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Being older than modes, I think the BEST modes have always been Front and Rear Locker mode. Also ground clearance mode and appropriate tire mode are pretty much fool proof.
@csuengr eventually it won't. I got tired of being literally tired on road trips. The constant wandering was irritating. All 3 of my jeeps did it. The bronco just tracks straight as an arrow for hours on end at 80 mph down the highway!
Had an ‘18 Wrangler JLU…will probably never own another Stellantis product as a result. I traded it for a ‘23 Ranger. I miss my ‘98 Wrangler, though, and may get an older Jeep in the future!
@@chriscon8463 before i got the bronco i seriously thought about holding out for a ranger raptor. though i think with all the little electronic/software gremlins the bronco has, my next offroader may be a classic. thinking K5 Blazer.
@@JustinKingOffroad I hate all this electronic stuff on modern vehicles! My Jeep had electrical gremlins from the start. I haven’t had any problems with my Ranger (16K miles) & hopefully it’ll be ok. I got an XL, though, so it doesn’t have a ton of stuff on it to begin with.
The “BEST” is the one you (1) Love, (2) Can Afford, & (3) Use. Thank you TFL for the comparison so we can make those decisions in a MORE INFORMED MINDSET.
Just objectively, the bronco failed the hardest test. Buy what you want, but there clearly were two superior performers within the parameters of this test.
I remember being absolutely in love with Wranglers when I was younger. Recently, I test drove one and nearly cried after getting out. Guess being older means you need Classic Wagoneer or a real Full Sized Truck with bench seats!
I once bought a 1993 wrangler with the leaf spring suspension and a lift and my (much younger) back tolerated it for 3 days before i put it up for sale. I'm now in a JL 4xe and the suspension is definitely stiff, esp at max tire pressure, but the seats are so good i don;t really mind it.
@@Papershields001 I'm not sure who talks bad about the Bronco. They are pretty heavily praised. Many point out areas where the Wrangler is better like in this video. But they are pretty highly regarded.
Thanks for bringing Jen along, it helps as I have struggled with my wife to explain some differences with vehicles and she made it clear, simple, and smart in a way that I can help her find her next car.... don't mean to sound insulting, just as a fellow car nerd, I needed her to explain in a a way that can translate, thank you TFL!
It's full time awd. They are about as reliable as a weatherman. Most come with low profile tires. Worst choice period! Did I mention reliability is even worse than Jeep? (Which are on the bottom)
@@Travisj9935 What a load of utter BULLSHIT. My wrangler blew its transmission at 50000kms and gave me heaps of headaches until the day i sold it. I moved to a 2022 new defender and have put 180000kms on it and guess what 0 issues! Reliability is worse than a jeep? 🤣🤣🤣 You must be cooking!
The defender is amazing, don't believe all these keyboard warriors that jump on the landrover is not reliable bandwagon. I have a 2020 110 with 100k miles on I've had no issues, they are a blast to drive on and off road. I also have a 2012 Evoque that hasn't been to the shop once, I found out that most people can't afford them so they just repeat what others say by jumping on that bandwagon. It's easier to bash something to admit they like it but can't afford it.
@@Wild-BrownsLand Rover is rated last in reliability. Also can’t afford comments are hilarious. My F350 FX4 and my wife’s Suburban are close to the same price range.
Bronco is the middle road of everything in a good way, with better on-road performance without losing much off-road performance than the Jeep and the opposite to the Defender. I spent months trying to figure out which way I would go, and I decided on the Bronco SAS and was happy I did. For some reason, people care about what I drive when they don't make the payments. I'm not mad at you if I see you driving a Jeep. We both share the same love for the same hobby.
still, the 3-way fail is mind blowing, to me. Seems like that would be a software update, yet 3 years after introduction and it still can't FrontWD its way out?
@@robsolf I don't know if it can now. That one they tested was not a '24 like mine. That part doesn't matter to me since I have front and rear lockers with the stab bar disconnect.
@@mrsethatwood It's not quite there, but it's close, yeah. I could have gotten a Defender for what I paid for my Badlands SAS, but I still prefer the Bronco for the reasons I stated.
The 2024 Jeeps are selling for $10-$15k off sticker at the moment, which makes them a VERY attractive buy........I'm seriously thinking of buying a Gladiator, and you may have convinced me I don't have to have the rear locker which will save me a bit of money over having to go up to the Willys trim level. Great video!
I actually like that when the Ford says traction control is off it's actually off. Sometimes you need wheelspin and this gives you the option to truly have everything off if you need it while also providing other modes that include traction control. Gives you more options & more tools to not get stuck.
You nailed it! I love and hate traction control, I love it when I'm driving on an icy road and it corrects a spin but I hate it when I want to go balls out tire spin fun.
I like all 3 of these. The Bronco looks awesome. I went with a new Jeep Wrangler. I live in WA, Jeep-country. Also, I didn't want all the "mode" selections. But the main reason- the 392 V8 in the Wrangler was the no-crap selling feature!
Yea, we went with Bronco. Just more room and better ride than the Jeep. I don’t really use the mode selections. I prefer to just manually select 4H or 4L, then if I need the lockers turn them on. People are foaming at the mouth wanting a V8, Bronco. Not sure why Jeep/Stellantis is discontinuing the V8 option.
Very nice, I really wanted a 2 door and the only 2 door v8 SUV made today is the Defender, so when I sold my 2 door Bronco I bought a 2 door v8 90 defender. I am a huge v8 fan, also love the 392 Hemi, I have the 392 Hemi in my challenger wide body scat pack. Simply a Glorious sounding engine. My brother has a 392 jeep, the 392 jeep is so awesome. You might want Look up Godspeed on TH-cam that guy has posted some killer 392 jeep content, he even drag races his as well as does lots of seriously off-roading in it.
i live in Wa as well, ive got a bronco, its not jeep country anymore. i think 4x4 country is the best phrase now. you got jeeps, broncos and the Toyota 4x4 which is also really good. the pnw is a place where if you dont have a truck or suv than you arent really living XD
Idk I’ve always seen Wa as Toyota and Subaru country. While there are a lot of Jeeps I just see more built Toyotas on the hard trails and Subarus on the fire roads and calling it “off roading”. I never see any broncos on the trails out here. I don’t even see them at Tahuya at all. I think maybe they are too new and too expensive maybe? I was looking at them and decided to get a 2 door JL rubicon when my LJ was taking a shit. Durable and same options as a Bronco for about $30,000 less. I do miss my LJ though.
I agree with your conclusions. So much so, that my wife and I have a Defender 90 S and a Badlands Sasquatch (with manual transmission - super important to me.) She mostly drives the Defender and I mostly drive the Bronco...but we both love both vehicles.
I just bought a 2 door manual Bronco a few months ago. Everything that showed up in the tests is spot on. I just flick on and off that rear locker as soon as the wheels start lifting.
Love your Channel guys. My suggestion for the Bronco would’ve been, use 4-Auto if your diffs are open. If you get stuck, activate the lockers. The lack of traction control intervention was a major selling point when I chose to purchase my 2024 Bronco. I have a 2-door Badlands Sasquatch Manual, and the thing is the best “out of the box” off road vehicle I’ve vehicle I’ve owned. I live in the mountains of New Mexico and it’s tested nearly daily. I owned a few TJ’s, a JK and a heavily modded XJ. Obviously the modded XJ was a monster off-road, but I usually trailered it because on road it was terrible. Keep up the great work. Look forward to the next show!
@ Not sure quite yet. There aren’t very many Braptor people near me in WV. I am a member of Bronco Nation. Wanna talk to some people before doing any builds and tuning.
@@alleliteaaronstarcher9417 same here lmao im in the urban part of nyc. i heard it’s pretty good for ur car both capability and performance wise. think i’ll be doing it lmk if or when u do
@@raymondclark1785Honestly, I’ll take the simplicity of “death shake” because it’s not that bad if you just do basic maintenance. Airbags and Land Rover and a big question mark now.
Until you take it into REALLY hard shit. The Jeep and Bronco when locked front and rear are more capable. TFL already tested the Defender against these 2 in 4 door forms and it sucked in HARD stuff😂
@@ronaldrrootiii6040no it did not - it pinched a tire - wrong rim/rubber; That was it. Bronco/wrangler are 1 trick ponies for week end fun only (i have a Yamaha Grizzly for that). Defender tows my 3 ton horse trailer like a true work horse on my farm.
@chrisl6281 i am pretty sure that's not true. My lr3 has 393 thousand miles on it never had anything go wrong. My lr4 has 171 thousand never had a problem also yes both big v8s and both with the air ride. my lr3 goes places the jeep stock or for stock ford couldn't go been there many times.
They do, but unfortunately it's a hybrid. But yeah if they could get us an inline 6 ICE engine with a manual transmission option, it would probably cost $20k less and be way more fun.
Fanboy disclosure: i own and daily drive a bronco black diamond. The thing about the 4WD on the bronco is that in 4low, you get no intervention. The goat modes are vastly different as far as intervention is concerned. Different conditions require different settings. Ex: sand and mud/rut are designed to allow for wheel spin in order to keep the tire tread clean. Arguably, perhaps the system is a little complicated-unnecessarily. Maybe the goat mode you used was the "wrong" one for the situation?
@raymondclark1785 hey mate. The Defender has a towing capacity of 7,716 odd pounds in Australia and they do it very easily in terms of engines and dynamics. Land Rovers here going back decades had between that and about 8,820 pounds. The legal payload of a 110 Defender is about 1873 pounds. Roof load for the 110 is 370 pounds Cheers
Great video Guys and gal. Been waiting for this one for a while. Great job! Having owned all 3 and currently have a v8 Defender 90. I really prefer the Defender overall. The Bronco is my second pick, followed by the jeep. I do occasionally go off road, nothing too crazy. I never took the roof off my 2dr jeeps nor my 2dr Bronco. I do push a button and open my Defenders sunroof once in a while. Overall hated the jeeps out on the hyway, wind noise and overall comfort the Bronco was ok, not something I ever loved road tripping in. The Defender does everything I want with ease and comfort including comfortable to road trip in. I really love the v8 in the defender and love how quiet it is on the road even with my off road tires on it.
My wife owned a Wrangler for 3 years and really liked it. However when she test drove a Bronco she had to trade the Jeep in. After owning the bronco for 2.5 years she still could not be happier.
I think "torture test" would imply doing something more difficult than what I would do with my Duramax or Outback. I would actually like seeing someone doing at least a 6 or 7 rated trail in Moab or similar with all three of these vehicles.
Having owned all three I would say the defender is far superior. I understand it is also the least analog of three, and the traditionalists will probably move towards the Jeep or the bronco, however, the defender is just a feet of engineering and I can’t stop thinking about how beautiful it is
Same, I have owned all 3 and all 3 are or were 2 door models. I 100% agree, my current Defender is by far my favorite of the 3. It’s super capable and such a comfortable machine to drive.
Excellent video - Being a working-class man these things are so expensive I would never take them off-road, instead I'd keep them detailed with the undercarriage coated with Woolswax to prevent rust & I would limit my 4X4 to easy around town use, maybe getting to the gym in a snowstorm & that's it.
Bought a slightly used Defender on a whim. Loved it. Smooth, fast and very quiet. Bronco was on order. Wildtrak came in. Liked it a lot. Much much much cheaper fit and finish than the Defender obviously. Traded it and bought a Braptor. Love it however.....had electrical issues early on that almost resulted in a buy back from Ford and now goes in tomorrow for probable cam phaser issues. One more thing its gone and Im going back to a Defender. Also, not sure if Im on Ford's shi- list or not from making a post on Bronco Nation but they never extended an invitation for buying an overpriced Braptor. Have had several Ford products but this will be the last one.
The Wrangler traction system is impressive for open diffs. As a CJ and ZJ owner I've been considering upgrading the ZJ to a new Jeep, but with Stellantis doing their best to commit suicide I've been up in the air. Part of me says "Restore the ZJ" and part of me says "Get a Bronco". No part of me says "Get a Land Rover", lol.
The JL was still designed and built by Jeep enthusiasts… Stellantis is killing Jeep, but that will be evident when the next wrangler comes out. The Jeep Recon EV will be our first clue if I’m right… that should be built exactly like the new Scout (body on frame, 35s, mechanical lockers, 80% serviceable at home, gas generator).
I was very much considering a new Wrangler, but for a combo of reasons, including your mention, I opted not to. Found an awesome deal on a '99 XJ Cherokee, going thru it upgrading. After driving new rigs a while, it's kinda fun to crawl into something with some personality. I have a '19 Cherokee Trailhawk too, it's become mostly my "going to town" rig. A little less field dust and dog hair in it now........ now if only I could shake the strong desire for a Ranger Raptor pickup!
I have a black diamond Sasquatch bronco that I wheel HEAVILY.... I also have a ZJ that's getting built currently so I have something I can wheel without being as worried about scraps and small dents.
I'm Jeep all day! There's just so many aftermarket parts that is unrivaled in any auto space. You make it however you want. For a base model, you have some dollars to spare to customize. Not as much with a Bronco, and certainly not any with a Land Rover. I do like the Bronco, but it seems to teeter the same lines as a 4th Gen explorer, which means it's not off-road focused.
@snoopyfix2 id happily debate with you on the bronco being not off road focused and following the same as the 4th Gen explorer since the explorer has independent front and rear suspension and the Bronco is literally built on the Ranger frame. I also very frequently and heavily wheel a bronco so having first hand, real world experience definitely helps.
Those Defender is awesome and 2021 and newer versions are definitely more reliable than people think. Jeep has major quality issues lately because of Stellantis and Bronco’s are great choice as well
Go for it, don't listen to people online saying it has problems. Defender are not cheap, most people are not as lucky to own one. I had two defender. Never had a problem as long as you follow the maintenance schedule.
Another great video. I like the fact you guys generally don’t show bias towards one brand. Truthfully I am Jeep bias, because I love their iconic history and based on my off-roading experience I believe Jeeps are just built to take way more abuse. Over the years, I have done some crazy stuff in my Jeeps and they have never let me down. One one occasion I flipped my Jeep on its side, we flipped it back over, and I drove home and then to work on Monday with no issues and only minor damage to a summer door. Another time off-roading I drove into a swamp and ended up with water waist deep inside. After I drove out, I just pulled the drain plugs and was good to go. I’m not sure you would want to do any of that in a Bronco or Defender. Anyhow, a couple ideas for future video comparisons, especially in regards to off-road capability. Jeeps are extremely easy to modify. For example, I’ve bolted lift kits on my Jeep in my garage with basic hand tools, and I’m not a mechanic. It would be interesting to see you guys do a comparison on something like that and how easy is it to lift or modify them. Another interesting future video would be to go with of budget of say 10 to 15k to spend on each vehicle for lift, tires, lockers, winches, etc. See what you can buy aftermarket and what you can modify and then how they perform afterwards.
When Tommy said that the 2024 Black Diamond 2.7 was $51k MSRP, I was stunned, and even thought "No way, Tommy must be wrong". He's not, the 2 door 2024 Black Diamond with only the 2.7 and HPR paint was $51,700 MSRP. How in da fuq Ford? I am still rocking my 2 door 2021 Bronco OBX 2.7 adv 4x4 Lux package which was $47.9k sticker for this exact reason. Ford has lost the plot on the pricing, it's ridiculous. 2025 pricing isn't going to be any better, and the options will be fewer, especially if you want a 2.7 Bronco.
Yeah, stickers have gone up. One difference, there are discounts available today, as they are no longer scarce. In 2021, many were paying over sticker.
Yep. That’s the reason Farley killed off the Everglades. It was “only” 55k but came with almost all of the off road goods AS WELL AS a snorkel and wench.
Love my Defender P400! It handles everything! So far so good! 30K miles,,,been to Anza Borrego, Ocotillo Wells, Johnson Valley, Mengel Pass in Death Valley, Mojave Desert,,,super comfy and is a good camper too!
Different types of people will be buying each of these vehicles. I can see more women gravitating to the Land Rover simply because of its ride and comfort. Younger guys will prefer the Bronco since it has many tech type features. The Jeep... is for the old school guys. Those that want something that can really go anywhere, has a lot of aftermarket support for modifications, and upgrades. The Jeep is for the DYI people, more so than the Bronco. Just my opinion, of course.
Traction control can get you out of isolated, medium difficult situations. But it's absolutely worthless for actual off-road usage. If you try to take any vehicle that relies on computers for traction on any real offroading, you're going to overheat the brakes and get seriously stuck in nothing flat. There is no substitute for full mechanical four wheel drive. Locking diffs are unbeatable, but even a good limited slip will get you MUCH further than any traction control will, and also get you out of much worse situations. The only reason that electronic 4x4s are so ubiquitous these days is because only .001% of people actually do any driving that requires traction control, never mind 4x4. And the people that DO actually use any of these vehicles the way they are advertised will absolutely not keave them OEM and will upgrade them with locking diffs and other significant upgrades.
So this video perfectly encapsulates my buying decision earlier this year. Wife's honda finally kicked the can (needed a new cat) and so we decided to get her a new ride. We live in Maine so snow performance is a must. We also travel to our hunting cabin up in the county where the access road is unmaintained and quite often washed out. We're GenXers as well. I also have a Hummer H1 and a FJ Cruiser. We were looking at high end broncos, GX550 and Defenders. When it came down to it, the GX would have been perfect but the waiting list was a mile long so I found a Defender 110 SE with the 6 cylinder. It was about the same price as what you guys paid for your 90, has 2 years (well, 1.5 years now) left on the warranty. The traction control system on the Defender is just magnificent. When you're driving on snow and slick roads, you don't have the opportunity to switch on a locker. I didn't want to deal with manually activated traction controls for when my wife was driving on treacherous terrain. Then there was the interior. It's just a damn nice interior. Plenty of storage. The only complaint is lack of 2nd row leg room when my 6'6" ass is in the front. Plus the Defender looks the best out of all of them. Obviously I'm not going to take the Defender on any *serious* offroad terrain (thats what the Hummer is for) so for what we need it for, its awesome. Jen's summary perfectly summed up our decision - and we couldn't be happier.
So basically, what it comes down to is that they are all very good off-road vehicles, which makes it matter of personal preference. You probably can’t go wrong with any one of these vehicles. Great review.
New defenders are trick, but of these 3, for tough off road I would always take the Jeep for ground clearance and simplicity. Defender has way too many expensive complicated electronics. I own an old diesel defender with lockers for off road and love it.
Just picked up my 2024 Ford Bronco Heritage. It's a great vehicle on road and off. I don't plan on doing any crazy off-road stuff with mine but it's nice to know I could if I want too.
I was choosing between Bronco and Wrangler, but eventually I decided to give Wrangler a try because I've been a long term Ford Escape owner and their service centre near me has become way too busy: any appointment is 1 or 2 months away.
rented a Bronco from bucknbronco in vegas last week, it was an awesome vehicle. went anywhere i wanted it to. now looking to buy one highly recommend. never bought a ford before but i gotta give it a try
I was surprised to see the Bronco struggle as much without lockers. I guess they could learn something from Jeep here. Here's what they could also do: - The Bronco gauge cluster is ridiculous. They are fixing this for 25. - It's nice to be able to pull the rear seats out of the Jeep. Bronco should have this. Also, wish the headrests folded forward like the Jeep instead of backwards.
The bronco goes into a traditional "old school" offroader when you go into 4Lo, shutting off the any traction control. I think a lot of people coming from an older 4x4 will appreciate that ability.
@@chriscamero2874 I pulled the rear seats out of my 23 bronco 2 door, replaced them with a cargo deck. Not sure who said that you can’t pull out the rear seats
@@Papershields001 Of course, I'm talking about easily removable seats. You can take anything apart, but the Bronco seats are not designed to be removed. To take them out, you have to break out the tools, figure out what to do with the seat belts, etc. I popped the seats out of our Jeep on Friday by just pulling a lever. And then popped them in yesterday.
@@chriscamero2874 I mean it’s like 4 bolts and 2 screws, it could be made even simpler but it’s a lot like taking the roof and doors off. If you know how to do it, it’s super easy. Ironically the front seats, which seem more intimidating are even easier to pop out than the rear ones. The whole truck is like that actually, everything accessible.
@@Papershields001 I get it. But you still have to use tools to pull it out. It's not like a Suburban from 10 years ago where you could pull the seat out as one piece. Plus, there is the seatbelt issue with the airbag light to address.
As a new bronco owner, I am disappointed in the slip test. Where was this video in July? Oh well, I've had 2 jeeps so far but am thoroughly enjoying my Wildtrak.
Thanks for telling me that if I want a Bronco for off road use that I want front and rear lockers. The Bronco is definitely more modern being a newer design from a more financially solid company, but the Jeep does appeal to a more retro off roader audience. At least nobody does buggy sprung axles anymore. Speaking of plasticy interiors, I was a lot happier with the soft interior of my 2002 Tundra than the 2016 F150 that I had to replace it with. Particularly the sharp edge where the door panel meets the window.
I was a 4x4 author for 15 years and hung out with the best such as Rick Pewe, Phil Howell, Dan Mick and more. The days of really good 4x4 reporting are gone.
Also, Tommy is 100% correct when he previously stated that with these modern traction control systems, you really don't need lockers to do most offroad trails. I'd also argue that the need for massive articulation is also vastly overstated - as the Defender so visibly demonstrated here.
...with the caveat that you dont need 4 wheels of traction to get up an obstacle. the main reason you want wheels on the ground is traction--- when you lift one you've reduced available traction 25%.
@@nothingtoseaheardammit Yea, kinda suck AWD is getting restricted from places now days, when they perform so well. Like Honda continues to not give a 4L option even though they are making the Passport more off road capable.
@@crawdaddctAgreed. A Honda Passport TrailSport is likely more off-road capable than its drivers, despite being a crossover vehicle and not a real SUV.
Like them all, but first choice for me is the Jeep. Despite all the electronics, it still has a naturally aspirated V6. It’s got great power to weight ratio. A very nimble handling machine. Still available with a soft top.
The Jeep is by far the best looking vehicle. That being said it's we don't know which level trail rating it is but the highest level trail rating absolutely blows the competition out of the water.
Another advantage to the solid front axle on the Wrangler is fixed ground clearance. The lowest point, being the front differential, will never change. The minimum clearance with an independent suspension can decrease when the vehicle comes down off an obstacle.
So what happens if you buy a base model without a rear locker. He's comparing to a base Jeep without lockers. Ford seems to really have inferior traction control to both the Jeep and the LR.
@@peterscott2662versions without the rear locker likely have different parameters designed into the electronic nannies. Most people complain about traction control systems getting in the way in more difficult off road situations where you'd normally engage low range. I've seen them complain about this on @tfl before. So Ford shuts them off when you put the Bronco in 4L. It's the equivalent of turning off stability and traction control systems in track mode with a performance car. That test should have been done in 4H or 4Auto, and nothing else. That's what these traction control systems are designed for. And if Ford makes a rear locker an easily added option, use it. The fact it's difficult to add one on the Jeep is a factor to be considered in the comparison.
@@JamesPhieffer That seems like wishful thinking. It's a lot more likely that if you don't have lockers it does the exact same thing. Meaning Ford is just worse if you buy a base model without lockers. I have no problem with them defaulting to TC off when you turn on Low range, but you should have the option to turn TC back on. For me this flips the position of the vehicles from Bronco previously #1, now moving the Jeep up to #1.
@@peterscott2662 yeah it seems like they don't have great traction control that's right. But the real fun is when you compare the top levels of each the Jeep and the Broncos destroy that Land Rover LOL that Land Rover won't last it's a piece of s*** I own two Land Rovers that I love and they are the most reliable ones ever made but there's no reason Land Rover should have made it this way. I mean look they piss people off enough for the Grenadier to be developed haha
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 LR is too expensive for me to even dream about, LOL! I'm only interested of comparisons of Base Jeep/Bronco. Base Bronco is coming back for 2025, but now I find it kind of crippled in the TC which you kind of need if you don't have a locker.
In my opinion half of off roading is knowing how to work on/ upgrade your own stuff. Any used 90s/ early 2000s Jeep Wrangler or Cherokee, a small to moderate lift, a rear lunchbox locker like a spartan, and 33 - 35 inch tires are a wicked good combination that will get you through just about anything and on a budget. You'll also learn real quick that shiny paint and a hefty loan is the last thing you want on a trail. Buy something with faded paint and a little rust, throw some Monstaliner on it and call it a day. The new stuff is awesome though and way better on the road. If you can afford it there's nothing wrong with going that route.
Especially when its telling you the system is off. People complain about the systems being off but the nannies still kick in. When it doesn't they complain still. 🤪
So apparently my joke came across as a joke to nobody but me, lol Fine, serious discussion - obviously you needed to see what the Bronco's brake-based traction assistance programming would do against the other 2 vehicles. And I find the ability of the computer to use individual wheel brakes to force a spinning wheel to stop so you can drive power to the ones that have traction to be an awesome feature. It's an excellent way of eliminating the issues with open diffs without the added hardware and complexity of a mechanical locker. But just like ABS and such these systems do rely on working wheel speed sensors. What if you're on the trail and a stick gets kicked up and rips a wheel speed sensor wire? I suspect the computer will just disable the brake-based traction system. Conversely, if you can engage a locker then you can guarantee that both wheels driven by it are going to turn regardless of traction. I know it's an unlikely scenario but it's certainly not outside of the realm of possibility. So yes, I do think actual lockers are better for true off-road vehicles. And I don't necessarily fault Ford for assuming the user isn't going to manually unlock the rear locker after the computer engaged it, based on the mode that the user selected.
Could you go wrong? They all really are great off-roaders. For me, at my age, I'm buying comfort. I would buy a 1 or 2 year old Defender. But that Bronco is nice too!
I would take the jeep over the others because it will be the most reliable and the easiest to work on plus the v6 in the jeep has been around forever and it is naturally aspirated compared to the other ones should have done the 3 wheel slip test on the jeep in 4 high to me the jeep is the best for the money
Yea, I like the V6, very solid motor. Only real issue is the plastic oil filter housing and the lifters. Every one I’ve had needed valve work done at 60K. Starts knocking like crazy. You can buy a metal aftermarket oil filter housing. Worth it if you’re keeping it long term. Same with all that plastic crap on the Bronco.
3 days ago traded in my 2 door 2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport for a 2020 4 door Sahara. Night and day difference. Never had an issue with any of my Jeeps and I've owned a lot of them. It really comes down to how you want to use them. From what I understand the Defender has some quality issues but that's the limit of my knowledge about that.
Awesome channel, great review. My 06 rubicon with v6 gets me anywhere I need off road. My 07 f350 , 4x4 with V10 , 4” lift with 37’s tows anything and never gets stuck . Daily drive a 2022 gx460 very comfortable ride and very capable off road. Wife drives a Lexus rx 350 2022 3.5 v6 , very capable suv. I’m not a fan of newer vehicles w 4 cylinder turbos. These older models can do anything the newer ones can do and are more reliable.
Superbly done, lots of fun, more videos like these, please, excellent work out to see where the rubber meets the road on these three off road vehicles.
I say Jeep is number one because of that solid front axle is fun reliable durable and useful off road, and it is the smallest and weighs the least/abundant aftermarket selection. Then the Bronco and lastly the LR
@@tammieandrzejczuk2573yes, reliable, but durable is a better way to describe it. I am brutal to my Jeeps by wheeling them on hard trails completely stock and I make them offroad tow at almost max towing capacity. In 24 years of ownership, my Jeeps have never left me stranded in the backcountry. That’s why I buy Jeeps. In terms of reliability, 10 years with a 4.0L (2000 TJ, 00-10) and 3.6L (2012, 11-21), no reliability issues on either long term Jeeps.
Adding a manual sway-bar disconnect solves the traction issue with the lower trim Broncos. It makes a HUGE difference in flex and makes it much more capable - even without a locker.
In the Bronco, “4 Auto” operates as an open center differential, while the base Bronco only comes with 4H and 4L modes. TFL should realize that comparing an open differential setup with a basic 4H/4L configuration isn’t an even comparison. On top of that, the base Jeep and Defender in their test don’t even have a “4 Auto” option. When the Bronco switched to 4H, the outcome was the same because it became the same test as the Jeep and Defender.
It isn’t an open center diff however because it’s still rear drive bias. The defender does not have 4A because it doesn’t need it. It’s always sending power to all four all the time
@@TFLoffroad yeah you are correct. It’s a rear drive unit with a clutch pack that sends power to the front wheels. There is no way to cut power to the rear wheels.
The Bronco clearly failed the three wheel slip tests compared to the Jeep and Land Rover. Whatever way Ford has it programmed, the Bronco failed to adequately use wheel speed sensors and brake actuation to send power to the single wheel having traction. I'm a Bronco owner but disappointed with the outcome. And having to play around with the GOAT mode dial, not liking that either. Give me 4-low with aggressive traction control that just works. And wow, just got to the trail comparison segment of the video, not good Ford.
Nice comparison. Super happy with my jeep, but not going to lie…that defender is super pretty and the broncos look is really slick. With any of the 3, I think I’d be a happy owner. 😊
This is a great example of why I don't really like modes. In the end they seem to add more complexity than benefit. It's hard to beat the tried and tested locker or even just an LSD. If you're not moving or think you're about to hit an obstacle that warrants it, engage the locker. Done. The Jeep's system was pretty impressive and straight forward, I'll give them that.
We'd all like to daily the Defender but which one of us would pay $65,000 for that little box. Prices are out of control. Even the Ford is too expensive. TT&L = $60,000 for a Bronco and not even the top model. Stupid crazy. Great video.
One thing not mentioned was the maintenance cost of the defender and reliability. I surely don’t want the repair bills from the Range Rover dealership. 😮
You're also getting an objectively more comprehensive vehicle with the defender though. Better interior quality, more tech, more seats, more towing then the 2 combined, night and day difference in ride quality and daily drive ability.
Honestly, I am pretty sure I owned that SAME jumper in 1974 when I lived in New Jersey. Same colours and everything. I was 6 yrs old, so I am not saying it is MY jumper; just found it funny to see it again on an adult. Anyway - thanks for your content.
It is funny how people totally forget about just how good the Land Rover system is. Literally every single company that makes a 4x4, has tried to copy it. Only downside is that it isn’t the most intuitive thing ever made, you need to know how to use it. But if you know what modes to use and when and how, an open diff Land Rover will go places you usually need front and rear lockers for in anything else. It’s bananas.
A solid axle's main off-roading advantage is that it can articulate while maintaining ground clearance; lifting a wheel lifts the differential pumpkin, and the vehicle cannot physically lower itself lower than the solid axle (unless it's really damaged). An independent suspension can have great articulation, but it's almost always a trade-off with ground clearance; when the suspension compresses, especially on bounce and rebound, the vehicle actually loses ground clearance - even the Humvee is not immune to this. On the other hand, you can pump your air suspension full and ride on the tallest settings, but that comes at the cost of articulation - on this mode, you're more likely to have a tire in the air. There are ways around this. Land Rover IIRC had a system that would transfer air from one corner of the vehicle to another, simulating the solid axle's ability to push a wheel down when the other is lifted, tho IIRC these were, in typical LR, not reliable. Jeep themselves had an independent suspension wrangler prototype from way back, called Lil' Blue, that had a floating differential that would be mechanically lifted and rotated if one of the wheels where lifted, but it was deemed too costly and complex to put in production. The irony is that Ford had an answer to this, in the Twin I-Beam / Twin Traction Beam suspension of old Ford trucks and old Broncos. It had its own problems, such as camber issues, but further development of the suspension could have fixed these.
When I hit the trails, I want as much off-road capability as possible, I wouldn't compromise that for a bit more comfort on the road. Jeep all the way.
Really great video! Kudos to the whole crew. Like many others have mentioned, I can't help but remember the First Edition Bronco you did those same tests with and how much better it did. I have a Base Sasquatch and I would say mine performs more like the 2 door you tested today so I would say the Sasquatch package itself doesn't improve the traction control abilities. The lockers are game changers but my 2020 Jeep seemed to have a far advanced traction control system than my Bronco. I would say the Jeep with just traction control is pretty impressive, the Bronco needs at least 1 locker to keep up. The traction control on the Defender is next level. Super impressive! I love my Bronco but I'll wait a few years for depreciation to rear it's ugly head and see if I can find a clean Defender at a good price.....and hopefully not have to work on it constantly!
@@knifetoucher yeah machines don’t work if you disable their features and don’t use them as designed. Did you notice how the bronco performed perfectly when he just put it in mud and ruts and drove it? That bronco has a locker, that jeep doesn’t, anyone with any off-road experience at all will tell you which of those two vehicles is more capable.
Fun watch. Thanks! I'm legit surprised by the positive comments about the Bronco from Tommy. Each vehicle has its market, I think. Jeep/Bronco have the closest crossover, I'd say. The Defender still strikes me as an option for a different type of person - someone who was driving a luxury car and wanted to get something more off-roady. I own a 2021 2-door Badlands and I absolutely love it. But I did consider and price out a Wrangler back in 2021 when it was questionable if a Bronco was even a possibility.
@@TheCdnLibertarianit's not even a debate in my mind. Literally everyone I know who's bought an ecoboost product locally has cursed them out. Turbo issues, timing chain issues on the twin turbo v6's. Guy I know in Kelowna bought a Ford Ranger with the ecoboost 4, religious about services, takes care his ride, drives like a Grandpa. Sounds like a badly maintained diesel now at 120,000 km's, and Ford told him he needs a new engine, for $10,000.... Or a new truck! 😃. I dont listen to internet yapping much; I go by what I see, hear, and experience. I wouldn't touch an ecoboost ride with a ten foot pole.
@@GeneralLeeVanderwood is the one guy you know the extent of the people you know with an Ecoboost? Seems odd to base an entire perception on such anecdotes. Are you sure this guy was religious about maintenance? Even remotely possible that the one experience is not indicative of the larger picture? You mention knowing about others you know having issues and cursing out their Ecoboost engines, specifically the V6. What have they told you about their direct experiences since it sounds like you do not listen to internet yapping (which is primarily where all the FUD comes from)?
From all three, Wrangler and Bronco are truly off roaders, I would pick the Jeep, simply because it's simpler and has less electronics that translates to less problems or electrical gremlins in the future.
IFS is better in most scenarios off road except extreme articulation. Mud, snow, sand, hill climbing or high speed stuff. Rock crawling sure, everything else no. The front diff pushes into the deep stuff
I think the best is still the Defender. How often does someone offroad a suv unless one lives at a rural area. You can bring the defender off road and also valet it at a five stars hotel or at a michlien star resturant which dosnt look out of place.
@@purpytwinzo4290 it would look silly if you bring it on a classy area. A lady on high heels in formal dress would be ashamed and wouldn’t ride that thing. Guess which vehicle will that lady pick if somebody will offer them a ride? It would be the Rover
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Being older than modes, I think the BEST modes have always been Front and Rear Locker mode. Also ground clearance mode and appropriate tire mode are pretty much fool proof.
Yep. YOU know where you're going and what's in front of you; you should have control.
Gotta love all the Wrangler grannies.
You’re in sass mode
SHOVEL MODE
as a convert from jeep to bronco, i can tell you it does NOT flex as well as the jeep. However, on-trail and on-road comfort is hands down better!
I have a Jeep because for the same equipment I paid $15k less. Rides just fine on and off road.
@csuengr eventually it won't. I got tired of being literally tired on road trips. The constant wandering was irritating. All 3 of my jeeps did it. The bronco just tracks straight as an arrow for hours on end at 80 mph down the highway!
Had an ‘18 Wrangler JLU…will probably never own another Stellantis product as a result. I traded it for a ‘23 Ranger. I miss my ‘98 Wrangler, though, and may get an older Jeep in the future!
@@chriscon8463 before i got the bronco i seriously thought about holding out for a ranger raptor. though i think with all the little electronic/software gremlins the bronco has, my next offroader may be a classic. thinking K5 Blazer.
@@JustinKingOffroad I hate all this electronic stuff on modern vehicles! My Jeep had electrical gremlins from the start. I haven’t had any problems with my Ranger (16K miles) & hopefully it’ll be ok. I got an XL, though, so it doesn’t have a ton of stuff on it to begin with.
The “BEST” is the one you (1) Love, (2) Can Afford, & (3) Use. Thank you TFL for the comparison so we can make those decisions in a MORE INFORMED MINDSET.
Just objectively, the bronco failed the hardest test. Buy what you want, but there clearly were two superior performers within the parameters of this test.
Had a wrangler but I’m getting older and my back doesn’t tolerate it so well. So I bought a bronco wildtrack. I am happy so far.
I remember being absolutely in love with Wranglers when I was younger. Recently, I test drove one and nearly cried after getting out. Guess being older means you need Classic Wagoneer or a real Full Sized Truck with bench seats!
People talk a lot of crap about Broncos, but I’ve had a great experience with my badlands
@@bawintermage8351 Or IFS.
I once bought a 1993 wrangler with the leaf spring suspension and a lift and my (much younger) back tolerated it for 3 days before i put it up for sale. I'm now in a JL 4xe and the suspension is definitely stiff, esp at max tire pressure, but the seats are so good i don;t really mind it.
@@Papershields001 I'm not sure who talks bad about the Bronco. They are pretty heavily praised. Many point out areas where the Wrangler is better like in this video. But they are pretty highly regarded.
Thanks for bringing Jen along, it helps as I have struggled with my wife to explain some differences with vehicles and she made it clear, simple, and smart in a way that I can help her find her next car.... don't mean to sound insulting, just as a fellow car nerd, I needed her to explain in a a way that can translate, thank you TFL!
One of the most interesting videos I think TFL has done. Thanks guys.
The Defender really is amazing in how capable it is.
It's full time awd. They are about as reliable as a weatherman. Most come with low profile tires. Worst choice period! Did I mention reliability is even worse than Jeep? (Which are on the bottom)
@@Travisj9935 What a load of utter BULLSHIT. My wrangler blew its transmission at 50000kms and gave me heaps of headaches until the day i sold it. I moved to a 2022 new defender and have put 180000kms on it and guess what 0 issues! Reliability is worse than a jeep? 🤣🤣🤣 You must be cooking!
The Land Rover has Terrible reliability and expensive to service.
The defender is amazing, don't believe all these keyboard warriors that jump on the landrover is not reliable bandwagon. I have a 2020 110 with 100k miles on I've had no issues, they are a blast to drive on and off road. I also have a 2012 Evoque that hasn't been to the shop once, I found out that most people can't afford them so they just repeat what others say by jumping on that bandwagon. It's easier to bash something to admit they like it but can't afford it.
@@Wild-BrownsLand Rover is rated last in reliability. Also can’t afford comments are hilarious. My F350 FX4 and my wife’s Suburban are close to the same price range.
Bronco is the middle road of everything in a good way, with better on-road performance without losing much off-road performance than the Jeep and the opposite to the Defender. I spent months trying to figure out which way I would go, and I decided on the Bronco SAS and was happy I did. For some reason, people care about what I drive when they don't make the payments. I'm not mad at you if I see you driving a Jeep. We both share the same love for the same hobby.
still, the 3-way fail is mind blowing, to me. Seems like that would be a software update, yet 3 years after introduction and it still can't FrontWD its way out?
Well said friend.
@@robsolf I don't know if it can now. That one they tested was not a '24 like mine. That part doesn't matter to me since I have front and rear lockers with the stab bar disconnect.
@@ScottM436 correct, you need to spec that up to defender costs to defeat that test.
@@mrsethatwood It's not quite there, but it's close, yeah. I could have gotten a Defender for what I paid for my Badlands SAS, but I still prefer the Bronco for the reasons I stated.
The 2024 Jeeps are selling for $10-$15k off sticker at the moment, which makes them a VERY attractive buy........I'm seriously thinking of buying a Gladiator, and you may have convinced me I don't have to have the rear locker which will save me a bit of money over having to go up to the Willys trim level. Great video!
I actually like that when the Ford says traction control is off it's actually off. Sometimes you need wheelspin and this gives you the option to truly have everything off if you need it while also providing other modes that include traction control. Gives you more options & more tools to not get stuck.
You nailed it! I love and hate traction control, I love it when I'm driving on an icy road and it corrects a spin but I hate it when I want to go balls out tire spin fun.
I like all 3 of these. The Bronco looks awesome. I went with a new Jeep Wrangler. I live in WA, Jeep-country. Also, I didn't want all the "mode" selections. But the main reason- the 392 V8 in the Wrangler was the no-crap selling feature!
Yea, we went with Bronco. Just more room and better ride than the Jeep. I don’t really use the mode selections. I prefer to just manually select 4H or 4L, then if I need the lockers turn them on. People are foaming at the mouth wanting a V8, Bronco. Not sure why Jeep/Stellantis is discontinuing the V8 option.
@@crawdaddctyeah. I’d love love love to have a 392 jeep. But can’t give a kidney up yet!
Very nice, I really wanted a 2 door and the only 2 door v8 SUV made today is the Defender, so when I sold my 2 door Bronco I bought a 2 door v8 90 defender.
I am a huge v8 fan, also love the 392 Hemi, I have the 392 Hemi in my challenger wide body scat pack. Simply a Glorious sounding engine.
My brother has a 392 jeep, the 392 jeep is so awesome.
You might want Look up Godspeed on TH-cam that guy has posted some killer 392 jeep content, he even drag races his as well as does lots of seriously off-roading in it.
i live in Wa as well, ive got a bronco, its not jeep country anymore. i think 4x4 country is the best phrase now. you got jeeps, broncos and the Toyota 4x4 which is also really good. the pnw is a place where if you dont have a truck or suv than you arent really living XD
Idk I’ve always seen Wa as Toyota and Subaru country. While there are a lot of Jeeps I just see more built Toyotas on the hard trails and Subarus on the fire roads and calling it “off roading”. I never see any broncos on the trails out here. I don’t even see them at Tahuya at all. I think maybe they are too new and too expensive maybe? I was looking at them and decided to get a 2 door JL rubicon when my LJ was taking a shit. Durable and same options as a Bronco for about $30,000 less. I do miss my LJ though.
I agree with your conclusions. So much so, that my wife and I have a Defender 90 S and a Badlands Sasquatch (with manual transmission - super important to me.) She mostly drives the Defender and I mostly drive the Bronco...but we both love both vehicles.
I just bought a 2 door manual Bronco a few months ago. Everything that showed up in the tests is spot on. I just flick on and off that rear locker as soon as the wheels start lifting.
This Wrangler is capable of towing only 2000 lbs... Tommy: Not a ton of weight 😂
1 ton (US) in pounds
1 ton = 2000lbs / 910kg
What Tommy was referring to was the Imperial "Shit-Ton" of weight, which is 4,376lbs...🤣🤣
@@kx8960 makes sense 😂
Yes land rover for sure for towing. But I wouldn't buy one 😂
Didn’t they recently upgrade the towing on the wrangler?
Love your Channel guys. My suggestion for the Bronco would’ve been, use 4-Auto if your diffs are open. If you get stuck, activate the lockers. The lack of traction control intervention was a major selling point when I chose to purchase my 2024 Bronco. I have a 2-door Badlands Sasquatch Manual, and the thing is the best “out of the box” off road vehicle I’ve vehicle I’ve owned. I live in the mountains of New Mexico and it’s tested nearly daily. I owned a few TJ’s, a JK and a heavily modded XJ. Obviously the modded XJ was a monster off-road, but I usually trailered it because on road it was terrible.
Keep up the great work. Look forward to the next show!
People complaining about Bronco’s lack of traction control while in low range is ridiculous..
Just bought a new Bronco Raptor and can’t keep a smile off my face anytime I’m driving it.
so lucky good for u bro. u plan on getting the precal tune? i wanna trade in my big bend for a braptor early next year so im wondering
@ Not sure quite yet. There aren’t very many Braptor people near me in WV. I am a member of Bronco Nation. Wanna talk to some people before doing any builds and tuning.
@@alleliteaaronstarcher9417 same here lmao im in the urban part of nyc. i heard it’s pretty good for ur car both capability and performance wise. think i’ll be doing it lmk if or when u do
Hopefully you got a good deal on it, lots of Braptors sitting on dealer lots. Awesome truck but Ford really screwed up with the pricing increase
@@superleggera1900 $20k off brand new
Having had a new 2 door Bronco and now driving a Defender 90, the 90 is a far better daily driver. Much less wind noise, better windshield visibility.
80 years ago Jeep and LR were on the same frame.
Now we have air suspension and Jeep still have a death shake 😢
@@raymondclark1785Honestly, I’ll take the simplicity of “death shake” because it’s not that bad if you just do basic maintenance. Airbags and Land Rover and a big question mark now.
Land Rover Defender still got that Camel Trophy vibe just walking through the ruts and the least dilly dallying :)
Until you take it into REALLY hard shit. The Jeep and Bronco when locked front and rear are more capable. TFL already tested the Defender against these 2 in 4 door forms and it sucked in HARD stuff😂
@@ronaldrrootiii6040no it did not - it pinched a tire - wrong rim/rubber; That was it. Bronco/wrangler are 1 trick ponies for week end fun only (i have a Yamaha Grizzly for that). Defender tows my 3 ton horse trailer like a true work horse on my farm.
too bad reliability sucks
@chrisl6281 i am pretty sure that's not true. My lr3 has 393 thousand miles on it never had anything go wrong. My lr4 has 171 thousand never had a problem also yes both big v8s and both with the air ride. my lr3 goes places the jeep stock or for stock ford couldn't go been there many times.
@@prey4fallout90 check out the reliability on the new rovers across the board, junk
Can’t wait to see scout added to this competition. Really wish they would give a combustion engine option.
The two door Bronco looks great.
They do, but unfortunately it's a hybrid. But yeah if they could get us an inline 6 ICE engine with a manual transmission option, it would probably cost $20k less and be way more fun.
Without an internal combustion engine it is not an option. Not even the hybrid.
Fanboy disclosure: i own and daily drive a bronco black diamond. The thing about the 4WD on the bronco is that in 4low, you get no intervention. The goat modes are vastly different as far as intervention is concerned. Different conditions require different settings. Ex: sand and mud/rut are designed to allow for wheel spin in order to keep the tire tread clean. Arguably, perhaps the system is a little complicated-unnecessarily. Maybe the goat mode you used was the "wrong" one for the situation?
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He could have just turned on advanced trac and tested it “fair” as he said he would
Last time i looked the Defender had a much better load carrying capacity (as well as roof and towing). Cheers
I was towing a 4000 pound trailer last week like it wasn't even there except for the gas gauge sinking like a rock 😢
@raymondclark1785 hey mate. The Defender has a towing capacity of 7,716 odd pounds in Australia and they do it very easily in terms of engines and dynamics. Land Rovers here going back decades had between that and about 8,820 pounds. The legal payload of a 110 Defender is about 1873 pounds. Roof load for the 110 is 370 pounds Cheers
Great video Guys and gal. Been waiting for this one for a while.
Great job!
Having owned all 3 and currently have a v8 Defender 90. I really prefer the Defender overall.
The Bronco is my second pick, followed by the jeep. I do occasionally go off road, nothing too crazy.
I never took the roof off my 2dr jeeps nor my 2dr Bronco. I do push a button and open my Defenders sunroof once in a while.
Overall hated the jeeps out on the hyway, wind noise and overall comfort the Bronco was ok, not something I ever loved road tripping in.
The Defender does everything I want with ease and comfort including comfortable to road trip in. I really love the v8 in the defender and love how quiet it is on the road even with my off road tires on it.
My wife owned a Wrangler for 3 years and really liked it. However when she test drove a Bronco she had to trade the Jeep in. After owning the bronco for 2.5 years she still could not be happier.
I think "torture test" would imply doing something more difficult than what I would do with my Duramax or Outback. I would actually like seeing someone doing at least a 6 or 7 rated trail in Moab or similar with all three of these vehicles.
Having owned all three I would say the defender is far superior. I understand it is also the least analog of three, and the traditionalists will probably move towards the Jeep or the bronco, however, the defender is just a feet of engineering and I can’t stop thinking about how beautiful it is
It's far superior on road.
@@jmo0311which most people spend their time on.
Same, I have owned all 3 and all 3 are or were 2 door models. I 100% agree, my current Defender is by far my favorite of the 3. It’s super capable and such a comfortable machine to drive.
Come back in 5 years when you go bankrupt getting it fixed.
@@crespo72285 but this is a 4x4 torture test...........
Excellent video - Being a working-class man these things are so expensive I would never take them off-road, instead I'd keep them detailed with the undercarriage coated with Woolswax to prevent rust & I would limit my 4X4 to easy around town use, maybe getting to the gym in a snowstorm & that's it.
Love these types of in depth comparisons that TFL is known for!
One of the best TFL videos ever. Thank you for being so thorough.
Bought a slightly used Defender on a whim. Loved it. Smooth, fast and very quiet. Bronco was on order. Wildtrak came in. Liked it a lot. Much much much cheaper fit and finish than the Defender obviously. Traded it and bought a Braptor. Love it however.....had electrical issues early on that almost resulted in a buy back from Ford and now goes in tomorrow for probable cam phaser issues. One more thing its gone and Im going back to a Defender. Also, not sure if Im on Ford's shi- list or not from making a post on Bronco Nation but they never extended an invitation for buying an overpriced Braptor. Have had several Ford products but this will be the last one.
The Wrangler traction system is impressive for open diffs. As a CJ and ZJ owner I've been considering upgrading the ZJ to a new Jeep, but with Stellantis doing their best to commit suicide I've been up in the air. Part of me says "Restore the ZJ" and part of me says "Get a Bronco". No part of me says "Get a Land Rover", lol.
The JL was still designed and built by Jeep enthusiasts… Stellantis is killing Jeep, but that will be evident when the next wrangler comes out. The Jeep Recon EV will be our first clue if I’m right… that should be built exactly like the new Scout (body on frame, 35s, mechanical lockers, 80% serviceable at home, gas generator).
I was very much considering a new Wrangler, but for a combo of reasons, including your mention, I opted not to. Found an awesome deal on a '99 XJ Cherokee, going thru it upgrading. After driving new rigs a while, it's kinda fun to crawl into something with some personality. I have a '19 Cherokee Trailhawk too, it's become mostly my "going to town" rig. A little less field dust and dog hair in it now........ now if only I could shake the strong desire for a Ranger Raptor pickup!
I have a black diamond Sasquatch bronco that I wheel HEAVILY.... I also have a ZJ that's getting built currently so I have something I can wheel without being as worried about scraps and small dents.
I'm Jeep all day! There's just so many aftermarket parts that is unrivaled in any auto space. You make it however you want. For a base model, you have some dollars to spare to customize. Not as much with a Bronco, and certainly not any with a Land Rover. I do like the Bronco, but it seems to teeter the same lines as a 4th Gen explorer, which means it's not off-road focused.
@snoopyfix2 id happily debate with you on the bronco being not off road focused and following the same as the 4th Gen explorer since the explorer has independent front and rear suspension and the Bronco is literally built on the Ranger frame. I also very frequently and heavily wheel a bronco so having first hand, real world experience definitely helps.
Solid axle maintain wheel spacing (important for traction), and maintain clearnece under diff. When one wheel goes up... whole axle goes up.
Great video. I have a 2021 2dr badlands Sasquatch w v6. Just turned 30k miles. Best vehicle I have ever owned.
I don’t know if others pointed it out and that’s not the point of the channel, but as a watch person, loving the moonswatch there Tommy.
I'm rocking my vintage Omega one right now :)
The bronco turns traction controls off when the transfercase is in low range 17:50 @TFLOffroad
Thank you for including a Defender! Looking into buying one & you convinced my decision
Don't!
They are very problematic.
Junk!
Those Defender is awesome and 2021 and newer versions are definitely more reliable than people think. Jeep has major quality issues lately because of Stellantis and Bronco’s are great choice as well
Go for it, don't listen to people online saying it has problems. Defender are not cheap, most people are not as lucky to own one.
I had two defender. Never had a problem as long as you follow the maintenance schedule.
@@elmoreno117 junk!
Lease it and you’ll be fine. There are very few cars you want to own beyond the warranty
Really like Jen’s perspective added to Tommy and Chase’s review. This format provides nice contrast and covers all angles
I voted with my pocketbook and bought a well equipped 4 dr. Wrangler Rubicon. Got $12k off, too. No regrets.
Shit I only spent $12k on my 4 door Rubicon.
Another great video. I like the fact you guys generally don’t show bias towards one brand. Truthfully I am Jeep bias, because I love their iconic history and based on my off-roading experience I believe Jeeps are just built to take way more abuse. Over the years, I have done some crazy stuff in my Jeeps and they have never let me down. One one occasion I flipped my Jeep on its side, we flipped it back over, and I drove home and then to work on Monday with no issues and only minor damage to a summer door. Another time off-roading I drove into a swamp and ended up with water waist deep inside. After I drove out, I just pulled the drain plugs and was good to go. I’m not sure you would want to do any of that in a Bronco or Defender.
Anyhow, a couple ideas for future video comparisons, especially in regards to off-road capability.
Jeeps are extremely easy to modify. For example, I’ve bolted lift kits on my Jeep in my garage with basic hand tools, and I’m not a mechanic. It would be interesting to see you guys do a comparison on something like that and how easy is it to lift or modify them.
Another interesting future video would be to go with of budget of say 10 to 15k to spend on each vehicle for lift, tires, lockers, winches, etc. See what you can buy aftermarket and what you can modify and then how they perform afterwards.
When Tommy said that the 2024 Black Diamond 2.7 was $51k MSRP, I was stunned, and even thought "No way, Tommy must be wrong". He's not, the 2 door 2024 Black Diamond with only the 2.7 and HPR paint was $51,700 MSRP. How in da fuq Ford? I am still rocking my 2 door 2021 Bronco OBX 2.7 adv 4x4 Lux package which was $47.9k sticker for this exact reason. Ford has lost the plot on the pricing, it's ridiculous. 2025 pricing isn't going to be any better, and the options will be fewer, especially if you want a 2.7 Bronco.
Yeah, stickers have gone up. One difference, there are discounts available today, as they are no longer scarce. In 2021, many were paying over sticker.
Yep. That’s the reason Farley killed off the Everglades. It was “only” 55k but came with almost all of the off road goods AS WELL AS a snorkel and wench.
@Clockwork… I agree but please, keep this thread family friendly. Promise us no more mentioning of “wench”. 😃
@@is6566
That’s what happens when you comment using voice notes 😂
yeah, really dismal performance from Ford.
The rear locker does matter when both rear wheels are stuck you eould be surprised what a locker can do with wheels stuck bud 24:00 TFLOffroad
I think this is the first video I’ve seen where someone actually wants more computer intervention
Traction control on the jeep made it look easy, then the bronco failed right after, seems to help
Love my Defender P400! It handles everything! So far so good! 30K miles,,,been to Anza Borrego, Ocotillo Wells, Johnson Valley, Mengel Pass in Death Valley, Mojave Desert,,,super comfy and is a good camper too!
Different types of people will be buying each of these vehicles. I can see more women gravitating to the Land Rover simply because of its ride and comfort. Younger guys will prefer the Bronco since it has many tech type features. The Jeep... is for the old school guys. Those that want something that can really go anywhere, has a lot of aftermarket support for modifications, and upgrades. The Jeep is for the DYI people, more so than the Bronco. Just my opinion, of course.
Agreed. I’m still partial to the TJ and XJ, but my wife has a ‘23 LJ, and the solid axles and manual t’case suit my taste.
Traction control can get you out of isolated, medium difficult situations. But it's absolutely worthless for actual off-road usage. If you try to take any vehicle that relies on computers for traction on any real offroading, you're going to overheat the brakes and get seriously stuck in nothing flat. There is no substitute for full mechanical four wheel drive. Locking diffs are unbeatable, but even a good limited slip will get you MUCH further than any traction control will, and also get you out of much worse situations.
The only reason that electronic 4x4s are so ubiquitous these days is because only .001% of people actually do any driving that requires traction control, never mind 4x4. And the people that DO actually use any of these vehicles the way they are advertised will absolutely not keave them OEM and will upgrade them with locking diffs and other significant upgrades.
The Land Rover made everything look easy
simpler, but more unreliable!
@AdolfAdolfovich1375 I think they're on equal ground reliability wise. Not one of them is known to be perfect
@@shiftmotorsports9803perhaps you are right!
Until you take it to the Jeeps limits where both lockers and sway bars are disconnected.
Until the going gets tough.
So this video perfectly encapsulates my buying decision earlier this year. Wife's honda finally kicked the can (needed a new cat) and so we decided to get her a new ride. We live in Maine so snow performance is a must. We also travel to our hunting cabin up in the county where the access road is unmaintained and quite often washed out. We're GenXers as well. I also have a Hummer H1 and a FJ Cruiser. We were looking at high end broncos, GX550 and Defenders. When it came down to it, the GX would have been perfect but the waiting list was a mile long so I found a Defender 110 SE with the 6 cylinder. It was about the same price as what you guys paid for your 90, has 2 years (well, 1.5 years now) left on the warranty. The traction control system on the Defender is just magnificent. When you're driving on snow and slick roads, you don't have the opportunity to switch on a locker. I didn't want to deal with manually activated traction controls for when my wife was driving on treacherous terrain. Then there was the interior. It's just a damn nice interior. Plenty of storage. The only complaint is lack of 2nd row leg room when my 6'6" ass is in the front. Plus the Defender looks the best out of all of them. Obviously I'm not going to take the Defender on any *serious* offroad terrain (thats what the Hummer is for) so for what we need it for, its awesome. Jen's summary perfectly summed up our decision - and we couldn't be happier.
So basically, what it comes down to is that they are all very good off-road vehicles, which makes it matter of personal preference. You probably can’t go wrong with any one of these vehicles. Great review.
Really wish it would stop being refered to as a Center Differential its a Transfercase Lock not a Center Differential 3:45 @TFLOffroad
New defenders are trick, but of these 3, for tough off road I would always take the Jeep for ground clearance and simplicity. Defender has way too many expensive complicated electronics. I own an old diesel defender with lockers for off road and love it.
Just picked up my 2024 Ford Bronco Heritage. It's a great vehicle on road and off. I don't plan on doing any crazy off-road stuff with mine but it's nice to know I could if I want too.
I mean, bronco does great when you actually use the tools they give you
I was choosing between Bronco and Wrangler, but eventually I decided to give Wrangler a try because I've been a long term Ford Escape owner and their service centre near me has become way too busy: any appointment is 1 or 2 months away.
Defender all the way.
Unless the terrain gets difficult.
….to the dealership because it will need to be there, frequently
@@chris-qo1nt The L663 is actually a very reliable vehicle.
@@chris-qo1nt Lots of stop sales, TSB's and recalls on the Jeep and Fords.
rented a Bronco from bucknbronco in vegas last week, it was an awesome vehicle. went anywhere i wanted it to. now looking to buy one highly recommend. never bought a ford before but i gotta give it a try
I want to see a roof/door off comparison (Jeep v bronco). What’s easier, storage, features and fun factor.
I'm old school at 60 so I favor the Bronco I guess but great comparison and video. Thank you for taking the time
I was surprised to see the Bronco struggle as much without lockers. I guess they could learn something from Jeep here. Here's what they could also do:
- The Bronco gauge cluster is ridiculous. They are fixing this for 25.
- It's nice to be able to pull the rear seats out of the Jeep. Bronco should have this. Also, wish the headrests folded forward like the Jeep instead of backwards.
The bronco goes into a traditional "old school" offroader when you go into 4Lo, shutting off the any traction control. I think a lot of people coming from an older 4x4 will appreciate that ability.
@@chriscamero2874 I pulled the rear seats out of my 23 bronco 2 door, replaced them with a cargo deck. Not sure who said that you can’t pull out the rear seats
@@Papershields001 Of course, I'm talking about easily removable seats. You can take anything apart, but the Bronco seats are not designed to be removed. To take them out, you have to break out the tools, figure out what to do with the seat belts, etc. I popped the seats out of our Jeep on Friday by just pulling a lever. And then popped them in yesterday.
@@chriscamero2874 I mean it’s like 4 bolts and 2 screws, it could be made even simpler but it’s a lot like taking the roof and doors off. If you know how to do it, it’s super easy. Ironically the front seats, which seem more intimidating are even easier to pop out than the rear ones. The whole truck is like that actually, everything accessible.
@@Papershields001 I get it. But you still have to use tools to pull it out. It's not like a Suburban from 10 years ago where you could pull the seat out as one piece. Plus, there is the seatbelt issue with the airbag light to address.
Unexpectedly emotional, thank you Si for being so real!
As a new bronco owner, I am disappointed in the slip test. Where was this video in July? Oh well, I've had 2 jeeps so far but am thoroughly enjoying my Wildtrak.
Thanks for telling me that if I want a Bronco for off road use that I want front and rear lockers. The Bronco is definitely more modern being a newer design from a more financially solid company, but the Jeep does appeal to a more retro off roader audience. At least nobody does buggy sprung axles anymore.
Speaking of plasticy interiors, I was a lot happier with the soft interior of my 2002 Tundra than the 2016 F150 that I had to replace it with. Particularly the sharp edge where the door panel meets the window.
We need more of Jen in your videos. 😊
I was a 4x4 author for 15 years and hung out with the best such as Rick Pewe, Phil Howell, Dan Mick and more. The days of really good 4x4 reporting are gone.
Also, Tommy is 100% correct when he previously stated that with these modern traction control systems, you really don't need lockers to do most offroad trails. I'd also argue that the need for massive articulation is also vastly overstated - as the Defender so visibly demonstrated here.
...with the caveat that you dont need 4 wheels of traction to get up an obstacle. the main reason you want wheels on the ground is traction--- when you lift one you've reduced available traction 25%.
No way lol
You need articulation to keep the tires on the ground. Lockers allow you to have traction with one tire on the ground.
@@nothingtoseaheardammit Yea, kinda suck AWD is getting restricted from places now days, when they perform so well. Like Honda continues to not give a 4L option even though they are making the Passport more off road capable.
@@crawdaddctAgreed. A Honda Passport TrailSport is likely more off-road capable than its drivers, despite being a crossover vehicle and not a real SUV.
Like them all, but first choice for me is the Jeep. Despite all the electronics, it still has a naturally aspirated V6. It’s got great power to weight ratio. A very nimble handling machine. Still available with a soft top.
The Rover did much better than I thought. I'm impressed!
Have you ever heard of land rover before? Did you expect a LAND ROVER to be a dog off road?
@@ihavealife002this is a defender not a Range Rover… it will do it
That’s a very good looking Bronco. Perfect proportions
The Jeep is by far the best looking vehicle. That being said it's we don't know which level trail rating it is but the highest level trail rating absolutely blows the competition out of the water.
Another advantage to the solid front axle on the Wrangler is fixed ground clearance. The lowest point, being the front differential, will never change. The minimum clearance with an independent suspension can decrease when the vehicle comes down off an obstacle.
If the rear locker on the Bronco comes on its meant to be used. Thats their plan
So what happens if you buy a base model without a rear locker. He's comparing to a base Jeep without lockers. Ford seems to really have inferior traction control to both the Jeep and the LR.
@@peterscott2662versions without the rear locker likely have different parameters designed into the electronic nannies.
Most people complain about traction control systems getting in the way in more difficult off road situations where you'd normally engage low range. I've seen them complain about this on @tfl before.
So Ford shuts them off when you put the Bronco in 4L. It's the equivalent of turning off stability and traction control systems in track mode with a performance car.
That test should have been done in 4H or 4Auto, and nothing else. That's what these traction control systems are designed for. And if Ford makes a rear locker an easily added option, use it. The fact it's difficult to add one on the Jeep is a factor to be considered in the comparison.
@@JamesPhieffer That seems like wishful thinking. It's a lot more likely that if you don't have lockers it does the exact same thing. Meaning Ford is just worse if you buy a base model without lockers. I have no problem with them defaulting to TC off when you turn on Low range, but you should have the option to turn TC back on. For me this flips the position of the vehicles from Bronco previously #1, now moving the Jeep up to #1.
@@peterscott2662 yeah it seems like they don't have great traction control that's right. But the real fun is when you compare the top levels of each the Jeep and the Broncos destroy that Land Rover LOL that Land Rover won't last it's a piece of s*** I own two Land Rovers that I love and they are the most reliable ones ever made but there's no reason Land Rover should have made it this way. I mean look they piss people off enough for the Grenadier to be developed haha
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 LR is too expensive for me to even dream about, LOL! I'm only interested of comparisons of Base Jeep/Bronco. Base Bronco is coming back for 2025, but now I find it kind of crippled in the TC which you kind of need if you don't have a locker.
In my opinion half of off roading is knowing how to work on/ upgrade your own stuff. Any used 90s/ early 2000s Jeep Wrangler or Cherokee, a small to moderate lift, a rear lunchbox locker like a spartan, and 33 - 35 inch tires are a wicked good combination that will get you through just about anything and on a budget. You'll also learn real quick that shiny paint and a hefty loan is the last thing you want on a trail. Buy something with faded paint and a little rust, throw some Monstaliner on it and call it a day.
The new stuff is awesome though and way better on the road. If you can afford it there's nothing wrong with going that route.
Tommy: Give me more intervention!
Bronco: Just use that locker that you paid for!
Especially when its telling you the system is off. People complain about the systems being off but the nannies still kick in. When it doesn't they complain still. 🤪
Because the point was to compare all three vehicles evenly and the others didnt have lockers. I for one liked that test.
@@johnnytorres277 do you take all jokes this seriously?
But then everyone would complain locker vs no locker 🤔
So apparently my joke came across as a joke to nobody but me, lol
Fine, serious discussion - obviously you needed to see what the Bronco's brake-based traction assistance programming would do against the other 2 vehicles. And I find the ability of the computer to use individual wheel brakes to force a spinning wheel to stop so you can drive power to the ones that have traction to be an awesome feature. It's an excellent way of eliminating the issues with open diffs without the added hardware and complexity of a mechanical locker.
But just like ABS and such these systems do rely on working wheel speed sensors. What if you're on the trail and a stick gets kicked up and rips a wheel speed sensor wire? I suspect the computer will just disable the brake-based traction system. Conversely, if you can engage a locker then you can guarantee that both wheels driven by it are going to turn regardless of traction. I know it's an unlikely scenario but it's certainly not outside of the realm of possibility. So yes, I do think actual lockers are better for true off-road vehicles. And I don't necessarily fault Ford for assuming the user isn't going to manually unlock the rear locker after the computer engaged it, based on the mode that the user selected.
Could you go wrong? They all really are great off-roaders. For me, at my age, I'm buying comfort. I would buy a 1 or 2 year old Defender. But that Bronco is nice too!
I would take the jeep over the others because it will be the most reliable and the easiest to work on plus the v6 in the jeep has been around forever and it is naturally aspirated compared to the other ones should have done the 3 wheel slip test on the jeep in 4 high to me the jeep is the best for the money
Yea, I like the V6, very solid motor. Only real issue is the plastic oil filter housing and the lifters. Every one I’ve had needed valve work done at 60K. Starts knocking like crazy. You can buy a metal aftermarket oil filter housing. Worth it if you’re keeping it long term. Same with all that plastic crap on the Bronco.
3 days ago traded in my 2 door 2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport for a 2020 4 door Sahara. Night and day difference. Never had an issue with any of my Jeeps and I've owned a lot of them. It really comes down to how you want to use them. From what I understand the Defender has some quality issues but that's the limit of my knowledge about that.
Awesome channel, great review.
My 06 rubicon with v6 gets me anywhere I need off road. My 07 f350 , 4x4 with V10 , 4” lift with 37’s tows anything and never gets stuck . Daily drive a 2022 gx460 very comfortable ride and very capable off road. Wife drives a Lexus rx 350 2022 3.5 v6 , very capable suv.
I’m not a fan of newer vehicles w 4 cylinder turbos. These older models can do anything the newer ones can do and are more reliable.
Can't talk crap on newer 4 cyl turbos if you don't even know what kind of engine your 06 wrangler has
If they are done well, the inline-04 turbos are a lot more reliable than a v6. Longitudinal inline 4 are very accessible with a hot and a cold side.
@@NMTDevastator it’s a 4.0 straight 6 . All jeep owners know that it’s the last year for the best engine ever made
@@KevinSmith-qi5yn show me a turbo 4 with 330k on it and no engine problems ever like my 4l V6
Superbly done, lots of fun, more videos like these, please, excellent work out to see where the rubber meets the road on these three off road vehicles.
I say Jeep is number one because of that solid front axle is fun reliable durable and useful off road, and it is the smallest and weighs the least/abundant aftermarket selection. Then the Bronco and lastly the LR
Reliable? 😂
yea.. solid axle.. it’s a robust piece of equipment and reliable. Are you not familiar with a beam axle ?
@@tammieandrzejczuk2573yes, reliable, but durable is a better way to describe it. I am brutal to my Jeeps by wheeling them on hard trails completely stock and I make them offroad tow at almost max towing capacity. In 24 years of ownership, my Jeeps have never left me stranded in the backcountry. That’s why I buy Jeeps. In terms of reliability, 10 years with a 4.0L (2000 TJ, 00-10) and 3.6L (2012, 11-21), no reliability issues on either long term Jeeps.
Adding a manual sway-bar disconnect solves the traction issue with the lower trim Broncos. It makes a HUGE difference in flex and makes it much more capable - even without a locker.
In the Bronco, “4 Auto” operates as an open center differential, while the base Bronco only comes with 4H and 4L modes. TFL should realize that comparing an open differential setup with a basic 4H/4L configuration isn’t an even comparison.
On top of that, the base Jeep and Defender in their test don’t even have a “4 Auto” option.
When the Bronco switched to 4H, the outcome was the same because it became the same test as the Jeep and Defender.
It isn’t an open center diff however because it’s still rear drive bias. The defender does not have 4A because it doesn’t need it. It’s always sending power to all four all the time
@@TFLoffroad yeah you are correct. It’s a rear drive unit with a clutch pack that sends power to the front wheels. There is no way to cut power to the rear wheels.
The Bronco clearly failed the three wheel slip tests compared to the Jeep and Land Rover. Whatever way Ford has it programmed, the Bronco failed to adequately use wheel speed sensors and brake actuation to send power to the single wheel having traction. I'm a Bronco owner but disappointed with the outcome. And having to play around with the GOAT mode dial, not liking that either. Give me 4-low with aggressive traction control that just works. And wow, just got to the trail comparison segment of the video, not good Ford.
Nice comparison. Super happy with my jeep, but not going to lie…that defender is super pretty and the broncos look is really slick. With any of the 3, I think I’d be a happy owner. 😊
Trips to the nail salon: Defender
Trips to the campground: Bronco
Trips for actual off roading: Jeep
I'd say so
This is a great example of why I don't really like modes. In the end they seem to add more complexity than benefit. It's hard to beat the tried and tested locker or even just an LSD. If you're not moving or think you're about to hit an obstacle that warrants it, engage the locker. Done. The Jeep's system was pretty impressive and straight forward, I'll give them that.
We'd all like to daily the Defender but which one of us would pay $65,000 for that little box. Prices are out of control. Even the Ford is too expensive. TT&L = $60,000 for a Bronco and not even the top model. Stupid crazy. Great video.
One thing not mentioned was the maintenance cost of the defender and reliability. I surely don’t want the repair bills from the Range Rover dealership. 😮
@@cv2010u I guarantee that Bronco wouldn't be cheap to fix either.
You're also getting an objectively more comprehensive vehicle with the defender though. Better interior quality, more tech, more seats, more towing then the 2 combined, night and day difference in ride quality and daily drive ability.
@@cracjback well you help yourself to one.
Honestly, I am pretty sure I owned that SAME jumper in 1974 when I lived in New Jersey. Same colours and everything. I was 6 yrs old, so I am not saying it is MY jumper; just found it funny to see it again on an adult. Anyway - thanks for your content.
Sorry Jumper = Coat.
It is funny how people totally forget about just how good the Land Rover system is. Literally every single company that makes a 4x4, has tried to copy it. Only downside is that it isn’t the most intuitive thing ever made, you need to know how to use it.
But if you know what modes to use and when and how, an open diff Land Rover will go places you usually need front and rear lockers for in anything else. It’s bananas.
I liked this comparison. Apples to Apples is the best way to compare
Whatever happened to andre’s pit? These 3 might not be suited for it but haven’t seen anything else through it in a long time 🤔😳
Too hard?
We’ve been using it! It was in the last vid with the Range Rover
@@TFLoffroad I must have missed it! Sorry - I’ll go back and look 👍🏽😉
Think they meant the fish pond course, which has barely been used except for some sxs videos
A solid axle's main off-roading advantage is that it can articulate while maintaining ground clearance; lifting a wheel lifts the differential pumpkin, and the vehicle cannot physically lower itself lower than the solid axle (unless it's really damaged).
An independent suspension can have great articulation, but it's almost always a trade-off with ground clearance; when the suspension compresses, especially on bounce and rebound, the vehicle actually loses ground clearance - even the Humvee is not immune to this. On the other hand, you can pump your air suspension full and ride on the tallest settings, but that comes at the cost of articulation - on this mode, you're more likely to have a tire in the air.
There are ways around this. Land Rover IIRC had a system that would transfer air from one corner of the vehicle to another, simulating the solid axle's ability to push a wheel down when the other is lifted, tho IIRC these were, in typical LR, not reliable.
Jeep themselves had an independent suspension wrangler prototype from way back, called Lil' Blue, that had a floating differential that would be mechanically lifted and rotated if one of the wheels where lifted, but it was deemed too costly and complex to put in production.
The irony is that Ford had an answer to this, in the Twin I-Beam / Twin Traction Beam suspension of old Ford trucks and old Broncos. It had its own problems, such as camber issues, but further development of the suspension could have fixed these.
When I hit the trails, I want as much off-road capability as possible, I wouldn't compromise that for a bit more comfort on the road. Jeep all the way.
Really great video! Kudos to the whole crew. Like many others have mentioned, I can't help but remember the First Edition Bronco you did those same tests with and how much better it did. I have a Base Sasquatch and I would say mine performs more like the 2 door you tested today so I would say the Sasquatch package itself doesn't improve the traction control abilities. The lockers are game changers but my 2020 Jeep seemed to have a far advanced traction control system than my Bronco. I would say the Jeep with just traction control is pretty impressive, the Bronco needs at least 1 locker to keep up. The traction control on the Defender is next level. Super impressive! I love my Bronco but I'll wait a few years for depreciation to rear it's ugly head and see if I can find a clean Defender at a good price.....and hopefully not have to work on it constantly!
The Wrangler definitely ate that Bronco for dinner on that off road course
Even the LR did. Fords Traction Control software is terrible.
@@knifetoucher only because he turned off the lockers. 4L Ford turns off the traction control and relies on that locker. Different approach.
@@crawdaddct Yea but the wrangler didn't even have lockers included and did it, that's why it blew it out of the water
@@knifetoucher yeah machines don’t work if you disable their features and don’t use them as designed. Did you notice how the bronco performed perfectly when he just put it in mud and ruts and drove it?
That bronco has a locker, that jeep doesn’t, anyone with any off-road experience at all will tell you which of those two vehicles is more capable.
@@Papershields001 Yeah, guess just have to pay 10k over the Wrangler with features to have it working up to Wrangler par, cool.
Fun watch. Thanks! I'm legit surprised by the positive comments about the Bronco from Tommy. Each vehicle has its market, I think. Jeep/Bronco have the closest crossover, I'd say. The Defender still strikes me as an option for a different type of person - someone who was driving a luxury car and wanted to get something more off-roady. I own a 2021 2-door Badlands and I absolutely love it. But I did consider and price out a Wrangler back in 2021 when it was questionable if a Bronco was even a possibility.
I love my Defender 110.
I love mine as well. It does everything so well, it just amazes me.
I think my fifth generation 4Runner is the best all around vehicle
I'd go Bronco if I could get a normal V6.
I keep my vehicles a long time; don't need the added problems of the ecoboost turbo to have to fix.
Buy a classic Bronco, problem solved.
There are ecoboost owners with over 200K miles on the engine without repairs to the turbo. Tech has changed but mindsets seem to take longer.
Turbos are cheap
@@TheCdnLibertarianit's not even a debate in my mind.
Literally everyone I know who's bought an ecoboost product locally has cursed them out. Turbo issues, timing chain issues on the twin turbo v6's.
Guy I know in Kelowna bought a Ford Ranger with the ecoboost 4, religious about services, takes care his ride, drives like a Grandpa. Sounds like a badly maintained diesel now at 120,000 km's, and Ford told him he needs a new engine, for $10,000....
Or a new truck! 😃.
I dont listen to internet yapping much; I go by what I see, hear, and experience. I wouldn't touch an ecoboost ride with a ten foot pole.
@@GeneralLeeVanderwood is the one guy you know the extent of the people you know with an Ecoboost? Seems odd to base an entire perception on such anecdotes. Are you sure this guy was religious about maintenance? Even remotely possible that the one experience is not indicative of the larger picture?
You mention knowing about others you know having issues and cursing out their Ecoboost engines, specifically the V6. What have they told you about their direct experiences since it sounds like you do not listen to internet yapping (which is primarily where all the FUD comes from)?
From all three, Wrangler and Bronco are truly off roaders, I would pick the Jeep, simply because it's simpler and has less electronics that translates to less problems or electrical gremlins in the future.
The bronco drives worlds better than jeeps in my opinion
Except when it is stuck an the Jeep isn’t😂
Independent front suspension will do that
IFS is better in most scenarios off road except extreme articulation. Mud, snow, sand, hill climbing or high speed stuff. Rock crawling sure, everything else no. The front diff pushes into the deep stuff
I think the best is still the Defender. How often does someone offroad a suv unless one lives at a rural area.
You can bring the defender off road and also valet it at a five stars hotel or at a michlien star resturant which dosnt look out of place.
u can do the same with a bronco especially a raptor. defenders are nice but focus more on luxury and mock off road capability lol
@@purpytwinzo4290 it would look silly if you bring it on a classy area. A lady on high heels in formal dress would be ashamed and wouldn’t ride that thing. Guess which vehicle will that lady pick if somebody will offer them a ride? It would be the Rover
i like Case, he seems pretty sensible...great for TFL channel.