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If you want unbiased reviews, this is the channel to go to. Awesome video Alexander, it clearly shows you appreciate the watches and not the hype. Zenith for me, stunning watch.
I swear Alexander is God status when reviewing watches unbiased! I love how he does not agree with paying gray market prices, I respect that. Thank you Alexander for your awesome videos.
I've been wearing my Zenith Defy Skyline for five months now and I'm crazy in love with it. My Daily is the Explorer, but as soon as I put the Zenith back on my wrist, it's just... Wow! The feeling it gives on the wrist is incredible! I love this manufacture, it is a brand intended for enthusiasts - connoisseurs.
The only thing that would have made the Zenith perfect to me is, they should have added the traditional 60s hand also. The 10s and 60s hands moving would look very cool, and be more practical, and further show the complexity of that el primero movement. Having said that, I still purchased the Defy. I do wish more knew the RO copied the Defy...
The AP is wildly over priced on the secondary market any way you look at it, and borderline for me at MSRP. The Zenith is one of the most underrated watches that exist. I have the Zenith Defy Skyline and it's top tier quality for a fair price for such quality. I hope Zeneth remains underappreciated as it keeps the prices down!
@@WatchAdvisor PS, I appreciate that you pointed out who did an "homage" to who there as Zenith had their watch several years before AP. Annoying when people say Zenith "copied" AP. Nope...
Hallo Alex schöner Vergleich der beiden Uhren. Für den Grau-Preis der AP kaufe ich mir einen gebrauchten 911er und die Zenith dazu da hab ich noch mehr Spaß.....
I have had the worst AP experience ever. I wanted AP watch, went to the boutique, ordered one (they had literarly 0 watches to sell in boutique), payed 30 000 upfront and was promised my watch in 3-4 months. 10 months later I still did not get the watch, every employee I spoke to (phone or in person) was acting arogant and with no interest when I asked (not complained) about the delay. Had to get lawyers involved, because when I requested money back after 10 months they refused. Long story short, I was walking the same street as the AP in Prague has its boutique and I got myself Breitling Superocean, Zenith Defy, and Rolex Daytona for less, than AP I wanted. Never going to AP ever again.
That’s so funny you practically bought my entire collection 😂I have breitling, zenith and Rolex (superocean, defy extreme, datejust) just with different models
I’m proud owner of the Skyline and can confirm the high quality, features like the 10 second hand, additional rubber bracelet or dial. Of course the AP snobs are unhappy to see such a great brand as Zenith offering high quality products for a fair price and (on very top) a better availability than AP. So why should i care about AP RO if i don’t want to spend 3x more and basically can not get it?
I like this guys videos, his English is not mother tongue but it’s very clear, laid back, fully comprehensive, and excellently communicated. The man even tells you that the gunmetal colour stylus pointer he uses to indicate details is plastic so harmless to the watch metal 😂
zwei tolle Uhren mit langer Historie vom Modell und von der Manufaktur. Der Vorteil der Zenith ist der Preis ohne Hype und damit erschwinglicher. Sehr schönes Video um die beiden Uhren zu vergleichen 😊👍🏻👍🏻
Danke für Dein nettes Feedback! Dieser künstlich geschaffene Hype rund um AP nervt. Jeder der so ein Teil zu einem überhöhten Preis kauft unterstützt diese gierigen und skrupellosen Graumarkthändler und die ganze Maschinerie die dahinter steckt …
''AP fan boys''...i love it🤣 I am not an AP fan boy, nor Zenith fan boy....i'm Omega and H.Moser fan boy😬 So i can (from neutral point of view) say that Zenith made a fantastic job with this watch! So good that i am considering to buy it. AP Royal Oak is legendary watch and it's great, but i don't see that this Zenith Defy Skyline is a lesser watch in any regard except the finishing on the movement and gold rotor.
For me, watch decisions are emotional (and sometimes irrational). I think the finishing in the royal oak justifies the retail price but I will pick zenith mainly because of the fun 10 second sub dial which makes it more interesting.
If rappers never rapped about wearing an AP people would probably look at it and say, Meh. The dial is fairly basic IMO. The Zenith is the smart buy if you dont care about flexing or signalling your wealth to people. Objectively there's a better finish to the AP but is it worth 3X more. No way. Id buy the VC Overseas every day of the week and you get over 260yrs of pedigree with that purchase. It a no brainer. Be good to see an AP v Overseas comparison. Great video.
I"ve owned both of these watches (15400 RO and Black Zenith Skyline) and the RO is unquestionably the better watch. The finishing on the case and dial, and movement decoration alone make it a better watch. However, given current prices, the marginal gains you get from the RO aren't worth the inflated prices. Plus, I think the Zenith seconds hand (although admittedly useless) is a pretty cool element that gives the Zenith its own unique twist on the overall Genta-esque design.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and our passion! Unfortunately AP - and some other brands - have been and still are artificially hyped. That reduces these watches to pure speculation objects. Watchmaking/beauty/craftmanship/etc. has no more meaning, it is all about filthy lucre... What a shame!!!
@@trcs3079 It can’t be five times better though… AP is artificially hyped, shortages are created and many watches directly go to the parallel-market to be sold there for an overprice. In four words: it is greedy business! At regular, official prices the difference in between the two watches can be argued, but not these fantasy prices…. No way!
@@trcs3079 You would think but so many watches live off hype with AP being amongst them. Hands down Richard Mille takes the crown for artificial BS hype!
The watch in the video is the 15500. I owned the 15400 as well and let's just say reliability was not a top priority for AP in designing the 3120 movement - I tell people to buy a Rolex also that you can wear while your AP is getting serviced. 😂😂
@Prof. George C. Grasser I doubt that. Your really comparing a Glycine to a Royal oak and a Zenith. There's a reason there is a massive difference in the prices. No one can be that delusional. Comparing $400 watches to titans in the watch industry. What's next comparing a Patek Philippe to a Orient
Great comparison. For me I just think Zenith have taken a truly iconic watch and design and made it better. But as you say, it is all subjective. I will definitely be looking to add the Zenith to the collection at some point 👌
Zenith created a steel sport watch in 1969, three years earlier than AP… the design evolved since and will continue to do so… Thanks 🙏🏻 for your kind feedback!
Zenith created a steel sport watch in 1969, three years earlier than AP… the design evolved since and will continue to do so… Thanks 🙏🏻 for your kind feedback!
honestly, if i knew nothing about watches and was told that Zenith is $30k and AP is $8k, I wouldn't dispute it. But I guess it goes for a lots of other brands comparing
Of course there are differences... but a lot is also positioning and marketing... Do not forget we are talking about luxury objects ... for the latter other rules apply...
I am picking up a brand new unworn defy, with the blue dial tomorrow from a private seller here in Dubai for a very very good price. I found this review just to be sure I'm buying a quality timepiece. Thank you for the breakdown it's super in depth and helpful. You absolutely sold me on my decision . The defy is absolutely gorgeous, the 10 second counter is still something of a anomaly to me but I guess that's a feature that makes this a very special piece.
Check out the skeleton version. The 10 second dial very much blends into the movement architecture and is also centrally placed to make it stand out less.
Hi Alexander, Great Video as always - AP I cannot afford at all, just dreaming. With Zenith it should be for me first the El Primero with the Chrono in Orginal size of 38 mm - the history of Charles Vermot saving the tools, dials and design drawings of the El Primero Caliber in the seventies is so wonderful and thrilling - history at the wirst. But first saving money - quite difficult nowadays. I am enjoying the Tissot PRX Powermatic 80, blue dial - just some 650 Euros and terrific looking like the ones you are presenting here. And also Swiss Made - so, Bravo Tissot!
Dear Alexander, again what a nice and interesting review. I would clearly go with the Zenith as for me it is never only worth one third of the AP`s price....not considering what is going on in the grey market. Danke Dir und noch einen schönen Tag !
Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback! Good choice! The AP on the grey market is clearly overpriced… only a complete idiot will buy it for these prices…
The AP is obviously a quality watch, beautiful movement, but the design looks old, out of style. The short hands also drives me crazy. I just don’t like the watch. I actually like the Zenith better.
Seems to be a lot of people commenting who don't seem to have watched the actual video or huge AP fans who can't acknowledge that the AP seems to have been influenced by the earlier Zenith.
The ability to influence people without irritating them is the most profitable skill you can learn. He who influences the thought of his times, influences all the times that follow. He has made his impress on eternity.
Alexander, firstly, thank you so much for time and effort on these presentations. You are one of the best timepiece channels out there by far! I actually just picked up a blue dial 15300. I have yet to receive it and hope it is everything I imagine it to be. The Zenith Defy line is amazing! I may pick up the opaline dial with the green rubber strap. Thanks again!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us! Thanks for the amazing feedback! Good choices… How long do you have to wait for it? Please keep us posted…
I just would mention (as an owner of several AP RO with the last mechs) - they are not as durable and precise, as EL Primero. And they are still very easily influenced by the magnetic fields. You wouldn’t feel that so much in Zenith or VC (which is officially antimagnetic) and even in Patek. And for me it is a big sadness, as I like RO a lot, have models from the past and now. The new Chronograph is even worse - I have offshore and RO 50 years on thet caliber and both were sent to the manufacture for warranty repair. Pity. But, still, when I am looking on RO and in details - it makes me much happier, then any Zenith could. Especially if you like to watch the watch from the back, to “meditate” watching the caliber - new AP is one of the finest ever.
Thanks so much for the detailed comparison and setting this particular historical record straight ;) Both watches have fantastic features and I’m glad this look of defy is made larger now, I’ll have to give it a try. Were you able to compare accuracy at all? I remember the zenith ran +1-5s. With so much debate and criticism of modern APs timekeeping I’ve all but written them off ad overpriced objects d’art but I’d love to stand corrected here. Perhaps this is covered elsewhere? Tx
AP is so boring and outdated technically speaking 😂 sorry AP FanBoys! Zenith is a great alternative 3 hands piece. Thank you Alexander for such a perfect comparison. Looking to see in person the Defy Skiline in 41 and 36 mm
Great video, as always. I just tried on an AP, and to tell you the truth, I was not impressed with the watch's comfort level, but I have to say the exquisite finishing of the watch is impressive. I really think the majority of the people wearing AP are for the status. It will be interesting to see if these watches were really available in the AD how popular they really will be. After been wearing my Rolex watches, I have fallen in love again with my Omega 2255.80 Seamaster; what a fantastic design, and that blue electric dial are mesmerizing. One piece of advice to all the new people of this hobby, buy what you like and don't follow the media trend. When are you reviewing the new line of Panerai Quaranta? With all this craziness in some watch brands, I decided to pay attention to other brands. Take care.
Interesting read! Thanks for sharing… It is very true what you write… interesting, very interesting indeed… I can feel your passion… this is how it should be… buy/collect emotional and not rational…
Both nice watches Alex but in the current market prices the Zenith is the more logical watch to buy. AP, Patek, Rolex and Richard Mille are overpriced and not worth the money. At retail prices maybe but since you cant buy them at retail, Zenith is the way to go.
Great insight on both timepieces!!! Thank you. Obviously if available at retail I’ll take the AP Royal Oak. However, a Zenith is bang per buck for what it offers. The AP movement is beautifully decorated yes, but it will be expensive to service. You can’t wear an AP as a daily beater. The Zenith movement has a basic finishing, but the movement is robust and accurate. Zenith’s strength is in its movements. Enthusiasts buy Zenith for the reliability history heritage. It’s a watch for watch nerds that know Horology. The Royal Oak is for a well to do sporty guy that likes a high end sports watch when he doesn’t want to wear his Patek Philippe watches. It’s a haute Horology weekend watch. It’s perfect for a Monaco lifestyle. To be honest I would take both in a black dial if it didn’t have a date…. and if I had the money for both. For now I’m ok with my Rolex Explorer 36mm Speedy Pro, & JLC Reverso mono face large small seconds. My perfect 3 piece combo meal deal.
Thanks for sharing our passion! Interesting read… “It’s perfect for a Monaco lifestyle” 🤣👍🏻😆 May your JLC, Omega and Rolex (in alphabetical order) always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours…
Alexander you are the best reviewer of watches in youtube… thank you for your effort and cant wait for next video. may i suggest 2 watches for Future Reviews: 1- Grand Seiko SLGA007 (some say it rivals patek phillipe in terms of finishing and mechanism) 2- Hublot Big Bang Unico (Is the hate really justified for such brand!?) Regards
Zenith has an unbalanced dial. There’s too much weight on the left and emptiness on the right. I can’t bear to watch the fast ticking 10 second sub register every time I look at the watch.
I must agree with your assessment Alexander that the current lack of availability at dealers and the gray market pricing is absolutely ridiculous ! While I do not pretend to know the intricacies of the present situation, paying other than retail pricing for a mass production time piece is not an option for a working man like myself. I do hope that AP and Rolex get their house in order and their dealers in line for the sake of their own integrity if for nothing else. The Zenith is a beautiful time piece and at 1/10 the price of an AP-RO, one would be hard pressed to find greater value. Thank you for the review Alexander as always !
Audemars Piguet has a fascinating history and is a great brand - yes! But since it go so hyped at least for me it got less interesting… What I especially hate that no watches are available in a boutique, but all of them for absolutely crazy prices on the grey/parallel market… everybody knows that this is artificial created, greedy business…
@@David-io8xi I fully agree! I gifted me the Zenith Skyline with the blue dial last Christmas … IMHO it is impossible to wear a RO today without provoking and attracting jealous and nasty looks… the same applies for certain Rolex models too by the way…
@@tynchytemper9618 yes you can, Speedmaster Pro is 50m and is perfectly capable of being worn while swimming. Whoever has ever said different is giving you bad information
@@WatchAdvisorvalue for money is Longines in my view. Zenith is tier 1 watch and I would not say it is worse than AP regardless of price tag. I dont even want to say anything about secondary market for AP. Anyway thanks for posting such great videos. Cheers
That particular small second indication makes the difference! You will have to wear the Zenith for a while to start loving it. I did and it happened to me. What exactly do you mean with? ... "AP destroys all luxury and haute horology watches ever made!" ... Can you specify?
Thank you! No one should buy a watch for these silly overprices… Every watch has an official list price and this is what you pay… the rest is artificial created, greedy business… just disgusting!
Zenith all the day. The original, even before Gerald Genta. I don't care marketing who makes look Rolex and AP as the best brands ever (LOL), i look at the heritage. And Zenith wins. I also don't think the different finish on the case back is a matter of cost containment. Rather, it is a choice in line with the style of the watch, which is not a dress watch or a classic watch, so in my opinion the Defy with the exposed movement finished in a technical-industrial style goes better with the watch itself.
If you are wearing a watch purely for status, Zenith can't compete with AP. But for the rest of us, this is a great detailed comparison of two beautiful watches.
@@WatchAdvisor the zenith all day every day - I tend to dislike hype pieces, and the asking rate of a Royal Oak I’d MUCH rather have a Lange 1815 flyback chronograph or a Lang & Heyne Georg. I also like the fact that the original defy predated the Royal Oak, the Nautilus, and all the other Gents inspired sports watches
I really appreciate and enjoy your review. In my opinion, the Skyline is the best integrated bracket in its category, and there are at least 26 different type of such integrated bracelet watches across all price categories. If the AP Royal Oak is the benchmark, then Zenith Skyline can offer its owner 90%-95% of the satisfaction and enjoyment, without being subjected to the law of diminishing returns. If someone has to pay 100k to achieve the 100%, then he/she clearly has different priorities in life. No doubt, at retail price, anyone here would buy the AP if available to him/her. Life is too short to only wait for "perfection". And speaking of "perfection ", I noticed that the screws at the case back of the AP does not line up like those on its bezel. Lastly, the date change at 12 is something I appreciate very much too. Cheers Alexander, and looking forward to your next review.
Alexander both watches are interesting but the AP is not a watch I would wear the price is too high. The Zenith is more appealing as it offers either straps, bracelet and possibly a NATO (?). The Omega Constilation blue 41 mm you reviewed previously would also be considered.😃 When the waters subside .
If I had a Holy Trinity wallet, I would likely go with an Overseas or 222 over a Royal Oak. Coming back down to earth, I find this Zenith cleaner and better proportioned than the AP featured. Sometimes less is more and while it has less going on aesthetically, it’s a good looking clean watch. I would think anyone considering the new IWC Ingenieur would do themselves a favor by looking through this collection from Zenith. I’m a bit biased by owning an A385, but Zenith really did a nice job here.
Great review! I’m not sure if i missed it but did you talk about the dial color? Zenith did it much better in my opinion. Even the over all dial esthetic on the Defy is better. Also i love how the Zenith wears on your wrist! At least you could actually buy it at retail!
Zenith hat in den letzten Jahren vieles richtig gemacht. Und die neue Skyline finde ich mal richtig gelungen. Vor allem am Kautschukband gefällt Sie mir richtig gut.
While the prestige is with AP for sure and I’m a fan of the Royal Oak. I think the zenith is a better looking watch. It seems proportionately better and I think the bracelet is nicer.
Contradictory messages here _ in the end you say about the AP that everything is a bit better than what the Zenith offers but when reviewing the bracelet you clearly stated that the Zenith bracelet was better , and that the Zenith wears much smoother ! Anyway - the price for the AP is stupid , to be honest, not at all justified. Not even the list price , not talking about rich people paying moon-prices ! Those people are spoiling the market for every normal watch enthusiast - it is what it is... BTW - Zenith has another great offer with the Defy , which is cheaper than the Defy Skyline, but seems to be discontinued by now. Another quite good alternative for the normal people ( like me I guess ) in this category would be the Wempe Ironwalker !
Absolutely agree on the seconds, minute and hour hands. They have to touch the markers. Especially the seconds hand, nothing is worse than a short seconds hands. Also, a 50m water resistance for a watch at this price and this category is unacceptable, should be at least 100m.
Another great video! Objective, balanced and free of bias. And I definitely agree with your comment… I would the AP if offered at a boutique but would never insane gray market prices. I would rather buy the Zenith and spend the difference on something else!
Thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing your thoughts with us and your kind feedback. Buying any of these artificially hyped watches and therewith supporting this greedy business is stupid… just don’t do it! Every watch has an official list price and this is what one has to pay…
@@WatchAdvisor Will you be able to do a review on it? I know it's a very exclusive watch, but I'm someone with your connections could your hands on one.
Thanks for all the details and the objective clear review. Very much appreciated. Would be great to see the GP laureato (which has 100% the Zenith bracelet) and the Chopard Alpine Eagle. Thanks, Alexander. Strong video.
Thanks for sharing our passion! If you provide me all of them the same time I will do that review… the most difficult thing for us is to allocate the watches and get them for a review…
Zenith rullzzz,..... Audemars Piguet is a 'gamble' brand (in my opinion...) i really have no idea what "they are doing" on the podium together with Patek and Vacheron... this fact it is a mystery for me ... God!!!
I wouldn’t call it a gamble brand… but AP got in the hands of the same greedy guys that organize all this artificial created, disgusting business around Rolex watches.
@@WatchAdvisor My opinion about AP is that they knew how to manufacture "gamble prices"... i heard they ask for a stainless steel watch more than its version in gold, put high prices for their watches 'just in case', to resemble some luxury goods, even though they were not fair, and many other adventures... JLC in my opinion has the rightful third spot on the podium, instead of this AP.
@@andreizamfira I don’t know if you’re being serious.. but AP overtook PP as the 4th largest brand in terms of market share despite their small output. This shows how powerful the brand is. BTW the holy trinity term is redundant and isn’t very relevant anymore. VC isn’t as powerful as they used to be in the past, and the overseas isn’t as nearly as desirable as the RO. Today we’ve the 4 horsemen, Rolex PP AP and RM, which is more in line with reality.
@@WatchAdvisor hi. I bought the Zenith A386 manufacture revival (your review helped), and then a JLC Polaris Mariner Date. Both beautiful watches from terrific brands.
Tough choice between the two, but the AP swings it for me-just! Love the colour of the Zenith dial and would happily part with cash if it wasn’t for that damned annoying seconds hand
First time viewer. Very good introduction to both watches. I really like your view on the minute and hour hands. Like to hear more on things that impress you from an expert viewpoint. Thank you.
@@WatchAdvisor I've seen the 41mm on you and others. With all due respect it doesn't fit you or most others well. I think 37mm would fit you perfectly as it's more age appropriate.
I tried on the defy skyline and was quite impressed overall. The problem for a poor man like me is that I probably could only afford one Zenith and it seems more appropriate to buy a one with a chronograph function given how iconic its chronograph is….
Please don’t say “poor man”! What is rich or poor? You are emotional and passionate that is what counts!! Choose wisely, watch our other Zenith videos and let me know if you have any questions…
@@WatchAdvisor If anyone can do it, it's you Alex! You have the only videos on the Zenith Defy Skyline Chrono from W&W this year. Remarkably so little talk and buzz about it. Chrono is where Zenith really hits above class and they finally unleashed their best asset the el primero in its full capacity in the Defy skyline lineup. The 10 sec function makes a lot more sense in the true chrono format and is visually much more stunning in the larger sweep. Perhaps they addressed some of your critiques from this video regarding showcasing the movement better?
I hope Zenith takes the next step with the Defy in 2023 and make a two tone gold Defy! If they do, I hope, if they do, don't do a plated or covered link but a solid gold link version! Do it right!
Are you saying that their catalog of watches that are gold or two tones are no solid linked, like the Chronomasters? Rolex can do it, I believe Oris just out a solid gold bezeled diver with their new 400 movement. I'm confused...
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Great video, as always, Alexander. I have a question for you. Do you know when Zenith will release the chronograph version of the Skyline?
@@horacephistbump I have no confirmation for this right now, but I am sure a Skyline chronograph will follow…
If you want unbiased reviews, this is the channel to go to. Awesome video Alexander, it clearly shows you appreciate the watches and not the hype. Zenith for me, stunning watch.
Love your comment! I feel flattered… Thank you very much!!!
I swear Alexander is God status when reviewing watches unbiased! I love how he does not agree with paying gray market prices, I respect that. Thank you Alexander for your awesome videos.
Love your comment! Thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing !
Zenith is definitely the way to go if you are watch fan, AP is nice as show off but not worth the stress (money/wait). Thx for vid!!!
I hear and fully understand you! Thanks for sharing…
I've been wearing my Zenith Defy Skyline for five months now and I'm crazy in love with it. My Daily is the Explorer, but as soon as I put the Zenith back on my wrist, it's just... Wow! The feeling it gives on the wrist is incredible! I love this manufacture, it is a brand intended for enthusiasts - connoisseurs.
Thanks for sharing! May your watches continue to always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours…
The only thing that would have made the Zenith perfect to me is, they should have added the traditional 60s hand also. The 10s and 60s hands moving would look very cool, and be more practical, and further show the complexity of that el primero movement. Having said that, I still purchased the Defy. I do wish more knew the RO copied the Defy...
The AP is wildly over priced on the secondary market any way you look at it, and borderline for me at MSRP. The Zenith is one of the most underrated watches that exist. I have the Zenith Defy Skyline and it's top tier quality for a fair price for such quality. I hope Zeneth remains underappreciated as it keeps the prices down!
Love your comment, I couldn’t agree more… thanks for sharing…
@@WatchAdvisor PS, I appreciate that you pointed out who did an "homage" to who there as Zenith had their watch several years before AP. Annoying when people say Zenith "copied" AP. Nope...
Hallo Alex schöner Vergleich der beiden Uhren. Für den Grau-Preis der AP kaufe ich mir einen gebrauchten 911er und die Zenith dazu da hab ich noch mehr Spaß.....
Hahaha 😝 … der ist gut! Bravo 🙌🏻! Danke für Dein Feedback!
I have had the worst AP experience ever. I wanted AP watch, went to the boutique, ordered one (they had literarly 0 watches to sell in boutique), payed 30 000 upfront and was promised my watch in 3-4 months. 10 months later I still did not get the watch, every employee I spoke to (phone or in person) was acting arogant and with no interest when I asked (not complained) about the delay. Had to get lawyers involved, because when I requested money back after 10 months they refused. Long story short, I was walking the same street as the AP in Prague has its boutique and I got myself Breitling Superocean, Zenith Defy, and Rolex Daytona for less, than AP I wanted. Never going to AP ever again.
Well, I have no words... Thanks for sharing! Pride goes before a fall! How stupid and foolish is this kind of behaviour?
I called an AP boutique and they had such an arrogant and snobby attitude.
@@andyvu8513 You are not the first one to state this! Just stay relaxed and enjoy other watches …
To be fair, my enquirer email was responded with no hint of arrogance from AP Boutique LA and I am not a local.
That’s so funny you practically bought my entire collection 😂I have breitling, zenith and Rolex (superocean, defy extreme, datejust) just with different models
I absolutely love your videos. I think the Zenith is the perfect watch for me. I love everything about it. Great value for the money.
Thanks for sharing our passion! Did you try it already? If not... you should... Please keep us posted!
I’m proud owner of the Skyline and can confirm the high quality, features like the 10 second hand, additional rubber bracelet or dial. Of course the AP snobs are unhappy to see such a great brand as Zenith offering high quality products for a fair price and (on very top) a better availability than AP. So why should i care about AP RO if i don’t want to spend 3x more and basically can not get it?
Thanks for sharing our passion and your thoughts with us!
I like this guys videos, his English is not mother tongue but it’s very clear, laid back, fully comprehensive, and excellently communicated. The man even tells you that the gunmetal colour stylus pointer he uses to indicate details is plastic so harmless to the watch metal 😂
Thanks for sharing our passion and your super kind feedback! Happy New Year 🎆!
zwei tolle Uhren mit langer Historie vom Modell und von der Manufaktur. Der Vorteil der Zenith ist der Preis ohne Hype und damit erschwinglicher.
Sehr schönes Video um die beiden Uhren zu vergleichen 😊👍🏻👍🏻
Danke für Dein nettes Feedback! Dieser künstlich geschaffene Hype rund um AP nervt. Jeder der so ein Teil zu einem überhöhten Preis kauft unterstützt diese gierigen und skrupellosen Graumarkthändler und die ganze Maschinerie die dahinter steckt …
''AP fan boys''...i love it🤣 I am not an AP fan boy, nor Zenith fan boy....i'm Omega and H.Moser fan boy😬 So i can (from neutral point of view) say that Zenith made a fantastic job with this watch! So good that i am considering to buy it. AP Royal Oak is legendary watch and it's great, but i don't see that this Zenith Defy Skyline is a lesser watch in any regard except the finishing on the movement and gold rotor.
Thanks for sharing your passion and thoughts with us! Please keep us posted….
Wie immer grandios! Uhren perfekt in Szene gesetzt.👍
Danke fürs nette Feedback! 🙌🏻
For me, watch decisions are emotional (and sometimes irrational). I think the finishing in the royal oak justifies the retail price but I will pick zenith mainly because of the fun 10 second sub dial which makes it more interesting.
Buying a watch should always be driven by emotions and never by ratio… BRAVO! Thanks for sharing our passion!
If rappers never rapped about wearing an AP people would probably look at it and say, Meh. The dial is fairly basic IMO.
The Zenith is the smart buy if you dont care about flexing or signalling your wealth to people.
Objectively there's a better finish to the AP but is it worth 3X more. No way.
Id buy the VC Overseas every day of the week and you get over 260yrs of pedigree with that purchase. It a no brainer.
Be good to see an AP v Overseas comparison.
Great video.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us! Thanks for the kind feedback!
I"ve owned both of these watches (15400 RO and Black Zenith Skyline) and the RO is unquestionably the better watch. The finishing on the case and dial, and movement decoration alone make it a better watch. However, given current prices, the marginal gains you get from the RO aren't worth the inflated prices. Plus, I think the Zenith seconds hand (although admittedly useless) is a pretty cool element that gives the Zenith its own unique twist on the overall Genta-esque design.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and our passion! Unfortunately AP - and some other brands - have been and still are artificially hyped. That reduces these watches to pure speculation objects. Watchmaking/beauty/craftmanship/etc. has no more meaning, it is all about filthy lucre... What a shame!!!
AP starting at 50k+ vs a zenith worth 10k. I'd imagine with a watch that's 5 times the value, I hope it IS better than the zenith haha
@@trcs3079 It can’t be five times better though… AP is artificially hyped, shortages are created and many watches directly go to the parallel-market to be sold there for an overprice. In four words: it is greedy business! At regular, official prices the difference in between the two watches can be argued, but not these fantasy prices…. No way!
@@trcs3079 You would think but so many watches live off hype with AP being amongst them. Hands down Richard Mille takes the crown for artificial BS hype!
The watch in the video is the 15500. I owned the 15400 as well and let's just say reliability was not a top priority for AP in designing the 3120 movement - I tell people to buy a Rolex also that you can wear while your AP is getting serviced. 😂😂
As much as I love RO(never understood why), the new prices and time delivery make the Zenith a best buy for its price. Nice comparison. Thank you
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us!
The Zenith hectic seconds hand would make me too nervous.
@Prof. George C. Grasser I doubt that. Your really comparing a Glycine to a Royal oak and a Zenith. There's a reason there is a massive difference in the prices. No one can be that delusional. Comparing $400 watches to titans in the watch industry. What's next comparing a Patek Philippe to a Orient
I do feel the same, that seconds hand is making the watch so busy 😅
I will stick with Zenith Skyline!
Good choice 👍🏼
Great comparison. For me I just think Zenith have taken a truly iconic watch and design and made it better. But as you say, it is all subjective. I will definitely be looking to add the Zenith to the collection at some point 👌
Zenith created a steel sport watch in 1969, three years earlier than AP… the design evolved since and will continue to do so… Thanks 🙏🏻 for your kind feedback!
Zenith created a steel sport watch in 1969, three years earlier than AP… the design evolved since and will continue to do so… Thanks 🙏🏻 for your kind feedback!
honestly, if i knew nothing about watches and was told that Zenith is $30k and AP is $8k, I wouldn't dispute it. But I guess it goes for a lots of other brands comparing
Of course there are differences... but a lot is also positioning and marketing... Do not forget we are talking about luxury objects ... for the latter other rules apply...
Both are beautiful! Great comparison!
Sold for official retail price one can buy both without any regret…
I am picking up a brand new unworn defy, with the blue dial tomorrow from a private seller here in Dubai for a very very good price. I found this review just to be sure I'm buying a quality timepiece. Thank you for the breakdown it's super in depth and helpful. You absolutely sold me on my decision . The defy is absolutely gorgeous, the 10 second counter is still something of a anomaly to me but I guess that's a feature that makes this a very special piece.
I hate this 10-seconds small dial on Zenith. Too useless, too noticeable, too catchy, too annoying
Tastes are different… 😉
what colour is your AP?
I actually love it, its different
Check out the skeleton version. The 10 second dial very much blends into the movement architecture and is also centrally placed to make it stand out less.
yeah its awful and takes away from the look
Hi Alexander, Great Video as always - AP I cannot afford at all, just dreaming. With Zenith it should be for me first the El Primero with the Chrono in Orginal size of 38 mm - the history of Charles Vermot saving the tools, dials and design drawings of the El Primero Caliber in the seventies is so wonderful and thrilling - history at the wirst. But first saving money - quite difficult nowadays. I am enjoying the Tissot PRX Powermatic 80, blue dial - just some 650 Euros and terrific looking like the ones you are presenting here. And also Swiss Made - so, Bravo Tissot!
I keep my fingers crossed 🤞🏻 for you! Thanks for sharing your passion with us…. And yes, the PRX is a very good watch… value for money 😉
Great video Alexander! I am very interested in the Zenith actually. I will try one in the next weeks🙂
I am happy to read this! Please share some thoughts with us once you saw the Zenith in real…
all the way zenith!:)
Which color dial would you choose and how would you wear it? Bracelet or strap?
@@WatchAdvisor white dial with a rubber or nato strap for me🤩
OMG. This Zenith is just Crazy ! Way better than the AP.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us!
Dear Alexander, again what a nice and interesting review. I would clearly go with the Zenith as for me it is never only worth one third of the AP`s price....not considering what is going on in the grey market. Danke Dir und noch einen schönen Tag !
Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback! Good choice! The AP on the grey market is clearly overpriced… only a complete idiot will buy it for these prices…
who the hell wants a watch with screws on top lmao, plus Zenith bracelet is way nicer
So many that AP can’t deliver enough watches to the markets… And yes the Zenith bracelet is nice 👍🏻
The AP is obviously a quality watch, beautiful movement,
but the design looks old, out of style. The short hands also drives me crazy. I just don’t like the watch. I actually like the Zenith better.
Thanks for sharing our passion!
Seems to be a lot of people commenting who don't seem to have watched the actual video or huge AP fans who can't acknowledge that the AP seems to have been influenced by the earlier Zenith.
True! That’s sad… people show no interest in the video … but still share their two cents… Thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing our passion!
The ability to influence people without irritating them is the most profitable skill you can learn. He who influences the thought of his times, influences all the times that follow. He has made his impress on eternity.
@@WatchAdvisor I'm just glad that there are people like you out there sharing their knowledge. I always look forward to your posts.
@@stellauniversal unfortunately that is not always a positive thing.
Both are great, and very similar in many ways .. so I can’t really understand the price of the RO 😐
+1 👍🏼 for your French accent 😅
Thank you very much! The official list prices or the fantasy prices asked in the grey/parallel markets?
Alexander, firstly, thank you so much for time and effort on these presentations. You are one of the best timepiece channels out there by far! I actually just picked up a blue dial 15300. I have yet to receive it and hope it is everything I imagine it to be. The Zenith Defy line is amazing! I may pick up the opaline dial with the green rubber strap. Thanks again!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us! Thanks for the amazing feedback! Good choices… How long do you have to wait for it? Please keep us posted…
I'll buy the Zenith first. And once XRP hits more than 20 EUR, I'll buy the AP.
How did that go? 🫤
@@colmcasey6596 This is the year ;-)
AP all day long. But it's no longer available, so who cares?
It is available… but only on the grey/parallel market… that’s disgusting! One should never support that artificial created, greedy business…
I just would mention (as an owner of several AP RO with the last mechs) - they are not as durable and precise, as EL Primero. And they are still very easily influenced by the magnetic fields. You wouldn’t feel that so much in Zenith or VC (which is officially antimagnetic) and even in Patek. And for me it is a big sadness, as I like RO a lot, have models from the past and now. The new Chronograph is even worse - I have offshore and RO 50 years on thet caliber and both were sent to the manufacture for warranty repair. Pity. But, still, when I am looking on RO and in details - it makes me much happier, then any Zenith could. Especially if you like to watch the watch from the back, to “meditate” watching the caliber - new AP is one of the finest ever.
Thanks for sharing your passion and thoughts with us! Direct unfiltered feedback like this is the best we can get….
Thanks so much for the detailed comparison and setting this particular historical record straight ;)
Both watches have fantastic features and I’m glad this look of defy is made larger now, I’ll have to give it a try.
Were you able to compare accuracy at all? I remember the zenith ran +1-5s. With so much debate and criticism of modern APs timekeeping I’ve all but written them off ad overpriced objects d’art but I’d love to stand corrected here. Perhaps this is covered elsewhere? Tx
AP is so boring and outdated technically speaking 😂 sorry AP FanBoys! Zenith is a great alternative 3 hands piece. Thank you Alexander for such a perfect comparison. Looking to see in person the Defy Skiline in 41 and 36 mm
I am happy to read this… Please keep us posted!
@@WatchAdvisor i will my fav TH-cam host !!!
AP way over rated!! Zenith is much better in my opinion..
Maybe status pieces aren’t for you and you like stuff that would fly under the radar? 🤷🏻
Very impressed to you Mr Alexander for reviewing these 2 watchers. I do have this AP . Loved it very much. From Malaysia.👍👍👍👍
Thanks for sharing our passion! Any thoughts? May your AP continue to always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours 😉
Great video, as always. I just tried on an AP, and to tell you the truth, I was not impressed with the watch's comfort level, but I have to say the exquisite finishing of the watch is impressive. I really think the majority of the people wearing AP are for the status. It will be interesting to see if these watches were really available in the AD how popular they really will be.
After been wearing my Rolex watches, I have fallen in love again with my Omega 2255.80 Seamaster; what a fantastic design, and that blue electric dial are mesmerizing. One piece of advice to all the new people of this hobby, buy what you like and don't follow the media trend.
When are you reviewing the new line of Panerai Quaranta? With all this craziness in some watch brands, I decided to pay attention to other brands. Take care.
Interesting read! Thanks for sharing… It is very true what you write… interesting, very interesting indeed… I can feel your passion… this is how it should be… buy/collect emotional and not rational…
Both nice watches Alex but in the current market prices the Zenith is the more logical watch to buy. AP, Patek, Rolex and Richard Mille are overpriced and not worth the money. At retail prices maybe but since you cant buy them at retail, Zenith is the way to go.
That’s a smart way of seeing things - yes!
Great insight on both timepieces!!! Thank you. Obviously if available at retail I’ll take the AP Royal Oak. However, a Zenith is bang per buck for what it offers. The AP movement is beautifully decorated yes, but it will be expensive to service. You can’t wear an AP as a daily beater. The Zenith movement has a basic finishing, but the movement is robust and accurate. Zenith’s strength is in its movements. Enthusiasts buy Zenith for the reliability history heritage. It’s a watch for watch nerds that know Horology. The Royal Oak is for a well to do sporty guy that likes a high end sports watch when he doesn’t want to wear his Patek Philippe watches. It’s a haute Horology weekend watch. It’s perfect for a Monaco lifestyle. To be honest I would take both in a black dial if it didn’t have a date…. and if I had the money for both. For now I’m ok with my Rolex Explorer 36mm Speedy Pro, & JLC Reverso mono face large small seconds. My perfect 3 piece combo meal deal.
Thanks for sharing our passion! Interesting read… “It’s perfect for a Monaco lifestyle” 🤣👍🏻😆 May your JLC, Omega and Rolex (in alphabetical order) always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours…
Alexander you are the best reviewer of watches in youtube… thank you for your effort and cant wait for next video.
may i suggest 2 watches for Future Reviews:
1- Grand Seiko SLGA007 (some say it rivals patek phillipe in terms of finishing and mechanism)
2- Hublot Big Bang Unico (Is the hate really justified for such brand!?)
Regards
Thanks for your super kind feedback! I feel flattered… I will take your suggestions under consideration…
Loving the AP guys spitting their dummies out…….😹😹
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Zenith has an unbalanced dial. There’s too much weight on the left and emptiness on the right. I can’t bear to watch the fast ticking 10 second sub register every time I look at the watch.
Tastes are different! The small little second makes you addicted after a while… it is really cool… at least that happened to me…
I must agree with your assessment Alexander that the current lack of availability at dealers and the gray market pricing is absolutely ridiculous ! While I do not pretend to know the intricacies of the present situation, paying other than retail pricing for a mass production time piece is not an option for a working man like myself.
I do hope that AP and Rolex get their house in order and their dealers in line for the sake of their own integrity if for nothing else. The Zenith is a beautiful time piece and at 1/10 the price of an AP-RO, one would be hard pressed to find greater value.
Thank you for the review Alexander as always !
You are a passionate guy! Thanks for sharing these lines with us. I love them!
I get that AP is an important brand, but I’m a huge fan of Zenith and it’s place in the history of great watches.
Audemars Piguet has a fascinating history and is a great brand - yes! But since it go so hyped at least for me it got less interesting… What I especially hate that no watches are available in a boutique, but all of them for absolutely crazy prices on the grey/parallel market… everybody knows that this is artificial created, greedy business…
The Zenith looks wonderful. Considering the rpice difference, I believe the choice is obvious. And it's less money? A real bargain in high horology.
It is a good choice for sure... Please do also reads our latest news in the "Community Section" of this channel...
This zenith watch or the zenith daytona chronomaster?????
Finally, a proper review between these two watches. Accurate history, unbiased, quality.
Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback! Which one would you choose?
@@WatchAdvisor The Zenith as overall it makes more realistic sense
@@David-io8xi I fully agree! I gifted me the Zenith Skyline with the blue dial last Christmas … IMHO it is impossible to wear a RO today without provoking and attracting jealous and nasty looks… the same applies for certain Rolex models too by the way…
I'm glad to see Zenith is now making movements with hacking seconds. I have an older El Primero which doesn't have it.
Yes, this changed with the new “El Primero” 3600 chronograph calibre…
Glad Jurgen Klopp is doing watch reviews as well.
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Zenith need to release the 36mm Defy "Midnight" series, in a masculine colour (Black, Blue) ... without diamonds. Do it!
Is an interesting idea! Just figuring out how that watch would look like..
50 meters is no sports watch
True!
I disagree just because it doesn't have awesome water resistance doesn't make it any less of a sports watch. Now 30m wr I say you're right ✅
@@lonewolfemcquade8133 You can't dive in to a pool or play watersports with a 50m watch, so no it is not a sports watch!
@@tynchytemper9618 yes you can, Speedmaster Pro is 50m and is perfectly capable of being worn while swimming. Whoever has ever said different is giving you bad information
It is hard to believe Zenith is way cheaper. I just don’t get hype over AP and …Richard Mille but that’s for another discussion
The hype was artificially created by lots of greedy people … and the Zenith offers value for the money - yes!
@@WatchAdvisorvalue for money is Longines in my view. Zenith is tier 1 watch and I would not say it is worse than AP regardless of price tag. I dont even want to say anything about secondary market for AP. Anyway thanks for posting such great videos. Cheers
Zenith is a nice watch, but the biggest downfall is that small second hand! Very stupid, AP destroys all luxury and haute horology watches ever made!
That particular small second indication makes the difference! You will have to wear the Zenith for a while to start loving it. I did and it happened to me. What exactly do you mean with? ... "AP destroys all luxury and haute horology watches ever made!" ... Can you specify?
I too find the seconds hand unappealing. I wish they used the seconds hand of the defy classic. Also i would like to see other colours of dials
Seconds hand is awesome
Value for money - Zenith hands down. If I had money to burn, then yes I would go AP. Excellent video Alexander.
Thank you! No one should buy a watch for these silly overprices… Every watch has an official list price and this is what you pay… the rest is artificial created, greedy business… just disgusting!
@@WatchAdvisor Spot on Alexander. Great videos and great channel - my favourite
I like the Zenith more. Buy what you like that’s all I can say :) good review Alexander!
Yes! This is what everyone should do… buy emotional and never rational…
Zenith all the day. The original, even before Gerald Genta. I don't care marketing who makes look Rolex and AP as the best brands ever (LOL), i look at the heritage. And Zenith wins. I also don't think the different finish on the case back is a matter of cost containment. Rather, it is a choice in line with the style of the watch, which is not a dress watch or a classic watch, so in my opinion the Defy with the exposed movement finished in a technical-industrial style goes better with the watch itself.
100m waterproof is a definite plus for the Zenith, especially for a luxury sport watch
I agree! It shows that the Zenith is the more modern watch in the end…
Vielen Dank wieder einmal großartiges Video
Immer… gerne! Danke fürs Feedback!
If you are wearing a watch purely for status, Zenith can't compete with AP. But for the rest of us, this is a great detailed comparison of two beautiful watches.
I did not compare status… I never will, because I simply don’t care… I am old school I like a watch for what it is…
@@WatchAdvisor I know, that's why I watch your videos!
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I love the skyline 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks for sharing! Which one would you choose?
@@WatchAdvisor the zenith all day every day - I tend to dislike hype pieces, and the asking rate of a Royal Oak I’d MUCH rather have a Lange 1815 flyback chronograph or a Lang & Heyne Georg. I also like the fact that the original defy predated the Royal Oak, the Nautilus, and all the other Gents inspired sports watches
Thanks again for sharing... I hear you! 😜
Great video Alexander (as always), very informative comparison!
Thank you very much! Any thoughts 💭?
@@WatchAdvisor Both are spectacular pieces. The affordability and functionality of the strap change would tip me in the direction of the Zenith!
I think I prefer the older Defy Classic (blue dial) to both of the watches shown in today’s vid.
The fade-out of the Defy Classic has started… the Skyline will replace it…
Zenith all the way
Thanks for sharing your passion with us!
I really appreciate and enjoy your review. In my opinion, the Skyline is the best integrated bracket in its category, and there are at least 26 different type of such integrated bracelet watches across all price categories. If the AP Royal Oak is the benchmark, then Zenith Skyline can offer its owner 90%-95% of the satisfaction and enjoyment, without being subjected to the law of diminishing returns. If someone has to pay 100k to achieve the 100%, then he/she clearly has different priorities in life. No doubt, at retail price, anyone here would buy the AP if available to him/her. Life is too short to only wait for "perfection". And speaking of "perfection ", I noticed that the screws at the case back of the AP does not line up like those on its bezel. Lastly, the date change at 12 is something I appreciate very much too. Cheers Alexander, and looking forward to your next review.
Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback! I hear and understand you! What you write makes sense to me…
Zenith all day long. AP sports watch with 50m water resistance !
Have you seen the zenith in real yet? If yes, which one?
Alexander both watches are interesting but the AP is not a watch I would wear the price is too high.
The Zenith is more appealing as it offers either straps, bracelet and possibly a NATO (?).
The Omega Constilation blue 41 mm you reviewed previously would also be considered.😃
When the waters subside .
NATO will for technical reasons not work with the Skyline, but a nice high-tech textile strap could…
Zenith. Also keeping in mind it is a fraction of the cost of the AP. As well as, you can actually walk into a shop and buy one.
If I had a Holy Trinity wallet, I would likely go with an Overseas or 222 over a Royal Oak. Coming back down to earth, I find this Zenith cleaner and better proportioned than the AP featured. Sometimes less is more and while it has less going on aesthetically, it’s a good looking clean watch. I would think anyone considering the new IWC Ingenieur would do themselves a favor by looking through this collection from Zenith.
I’m a bit biased by owning an A385, but Zenith really did a nice job here.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us!
Great review! I’m not sure if i missed it but did you talk about the dial color? Zenith did it much better in my opinion. Even the over all dial esthetic on the Defy is better. Also i love how the Zenith wears on your wrist! At least you could actually buy it at retail!
Thanks for sharing our passion! No, I did not talk about the dial color… it is so subjective… tastes are different…
Zenith hat in den letzten Jahren vieles richtig gemacht. Und die neue Skyline finde ich mal richtig gelungen. Vor allem am Kautschukband gefällt Sie mir richtig gut.
Ich würde die nur mit dem Kautschukband tragen… sieht richtig cool aus damit…
@@WatchAdvisor Ja das stimmt. Und nochmal danke für das tolle Video...
@@mariomalhofer3701 Immer gerne… 🙌🏼
While the prestige is with AP for sure and I’m a fan of the Royal Oak.
I think the zenith is a better looking watch. It seems proportionately better and I think the bracelet is nicer.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us!
I think the winner is actually not here. The VC Overseas. My choice, just my opinion.
A good choice for sure… but would make no sense to show it here…
@@WatchAdvisor why Alexander? The overseas is not a direct competitor to the Royal oak and the defy skyline?
@@richardman28 The purpose of this video was to show to similar looking watches that in the end aren’t that similar…
@@WatchAdvisor I see. I think the overseas is similar in looks as these 2, but in my opinion, is very different and far superior.
Contradictory messages here _ in the end you say about the AP that everything is a bit better than what the Zenith offers but when reviewing the bracelet you clearly stated that the Zenith bracelet was better , and that the Zenith wears much smoother !
Anyway - the price for the AP is stupid , to be honest, not at all justified. Not even the list price , not talking about rich people paying moon-prices ! Those people are spoiling the market for every normal watch enthusiast - it is what it is...
BTW - Zenith has another great offer with the Defy , which is cheaper than the Defy Skyline, but seems to be discontinued by now.
Another quite good alternative for the normal people ( like me I guess ) in this category would be the Wempe Ironwalker !
thanks for sharing your thoughts with us... interesting and passionate read!
Absolutely agree on the seconds, minute and hour hands. They have to touch the markers. Especially the seconds hand, nothing is worse than a short seconds hands. Also, a 50m water resistance for a watch at this price and this category is unacceptable, should be at least 100m.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us!
Another great video! Objective, balanced and free of bias. And I definitely agree with your comment… I would the AP if offered at a boutique but would never insane gray market prices. I would rather buy the Zenith and spend the difference on something else!
Thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing your thoughts with us and your kind feedback. Buying any of these artificially hyped watches and therewith supporting this greedy business is stupid… just don’t do it! Every watch has an official list price and this is what one has to pay…
Those are nice homages to the PRX, but I prefer the original.
Do you mean the Tissot “PRX”? You must be kidding 🤣
@@WatchAdvisor Will you be able to do a review on it?
I know it's a very exclusive watch, but I'm someone with your connections could your hands on one.
@@Starstreak170 ???? Sarcasm?
@@WatchAdvisor Partly, but I do think the PRX has been the most successful 2021 lineup in the affordable Swiss watch market.
Both are good.
Of course they are… One just plays in another league… the question is: is the one almost three times better than the other…
Thanks for all the details and the objective clear review. Very much appreciated. Would be great to see the GP laureato (which has 100% the Zenith bracelet) and the Chopard Alpine Eagle. Thanks, Alexander. Strong video.
Thanks for sharing our passion! If you provide me all of them the same time I will do that review… the most difficult thing for us is to allocate the watches and get them for a review…
Zenith rullzzz,..... Audemars Piguet is a 'gamble' brand (in my opinion...) i really have no idea what "they are doing" on the podium together with Patek and Vacheron... this fact it is a mystery for me ... God!!!
I wouldn’t call it a gamble brand… but AP got in the hands of the same greedy guys that organize all this artificial created, disgusting business around Rolex watches.
@@WatchAdvisor My opinion about AP is that they knew how to manufacture "gamble prices"... i heard they ask for a stainless steel watch more than its version in gold, put high prices for their watches 'just in case', to resemble some luxury goods, even though they were not fair, and many other adventures... JLC in my opinion has the rightful third spot on the podium, instead of this AP.
@@andreizamfira I don’t know if you’re being serious.. but AP overtook PP as the 4th largest brand in terms of market share despite their small output. This shows how powerful the brand is. BTW the holy trinity term is redundant and isn’t very relevant anymore. VC isn’t as powerful as they used to be in the past, and the overseas isn’t as nearly as desirable as the RO. Today we’ve the 4 horsemen, Rolex PP AP and RM, which is more in line with reality.
@@omarion07 since when Richard Mille can be put in the same dish with the others 3...?
Having spent too much money on watches last year, I think I would have to settle for the Tissot PRX !. I do like the Zenith though.
May I ask: which ones did you buy?
@@WatchAdvisor hi. I bought the Zenith A386 manufacture revival (your review helped), and then a JLC Polaris Mariner Date. Both beautiful watches from terrific brands.
@@kevinbutler1968 Bravo 🙌🏻 !Congratulations! May your JLC and Zenith always show you HAPPY seconds, minutes and hours…
Very nice and exaustive review. Thank you
Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback!
Tough choice between the two, but the AP swings it for me-just! Love the colour of the Zenith dial and would happily part with cash if it wasn’t for that damned annoying seconds hand
That small second hand is cool… when wearing the Skyline for more than a week I quickly got addicted to it…
That small second hand is cool… when wearing the Skyline for more than a week I quickly got addicted to it…
First time viewer. Very good introduction to both watches. I really like your view on the minute and hour hands. Like to hear more on things that impress you from an expert viewpoint. Thank you.
Welcome aboard! Thanks for sharing our passion!
For some reason the porportions of the 41mm sized RO are off. Something isn't right with that model.
What size is the appropriate one in your opinion?
@@WatchAdvisor 37mm. 39mm is upper limit for me due to the lug length and I'm saying this with 7.5'' wrists. I like classically fitting watches.
Pretty small IMHO ... the dial aperture would be too small then... the watch wouldn't look good anymore...
@@WatchAdvisor I've seen the 41mm on you and others. With all due respect it doesn't fit you or most others well. I think 37mm would fit you perfectly as it's more age appropriate.
The zenith looks better to me. Not a fan of that royal oak.
The Zenith is the more modern watch… the Royal Oak is an icon, a classic…
Great video as usual.
Thank you very much!
I tried on the defy skyline and was quite impressed overall. The problem for a poor man like me is that I probably could only afford one Zenith and it seems more appropriate to buy a one with a chronograph function given how iconic its chronograph is….
Please don’t say “poor man”! What is rich or poor? You are emotional and passionate that is what counts!! Choose wisely, watch our other Zenith videos and let me know if you have any questions…
Fantastic video.🔝🔝
Thank you very much!
Ok die AP gefàllt mir besser als die Zenith ;die kleine Sekunde bei der Zenith ist nicht mein Geschmack
Danke für Dein Feedback! An die kleine, schnelle Sekunde gewöhnt man sich rasch… dann möchte man sie gar nicht mehr missen…
Can you redo this comparison with the defy skyline chrono and the Royal oak chrono?
Everything can be done… but you have to get hands on both watches…
@@WatchAdvisor If anyone can do it, it's you Alex! You have the only videos on the Zenith Defy Skyline Chrono from W&W this year. Remarkably so little talk and buzz about it. Chrono is where Zenith really hits above class and they finally unleashed their best asset the el primero in its full capacity in the Defy skyline lineup. The 10 sec function makes a lot more sense in the true chrono format and is visually much more stunning in the larger sweep. Perhaps they addressed some of your critiques from this video regarding showcasing the movement better?
Thanks for your kind words... ver much appreciated...
Will you be reviewing Grand Seiko in the future?
No plans for it in the moment…
@@WatchAdvisor why?….
@@rayn.2688 No particular reason… many other videos are in the pipeline though…
I hope Zenith takes the next step with the Defy in 2023 and make a two tone gold Defy! If they do, I hope, if they do, don't do a plated or covered link but a solid gold link version! Do it right!
..."plated or covered link but a solid gold link" ... You must be kidding! Zenith can't afford doing this...
Are you saying that their catalog of watches that are gold or two tones are no solid linked, like the Chronomasters? Rolex can do it, I believe Oris just out a solid gold bezeled diver with their new 400 movement. I'm confused...
Of course the prices for a two toned piece will significantly go up from the base $8400 steel models. But, it gives the line a blast of snazzy!!
ZENITH FOR THE WIN 🥇!!!
Thanks for sharing your passion with us!
AP RO all day.
Why not! But there are alternatives...