I loved how Ferguson portrayed her in latest adaptation. Even more that Chalamet. She was absolutely striking: she loves her son and she's afraid of him.
I always enjoyed the scene where Paul 1st enters Sietch Tabr he remarks on the overwhelming smells of the community. Jessica, on the other hand, Jessica starts listing off the industries & manufacturing being conducted at Tabr, based solely on her ability to discern the composite chemicals.
Point to note: In the begining of the movie, Jessica notices Paul’s concern for her unborn sister Alia. After she takes Water of Life, she always uses Alia to converse with Paul. “She (Alia) believes in you. She (Alia) can tell when you lie. She says you should reserve your hand for most strategic alliance. We will be waiting for you. All of us.” Lady Jessica is a master manipulator. She constantly manipulates Paul into following the path Bene Gesserit has laid for him.
@@KuchRavuth Him as in kwisatz haderach. Bene Gesserit didnt plan for Paul specifically but Lady Jessica certainly did out of pride and love for Leto. That is why she is extra desperate to prove her point and push Paul even harder.
Those are lines from the movie… also from Jessica’s perspective this isn’t manipulation. She has the perceptive of generations of extremely intelligent women that came before her. She knows the only way forward for Paul for him to live and rule, is to bexome the Kwisatz Haderach. She never considered how crazy and fanatical the Frenmen would become.
@@tiah1927 That’s what Bene Gesserit sisters do. They are pragmatic. They observe the situation and manipulates players in order to guide future in her favour. Her primary goal is survival for her and Paul. Fanaticsm grew out of Bene Gessirit’s plan. It is just a tool she capitalizes on in order to stay alive. Jessica is fully aware of her manipulation. Water of Life simply gave her surety of path to survival.
@@tiah1927 oh no! Both paul and her could forsee a path where they both would survive and live long lifes- it stands so in the book. But they choose the other parth because they both wanted revenge
Lady Jessica is not only scarier than Paul but it could be argued that she is one of the most horrifying characters in the entire history of (well-known) literature. Lord Voldemort and Pennywise are minor-league amateurs in comparison.
@@bluerisk The Harkonnen were sadistic and corrupt but for all that did not have the goal of putting the known universe under the grip of a single-ruler totalitarian theocracy.
But it was so her grandson Leto could eventually rule, cause the scattering, create untraceble humans and save all humanity. Jessica was just thinking ahead 🙌@AndreA-dl5po
Sorry, but I don't agree. Villeneuve's representation of her is pretty monstrous, but it's not accurate. Throughout the books, it's made clear that everything she did was out of love for her Duke, protection of his son, and preserving the Ducal legacy for Paul. In fact, her loyalty to her family over the Sisterhood nearly got her taken out. Yes, she trained Paul more than was typical for male children, but she saw it as a calculated risk given the environment. Yes, she took full advantage of the artificial mythology the BGs put in place to protect the Sisterhood in every eventuality. That's the whole point of creating those myths. While she knew it was a possibility, it was never her goal to bear the QH. It actually worried her because she knew a) what it would mean for Paul and the universe, and b) that it was her love of Duke Leto that caused this huge sh*t storm. Not long after Alia killed the Baron and Paul defeated Feyd, she returned to Caladan so she wouldn't complicate things any further. Not evil. A strong, protective mother who had to make tough decisions.
My principal quibble with Lady J in the films, was that the BG said she'd defied them by trying to breed the QH. In the books she didn't - she just loved Leto so much that she knew he wanted a son above everything else, and she defied the BG by giving him Paul. The film made her motivations a lot less pure. Paul was conceived for love, not ambition.
@@katyrye IF we are to consider the House Trilogy as cannon, she gave Leto a son to replace the one his first love killed. And to secure her place in Leto's court, since she was distrusted (by hawat at a minimum) from the moment she was sent there.
It's an interesting choice on the movie's part. The Book Jessica and Paul are very human, still driven by their humanity rather than ambition. They are more reluctant towards the prophecy, playing a part in it in spite of themselves. But in the movies, Jessica herself is acting more like a Bene Gesserit abomination. It seems the movies are necessarily abandoning subtlety in Dune's core messages about the dangers of charismatic leaders. The audience needs it that way, otherwise there will be little to distinguish the movies from a basic hero's journey and savior arc. It'll be the books that show how leaders can be dangerous not just if they lose their humanity, but in spite of their keeping it.
The actress who plays her is truly amln amazingly underrated actress. I have seen her play some very intensely dramatic roles. Queen Elizabeth, Dina in the bible, truly underrated.
It's clear from this video that more than the first three novels of the series was used as source material for this. Some of the information simply just isn't in the books... which calls into question how much of this video can be considered canon. Certainly, the idea Duke Leto was married does not come from the original six books. Instead, it's made quite plain that Jessica was the only woman in his life, and she was just a concubine because he perceived that his un-wed state gave him significant political advantages. Otherwise he would have married her, seeing as she had borne him an heir. An interesting thing to note is that, if you read the attached appendices to Dune, it becomes obvious that initially, Alia's fate was going to be very different. The section that deals with the biographies of a number of characters has her outliving her mother... something that is reversed in the later books.
They used the Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson prequel books as the source. KJA has the problematic habit of trying to always tie things back to things which shouldn't be involved with each other. After his treatment of the characters in the Star Wars books, it was no wonder Disney wiped away a lot of what was in the expanded universe. In my personal opinion, Kevin J. Anderson is one of the worst writers out there.
I hate how in the new Dune films they made her so fearful and timid. She was never like that, she was a warrior in her own right and was Paul's rock to lean on.
It is not canon that Jessica's mother is Gaius Helen Mohiam. Brian Herbert (Frank Herbert's son) and Kevin J. Anderson (a Star Wars fanfiction writer) misused many elements of Frank Herbert's universe when constructing their own stories. It is a general strategy of their writing to project the conflict of Frank Herbert's first book into the rest of the universe. For instance, in all the prequels the whole story of mankind is related to an eternal fight of the Harkonnens against the Atreides. This is in fact a reduction of complexity of Frank Herbert's rather complex world building to create familiarity and refer to the original books. It is very much canon that Jessisca’s mother is not Mohiam. This is important in order to underline the impersonality of the Bene Gesserit order. Jessica’s biological mother is unimportant because the biological mother in the Sisterhood is always unimportant due to their understanding of Zen-Buddhism. Making Mohiam Jessicas mother is Brian Herbert showing again that Brian did not understand his father’s concept of the sisterhood. Something he did already, when he wrote that Valia Harkonnen killed the daughter of Raquella Berto-Anirul after the latter shared her memory with her. This was a violation of Frank's intensions, because Raquella is still present in the shared consciousness of the sisterhood in Frank Herbert's own Chapterhouse of Dune. Brian Herbert also destroyed the legacy of Gaius Helen Mohiam, when he described her death like a stupid fight against two strong forces and not as the death of a reverend mother of the Bene Gesserit.
@ljc6181 - That's precisely how the BG institution is meant to work. Jessica broke every important rule they have about their political role in the Great Houses: As Reverend Mothers, they provide vital truthsayer services, advice, insight, and some insulation from treachery. When they're sent in as wives, their whole purpose is to control the breeding lines. In both cases, their only TRUE job is to influence the House according to the BG long game. (Also, the daughter she 'abandoned' was a few thousand years old and had all of Jessica's history, thoughts and feelings on speed dial in her head. So... not your average tween trying to figure out life on her own. 😉)
to be excessively clear: Jessica is THE SECOND child the Bene Geserit made Baron Harkonnen concieve. The first died in infancy (whether she was killed for being sickly, or just died od SIDS i can't remember). And to be honest, i like the story of Leto being in love and having a child with Kailea Vernius (from the House Trilogy), said woman being tricked into attempting to assassinate Leto, and their son dying in the plot. Which drove her to suicide, and for Jessica to fill the gap with her pregnancy with Paul a short time later.
@alexhulea2735 given Paul was about 14 when He was tested by the Reverend Mother 15 when Leto Died and about Twenty five when he took the empire He was more Stil Gars son than Atredies. Also the Fremen lived the Atredies code. In the Newer Books The founder of the Atredies family stayed on Arrakis with the first Freemen ending a near immortal life among them. The Fremen were literal and genetically Paul's family.
@@DarthRay1969 i never got to read the last of the Butlerian Jihad books. it's interesting how cyclical some things became with Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson. but wasn't Paul's ascension to the imperial throne roughly 2 years after he started living with the Fremen? Dune Messiah was roughly 10-15 years later.
@@Obi_boyPaul did see the future tho. Even if he unites the people they will be the same so he set an example being the lesser evil then his son took the role to, the problem with Aliah is she was possessed, Paul's plan could have gone smoothly if his sister was sane.
Count Fenring was not Emperor Shaddam “aide”. Count Fenring was the head of House Fenring. Count Fenring was also left to govern Caladan in place of Duke Leto Atreides.
@@jimhoover7345 Isn’t he also a distant cousin and childhood “friend” of the emperor? I know Leto is closer in blood line but I could have sworn I remember something about those two, Hasimir and the Emperor, being distant cousins.
MOST of this is his take on the prequel novels. The three house books leading up the original Dune and the the Butlerian Jihad novels! While they were “OK(ish)” they were supposedly written from notes FH wrote concerning back stories! If this is true, which I doubt, it must have been some VERY rough sketch’s of backstories because NONE of this is written with the detail and finesse as FH wrote!
I’m glad Denis portrayed her a strong woman, not that weird depiction of her in the Books and also in the 1984 movie adaptation. Now she seems strongheaded and ambitious and also confident and still protective and caring enough as a motherfigure, for Paul as well as for the fremen
Idk to me her only crime was having a son for Leto instead of having a daughter. She used prophecies to protect Paul out love. She became a reverend mother to help him in his journey because he wasn’t even supposed to happen. She gained nothing from any of that. In dune there’s rarely a purely evil character. And it damn sure ain’t Jessica to me. She didn’t gain anything. The bene gesserit use her as an example to not let your emotions overrule your duty after her 😂
Victor did not plot against his father. He was only about six years old when he got killed. And Jessica‘s mission. Her whole life was to married Ledo a trade and she knew that when she was 12. Did you even read the books?
Villanueve's interpretations are huge changes and I loathe them for what they did to what could have been the best movie version of Dune to date. He changes soo many significant plot points and characters that it broke the story in my view. If he had at least kept Lady Jessica good and maintained Chani's deep love for Paul, the movie would have been significantly more true to the source and far more enjoyable for those of us who hoped for a faithful adaptation of the books.
Yeah but a good adaptation doesn't always have to be 100% faithful adaptation and movies have to cater to casual watchers too to make profit not just the book fans
@ agreed, but his changes were pretty extreme and ended up telling a significantly different story in many ways.. I think is interpretation was worse than the 70's version.
@ Let’s not confuse how many people watch a thing with how good it actually is (see Avatar) or with how faithful to the original it is. It would be disingenuous to not recognize that a very large number of people watched these movies because they wanted to see faithful reproduction of the books.
@@dwpetrak most probably not because as good as dune is, it was still very niche and not so popular even among book lovers. I can assure you all these numbers the film has been accumulating is not because the book was a staple read for every American or something. You would have to have a Harry Potter level popularity to accumulate the numbers dune has been getting if the numbers largely relied on book lovers. Another point is that if the large number of people who watched the movies was because of the og book lovers, then the earlier versions would also have the same popularity as the current movie no?
only thing dissapointing in the movies was the Benes Wierding way fighting style doesn't show how cool it is at all... they just fight like normal humans which sucks
Not sure. It's stated in 'Sandworms of Dune' that she attempted to seduce him, and that, in response, he 'humiliated' her. You can take that any way you want, but 'rape' is a very strong word. Given that the Bene Gesserit are used to being in control of any situation, and to working covertly, I suspect the Baron put Mohiam in some kind of situation where she was utterly helpless, and in full view of the public... It is interesting to note that matters didn't end there. Mohiam got her revenge by infecting the Baron with a diease that caused his body to bloat. What ever it was he did to 'humiliate' her, she took extreme exception to!
I think the Baron realized the BG were using him for his genetics and turned the tables on them by turning their purposeful attempts to maintain control him into something he thought they would regret. No man likes being used. Harkonnen psychology would turn that feeling into something violent.
the person who made this video hasn't read dune let alone the other books. she bore a son because of her love for leto. the first thing she does after paul's jihad is to flee arakis. this is click bait. just read the books.
Is this a real voice narrating this video? If so, I love it. A dying talent being replaced by AI. OR maybe I’m simply watching the wrong channels, videos, etc.
@@Reelworthy he gets cloned endlessly. It’s been a while since I read the books but the icky people who roam the battlefields collect DNA and have a “womb” where they grow new people.
This video is so inaccurate. Also, the movie portrayal of her was waaaaay different than her character in the book which was one of the things I took issue with. The movies are hood but not entirely book accurate.
Yea Jessica did not manipulate as much a the latest film depict.Dune had to get the job done.Messiah ok I think we over did it.Y’all are free now.We will control the spice but go back to your traditions.
I was disappointed with the three main characters, the woman playing Jessica is a bit lightweight, she looks more like Pauls big sister than his mother. Eva Green would have been my choice to play Jessica. Timothee looks fragile, as if a smack in the mouth would make him burst into tears. Zendaya Coleman who plays Alia is also lightweight, they needed somebody better looking and who can act, my choice would have been Morftdd Clark. Regarding the supporting cast, all fantastic could not be bettered ! A big shout out to Jason Momoa, although he only got just over nine minutes, he was the main man when he was on screen. It was a mistake to shoot scenes with the Baron in half darkness or submerged, when you have a Skarsgård available, any Skarsgård in fact, you put them front and centre and well lit because they are the cream of acting talent. Why they made Feyd look like a blobby is a mystery and a mistake !
She returned to Arrakis with the Corrino Prince, and after Alia"s death , she returned to Caladan. th-cam.com/video/TJlcidpQWbI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=aov3dkAKURoVhO_w
The word Gender literally comes from the same root as Genre, meaning Kind. The separation of the words sex and gender into 2 different definitions only happened in the last 50 years because feminist pushed for it.
@@BlueTangerine-xx4vk Going to argue here. The Sisterhood spent Millennia developing themselves into the ultimate breeding machines. A Sister could choose both the sex, the sexual orientation and gender preferences. In one way the sisterhood way unisexual as they used sex as a tool. Love like that of Leto and Jessica's isnt about gender of the body but of the passion between souls.
I loved how Ferguson portrayed her in latest adaptation. Even more that Chalamet. She was absolutely striking: she loves her son and she's afraid of him.
I always enjoyed the scene where Paul 1st enters Sietch Tabr he remarks on the overwhelming smells of the community. Jessica, on the other hand, Jessica starts listing off the industries & manufacturing being conducted at Tabr, based solely on her ability to discern the composite chemicals.
Point to note: In the begining of the movie, Jessica notices Paul’s concern for her unborn sister Alia. After she takes Water of Life, she always uses Alia to converse with Paul.
“She (Alia) believes in you.
She (Alia) can tell when you lie.
She says you should reserve your hand for most strategic alliance.
We will be waiting for you. All of us.”
Lady Jessica is a master manipulator. She constantly manipulates Paul into following the path Bene Gesserit has laid for him.
It was not even his path in the first place
@@KuchRavuth Him as in kwisatz haderach. Bene Gesserit didnt plan for Paul specifically but Lady Jessica certainly did out of pride and love for Leto. That is why she is extra desperate to prove her point and push Paul even harder.
Those are lines from the movie… also from Jessica’s perspective this isn’t manipulation. She has the perceptive of generations of extremely intelligent women that came before her. She knows the only way forward for Paul for him to live and rule, is to bexome the Kwisatz Haderach. She never considered how crazy and fanatical the Frenmen would become.
@@tiah1927 That’s what Bene Gesserit sisters do. They are pragmatic. They observe the situation and manipulates players in order to guide future in her favour. Her primary goal is survival for her and Paul. Fanaticsm grew out of Bene Gessirit’s plan. It is just a tool she capitalizes on in order to stay alive. Jessica is fully aware of her manipulation. Water of Life simply gave her surety of path to survival.
@@tiah1927 oh no! Both paul and her could forsee a path where they both would survive and live long lifes- it stands so in the book. But they choose the other parth because they both wanted revenge
Lady Jessica is not only scarier than Paul but it could be argued that she is one of the most horrifying characters in the entire history of (well-known) literature. Lord Voldemort and Pennywise are minor-league amateurs in comparison.
A true Harkonnen.
@@bluerisk The Harkonnen were sadistic and corrupt but for all that did not have the goal of putting the known universe under the grip of a single-ruler totalitarian theocracy.
But it was so her grandson Leto could eventually rule, cause the scattering, create untraceble humans and save all humanity. Jessica was just thinking ahead 🙌@AndreA-dl5po
Sorry, but I don't agree. Villeneuve's representation of her is pretty monstrous, but it's not accurate. Throughout the books, it's made clear that everything she did was out of love for her Duke, protection of his son, and preserving the Ducal legacy for Paul. In fact, her loyalty to her family over the Sisterhood nearly got her taken out. Yes, she trained Paul more than was typical for male children, but she saw it as a calculated risk given the environment. Yes, she took full advantage of the artificial mythology the BGs put in place to protect the Sisterhood in every eventuality. That's the whole point of creating those myths. While she knew it was a possibility, it was never her goal to bear the QH. It actually worried her because she knew a) what it would mean for Paul and the universe, and b) that it was her love of Duke Leto that caused this huge sh*t storm. Not long after Alia killed the Baron and Paul defeated Feyd, she returned to Caladan so she wouldn't complicate things any further. Not evil. A strong, protective mother who had to make tough decisions.
@@AndreA-dl5po You speak of Harkonnen, but you describe Paul Atreides and his House.
My principal quibble with Lady J in the films, was that the BG said she'd defied them by trying to breed the QH. In the books she didn't - she just loved Leto so much that she knew he wanted a son above everything else, and she defied the BG by giving him Paul. The film made her motivations a lot less pure. Paul was conceived for love, not ambition.
I didn't feel that from the films. I never read the books but I felt that she gave the king a son because they were in love
No, she was told to only have daughters so no matter what her motivations were, she was defying them by choosing to have a son
@@calebm4112 I'm not saying she didn't defy them I'm just saying she had a son because she loved the king not because she wanted to breed the Messiah
@@katyrye IF we are to consider the House Trilogy as cannon, she gave Leto a son to replace the one his first love killed. And to secure her place in Leto's court, since she was distrusted (by hawat at a minimum) from the moment she was sent there.
I had taken that to mean the BG accused her of defying them to have the QH, not that it was her actual motivation to do so.
jessica is changed a lot in dune part 2 compared to the books. jessica is a lot more human in the books, even after drinking the water of life
It's an interesting choice on the movie's part. The Book Jessica and Paul are very human, still driven by their humanity rather than ambition. They are more reluctant towards the prophecy, playing a part in it in spite of themselves. But in the movies, Jessica herself is acting more like a Bene Gesserit abomination.
It seems the movies are necessarily abandoning subtlety in Dune's core messages about the dangers of charismatic leaders. The audience needs it that way, otherwise there will be little to distinguish the movies from a basic hero's journey and savior arc. It'll be the books that show how leaders can be dangerous not just if they lose their humanity, but in spite of their keeping it.
One Bene Gesserit took down the Empire and both the sisterhood and the Guild. Because the killed her man.
But we all knew the Sisterhood is never truly gone since they are all scattered
@@sov4956I saw what you did there … bravo!!!
The actress who plays her is truly amln amazingly underrated actress. I have seen her play some very intensely dramatic roles. Queen Elizabeth, Dina in the bible, truly underrated.
Shes also in MI, pretty and conveys great emotions for each role
Yes Rebecca Ferguson is a great actress, I watched her recently in Silo on Apply TV- season 2 just came iut
It's clear from this video that more than the first three novels of the series was used as source material for this. Some of the information simply just isn't in the books... which calls into question how much of this video can be considered canon.
Certainly, the idea Duke Leto was married does not come from the original six books. Instead, it's made quite plain that Jessica was the only woman in his life, and she was just a concubine because he perceived that his un-wed state gave him significant political advantages. Otherwise he would have married her, seeing as she had borne him an heir.
An interesting thing to note is that, if you read the attached appendices to Dune, it becomes obvious that initially, Alia's fate was going to be very different. The section that deals with the biographies of a number of characters has her outliving her mother... something that is reversed in the later books.
They used the Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson prequel books as the source. KJA has the problematic habit of trying to always tie things back to things which shouldn't be involved with each other. After his treatment of the characters in the Star Wars books, it was no wonder Disney wiped away a lot of what was in the expanded universe. In my personal opinion, Kevin J. Anderson is one of the worst writers out there.
I gave a "thumbs down" on this vid after 3 min, due to the use of non-canon materials... I won't sub either, of course.
Yeah I'm on the 5th novel and that story has been wrapped up... no idea where this wife came from lolz
I hate how in the new Dune films they made her so fearful and timid. She was never like that, she was a warrior in her own right and was Paul's rock to lean on.
Yes I preferred the original Dunes lady Jessica
It is not canon that Jessica's mother is Gaius Helen Mohiam. Brian Herbert (Frank Herbert's son) and Kevin J. Anderson (a Star Wars fanfiction writer) misused many elements of Frank Herbert's universe when constructing their own stories. It is a general strategy of their writing to project the conflict of Frank Herbert's first book into the rest of the universe. For instance, in all the prequels the whole story of mankind is related to an eternal fight of the Harkonnens against the Atreides. This is in fact a reduction of complexity of Frank Herbert's rather complex world building to create familiarity and refer to the original books.
It is very much canon that Jessisca’s mother is not Mohiam. This is important in order to underline the impersonality of the Bene Gesserit order. Jessica’s biological mother is unimportant because the biological mother in the Sisterhood is always unimportant due to their understanding of Zen-Buddhism. Making Mohiam Jessicas mother is Brian Herbert showing again that Brian did not understand his father’s concept of the sisterhood. Something he did already, when he wrote that Valia Harkonnen killed the daughter of Raquella Berto-Anirul after the latter shared her memory with her. This was a violation of Frank's intensions, because Raquella is still present in the shared consciousness of the sisterhood in Frank Herbert's own Chapterhouse of Dune.
Brian Herbert also destroyed the legacy of Gaius Helen Mohiam, when he described her death like a stupid fight against two strong forces and not as the death of a reverend mother of the Bene Gesserit.
She abandoned her daughter on Dune after Paul’s victory and went back to the witches choosing them over her family.
Her “reverend mother” daughter?
@ljc6181 - That's precisely how the BG institution is meant to work. Jessica broke every important rule they have about their political role in the Great Houses: As Reverend Mothers, they provide vital truthsayer services, advice, insight, and some insulation from treachery. When they're sent in as wives, their whole purpose is to control the breeding lines. In both cases, their only TRUE job is to influence the House according to the BG long game. (Also, the daughter she 'abandoned' was a few thousand years old and had all of Jessica's history, thoughts and feelings on speed dial in her head. So... not your average tween trying to figure out life on her own. 😉)
I LOVE that y'all used stills from the Sci-Fi release of Dune / Children of Dune. It is my favorite of them all.
to be excessively clear: Jessica is THE SECOND child the Bene Geserit made Baron Harkonnen concieve. The first died in infancy (whether she was killed for being sickly, or just died od SIDS i can't remember). And to be honest, i like the story of Leto being in love and having a child with Kailea Vernius (from the House Trilogy), said woman being tricked into attempting to assassinate Leto, and their son dying in the plot. Which drove her to suicide, and for Jessica to fill the gap with her pregnancy with Paul a short time later.
The first child was murdered by her mother.
@alexhulea2735 given Paul was about 14 when He was tested by the Reverend Mother 15 when Leto Died and about Twenty five when he took the empire He was more Stil Gars son than Atredies. Also the Fremen lived the Atredies code. In the Newer Books The founder of the Atredies family stayed on Arrakis with the first Freemen ending a near immortal life among them. The Fremen were literal and genetically Paul's family.
@@DarthRay1969 i never got to read the last of the Butlerian Jihad books. it's interesting how cyclical some things became with Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson. but wasn't Paul's ascension to the imperial throne roughly 2 years after he started living with the Fremen? Dune Messiah was roughly 10-15 years later.
She’s not responsible for another person’s atrocities.
All mothers are responsible for their sons atrocities
@@Obi_boyPaul did see the future tho. Even if he unites the people they will be the same so he set an example being the lesser evil then his son took the role to, the problem with Aliah is she was possessed, Paul's plan could have gone smoothly if his sister was sane.
Count Fenring was not Emperor Shaddam “aide”. Count Fenring was the head of House Fenring. Count Fenring was also left to govern Caladan in place of Duke Leto Atreides.
@@jimhoover7345 Isn’t he also a distant cousin and childhood “friend” of the emperor?
I know Leto is closer in blood line but I could have sworn I remember something about those two, Hasimir and the Emperor, being distant cousins.
Perfect casting for Lady Jessica and the Reverend Mother. Rebecca and Charlotte are great actresses.
Um. Where is he getting this stuff? I’ve read all of the Frank Herbert Dune books and none of this is in them
Maybe the fan fiction drivel by Frank's son and Anderson
MOST of this is his take on the prequel novels. The three house books leading up the original Dune and the the Butlerian Jihad novels! While they were “OK(ish)” they were supposedly written from notes FH wrote concerning back stories! If this is true, which I doubt, it must have been some VERY rough sketch’s of backstories because NONE of this is written with the detail and finesse as FH wrote!
I’m glad Denis portrayed her a strong woman, not that weird depiction of her in the Books and also in the 1984 movie adaptation. Now she seems strongheaded and ambitious and also confident and still protective and caring enough as a motherfigure, for Paul as well as for the fremen
Idk to me her only crime was having a son for Leto instead of having a daughter. She used prophecies to protect Paul out love. She became a reverend mother to help him in his journey because he wasn’t even supposed to happen. She gained nothing from any of that. In dune there’s rarely a purely evil character. And it damn sure ain’t Jessica to me. She didn’t gain anything. The bene gesserit use her as an example to not let your emotions overrule your duty after her 😂
Because she was the White Queen and a known witch since medieval times? 😂😂 If you know you know...
Victor did not plot against his father. He was only about six years old when he got killed.
Victor did not plot against his father. He was only about six years old when he got killed. And Jessica‘s mission. Her whole life was to married Ledo a trade and she knew that when she was 12. Did you even read the books?
Learn something new every day. But the knowledge of who Jessica's mother is, is a horrifying new piece of info for me...
@@lucabestea6844 It’s not cannon, it’s from the son’s prequel House novels!
I love how she came to check on Leto II and realized... oh crap if he goes off the rails were can do nothing.
Does she know someone wrote on her face with a sharpie the last time she was whacked out on spice?
Villanueve's interpretations are huge changes and I loathe them for what they did to what could have been the best movie version of Dune to date.
He changes soo many significant plot points and characters that it broke the story in my view. If he had at least kept Lady Jessica good and maintained Chani's deep love for Paul, the movie would have been significantly more true to the source and far more enjoyable for those of us who hoped for a faithful adaptation of the books.
Yeah but a good adaptation doesn't always have to be 100% faithful adaptation and movies have to cater to casual watchers too to make profit not just the book fans
@ agreed, but his changes were pretty extreme and ended up telling a significantly different story in many ways.. I think is interpretation was worse than the 70's version.
@dwpetrak probably proves my point because the 70s version is nowhere near successful as Denis's version
@ Let’s not confuse how many people watch a thing with how good it actually is (see Avatar) or with how faithful to the original it is.
It would be disingenuous to not recognize that a very large number of people watched these movies because they wanted to see faithful reproduction of the books.
@@dwpetrak most probably not because as good as dune is, it was still very niche and not so popular even among book lovers. I can assure you all these numbers the film has been accumulating is not because the book was a staple read for every American or something. You would have to have a Harry Potter level popularity to accumulate the numbers dune has been getting if the numbers largely relied on book lovers.
Another point is that if the large number of people who watched the movies was because of the og book lovers, then the earlier versions would also have the same popularity as the current movie no?
Leto II was killed as a child. It is Leto III who becomes Emperor.
Kind of, but they dont count it that way. Theyre officially Duke Leto, Leto (Jr) who's killed as an infant, and then Leto II who becomes God-Emperor.
I love lady Jessica so nuch
Jessica is really Great Super Mother...This is like she is the taken from role of AdiShakti
She is the king maker
Who in their right mind pays any attention to the books written by frank's demented son.
only thing dissapointing in the movies was the Benes Wierding way fighting style doesn't show how cool it is at all... they just fight like normal humans which sucks
Wasn’t the reverent mother rape by the baron…
Not sure. It's stated in 'Sandworms of Dune' that she attempted to seduce him, and that, in response, he 'humiliated' her. You can take that any way you want, but 'rape' is a very strong word. Given that the Bene Gesserit are used to being in control of any situation, and to working covertly, I suspect the Baron put Mohiam in some kind of situation where she was utterly helpless, and in full view of the public...
It is interesting to note that matters didn't end there. Mohiam got her revenge by infecting the Baron with a diease that caused his body to bloat. What ever it was he did to 'humiliate' her, she took extreme exception to!
I think the Baron realized the BG were using him for his genetics and turned the tables on them by turning their purposeful attempts to maintain control him into something he thought they would regret. No man likes being used. Harkonnen psychology would turn that feeling into something violent.
She had me spooked when she was whispering to her womb talking about taking over the culture 😂
Shame the films did nothing to emphasise this.
the person who made this video hasn't read dune let alone the other books. she bore a son because of her love for leto. the first thing she does after paul's jihad is to flee arakis. this is click bait. just read the books.
Thanks !
A Bene Gesserit prodigy.
Alia used her own eggs to extend her life. It's so gross.
Why does this movie feel like it’s delivering a message?
So many misinformation in this video
Yeah this guy always gets shit wrong. Plus, the mispronunciations are annoying.
UHH No Leto did not marry Kealia Vernius. Victor was a bastard and not his heir. FFS Read the damned books you are using for citations.
Where is the spoiler alert for the majority of viewers? (dune 1 and 2 movies)
“Not much inferior to them”?? Gtfoh
Are men incapable of making non-misogynist content?
Is this a real voice narrating this video?
If so, I love it. A dying talent being replaced by AI. OR maybe I’m simply watching the wrong channels, videos, etc.
A true Harkonnen
"A-tros-aties"... ?
It's pronounced a·troc·i·ty
All BG can do what Jessica does. She's not special in those atributes
Thx god DEI did not corrupt this great film.....
Is he saying that Lady Jessica killed herself or that she died ?
Well, that's clearly not where the new Dune is going. Idaho is dead in Part 1
You have no idea how often Idaho reappears across the centuries
@ So he’s like Ninja Elijah or something?
@@Reelworthy he gets cloned endlessly. It’s been a while since I read the books but the icky people who roam the battlefields collect DNA and have a “womb” where they grow new people.
This video is so inaccurate. Also, the movie portrayal of her was waaaaay different than her character in the book which was one of the things I took issue with. The movies are hood but not entirely book accurate.
Did you read the book?
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Thought the actress they picked was pretty garbage to be honest. Didn’t seem much to her, preferred the style of the actress in the first version.
Yea Jessica did not manipulate as much a the latest film depict.Dune had to get the job done.Messiah ok I think we over did it.Y’all are free now.We will control the spice but go back to your traditions.
I was disappointed with the three main characters, the woman playing Jessica is a bit lightweight, she looks more like Pauls big sister than his mother. Eva Green would have been my choice to play Jessica. Timothee looks fragile, as if a smack in the mouth would make him burst into tears. Zendaya Coleman who plays Alia is also lightweight, they needed somebody better looking and who can act, my choice would have been Morftdd Clark. Regarding the supporting cast, all fantastic could not be bettered ! A big shout out to Jason Momoa, although he only got just over nine minutes, he was the main man when he was on screen. It was a mistake to shoot scenes with the Baron in half darkness or submerged, when you have a Skarsgård available, any Skarsgård in fact, you put them front and centre and well lit because they are the cream of acting talent. Why they made Feyd look like a blobby is a mystery and a mistake !
the movies are a waste of life.. read the books
None of this is in the movies. Are you dumb?
She returned to Arrakis with the Corrino Prince, and after Alia"s death , she returned to Caladan.
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What an absolute trash movie and the book was great.
Jessica could decide of the sex of her child, not their gender! Gender = stereotypes associated with someone's sex.
Sex = Gender. You don’t get to choose. However in dune, she can decide all she wants, considering it’s purely fictional.
The word Gender literally comes from the same root as Genre, meaning Kind.
The separation of the words sex and gender into 2 different definitions only happened in the last 50 years because feminist pushed for it.
@@BlueTangerine-xx4vk Going to argue here. The Sisterhood spent Millennia developing themselves into the ultimate breeding machines. A Sister could choose both the sex, the sexual orientation and gender preferences. In one way the sisterhood way unisexual as they used sex as a tool. Love like that of Leto and Jessica's isnt about gender of the body but of the passion between souls.
Gender - Boy / Girl. Sex - verb