BG playing with fire. You can’t even become a RM without opening yourself up to the very real possibility of madness, possession, death… or the little death that brings obliteration.
Sometimes I cant help but wonder, with all the terrible risks all this genetic tampering unleashed, did they just trade one horror for another when they got rid of advanced machinery?
The point is that they don't mind the horror of a Kwizatz Haderach because someone with almost all of humanity's genetic memories will probably protect the species out of self preservation of their own genetics. A.I., on the other hand, can turn on humanity in an instant. Even the worst human villains in Dune (House Harkonnen, Bene Tleilax, Honored Matres) work towards human supremacy over the galaxy. The Bene Gesserit can just control them from behind the scenes.
One of the main themes of Dune is the dependence of man upon things (even his own constructs) leading to his enslavement to them. Man becomes enslaved to machines to think for him. He then becomes enslaved to religion and pseudo-religious organizations, e.g., the Bene Geserit. He becomes enslaved to government, e.g., the Emperor. He becomes enslaved to the spice melange for space travel. He becomes enslaved to prescience to help him navigate an uncertain future. He becomes enslaved to a messianic figures who can see past and future. It requires the God Emperor to shatter the shackles of these things that threaten to enslave mankind so man can be free once and for all.
Probably the best breakdown I've ever seen of this part of the storyline. Only thing I could add is that it seems like Frank took a lot of inspiration from psychology back back in the day (would have been fair new to people around him).
there's also a plot line in which leto II and ghanima goad alia in various ways to see what triggers abomination, as well as seeing first hand how abomination takes hold and expresses itself. they almost treat it like a game, balancing their need to get rid of alia with familial restraint (i.e. not going for the juggelar, instead letting alia sink down by herself). her eventual end comes at the hands of the twins as well, shortly after they draw out the baron ego for all to see. part of their motivation was to examine and decide on the subject of abomination. it's not until they themselves see the signs (and jessica confirms it) that they decide to go with the golden path.
Over my many decades pondering dune, its intricacies still intrigue me to this day. An observation ive made about the BeneG , they really put significant effort devoting countless years and fortunes facilitating the emergence of a being that is by practical definition incapable of being controlled. Not only were their major goals a gamble against the youse at best, they also maintained a gatekeeping position on spices further capabilities. In later novels its made clear that males can undergo spice change the very same way BeneG do, and excluding them was potentially a mistake. Males could have bridged gaps and made the politics of the breeding program significantly easier. A male could father a great many children with similar women allowing significantly more, thousands more lifetimes added to the already diverse othwr menory. Just a few thoughts.
Reading Children of Dune it was just shocking to me that no one even tried to help Alia at any point. Maybe it's because genetic memory is such a ridiculous concept and it's not clear why a memory wouldn't be static but would exist like an active independent creature somehow, but most of all the repetition of "abomination" really seemed like an attempt to disguise there being no earned reason why it was inevitable and fatal.
It's because those who unlock past memories also because hyper intelligent usually because of the huge amount of spice, Because they are just fetuses they can glitch with all the past memories shoved in them and what's worse is that it's both Female and Male.
@@crispysatyr0355 I can have a program on my computer but it needs to be running. It's not at all clear why these echoes would have independent will rather than running like java in a contained environment.
IIRC the BG don't use the water of life and the spice agony until after Leto's Peace. Until Lady Jessica the water of life was specific to fremen Reverend Mothers. The glossary specifically describes the process as using an "illuminating poison", but not specifically the water of life.
In terms of the movies (and mini series) we have only scratched the surface with the Dune lore. I've explored more of lore already but these presentations are great. I stopped reading reading in my early twenties but started listening to audiobooks during lockdown. I'm only beginning to explore these books more now.
but why does the reverend mother say: "abomenation' when paul atreides silences her with the voice, after he tells the emperor he will bomb the spice fields??
That’s a mental coping mechanism for her. She sees the Kwisatz Haderach before her-the final goal for which she and millions of other Bene Gesserit before her have struggled and sacrificed-and he’s not under their control, not doing what they want or conforming to their desires. To see things go so horribly wrong (by her standards, at least) is the shattering of her entire worldview, and so she seeks refuge in a convenient explanation: that Paul isn’t the Kwisatz Haderach after all, that despite his power he’s just a mistake that can be fixed or removed eventually, and that the real Kwisatz Haderach has yet to come.
@@Dawnrunner42 Ya, I never understood how they believed they could control such a powerful being. It's the same problem you run into with A.I. Eventually it's going to realize it's more powerful and better in certain aspects and either rebel against, dominate, or destroy you.
Man. did you get that wrong. A Reverend Mother surviving the spice agony gains access to her female ancestral memories, but is trained to handle them. Abomination is a fetus going through the agony, where the memories can overwhelm the unformed psyche of the unborn.
Paul received Bené Gesserit training. Not official per sé, but Lady Jessica "trained him in the Bené Gesserit way". Alia's is such a tragic tale. She had pre born status put upon her by no choice of her own. LadyJessica inflicted her, guaranteeing her to be ostracized, feared and detested. Then abandons her instead of helping her. Doomed to the shadow of her messianic brother, and her heretical, negligent mother.
The whole point of the eugenics is to create someone with the genes to react to spice that way. Most BG where part of it, like Jessica, and Paul had the genes and passed them to his children. Normal people wouldn't react to spice like this or would die from the concentration of spice on the Water of Life
Most people and especially fremen are not highly sensitive to spice. The books talk about the fremen having semi-prophetic dreams and such but nothing on the scale of true future sight. Also the water of life is exponentially stronger than spice, and immensely toxic, very high chance of death, and very unlikely any fetus would survive.
Yes it does. That's why they got a possession trial and judgment. Probably each century dozen of young freemen got executed and their water spilled into the sands.
@@HiDesert004 that’s a good point, it is fudeal, so I wonder what the average person and there rights are. But it think (the the Harkonens at least) slavery is a distinct system. We see them so casually killing slaves and Gurney we know was a slave specifically in slave pits before he was freed by the Atredeis, so I think slavery is its own system of people below the normal civilian.
I agree that this is an excellent summary discussing abomination. It really takes reading the books several times to catch all these nuances. Well done!
@@tbobbobs7606 The OP raises a good point, as in the book Paul says something like the givers (female) fear and can't see takers (men) and visa versa. I wonder if its because of her bloodline. Same parents as
@@stuartburns8657 The Kwisazt Haderach, the "male Bene Gesserit" could we say, has access to both genetic lineages. Alia's case is because of she's the Abomination.
I'm so glad that Dune is FINALLY getting some love. We've been on Star Wars since forever, Star Trek has been getting it's flowers since the 70s, hell, even A Song of Ice and Fire was given a tv adaption before Dune was given another chance. That's why I was so hesitant when I heard they were making Lord of the Ring movies cause I thought it was just going to be another Dune 1984 disaster that was going to hurt the entire genre of high fantasy and science fantasy but it's sucess did the opposite! Now we finally got the Dune that we deserved. I still think a tv series would've been better, but a high budget tv series, but beggers can't be choosers.
Abomination is the survival of an unprepared and untrained mind, ie: a fetus woken to consciousness and other memory allowing for the egos in that memory to take over the host.
i was wondering do you have a video about the specific effects of the scattering and what good did it really do? did it cause more harm than good? what did it lead to?
It flung humanity, along with the bloodline of Ghanima which makes them invisible to prescience to so many places that humanity can never go entirely extinct. It prevents Kralizec the whirlwind death at the end of the universe.
I do have a quetion. Why does Alia have the Baron's ego as she is not male. I thought only the Kwisatz is able to access BOTH family and gender timeline.
@@tokyo_taxi7835yeah, I also remember that Ghanima mentioned recalling the Gom Jabbar event that her father went through. Makes sense for pre-born to have both memories, since at the womb they are still in the "presence" of male genetic material in a way, idk
Didn't Frank Herbert think that Leto II and Ganima were both pre-born. Yet the Bene Gesseert did not label either one as Abomination. Only Paul's sister Alia.
It's not a plot device. It is one of the basic parts of the whole story. In the books. Seeing it as a plot device is missing the basics of the entire point of the story.
I feel sad, I think I discovered a major plothole in the whole Dune book by watching your video :( WARNING: POTENTIALLY RUINS DUNE FOR YOU: Ok so please tell me I'm wrong, but in the subject of the Bene Gesserit planting different myths across different planet to be able to exploit them in the future, why didn't they go back to Arrakis sooner, given that it was the most important planet in the galaxy and only place to find spice? It just seems unlikely that Jessica would be the first one to set foot in there after so many thousands of years, given how pivotal that planet was for the entire galaxy. It seems almost casual that lady Jessica would go there and be like "gee... I wonder if the Bene Gesserit have ever been to this planet I have to go to?" Am I wrong? was there a reason the BG were avoiding the planet until lady Jessica?
Ive only watched the movies, but wasn't the previous reverend mother in Arrakis a Benne Gesserit? She used the voice to force Jessica to drink the water of life? Also Stilgar mentions the reverend mother as if it was an established position to the Fremen already for many years and unaware to him was set up by the Benne Gesserit for a long time
@@Balloonbot Ok this is all true, thank you! I'm obviously still missing many things. But yes, the BG are in firm charge of the Fremen with their reverend mothers. I'm sure the book explains this much better.
I believe that there’s a difference between a Reverend Mother and BG training. That’s why Jessica wasn’t aware of the particular ritual of drinking from the water of life. Or if someone else can clarify more I would appreciate it.
They didn't need to go back. The continuation of the Reverend Mothers' consciousness in the minds of their successors means that they never really left.
I see now. Abomination is based on what may take place when Ancient Egyptians/ Gods & Goddesses connected to and thru Akashic memories. This is available to every race on the planet. Yeah there is only one race who is exclusively connected far stronger than every other period because they are the original. The Black Race. In order to access a classic memory, one must have the embodiment of chaos, chaos a.k.a. means melanin the darkness the dark force the black dot. It is the reason why our instinct in our energy is so in tune with our environment. We know when dangerous about to happen just before it happens moments before happens or possibly years before it happens. It gives us the ability of foreside the other supernatural powers many other cultures and races of people deemed to be demonic supernatural or unnatural. Within the acoustic memory, is infinite wisdom for sight peering into the past into the future. But along with that comes from the energy of ancestors. Whose on eagles and or personalities can overtake one if the man has a presence of fear that can be magnified. A weakness that allows for possession to overtake the current body and which one is able to express and see many lifetimes of oneself or others through ancestry or bloodline. As well as the lifetime of others who are connected through the akashic memory. I knew this sounded familiar. In Dune they are called the Bennie Jesuits. Apologies if I didn’t spell that correctly. I am using voice text. In Star Wars they are called the knight sisters. Usually it shows three they are the three sisters of legend throughout time. They hold immense power that is connected throughout the universe. In Greek mythology they are the three witches they possibly have a more official or different name. But this is what I know them to be. It is not solely that they can only be in groups of three. But the number three in which they represent invokes an energy of power. The three witches the three sisters the three goddesses. Whoever is the author of this book knows full well that throughout genetic memory or Morceau genetic itself. The female can be accessed throughout a longer period of time. Where is the males genetics has a more limited access throughout lineage. This is something that is known in science today. The female genetic trait can be traced through a longer period of time the genetic male trait has a limited lineage if that makes sense. He simply took that and flipped it around when it comes to the managers wits because of spiritual application. Instead of taking basically putting the limit that is natural and males to write in ethics and flipping around and putting on the females in his novels. It’s genius not gonna lie. When I say the ancient Egyptians I am talking about black Americans. Not limited only to them but. I wanna point out the entire world was black there was no other race on the planet. This is why we are gifted with genetic inheritance down to this day. More so than any other race. This is why physically we are gifted in our physical application of physical exertion abilities. Any type of sport or physical activity we dominate in naturally. So myself it comes from good genetic gifts. And also genetic memory. Whoever the author of this book or novel series is really knows their stuff and it’s not just what people think it’s science fiction or fiction it’s not real. This is all based on what takes place in real life. The things that they call demonic or witchcraft or no evil based on religion of today that was the world, before there was a religion it was only spiritual method methodology. Energy magic witchcraft was not known as evil it was just known as the thing to do. Back when many were tapped into the primal power. This is a really great video. I can’t wait to see the next. Just subscribed notifications bell on!!!
@@marshalltjones Genetic memory is a real thing, not 100% in the Waze displayed and what was shown, but it does carryout trade similarly to how it was talked about. For example if your tent generational grandfather was a serial killer and for whatever reason that genetic trait was passed over from 10 generations down into you and you have a tendency to one slice someone’s neck, that is it should be due to genetic memory. The vast majority of science fiction is based on genuine reality. This is why I actually do with the term or the word phrase come from the truth is stranger than fiction. The American government categorized as Black people as the God race. Due to our genetic lineage of power. Even in the Bible it refers to Black people as gods. And goddesses in the feminine form. Jesus a black man, also a god displayed powers and abilities for advanced and most of his own people within that time.. John chapter 10 verses 34 “is it not written in your log that I said onto you that you are gods.” John chapter 12 verse 14 “ Great works I have done, greater works you shall do.” Jesus, a black man, also a God. And the first scripture is specifically talking about the black race, I go in even deeper to refer to more than one race of people as the divine race, because we many of us have a spirit and a soul. Little known secret is every single race does not have a soul. What is a soul it is spiritual power. This is why some people who go to a spiritual experience die because they don’t have a soul that is a substance to withstand spiritual energy in different realms that exist identically in the same level that this 3-D physical realm does. Because Black people are the first the original people on the entire planet we are the original race we are the progenitors every single other race, because it came from us. The government knows this this is the reason why might people more than anybody else has been treated unfairly unjustly and murdered in any type of way have no laws that matters for help us out in any type of society especially in America. Learning these things throughout my life I started referring to my people specifically toward the male a black man as a God, and a black woman as a Goddess. I found it very funny that my own people reject their divinity, or will gladly except their own lower level Ness. Meaning if they are sin and evil and bad they will except that but if they are seen as a creator a divine being they immediately reject it. For example my people refer to each other as Niggas, Defined the lightning in that. I understand taking a bad thing and trying to get into a good thing. But that word if you break it down actually means King. Something the vast majority of people did not know anyways I can talk to you about these things and go on and on but that is not my goal. Look up the god Simon cook or Simeon cook. He is a god whom exhibited powers and abilities greater than the one you call Jesus. The American government site to kill him and murder him and his body revive no matter how many times he was shot no matter how many times he was stabbed his entire body was cut up into many pieces they took those pieces and split them up on a plane. By the time all those planes got done landing he rejuvenated himself. And just in case you wanna question me look this up on TH-cam and see for your self. You seek truth, well it is come for you. Will you accept it or deny it. Remember the truth is stranger than fiction. Always
What a absolutely disappointing spiral into content farm this channel has become. Audio sounds like a 1950s tin can recording. can open any other video and its fine. but this one sucks. I dont understand why creators who were once respectable just stopped ever reviewing their own content before they vomit their Ai script read-through online. All of it laid over un-credited art, most likely just more ai prompts copy and pasted and reuploaded here... Pathetic.
Apologies up front for my overlong comment. Good video but it got me thinking about my main question(s) about the Dune Universe. I could never fully get into the whole Dune Universe because of the Bene Gesserit. If you're into it all, B.G. included, awesome. Personally, I'd be interested in how that galactic mercantile organisation works, (CHOAM?), and why the Spacing Guild, which seems like it has a stranglehold on interplanetary trade and military operations doesn't just run the galaxy by itself or in tandem with CHOAM(?)and dump the hilariously antiquated notion of ruling by divine right-emperors and dukes and all that-on the trash heap of history. As to the Bene Gesserit, and their "wisdom", ANY woman who has ever had her mother and one or both of her grandmothers, plus assorted aunts, great aunts, etc., trying to all give her conflicting and often contradictory advice knows too well that the idea of an endless line of descendants' voices-whether male or female-would be less than useless. Maddening for sure but HOW is this at all beneficial, let alone a crucial part of the reason the B.G. Order is so powerful and influential? And I'm not buying that the individual Bene Gesserit could pick and choose who to ignore. How? The whole experience would be completely new to anyone attempting to awaken these past memories. A wrong choice seems inevitable, as the choices are virtually limitless, odds seem that the voice that you respond to, listen to, isn't necessarily going to be the wise one or the honest one, it's going to be the convincing one. And regardless, we are all subject to our own foibles, phobias, biases and prejudices, whether "honest" or "wise" or not. Did dying make these ancestral women infallible? Do cave women join in? The women who, during their lives, had no notion of anything beyond their home, their village, their planet? Do the millions of women who held while alive, religious beliefs have anything to say about that now that they are dead? Is it all a sham? The orange Catholic Bible an abomination? Is connecting to a B.G. adept a form of Hell? So many questions. I don't think that Mr. Herbert knew a lot of women. Not saying anything against women. I'm one, we're swell. Awesome. Neat-O, even. But people suck. Some people suck all the time, most only suck some of the time. Taken as a group, of varying suckage, all clamouring for your attention, you're better off trusting in yourself. And if you kind of suck too, it comes to the same thing, so, why am I risking my life to open up this potential trip to the Looney Bin, do not pass Go, do not collect 200 Dollars to listen to people who likely suck about as much as I do? Again, Mr. Herbert may have held some odd notions about women or ancestral wisdom or the value of listening to someone so out of touch that your daily life might seem like magic to them but I'm not buying it.
You're kind of ignoring the biggest part here: They might suck, but they have information. Information is worth more than gold, especially after the Butlerian Jihad, and that combined with an order of women who can basically read a person's mind and downright influence it means a lot of power. There's a reason why B.G. Rev Mothers go through rigorous training and conditioning, exactly what you mentioned: Reduce the risk so they become able to truly wield the information and not go insane. Even if the people before you suck, they have crucial knowledge that you could use about others. Relatives of powerful people, administrators, queens, wise folk, they absolutely may suck but their knowledge is indispensable and highly useful when running a covert organization. Nobody worth their salt would shirk the power of knowing how to escape past mistakes.
BG playing with fire. You can’t even become a RM without opening yourself up to the very real possibility of madness, possession, death… or the little death that brings obliteration.
Sometimes I cant help but wonder, with all the terrible risks all this genetic tampering unleashed, did they just trade one horror for another when they got rid of advanced machinery?
The point is that they don't mind the horror of a Kwizatz Haderach because someone with almost all of humanity's genetic memories will probably protect the species out of self preservation of their own genetics.
A.I., on the other hand, can turn on humanity in an instant. Even the worst human villains in Dune (House Harkonnen, Bene Tleilax, Honored Matres) work towards human supremacy over the galaxy. The Bene Gesserit can just control them from behind the scenes.
Yes
One of the main themes of Dune is the dependence of man upon things (even his own constructs) leading to his enslavement to them. Man becomes enslaved to machines to think for him. He then becomes enslaved to religion and pseudo-religious organizations, e.g., the Bene Geserit. He becomes enslaved to government, e.g., the Emperor. He becomes enslaved to the spice melange for space travel. He becomes enslaved to prescience to help him navigate an uncertain future. He becomes enslaved to a messianic figures who can see past and future. It requires the God Emperor to shatter the shackles of these things that threaten to enslave mankind so man can be free once and for all.
Yes. And they wanted it under their control.
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Probably the best breakdown I've ever seen of this part of the storyline. Only thing I could add is that it seems like Frank took a lot of inspiration from psychology back back in the day (would have been fair new to people around him).
Thanks so much and a great insight! Can definitely see a lot of correlations to psychology/subconscious throughout the Dune narrative
Especially Carl Jung.
Didn’t he live next to Alan Watts for a long time ?
Yes, inspired by Jung and Freud
there's also a plot line in which leto II and ghanima goad alia in various ways to see what triggers abomination, as well as seeing first hand how abomination takes hold and expresses itself. they almost treat it like a game, balancing their need to get rid of alia with familial restraint (i.e. not going for the juggelar, instead letting alia sink down by herself). her eventual end comes at the hands of the twins as well, shortly after they draw out the baron ego for all to see. part of their motivation was to examine and decide on the subject of abomination. it's not until they themselves see the signs (and jessica confirms it) that they decide to go with the golden path.
Over my many decades pondering dune, its intricacies still intrigue me to this day.
An observation ive made about the BeneG , they really put significant effort devoting countless years and fortunes facilitating the emergence of a being that is by practical definition incapable of being controlled.
Not only were their major goals a gamble against the youse at best, they also maintained a gatekeeping position on spices further capabilities.
In later novels its made clear that males can undergo spice change the very same way BeneG do, and excluding them was potentially a mistake. Males could have bridged gaps and made the politics of the breeding program significantly easier. A male could father a great many children with similar women allowing significantly more, thousands more lifetimes added to the already diverse othwr menory. Just a few thoughts.
But only females could control the sex of the baby..?
@@stuartburns8657If the male doesn’t produce Y-chromosome sperm then they could also control the sex of the child.
Reading Children of Dune it was just shocking to me that no one even tried to help Alia at any point. Maybe it's because genetic memory is such a ridiculous concept and it's not clear why a memory wouldn't be static but would exist like an active independent creature somehow, but most of all the repetition of "abomination" really seemed like an attempt to disguise there being no earned reason why it was inevitable and fatal.
It's because those who unlock past memories also because hyper intelligent usually because of the huge amount of spice, Because they are just fetuses they can glitch with all the past memories shoved in them and what's worse is that it's both Female and Male.
@@crispysatyr0355 I can have a program on my computer but it needs to be running. It's not at all clear why these echoes would have independent will rather than running like java in a contained environment.
@@joegroves2517 it's because they're a fetus who doesn't have a mind of it's own and just survived the traumatic spice agony
@@crispysatyr0355 Most of the major developments happen for her significantly later.
@@joegroves2517 I remember spice causing long life and an increase of IQ, the Water of Life is just super concentrated with it I think.
IIRC the BG don't use the water of life and the spice agony until after Leto's Peace. Until Lady Jessica the water of life was specific to fremen Reverend Mothers. The glossary specifically describes the process as using an "illuminating poison", but not specifically the water of life.
There were other poisons that worked, but once a candidate had spice the others no longer worked.
In terms of the movies (and mini series) we have only scratched the surface with the Dune lore. I've explored more of lore already but these presentations are great. I stopped reading reading in my early twenties but started listening to audiobooks during lockdown. I'm only beginning to explore these books more now.
Same here! I actually feel I absorb the book better via audio
They fear equal screen time with the guild and mentats…
but why does the reverend mother say: "abomenation' when paul atreides silences her with the voice, after he tells the emperor he will bomb the spice fields??
That’s a mental coping mechanism for her. She sees the Kwisatz Haderach before her-the final goal for which she and millions of other Bene Gesserit before her have struggled and sacrificed-and he’s not under their control, not doing what they want or conforming to their desires. To see things go so horribly wrong (by her standards, at least) is the shattering of her entire worldview, and so she seeks refuge in a convenient explanation: that Paul isn’t the Kwisatz Haderach after all, that despite his power he’s just a mistake that can be fixed or removed eventually, and that the real Kwisatz Haderach has yet to come.
@@Dawnrunner42 Ya, I never understood how they believed they could control such a powerful being. It's the same problem you run into with A.I. Eventually it's going to realize it's more powerful and better in certain aspects and either rebel against, dominate, or destroy you.
Man. did you get that wrong. A Reverend Mother surviving the spice agony gains access to her female ancestral memories, but is trained to handle them. Abomination is a fetus going through the agony, where the memories can overwhelm the unformed psyche of the unborn.
Paul received Bené Gesserit training. Not official per sé, but Lady Jessica "trained him in the Bené Gesserit way". Alia's is such a tragic tale. She had pre born status put upon her by no choice of her own. LadyJessica inflicted her, guaranteeing her to be ostracized, feared and detested. Then abandons her instead of helping her. Doomed to the shadow of her messianic brother, and her heretical, negligent mother.
Given the Fremen constant and high exposure to spice, wouldn’t this have been a constant threat to their developing fetuses?
I believe the genetic memory only comes with concentrated spice
No, the "water of life" was on an entire different scale that the spice.
The whole point of the eugenics is to create someone with the genes to react to spice that way. Most BG where part of it, like Jessica, and Paul had the genes and passed them to his children. Normal people wouldn't react to spice like this or would die from the concentration of spice on the Water of Life
Most people and especially fremen are not highly sensitive to spice. The books talk about the fremen having semi-prophetic dreams and such but nothing on the scale of true future sight.
Also the water of life is exponentially stronger than spice, and immensely toxic, very high chance of death, and very unlikely any fetus would survive.
Yes it does. That's why they got a possession trial and judgment. Probably each century dozen of young freemen got executed and their water spilled into the sands.
Please consider doing a video on slavery in the dune universe
YES. I’ve been looking for an explanation on this for a while.
Most people in this universe would just be serfs right? I don’t think the average joe can just up and move planets.
@@HiDesert004 that’s a good point, it is fudeal, so I wonder what the average person and there rights are. But it think (the the Harkonens at least) slavery is a distinct system. We see them so casually killing slaves and Gurney we know was a slave specifically in slave pits before he was freed by the Atredeis, so I think slavery is its own system of people below the normal civilian.
I agree that this is an excellent summary discussing abomination. It really takes reading the books several times to catch all these nuances. Well done!
Glad you enjoyed!
The female-line and male-line genetic memory thing is interesting.
Women have X-chromosomes.
Only men have Y-chromosomes.
Men have XY.
How was Aliya possessed by her grandfather, when females has only access to female ancestry?
Because the became an abomination as a fetus meaning she had both male and female genetic identities
Something to do with her being pre born perhaps
As far as I understand it, it isn't that they don't have access it's that they fear it. Fear the possibility of possession or madness.
@@tbobbobs7606 The OP raises a good point, as in the book Paul says something like the givers (female) fear and can't see takers (men) and visa versa.
I wonder if its because of her bloodline.
Same parents as
@@stuartburns8657 The Kwisazt Haderach, the "male Bene Gesserit" could we say, has access to both genetic lineages. Alia's case is because of she's the Abomination.
Now I'm thinking how deeply they will be able to adapt this in the upcoming films and TV shows.
An excellent summary!
Appreciate it!
I'm so glad that Dune is FINALLY getting some love. We've been on Star Wars since forever, Star Trek has been getting it's flowers since the 70s, hell, even A Song of Ice and Fire was given a tv adaption before Dune was given another chance. That's why I was so hesitant when I heard they were making Lord of the Ring movies cause I thought it was just going to be another Dune 1984 disaster that was going to hurt the entire genre of high fantasy and science fantasy but it's sucess did the opposite! Now we finally got the Dune that we deserved. I still think a tv series would've been better, but a high budget tv series, but beggers can't be choosers.
Abomination is the survival of an unprepared and untrained mind, ie: a fetus woken to consciousness and other memory allowing for the egos in that memory to take over the host.
i was wondering do you have a video about the specific effects of the scattering and what good did it really do? did it cause more harm than good? what did it lead to?
It flung humanity, along with the bloodline of Ghanima which makes them invisible to prescience to so many places that humanity can never go entirely extinct. It prevents Kralizec the whirlwind death at the end of the universe.
More lore videos from the GOAT, just what I needed today.
I do have a quetion. Why does Alia have the Baron's ego as she is not male. I thought only the Kwisatz is able to access BOTH family and gender timeline.
She was preborn. The preborn automatically gain both lines of ancestral memory without having to undergo any special training.
@@tokyo_taxi7835 oh okay thanks!
@@tokyo_taxi7835yeah, I also remember that Ghanima mentioned recalling the Gom Jabbar event that her father went through. Makes sense for pre-born to have both memories, since at the womb they are still in the "presence" of male genetic material in a way, idk
I figured that just because the bene gesserit are afraid to look doesn’t mean it’s not there.
Alia is something special.
An anomaly, to be sure.
Didn't Frank Herbert think that Leto II and Ganima were both pre-born. Yet the Bene Gesseert did not label either one as Abomination. Only Paul's sister Alia.
Are they all related
Leto's golden path of 3000 years of pushing carts genius 👏
8:50 she gets headakes from some1 else in her head.
That actuelly happens for real life d.i.d..
0:02 slennesh getting into their universe...
I don't get it
If you read this might I suggest mtg zombies of the multiverse
Loved this video will suscribe for more thanks
Appreciate the support, glad you enjoyed!
“He will see what we can not”
so so many "um actually"'s in this
I like Dune but genetic memory is a silly plot device.
It's not a plot device. It is one of the basic parts of the whole story. In the books. Seeing it as a plot device is missing the basics of the entire point of the story.
Losing power...and maybe spiders.
They fear Blue Velvet...
I see what you did there.
I hear the call softly.... "ohhhh, I'm slutty"
I feel sad, I think I discovered a major plothole in the whole Dune book by watching your video :(
WARNING: POTENTIALLY RUINS DUNE FOR YOU:
Ok so please tell me I'm wrong, but in the subject of the Bene Gesserit planting different myths across different planet to be able to exploit them in the future, why didn't they go back to Arrakis sooner, given that it was the most important planet in the galaxy and only place to find spice? It just seems unlikely that Jessica would be the first one to set foot in there after so many thousands of years, given how pivotal that planet was for the entire galaxy.
It seems almost casual that lady Jessica would go there and be like "gee... I wonder if the Bene Gesserit have ever been to this planet I have to go to?"
Am I wrong? was there a reason the BG were avoiding the planet until lady Jessica?
Ive only watched the movies, but wasn't the previous reverend mother in Arrakis a Benne Gesserit? She used the voice to force Jessica to drink the water of life? Also Stilgar mentions the reverend mother as if it was an established position to the Fremen already for many years and unaware to him was set up by the Benne Gesserit for a long time
@@Balloonbot Ok this is all true, thank you!
I'm obviously still missing many things. But yes, the BG are in firm charge of the Fremen with their reverend mothers. I'm sure the book explains this much better.
@@amacuro"may ruin Dune" 🤡🤡🤡
I believe that there’s a difference between a Reverend Mother and BG training. That’s why Jessica wasn’t aware of the particular ritual of drinking from the water of life.
Or if someone else can clarify more I would appreciate it.
They didn't need to go back. The continuation of the Reverend Mothers' consciousness in the minds of their successors means that they never really left.
They can't see genetic memory if there is a Y chromosome.
Anyone they cant control
They fear cheeseburgers.
ulterior
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Is this The Academy of Ideas guy voicing over?
6:16 sorry, it doesn't exist.
They fear MGTOW.
I see now. Abomination is based on what may take place when Ancient Egyptians/ Gods & Goddesses connected to and thru Akashic memories.
This is available to every race on the planet. Yeah there is only one race who is exclusively connected far stronger than every other period because they are the original. The Black Race. In order to access a classic memory, one must have the embodiment of chaos, chaos a.k.a. means melanin the darkness the dark force the black dot.
It is the reason why our instinct in our energy is so in tune with our environment. We know when dangerous about to happen just before it happens moments before happens or possibly years before it happens. It gives us the ability of foreside the other supernatural powers many other cultures and races of people deemed to be demonic supernatural or unnatural.
Within the acoustic memory, is infinite wisdom for sight peering into the past into the future. But along with that comes from the energy of ancestors. Whose on eagles and or personalities can overtake one if the man has a presence of fear that can be magnified. A weakness that allows for possession to overtake the current body and which one is able to express and see many lifetimes of oneself or others through ancestry or bloodline. As well as the lifetime of others who are connected through the akashic memory.
I knew this sounded familiar. In Dune they are called the Bennie Jesuits. Apologies if I didn’t spell that correctly. I am using voice text. In Star Wars they are called the knight sisters. Usually it shows three they are the three sisters of legend throughout time. They hold immense power that is connected throughout the universe. In Greek mythology they are the three witches they possibly have a more official or different name. But this is what I know them to be.
It is not solely that they can only be in groups of three. But the number three in which they represent invokes an energy of power. The three witches the three sisters the three goddesses.
Whoever is the author of this book knows full well that throughout genetic memory or Morceau genetic itself. The female can be accessed throughout a longer period of time. Where is the males genetics has a more limited access throughout lineage. This is something that is known in science today. The female genetic trait can be traced through a longer period of time the genetic male trait has a limited lineage if that makes sense. He simply took that and flipped it around when it comes to the managers wits because of spiritual application. Instead of taking basically putting the limit that is natural and males to write in ethics and flipping around and putting on the females in his novels. It’s genius not gonna lie.
When I say the ancient Egyptians I am talking about black Americans. Not limited only to them but. I wanna point out the entire world was black there was no other race on the planet. This is why we are gifted with genetic inheritance down to this day. More so than any other race. This is why physically we are gifted in our physical application of physical exertion abilities. Any type of sport or physical activity we dominate in naturally. So myself it comes from good genetic gifts. And also genetic memory.
Whoever the author of this book or novel series is really knows their stuff and it’s not just what people think it’s science fiction or fiction it’s not real. This is all based on what takes place in real life. The things that they call demonic or witchcraft or no evil based on religion of today that was the world, before there was a religion it was only spiritual method methodology. Energy magic witchcraft was not known as evil it was just known as the thing to do. Back when many were tapped into the primal power.
This is a really great video. I can’t wait to see the next. Just subscribed notifications bell on!!!
writing your own fanfic is a normal and fine thing to do, but it might be wise not to take it very seriously.
Whatever you took, drop the dose by half. If you didn’t take anything, maybe you need to.
You know genetic memory isn't actually a thing, right?
@@marshalltjones Genetic memory is a real thing, not 100% in the Waze displayed and what was shown, but it does carryout trade similarly to how it was talked about.
For example if your tent generational grandfather was a serial killer and for whatever reason that genetic trait was passed over from 10 generations down into you and you have a tendency to one slice someone’s neck, that is it should be due to genetic memory.
The vast majority of science fiction is based on genuine reality. This is why I actually do with the term or the word phrase come from the truth is stranger than fiction.
The American government categorized as Black people as the God race. Due to our genetic lineage of power. Even in the Bible it refers to Black people as gods. And goddesses in the feminine form. Jesus a black man, also a god displayed powers and abilities for advanced and most of his own people within that time..
John chapter 10 verses 34 “is it not written in your log that I said onto you that you are gods.”
John chapter 12 verse 14 “ Great works I have done, greater works you shall do.”
Jesus, a black man, also a God. And the first scripture is specifically talking about the black race, I go in even deeper to refer to more than one race of people as the divine race, because we many of us have a spirit and a soul. Little known secret is every single race does not have a soul. What is a soul it is spiritual power. This is why some people who go to a spiritual experience die because they don’t have a soul that is a substance to withstand spiritual energy in different realms that exist identically in the same level that this 3-D physical realm does.
Because Black people are the first the original people on the entire planet we are the original race we are the progenitors every single other race, because it came from us. The government knows this this is the reason why might people more than anybody else has been treated unfairly unjustly and murdered in any type of way have no laws that matters for help us out in any type of society especially in America.
Learning these things throughout my life I started referring to my people specifically toward the male a black man as a God, and a black woman as a Goddess. I found it very funny that my own people reject their divinity, or will gladly except their own lower level Ness. Meaning if they are sin and evil and bad they will except that but if they are seen as a creator a divine being they immediately reject it.
For example my people refer to each other as Niggas, Defined the lightning in that. I understand taking a bad thing and trying to get into a good thing. But that word if you break it down actually means King. Something the vast majority of people did not know anyways I can talk to you about these things and go on and on but that is not my goal. Look up the god Simon cook or Simeon cook. He is a god whom exhibited powers and abilities greater than the one you call Jesus. The American government site to kill him and murder him and his body revive no matter how many times he was shot no matter how many times he was stabbed his entire body was cut up into many pieces they took those pieces and split them up on a plane. By the time all those planes got done landing he rejuvenated himself. And just in case you wanna question me look this up on TH-cam and see for your self. You seek truth, well it is come for you. Will you accept it or deny it. Remember the truth is stranger than fiction. Always
What a absolutely disappointing spiral into content farm this channel has become. Audio sounds like a 1950s tin can recording. can open any other video and its fine. but this one sucks. I dont understand why creators who were once respectable just stopped ever reviewing their own content before they vomit their Ai script read-through online. All of it laid over un-credited art, most likely just more ai prompts copy and pasted and reuploaded here... Pathetic.
What? It sounds pretty good to me
What are you smoking
Apologies up front for my overlong comment. Good video but it got me thinking about my main question(s) about the Dune Universe.
I could never fully get into the whole Dune Universe because of the Bene Gesserit. If you're into it all, B.G. included, awesome. Personally, I'd be interested in how that galactic mercantile organisation works, (CHOAM?), and why the Spacing Guild, which seems like it has a stranglehold on interplanetary trade and military operations doesn't just run the galaxy by itself or in tandem with CHOAM(?)and dump the hilariously antiquated notion of ruling by divine right-emperors and dukes and all that-on the trash heap of history.
As to the Bene Gesserit, and their "wisdom", ANY woman who has ever had her mother and one or both of her grandmothers, plus assorted aunts, great aunts, etc., trying to all give her conflicting and often contradictory advice knows too well that the idea of an endless line of descendants' voices-whether male or female-would be less than useless. Maddening for sure but HOW is this at all beneficial, let alone a crucial part of the reason the B.G. Order is so powerful and influential?
And I'm not buying that the individual Bene Gesserit could pick and choose who to ignore. How? The whole experience would be completely new to anyone attempting to awaken these past memories. A wrong choice seems inevitable, as the choices are virtually limitless, odds seem that the voice that you respond to, listen to, isn't necessarily going to be the wise one or the honest one, it's going to be the convincing one. And regardless, we are all subject to our own foibles, phobias, biases and prejudices, whether "honest" or "wise" or not. Did dying make these ancestral women infallible? Do cave women join in? The women who, during their lives, had no notion of anything beyond their home, their village, their planet? Do the millions of women who held while alive, religious beliefs have anything to say about that now that they are dead? Is it all a sham? The orange Catholic Bible an abomination? Is connecting to a B.G. adept a form of Hell? So many questions.
I don't think that Mr. Herbert knew a lot of women. Not saying anything against women. I'm one, we're swell. Awesome. Neat-O, even. But people suck. Some people suck all the time, most only suck some of the time. Taken as a group, of varying suckage, all clamouring for your attention, you're better off trusting in yourself. And if you kind of suck too, it comes to the same thing, so, why am I risking my life to open up this potential trip to the Looney Bin, do not pass Go, do not collect 200 Dollars to listen to people who likely suck about as much as I do? Again, Mr. Herbert may have held some odd notions about women or ancestral wisdom or the value of listening to someone so out of touch that your daily life might seem like magic to them but I'm not buying it.
You're kind of ignoring the biggest part here: They might suck, but they have information. Information is worth more than gold, especially after the Butlerian Jihad, and that combined with an order of women who can basically read a person's mind and downright influence it means a lot of power.
There's a reason why B.G. Rev Mothers go through rigorous training and conditioning, exactly what you mentioned: Reduce the risk so they become able to truly wield the information and not go insane. Even if the people before you suck, they have crucial knowledge that you could use about others. Relatives of powerful people, administrators, queens, wise folk, they absolutely may suck but their knowledge is indispensable and highly useful when running a covert organization. Nobody worth their salt would shirk the power of knowing how to escape past mistakes.