What the trance guys usually do is that they have a sub that is played by simple off-beat notes, and then they add this sort of a bassline, that you showed in the video, but filtered at around 150 hz. This way the very bottom end is occupied by only kick and sub (making it easier to mix) and the filtered bassline sits on top of it as a mid bass.
I am newbee with using DAW and try play with doing Trance (like to play my semi electric violine to Trance music). I was try do some music and struggling with the bass and kick sounds good in headphones but on my real loudspeaker it was very muddy. Your explanation was clear my wonder how the Trance guy do this. Thanks
you're absolutely right. I'm also trying with a "trick", definietly worth a try: send the mid (top) bassline to an fx channel and add some stereo tempo delay with a rythmic gate effect. try different eq settinings, saturations. or add some extra reverb if you want more depth. and don't forget the stereo width, it's also very important. I'd recommend to reduce the channels stereo width to about 50% or less, or else the bassline will be too wide. Really good effect to fill the space, sounds more natural and trippy than stereo widener plugins and to be honest, I miss this effect from the most of todays trance songs
@@hunk443 i find it works better to have the sub on a separate channel. putting effects on the sub like distortion and compression can really mess with the dynamics. you want the sub clean
I have been into Trance for 4 years now, started messing around with garage band recently, but your video convinced me to maybe get something higher lever like FL studio or the like. Thank you for the inspiration!
Dude. Subscribed. Thank you I will be watching a lot more. It's been like 6 yrs since I used Serum. Finally got it and your videos are so easy to follow I love it. Thank you man. 😊
Sidechain your bass with the kick as the trigger for ducking. Or if you don’t have a compressor with a sidechain function, you could even draw in a volume automation curve for every single kick and bassline, but that would take a while to copy and paste.
I have finished my first track, soundcloud.com/empiricalmind I have no idea how to mix and master, I just can't get my head around it, could you please advise whats the best thing to focus on, I always mess wiith the mastering plugins but things quickly get bad as I don't know what I'm aiming for, if that makes sense? many thanks if you can help.
It sounds pretty good already. The only thing that stuck out to me was that the high frequencies are too pronounced for my taste at least. They cut into my ears a bit, if you know what i mean. Have you watched any mastering tutorials and still can't figure it out? Or haven't you watched any yet?
Major Mittens Thank you for your comments, appreciate it, I will give that a go, I listen to many tracks and they all seem to be mixed/mastered much better than anything I can do, it's a frustrating part of creating tracks, I jsut have to stick with it and hope the penny drops, cheers!!!
Mussi93 Thank you for your comments, appreciate it, yes now you mention it that was a concern, it sounds ok in parts and others sound not so good, the tutorials I watch, seem to start from the idea that people already understand how to use mixing/mastering plugins to improve what they start with, I think it's my lack of understanding of the plugins rather than the process, it's a massive learning curve, cheers for your opinion.
i think it is mono simply because the saw only has one voice? you see when he adds the delay in he cuts the delays sub frequencies to keep the sub 100% mono
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What the trance guys usually do is that they have a sub that is played by simple off-beat notes, and then they add this sort of a bassline, that you showed in the video, but filtered at around 150 hz. This way the very bottom end is occupied by only kick and sub (making it easier to mix) and the filtered bassline sits on top of it as a mid bass.
Tomáš Holec I was thinking the exact thing when I watched this video 😊
I am newbee with using DAW and try play with doing Trance (like to play my semi electric violine to Trance music). I was try do some music and struggling with the bass and kick sounds good in headphones but on my real loudspeaker it was very muddy. Your explanation was clear my wonder how the Trance guy do this. Thanks
you're absolutely right. I'm also trying with a "trick", definietly worth a try: send the mid (top) bassline to an fx channel and add some stereo tempo delay with a rythmic gate effect. try different eq settinings, saturations. or add some extra reverb if you want more depth. and don't forget the stereo width, it's also very important. I'd recommend to reduce the channels stereo width to about 50% or less, or else the bassline will be too wide. Really good effect to fill the space, sounds more natural and trippy than stereo widener plugins and to be honest, I miss this effect from the most of todays trance songs
its not necessary add a new layer of sub bass
@@hunk443 i find it works better to have the sub on a separate channel. putting effects on the sub like distortion and compression can really mess with the dynamics. you want the sub clean
I have been into Trance for 4 years now, started messing around with garage band recently, but your video convinced me to maybe get something higher lever like FL studio or the like. Thank you for the inspiration!
this might be the best production tutorial i have ever seen. including famous producers.
Best tutorial i've seen so far man! Easy to follow for me as a noob producer
Dude. Subscribed. Thank you I will be watching a lot more. It's been like 6 yrs since I used Serum. Finally got it and your videos are so easy to follow I love it. Thank you man. 😊
On rolling bass lines try cutting away everything below about 175 Hz and then add a lower off bass line, and blend it in.
Great and inspirational, and all the way a tutorial should be.
Thanks a lot, this really helps me further in creating basslines
Great tutorial dude!
Oh my gosh , that bass drops very hard!
Excellent video! Very helpful! Thank you so much! 👍😃
Wow this is a very good tutorial THANK YOU 🙏
G then G octave up, then delay Great Tips 👍
Thanks! very helpful
Very good baseline. And closed cllosed baseline very good
very useful thanks man
and it’s better with sidechain i think
Thanks for this! Hugely appreciated
Very helpful tutorial thanks a lot man
Really useful tutorial.
Great video man
Brilliant - First Ableton Tutorial for me complete! :)
Thanks very good. Bass line is so important in the Trance so this is good I am newbee using DAW program. Rely enjoy this tips and tricks.
This amazinggggg !!!!. thank you sooo muccchhhh
Very helpful, Cheers
I hate trance when I'm busy, I can't ignore it! Something special about those patterns at > 135 BPM??? Just locks me in...
Agreed. I am newbee on use DAW program. It was like open a treasure sheast.
thanks alot
Equing competing instruments are always hard for me. Nice video btw.
Thank you
Thankyou
How deep goes your Kick? 70hz?
i am looking the video with the serum moog bass not the modular , can you point me where it is.
Thanks
Useful, trance.
thanks boss
What if you don’t have LFO tool?
Sidechain your bass with the kick as the trigger for ducking.
Or if you don’t have a compressor with a sidechain function, you could even draw in a volume automation curve for every single kick and bassline, but that would take a while to copy and paste.
@@gavsmith1980 thanks for the help but I’ve now gotten LFO tool though. Thanks anyways as it may come in handy for the future.
dude.... you fucking rock!!! ur videos are so usefull! tks!!!!! greetings from argentina
dope
yeah great tips :D
in serum, why drive the filter instead of turning up the master volume?
Makes it crispier if that's what you want from the bass
bass
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I have finished my first track, soundcloud.com/empiricalmind
I have no idea how to mix and master, I just can't get my head around it, could you please advise whats the best thing to focus on, I always mess wiith the mastering plugins but things quickly get bad as I don't know what I'm aiming for, if that makes sense? many thanks if you can help.
It sounds pretty good already. The only thing that stuck out to me was that the high frequencies are too pronounced for my taste at least. They cut into my ears a bit, if you know what i mean. Have you watched any mastering tutorials and still can't figure it out? Or haven't you watched any yet?
Major Mittens
Thank you for your comments, appreciate it, I will give that a go, I listen to many tracks and they all seem to be mixed/mastered much better than anything I can do, it's a frustrating part of creating tracks, I jsut have to stick with it and hope the penny drops, cheers!!!
Mussi93 Thank you for your comments, appreciate it, yes now you mention it that was a concern, it sounds ok in parts and others sound not so good, the tutorials I watch, seem to start from the idea that people already understand how to use mixing/mastering plugins to improve what they start with, I think it's my lack of understanding of the plugins rather than the process, it's a massive learning curve, cheers for your opinion.
nice 8) i finished my track 6 months ago soundcloud.com/seppo-landen/the-relic
Quality, you've nailed that genre, mixed well everything's clear, no muddiness, what plugins do you mix/master with?
The baseline is always the mid part :)
Oh my god its not even mono...
i think it is mono simply because the saw only has one voice? you see when he adds the delay in he cuts the delays sub frequencies to keep the sub 100% mono
@@deveyousness that is correct i think