Ferrari's Hidden Advantage
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Ferrari have a MASSIVE advantage this season, and it’s not just that their car is fast.
They seem pretty untouchable. They’re quick on the straights, and through the slow corners and, over a lap, nobody can touch them.
They seem to have solved the Porpoising issues, been able to adapt their car for the three (very different) circuits we’ve had so far, and been quick on every tyre they’ve run.
But on top of that, they have been leveraging a couple of key advantages (and doing it very well).
Let's get into it.
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The first thing to bear in mind is that Ferrari rocked up to the first test with a strong car. A very defined concept that they have been running ever since, they have made very few changes to it. And those little changes have all been for track-specific reasons.
Whereas if you look at Mercedes, Red Bull (or any of the other teams for that matter), they have been making component upgrades, vast setup changes and different concepts on each of their cars.
If you look back at Lewis and George’s cars in Jeddah, the cars were set up very differently. (And Lewis made sure we knew it)
Whereas Ferrari have stuck to its original plan, and it paid off. They have been learning their car inside out, gaining valuable experience with it - without the disruption of big setup or performance changes.
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This being both the most beautiful and quickest car is quite unreal
Someone quoted that the more beautiful the car the fater it is... or something like that. my old brain cant recollect... The last time i saw a fast and beautiful car was the 2004 McLaren- unfortunately the reliability was its Achilles heel.
@@MaddoxRD ik that era of design was meh at best, but I loved the mirror finish vodafone MCLM livery. Its a shame that was the last time mcl were competitive.
Also 88 or 89 McLarens white & orange
While I agree that it is a very very beautiful car, call me crazy, but I find the mercedes to be the best looking car this year.
@@MaddoxRD There was a point in time where they said Ferrari built beautiful cars but slow.
F2004 moment
Nah, you all mistaken. We all know that red makes the car faster.
It's like go faster stripes.. Its just science 🤷😂
DA RED KAR IZ KRUMPIN DA ZOGGIN GITS!
no, the flame stikers that make cars more fast
Wasn't true from 2008 till 2021 🤣
@@mewtwo.150 wrong shade of red mate
Scarbs is pretty much co-host of Driver61 at this point and I'm all for it
I wish he would start his own channel and upload long, detailed tech analysis vids.
@@Tommmmmmmmmmmm yeah I'm really curious about how they arrange that, does he have a fee? Does he give them all that content for free, even though they make money off of it?
@@Azer1125 probably working on consultancy kinda thing. I highly doubt he does it for free
Ferrari cheating again like 2019.
@@Azer1125 he probably has a salary + gets 50% of the money the videos hes in make
Ferrari strategy department really surprised me this season! Let's hope they can keep that up and don't blow up like the last times they have been in similar positions.
Everyone in the Team learnt from the previous years and mistakes doesnt matter what Departement it is they worked Hard and have understand what went wrong all the years previously as Ferrari Fan this is probably the best Form the Team has been since 2007 the question more is what can go wrong
@@mirkof2068 I am hopping they get to 2002 form. Basically unstoppable.
Except this time they have better drivers than Vettel and washed out Kimi.
I'm not sure actually, they havn't been tested because strategy didn't give a decisive advantage to any team yet. The choices they made this far were pretty much forced, and they are just enjoying the absence of competition.
The car its a beast, they dont need strategy this year
been following this channel for a while now, and i’m gonna say it’s the best. Providing an easy detail analysis with an expert, no biases, and not much clickbait thumbnail. Driver61 is better than any other f1 content yt channels.
Getting Scarbs on board was such a good move for the channel
Not to mention the tutorials from years ago, great content through and through. Has been a strong channel since it’s creation!
Nah that's Peter Windsor bro
@@Sweaty__Sheep bro scarbs is fully in this actual video lool
Yes, totally agree. My go to channel for F1 content.
The F1-75 really is an astonishingly beautiful car.
Yeah i agree, it's the best looking car on the grid. And Mercedes is by far the most ugly car of the grid. But anyway Red Bull will win it
Absolutely no one:
Callum: "purpoising"
😂😂
Poor poy sing
@@JamesAllenRichmond Is he a new Indian driver hoping to get a seat in F1? 😜
@@JamesAllenRichmond love it when I see a poor poyyssee swimming in the sea
It seems to be an all rounder car which is also one of the most beautiful ever in F1.
I think that the 2020 disaster made the team stronger by changing mindset. The changes are not only evident on the car but also on the team (strategy etc) which looks serious enough like the 2000s era.
I also think that the 2021 abandonment was also a key for the 2022 and beyond development.
It's amazing how people make statements like this without insider knowledge. Bravo sir
@@ukps9632 you don't have to be an insider to see such things suc. as pitstops (team related)
Also the statements etc of Binnoto and others in the team prove that.
@@ukps9632 It's amazing how people can listen to Binotto saying exactly this is press releases, and listen to journalists who have spoken to people in F1 and reached the same conclusions.
All you have to do is just pay attention, instead of making snide comments.
@@Ruylopez778 people should stop presenting them as original observations, favela boy
Well put!
This could all be over if redbull just slapped HONDA on the rear wing.
But it doesn’t do anything to the car
💀
@@jonasbecker6554 placebo effect
@@jonasbecker6554 it invokes the power of Honda.
That's like the Konami cheat code
@@jonasbecker6554 It activates VTEC by osmosis.
The basic implementation of the Ferrari, especially the side pods, has a lineage back to the Ferrari's of the late 70s and early 80s. The last time they used ground effect. It's almost as if they went back and used what worked then and interpreted it for the 2022 rules.
Yep! I had this exact thought. There's a lot on this F1-75 that can be traced back to their old ground effect F1 cars. The almost box shape to the car, the nose design, front wing design etc. They dusted off the old design book and started sketching. Makes me wonder if Alpine (Renault) did the same.
Ferrari is the most experienced team on the F1 grid. Decades of historic experience paid off.
@@ETV-xt1kq funny to say that now lol. only now they're really at the top (again) though, maybe as strong as the early 2000's.
And who has experience with ground effect? Rory Burnie (sorry if I am misspelling his name)
@@avantiferrari4250 Definitely not Rory Byrne. He was a consultant for this cars design.
Reliable power unit? ✅
Perfect aerodynamics? ✅
Sleek livery that compliments the car's lines? ✅
Cool headed driver that gets the most out of the setup? ✅
Feels just like the F2004 with Schumacher behind the wheel
Or Like Lotus 85 or Mcl 88. even williams 92 ... beautiful fast cars
@@aAaronbavl the cars you mentioned were seconds faster than others. I think We are overestimating the strength of Ferrari
The drivers were so cool headed this race 😆😆😆😆😆
That reliable power unit one aged well now😂😂
Stopping all development for the 2020 car was the greatest decision Ferrari has made in a long time. Massive gamble paid off very nicely 👍
I believed that from day 1 that the new regulations were brought to the table and I was disapointed that they pushed them back for 1 more year because I knew it was their chance and they were not going to let it go away but here we are and I love it 😁
Its not a gamble is it. After their engine faux pas they had no hope for 2020, 2021 season. Financially, they can afford to not finish so high up either. A gamble is RB going all out for 2021 title and risking 2022.
@@ptbot3294 yeah it was more like accepting the truth that at this point it wasn t worthy to try to do anything with that car 😆
Never ceases to amaze how "experts" got it, and continue to get it wrong.
Don't hear much about "Merc's genius sidepods" anymore? : I
Because the sidepods are not the problem on the Mercedes. It’s really their floor, wings and suspensions. Also the car is unbalanced due to porpoising.
@@proximacentauri3342 lol
6:08 gosh that shot you can see the 641 in it round sidepods, big wing, front wing damn the F175 is beautiful
4:51 probably the most stunning angle of the F1-75 imo
It's only beautiful because it's fast
@@mini696 nah, i remember it being beautiful even before winter tests, after it was presented
@@mini696 people were wetting their pants on seeing it even before the car was seen on testing
@@mini696 Nah I think the Aston is a spectacular looking car but it drives like a brick
Ferrari's secret is obvious: they remembered how to make a good car
Ferrari cheating again like 2019.
@@deeacosta2734 stop crying mate. so if mercedes are winning they arent cheating but if its ferrari they are? you absolute turd. If the fia cant prove they cheated then u can not prove they cheated. Go on tell me how they "cheated"
@@deeacosta2734 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@deeacosta2734 what's wrong with you?? ferari admitted their fault, they accepted Fia punishment. 2021 they used the same s**t 2020 slow car. now, they gain their research result. don't be a silly fanatic fans.
@@deeacosta2734 bold word for a blue flagged entity
They are, they worked hard for that and they deserve it
Forza Ferrari
Wait, hold on, you can make part of the floor on a spring? that's not movable aero?
Thank you! I thought I was the only one very confused by this. They just glossed over that
Probably just a flexible element?
@@jacobm2625 wish they’d elaborate on it lol
@@jacobm2625 We did have a big song and dance last year about wings bending 2 mm too much.
Its not just Ferrari that is using dampers. I believe Aston or McLaren or was it Red Bull? are also using it. I can't remember which team.
I think that a key factor on this ferrari success, is the massive experience they have with ground effect, since porpoising and ground effect are somehow related
Yeah but don’t forget that Adrian Newey worked on the ground effect cars from the 80’s. So Red Bull have an advantage no other team have.
Scarbs is basically an honorary member at this point
You lot missed the opportunity to use Great MasterBlan instead of Hidden Advantage.
Talking about Ferrari's great, competitive and even superior car after their almost 100 years racing history is just insane. But, on the other side, we have Alfa Romeo, that ... Not sucks, could be better, nice to see their name on racing car again. Aston Martin too. F1 looks good again :)))
In this video, Craig does an excellent job explaining a technical concept and Scott repeats everything he says, but with a better microphone
This guy is my favourite! Keeps it short, sweet and easy to understand. His voice also keeps you interested. Stellar job👌
Great to see you upping the production quality - nice work!
👏 👏 👏. I watched 5 other people talking about how to enter and exit corner. I learned one thing. I WATCHED 2 minutes of the is one and learned soooooo much and diagnose rotating the wheel early in order to hammer throttle. Then hitting wall and track limits!!
#1 coach #1 coach #1 coach #1 coach #1 coach #1 coach #1 coach #1 coach
always great stuff you bring up.
a suggestions for improvements though: the "interview" sectons can be hard to unterstand (in noisy surroundings) due to lower volume and general sound quality. if you could fix that, that would be great
Good point
How could anyone say they've got porpoising under control? Though fast, Sharl was bouncing like crazy in Australia. Dre day, AK...
it stopped right when they turned into the corner making the cars behaviour predictable for the drivers. if you compare it to the mercedes, that was not the case for them.
My boi Sharl Legreg is bouncy af
Arguably they have it under control if they can accurately predict when and where it will occur. If it's only only the straights at very high speed, then it's under control even though it still happens.
Porpoising only at top speed doesn't do anything to the lap time, just uncomfortable for the driver. If they're not bouncing in corners or under braking then it doesn't matter.
@@adrianhjordan1981 id say its being managed then but its not under control. If they had control it wouldnt exist.
I thought initially it was the hiring of maybe few other teams engineers, it's obvious now tho they just simply have had a bit more wind tunnel time and while merc and rb battled last season these guys wer probably flat out on the 2022 car
can we give any weight to the scalloping in the top of the Ferrari side pods moving more, hotter air to the rear wing at high speed to reduce the total downforce at high speed? In my mind this would have the greatest effect when the ambient is cold and the engine is at full tilt (high speed straight) and is perhaps why it was less effective in limiting porpoising in Australia , because higher ambients. In my mind the scalloping is creating higher negative pressure at the louvres, drawing more hot air upwards as the speed rises. The rear of the side pod might even tumble that air outward inducing a vortex, powering the diffuser but dumping hot air all over the beam wing and under side on the main rear wing section, reducing the downforce. Less plausible is that the high slot gap to the radiators might be less well fed at low speed and get a healthy dose of air off the front wing as speeds increase, aiding in energising the top louvres. These are the kind on non movable but variable aero tricks that must be all over cars at this level. I understand that WEC Hypercars employ similar techniques to get inside their allowed downforce window.
wind tunnel + cfd time has been one of F1's better rule changes
That ferrari livery is sooo damn clean 👌 can't stop looking at it. Merc also beautiful car
especially coming from last year's livery with multiple shades of red and that disgusting green logo MW slapped on top.
How about a vid on brake cooling - small regulated ducts, huge cake tins covering the brakes and now wheel covers.
How does all the heat escape. And I miss the visible glowing hot discs
ferrari being ferrari theres always this little part of my mind wondering what sneaky thing they've done to do this well this season (those secret engine mods being one example) i mean yeah they probably have just nailed it but im always thinking they doing something in the deep grey area
It's great to have Ferrari back on top. It's been so long since they've been this strong
When I first saw the 22 Ferrari my impression was that it was beautiful. I didn’t know if it would be quick but I’m very happy it is.
Please help Scarbs fix his videos so the video is in sync with the audio. It's been going on for a long time.
I was thinking the same. In every video he features its like hes calling from an underground nuclear bunker via a 1mbps cable
He appears to be using a pretty basic set up for these short segments. I suspect he just pulls out the webcam over the WiFi, says his bit and bounces. I don't blame him either tbh.
The current setup is fine.
The whole world isn't at the beck and call of OCD sufferers.
its fine here
You’ve got a massive advantage!
Making good videos!
Why Do Boats Porpoise?
A boat can porpoise because the weight in the boat is disproportionate between the bow and the stern. It might also be because of the trim angle of the engine and the mounting height of the engine difference.
Another factor that can lead a boat to porpoise is the hull speed.
When the bow wave gets larger and longer the boat starts to tip backwards because it tries to climb it's own bow wave. This is called hull speed. Hull speed is diminishing returns, when you add more power you get a steeper bow wave, and the boat has to do more work.
Porpoising is the result of the motor’s outdrive pushing the boat upwards, essentially boosting it out of the water - albeit for a short period of time. Once the boat comes back down, the outdrive will once again push it back out of the water. This cycle will continue to repeat until either the boat’s speed is reduced or the trim is fixed.
I don't think this is any different to a ground effect f1 car?
bow = front wing / sidepods
stern = underfloor
trim = beam wing + back wing
Are Ferrari and Redbull aero design concepts aimed to cancel out hull speed?
Is the Mercedes creating more drag because most of its rear (tyres and back) is exposed and not shouldering more aero?
Reference:
www.screamandfly.com/content.php?325-Porpoising-Why-It-Happens-and-How-To-Fix-It
www.bornagainboating.com/boats-porpoise/
www.perfprotech.com/blog/boat-and-engine-technical-tips/general-boating-maintenance-tips/how-to-prevent-your-boat-from-porpoising#:~:text=Stopping%20The%20Porpoising%20Effect&text=Unless%20you%20want%20to%20reduce,bouncing%20out%20of%20the%20water.
I'm primarily a RedBull fan but either way, go ferrari and leclerc especially! Hopefully he wins the WDC this year since it seems sainz isn't able to match his performance, otherwise I'd probably be rooting for sainz.
With mimimal upgrades and relatively a more reliable car than the challengers like Redbull i think their more from Ferrari than we think we have noticed so far.
there is*
Also the pit is super fast.
Gotta remember Ferrari is a front running team that wasn't fighting for anything last season so they could just get this car bang on. Good for them, now we just need McLaren to follow them 😅
Ferrari managed to do it right before the regulation changes...
McLaren can do some tweaks and reliability works but nothing significant
For McLaren to do something significant they'll have to wait till 2026
@Rohan Lol barely getting 3rd is doing it right? That's a hot take lol and you never know, things can definitely change before 2026. Once Porsche hops on in 2026 they will be unstoppable though, that's a fact (unlike your hot takes)
@@johncenile8044 as soon as English mercedes left McLaren for marketing reasons they came back in the mug. Also the fact that McLaren beeing around since always can't even produce motors and engines by themselves and have to relate on other manufacturers is also embarrassing
Get scarbs a better setup as he is in the videos so often :) we love having him here
It's worth noting that the wind tunnel/CFD scaling is not just reset at the end of each year, but also mid-year at the end of June. From July on Ferrari will (probably) find themselves with the lowest allocation of all. They'll need to balance this extra time they have now between this year's car and any major changes they want to test for next year, since they'll lose the advantage long before the winter.
Best looking F1 car since 2008.
How is it that all the other teams that had more wind tunnel time haven’t been able to achieve the same results? McLaren,AM Alpine all had more time than Ferrari yet they are miles behind the F175.
Ferrari probably pulled some of their r&d from the Enzo, FXX, and a few other road cars that utilize ground effects for primary downforce with low drag
@@s1n1stersixsgaming8 yeah they actually use te fxx to test certain aspects of their sports cars, even for f1!
The "oi" in porpoising is not pronounced as "oy". Porpoise rhymes with corpus.
The b'ys wanna be paintin' the airbox white and chromin' the wings. Bring back the look - and the spirit - of the winning 1975 Ferrari 312T that the late, great Niki Lauda drove to both the WDC and WCC. This year's car looks like its the real deal, and the entire team looks like its in top form at the moment. Expect RB to come back strong, though. Once they get their little details sorted, they will be formidable. If they don't, Merc will continue to eat RB's lunch.
For one their car don't break every other weekend, that helps lol
The thing that scares me, is that Ferrari has more examples of dropping the ball during seasons than most other teams...
we can officially say that was a different era. they learnt. RBR may have caught this disease
Video that aged very fast
So true
reminds me of the 2017 Ferrari. It was the most well rounded, fast everywhere. The Mercedes at the time was a little overweight and too long to be nimble. But in the high speed corners, Mercedes was strong. Later Mercedes was able to sort the chassis to the point that it was fast everywhere and the rest was history. Ferrari on the other hand didn't really improve throughout the season
They put in work
The best thing to come from the cars porpoisng is hearing Brits struggle to say proposing.
It cracks me up every time I hear them say it.
Proposing ???
@@davidbrown8517 autocorrect on the phone, but you knew what I meant so it doesn't matter.
It looks so good and it's so good. Its perfect!
How can you say porpoising incorrectly having spoken and heard Scarbs (the expert) say it correctly?
Also, it has been reported that it was near impossible to replicate the porpoising in the wind tunnel
Dope car, dope strategy and of course, dope Leclerc.
I feel like another big pro of the Ferrari is it's reliability, but it has only been 3 races, but also it's quite good on it's tires
Mercedes concept really sensitive to this problem because they rely too much on ground effect and never see that porpoising issue gonna destroy them..while ferrari maybe knew about this through testing or referring to their production car extreme design plus their engine sure really powerful this season
I think labelling it "untouchable" is a bit much, given they were beaten on pace in Saudi Arabia. It's definitely at the front, but the Red Bull has proven to be as quick in many sessions. That's hardly untouchable.
Hopefully they can extend the gap though and become as far ahead as possible :D
All you say is right, but doesn't "sell" any YT videos, hence "the MASSIVE advantage"
All I remember is people making fun of matia binnoto for having to miss some of the GP races of the 2021 to attend the car perpetrations for 2022
My worry for Ferrari is that Red Bull and possibly Merc may have more scope for development over the course of the season once they start getting on top of their cars, looking forward to seeing how it all pans out!
The way he pronounces porpoising grinds my gears
How can they police the CFD time and wind tunnel time? You’d think every team has their own hidden in a basement somewhere…
I have a feeling they ferrari put more focus on mechanical grip which let's them run lower down force and drag
po>>>>>R
Don't forget that Ferrari has been one of the best, if not the best F1 teams in history, not a surprise they came out with a very strong car.
they are the best team in F1 history with more wins. mercedes is way behind them at this point.
Great video
Good thing that you already watched it
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The Poypoys is a majestic create
Also coz pltr x ferrari! So excited for them win the constructors this yr
Ferrari is taking the "slow and smooth (development), smooth is fast (performance)" plan
I didn't know about that spring in the front helping to prevent porpoising. Very cool.
It's really nice to see a different team being the most successful all around.
So settled on driver61 now? I agree. Bottas would say "traditions"
I can understand limiting wind tunnel time but all the teams should have the same amount of time since it is an entirely new car. Maybe give the teams in the rear more time after the car's been out for a yea.r
Are you guys coming to Miami?
The automatically generated captions don't understand what porpoising is either - pool poisoning ?!?
Skarb's camera is laggy literally 90% of the time lol
Callum struggling with the "Pooor-poooooy-sing", himself.
Indy Car has used ground effects "Venturi Tunnels" under their cars for years and have no "porpoising". Maybe just Maybe Ferrari called Dallara (Italian company that makes Indy Car chassis with standardized ground effects for each car) to ask for help. Surprising other F1 teams especially McLaren hasn't just called up Dallara or a Indy Car engineer on the telly and asked how to stop the hopping. Indy Cars run at over 230mph on the straights with no bunny hopping, with the McLaren Indy Car team running with excellent pace.
Ferrari was building cars with ground effect when Dallara wasn't even a company. They have an archive full of datas about anything they did in F1 since their debut. I'm pretty sure that they do not needed to calling Dallara for that. And i'm pretty sure that their sidepod design derives from that past ground effect experience.
Red Bull had the least wind tunnel time in the second half of 2021 and they beat multiple teams with tonnes more this year. 5% difference matters very little it seems.
amazing video once again, as someone who is knew to f1 and is still learning the concept of the cars this channel is gold, you've definetly got a new subscriber🤗
@X_X BOY. ok
They’ve Meade a car that’s gorgeous and fast. 👏 👏 👏
Why doesn't the sprung front splitter count as a movable aero device?
Nice to have a Ferrari back in the mix but the wind tunnel allocation is just more contrived interference that tarnishes it all a bit IMO.
Don’t understand the point of having a mechanical engineer on the show, when Scarbs is explaining everything. Just have Scarbs do the whole video
Quality content on this channel😁. I was wondering if the rise of Ferrari and the demise of merc due to the movement of James Allison 🤔
Scarbs should start his own youtube channel
I hate Ferrari because of that F1 agreement that gives them money because of their name, hated them for years. Then they rolled this car out in preseason testing, and I couldn't believe how beautiful the car was, it was as if Ferrari made the most beautiful car and then surprised themselves when it went so fast. Beauty and fastest race car are two things that don't go together in motorsports and yet, in 2022 here it is, just wow.
So although I don't like the Ferrari agreement, I don't like their roadcars, this F1 2022 Ferrari is arguably the sexiest car since I want to say 1956 Mercedes W196 (first to come to mind). Credit to you Ferrari I might not like you but I love what you created.
The 'Red Haas' does seem to have a leg up, eh? All that B-team cfd did not go to waste. Luckily Liberty believes in a level playing field.
Finally Ferrari have that invincable F1 car that is fast and agile. The engine is very powerfull as it is probably having the most torque compared with the Mercedes engine. The Honda engine is someware inbetween these two.
I didn't say this about ferrari, but when Mercedes was and is having problems, I thought it might be related to the inability of the zero pods to provide sufficient adjustability to cope with porpoising in an effective manner. That is the corollary to Ferrari's wider range of adjustment while keeping drag relatively low.
It also explains Toto Wolf's innuendo involving Mercedes performance gains and how they are interesting. Interesting being a code word for maybe there's some cheating to be investigated.
What did he say?
The windtunnel differentials make sense across seasons without major rule changes. Carrying that into a total overhaul of the rules as happened coming into this season doesn't make much sense at all.
What would prevent a team running secret wind tunnel tests? Even if the FIA put cameras in the primary wind tunnels, surely it would be possible to find/build a secret one.
So, is the sprung T-tray a movable aerodynamic device?
Please balance the audio between the two speakers
If a racecar looks good, it's usually quick.
Love the pronunciation of poorpoycing!
They have not "solved the porpoising issue" at all. Ferrari have tuned the car so that the bouncing happens on the least sensitive sections of the circuit (which you then state later in video, contradicting your opening statement)
In a way they are right tho. Not saying that they're really accurate but rather they're saying here that Ferrari solved the porpoising issue by limiting it only on the straights. It's solving the issue in a way that they just mitigate where the porpoising should occur.