Impressive that Ram responded to your TH-cam channel so quickly, made a firmware fix, and sent their head engineer to explain the issue. That’s a big deal. Congrats!
@@joeb2588almost dead? Strange because I’ve been across the country with my Ram and dealers are alive and doing well. People in service and sales buying vehicles.
Personally, I didn’t think the RAM failed. Hot idle oil pressure was low by a pound or two, but not detrimental as the engineer stated. It towed the load up the hill without de-rate.
Agreed, anyone who has a basic knowledge of how a engine works knows that this test was far from a fail, if there was a true lack of oil pressure one would pretty much instantaneously there was a problem!!!
The hurricane might be a gem but that doesn't mean buyers should flood the market. Always give a new power train time to prove itself before buying. You can see this with ecoboob 3.5, tubdra 5.7, Tundra 3.5, etc.
Yes, but oil for modern vehocles is so thin that low oil pressure is more likely to occur at higher temperatures. So the modern engine design is actually more likely to cause this issue.
That’s what I’m talking about, engineers watching independent testing videos and going back and double checking their work and fixing it, shout out to Ram for taking the time to explain and fix the bugs to create a better product and shout out to TFL for doing awesome and brutal tests that put a real stress to these vehicles so the consumer can know what to choose, thanks guys, by the way I’m still in if you guys plan to open TFL Mexico 😂.
Love this story, that Ram was able to figure out what happened and fix it this quickly is impressive. Would love to see a repeat torture test to close the loop.
@ Well I guess if the fuel gauge for some reason doesn’t work and you run out of fuel, it doesn’t wreck your engine but if the oil level sensor doesn’t work for some reason and the engine runs dry on oil,,,,,, how well do you think it’d survive?
I'm really impressed that A) Alan and his team watched your video, and B) they went back and recreated it and fixed it C) that Alan was super interested in what Andre had to say. Very very impressive!!
FANTASTIC INTERVIEW!! Thank you so much for providing these detailed insights into engine construction, oil etc. etc.! Alan is such a sympathetic and knowledgeable guy! Andre and him make up the perfect interview partners for truck enthusiasts! Thanks again and many greetings from Germany 🇩🇪 (RAM Classic 5,7 Liter HEMI)
Kudos to Ram for watching this and stepping up. Really Ram, much respect from a long time mechanic, gearhead, and military test technician! I hope more Engineers from different manufacturers speak up about problems and just be more involved with the public. Regardless of make, this just makes me happy!
A great reply from the manufacturer to the issue found. Gotta admit, it did make it all the way to the top and was done with the climb when it happened. Not bad at all.
Great to see Ram engaging with real truck users. Yet everyone on YT with their cheesy “Ram has collapsed” “Ram is out of business” this is the world we live in. 🤦🏻♂️
I don’t think that saying it failed the test is really accurate. It made it up without derating, though it did give a low oil pressure warning afterwards that went away. But that doesn’t change the fact that it made it up without derating during towing and the Chevy and ford didn’t.
It’s easy for people to forget.. but in 03 when the hemi dropped with 345hp all the other trucks at the time were 225-250hp trucks lol.. it was a massive leap in power back then..
The 5.3l in my previous 2004 Silverado was rated at 289hp so the Hemi was a big step up in power. Never owned one though, I always disliked how fat and chunky the hood was compared to the older model from previous years. The newer hood and grille design still looks much nicer than those fat chunky models.
@@leecrumble3921 Indeed, the Turbo-4 in my 2020 Silverado is rated for 310hp which is good for a small four cylinder. Imagine stuffing one into an older S10 pickup. But people are just nuts for high HP in these small engines and then complain when they fail pre-maturely. The 2.7l Eco Boost in the Ranger is a biggest offender of this IMO. The Hurricane HO is pretty nuts too, putting out 500hp in a 3.0l inline-6.
@@leecrumble3921that’s why when people knock the power of the 3.6 they forget that was more than some V8s in late 90s early 2000s. For 90% of truck owners the 3.6 performs just fine
@@Slane583the 2.7 eco boost is pretty stout and reliable. That scoots in a ranger, i would have gotten in a lot of trouble back in the day if they made a 2wd regular cab with that motor
@@CS-zz2bf As much as I like my Silverado's 2.7 Turbo-4 I don't really trust its' long term reliability either along with the 2.7 EcoBoost. GM doesn't have a positive track record for reliable 4 cylinders. But it's what I have, it runs great and it'll get regular maintenance as needed to help make it last. I don't know if it had any of the v6's in it. But when my Silverado was at the dealer for recall work I got a Ranger as a rental. It was VERY peppy. Problem is it was during winter and being it was a rental the tires were garbage on it. So it also felt very unsafe to drive with how sensitive it was. Since I'm used to a Silverado I also wasn't fond of how cramped it felt inside. It's not a bad truck it's just not for me. I've watched a few bad 2.7l EcoBoost's get torn down and it's amazing how beefy they are internally. So it always surprises me how Ford hasn't sorted everything out. Some have gotten to 100K+ miles with no issues and others had engine failure at 40K miles. I guess it's just like anything.
Andre and TFL, this is very impressive. You guys in your extreme tests have helped to make this truck better. This software change wouldn’t have happened without “The Toaster”. We need to see HD trucks on the toaster, specifically the Ford, maybe that EOG F350 6.7HO you guys borrowed for Moab. 😎
Dear Roman, I do remember that commercial. I bought one. 2003 blk 4x4 1500 quad cab with a Hemi V8 on 35's The most powerful V8 in the 1/2 ton line up. Drove the heck out of it towing 4 wheeling etc.. 114,000 trouble free miles. Friend still drives it. Bought me a new truck. My dream truck since i test drove one with my dad in 1977. The first 4x4 truck. The combat proven power wagon. My truck is almost a decade old with a 392 Hemi V8. 36,000 miles so i'll be living the good old days for quite sometime. Can always rebuild the engine, buy a crate engine if i don't want a small turblow in a new one.
It makes complete sense. A couple hundred rpms make all the difference in oil pressure. I trust that guy's commitment to making a good product. He seems very dedicated.
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Considering now bad people are with maintenance, the new turbo engines will cost people a fortune in neglect required repairs. Great to see RAM respond so quickly!!!!!
Props to Ram for publicly addressing opportunities the community finds. Bad news is Tesla (and even Rivian) have displayed a long track record of doing this type of calibration in my driveway while I sleep. Cybertruck will keep getting better the longer you own it and it's already damn good. I love seeing Roman just try to spew out all of his reasons for loving cybertruck. It is too hard to rattle off the list of features, capabilities or cleaver engineering that just put it in a different league.
Thank you for arranging this interview. I thoroughly enjoyed hearing what the engineer had to say. You can tell him that a purchased a Ram Warlock last month and his responses regarding oil pressure and turbocharger durability addressed several of my concerns about the engine and reassured me about the quality of engineering that went into my truck. Please let him know I appreciate the insight.
Put the dipstick back!! Having the sensor is all nice and great, but most people that own trucks are hands-on and want to look at their own oil. Not just to check the level, but look at the color, smell it etc.. If you’re a guy/feller, you may even want to taste it 😉
COLOR of oil does not tell you the condition of the oil! ALL Oil Companies put some color of DYE in the oil, so some oils will look darker than others. There use to be an oil called "ROYAL PURPLE", where the oil was a PURPLE color when new! I don't know if it is still available.
@@wayneowen5864 Royal Purple is as common place as Mobil-1, so yes it is still around. If anything it has become more popular in recent years rather than being that mythical "purple oil" only seen on the hot-rod building shows on tv.
@@wayneowen5864 that’s BS buddy. For those of us who change our own oil and know what color it was going in, it absolutely matters what color it becomes and is important to watch that as you check over the next few thousand miles.
@@fabrian78 Sorry to dispute you, but Color oil does not tell you the condition Go change the oil in a DIESEL truck, and drive it 100 miles and look at the color! It will be black! BTW, I do change the oil in ALL my vehicle's myself.
@@wayneowen5864 We’re not talking about a diesel here.. oil changes color because of blow-by and inert gas (as well as condensation if excessive) mixing with oil over time. Oil that’s used in a manual transmission, for example, will never change color. The more oil DARKENS and SMELLS of GAS , the less protective it is. Argue all you want, this is a fact.
My 2020 BMW only has the sensor and no dipstick, so must be a European thing to think people don't want or need one. I would prefer a dipstick, because in order to check my oil I have to drive for at least 20 minutes before it will let me, wonder if the Ram is the same.
Very impressed with Ram reaching out. TFL has become a benchmark for pick up truck testing. Hopefully all automakers take TFL’s tests into consideration for present and future vehicles.
Andre is correct. The Toyota 5.7L had camshaft snapping issues leading to engine replacement. The million mile tundra required cylinder heads replaced and like 3 sets of the timing system so basically just the bottom end went 1M miles AND it wasn't the 5.7L.
I know head gaskets on the 5.7 wasn’t there a 4.7 that went a million miles. These turbo engines are a trend that need to end. The cam issue on the 5.7 tundra was early production. Talking turbos I heard Toyota bays are filled with turbo tundra n taco junk.
Well ill say im happy they responded and made a change. Dont like software fixing low oil pressure but we are in a new world. The good news is sensors last forever and "truck" engines dont use oil...
Thanks for bringing on the Engineer from RAM and getting a fix so quick! From the end of the video, my one main note on the cybertruck, great payload loaded my friends with 8 railway ties no problem. Main issue, no visibility in roundabouts! Same friend let me take it for a drive here in Carmel IN, we have over 150 roundabouts just in Carmel let alone the county, and the weird triangle A pillar blocks the approach view on the roundabouts.
You keep saying it didn't make it, but it did, and Ford and Chevy didn't. You actually drove it home afterward. You should rename this video to "Ram 1500, which made the torture test, but the oil pressure light came on afterwards. What happened?"
@@1FiftyOverlandYou haven't watched all the challenges, you don't know .Because you would know what happened Ram arrived without problems and the engine did not overheat it should not have turned off the engine this shows a lack of knowledge especially the turbo which needs time to cool down that is why you do not turn off the engine immediately this way the life of the turbine is shortened...
I agree, the dipstick elimination was not for the customer that does not look at the dipstick it was a cost cutting move. Sensors fail, how many dipsticks have you seen fail. I call BS that the dipstick was removed for the customers benefit!
As a retired Chrysler powertrain engineer I don't see a need for dipsticks. Most people don't check their oil anyway. A low oil level message is most likely more effective but most people would even ignore that.
@@davidzelkowski9948 This type of engineering thought process might be why in general CDRJ has a host of problems in the automotive industry. The attitude that we the engineers and marketing know what the customer needs instead of what the customer wants! The customer pays the wages of the employees not the engineers or marketing! We will see how these engineering/marketing decision work out for CDRJ! I predict, not very well.
That's cause your one of the rare breed like myself and those who watch this channel. That check and want that. Unfortunately we're a large minority. Most people I've talked to that we're close family or friends don't. I met many who I've checked the oil for. Many who literally aere stuck on going tens of Thousands of miles over the oilf change interval based off some I'll conceived notion. Many who never appreciated just how important the oil is. So from a manufacturers standpoint. Why waste money constructing something that few people use. If you give them a warning it's low or to change it especially. And I am not defending it. I want a oil dipstick. But I am open minded enough to know why they aren't. And I got put some of the otus on the people.
Great Job TFL for having a great reputation and the fact the Stellantis Engineers are watching AND Responding. I have a 2021 Ram Hemi. Watching to see which new truck I buy next.
I wish you guys could address engine durability from an added angle. Nice that the trucks survive the testing today. But, what can the consumer expect in 10 years? I am a mass consumer of trucks. I buy a new one about every two years. Durability shouldn't really matter that much, but my decision to buy is based on my perceived durability over time of what I am buying. I have been around a long time and some old adages are at play. Simplicity makes for better durability. That is why I have been a fan of the big V8's. Turbo's, complex emissions systems, etc. etc. have come a long way. In the past, they were the fail points of the engine. What can we expect out of them today? I really really wish you would ask the engineers what a consumer that uses a truck as a truck could expect for longevity out of these new motors. I understand that question has a lot of variables, but this is one of the answers we will never get straight from the dealer. It would be great to know what the engineers are expecting out of their products when they are in the field.
He said the new spray cast/plasma cast liner in the cylinders showed practically no wear on engines that were run full throttle for hundreds of hours on their fancy stress dyno (average customer spends 30 minutes at full throtte in a lifetime). You might have to replace bearings or rings at some point but it wont be serious machine work like boring or honing the cylinder block. I wouldn't be surprised if you seen 2 million mile hurricane engines.
The hurricane sounds like a good name bc hurricanes are powerful. Thinking deeper into that they also cause major damage and a lot of repair cost to lots of people 🧐. We will see what name they live up to.
@@jamespenner1412 I hope I’m wrong to, I know most manufacturers have had their issues with the smaller displacement turbos and with them just switching over maybe they can get it right early on. I’m just bummed everyone is moving away from the V8. I just purchased a 2024 f150 V8 bc I’m afraid they will be gone soon. Just came from 2 3.5 ecoboost f150s and I’m loving the V8 even though they have less hp and torque
Wow, great video! Great questions TFL. I love how you even got Ram to look into the poor downhill performance down the IKE. Got to give Ram credit for addressing issues and concerns with the new powertrain.
good video nice to be able to talk to Engineers with direct questions and get some answers, most truck owners at sometime will overload and overwork their trucks nice to know they will hold up.
At the end of the day I just want external oil coolers on these turbocharged trucks. Once the coolant is heated up the heat exchanger trying to cool the oil can’t keep up.
Hi TFL can you please make a video showing us how to change the oil on the Hurricane engine with no dipstick? I think it would be huge for anyone interested in this vehicle and like me , has never done an oil change without a way to check the level. Thank you
Traditionally, turboed ICEs has to run richer fuel air ratio to manage detonation from the higher pressure and heat. Not sure how these modern ones operate with regards to this.
And the GM V8s are WAY worse and slower towing. I’ve towed with them all. The 5.3 is an absolutely terrible towing engine and the 6.2 isn’t much better. This 3.0 and the ecoboosts eat their lunch.
I watch all the videos but I normally don't comment but I'm very impressed with RAM. In the future, if possible, I would love more info directly from the brands to see how they defend themselves when you introduce issues.
While you had him, you should have asked the engineer when they're going to give us a 1/2 ton Power Wagon or at least a Rebel with a front locker. Oh, and maybe a long bed version of those since there are a few guys like me out there who don't give a hoot about approach, departure or breakover angles.
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but the cummins application does the exhaust braking with the turbo, not the valves. It uses a VGT turbo which has vanes that open and close to create back pressure. They don't use a "Jake Brake" on the smaller B-series engines. So they could use some form of that turbo tech to possibly help with that. How well it would work in gas application I myself don't really know.
I really appreciate how Ram stepped up to not only address the problem but then come one and speak to what the cause was and how the addressed it. Speaking personally I’m very happy to own a turbo engine vice a V-8 when it’s properly engineered. Look at all the problems Ford has had with the 3.5 ecoboost as an example of when it’s not. Of course in fairness. The Hemi with cam/lifter issues and the GM 6.2 haven’t been problem free either. If there was an option to order a boosted engine in a HD truck with equal or greater power and torque compared to the standard gas offering I’d check that box in a heartbeat. I do find it interesting that Ford for example developed the Godzilla at great expense Vice offering a version of the 3.5 Ecoboost as they don’t feel that engine would be reliable enough for the working end of the HD truck market. Which I do wonder what percentage of gas HD truck sales or for working vice personal trucks. Maybe they are catering to the wrong market? Yes the Cybertruck is an innovative product. But in my opinion a lot of it is innovation for the sake of innovation they haven’t actually made the truck better. And sometimes with highly evolved and mature products like trucks it’s very hard to make a significant leap forward. It becomes a process of evolution rather than revolution.
Really enjoyed the video and feedback from Ram engineer. I will say as far as transmission shift strategy, that overly aggressive downshifting in tow/haul could be a handful when towing on slick roads, perhaps this hurricane wouldn't have the deceleration ability to cause issues there, but I know in some other diesel trucks it can cause some traction issues and really surprise you when you tap the brake and it downshifts to near red line. Solution , don't leave it in tow/haul on snowy roads I guess, which is what I do, but it was a learning experience. Also I think heavy towing on slow twisty mountain roads is a great test! Many people do this especially with campers. A friend of mine pulled a relatively light camper for the trucks capability and had multiple trans over temp issues. I suspect it was to slow for the torque converter to lock up, but dissapoining non the less. Thanks
This was a great video that proves TFL is doing good work that the consumer will benefit from. Good job Ram for being responsive but I believe your research is flawed RE: dipsticks. Truck owners are different so for goodness sakes bring them back on your trucks.
I’d say the Ram didn’t fail. The warning came on after they were stopped and parked and it was a warning light that the stupid thin (epa/cafe forced) oil got even thinner at a higher temperature.
The best update to the truck they can do is put the dip sticks back on the engine and transmission. It's just total stupidity and corporate greed to not have them.
Long time Ram Hemi owner here. Bought a 25' Ram with a Hurricane and I absolutely hate it! Last one that I'll ever own unless they bring back a real engine. I can't wait to get rid of this! And I've only had it 3-4 months
@@davidzelkowski9948 I bought one because of all the hype over it. I regret it everyday. Turbo lag under normal driving. Hard to maintain a steady speed. Much worse if you’re trying to pull a trailer. Doesn’t get any better gas mileage than the Hemi. Don’t get me wrong if you stand on it after a couple seconds it’ll put you back in your seat but……
Two things , 1. Dodge/Stellantis bring back a engine oil dipstick ,and a reminder for your TT Hurricane 6CYI engines, and fix the problems with those engines !! 2 bring back a new Hemi V8 engine, for your customers that still want them engines as a option as well !! And fix all your Quality issue with your Products !!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪
If you’re towing heavy in these turbo trucks, it would be worth going up to a 40/50 wt oil. I wouldn’t hesitate to run a 15w-40 or even a 15/20W-50 (if it’s 100* and you’re pulling max tow).
I just bought my last 2024 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi! With the V8’s disappearing, I have little to no interest in anything else! I DON’T CARE IF A TWIN TURBO HAS MORE TORQUE DOWN LOW, DOESN’T MATTER- V8 rules
Great interview and thanks to Chrysler for doing this. I really do not like vehicles that don't have a dipstick. With a dipstick you are not just looking at oil level but you can see oil condition first hand. The general opinion is vehicles are not as long lived, durable and certainly not as easy to maintain over the long term.
i think its unlikely that the big diesels are going to get smaller in displacement. what i think is much more likley is that alternative/complimentary power sources start to get explored, e.g. "range extenders", hybrids, etc. Personally, id love to see what a big range extender truck looks like -- in essence thats what a modern locomotive is :)
Depends on the oil. Synthetic in a naturally aspirated engine is fine until the change light comes on. For a turbo, depends on how you're using it. Highway miles and city or towing miles are not the same.
@@1FiftyOverland I have the OLM in my Altima set for 7,500 miles. No engine issues at 173,000 miles. Did the same with my Hondas before and they all made it over 200K.
@@1FiftyOverland I replaced a leaking valve cover gasket on the Altima a year ago. Valvetrain was clean as a whistle. When that car goes, it won't be the engine that caused it. Now the transmission...I keep the fluid changes up but we'll see what happens.
Would be nice to bring back a dipstick and be able to run just a tad heavier weight oil especially for severe use like towing in hot weather. Even a 0W30 oil would have better film strength and not get too thin in hot temps but still be thin enough to get everywhere it needs to be in the engine/turbos.
I think its stupid to remove the dipstick. Just a way to cut a cost like everything . Just like tons of breakable plastic on most new vehicles. Nothing is really built to last anymore. shame but kudos for Ram to come forward.
Great video, but something was touched on that I would have liked to see discussed more. I've seen too many serious accidents as a result...(I'm hoping Roman, Andre or ? will ask the engineers in the future) I did especially enjoy the interview with Alan Falkowski, Stellantis's chief engineer on the development of many of their new engines. What I have an issue with is how the entire industry has not standardized in handling descending mountain grades when in tow/haul mode. The only consistently safe way to descend a mountain is to save the service brakes for slowing down. The problem is most drivers are not aware how the service brakes quickly become extremely hot if used to maintain descent speed. As a result the vehicle's ability to stop in an emergency is severely reduced. When in tow/haul mode, the vehicle should automatically do what it can to maintain descent speed without the use of the service brakes. Some vehicles do this, but not many. Most either only help a little or do nothing. What we should be asking for is, while in tow mode and the gas pedal or brake is released, the vehicle's computer should automatically take note of the speed and if it increases, it should automatically select a lower gear. If the speed continues to increase, it should again select a lower gear. If the computer finds that there is not enough engine braking and the next gear reduction would cause the engine to rev past its redline, it should display a message stating something like "Unable to maintain decent speed. Slow down!". At this point the driver would use the service brakes to slow the vehicle. While slowing, when it can, the computer would select the next lower gear and turn off the warning message. When the brake pedal is then released, the computer would again try to maintain the new descent speed and again prompt the warning message if the speed increases and unable to select a lower gear. Having the vehicle automatically maintain descent speed is most important when towing/hauling, but a slightly less aggressive effort could be also used when not in tow/haul mode. I've spoken to many people I've seen riding their smoking brakes down mountains and many of them think they are doing a great job balancing their very hot brakes and being able to maintain descent speed. They don't even think about the fact that they wouldn't be able to stop in an emergency. Why modern vehicles don't automatically manage mountain pass descend speed while towing makes no sense to me. I don't live in a mountainous region, but while on trips to the mountains I have personality witnessed 3 serious accidents (one was a family with three children and their brakes were too hot to slow for a corner; it was bad...). I've also personally seen many hundreds of smoking brakes as a result of service brakes being used to maintain descent speed. The reality is 1000s and 1000s of tow vehicles being unable to quickly stop and many serious accidents have and will occur as a result of brakes being too hot maintaining decent speed. This shouldn't be happening with modern vehicles that already have ALL of the hardware needed and they just need a bit of software. We should be talking (and complaining) to automotive engineers... You guys at TFL are actually in a perfect position to discuss this with the engineers designing these systems and potentially save many families on vacation from serious accidents.
I was surprised when the engineer said the cummins exhaust brake was designed into the engine and would be too expensive to develop in the gas engine. It's always been my understanding that the exhaust brake was accomplished using the variable geometry turbo. Seems like the hurricane being a turbo engine it could just be programmed into the truck.
@@donleamon8653 why you worried about what I do with my life when you got these shady ass engineers taken out dipsticks because they don't want to engineer around it... I don't have to be an engineer to figure out that's a bullshit move! Tell your wife to quit pissing in your Cheerios for breakfast so you're not so hostile 😂
@@FranciscoMartinez-l4v obviously you don't know what a dipstick is or does... Dodge will pass the test the first 5 years after that they fall apart interior exterior know the quality has gone to shit because stellantis cost cutting get real bro
@@honda116969 haters gonna hate. Two of my kids bought Hondas. After a few thousand miles nothing but trouble. They had to barrow my 2007 fam when the crap was in the shop. No manufacturer is worth there salt right now. So stop all of the insults and have a the day you deserve.
The one thing these manufacturers could do to help the down hill is to program the truck so that when it down shifts under braking down hill to not up shift until you put your foot back on the accelerator pedal I have noticed that all of the new trucks you guys have testing the last four years or so all upshift as soon as let off the brakes which defeats the purpose of grade shifting
When I got my 2020 Silverado back in August of 2020 I was disappointed at first when I found out it had the 2.7l Turbo-4 in it because my previous 2004 Silverado had the 5.3l v8. So I was hoping to get another truck with the same engine. Sadly being that it was the year 2020 there were slim pickings as far as truck choices went on the dealers lot and anything that had good specs were well out of my price range. After having it for four years I've come to like the 2.7l Turbo-4 quite a lot. It does what I need it to do perfectly fine which is driving around when I need to go somewhere and haul stuff when we need to bring something large home. We only have a light duty 2,000lb trailer and it pulls that just fine. So I technically don't need anything bigger. Aside from some sensors that failed and needed replacing that's about the extent of my problems. Luckily they were under warranty and were replaced for free. I don't travel a lot or do a lot of driving so I have less than 22,000 miles on it. So I can't speak for long term reliability. Either way when oil changes are needed it's going to keep getting the best oil I can get my hands on. So that should help out along with any other needed maintenance.
I have the HO version and don't notice the turbo lag much at all. The city fuel economy is less than my 2023 Hemi but it appears to be better pulling my camper. I haven't run the numbers to verify that though. It is quieter and smoother than the Hemi but I do miss that exhaust rumble. So far I'd prefer the Hemi but don't regret getting the turbo six so far. The truck is fast for sure.
I wish they'd have talked more about longevity and durability testing. Aside from hating the sound, these turbo engines are under so much more cylinder pressure stress I've been concerned about durability. I really don't think I'll ever buy a truck with a 6 cylinder gasoline engine. Despite the way these perform, I doubt they'll ever live as long as a v8. And of course v8 sound is a huge bonus.
Well, I'm not that far into the video yet, but I've repaired Many failed hemi lifter sets in my day, and I've yet to see the deactivation side of the lifter collapsed. On the hemi, it's always the roller to cam side of the lifter. Now gm ls/lt engines like to collapse on the top side.
I understand this is a “torture test” but not many are using a half ton truck to tow heavy duty construction equipment. 95% of the time it’s a HD diesel.
From what I gathered the Dodge had the heaviest load on that test and no matter what you say it passed. The other brands had less load or at least the Chevy did and they both failed. That says alot.
Great video!! Very well explained by TFL and the Ram engineer!!
Glad you liked it!
Impressive that Ram responded to your TH-cam channel so quickly, made a firmware fix, and sent their head engineer to explain the issue. That’s a big deal. Congrats!
Not bad for a company almost dead. Don't get me wrong, I'd like a Ram with the 3.6 v6, not the Hurricane, but they are hurting so bad as a whole.
@@joeb2588almost dead? Strange because I’ve been across the country with my Ram and dealers are alive and doing well. People in service and sales buying vehicles.
@ernestoarango7127 look. I like the Ram truck. Stellantis has really hurt then. I'm not bashing but they Fiat Chrysler is not in good shape
@@joeb2588A none turbo inline six with dual injection would be great and with a oil dipstick.
@simonbrunet5605 you are asking for a modern 4.0 jeep engine.
Ram passed the test and just had hot oil at idle when you stopped.
Personally, I didn’t think the RAM failed. Hot idle oil pressure was low by a pound or two, but not detrimental as the engineer stated. It towed the load up the hill without de-rate.
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Agreed, anyone who has a basic knowledge of how a engine works knows that this test was far from a fail, if there was a true lack of oil pressure one would pretty much instantaneously there was a problem!!!
The hurricane might be a gem but that doesn't mean buyers should flood the market. Always give a new power train time to prove itself before buying. You can see this with ecoboob 3.5, tubdra 5.7, Tundra 3.5, etc.
Yes, but oil for modern vehocles is so thin that low oil pressure is more likely to occur at higher temperatures. So the modern engine design is actually more likely to cause this issue.
That’s what I’m talking about, engineers watching independent testing videos and going back and double checking their work and fixing it, shout out to Ram for taking the time to explain and fix the bugs to create a better product and shout out to TFL for doing awesome and brutal tests that put a real stress to these vehicles so the consumer can know what to choose, thanks guys, by the way I’m still in if you guys plan to open TFL Mexico 😂.
Love this story, that Ram was able to figure out what happened and fix it this quickly is impressive. Would love to see a repeat torture test to close the loop.
There is no loop. The truck passed
Nice to see that Ram reached out. They need to bring the dipstick back tho!
true.....them nixing that was a dipstick move...
Yup. That is a literal show stopper. I'd never buy an engine without a dipstick.
The electronic device tells you when you need to add oil. Trust the new technology
Do you check your fuel level with a lipstick? Dipsticks are a relic; time to move on.
@ Well I guess if the fuel gauge for some reason doesn’t work and you run out of fuel, it doesn’t wreck your engine but if the oil level sensor doesn’t work for some reason and the engine runs dry on oil,,,,,, how well do you think it’d survive?
I'm really impressed that A) Alan and his team watched your video, and B) they went back and recreated it and fixed it C) that Alan was super interested in what Andre had to say. Very very impressive!!
FANTASTIC INTERVIEW!! Thank you so much for providing these detailed insights into engine construction, oil etc. etc.!
Alan is such a sympathetic and knowledgeable guy! Andre and him make up the perfect interview partners for truck enthusiasts!
Thanks again and many greetings from Germany 🇩🇪 (RAM Classic 5,7 Liter HEMI)
Kudos to Ram for watching this and stepping up. Really Ram, much respect from a long time mechanic, gearhead, and military test technician!
I hope more Engineers from different manufacturers speak up about problems and just be more involved with the public. Regardless of make, this just makes me happy!
A great reply from the manufacturer to the issue found. Gotta admit, it did make it all the way to the top and was done with the climb when it happened. Not bad at all.
Yes it made it to the top.
Great to see Ram engaging with real truck users. Yet everyone on YT with their cheesy “Ram has collapsed” “Ram is out of business” this is the world we live in. 🤦🏻♂️
I don’t think that saying it failed the test is really accurate. It made it up without derating, though it did give a low oil pressure warning afterwards that went away. But that doesn’t change the fact that it made it up without derating during towing and the Chevy and ford didn’t.
It’s easy for people to forget.. but in 03 when the hemi dropped with 345hp all the other trucks at the time were 225-250hp trucks lol.. it was a massive leap in power back then..
The 5.3l in my previous 2004 Silverado was rated at 289hp so the Hemi was a big step up in power. Never owned one though, I always disliked how fat and chunky the hood was compared to the older model from previous years. The newer hood and grille design still looks much nicer than those fat chunky models.
@@leecrumble3921 Indeed, the Turbo-4 in my 2020 Silverado is rated for 310hp which is good for a small four cylinder. Imagine stuffing one into an older S10 pickup.
But people are just nuts for high HP in these small engines and then complain when they fail pre-maturely. The 2.7l Eco Boost in the Ranger is a biggest offender of this IMO. The Hurricane HO is pretty nuts too, putting out 500hp in a 3.0l inline-6.
@@leecrumble3921that’s why when people knock the power of the 3.6 they forget that was more than some V8s in late 90s early 2000s. For 90% of truck owners the 3.6 performs just fine
@@Slane583the 2.7 eco boost is pretty stout and reliable. That scoots in a ranger, i would have gotten in a lot of trouble back in the day if they made a 2wd regular cab with that motor
@@CS-zz2bf As much as I like my Silverado's 2.7 Turbo-4 I don't really trust its' long term reliability either along with the 2.7 EcoBoost. GM doesn't have a positive track record for reliable 4 cylinders. But it's what I have, it runs great and it'll get regular maintenance as needed to help make it last.
I don't know if it had any of the v6's in it. But when my Silverado was at the dealer for recall work I got a Ranger as a rental. It was VERY peppy. Problem is it was during winter and being it was a rental the tires were garbage on it. So it also felt very unsafe to drive with how sensitive it was. Since I'm used to a Silverado I also wasn't fond of how cramped it felt inside. It's not a bad truck it's just not for me.
I've watched a few bad 2.7l EcoBoost's get torn down and it's amazing how beefy they are internally. So it always surprises me how Ford hasn't sorted everything out. Some have gotten to 100K+ miles with no issues and others had engine failure at 40K miles. I guess it's just like anything.
Andre and TFL, this is very impressive. You guys in your extreme tests have helped to make this truck better. This software change wouldn’t have happened without “The Toaster”. We need to see HD trucks on the toaster, specifically the Ford, maybe that EOG F350 6.7HO you guys borrowed for Moab. 😎
Dear Roman, I do remember that commercial. I bought one. 2003 blk 4x4 1500 quad cab with a Hemi V8 on 35's The most powerful V8 in the 1/2 ton line up. Drove the heck out of it towing 4 wheeling etc.. 114,000 trouble free miles. Friend still drives it. Bought me a new truck. My dream truck since i test drove one with my dad in 1977. The first 4x4 truck. The combat proven power wagon. My truck is almost a decade old with a 392 Hemi V8. 36,000 miles so i'll be living the good old days for quite sometime. Can always rebuild the engine, buy a crate engine if i don't want a small turblow in a new one.
It makes complete sense. A couple hundred rpms make all the difference in oil pressure. I trust that guy's commitment to making a good product. He seems very dedicated.
Considering now bad people are with maintenance, the new turbo engines will cost people a fortune in neglect required repairs.
Great to see RAM respond so quickly!!!!!
Good interview. It verifies that TFL is on the right track in their truck tests.
As somebody who works in quality assurance, I enjoyed this conversation with him.
That's right. When Ram beats the competition, they will still come and fix any problems. I'm sure the emotions of haters won't be affected 😂
Ram won't fix shit I'm done with them
@@Grey-x2ckeep crying.
Props to Ram for publicly addressing opportunities the community finds. Bad news is Tesla (and even Rivian) have displayed a long track record of doing this type of calibration in my driveway while I sleep. Cybertruck will keep getting better the longer you own it and it's already damn good. I love seeing Roman just try to spew out all of his reasons for loving cybertruck. It is too hard to rattle off the list of features, capabilities or cleaver engineering that just put it in a different league.
The cybertruck is great until the rear towing hitch falls off towing a heavy load as Whilstling Diesel exposed ! 😂
But it's so Ugly!
Thank you for arranging this interview. I thoroughly enjoyed hearing what the engineer had to say. You can tell him that a purchased a Ram Warlock last month and his responses regarding oil pressure and turbocharger durability addressed several of my concerns about the engine and reassured me about the quality of engineering that went into my truck. Please let him know I appreciate the insight.
Put the dipstick back!! Having the sensor is all nice and great, but most people that own trucks are hands-on and want to look at their own oil. Not just to check the level, but look at the color, smell it etc.. If you’re a guy/feller, you may even want to taste it 😉
COLOR of oil does not tell you the condition of the oil! ALL Oil Companies put some color of DYE in the oil, so some oils will look darker than others. There use to be an oil called "ROYAL PURPLE", where the oil was a PURPLE color when new! I don't know if it is still available.
@@wayneowen5864 Royal Purple is as common place as Mobil-1, so yes it is still around. If anything it has become more popular in recent years rather than being that mythical "purple oil" only seen on the hot-rod building shows on tv.
@@wayneowen5864 that’s BS buddy. For those of us who change our own oil and know what color it was going in, it absolutely matters what color it becomes and is important to watch that as you check over the next few thousand miles.
@@fabrian78 Sorry to dispute you, but Color oil does not tell you the condition Go change the oil in a DIESEL truck, and drive it 100 miles and look at the color! It will be black! BTW, I do change the oil in ALL my vehicle's myself.
@@wayneowen5864 We’re not talking about a diesel here.. oil changes color because of blow-by and inert gas (as well as condensation if excessive) mixing with oil over time. Oil that’s used in a manual transmission, for example, will never change color. The more oil DARKENS and SMELLS of GAS , the less protective it is. Argue all you want, this is a fact.
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WOW, Ram did what they should. What about Ford? Great job TFL!
My 2003 BMW M3 has an oil level sensor AND an oil dipstick you can have both Ram!
My 2020 BMW only has the sensor and no dipstick, so must be a European thing to think people don't want or need one. I would prefer a dipstick, because in order to check my oil I have to drive for at least 20 minutes before it will let me, wonder if the Ram is the same.
Very impressed with Ram reaching out. TFL has become a benchmark for pick up truck testing. Hopefully all automakers take TFL’s tests into consideration for present and future vehicles.
Andre is correct. The Toyota 5.7L had camshaft snapping issues leading to engine replacement. The million mile tundra required cylinder heads replaced and like 3 sets of the timing system so basically just the bottom end went 1M miles AND it wasn't the 5.7L.
I know head gaskets on the 5.7 wasn’t there a 4.7 that went a million miles. These turbo engines are a trend that need to end. The cam issue on the 5.7 tundra was early production. Talking turbos I heard Toyota bays are filled with turbo tundra n taco junk.
5.7 has tons of issues with warping block that can not always be fixed and you sometimes have to get an entirely new engine.
Well ill say im happy they responded and made a change. Dont like software fixing low oil pressure but we are in a new world. The good news is sensors last forever and "truck" engines dont use oil...
Thanks for bringing on the Engineer from RAM and getting a fix so quick! From the end of the video, my one main note on the cybertruck, great payload loaded my friends with 8 railway ties no problem. Main issue, no visibility in roundabouts! Same friend let me take it for a drive here in Carmel IN, we have over 150 roundabouts just in Carmel let alone the county, and the weird triangle A pillar blocks the approach view on the roundabouts.
You keep saying it didn't make it, but it did, and Ford and Chevy didn't. You actually drove it home afterward. You should rename this video to "Ram 1500, which made the torture test, but the oil pressure light came on afterwards. What happened?"
The Ford and Chevy also made it to the top.
@@1FiftyOverland why do they keep saying all the trucks failed?
@MrHemikid426 because none of them made it without a warning message.
And all fairness, the warning they got was probably one of the most serious warnings you can get for an internal combustion engine.
@@1FiftyOverlandYou haven't watched all the challenges, you don't know .Because you would know what happened Ram arrived without problems and the engine did not overheat it should not have turned off the engine this shows a lack of knowledge especially the turbo which needs time to cool down that is why you do not turn off the engine immediately this way the life of the turbine is shortened...
Maybe he could explain why the Hemi camshaft is failing and why he didn't see that during the simulation.
I respected this engineer up until the point he defended not having a physical dipstick. That’s completely asinine.
I agree, the dipstick elimination was not for the customer that does not look at the dipstick it was a cost cutting move. Sensors fail, how many dipsticks have you seen fail. I call BS that the dipstick was removed for the customers benefit!
Exactly. If you don’t have a dipstick how do you even do an oil change yourself ?
As a retired Chrysler powertrain engineer I don't see a need for dipsticks. Most people don't check their oil anyway. A low oil level message is most likely more effective but most people would even ignore that.
@@davidzelkowski9948 This type of engineering thought process might be why in general CDRJ has a host of problems in the automotive industry. The attitude that we the engineers and marketing know what the customer needs instead of what the customer wants! The customer pays the wages of the employees not the engineers or marketing! We will see how these engineering/marketing decision work out for CDRJ! I predict, not very well.
That's cause your one of the rare breed like myself and those who watch this channel. That check and want that. Unfortunately we're a large minority. Most people I've talked to that we're close family or friends don't. I met many who I've checked the oil for. Many who literally aere stuck on going tens of Thousands of miles over the oilf change interval based off some I'll conceived notion. Many who never appreciated just how important the oil is.
So from a manufacturers standpoint. Why waste money constructing something that few people use. If you give them a warning it's low or to change it especially.
And I am not defending it. I want a oil dipstick. But I am open minded enough to know why they aren't.
And I got put some of the otus on the people.
Great Job TFL for having a great reputation and the fact the Stellantis Engineers are watching AND Responding. I have a 2021 Ram Hemi. Watching to see which new truck I buy next.
I wish you guys could address engine durability from an added angle. Nice that the trucks survive the testing today. But, what can the consumer expect in 10 years? I am a mass consumer of trucks. I buy a new one about every two years. Durability shouldn't really matter that much, but my decision to buy is based on my perceived durability over time of what I am buying. I have been around a long time and some old adages are at play. Simplicity makes for better durability. That is why I have been a fan of the big V8's. Turbo's, complex emissions systems, etc. etc. have come a long way. In the past, they were the fail points of the engine. What can we expect out of them today? I really really wish you would ask the engineers what a consumer that uses a truck as a truck could expect for longevity out of these new motors. I understand that question has a lot of variables, but this is one of the answers we will never get straight from the dealer. It would be great to know what the engineers are expecting out of their products when they are in the field.
Ford has the 6.8 and 7.3, GM has the 6.6, and Ram has the 6.4 for people like you. And that's before you get to the diesels.
He said the new spray cast/plasma cast liner in the cylinders showed practically no wear on engines that were run full throttle for hundreds of hours on their fancy stress dyno (average customer spends 30 minutes at full throtte in a lifetime). You might have to replace bearings or rings at some point but it wont be serious machine work like boring or honing the cylinder block. I wouldn't be surprised if you seen 2 million mile hurricane engines.
The hurricane sounds like a good name bc hurricanes are powerful. Thinking deeper into that they also cause major damage and a lot of repair cost to lots of people 🧐. We will see what name they live up to.
Lol I hope your wrong. But it sure would be.
@@jamespenner1412 I hope I’m wrong to, I know most manufacturers have had their issues with the smaller displacement turbos and with them just switching over maybe they can get it right early on. I’m just bummed everyone is moving away from the V8. I just purchased a 2024 f150 V8 bc I’m afraid they will be gone soon. Just came from 2 3.5 ecoboost f150s and I’m loving the V8 even though they have less hp and torque
This was great. Good to know that Ram fixed it. Good work TFL!
Wow, great video! Great questions TFL. I love how you even got Ram to look into the poor downhill performance down the IKE. Got to give Ram credit for addressing issues and concerns with the new powertrain.
good video nice to be able to talk to Engineers with direct questions and get some answers, most truck owners at sometime will overload and overwork their trucks nice to know they will hold up.
On my second Ram truck. I ❤my Ram trucks. I believe they are the best you can buy.
Roman: So why dont you explain how we do that.
Andre: brake application between 50-60mph, Roman interrupts and explains himself 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Roman needs to stay off camera. He is so annoying.
Exactly, talks over Andre to give his input that is typically wrong. lol so aggravating
At the end of the day I just want external oil coolers on these turbocharged trucks. Once the coolant is heated up the heat exchanger trying to cool the oil can’t keep up.
Interested in the new RHO. I have more confidence in RAM than Toyota these days.
Hi TFL can you please make a video showing us how to change the oil on the Hurricane engine with no dipstick? I think it would be huge for anyone interested in this vehicle and like me , has never done an oil change without a way to check the level. Thank you
R and D in the real world.
Well done TFL and RAM (Allan) for taking note and sharing their thoughts fixes
Check out The Getty Adventures truck test. GM's v8's was the best mpg's for towing over all the TT's. I was very surprised.
Traditionally, turboed ICEs has to run richer fuel air ratio to manage detonation from the higher pressure and heat. Not sure how these modern ones operate with regards to this.
Forced induction has a higher BSFC than NA
And the GM V8s are WAY worse and slower towing. I’ve towed with them all. The 5.3 is an absolutely terrible towing engine and the 6.2 isn’t much better. This 3.0 and the ecoboosts eat their lunch.
I watch all the videos but I normally don't comment but I'm very impressed with RAM. In the future, if possible, I would love more info directly from the brands to see how they defend themselves when you introduce issues.
No engine has ever gained oil pressure as it wears . They will really need to increase idle speeds.
Correct, but we can put in thicker oil as it gets older, but you are Correct. It will only get worse with age.
Pressure is the resistance to flow. More flow = less wear between components.
Roman always looks baked now in these videos.
There are long-term effects to marijuana, and there are short-term effects. I'm not sure which one we're looking at, but it's there, you're right.
While you had him, you should have asked the engineer when they're going to give us a 1/2 ton Power Wagon or at least a Rebel with a front locker. Oh, and maybe a long bed version of those since there are a few guys like me out there who don't give a hoot about approach, departure or breakover angles.
Its going to be many years before I'd trust any of these new engines
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but the cummins application does the exhaust braking with the turbo, not the valves. It uses a VGT turbo which has vanes that open and close to create back pressure. They don't use a "Jake Brake" on the smaller B-series engines. So they could use some form of that turbo tech to possibly help with that. How well it would work in gas application I myself don't really know.
I really appreciate how Ram stepped up to not only address the problem but then come one and speak to what the cause was and how the addressed it.
Speaking personally I’m very happy to own a turbo engine vice a V-8 when it’s properly engineered. Look at all the problems Ford has had with the 3.5 ecoboost as an example of when it’s not. Of course in fairness. The Hemi with cam/lifter issues and the GM 6.2 haven’t been problem free either.
If there was an option to order a boosted engine in a HD truck with equal or greater power and torque compared to the standard gas offering I’d check that box in a heartbeat. I do find it interesting that Ford for example developed the Godzilla at great expense Vice offering a version of the 3.5 Ecoboost as they don’t feel that engine would be reliable enough for the working end of the HD truck market. Which I do wonder what percentage of gas HD truck sales or for working vice personal trucks. Maybe they are catering to the wrong market?
Yes the Cybertruck is an innovative product. But in my opinion a lot of it is innovation for the sake of innovation they haven’t actually made the truck better. And sometimes with highly evolved and mature products like trucks it’s very hard to make a significant leap forward. It becomes a process of evolution rather than revolution.
Really enjoyed the video and feedback from Ram engineer. I will say as far as transmission shift strategy, that overly aggressive downshifting in tow/haul could be a handful when towing on slick roads, perhaps this hurricane wouldn't have the deceleration ability to cause issues there, but I know in some other diesel trucks it can cause some traction issues and really surprise you when you tap the brake and it downshifts to near red line. Solution , don't leave it in tow/haul on snowy roads I guess, which is what I do, but it was a learning experience. Also I think heavy towing on slow twisty mountain roads is a great test! Many people do this especially with campers. A friend of mine pulled a relatively light camper for the trucks capability and had multiple trans over temp issues. I suspect it was to slow for the torque converter to lock up, but dissapoining non the less. Thanks
14:14 my 1994 Mercedes C280 has a straight six and is soooo smooooth. Still humming at 115,000 miles.
This was a great video that proves TFL is doing good work that the consumer will benefit from. Good job Ram for being responsive but I believe your research is flawed RE: dipsticks. Truck owners are different so for goodness sakes bring them back on your trucks.
Booyah 👊🏽 😁 👍🏽 🇺🇸
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Just got my first HEMI
Ram offered an adjustable ride height air suspension long before Tesa. It was offered at the debut of the 1st generation Rebel.
All these manufacturers need to bring back a engine oil dipstick and a transmission dipstick , and just keep it basic and simple !!!🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪
I look at the oil, and the dipstick.
Thanks Guys - Great followup, Great review
I want to know if Ram is going to make a two door version of the new Ram? or am I going to have to buy a GM or Ford regular cab long bed truck.
I’d say the Ram didn’t fail. The warning came on after they were stopped and parked and it was a warning light that the stupid thin (epa/cafe forced) oil got even thinner at a higher temperature.
The best update to the truck they can do is put the dip sticks back on the engine and transmission. It's just total stupidity and corporate greed to not have them.
Long time Ram Hemi owner here. Bought a 25' Ram with a Hurricane and I absolutely hate it! Last one that I'll ever own unless they bring back a real engine. I can't wait to get rid of this! And I've only had it 3-4 months
What about the Hurricane makes you hate it?
@@davidzelkowski9948 I bought one because of all the hype over it. I regret it everyday. Turbo lag under normal driving. Hard to maintain a steady speed. Much worse if you’re trying to pull a trailer. Doesn’t get any better gas mileage than the Hemi. Don’t get me wrong if you stand on it after a couple seconds it’ll put you back in your seat but……
IMO, The fix should be to use 0w40 minimum if towing, not update the firmware to lower the low oil pressure threshold for a given rpm.
Nice, straightforward explanation. Well done.
Two things , 1. Dodge/Stellantis bring back a engine oil dipstick ,and a reminder for your TT Hurricane 6CYI engines, and fix the problems with those engines !! 2 bring back a new Hemi V8 engine, for your customers that still want them engines as a option as well !! And fix all your Quality issue with your Products !!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪
If you’re towing heavy in these turbo trucks, it would be worth going up to a 40/50 wt oil. I wouldn’t hesitate to run a 15w-40 or even a 15/20W-50 (if it’s 100* and you’re pulling max tow).
I just bought my last 2024 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi! With the V8’s disappearing, I have little to no interest in anything else! I DON’T CARE IF A TWIN TURBO HAS MORE TORQUE DOWN LOW, DOESN’T MATTER- V8 rules
Great interview and thanks to Chrysler for doing this. I really do not like vehicles that don't have a dipstick. With a dipstick you are not just looking at oil level but you can see oil condition first hand. The general opinion is vehicles are not as long lived, durable and certainly not as easy to maintain over the long term.
for the HD segment, I’d like to see hybridization. I think that is the next logical step.
I don't think they'll downsize the heavy duty diesel engines, but I do wonder what they'll do for the gasoline engine option on the heavy duty trucks
That Hurricane powered Charger needs to be on sale last year
i think its unlikely that the big diesels are going to get smaller in displacement. what i think is much more likley is that alternative/complimentary power sources start to get explored, e.g. "range extenders", hybrids, etc. Personally, id love to see what a big range extender truck looks like -- in essence thats what a modern locomotive is :)
Tfl really changing how they make these things!
2001 Dodge Ram 1500 with 80k miles here, ready for another 100k. Runs propane or gas too.
Truck yeah!
Never ever never wait til the oil change light comes on!!! Change it 3-5k miles no matter what!!!
Depends on the oil. Synthetic in a naturally aspirated engine is fine until the change light comes on. For a turbo, depends on how you're using it. Highway miles and city or towing miles are not the same.
@jghall00 With my knowledge and experience Never never no matter the car wait til the oil change light
@@1FiftyOverland I have the OLM in my Altima set for 7,500 miles. No engine issues at 173,000 miles. Did the same with my Hondas before and they all made it over 200K.
@jghall00 I bet in the inside doesn't look too good tho. Probably all varnished up.
@@1FiftyOverland I replaced a leaking valve cover gasket on the Altima a year ago. Valvetrain was clean as a whistle. When that car goes, it won't be the engine that caused it. Now the transmission...I keep the fluid changes up but we'll see what happens.
Does this anti dipstick sensor tell you if there is antifreeze in your oil , water , dirt etc ?
Would be nice to bring back a dipstick and be able to run just a tad heavier weight oil especially for severe use like towing in hot weather. Even a 0W30 oil would have better film strength and not get too thin in hot temps but still be thin enough to get everywhere it needs to be in the engine/turbos.
I think its stupid to remove the dipstick. Just a way to cut a cost like everything . Just like tons of breakable plastic on most new vehicles. Nothing is really built to last anymore. shame but kudos for Ram to come forward.
Great video, but something was touched on that I would have liked to see discussed more. I've seen too many serious accidents as a result...(I'm hoping Roman, Andre or ? will ask the engineers in the future)
I did especially enjoy the interview with Alan Falkowski, Stellantis's chief engineer on the development of many of their new engines.
What I have an issue with is how the entire industry has not standardized in handling descending mountain grades when in tow/haul mode.
The only consistently safe way to descend a mountain is to save the service brakes for slowing down. The problem is most drivers are not aware how the service brakes quickly become extremely hot if used to maintain descent speed. As a result the vehicle's ability to stop in an emergency is severely reduced.
When in tow/haul mode, the vehicle should automatically do what it can to maintain descent speed without the use of the service brakes. Some vehicles do this, but not many. Most either only help a little or do nothing.
What we should be asking for is, while in tow mode and the gas pedal or brake is released, the vehicle's computer should automatically take note of the speed and if it increases, it should automatically select a lower gear. If the speed continues to increase, it should again select a lower gear.
If the computer finds that there is not enough engine braking and the next gear reduction would cause the engine to rev past its redline, it should display a message stating something like "Unable to maintain decent speed. Slow down!". At this point the driver would use the service brakes to slow the vehicle. While slowing, when it can, the computer would select the next lower gear and turn off the warning message. When the brake pedal is then released, the computer would again try to maintain the new descent speed and again prompt the warning message if the speed increases and unable to select a lower gear.
Having the vehicle automatically maintain descent speed is most important when towing/hauling, but a slightly less aggressive effort could be also used when not in tow/haul mode.
I've spoken to many people I've seen riding their smoking brakes down mountains and many of them think they are doing a great job balancing their very hot brakes and being able to maintain descent speed. They don't even think about the fact that they wouldn't be able to stop in an emergency.
Why modern vehicles don't automatically manage mountain pass descend speed while towing makes no sense to me.
I don't live in a mountainous region, but while on trips to the mountains I have personality witnessed 3 serious accidents (one was a family with three children and their brakes were too hot to slow for a corner; it was bad...). I've also personally seen many hundreds of smoking brakes as a result of service brakes being used to maintain descent speed. The reality is 1000s and 1000s of tow vehicles being unable to quickly stop and many serious accidents have and will occur as a result of brakes being too hot maintaining decent speed.
This shouldn't be happening with modern vehicles that already have ALL of the hardware needed and they just need a bit of software. We should be talking (and complaining) to automotive engineers...
You guys at TFL are actually in a perfect position to discuss this with the engineers designing these systems and potentially save many families on vacation from serious accidents.
People (customers)were telling us, "We never use a dipstick". WHAT! Plus no pre-catlyst for the intake charge🤔
I was surprised when the engineer said the cummins exhaust brake was designed into the engine and would be too expensive to develop in the gas engine. It's always been my understanding that the exhaust brake was accomplished using the variable geometry turbo. Seems like the hurricane being a turbo engine it could just be programmed into the truck.
Ram engineers are on it
You should ask that engineer how did he manage to keep his job? 😯
Seriously? What have you done with your life? Anything on the scale he’s done? Bet not.
@@donleamon8653 why you worried about what I do with my life when you got these shady ass engineers taken out dipsticks because they don't want to engineer around it... I don't have to be an engineer to figure out that's a bullshit move! Tell your wife to quit pissing in your Cheerios for breakfast so you're not so hostile 😂
😂 your mad cause Ram passed the test😂. Bro get a life. Most people don’t even know what a dip stick is.
@@FranciscoMartinez-l4v obviously you don't know what a dipstick is or does... Dodge will pass the test the first 5 years after that they fall apart interior exterior know the quality has gone to shit because stellantis cost cutting get real bro
@@honda116969 haters gonna hate. Two of my kids bought Hondas. After a few thousand miles nothing but trouble. They had to barrow my 2007 fam when the crap was in the shop. No manufacturer is worth there salt right now. So stop all of the insults and have a the day you deserve.
The one thing these manufacturers could do to help the down hill is to program the truck so that when it down shifts under braking down hill to not up shift until you put your foot back on the accelerator pedal I have noticed that all of the new trucks you guys have testing the last four years or so all upshift as soon as let off the brakes which defeats the purpose of grade shifting
When I got my 2020 Silverado back in August of 2020 I was disappointed at first when I found out it had the 2.7l Turbo-4 in it because my previous 2004 Silverado had the 5.3l v8. So I was hoping to get another truck with the same engine. Sadly being that it was the year 2020 there were slim pickings as far as truck choices went on the dealers lot and anything that had good specs were well out of my price range. After having it for four years I've come to like the 2.7l Turbo-4 quite a lot. It does what I need it to do perfectly fine which is driving around when I need to go somewhere and haul stuff when we need to bring something large home. We only have a light duty 2,000lb trailer and it pulls that just fine. So I technically don't need anything bigger. Aside from some sensors that failed and needed replacing that's about the extent of my problems. Luckily they were under warranty and were replaced for free. I don't travel a lot or do a lot of driving so I have less than 22,000 miles on it. So I can't speak for long term reliability. Either way when oil changes are needed it's going to keep getting the best oil I can get my hands on. So that should help out along with any other needed maintenance.
Artificially creating scenarios = consumers are the actual beta tester. 38:02
U know what else those turbo six cylinder from Europe did. They required replacement after 90k miles or heavy engine repairs
I have the HO version and don't notice the turbo lag much at all. The city fuel economy is less than my 2023 Hemi but it appears to be better pulling my camper. I haven't run the numbers to verify that though. It is quieter and smoother than the Hemi but I do miss that exhaust rumble. So far I'd prefer the Hemi but don't regret getting the turbo six so far. The truck is fast for sure.
Dear Roman. Please let people finish their thoughts. Thank you.
I wish they'd have talked more about longevity and durability testing. Aside from hating the sound, these turbo engines are under so much more cylinder pressure stress I've been concerned about durability. I really don't think I'll ever buy a truck with a 6 cylinder gasoline engine. Despite the way these perform, I doubt they'll ever live as long as a v8. And of course v8 sound is a huge bonus.
A hybrid Hurricane would solve the downhill braking through regeneration. Using the generator drag to slow the truck down.
As a consumer. I chose the 3.5 EcoBoost because for the following:
-More power
-I really like the turbo sounds
-Smoothness
-Low end power
Not sure if he should've stated he was in charge of the cylinder deactivation on the hemi... lol. Faith in anything he said kinda took a dive.. xD
Well, I'm not that far into the video yet, but I've repaired Many failed hemi lifter sets in my day, and I've yet to see the deactivation side of the lifter collapsed. On the hemi, it's always the roller to cam side of the lifter. Now gm ls/lt engines like to collapse on the top side.
Guy is an engineer and works on what he's assigned. Blame the source of these emission requirements, big government
Me personally I believe the dipstick is a-must It needs to be incorporated into the engine.
I understand this is a “torture test” but not many are using a half ton truck to tow heavy duty construction equipment. 95% of the time it’s a HD diesel.
From what I gathered the Dodge had the heaviest load on that test and no matter what you say it passed. The other brands had less load or at least the Chevy did and they both failed. That says alot.
Doing better than the jeep engineers