OMG, you changed my life. I have been trying to make a decent bassline for two years. This is the first tutorial from a producer whose music I listen to.
In 2024 this is still the best tutorial if one is looking for the typical snappy psytrance bassline sound. Just two things that may have changed over time: 1. Their is a better Waveform for the Serum Osc A. It is called MB Saw (if i remember correctly) and is to be found in the Analog folder. It looks similar but is a little curvy. Sounds more Liquid Soul alike than. 2. The volume in the LFOTool on the right side must be lowered to 1. It is on 10 by default. Otherwise it won't work. Love your music E-Clip 👍. Thx for the video!
@@EClipChannel Do you use FabFilter Saturn on your basslines? I found it pretty useful on psytrance basses to saturate clickiness and reduce the excessivness of lowend.
Good one! On your website I read the whole tutorial and only then saw there's a video at the bottom. I like the text but some people visiting your site may miss that there's a video as well since it's not mentioned at the top.
First of all, thanks a lot for the tutorial!! it helped me very much! but Im having some problems when i change de notes of the bass, any tips fot not screw up the timbre when changing the notes?
maybe a really stupid question, but do I still need to layer it with a sub layer? cause after that lowcut at maybe 50 hz it is to weak in the low low end or am i wrong?
Not a stupid question at all. But you should not add any sub-layer, actually, the serum provides more sub than needed, that's why I usually use the bend +/-!
I have noticed a few producers doing this asymetrical saw wave, what is the point? Does this not cause DC offset? and would this not just make a quieter wave? Great tutorial man!
And as well, processing is a bit huge, specialy if you use distorsions, and phase alignment, this shape of saw will only provide less low hormonics, but original shape will be totally different.
hi dude this is a really precise tutorial thank you ! however i'd like to know why is the bass color changing between this frame 8:49 and this frame 9:05, i would love to know what process makes that high frequency part so flat and powerful :) maybe the fact that you microphone is on ?? ahah
It is because i always reduce 1st note of the bass in midi. Velocity to 80 and other 2 notes are on 100. This way it gives a bit of sidechain to st note. In this video, only after 1st kick there was 1 note that was reduced to 80, thats why i cuted and extened. I hope you understud, but check when i was drawing midi, you will see that only on 1 note i had 1st note reduced
Have you ever tried to do it with a hardware synth? Or do you have any proof that hardware can sound better than VST? As I tested many of the hardware synths.
@@EClipChannel It depends on what you mean by “sound better”. I definitely think it's nicer when there's still some life in the bassline. but I don't know much about the specific genre, maybe every bassline just has to sound the same.
@@EClipChannelRight, when I change the phase of the bass I can see kick wave degradation on osciloscope at some points and hear that kick and bass loose some of their low end. I would also recommend using Mautoalign or SoundRadix autolign tools.
Autoalign works with the latency, it migh move your bassline up to 20ms which is not so good. Only plugin that changes the phase this way is PHA-979 that i know of, never found any other plugin like that (there is one from UAD)
Its strange, i made the serum like you do, but my sound in cakewalk sonar its very different!!! I don't now if is the software or the sound system!! Nice tutorial! Thanks
@@EClipChannel I need some help aswell... What do i need to do for it to sound the same ?? It sounds so weak compared to yours but i followed it exactly 3 times ! Please some kind of a tutorial or guide me to a video :/
It changes only the phase. When you see wavefrom of the kick, and when you see the line going up, by changing the phase for 180, you would get same line but going down. When tweaking the PHA you should listen to low end
The sound on the first note, that "sometimes" appears is not the end of the last note, it´s a prering caused (most often) by linear phase eq's ;) Here´s some more on this: reverb.com/news/linear-phase-vs-regular-eq-which-is-better
Try it without eq, and you will notice its still happening. Linear phase makes pre-ringing, witch apears before note played, not after. Anyway, LFO tool solves problem.
@@EClipChannel Thank you so much for this tutorial, I always felt after all the sidechaining there was still some leftover frequencies, and you answered it perfectly in this video. However, adding the 2nd LFO tool increases the problem for me instead of solving it, is it because I am using Ableton ?
For sure, but im not fan of much coloring, and if you look on the waveform after RBass, it kinda really makes it wierd. My goal is to do less possible processing.
I follow along, but the outcome is bit diffferent. Comparing the peaks on the EQ, mine is having shallower peaks and walleyes around the fundamentals. Actually if i put my bass one octave higher i get the same 'picture' and dynamics, but yeah it is too high for a bass. On the original octave it is dull compared to yours. Same processing step by step ... Maybe it is because i use FL ??
I do use external converters, but I get the same sound if do trough soundcard directly. Only thing I can guess is FL sound Engine or Audio Interface you use. If you use RME, you should definitely get the same sound.
Do you recod your output directly from your soundcard or is taken from the speakers ? Your sound has a very distinct character to it, almost like a square wavish influence / distortion, which i cannot reproduce no matter how precisely I follow your steps here.
I record through loopback, and this might be because of the soundcard or FL studio sound engine, I'm not sure how FL sounds as I never used it, but I did compare same results from Ableton, Logic and Cubase, and there is a difference between those 3 for sure.
BappinProductions ok thx, i asked because i like medolic fullon (isratrance xD) and need a lot of differents ton between 2 complete poctaves...so with all the processes on individual tones and bouncing, it quickly becomes confusing^^
Amazing tutorial from a pro! I think have issue with latency in Ableton. 1) when i do 1/16 serum (125ms) yours is 107ms. 2) In oszillos mega scope i cant reach same straightness it very out of grid. I did everything the same. Tried 2 different multiband envelope shapers (killhertz mutlipass) and (neutron transient). Do i have to purchase better sound card?
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OMG, you changed my life. I have been trying to make a decent bassline for two years. This is the first tutorial from a producer whose music I listen to.
same
Best psytrance bass tutorial on the internet
@1:47 - Surge XT has plenty 18dB filters
Au druze, svaka ti cast. Bolji tutorial nema na YT. Hvala ti sto delis znanje
Best tutorial for bass man, thanks!
I agree with you man!
@@andremarangoni6937 can u get serum on your Android .? Good vid as well
I‘ve been looking so long for a psytrance bass tutorial like that! Thank you so much and keep doing videos like that👍
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
I have to join the other comments here: This is really the best Psy bass tutorial and gives you immediately the right sound!! Well done!!
Fantastic tutorial dude and great sounding bass!
You guys are pretty rad giving out all these knowledge's to us younglings. Thanks :)
Thank you
wow I've watched several tutorials but this is hands down the richest in details! so precise, so clean...
WOW you are The best E'clip! thanks for those amazing tutorials.
He explained everything well, including how to properly process it without phasing coool
This deserves more views. Epic
Thanks for all the tutorials, huge gift for the community!
man! thanks for sharing your knowledge! this tutorial totally saved my life
In 2024 this is still the best tutorial if one is looking for the typical snappy psytrance bassline sound. Just two things that may have changed over time:
1. Their is a better Waveform for the Serum Osc A. It is called MB Saw (if i remember correctly) and is to be found in the Analog folder. It looks similar but is a little curvy. Sounds more Liquid Soul alike than.
2. The volume in the LFOTool on the right side must be lowered to 1. It is on 10 by default. Otherwise it won't work.
Love your music E-Clip 👍. Thx for the video!
Amazing tutorial! Very clear although not being overly simplified. Waiting eagerly for more of it!!!
Cant be more simple than this. Full bassline in my projects have more yhan 10 plugins. This is kinda of a starting point
@@EClipChannel Do you use FabFilter Saturn on your basslines? I found it pretty useful on psytrance basses to saturate clickiness and reduce the excessivness of lowend.
Thx brother from now all will be another, you are TOP, omg!!! This is the best!!!!
bravo kralju, ogromna hvala za ovakve videe!
Great tutorial. Simple and clean! Thx!
The best tutorial thanks
great tutorial thanks !
Thank you you are Master i have E Clip masterclass already it's very nice i enjoy every minute learning from you greetings 😀👌
best tutorial that i watch so far yet
wow that was EPIC thank you so much! that really helps me
I made this and its a game changer. Thank you bro. Can't wait for the next tuts!
Love you're project one of my favs, great work with the tutorial, thanks!!!!
Nice, the saw adjustment solve lot of problems righ at the source, without having to mess with compressor and eq too much. Like it!
Thank you for going the extra mile!
Thanks for all the resources
brilliant producer thanks for this tutorial and clean expression
Thanks for this tutorial , many blessings & Namaste
Excellent project of how to make a bassline!
Awesome stuff man, really appreciate it!
Good one! On your website I read the whole tutorial and only then saw there's a video at the bottom. I like the text but some people visiting your site may miss that there's a video as well since it's not mentioned at the top.
Thanks for that, the main idea is a blog! Video is there just to support the Blog.
realy nice, thx, can you pls show us how you EQ Bass and Kick together, thx
great tutorial, cant wait to try these tips
Thanks Marko!! Greetings from Greece bro🙏🙏
thank u so much for share your techniques. It's so important to us, begginers :)
Great tutorial! Thank you!
Hvala legendo!
thank you!!! i realy like your song and your quality :)
Very good man!
Thanks!!!
wow thank you for this nice goooooooooood bass sound!!!!
this tutorial is so much valuable
you da boss! thank you and forever greatful!
amazing dude, thanks a lot!
Amazing
TY!
Hey, thank you , best tutorial for bass
Thank you so much man
i simple enjoy your music alot cant wait to see u live
best tutorial ever
Thank you so much for sharing!!
Great tutorial! Tnx!
amazing tutorial
Thanks alot!
thanks for t video!! :)
You’re a legend mate 🙏🏽
Great stuff bro!
Nice one bro!
I learned so much from you
Awesome!!!
Very nice
muito obrigado ajudou de mais.
Great tutorial! I think many other psytrance bass tutorials lack some punchiness.
tHANK YOU
Can you also do the transient step with Izotope's Neutron 3 Transient Shaper?
No, but you can with Melda MTransientMb : www.meldaproduction.com/MTransientMB
@@EClipChannel Thankssss man, dope music !
*Perfect*
First of all, thanks a lot for the tutorial!! it helped me very much! but Im having some problems when i change de notes of the bass, any tips fot not screw up the timbre when changing the notes?
Just did a video about that, check my channel for latest video
Is there any alternative to the envelope shaper? Im using ableton and cant find any multiband envelope shaper vst. Thanks a lot for the tutorial btw!
Melda Production Transient MB sound the same as envelop shaper
maybe a really stupid question, but do I still need to layer it with a sub layer? cause after that lowcut at maybe 50 hz it is to weak in the low low end or am i wrong?
Not a stupid question at all. But you should not add any sub-layer, actually, the serum provides more sub than needed, that's why I usually use the bend +/-!
@@buzlanes I did show in some video about band +/- on serum. It is not a pitch its just next to wavetable position knob
@@EClipChannel oh I understand. Thank you very much!
Awesome video dude! for some reason when i add the second lfo tool it sidechains it again?
Sure thing. LFO Tool should sidechain it, you need to disable “volume” on it so it doesn’t sidechain.
@@EClipChannel uh yes, that makes sense. cheers for the reply
can you do this tutorial on Fl Studio please? :) I love this bassline
Just follow his steps, if u got all those Plugins there should be no Problem to hit the same result.
@@arkaadian1146 exactlly
which daw does eclip use in this video?
thanks😊
I have noticed a few producers doing this asymetrical saw wave, what is the point? Does this not cause DC offset? and would this not just make a quieter wave? Great tutorial man!
he explained why he uses this one, because it produces less of the lowest harmonic (that he cuts anyways)
And as well, processing is a bit huge, specialy if you use distorsions, and phase alignment, this shape of saw will only provide less low hormonics, but original shape will be totally different.
thx bro
Best!
hi dude this is a really precise tutorial thank you ! however i'd like to know why is the bass color changing between this frame 8:49 and this frame 9:05, i would love to know what process makes that high frequency part so flat and powerful :) maybe the fact that you microphone is on ?? ahah
It is because i always reduce 1st note of the bass in midi. Velocity to 80 and other 2 notes are on 100. This way it gives a bit of sidechain to st note. In this video, only after 1st kick there was 1 note that was reduced to 80, thats why i cuted and extened. I hope you understud, but check when i was drawing midi, you will see that only on 1 note i had 1st note reduced
@@EClipChannel hey dude im not talking about the velocity but the way it sound :)
@@tripshift4914 Well there is only 1 change in bass sound, and that's midi with the velocity and without, in a range where you said.
@@EClipChannel but i think it's because of your sound system theres like a sort of feedback in the microphone
giving flateness to the bass
@@EClipChannel listen with earphone dude you'll normally notice :)
not bad for a VST bassline
Have you ever tried to do it with a hardware synth? Or do you have any proof that hardware can sound better than VST? As I tested many of the hardware synths.
@@EClipChannel It depends on what you mean by “sound better”. I definitely think it's nicer when there's still some life in the bassline. but I don't know much about the specific genre, maybe every bassline just has to sound the same.
great man, thx. i have a question. how do you know what plug in changes the phase and if you are in the right phase or not?
You should be able to hear it, but if not then any oscilloscope plugin will show you if you know how to check it.
@@EClipChannelRight, when I change the phase of the bass I can see kick wave degradation on osciloscope at some points and hear that kick and bass loose some of their low end. I would also recommend using Mautoalign or SoundRadix autolign tools.
Autoalign works with the latency, it migh move your bassline up to 20ms which is not so good. Only plugin that changes the phase this way is PHA-979 that i know of, never found any other plugin like that (there is one from UAD)
maybe you can tell what volume level for Bass and for Kick you aproximately use. kick minus 11, bass minus 12-13?
I use Kick -5 and bass i measure in Rms, always mixing by ears as number can’t give you great results.
thanks!!! what is the best BPM for punchy swagy Psytrance??? 138?142?
Depends, Progressive vibe you can get till 138, after that it just sounds as psytrance fullon.
Its strange, i made the serum like you do, but my sound in cakewalk sonar its very different!!! I don't now if is the software or the sound system!! Nice tutorial! Thanks
Music card 😆😆😁
It migh be Soundcard!
@@EClipChannel I need some help aswell... What do i need to do for it to sound the same ?? It sounds so weak compared to yours but i followed it exactly 3 times ! Please some kind of a tutorial or guide me to a video :/
What a f%$? Who can dislike? Why? This is amazing! I am improve, who dislike, he cant do better!
thanks, brother! sharon is karen!
Hey brother, any new memes?
Can you explain why and what you are doing with the PHA-979 more detailed ?
For sure
@@EClipChannel When you changing the phase in PHA-979 what are you listening for?
It changes only the phase. When you see wavefrom of the kick, and when you see the line going up, by changing the phase for 180, you would get same line but going down. When tweaking the PHA you should listen to low end
What are the LFOs modulating?
The sound on the first note, that "sometimes" appears is not the end of the last note, it´s a prering caused (most often) by linear phase eq's ;)
Here´s some more on this: reverb.com/news/linear-phase-vs-regular-eq-which-is-better
Try it without eq, and you will notice its still happening. Linear phase makes pre-ringing, witch apears before note played, not after. Anyway, LFO tool solves problem.
ok, does not appear in studio one, but might be editing/clip setting
@@TheSlackjointDudes hi slackjoint just think it's his studio sound going through the microphone
@@EClipChannel Thank you so much for this tutorial, I always felt after all the sidechaining there was still some leftover frequencies, and you answered it perfectly in this video. However, adding the 2nd LFO tool increases the problem for me instead of solving it, is it because I am using Ableton ?
You are fuckin' god! Thank you for this tut! IT CHANGED MY LIFE!
I can add an Rbass after the Trans-X Multiband?
For sure, but im not fan of much coloring, and if you look on the waveform after RBass, it kinda really makes it wierd. My goal is to do less possible processing.
@@EClipChannel thanks =)
nice one
I follow along, but the outcome is bit diffferent. Comparing the peaks on the EQ, mine is having shallower peaks and walleyes around the fundamentals. Actually if i put my bass one octave higher i get the same 'picture' and dynamics, but yeah it is too high for a bass. On the original octave it is dull compared to yours. Same processing step by step ... Maybe it is because i use FL ??
I do use external converters, but I get the same sound if do trough soundcard directly. Only thing I can guess is FL sound Engine or Audio Interface you use. If you use RME, you should definitely get the same sound.
you missed much low end, it is about 33hz using those sheetee eqs.
Do you recod your output directly from your soundcard or is taken from the speakers ? Your sound has a very distinct character to it, almost like a square wavish influence / distortion, which i cannot reproduce no matter how precisely I follow your steps here.
I record through loopback, and this might be because of the soundcard or FL studio sound engine, I'm not sure how FL sounds as I never used it, but I did compare same results from Ableton, Logic and Cubase, and there is a difference between those 3 for sure.
👍
what u think guys using Neutron 3 Transient Shaper - iZotope to replace the cubase multiband shaper ? i use ableton live
Neutro will take to much of your CPU, use MTransientMB from Melda Production, there's no difference from EnvelopShaper
@@EClipChannel thanks a lot bro
@@EClipChannel Thanks man !
How are you managing the pre-ringing from such a steep low cut in linear phase mode? Do you render the notes out and tidy them up there?
Always bouncing after finished processing. Better for many reasones, latency, pre-ringing, phase..
@@EClipChannel thanks for clarifying. Great tutorial by the way, clean and clear just like the bass :) I look forward to more in the future!
E-Clip do you also bounce the different tones from bassline? Or just the root tone and work with them (pitch/shift the sample for other tone?)
@@shroomadelics every note, you get weird artifacts otherwise
BappinProductions ok thx, i asked because i like medolic fullon (isratrance xD) and need a lot of differents ton between 2 complete poctaves...so with all the processes on individual tones and bouncing, it quickly becomes confusing^^
Amazing tutorial from a pro! I think have issue with latency in Ableton. 1) when i do 1/16 serum (125ms) yours is 107ms. 2) In oszillos mega scope i cant reach same straightness it very out of grid. I did everything the same. Tried 2 different multiband envelope shapers (killhertz mutlipass) and (neutron transient). Do i have to purchase better sound card?
It´s because the BPM must be at 140
Might happen, instead of killherz and Neutron, use TransientMB from Melda Production to replace EnvelopeShaperMulti as it sounds almost the same
And yes, Ableton have a huge and terible
Problem with latency