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Hi Dom excellent video can you do a Video of How 1999 short season had a crazy Domino effect so many games in that short Time definitely Ruined some Nba Careers (Patrick Ewing Grant Hill,Penny Hardaway). Like how you mentioned T-Mac leaving Vince to play With Grant Hill and Tim Duncan. If Grant Hill never gets hurt from that ‘99 season
Milwaukee and Charlotte trading a top 20 and a top 10 players all time for a combination of Robert Traylor and 2 years of Vlade Divac, to create an elite team and a genuine dynasty both out West needs to be talk about more. Cause damn, you'd be disappointed if you get that package for an all star now.
I agree that LeBron had more help but the level of competition LeBron had to face in the finals night have been harder when LeBron had to play the KD Warriors. I'm from Chicago and I don't think the Jordan Bulls could beat the KD Warriors
@@Christo_Trismegistusplus he had the super team Celtics, the Lowry derozan raptors and those pg oladipo pacers teams to face. The east as a whole was weak but the top teams were still elite.
I feel like part of it is that a lot of free agents prefer to go to a destination out west. With the exception of New York or Miami ofc. Weather seems to be a factor as well.
@@konzzanah pheonix is actully a city a lot enjoy and places like that are close to vegas and Houston and Dallas are also hot cities there defiantly more out west
@@lakernation26 e expect it isn’t u do realise pheonix is Lori the 6th highest populated city in the us and is drive away from Vegas and la like 5 hours by car ?
@@jrdb04Phoenix IS in a desert though. A desert is not an attractive place to go if weather is the main factor. Houston in comparison is a humid, sprawling coastal city that’s actually bigger than Phoenix too.
To me, it was a combination of poor decision-making from the Eastern front offices, less star power (or lack thereof), (super)stars moving from east to west, and less attractive free agent destinations. Also, it was always the bottom half of the East that crippled it mainly. 31:38
Kobe, Duncan were top 5 for 15 years and never left. Add in Dirk, Nash, KG, etc and more than likely they have 4 of top 5 and 8 of top 10 players in the league. It’s all about where the best players are. Only one team can have Kobe or Duncan and if that’s where they are that’s where the advantage is.
I would say 2 key parts that make the East so weak is: -Out west, the toughness of the competition is naturally going to incentivize FOs to either tank well or build contending teams. Meanwhile the East has franchises like the Wizards or Bulls that are always mediocre/awful -Teams that want to tank out West have a advantage playing tougher teams more times rather than the bad East teams
@@2Quick4You100that means nothing when 6 out of the next 8 hung there uniforms mostly out west magic Kobe Duncan hakeem shaq if u u wanna throw curry in there and Kareem
nah, its definitely not at its worst but it was pretty bad in the late 90s and early 2000s, after bulls and up until the pistons won something then it dipped again
This was a truly phenomenal piece that sums up everything I've thought over the last 14 years of my life and being out east, hating the "west is always better" conversation. Thank you
The west has been significantly better and harder to maneuver through and make the finals the entirety of the time I’ve been alive. Pacers made the ECF last season while if they were in the west they wouldn’t have made it out of the play in if they even made the play in. Being in the east is a good way to get 5 extra wins if you are actually a legit team, you get more rest up until the finals and is a big factor when discussing the goat. If we open the conferences and just seed 1-16 would actually let us see who the best team is.
I know it probably takes a long time to make these videos as well as you do, but I wish these would come out a bit more frequently. This content is what keeps me on TH-cam
I like the 55 year old men in here talking about “uh no remember the 80s” as if that wasn’t almost half a century ago lol. 90s- completely dominated by MJ. 2000s - random bullshit until Lebron while the West was a complete bloodbath with two concurrent dynasties and 50 win teams all the way down the playoff bracket year in year out. Late 2000s - Early 2010s - Celtics or Lebron/Heat Rest of 2010s - Lebron Early 2020s - Celtics or Heat except the one year of Milwaukee Even now during the era of parity where the East is the strongest it’s been in decades, it’s still super top heavy while in the West it feels like there’s 10 playoff teams every year.
West has not been as good relatively in terms of all of those lower teams. They’ve been good, usually better than the East, but I wouldn’t say 2000’s good. OKC is still young, Mavs were inexperienced, Grizzlies have been young and up and coming, Pelicans have been working with Zion, the Lakers have had various issues or just a lacking roster, Minnesota just came up, and now the Warriors are completely out of the picture. Clippers have had issues as well. That’s about all the major ones, IIRC, over the last 4-5 years
Most of the continually losing franchises are often regulated to the East, since like the ABA--NBA merger, while alot of them just aren't free agent destinations. Cleveland, Orlando, Charlotte, Detroit, Brooklyn/New Jersey... The Western Conference has had alot more parity with different teams making the playoffs or capturing home-field advantages for over 30 years, and often the gap is not too great between #1 seed vs. #6/#7. There's been quite a few seasons where those teams are only separated by 5 or less wins.
Jordan's second retirement from the bulls just happened to be at the same time as the start of the Lakers-Spurs rivalry. The Spurs won their last Championship in 2014, and the Warriors dynasty got their first title the following season. I think that pretty much explains how the west became dominant.
I thought about this for a while since this was posted, I believe it’s actually manipulated that way. Most of your big markets are in the eastern conference so if you keep the Eastern conference week, it’s much easier for your Boston, your New York your Phillys, Chicago etc to get to the finals.
Milwaukee screwed itself during the late 90s through all of the 2000s. Could’ve paired Ray Allen with Dirk, but chose to ship him to Dallas for nothing. Let Coach Karl destroy the 2001 team before dipping himself. Blew multiple draft picks to surround Micheal Redd with nothing. Chose Monte Ellis over Steph Curry. And lucked into drafting Giannis and also proceeded to not put the best roster around him.
Serious career altering injuries aren't the exception but the norm. Even Kobe and MJ (in D.C). That's a major reason why guys like Kareem and LeBron are in the GOAT conversation and 1, 2 in scoring all time. Would LeBron be in the GOAT conversation if his career lasted as long as say Magics? 2 championship and 3 or 4 losses. No ring for Cleveland. No big finals comeback. No career records. Etc etc
Every time peoples talk about Anthony at Detroit, they always forget that will likely means no trade for Rasheed Wallace in the 03-04 season so who thinks the pistons could win the title in 2004 and make the finals in 2005 without Rasheed ?
Boston really got snakebit in the 90s. And if you really do a deep dive into Reggie Lewis alone, he always gave Jordan a run for his money. Safe to assume the Bulls may not have got 6 had Bird's back not given out and the two deaths. Goes to show you how much sports medicine and treatments are night and day from then to now because Bird was only 11 years in by 1991.
Honestly I’m amazed I watched this whole video through, but great job! Very informative and entertaining, always love the nba hypotheticals we’ll always wonder.
Great video. The East today feels top heavy, with multiple unproven contenders being at the top. I always thought West teams just had better front offices, but damn injuries really did shut out a lot of potential in the East.
Even with the west seeming better the GSW, Spurs and Lakers were in the finals every year 2000-2020. OKC once and Dallas twice. East was Boston, NJ, Toronto, Orlando, Cleveland, Miami, Detroit. Lebron was in like 10 finals.
@@chrisuncleahmad666 Depth of a conference isn't based off of "winning championships". It's based of all star, all nba, all defense talent and regular season wins.
80s is clearly a "strong East weak West era", 87 Lakers was one of the greatest team ever, but also run though arguably the weakest first 3 rounds ever until facing Boston.
I actually believe that the reason the East has felt weak is because the West has historically drafted better than the East on top of people leaving for Western conference destinations. Especially recently the West has been better at drafting. I can't remember for the Wizards except for Beal and Wall, for the Hornets since Lamelo Ball, Pistons drafting ???? (Drummond isn't that good) Nets drafting Allen, New York ???. Most of the top end talent on East teams except the Celtics, Philly, Miami, Milwaukee (even then having Jrue and Dame on the team) and Orlando were drafted in the West. It says a lot when it seems these organisations consistently miss on drafting. It seems only Miami, Boston and Toronto have been good at drafting great players over the last 15 years.
Even back in the 80's the West was a bloodbath! Even though the Lakers pretty much made the Finals every year, there were tough teams they had to go through! The Rockets went to the Finals twice in the 80's. The Trailblazer teams of the late eighties and early nineties were pretty great, making two Finals. Those Jazz teams were right there every year finally breaking through in 97 & 98. The Sonics were always tough. The Suns. The Spurs.
@@jamesflanagan7693 No. Certainly not compared to the East. 4 teams in the East won titles from 1980-1990. They had to fight each other for a chance to play the Lakers, who for many seasons were the only 50+ win team in the West, and a majority of of the easiest title runs in modern history were done by the Showtime Lakers. Do not compare the 80s West to the 80s East. There is no comparison which conference was tougher.
80’s West sucked. Worst that Conference has been since ever. It’s literally only the Magic that were good enough during the VAST majority of that decade, and you have other teams that were good for at least a bit, but not even close to the Lakers. Teams like that would include the Mavs, the Blazers (pre 89), the SuperSonics, the Suns, and the Jazz. The Rockets are the only real competition that they had, and that practically ran out the window once Sampson wasn’t playing. The Blazers eventually got to that level, but even they weren’t good *enough*. The 80’s in general was just such a ludicrously too heavy league, that it was just the Lakers and Celtics and then Pistons for damn near every single Finals matchup and top seed and MVP and DPOY. Ludicrously too heavy. (Edit: Add the early 76ers) To elaborate more, the Jazz weren’t that good, and Malone and Stockton needed time to develop and improve. Spurs are practically a joke. Suns never got good enough until Barkley joined. Sonics weren’t really good til the mid 90’s. Only the Rockets really matched up out West, and mind you, that was with less teams than in the modern day, even when people think of the 80’s as the start of the modern era
@@juliothom2408 Absolutely. Lakers had MULTIPLE losing record teams they faced in the Playoffs. East I think only had MJ, and that was more the rest of the East not being nearly as good as the top teams
After the 80s, West for the most part always had a number of contenders with some teams behind them that could compete. East is usually top heavy or dominated by 1 team/player. There are some outlier years for both but I believe that's been the trend.
West hit on their top picks and the east didn’t throughout the 2000s. Also LeBron teaming up with other top stars in the same conference made it less competitive in the 2010s
What a MONSTER of a video... I was going to say add some licensed music and flashy graphics and it could be in ESPN but it was better than 95% of what's on ESPN.
It's been a long time since I've seen one of your videos and I get why. A one hour long video titled "Why has the Eastern Conference felt weak most of your life" just to explain it's because it was weak.
Peak physical performance is in late afternoon/ early evening. So when eastern conference teams go west on a road trip they are playing much later and way past their peak performance that day. When west teams go east they’re essentially playing at the most ideal time of day physically.
It’s geography based. Nearly the entire eastern conference is located on the eastern coast line of the US, with only a few teams in the middle of the country and even a lot of teams that should be in the east are in the west. When you geographically only have teams in maybe 25% of the country while the west dominates the rest of the country geographically, it seems nearly impossible to have balance. Get rid of conferences please, they aren’t necessary.
The leastern conference has several things working against it. The west coast has more desirable locations, so free agents with star power tend to prefer going west and the west tends to have better run organizations. The spurs have struggled recently built up by solid drafting and a cornerstone in duncan. Same with the mavs and gsw. The clippers and LA attract star power. The franchises in NY are ran very poorly so the star power is irrelevant. The heat are ran well, but don't have any elite supetstars since the heatles broke up. The 76ers are a joke. Chicago hasn't been relevant for what feels like 30 years though they had a brief glimpse of hope with rose.
I think most of weakness of the East can be explained from bad FO of the Knicks, which failed to create a culture such as Celtics and Heat to support superstars to sign and live in a huge market of NY. Knicks and Nets must build up before bring superstars, as Nets demonstrated in failed Big 3. Moreover, the Bulls is suffering since the end of 90's dinasty, so Chicago is another big market in the East that is not attractive. In the end of the day, only Boston and Miami have a signature culture and their recent success in East playoffs summarizes why these teams are the only really strong in that conference. It is always those two teams with a couple of wild cards that made good drafts and trades that goes to the semi-finals...
West coast teams benefit from the time difference & the weather not weighing their bodies down all winter. They go on East coast trips and rebound quicker than an East team feel like it’s like that in every sport.
The weather I’ll give u but the time zone no when they travel east they loose 3 hours of sleep there ata. Disadvantage I’m that and it’s proven in every other sport the east coast teams are usslay the top teams in baseball new york football until the chiefs dynasty it was the patriots the giants won some rings and most of the teams in the super bowl were east coast or central time zone teams
Look at where the big names that would go on to dominate the west landed. KG to the Wolves, Nets pass on Kobe to take Kerry Kittles, Hornets draft him and trade him to the Lakers, Peja to the Kings, The Celtics have the worst record in 1997, yet got the 5th pick while the Spurs got the first pick and the right to draft Tim Duncan. The Cavs trade Dirk for Tractor Traylor (god rest his soul). Spurs get Manu Ginobili in 1999 in the 2nd round. Hawks trade Pau to the Grizzlies for Shareef Abdul Rahim. Spurs draft Tony Parker, Yao Ming goes to the Rockets, Suns get Amarie, Pistons pass on Melo for Darko, Hawks and Bucks pass on Chris Paul and Deron Williams for Bogut and Marvin Williams. The Bulls trade Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas, Sonics draft Kevin Durant, Sonics draft Westbrook. Curry and Harden end up on the Warriors and Thunder. Demarcus Cousins to the Kings, Kawhi gets traded to the Spurs for George Hill. AD to the Pelicans. The west constantly gets better draft luck as well. Despite the east having more number 1 picks or top picks. But the west gets them in years when it really matters see Wemby in 2023.
Only the Celtics were winning titles in the East in the 80s. Well the Lakers were the only ones winning in the West. People also say the West sucked but they were damn good teams as well. Lakers and Celtics dominated the 80s.
The thing is, it's not just LeBron dominating it. The other teams just regularly find it hard to break the 49-win threshold (the "this is a playoff team") barrier. Even with LeBron in the Eastern Conference throughout the 2010s, the fact that the Eastern Conference regularly has so few teams. Even if LeBron's team beats every playoff team in the regular season 3 times out of 4 or 2 times out of 3, there still should be 4-5 games to make that difference, but it doesn't. It's jarring how bad the Eastern Conference is. The West almost always has 1 or 2 extra teams that break that threshold. The sole exception to this rule, barring the 2011 Lockout, was 2018, where the Rockets and Warriors were the only teams that broke the threshold in the 2010s. That's 8 out of 10 seasons where the West had it. Yikes for the East.
I find that weird two like the only time the east had more than 2 50 win teams post lockout to Lebron leaving was 2015 with that shitshow of a hawks team winning 60 games like it’s amazing how trash the overall conference record was been with team u expected to do something like the pacers when they were first seed had like 53 wins not bad but that’s like a 4th seed in the conference over
@ clearly u didn’t watch the video it wa bette than the west like 4 year right after Lebron left and one team dominating dosnt translate to weak also 2008 through 2011 was not weak and taht was before Lebron dominated so L take all around
In my lifetime, i look at the front offices: Charlotte, Detroit, Orlando, Brooklyn, Philly, New York. All had one or multiple periods of HISTORIC awfulness. All in the East. Again, my lifetime.
Your name must sir cap a lot because your words are straight from cap a lot records. The T wolves were better than East teams till KG left, the suns were better than any team in the East. The West had 5 or 6 teams every year that were better than the best team in the East. The East has been the weaker conference for 40 years top to bottom
I think you miss just the statistical part of that if the west is stronger, their records will be lower than what they should be cause of the harder competition, why in the East teams will win more games than they should because they face more weak competition. So then the west teams getting top draft picks are better than the east teams getting top draft picks and hence can rebuild quicker
@@chrisuncleahmad666nah, the west still play 40% of their games against east teams, and have had an embarrassingly good record against the east for a lot of the past 20 years. In terms of players, the amount of western players that made the ALL NBA teams compared to the east was insane , especially in the 2000s to late 2010’s, it’s why a lot of people wanted it to be an overall all star game as supposed to having an east/west split in its selection, cause of how easy making the all star team out east was, in the west you had to be an all nba player, in the east just a good role player on a team that wins.
Boston Celtics vs Philadelphia 76ers 1981 series is the greatest NBA series of all time - and Boston vs Philly was the greatest rivalry of the 80s in NBA, not Lakers vs Celtics
Stg I been saying this as Bron being my goat in a debate that MJ played no one after Detroit, lakers, and Boston championship teams disassembled an im an 80s baby I grew up on Mike but when I got older I realize he played nowhere near the competition Bron faced plus they only bring up his 91-98 years they never bring up the earlier years when he got swept damn near first round every year smdh
Nobody fumbled the Tony Parker draft. Nobody expected Tony to be good enough for the NBA especially with his size and being from France. You can't say that the Celtics fumbled the tony parker draft. Guy was picked on 2nd round.
Let’s be real the 90’s teams where weak in general, non of those teams in the west where these historical all time teams we talk about now, and it’s not even due to age because we still talk about the 80’s Celtics and Lakers, the greatest team you could say aside from the bulls was the Jazz who never even won anything and you can’t even say it was only because of Jordan because Stockton and Malone played 2 decades. It wasn’t just the east that was weak in the 90’s
Stop with the "Boston lit fire under players" crap. Lebron, Melo, and Wade got together years earlier to sign deals to make sure they were free agents together in the summer of 2010. That means they conspired to do this in 06 long before Boston had their big 3. This has been reported everywhere and even Wade admitted it. Melo screwed it up by signing a longer deal so Lebron and Wade recruited Bosh to join them. And Wade admitted they did this because of Kobe winning b2b.
Expect Lebron has said in interviews that he littlery did that partially because he wanted to beat Boston wich is evident when him and Wade almost CRIED when they beat them that very first year who are u so wrong with sound bites yea the big 3 was planned for whirl bot Boston made that timeline faster also that thing with melo is lie cause he wasn’t dre agent he was on his last year with Denver and wa traded halfway through that year THEN signed so that’s a lie
The Eastern Conference hasn't been weak since 2019. - The best team is in the East. - The best offense is in the East. - The best defense is in the East. - The East has more MVP candidates. The dudes saying the East is weak are still living in 2016.
The Eastern Conference is straight trash right now apart from the Cavs and Celtics, 5th place in the East right could have you 13th in the West right now.. NBA needs to do something...
@@unphazd5137 "The 5th seed in the Eastern Conference would be a the 13th seed in the Western Conference." Stop lying! 😂 The Indiana Pacers would be bustin' ass in the Western Conference, and they're the 10th seed.
1:12:24 Man if Greg Odon has gone to the Eastern Conference... Man that's one of those massive what ifs. I mean if he had played 36.7 career minutes in the East instead of in the West...
People sleep on the East in the 2020s… since 2019 the East has been very good… the only year that was bad was last year and it had an HISTORIC amount of injuries… love the video fr, but it’s such a stretch how people were talking about the East like it’s still horrible. Most of 2010s and 2000s were bad absolutely
Nah alright Dom..you really out here huffing that Lebron nonsense. 2-2 in Miami was "relatively disappointing," brother he publicly stated they were gonna win 8 straight. He wasn't joking. Nah...half this video is coping for Lebron. Shoulda known.
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This vid was supposed to drop the day Kat got traded lol
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Hi Dom excellent video can you do a Video of How 1999 short season had a crazy Domino effect so many games in that short Time definitely Ruined some Nba Careers (Patrick Ewing Grant Hill,Penny Hardaway). Like how you mentioned T-Mac leaving Vince to play With Grant Hill and Tim Duncan. If Grant Hill never gets hurt from that ‘99 season
Milwaukee and Charlotte trading a top 20 and a top 10 players all time for a combination of Robert Traylor and 2 years of Vlade Divac, to create an elite team and a genuine dynasty both out West needs to be talk about more. Cause damn, you'd be disappointed if you get that package for an all star now.
you think the 1999 season should have been cancelled? dont think ive ever seen an nhl fan say they wanted their 2004-2005 season cancelled in hockey
The problem with the East is that it’s been dominated by just one guy since 1990. The East literally goes Jordan, randomness in the 2000s, Lebron.
@@urbaindelva7869you’re a goofy for trying to turn this to a jordan v bron debate… straight up dull minded
I agree that LeBron had more help but the level of competition LeBron had to face in the finals night have been harder when LeBron had to play the KD Warriors. I'm from Chicago and I don't think the Jordan Bulls could beat the KD Warriors
@@Christo_Trismegistusbro even the drose bulls was a tough team to beat fr
@@urbaindelva7869literally has nothing to do with what he said 🤦♂️
@@Christo_Trismegistusplus he had the super team Celtics, the Lowry derozan raptors and those pg oladipo pacers teams to face. The east as a whole was weak but the top teams were still elite.
I feel like part of it is that a lot of free agents prefer to go to a destination out west. With the exception of New York or Miami ofc. Weather seems to be a factor as well.
Well... It's only LA and San Francisco attracting free agents in west, so there is no difference in that regard.
@@konzzanah pheonix is actully a city a lot enjoy and places like that are close to vegas and Houston and Dallas are also hot cities there defiantly more out west
@@jrdb04phoenix is basically a desert LA it’s a nice area
@@lakernation26 e expect it isn’t u do realise pheonix is Lori the 6th highest populated city in the us and is drive away from Vegas and la like 5 hours by car ?
@@jrdb04Phoenix IS in a desert though. A desert is not an attractive place to go if weather is the main factor. Houston in comparison is a humid, sprawling coastal city that’s actually bigger than Phoenix too.
To me, it was a combination of poor decision-making from the Eastern front offices, less star power (or lack thereof), (super)stars moving from east to west, and less attractive free agent destinations. Also, it was always the bottom half of the East that crippled it mainly.
31:38
It’s geographical based. Look at how little space the east takes up compared to the west. It’s all basically on the eastern coastline
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Kobe, Duncan were top 5 for 15 years and never left. Add in Dirk, Nash, KG, etc and more than likely they have 4 of top 5 and 8 of top 10 players in the league.
It’s all about where the best players are. Only one team can have Kobe or Duncan and if that’s where they are that’s where the advantage is.
I would say 2 key parts that make the East so weak is:
-Out west, the toughness of the competition is naturally going to incentivize FOs to either tank well or build contending teams. Meanwhile the East has franchises like the Wizards or Bulls that are always mediocre/awful
-Teams that want to tank out West have a advantage playing tougher teams more times rather than the bad East teams
The 2 best players ever are in the east
@@2Quick4You100that means nothing when 6 out of the next 8 hung there uniforms mostly out west magic Kobe Duncan hakeem shaq if u u wanna throw curry in there and Kareem
@@2Quick4You100na kobe better than expansion easy era mj
@@jrdb04curry hahah fk iutta here he belongs no where near the top 15
It’s overblown. I remember when the 80s had multiple title winners when LA was the only team in the West winning 50.
nah, its definitely not at its worst but it was pretty bad in the late 90s and early 2000s, after bulls and up until the pistons won something then it dipped again
I agree but the title of the video and the demographic is probably focused at younger people who it is true for
80s was a phenomenal era for east. Lakers we’re just amazing
The 80s was 40 years ago the east had been bad for quite a while
@@mike04574 East had a positive win rate in 96, 97, 98 & 99. Then they had 1 positive year in the next 22 years.
This was a truly phenomenal piece that sums up everything I've thought over the last 14 years of my life and being out east, hating the "west is always better" conversation. Thank you
The West was propped up by 2 teams for the entire 2000s
The west has been significantly better and harder to maneuver through and make the finals the entirety of the time I’ve been alive. Pacers made the ECF last season while if they were in the west they wouldn’t have made it out of the play in if they even made the play in. Being in the east is a good way to get 5 extra wins if you are actually a legit team, you get more rest up until the finals and is a big factor when discussing the goat. If we open the conferences and just seed 1-16 would actually let us see who the best team is.
I know it probably takes a long time to make these videos as well as you do, but I wish these would come out a bit more frequently. This content is what keeps me on TH-cam
This is pretty much an extended/expanded version of a video he did covering the Eastern Conference from 2000-2019
I like the 55 year old men in here talking about “uh no remember the 80s” as if that wasn’t almost half a century ago lol.
90s- completely dominated by MJ.
2000s - random bullshit until Lebron while the West was a complete bloodbath with two concurrent dynasties and 50 win teams all the way down the playoff bracket year in year out.
Late 2000s - Early 2010s - Celtics or Lebron/Heat
Rest of 2010s - Lebron
Early 2020s - Celtics or Heat except the one year of Milwaukee
Even now during the era of parity where the East is the strongest it’s been in decades, it’s still super top heavy while in the West it feels like there’s 10 playoff teams every year.
*Finally!*
Someone says this.
90s - Knicks, Pacers, Pistons, and MJ
@@Embiidisthebestplayeritl Not even the Pistons, because they were either old or it was just Grant Hill on those teams.
West has not been as good relatively in terms of all of those lower teams. They’ve been good, usually better than the East, but I wouldn’t say 2000’s good. OKC is still young, Mavs were inexperienced, Grizzlies have been young and up and coming, Pelicans have been working with Zion, the Lakers have had various issues or just a lacking roster, Minnesota just came up, and now the Warriors are completely out of the picture. Clippers have had issues as well. That’s about all the major ones, IIRC, over the last 4-5 years
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Knicks and Pacers were always behind MJ tho, unfortunately. But they were amazing
Most of the continually losing franchises are often regulated to the East, since like the ABA--NBA merger, while alot of them just aren't free agent destinations. Cleveland, Orlando, Charlotte, Detroit, Brooklyn/New Jersey... The Western Conference has had alot more parity with different teams making the playoffs or capturing home-field advantages for over 30 years, and often the gap is not too great between #1 seed vs. #6/#7. There's been quite a few seasons where those teams are only separated by 5 or less wins.
Jordan's second retirement from the bulls just happened to be at the same time as the start of the Lakers-Spurs rivalry. The Spurs won their last Championship in 2014, and the Warriors dynasty got their first title the following season. I think that pretty much explains how the west became dominant.
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I thought about this for a while since this was posted, I believe it’s actually manipulated that way. Most of your big markets are in the eastern conference so if you keep the Eastern conference week, it’s much easier for your Boston, your New York your Phillys, Chicago etc to get to the finals.
Yeah pretty much...
In many seasons the WCF was the actual Finals.
Auerbach was so good, the grim reaper had to intervene... twice!
Na they had a Mafia that controlled the league he was a cheater
Milwaukee screwed itself during the late 90s through all of the 2000s. Could’ve paired Ray Allen with Dirk, but chose to ship him to Dallas for nothing. Let Coach Karl destroy the 2001 team before dipping himself. Blew multiple draft picks to surround Micheal Redd with nothing. Chose Monte Ellis over Steph Curry. And lucked into drafting Giannis and also proceeded to not put the best roster around him.
0:15 thats a crazy fit icl😭😭
Serious career altering injuries aren't the exception but the norm. Even Kobe and MJ (in D.C). That's a major reason why guys like Kareem and LeBron are in the GOAT conversation and 1, 2 in scoring all time. Would LeBron be in the GOAT conversation if his career lasted as long as say Magics? 2 championship and 3 or 4 losses. No ring for Cleveland. No big finals comeback. No career records. Etc etc
Every time peoples talk about Anthony at Detroit, they always forget that will likely means no trade for Rasheed Wallace in the 03-04 season so who thinks the pistons could win the title in 2004 and make the finals in 2005 without Rasheed ?
Boston really got snakebit in the 90s. And if you really do a deep dive into Reggie Lewis alone, he always gave Jordan a run for his money.
Safe to assume the Bulls may not have got 6 had Bird's back not given out and the two deaths.
Goes to show you how much sports medicine and treatments are night and day from then to now because Bird was only 11 years in by 1991.
Nah. They were going to destroy the Celtics once the Bulls were at their best.
Honestly I’m amazed I watched this whole video through, but great job! Very informative and entertaining, always love the nba hypotheticals we’ll always wonder.
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As a relatively new NBA fan (5 years), this was a wicked rundown.
I learned a bunch - great work mate!
The fixed Draft Lottery in the NBA is why! Period!
Great video. The East today feels top heavy, with multiple unproven contenders being at the top. I always thought West teams just had better front offices, but damn injuries really did shut out a lot of potential in the East.
Even with the west seeming better the GSW, Spurs and Lakers were in the finals every year 2000-2020. OKC once and Dallas twice. East was Boston, NJ, Toronto, Orlando, Cleveland, Miami, Detroit. Lebron was in like 10 finals.
Because the East never build teams with depth.. they draft terrible and almost always give up the stars/or lose them to a western team.
The West had no depth. LA won 5 titles with basically 2-man teams
@@chrisuncleahmad666 Depth of a conference isn't based off of "winning championships". It's based of all star, all nba, all defense talent and regular season wins.
80s is clearly a "strong East weak West era", 87 Lakers was one of the greatest team ever, but also run though arguably the weakest first 3 rounds ever until facing Boston.
I actually believe that the reason the East has felt weak is because the West has historically drafted better than the East on top of people leaving for Western conference destinations. Especially recently the West has been better at drafting. I can't remember for the Wizards except for Beal and Wall, for the Hornets since Lamelo Ball, Pistons drafting ???? (Drummond isn't that good) Nets drafting Allen, New York ???. Most of the top end talent on East teams except the Celtics, Philly, Miami, Milwaukee (even then having Jrue and Dame on the team) and Orlando were drafted in the West. It says a lot when it seems these organisations consistently miss on drafting. It seems only Miami, Boston and Toronto have been good at drafting great players over the last 15 years.
I would add Indiana to that list due to their 2010s squad, and maybe Haliburton. Indy just cant keep stars past the first contract.
amazing video. i love going through history and hearing you narrate it Dom makes it so much better, you’re a great teacher and ball historian
Even back in the 80's the West was a bloodbath! Even though the Lakers pretty much made the Finals every year, there were tough teams they had to go through! The Rockets went to the Finals twice in the 80's. The Trailblazer teams of the late eighties and early nineties were pretty great, making two Finals. Those Jazz teams were right there every year finally breaking through in 97 & 98. The Sonics were always tough. The Suns. The Spurs.
@@jamesflanagan7693 No. Certainly not compared to the East.
4 teams in the East won titles from 1980-1990. They had to fight each other for a chance to play the Lakers, who for many seasons were the only 50+ win team in the West, and a majority of of the easiest title runs in modern history were done by the Showtime Lakers.
Do not compare the 80s West to the 80s East. There is no comparison which conference was tougher.
80’s West sucked. Worst that Conference has been since ever.
It’s literally only the Magic that were good enough during the VAST majority of that decade, and you have other teams that were good for at least a bit, but not even close to the Lakers. Teams like that would include the Mavs, the Blazers (pre 89), the SuperSonics, the Suns, and the Jazz. The Rockets are the only real competition that they had, and that practically ran out the window once Sampson wasn’t playing. The Blazers eventually got to that level, but even they weren’t good *enough*.
The 80’s in general was just such a ludicrously too heavy league, that it was just the Lakers and Celtics and then Pistons for damn near every single Finals matchup and top seed and MVP and DPOY. Ludicrously too heavy. (Edit: Add the early 76ers)
To elaborate more, the Jazz weren’t that good, and Malone and Stockton needed time to develop and improve. Spurs are practically a joke. Suns never got good enough until Barkley joined. Sonics weren’t really good til the mid 90’s. Only the Rockets really matched up out West, and mind you, that was with less teams than in the modern day, even when people think of the 80’s as the start of the modern era
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Absolutely. Lakers had MULTIPLE losing record teams they faced in the Playoffs. East I think only had MJ, and that was more the rest of the East not being nearly as good as the top teams
After the 80s, West for the most part always had a number of contenders with some teams behind them that could compete. East is usually top heavy or dominated by 1 team/player. There are some outlier years for both but I believe that's been the trend.
Yes, this is true. The East tends to have only 1 or 2 truly Elite teams with the rest being garbage.
Colville needed a one-time All-Star to go to three straight finals and went back to back in a loaded conference shows you he's the goat
This video right here is what made you the goat
Nice Time Wizard cameo
0:34 Bro summoned a chair 😭
In the early 2000s, the 11th seed in the west would have been a 3rd-4th seed in the east.
Great Video Dom2k. Stuff like this gives me nostalgia
The fact is most Eastern conference teams have been not managed very well compared to those in the West
Yesterday I learned that Jack Sikma ended his NBA career with Milwaukee
West hit on their top picks and the east didn’t throughout the 2000s.
Also LeBron teaming up with other top stars in the same conference made it less competitive in the 2010s
Boston did it first
@ no. Boston traded for Ray Allen and KG. Also their big 3 were 32+ yrs old. Miami signed all 3 of their stars at their absolute peaks
Good work. I can see you are a serious hoopHead! Respect.
What a MONSTER of a video... I was going to say add some licensed music and flashy graphics and it could be in ESPN but it was better than 95% of what's on ESPN.
It's been a long time since I've seen one of your videos and I get why.
A one hour long video titled "Why has the Eastern Conference felt weak most of your life" just to explain it's because it was weak.
video soundtrack fye for no reason
Lmfao, The nets had Jason Kidd and yeahhhhh, K Mart was not a scrub at all.
WE LOVE THE HOUR LONG VIDEOS, LFG
Peak physical performance is in late afternoon/ early evening. So when eastern conference teams go west on a road trip they are playing much later and way past their peak performance that day. When west teams go east they’re essentially playing at the most ideal time of day physically.
It’s geography based. Nearly the entire eastern conference is located on the eastern coast line of the US, with only a few teams in the middle of the country and even a lot of teams that should be in the east are in the west. When you geographically only have teams in maybe 25% of the country while the west dominates the rest of the country geographically, it seems nearly impossible to have balance. Get rid of conferences please, they aren’t necessary.
NBA's way too biased towards the West
14:45 Never even knew about their relationship. That’s crazy.
Wouldn’t expect them to be friends much less best friends.
The leastern conference has several things working against it. The west coast has more desirable locations, so free agents with star power tend to prefer going west and the west tends to have better run organizations. The spurs have struggled recently built up by solid drafting and a cornerstone in duncan. Same with the mavs and gsw. The clippers and LA attract star power. The franchises in NY are ran very poorly so the star power is irrelevant. The heat are ran well, but don't have any elite supetstars since the heatles broke up. The 76ers are a joke. Chicago hasn't been relevant for what feels like 30 years though they had a brief glimpse of hope with rose.
This is very sad but true
I think most of weakness of the East can be explained from bad FO of the Knicks, which failed to create a culture such as Celtics and Heat to support superstars to sign and live in a huge market of NY. Knicks and Nets must build up before bring superstars, as Nets demonstrated in failed Big 3. Moreover, the Bulls is suffering since the end of 90's dinasty, so Chicago is another big market in the East that is not attractive. In the end of the day, only Boston and Miami have a signature culture and their recent success in East playoffs summarizes why these teams are the only really strong in that conference. It is always those two teams with a couple of wild cards that made good drafts and trades that goes to the semi-finals...
Each time you post, I'm excited!
Been waiting for this one
West coast teams benefit from the time difference & the weather not weighing their bodies down all winter. They go on East coast trips and rebound quicker than an East team feel like it’s like that in every sport.
The weather I’ll give u but the time zone no when they travel east they loose 3 hours of sleep there ata. Disadvantage I’m that and it’s proven in every other sport the east coast teams are usslay the top teams in baseball new york football until the chiefs dynasty it was the patriots the giants won some rings and most of the teams in the super bowl were east coast or central time zone teams
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Look at where the big names that would go on to dominate the west landed. KG to the Wolves, Nets pass on Kobe to take Kerry Kittles, Hornets draft him and trade him to the Lakers, Peja to the Kings, The Celtics have the worst record in 1997, yet got the 5th pick while the Spurs got the first pick and the right to draft Tim Duncan. The Cavs trade Dirk for Tractor Traylor (god rest his soul). Spurs get Manu Ginobili in 1999 in the 2nd round. Hawks trade Pau to the Grizzlies for Shareef Abdul Rahim. Spurs draft Tony Parker, Yao Ming goes to the Rockets, Suns get Amarie, Pistons pass on Melo for Darko, Hawks and Bucks pass on Chris Paul and Deron Williams for Bogut and Marvin Williams. The Bulls trade Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas, Sonics draft Kevin Durant, Sonics draft Westbrook. Curry and Harden end up on the Warriors and Thunder. Demarcus Cousins to the Kings, Kawhi gets traded to the Spurs for George Hill. AD to the Pelicans. The west constantly gets better draft luck as well. Despite the east having more number 1 picks or top picks. But the west gets them in years when it really matters see Wemby in 2023.
Only the Celtics were winning titles in the East in the 80s. Well the Lakers were the only ones winning in the West. People also say the West sucked but they were damn good teams as well. Lakers and Celtics dominated the 80s.
You make dope videos, keep up the good work my brother.
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I get depression every time i think of the pistons' draft fumble on melo. Could have dominated that decade.
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The thing is, it's not just LeBron dominating it. The other teams just regularly find it hard to break the 49-win threshold (the "this is a playoff team") barrier. Even with LeBron in the Eastern Conference throughout the 2010s, the fact that the Eastern Conference regularly has so few teams. Even if LeBron's team beats every playoff team in the regular season 3 times out of 4 or 2 times out of 3, there still should be 4-5 games to make that difference, but it doesn't. It's jarring how bad the Eastern Conference is. The West almost always has 1 or 2 extra teams that break that threshold. The sole exception to this rule, barring the 2011 Lockout, was 2018, where the Rockets and Warriors were the only teams that broke the threshold in the 2010s. That's 8 out of 10 seasons where the West had it. Yikes for the East.
I find that weird two like the only time the east had more than 2 50 win teams post lockout to Lebron leaving was 2015 with that shitshow of a hawks team winning 60 games like it’s amazing how trash the overall conference record was been with team u expected to do something like the pacers when they were first seed had like 53 wins not bad but that’s like a 4th seed in the conference over
@@jrdb04 I know, right?
So why hasn’t it been dominated since lebron since it’s still weak
@ clearly u didn’t watch the video it wa bette than the west like 4 year right after Lebron left and one team dominating dosnt translate to weak also 2008 through 2011 was not weak and taht was before Lebron dominated so L take all around
Omg an hour long video, Dom’s feeding families today (aka helping me have something on so I can do homework)
With the emergence of free agency in the last 15 years or so,too many cold cities in the East lmao!
1:17:06 i love how the mavericks only have one good team in the la and spurs dynasty and it wasn't the one who one a chip
In my lifetime, i look at the front offices: Charlotte, Detroit, Orlando, Brooklyn, Philly, New York. All had one or multiple periods of HISTORIC awfulness. All in the East. Again, my lifetime.
pretty nice that new york has 2 pretty bad front offices
The East was tough in the 80s. Weak ever since.
Why do you say this?
The West was basically a 2 team monopoly for the 2000s yet somehow it was percieved to be strong no matter the predictability
From 99 till 2011 only the mavs spurs and lakers came out the west then in 2012 it’s the young thunder then the spurs again for another 2 years
Was the West really weak during that time, or were the Spurs and Lakers just better than the rest? I believe the latter.
Your name must sir cap a lot because your words are straight from cap a lot records. The T wolves were better than East teams till KG left, the suns were better than any team in the East. The West had 5 or 6 teams every year that were better than the best team in the East. The East has been the weaker conference for 40 years top to bottom
@@Christo_Trismegistus Phoenix was a pretender. 7SOL basically existed to prop up San Antonio.
Nope. The west just ran into two top 10 players with great supporting casts and amazing top 2 coaches of all time
One of the main reasons could be location. I meant who wants to play in Toronto or Indiana?
What about Miami, Atlanta, New York, Brooklyn, even Orlando for weather and taxes
God I am so ready for the NBA to come back. Good shit Dom
I think you miss just the statistical part of that if the west is stronger, their records will be lower than what they should be cause of the harder competition, why in the East teams will win more games than they should because they face more weak competition. So then the west teams getting top draft picks are better than the east teams getting top draft picks and hence can rebuild quicker
glad someone finally said this, the weaker conference will always have their wins bumped up
i think thats part of the reason 2023 western conference was a blood bath
@@KlayBumpsonand that’s how so many West teams had artificially inflated win totals: the conference was weak
@@chrisuncleahmad666nah, the west still play 40% of their games against east teams, and have had an embarrassingly good record against the east for a lot of the past 20 years.
In terms of players, the amount of western players that made the ALL NBA teams compared to the east was insane , especially in the 2000s to late 2010’s, it’s why a lot of people wanted it to be an overall all star game as supposed to having an east/west split in its selection, cause of how easy making the all star team out east was, in the west you had to be an all nba player, in the east just a good role player on a team that wins.
That death beam joke got me 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Boston Celtics vs Philadelphia 76ers 1981 series is the greatest NBA series of all time - and Boston vs Philly was the greatest rivalry of the 80s in NBA, not Lakers vs Celtics
Stg I been saying this as Bron being my goat in a debate that MJ played no one after Detroit, lakers, and Boston championship teams disassembled an im an 80s baby I grew up on Mike but when I got older I realize he played nowhere near the competition Bron faced plus they only bring up his 91-98 years they never bring up the earlier years when he got swept damn near first round every year smdh
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Nobody fumbled the Tony Parker draft. Nobody expected Tony to be good enough for the NBA especially with his size and being from France. You can't say that the Celtics fumbled the tony parker draft. Guy was picked on 2nd round.
Let’s be real the 90’s teams where weak in general, non of those teams in the west where these historical all time teams we talk about now, and it’s not even due to age because we still talk about the 80’s Celtics and Lakers, the greatest team you could say aside from the bulls was the Jazz who never even won anything and you can’t even say it was only because of Jordan because Stockton and Malone played 2 decades. It wasn’t just the east that was weak in the 90’s
Wizards and Hawks don’t get any more midder than those two franchises.. it’s actually crazy
Stop with the "Boston lit fire under players" crap. Lebron, Melo, and Wade got together years earlier to sign deals to make sure they were free agents together in the summer of 2010. That means they conspired to do this in 06 long before Boston had their big 3. This has been reported everywhere and even Wade admitted it. Melo screwed it up by signing a longer deal so Lebron and Wade recruited Bosh to join them. And Wade admitted they did this because of Kobe winning b2b.
Expect Lebron has said in interviews that he littlery did that partially because he wanted to beat Boston wich is evident when him and Wade almost CRIED when they beat them that very first year who are u so wrong with sound bites yea the big 3 was planned for whirl bot Boston made that timeline faster also that thing with melo is lie cause he wasn’t dre agent he was on his last year with Denver and wa traded halfway through that year THEN signed so that’s a lie
Yup Kobe is the goat these generations are soft buddie buddy bums
@@jrdb04 Dude. Both of things can be true. Bron had planned on teaming up before. And his failures against Boston only cemented his decision.
Dom drops a vid n I click. That simple 🔥
The Eastern Conference hasn't been weak since 2019.
- The best team is in the East.
- The best offense is in the East.
- The best defense is in the East.
- The East has more MVP candidates.
The dudes saying the East is weak are still living in 2016.
The Eastern Conference is straight trash right now apart from the Cavs and Celtics, 5th place in the East right could have you 13th in the West right now.. NBA needs to do something...
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"The 5th seed in the Eastern Conference would be a the 13th seed in the Western Conference."
Stop lying! 😂 The Indiana Pacers would be bustin' ass in the Western Conference, and they're the 10th seed.
@@sayyidf.b.6378 GET THIS IMPOSTER OUT OF HERE. 2-4 they'd be 14th in the West right now tanking for rookies... The East is straight trash
Dom, great video but those loid background effects are difficult for people with sensory issues
It was weak for a long time but hasnt been for these last few years id say its about even currently
Still weak
1:12:24
Man if Greg Odon has gone to the Eastern Conference... Man that's one of those massive what ifs. I mean if he had played 36.7 career minutes in the East instead of in the West...
very well done video bro, got your self a subscriber lol
It was weak even during the Jordan era but that’s ignored
What do you mean the East was bad during Jordan's era?
@ you don’t understand?
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Jordan the lesser version of Kobe Kobe faced the best era MJ faced Cole heads 6 less teams a year less talent while stacked af his whole prime 😂
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People sleep on the East in the 2020s… since 2019 the East has been very good… the only year that was bad was last year and it had an HISTORIC amount of injuries… love the video fr, but it’s such a stretch how people were talking about the East like it’s still horrible. Most of 2010s and 2000s were bad absolutely
Pls make a realistic what ifs sim 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 (these scenarios are gold)
Nah alright Dom..you really out here huffing that Lebron nonsense. 2-2 in Miami was "relatively disappointing," brother he publicly stated they were gonna win 8 straight. He wasn't joking. Nah...half this video is coping for Lebron. Shoulda known.
He even has LeExcuse over Kobe😂. What so u expect, its his favourite player🤷🏾♂️
Because its so easy to call it The Leastern Conference lol. I kid I kid but that is part of it.
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