outstanding 👏
Good to know! Thank you so much for the input and for watching!
i got gh5 for 3 years but i love sony colours!
Luke Mendis nice! It’s one of those cameras that is hard to let go haha. Thanks for watching!
I'm currently shooting with the G85. I think the GH5 has better overall looking and for the content I'm making, the autofocus speed doesn't really matter. If the GH6 will be released with better autofocus for a reasonable price, I might consider buying that or maybe a cheaper second-hand GH5. I've already invested in a few M43 lenses (Leica 8-18mm, Leica 12-60mm, Lumix 25mm f/1.7) so a full system change would not be cheap. :)
That looks like a huge improvement! Great video! Thank you for the effort you put into your videos! Very informative!
Sure is! Thanks for the kind words. It’s really appreciated and I’m glad you are enjoying the content!
The focus was not bad at all. I'm surprised too.
It's definitely come a long way! I feel like it still hunts and pulses here and there, but is still usable. Thanks for watching!
I think the greater depth of field helped the GH5.
Impressive that they are still updating the GH5. I'll never trust the autofocus - but I'm glad they're still looking to improve
Can’t fault them for trying to improve! The hardware isn’t there for good autofocus, but maybe we will see something different in the GH6!
2.7 had nothing to do with AF
@@RicoResolves true. But I’m saying there will never be an update of any kind that will fix the autofocus. I’m happy that they are updating things they CAN fix.
I have the Lumix S5, and for talking head stuff, I'm actually quite surprised at the new firmware update. Compared against my A7iii, the image quality, sharpness, and overall "feel" of the image straight out of the camera seem way better on the S5, and after a few tweaks to the AF (I use Speed 0, Sens -3) I'm able to use it comfortably with no issues.
@@OurFantasyLife The S5 does seem to have much better autofocus. It’s such a great camera. Might be the best value camera period.
GH5 colors FTW!
(camera brands are crazy...sony = king of auto focus, Panny = king of value and longevity, Canon = best color science overall.)
haha I think you're right on Bob! Thanks for watching!
Almost. In Tony Northrup's blind test among 1500 photographers, Canon was one of the worst for colours. Even pros picked Sony more cos it's more neutral. Canon's nice and fairytale like. Great for Instagram though.
With the GH5, I feel I get the most all around value for the price. I'm a bit jealous of Sony's autofocus, low-light capability, slow motion and dynamic range. (Revision, didn't know the a6400 was so affordable, will research it more now)
where is Nikon ?
@@breathlessrider Nikon is fantastic for studio work in a controlled environment, but I don’t personally know anyone these days that is still on Nikon. I actually know more people that have Fujifilm cameras than Nikon lately.
The autofocus of the GH5 seems to be sufficiently good (with the tested firmware) if you know what you are doing as a filmmaker. What I like with the GH5 is the plethora of video features. And let us not forget the cheaper and smaller lenses. I also like the open gate feature. Therefore a perfect beginner video camera in 2023 if your budget is below $1000.
I was really just focusing on the GH5 auto focus to see it improved. It's really just a problem sometimes and isn't as fast as other cameras. I use the af lock button which helps out a lot.
It sure does! I use it too haha Thanks for watching!
Not much in it. Colours were mind bending on the Lumix though!
Seems like most people prefer the colors from the GH5 more as well. Thanks for watching!
Think you should have done this with 2 GH5s one with the frimware update and one without.
Very happy to say that the GH5 with the update preformed much better than expected so tomorrow I'm doing two things, picking up my new 12-35 f.28 lens and installing the update, thanks
No problem! I hope you like the 12-35mm, it's a really handy lens and my most used. Thanks for watching!
Fab stuff Jake, very clearly explained and helps me with my GH5 … thanks
Great video! I used the Sigma f/1.8 zooms on my GH5 for a year, then I switched to the 10-25mm f/1.7 and the 42.5mm f/1.7. I'm impressed with autofocus. I still don't trust it fully either and still do manual focus on important stuff but I'm glad Panasonic is making the best out of contrast detection and it does work for some quick run and gun stuff. All they need now is something else to help it along like even primitive phase detection. Looking forward to the GH6, rooting for Panasonic here!
I'm looking forward to the GH6 as well. If they can make this much improvement with contrast detection autofocus, I would love to see what they could do with another system! Thanks for watching!
The colors on the GH5 alone are fire. Sure, the autofocus is a bit slower and unpredictable, but I think it looks so much better than the A6400 personally.
I would have to agree. Autofocus is the one missing piece that Panasonic needs. Thanks for watching!
The colours only depend on which preset you pick. Unless you're shooting RAW video, you have to pick a picture profile, which are in-camera presets.
I agree, I'm thinking of getting the GH5 even though it's an older model just because the images seem consistently cinematic.
Nice video, Jake. Thanks for the comparisons. A6400 was better, but GH5 has made improvements.
As a youtuber, I've seen you grow this channel quickly! 1K is a lot of subs. Any tips for me to improve my channel? Thank you!
Thanks for the input and kind words! I think the most important tip I could give to anyone is trying to post as consistent as possible. If this means taking a week or two off of uploading to have a back stock of videos then go for it. This allows you to be able to work ahead at a more relaxed pace. Second I recommend trying to make content around a topic that is highly searched. I know everyone says this, but I feel like this is one of the biggest reasons that I was able to grow my channel a little. Some tools to use for this is Tubebuddy or VidIQ and searching topic ideas and seeing the score they spit out for you based on how much it’s searched. I hope this helps and thanks for watching!
@@JakeMcHugh Awesome! Good tips. I will try those tools, thank you!
thanks for the video. A6400 distroyed the gh5 but through your video i found out it wasn't that bad especially outside. In your studio it wasn't close
Hallo! How did you get such correct and thick colour from A6400 6:00??? I had 6300 and sold it becoise of terrible colours . Thnaks
Sony better at autofocus for sure (though I do have to say, when you leave the frame, the Sony brings that background into focus in a really jarring way). Nevertheless, I would consider the autofocus on the GH5 quite good at this point.
I agree with everything you said! The GH5 has come a long ways. Can't wait to see what Panasonic does next. Thanks for watching!
Damn. This is great. Dusted off my GH5 over the weekend and was pretty disappointed with AF. Checked and I'm only running 2.4. Hoping to see the same improvements. This video makes the GH5 look super competent
It’s definitely worth a shot! The 2.6 firmware really made the biggest improvement for autofocus on this camera. I don’t trust it 100% yet, but it is becoming useable in a few situations. Thanks for watching!
Have you seen a difference with the new firmware?
@@chloescanlon1107 It's definitely better, but it's still no Canon/Sony. To be sure of my coverage in the edit I definitely still need at least 2 takes. In my current edit the GH5 seemed to struggle when my head was not 100% in frame or when my hands got in front of the lens. :-/
If the GH6 doesn't fix it I'll probably move on from MFT. For solo folks I now realize how essential autofocus is.
V good video, plz advice me best camera for wedding videography under 1500$ without overheating issue,used or new one, pls reply.
Thanks for this comparison, it's really helpful. As much as I love the cinematic look of the GH5, and the price, I think I'll end up splashing out for a full frame Sony or Canon.
Thanks for watching! I think for the money the GH5 is very hard to beat and gets you about half of what the newer cameras offer granted the full frame is a big advantage for some. It’s great to have the options we have.
@@JakeMcHugh We are living in the golden age of affordable cameras that's for sure. Come a long way since I majored in film at uni 25 years ago! We were the first year that didn't have to physically cut film!
Unfortunately the image of the GH5 pulsed at 3:52 minutes confirming that the autofocus is unreliable. Regarding the Sony 6400 I was surprised by the colors; as for autofocus Sony is unbeatable.
Yeah unfortunately I think we will have to wait and see how the autofocus is on the GH6 because it won’t quiet be reliable just yet on the GH5. The first time I used the Sony I was blown away with its autofocus. Speaking of the colors, this was shot with no picture profile on the Sony. I find I get really quick and nice results when doing this rather than shooting LOG on it. Thanks for watching!
Hi Jake, Thanks a lot for this video and thanks too for doing it as I asked you to!
I agree with you. Gh5’s autofocus is not as good as Sony’s and most probably, despite of any future upgrade, never will. However, no one can disagree that the improvement is utterly outstanding! Also, I am very surprised, on top of really happy as a GH5 user, that Panasonic is still working with its upgrades! I hope they keep going it!!
The autofocus has remarkably improved, YES, The Sony autofocus is better and probably always will be, compared with the GH5, YES... but that the value for money of the gh5 is unbeatable , (I bought mine pristine condition with Leica 12-60mm for 1.3k) is TOTALLY out of e question! And for me, it is good enough... (hopefully more upgrades will arrive and will keep helping a bit)
Thanks again Jake! 👌
No problem! Thanks for the idea! I agree with you, while the GH5’s autofocus is sub par to other companies, it is a much better value proposition.
Great vjdeo... I have both cameras as well as an a6600. The focus on the sony is without a doubt delicious... don't get it twisted. The gh5 is not as easy for self shooting but its a beast with an atomos for 4k... not your point though. 6400 wins all day... as all sony will when it comes to auto focus. TH-cam content creating is all about the auto focus. Filmmaking used to be all about the manual focus... that sadly may be a "back in my day" thing. If you have a gh5 and want to make a film.. keep it. If you want to make videos sell it and buy a 64/6600 for the money its fair. A7s3 is the target. You can get the best of all worlds. Video "Film" making and TH-cam stuff.
Exactly! I feel like Panasonic targets more of the “filmmaker” market and Sony is for the Content Creator like you mentioned. Thanks for watching!
Another question that must be raised is, are you a read head or auburn? Which can is truer to your hair color?
Anybody know if this fixes the issue of the gh5 not showing on the monitor when plugged into the ronin gimbal with an external monitor?
The auto focus on the GH5 seems to work well enough. I use manual focus whenever I'm in tricky focus situation anyways, no matter what camera I'm using. Great testing, and thanks for sharing.
Totally agree with when to use it. Thanks for watching!
So of course the GH5 is not as good as the Sony when compared side to side but I think it was good enough. Plus Panasonic offers a lot of other features and video specs that the Sony can’t match. Unless you want to spend $3500 for the a7siii.
You nailed it on the head here. I think the Sony a7IV is going to be the camera that really splits it down the middle between the current offerings from Sony and the A7sIII. Just curious, but was the pulsing from the lamp noticeable or distracting at all? Thanks for watching!
Jake McHugh yeah I am curious about the upcoming A7iv but I feel like that is going to be more expensive at around the $2499 mark to compete with the Canon R6. And to be honest, I didn’t really notice the pulsing lamp until you pointed it out. I was more focused on the subject rather than looking around at the background. I think a lot of people specifically look for pulsing when they know the video was shot on a Panasonic. Unless the main subject is pulsing in and out of focus, I don’t find it to be that big of a deal, personally.
Good to know! Thank you!
Not so a test about autofocus than color rendering, textures & resolution, at the end. Thx.
come on , M43 is dead , look at Panasonic S5 with 2060 kit lens , that compact kills the future of M43, and no need to mention the expensiveness of native Panasonic fast prime lens , i would still use the speedbooster with Sigma 1835f1.8 instead. good bye M43
Maybe that is the case, I guess we will see with the GH6. The thing with the S5 that puts me off is the 30 minute record limit. Along with that I feel like the lens options aren't as develop as the other options out on the market. Either way, Thanks for watching!
It still has potential, but I do agree it's on the verge of death. Right now, the only way to save it is have extremely ground-breaking specs.
It must have at least 10 bit 444 internally, or 12 bit 420 internally for the GH6, or it's not going to make a large enough splash. Sony brought out the big guns to crush Canon, and I assume the A7iv is already completed. They're just waiting for a real competitor to appear before tweaking it to crush them.
The S5 was almost good. But the tiny micro HDMI? That's a deal-breaker. For a camera marketed with external raw coming, and on a micro HDMI, it's sad.
If it was a full size HDMI I would agree, the GH5 would look worthless against the S5.
Yeah the autofocus is faster and more accurate on the Sony but I found my gh5 to be a lot better at autofocus since the 2.6 update I haven't tried the 2.7 yet, plus it has a lot of other possibilities that the Sony doesn't have, I have mine mounted in a smallrig cage with top handle and a Atomos ninja V, the Ninja helps me a lot when focusing with autofocus or manually pulling focus as I don't have 20/20 vision and that larger screen really helps me a lot plus the 1000 nits brightness when outdoors on a sunny day is amazing, with autofocus it's great for slow moving stuff but if there's any kind of faster action manual is the only way to go
Nice! I always wanted to try the Ninja V with my GH5. Thanks for watching!
I don't anything else to worry about when shooting. Good AF is important. You can correct color but not focus. I would never buy a Panasonic camera until they get a hybrid autofocus system that works. That is the only thing that holds me back from the brand.
Yes, I know what you mean. I used to double and triple check to make sure I was in focus when shooting the talking heads with my GH5. Now with my Sony I don’t even have to check it to begin with and it just makes the process much more seamless. The GH5 is way better in so many different ways, it’s just its autofocus that lacks, which is a big factor for some. Thanks for watching!
@@JakeMcHugh I've never understood why they don't have it. Seems like an awful marketing decision.
Looks like, at further distances, the autofocus isn't as sharp as on the GH5 but definitely a step up from before the firmware update. All in all, the sony is much faster and sharper and the GH5 is better but still very far behind alternative cameras. Still love my gh5 :)
It’s still an amazing camera for the money going into 2021. I’m excited to see what they may replace it with though!
I appreciate the video comparison but shouldn't you have tried shooting at the same apertures? You had the Panasonic at f2.8 and the Sony at 1.8 🤔
I get what you are saying, but like I stated in the video the widest lens I had that wasn’t adapted had an aperture of f2.8 and along with that I stated that the Sony would technically be at a disadvantage being at F1.4, but given how great the autofocus is with the Sony it still beat the GH5 while having a shallower depth of field. The results wouldn’t have been different if the GH5 was shooting at F1.4 or if the a6400 was shooting at F2.8. The Sony is better regardless. Thanks for watching!
@@JakeMcHugh The autofocus of the GH5 is better than it was before but that focus breathing is terrible. I have always loved the snappiness & reliability of Sony's autofocus, which is why I ditched Panasonic and own Sony cameras now lol
I am using gh5
Nice! How do you like it?
Thanks for this, is the Panasonic G9 a good camera. On paper it looks pretty good compare to the gh5.
are you shooting flat with the gh5?
The A6400 seemed to focus faster
Hi Jake THANKS FOR DOING THESE 2.7 TESTS .
The GH5 v2.6 does not pulse hardly at all with the mft version of the sigma 16mm and beats any Panasonic lens i have used in auto and face tracking wise . very smooth , so really this test is a bit unfair lol , but saying that the Sony would still beat the gh5 on most of either native lenses Sony or Pany , i use -1 speed and 0 sensitivity mostly with 16mm on gh5 , and on a side note although the G9 is a bit better on most pany lenses the gh5 2.6 beats it for less pulsing by far especially the 2.5 14mm Pany and the 16mm Sigma as the gh5 can be adjusted , the g9 does not have speed or sensitivity settings , but the g9 is slightly better for Auto focus photos than GH5 , cheers for your videos
PS i don,t use quick auto focus as its not for video but photos , i was told . and i have never found it makes any difference in video in many testing i have done , cheers , and the gh5 is working easily smooth enough now at ver 2.6 that i would never trade it with its smooth ibis just to get a slight better auto focus , the GH5 also has so many areas that its good at , its even fine as a vloging camera with the light Olympus 12mm f2 or the 14mm 2.5 or the 8/18 2.8 arm stamina allowing lol , cheers again .
That is interesting, I used the sigma 16mm f1.4 at one point on my GH5 and I found it to struggle quite a bit, but this could be because of my settings possibly. I do love that 14mm f2.5 pancake lens and find that as an amazing value for the money. Thanks for watching!
@@JakeMcHugh CHEERS , it does not beat the latest Sony's but is very steady now especially with the 16mm 1.4 , i don't get that annoying back ground pulsing when set to -2 -2 .
So when you tried it , were you using 2.6 firmware as it was a big improvement on mine , and thanks for your reply . any ways it was good enough to stop any temptation to change to the phase detect latest Olympus em1 mk 2 or 3 or em5 mk 3 , chow
@@minorrhoads5318 I tried -2, -2 settings that you mentioned, and the autofocus settings on AFS, and haven't noticed that "searching" for focus effect that was here before the update. I think it helps tremendously! Thank you. I will need to do more field testing, but so far looks very promissing
@@konstantinlapshin5010 That's great Konstantin , well glad it helped a lot , thanks for sharing .
I would have loved to see how it performed in VLOG (less contrast) and low light.
Good idea! I may have to make a video with this in mind in the future. Thanks for watching!
I still haven't spent the money for the V-log upgrade, kinda annoys me that it's a paid extra lol
@Simble Things Same here. I started with Cinelike D, but now use Natural mostly. Gets the job done for me right now
@@JakeMcHugh using natural here too, I find it's great once white balanced correctly. I rarely have to adjust in post.
I am a gh5 user as there is no other option .
What do you use your GH5 all for?? Thanks for watching!
The gh5 image looks good. In have a g9 I do want a gh5 tho
That would be an excellent A and B camera setup! I always wanted to try the G9 haha. Thanks for watching!
@@JakeMcHugh awesome video sir! Just out of curiosity, why would you want a GH5 and the G9? They are so close now with the G9 updates I am curious to see why you would need both. I know the GH5 has the all intra codec and no limits on video record times, but other than that they are nearly identical, with the G9 even possibly having the edge in autofocus and stabilization.
Great Job. I was just about to start a video on the GH5S firmware update, and test the autofocus on it as well.
Thank you! I have heard that the autofocus on the GH5s is a little better in general than the GH5 so it'll be interesting to hear your results. Thanks for watching!
GH5 failed to focus on you a few times when you were middle distance but I think for things where you have a bit of time... Idk. Interesting and helpful video. 👍
6:35 AF sucks on the backside, has hard time focusing on the greenery, while the GH5 is spot on.
Nice test ! What do you think about filming fast moving cars with GH5 ?
Damn. Very comprehensive test. This helps a lot Jake.
Surprisingly. GH5 is doing pretty good though.. Looks like it wasn't by design or a hardware limitation that GH5 did not perform good in autofocus but a firwmware level behaviour... looks like Panasonic hired better Devs
a6400 the winner.. but gh5 skin tone is the best
The A6400 closeup focus is awful. The first couple of minutes, I was thinking "I hope that's not the GH5 he's recording on right now", it wasn't.
This little test doesn't prove much because you've got pretty much everything in focus anyway... you need to reshoot this with the iris wide open for a shallower DOF.
so, beside 12-32mm, there isnt much update for anything else?
im so satisfied with my gh5 performance, traded with a6500.
The color, like shown on video, is far way better than sony's. And since firmware 2.6, now i can use autofocus during night time, whereas before, it was unusable.
Yeah pretty much. It wasn’t much of an update, but I had a request to test the autofocus anyway. The improvement made with the 2.6 update was impressive. It would be nice to see what they could do with something other than contrast detect autofocus!
The gh5 looks quite good. Not as fast as the a600 but very adequate
Yeah it surprisedly not that bad. It really turn the corner after the 2.6 update. Thanks for watching!
In this video,you just prove that The myth is true....
Panasonic just need to fix one thing to have the perfect camera on the GH5.... they still refuse to do it, can you imagine the Gh5 with the auto focus you showed here the Sony has? GH5 is superior but the lack of reliable auto focus is the major problem for some people. I'm a GH5 owner and I film manual focus, but I wish they change the contrast based auto focus and implement something that really works. That focus hunting all the time was distracting!
Exactly. I can’t imagine how many cameras they would sell if they came out with a camera like the GH5 with reliable autofocus around $2k. Thanks for watching!
Just imagine for a second, if they did fix the autofocus. Would anyone ever buy an upgrade to the gh5? It's so god damn good even in 2020, especially given that you can buy it used under 1k. Nothing comes close 2nd for this money, for this specific niche of people.
@@konstantinlapshin5010 If so, I think you would have to wait a good few years before you can find something on the market that is close to comparable for the price it is right now. I don't think the technology is there to make it happen, but if they can make it happen on the GH6 it would be a game changer for Panasonic! Thanks for watching!
so GH5 was in 24 or 30p? From all test videos I have see GH5 had better performance at 50/60p - did you test also this frame rate?
The GH5 was in 24fps for this video. I only tested in this frame rate so the video wasn’t 20 minutes long. I haven’t test in any of the frame rates above 30fps, but I could see it possibly being better liked you mentioned since 30fps is night and day to 24fps and my old G85 always autofocus better in 60fps in my experience as well. Thanks for watching!
Thank you
Hi, nice video. I have the Lumix G X Vario PZ 14-42mm F3.5-5.6 Asph Power OIS lens and using the camera for underwater video. But i am very much in doubt what focus settings to use. Can anyone give me some advise? FYI i cannot touch the screen once under water.
I would either use the One Area focus mode with an f stop of f4 or higher depending on the depth of field you want or use manual focus mode and program the AF/AE Lock button for push button autofocus. The manual mode would be the safer bet if you have access to the button with the waterproof housing. I hope this helps!
so here is the QUESTION which one to buy ? i have offer about the same 900-1000 usd for body what to take ....i want these for mostly video HELP ME GUYS thank you
Funny you should mentioned that as I have a more recent video comparing the two here: th-cam.com/video/fWeD0lHT5wk/w-d-xo.html
I highly recommend checking it out as I breakdown the pros and cons to each camera and go over which one is best based on the content you intend to create. I hope this helps and thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video, learnt a lot. Still deciding what to buy, camcorder canon XF400 or GH5.
Glad I could help! Thats a tough decision I feel. I think it depends on your style of shooting or what you want in a camera. I don't know a whole lot about the Canon, but I would say that the autofocus would be much better along with the audio since it comes with two XLR inputs. The Canon comes basically rigged out while the GH5 is more compact and would be more inconspicuous. The GH5 could also be rigged out if you'd like which gives you the best of both worlds in that regard. From what I can tell the GH5 would have better image quality and the ability to swap lenses is nice. I hope this helps you out a little bit and thanks for watching!
The Sony A6600 is faster in terms of the Auto Focus. The GH5 was slower, but not much in it. The colours from the GH5 are much better than the A6600.
The autofocus on the a6400 is truly impressive. I can’t imagine if the GH5 had the same autofocus system. It would be close to the perfect camera minus its smaller sensor. Thanks for watching!
I noticed some some low light situations confuse the sony a6400 other then that its lighting fast. The panasonic g7 used to be my favorite camera i pretty much only used manual focus lenses got tired of the auto focus never working all that great in the panasonic.
I feel you. You can get some really cool manual focus lenses for the money. I don't really mess with autofocus ever on the GH5. If anything I use Push Button AF when running and gunning when using the 12-35mm. Thanks for watching!
Autofocus still doens't look great. I hate the pulsing it produces.
Yeah the technology isn’t there for it to focus without pulsing I think unfortunately. I like my GH5 for what it is and feel the same about the Sony as well. Thanks for watching!
Sony was definitely better, but the GH5 surprisingly held its own now! I wonder if this update is based on the new face detection system from the S5 which allows it to get fairly snappy focus even though it's still contrast-based?
I’m not exactly sure, but I can tell you that ever since the 2.6 firmware update it’s been night and day with this camera. Like you mentioned it’s not Sony level quite yet, but for just TH-cam content you could get away with it I feel. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the test! The colours look very different also. What kind of settings you have found best for the skin tones with the GH5 ?
I recently have been using Natural more and playing around with the settings inside that profile. Before that I was using Cinelike D, but I did a video comparing the two! What do you think of the colors from the GH5 in this video?? Thanks for watching!
Gh5 is a much better looking image
Looks like a real human with blood in the veins
Thank you, Good to know! Thanks for watching!
I've personally always preferred a more "cool" image, so I like the Sony look more.
It's getting good, but not quite there yet. I feel like there's only a few ways DFD is going to compete with Hybrid AF or PDAF is for the camera to emulate the final 2 pulses in software without moving the lens elements.
- The sensors/processing needs to be powerful enough to identify distance down to the last millimetre, so lens elements can be moved precisely.
- The last 2 checks would be based on how each lens profile defocuses or focuses at various focal lengths. So they kinda have to map out how every lens creates a "gaussian blur" effect from focusing. And apply that virtually in camera without the viewer knowing, in order to check for the final 2 pulses.
- TLDR Basically instead of checking physically, check against a gaussian blur table that can be cross-referenced internally via computational photography.
Another way could be to brute force things, stuff the GH6 with 3 or maybe even 4 processors. 2 processors entirely dedicated to DFD calculations. I heard it operates somewhere around 480Hz right now, so if they ran the algorithim at maybe 1Khz, or 1.5Khz, and instead of having 2 pulses to check focus, make it like 10 or 20 steps front and back. That will smooth out the final adjustments instead of a 3 step jerking motion. Regardless it's still waay too inefficient, and it's about time Panny engineers stop being stubborn and just learn how to make PDAF.
Or kidnap a few engineers from Olympus.
Yeah thats one thing I never understood. Both Olympus and Panasonic have the same format and Olympus was able to figure it out so why didn't Panasonic? Anyway, I guess will have to see what the GH6 brings to the table. Thanks for watching!
I'm voting ninja update. I found I got away with it on a few shoots recently. 0 / 0 on the settings, one area, largish box. Vlogging with it, I complete get away with the AF, but, inside with lights in the BG or items in frame, the pulsing is really apparent. Maybe that's what throws it off the most, light will be a point of contrast and its constantly checking to see if that's something to focus on and pulsing!
Very well could be! Like you mentioned it's the most noticeable when there are lights in the background, otherwise it's not so bad. Thanks for watching!
Sony colors are much more natural. Not sure if is the lens or the kind of focus used but seemed to me that focus of Sony was on front of your hair instead of your eyes ( outside )
The focus was set to face detection, but it could have very well been focusing on my hair. With such a shallow depth of field anything is possible I guess haha. Thanks for watching!
I like GH5
It’s a great camera that’s for sure. Thanks for watching!!!
panny is better camera overall than sony of course in all terms exept autofocus ..6400 doesn't have even ibis and that can't be ignored..imagine if panny had autofocus same as sony..
Man if the GH5 had Sony's Autofocus system I think stores would have a hard time keeping them in stock. Fingers crossed that this is something they will fix in the GH6. Thanks for watching!
What is your mic setup? It sounds really good, Ty!
Thank you! For the studio shots I was using the Samson CO2 and for the outside shots I was using the Behringer Xm8500. Both recorded into the Zoom H4N Pro and then I synced in post. Thanks for watching!
@@JakeMcHugh wow a lot of effort but it pays off. Do you treat your room?
Haha syncing in post is fairly easy in Final Cut Pro. Just a few clicks and you are good to go. As far as sound treatment, I have some moving blankets hanging up and for the money it does help quite a bit in my opinion. I did a video here showing how well they work: th-cam.com/video/BdfxwgUeCTY/w-d-xo.html
I hope this helps!
There's a feature on the GH5 which most people havent realised concerning the autofocus. In as much as it sucks sometimes, there's built into it an intelligent algorithm that memorizes subjects that are in autofocus. After it autofocuses on a particular subject for a while, it memorizes it and speeds up the process of focusing on it when it appears again. Its a slow process but if Panasonic should get it right, it will be a useful feature which could end up working faster than phase detection.
Thats really interesting! Thanks for the info! In some of the S5 reviews I saw the box for Face/Eye Detection seemed to track really well on the flip out screen, but the camera at times would still hunt or pulse a little. I think the algorithm they have created for autofocus is getting there and once they decide to take what they have and possibly move it into another system than DFD it could be really good. Thanks for watching!
@@JakeMcHugh Yes i totally agree with you Jake. I can really understand what Panasonic is trying to do with a ground breaking technology in auto focusing with AI. they will get there soon. I'm banking my hopes on the GH6. I believe the GH6 will be Panasonic's answer to the A7sIII
How does that work?is that a setting to create your own "practice thing"
It seams like the GH5 was doing a better job on the field. It had some little offs but look better the focus.
Yes, the GH5 was quicker to find focus on the background and I think this is because it pulses/hunts more with the DFD autofocus system. Otherwise the Sony was quicker on catching my face. Thanks for watching!
Which color profile you used on the Gh5? Was natural?
Yes sir! I like how it handles the skintones better than Cinelike D!
the autofocus of gh5 seems fine if you fixed it. but I kinda wonder its performance of handheld vlogging and walking
oh this one did the test th-cam.com/video/pVFSaqpa-wg/w-d-xo.html, thanks
No problem! Glad I could help!
Looks not bad except for the pulsing on the high contrast light...
Unfortunately I don’t think there’s a way to get rid of the pulsing otherwise they are on the right track. I’ll be sticking to manual focus on my GH5 moving forward still I think. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for sharing this information on the firmware updates, and the improvements to auto-focus.
You bet Ron!
while keeping the gh5 in continuous af, can you temporarily override it bt manually focusing by touchscreen, so as to make quick correction to the focus when seeing its off? also, is the af better if, in addition to your settings here, you add Luca Bono's recent fix and YodaYeo's fix too?
Yes, you can override it using the touch screen and or by using the push button AF on the back of the camera while in AFC. I have played around with 179° shutter angle and haven't really seen that much of a difference. That fix kinda went away after one of the last firmware updates. I have only played around a little bit with Luca's fix and it's interesting. I will have to test it more before I can say it's better or not. I'm waiting to see if I can get a wider faster native lens than what I used in this video. Just remember he is using face detection and I'm using one area. I have always found one area to be more consistent with the GH5, but that might change after using his fix. I hope this helps and thanks for watching!
@@JakeMcHugh thanx for your thorough response.
Face detection was always a mess but when it comes to serious work I use the manual Focus :)
I would too! I think manual focus is always the way to go and autofocus is more for online content. Thanks for watching!
great video, but im curious about the pulsing background? even when your face is in focus you can still see it (look at your lamp) I have the same issue with my gh5 and it drives me nuts, never had that issue before. what are your recommendations to correct that?
Well the best way to get rid of it is to shoot manual, but if you still wanted to continue to use autofocus I would maybe try setting the AF Sensitivity lower that way it’s not trying to focus on other objects so hard. It’s the nature of the beast when it comes to the DFD autofocus system unfortunately. Thanks for watching!
Try AF Speed 0 / Sens -3 or -4.
Hi, im using second gh5 which has vlog l installed, am i gonna lose it if update firmware?
I don’t think you would, but to be honest I’m not 100% sure as I do not have Vlog on my camera. I would see if there’s a way when you export the serial code onto an SD card if it somehow has the activation code saved on there or if there’s a way you can see it from the activation list and write it down before upgrading the firmware. I hope someone with first hand experience could chime in on this for you. Thanks for watching!
@@JakeMcHugh thanks😊
You'd think f/1.4 wide open would have an easier time tracking since there would be a lot more contrast of the subject compared to surrounding areas.
Could be the case, but usually I find cameras struggle more at faster F stops. Especially with the GH5. Once you get around f3.2-3.5 it’s a lot better. Thanks for watching!
@@JakeMcHugh could be a phase detection vs contrast detection thing.
That definitely plays a role as well
While logic is sound in simple terms
Its really not , the larger dof offered by the f2.8 ( 5,6 ff equiv ) is a lot easier to manage than the f1.4 ( 2.2 ff equiv )
Because while it might "track" better , racking the focus in with the depth is the issue - "tracking" is never hard , its adjusting it in depth thats always hard
"Tracking" like any machine vision just compares the neighbouring pixels and at points the bokeh may even reduce the contrast afforded in the background , such as mushing in 2 different tree branch into a single bokehfied entity
In this case it is afforded a larger depth of field , way larger yet still loses to the razor sharp dof one
Forget the auto focus for a minute, the colours of the Sony are terrible
for the running, did you use tracking mode there?
No, just One Area on the GH5 and face detection on the a6400. Hope this helps and thanks for watching!
@@JakeMcHugh wow awesome results! thanks a lot. idid get some quite good results using facedetection mode as well.
Plz if you can make video showing us how to update because iam new in this world
It would be a little tough now that all of my cameras are up to date, but I could help walk you through it.
First, you will want a clean (formatted) SD card and a full camera battery. You will need to go to this link here on your computer and download the zip file to your SD card.
www.panasonic.com/global/consumer/lumix/gh5_firmware.html
After you have the file on the SD card you can then insert the card into your camera and turn it on. Once the camera is on you will then hit the playback button like you were going to review your photos or video. It will then ask you “Start version up” and you just have to click yes!
It’s one of those things that the first time you do it seems tough, but after doing so you will get the hang of it in no time! I hope this helps you out and thanks for watching!
@@JakeMcHugh Thank you so much
I am stil at 2.6 and gh 5 af is good enough for me
Nice! The 2.6 firmware update was really the turning point for the autofocus on this camera! Granted I don't think many GH5 users are the type to rely on autofocus for their work. Thanks for watching!
Panasonic has the video tools others cameras don't have. However Panasonic expects you to always be behind the camera. Not in front. I've heard the faster the fps the better the autofocus ?
I agree. I think that most of Panasonic's market is more "filmmakers," but with the new S5 and the G100 they made those cameras for more content creators so I think they see the value in that marketshare and will continue to work on their autofocus at some point. Thanks for watching!
@@JakeMcHugh I'm excited to see the new cameras that are supposed to be coming out. I do like mft. I just picked up a gx85 do to it's size. Kinda like a a6xxx camera
Me too! I’m really excited to see what happens. How do you like your GX85? I haven’t used one, but it seems like a really nice little camera.
@@JakeMcHugh I've seen that gx85 bit recently there appears to be a surge of new videos on it. At 497 with 2 Lens kit. Possibly the best deal around. I'm going to use it as bcam and also for photography. I'm totally impressed with built quality. Also impress it came with latest firmware from 2019. Also eligible for 3 year warranty extension. It's still a valid production model. Also no record limit.
Funny you say that because I have noticed the surge as well haha. It is a really good deal and the no record limit is huge! I hope you enjoy it!
honestly nobody is still waiting for GH5 AF fix. It is not going to work. Either wait to see if GH6 will get a PDAF or switch to SONY FUJI CANON. GH5 is not going to be reliable because it doesn't have the technology.
The head going side to side is killing me. I can’t watch your videos man😞
BTW, shooting at 24 fps for online content is epicaly stupid. 60hz is the most common screen and 24 does not divide evently into 60. you can use the SAME shutter speed at 30 fps (1/24 s)
Great choice of words over there... motivating words ;)
You should submit your feedback to Netflix and Hollywood.
I don't know about you but my old Samsung TV (1080p) with an Nvidia Shield TV, both devices detect 24 fps and the TV changes to that mode (24 Hz) using a much more natural movement.
Gh5 colors look better though..