Not if I got thrown the day before. That could mean a possible suspension for getting thrown out more often. We have seen suspensions aggravated due to the number of times the manager got tossed.
If a pitcher truly did not mean to hit a batter why can't he simply hold up his hand and gesture that he didn't mean to like in tennis. By simply saying "that's my fault" would stop a lot of this fighting
My weird take: A universal "apology" hand gesture would go a long way toward the end of stupid arguments and hurt feelings. But at the same time, it should never be factored into whether or not the pitcher gets ejected. Because if it is, then 1) even the butthurt bandits who 100% intended to hit someone would use the gesture, and 2) it would be worthless for conveying genuine remorse.
The "unwritten" rules have existed since day 1. Baseball unlike other sports, has no way of settling "beefs" so we're left with HBPs. I agree with how it was handled and had the Cubs followed up by hitting a Reds hitter, we issue warnings.
I don't know that I agree with your assessment here. Even if we take the events game in a vacuum, showboat home runs and blowouts have a tendency to lead to more intentional HBP. Whether it's an unwritten rule or not, it happens, and this happened to be guy who showboated on the HR, and the team getting blown out got hit. More chance for retaliation. Get together, issue soft warning (no huge demonstrations) so that any retaliation doesn't result in these philosophical questions.
But Contreras’ homer was early on, first AB, and he’s no more a showboater than Votto. Spirited and emotional, yes, but not a showboater. The blowout got cooking in the 3rd. Why hit Contreras in the 7th, with an 8-run lead, on the FIRST PITCH from Kuhnel? You can argue it wasn’t intentional, judging the pitcher’s body language, but you can also argue that his reaction was like “now that THAT’S outta the way, let’s pitch for real”…
Ross just snapped and seemingly had enough of watching his Cubs get beaned by the Reds. Just a perfect time for him to get tossed out of the game while trailing by 8 runs in the top of the 7th inning.
I don't understand why the conference didn't happen. I don't think it was intentional, but it seems like if you have a conference you answer Ross' concern. Talk about it, then say to Ross, "we don't believe it was intentional." If he argues then, the ejection is warranted. I wouldn't even issue warnings as that opens a whole can of worms afterwards that no one wants. Just my thoughts.
And if you look at Ross's hand gestures when he's talking to Little, he puts his hands together in a "huddle symbol". So that was at least a component of his complaint. I do wonder what was said before he came out of the dugout, since that's when the ejection happened.
He also had to be fed up with the strike zone for the Cubs compared to the Reds strike zone during the Tuesday Wednesday games not sure of the strike zone for the Cubs compared to the Reds yesterday
Someone explain to me why it's normal to throw at someone if a pitcher "gets upset" but not normal for a pitcher to appologise strraight away if he hits someone accidently. Sometimes the attitude of baseball is baffling.
@@TheChando we weren't analyzing whether or not the two sides should apologize. Pimping a homerun is purposefully disrespectful. Why would someone apologize for something they intended to be insulting? Congratulations you aren't good at arguing or insulting.
@@onedayatatime007 You're COMPLETELY missunderstanding my question. Why do baseball players think it's ok to throw a ball at a player when they "get upset" which is an act of utter cowardice and pathetic. But it's NOT seen as ok to Appologise when you hit someone accidently. Which would be good sportsmanship and show respect to your fellow player. Why is such bad actions seen as OK but a good action seen as not OK? I'm not taling about them both happening AT the same time. I'm talking about IN GENERAL
@@TheChando I didn't realize you guys weren't staying on topic with the video. Not to mention who is we? You joined in after the fact anyway. Weird take.
@@hammerhiem75 there are plenty of players that don't hit other players when they are upset and there are also plenty of pitchers that apologize when they hit another player. I can say if you hit someone hard or dirty in hockey you expect a fight coming back your way and not an apology going out usually, but again it does happen. Maybe you are just highlighting the fact that this is a sport and it's supposed to be entertainment. Maybe there isn't supposed to be some morality lesson everytime you watch a ball game.
Started watching this expecting to see that Contreras had low-key dramatized it despite no evidence of intent, but the umpires ejected the pitcher anyway to avoid worse drama. He does that. No such thing here, though. Yes, there's a difference between "pitcher is hypersensitive to exuberant celebration" and "batter being a d*** rubbing it in the pitcher's face", and this was the latter. That's still *never* an excuse for assault.
I think this is a case that Ross had seen enough of this game and needed an excuse to leave early. Down 13-5... and this pitch looked a lot like last nights.. a tailing 2 seemer that hit him in the mid-section... if this one (or the one yesterday) were intentional.. I have to compliment on not being in the ear hole area... neither last night to this game appeared to have any bad blood. I think the umps did the correct thing.
Contreras made an attempt to get out of the way. As a result, by rule, all intent is null and void. Ross had no case whatsoever to argue for it. He was frustrated with getting blown out and purposely got thrown out of the game so that he didn't have to watch his team anymore. (Final score ended up 20-5 Reds.)
Yes. We'll just ignore the fact that the previous night, Votto got buzzed (but not hit) and the Reds retaliated by plunking Wisdom, and then they did it again tonight. It can't _possibly_ be that he's upset with that, and that it looks like the crew let the Reds get away with it. Twice.
Sorry, I'm with Lindsay - "one of the most foolishly infantile reasons to throw at people in existence". If someone hurts your feelings, the best response is to realize their actions are a reflection on who THEY are and not who YOU are. Let it wash off, then "get them back" by being better. Less ideally, find a way to hurt their feelings. The worst of all is "Physically injure them to teach them a lesson" (>_
I’ve always hated celebrations of any kind whether it be in the end zone or after a home run at the plate. A celebration in the end zone is a little bit like a celebration, but after a home run it does seem like it’s more of an “in your face” act. I don’t think it warrants a bean, but…thank very you for the video. Always informative.
Literally everyone in the comments and this video is completely wrong David Ross was just arguing with the umps cuz they did not even discuss the fact that it could be an intentional hit by pitch which in my mind it was Contreras already went deep and he had beef with Voto the other game and you kinda sound like a Cinci fan in this video
Hard to give a clear answer when there's no way for anyone but the pitcher to know if the hbp was intentional or not. Bell could be right (on the intentionality), he could be wrong, we don't know. In a blowout I don't think it matters very much.
I'm sure when umpires can read minds, you will find that happens. Sadly, umpires are trying to get into a players head and frankly, some are better at it than others. some will eject first and think later and others will have a keep them in the game until you can't mindset. This is not an area that's easy to get everyone on the same page... the players involved change the parameters too... so don't ever expect consistancy in this area unless it's just HBP - Eject pitcher.. no if/ands or buts... which will be worse.
@@ronpeacock9939 Forget about getting into their heads. I don't think it would be worse if the pitcher knew he'd be ejected. If there is solid contact with the batter, you're gone, no matter what your intent was.
@@sfmc98 Sadly, you'll find that as an umpire.. that's the best way to not make friends.. at the levels I work.. the best way to not be invited back (and yes, teams can tell the assignors that you're not welcome on their campus (as an assignor, I've had to take those calls)). The rules say you have to guage intent.. not easy... oh you can eject for every HBP if you want.. but I can guarantee you that if you did.. your name would be mentioned with Angel Hernandez's as being the horrible umpires... That's not somewhere you want to go.. nor being the umpire known for that.
Contreras is showing a trend towards a short fuse and chippy attitude. He needs to just take it and be professional. If he shows respect, he'll get it. Kids are watching for Pete's sake. I do not agree with "having to go out and protect players." Are they still in diapers?
The commentators are fuccin CLUELESS!!! They don't know rules, there never Umpired even a tiddly winks game in their lives, but they are the FIRST LINE of assumption about what a referee or an Umpire's role or duty or responsibilities are during sporting events. It's ridiculous! And that is where fans get the knowledge from! Lmao
I love your channel but have to disagree with the "unwritten rules" comment, it does make me wonder if the people disagreeing with them have ever played the game at a higher level, more than little league
Noap. The DJ’s job is to entertain the fans, not to placate the home team’s players or incite the visiting team to a fight. Professional athletes - and coaches as well - don’t even let that bother them. I’m fine with the Reds’ DJ. And I’m a Cub fan/former DJ saying that.
Maybe this girl should not do baseball videos if the unwritten rules perplex her too much and if she needs help to understand perhaps she should phone a friend
Literal snowflakes. They also probably gave those guys a pass because of who they were. But I cannot see why teams and pitchers think it's ok to fire a projectile at someone's body at 80+ miles per hour for a perceived slight. If they do, it should be like hockey--The batter gets to fight them, one on one.
@@sfmc98 one of these days someone is going to take the bat with them to the mound. I won't feel sorry for that pitcher either. I've seen too many face shots.
@@sellison2192 I mean I'm surprised that out of all the baseball players, one hasn't been like "any pitcher that beans me, I'm fucking up his car, I'm coming to his house, I'm burning that motherfucker down" and yes, "I'm beating his ass with a bat" just as a deterrent lmao, the pitcher can find out if he's serious or not.
@Don1103 the pitcher can use a weapon but the batter can't? They can throw 95 at someone's head and that's perfectly OK? Let's make the fight fair. If the avoid the bat then they don't get hurt. Just like the batter having to turn their head not to take a face shot.
As a reds fan I don’t think this was intentional but honestly I wouldn’t be very upset if there was an ejection just to attempt to diffuse any potential issues especially in a blowout
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If the Reds were beating my team by 8, I would also want to leave
Not if I got thrown the day before. That could mean a possible suspension for getting thrown out more often. We have seen suspensions aggravated due to the number of times the manager got tossed.
@@michaelfalkner1186 its twice dude come on.
@@dawhoda1 On consecutive days, though. League isn't going to look kindly.
This Reds DJ needs a raise!
Agreed.
If a pitcher truly did not mean to hit a batter why can't he simply hold up his hand and gesture that he didn't mean to like in tennis. By simply saying "that's my fault" would stop a lot of this fighting
My weird take: A universal "apology" hand gesture would go a long way toward the end of stupid arguments and hurt feelings. But at the same time, it should never be factored into whether or not the pitcher gets ejected. Because if it is, then 1) even the butthurt bandits who 100% intended to hit someone would use the gesture, and 2) it would be worthless for conveying genuine remorse.
The "unwritten" rules have existed since day 1. Baseball unlike other sports, has no way of settling "beefs" so we're left with HBPs.
I agree with how it was handled and had the Cubs followed up by hitting a Reds hitter, we issue warnings.
David Ross realllly wanted out of this ass kicking.😂
I don't know that I agree with your assessment here. Even if we take the events game in a vacuum, showboat home runs and blowouts have a tendency to lead to more intentional HBP. Whether it's an unwritten rule or not, it happens, and this happened to be guy who showboated on the HR, and the team getting blown out got hit. More chance for retaliation. Get together, issue soft warning (no huge demonstrations) so that any retaliation doesn't result in these philosophical questions.
But Contreras’ homer was early on, first AB, and he’s no more a showboater than Votto. Spirited and emotional, yes, but not a showboater. The blowout got cooking in the 3rd. Why hit Contreras in the 7th, with an 8-run lead, on the FIRST PITCH from Kuhnel? You can argue it wasn’t intentional, judging the pitcher’s body language, but you can also argue that his reaction was like “now that THAT’S outta the way, let’s pitch for real”…
Will did a good job, first by escorting the BR and then calmly listening to what Ross had to say.
Good reminder, if a coach is heated and is not asking you a question, you do not have to respond. Nod, say okay and go on with your business.
Ross just snapped and seemingly had enough of watching his Cubs get beaned by the Reds. Just a perfect time for him to get tossed out of the game while trailing by 8 runs in the top of the 7th inning.
Would warnings have been appropriate to head off any HBP in the bottom of the inning?
I don't understand why the conference didn't happen. I don't think it was intentional, but it seems like if you have a conference you answer Ross' concern. Talk about it, then say to Ross, "we don't believe it was intentional." If he argues then, the ejection is warranted. I wouldn't even issue warnings as that opens a whole can of worms afterwards that no one wants. Just my thoughts.
And if you look at Ross's hand gestures when he's talking to Little, he puts his hands together in a "huddle symbol". So that was at least a component of his complaint. I do wonder what was said before he came out of the dugout, since that's when the ejection happened.
Almost thought this was a reupload...
Me too
Agreed totally on Lindsey's views of the Unwritten Rules.
I wonder if Conroy and Ross argued about who knew more about baseball here, like they did in the previous game.
He also had to be fed up with the strike zone for the Cubs compared to the Reds strike zone during the Tuesday Wednesday games not sure of the strike zone for the Cubs compared to the Reds yesterday
@@FAB_GNC that’s false advertisement
Someone explain to me why it's normal to throw at someone if a pitcher "gets upset" but not normal for a pitcher to appologise strraight away if he hits someone accidently.
Sometimes the attitude of baseball is baffling.
Because one was purposefully disrespectful and the other is an accident. Not a very well thought out question if I do say so.
@@TheChando we weren't analyzing whether or not the two sides should apologize. Pimping a homerun is purposefully disrespectful. Why would someone apologize for something they intended to be insulting? Congratulations you aren't good at arguing or insulting.
@@onedayatatime007 You're COMPLETELY missunderstanding my question.
Why do baseball players think it's ok to throw a ball at a player when they "get upset"
which is an act of utter cowardice and pathetic.
But it's NOT seen as ok to Appologise when you hit someone accidently.
Which would be good sportsmanship and show respect to your fellow player.
Why is such bad actions seen as OK but a good action seen as not OK?
I'm not taling about them both happening AT the same time. I'm talking about IN GENERAL
@@TheChando I didn't realize you guys weren't staying on topic with the video. Not to mention who is we? You joined in after the fact anyway. Weird take.
@@hammerhiem75 there are plenty of players that don't hit other players when they are upset and there are also plenty of pitchers that apologize when they hit another player.
I can say if you hit someone hard or dirty in hockey you expect a fight coming back your way and not an apology going out usually, but again it does happen. Maybe you are just highlighting the fact that this is a sport and it's supposed to be entertainment. Maybe there isn't supposed to be some morality lesson everytime you watch a ball game.
Started watching this expecting to see that Contreras had low-key dramatized it despite no evidence of intent, but the umpires ejected the pitcher anyway to avoid worse drama. He does that. No such thing here, though.
Yes, there's a difference between "pitcher is hypersensitive to exuberant celebration" and "batter being a d*** rubbing it in the pitcher's face", and this was the latter. That's still *never* an excuse for assault.
The umpires should not get together and decide whether to eject the pitcher or not it’s the home plate umpire’s decision.
I think this is a case that Ross had seen enough of this game and needed an excuse to leave early. Down 13-5... and this pitch looked a lot like last nights.. a tailing 2 seemer that hit him in the mid-section... if this one (or the one yesterday) were intentional.. I have to compliment on not being in the ear hole area... neither last night to this game appeared to have any bad blood. I think the umps did the correct thing.
Contreras made an attempt to get out of the way.
As a result, by rule, all intent is null and void.
Ross had no case whatsoever to argue for it. He was frustrated with getting blown out and purposely got thrown out of the game so that he didn't have to watch his team anymore.
(Final score ended up 20-5 Reds.)
@@scotthable888 If only it worked that way...
Yes. We'll just ignore the fact that the previous night, Votto got buzzed (but not hit) and the Reds retaliated by plunking Wisdom, and then they did it again tonight.
It can't _possibly_ be that he's upset with that, and that it looks like the crew let the Reds get away with it. Twice.
I am a Cubs fan and I totally agree. I am not big on David Ross as manager either way but it is a Chicken thing to do.
@@almostfm ignoring irrelevant facts is normally how it works. Moreso when nobody is really sure that wisdom was intentional.
EVERY sport has it's unwritten rules. Yet, it seems like baseball is the only one that has back bench bomb throwers criticizing them.
Sorry, I'm with Lindsay - "one of the most foolishly infantile reasons to throw at people in existence".
If someone hurts your feelings, the best response is to realize their actions are a reflection on who THEY are and not who YOU are. Let it wash off, then "get them back" by being better. Less ideally, find a way to hurt their feelings. The worst of all is "Physically injure them to teach them a lesson" (>_
why would he be grilling Greene when Joel is one who rocked him
i don't see the ejection happen, here, and it looks like most of what we see is after the ejection - so what was he ejected for?
@@FAB_GNC but it looks to me like he gets ejected and then comes out to argue, because he might as well. (To get his money's worth, kaching, etc.)
I’ve always hated celebrations of any kind whether it be in the end zone or after a home run at the plate. A celebration in the end zone is a little bit like a celebration, but after a home run it does seem like it’s more of an “in your face” act. I don’t think it warrants a bean, but…thank very you for the video. Always informative.
I don't see where he was ejected......
That will teach them to stop watching home runs and to run their bases out! Instead of showing up the pitcher! Go Reds!
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I was like didn’t just ejected yesterday’s lol
Literally everyone in the comments and this video is completely wrong David Ross was just arguing with the umps cuz they did not even discuss the fact that it could be an intentional hit by pitch which in my mind it was Contreras already went deep and he had beef with Voto the other game and you kinda sound like a Cinci fan in this video
@@FAB_GNC you're funny
Ross has been a BUST since day one! Get rid of him!!
Hard to give a clear answer when there's no way for anyone but the pitcher to know if the hbp was intentional or not. Bell could be right (on the intentionality), he could be wrong, we don't know. In a blowout I don't think it matters very much.
Well you hit it anD admire it..well..but slot it comes from yesterday
Contreras, such a punk. He deserves to be plunked at least once a game.
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@@ansontigersportspics8063Yuuup!
Want to show em strike em out instead.These guys throw too hard today to deliberately injure some body.Old school or not.
I just ask for consistency amongst the entire league and all umpires.
I'm sure when umpires can read minds, you will find that happens. Sadly, umpires are trying to get into a players head and frankly, some are better at it than others. some will eject first and think later and others will have a keep them in the game until you can't mindset. This is not an area that's easy to get everyone on the same page... the players involved change the parameters too... so don't ever expect consistancy in this area unless it's just HBP - Eject pitcher.. no if/ands or buts... which will be worse.
@@ronpeacock9939 Forget about getting into their heads. I don't think it would be worse if the pitcher knew he'd be ejected. If there is solid contact with the batter, you're gone, no matter what your intent was.
@@sfmc98 Sadly, you'll find that as an umpire.. that's the best way to not make friends.. at the levels I work.. the best way to not be invited back (and yes, teams can tell the assignors that you're not welcome on their campus (as an assignor, I've had to take those calls)). The rules say you have to guage intent.. not easy... oh you can eject for every HBP if you want.. but I can guarantee you that if you did.. your name would be mentioned with Angel Hernandez's as being the horrible umpires... That's not somewhere you want to go.. nor being the umpire known for that.
Two hit batsmen in a game, automatic warning. The first is questionable, the second should almost always be a warning.
No. Just....no.
@@teebob21 you’re assuming all hbp’s are intentional
Agreed. Cuts down on the situations where intent is pretty clear, unwritten rules or not.
Contreras is showing a trend towards a short fuse and chippy attitude. He needs to just take it and be professional. If he shows respect, he'll get it. Kids are watching for Pete's sake.
I do not agree with "having to go out and protect players." Are they still in diapers?
is my phone fucked up, i swear i hear a woman talking! why?
Transgender talking.
This Ross specialize in drama ? Concentrate on your LOSING record and we'll go from there. What a joke.
The commentators are fuccin CLUELESS!!! They don't know rules, there never Umpired even a tiddly winks game in their lives, but they are the FIRST LINE of assumption about what a referee or an Umpire's role or duty or responsibilities are during sporting events. It's ridiculous! And that is where fans get the knowledge from! Lmao
Cubs will have prob 3rd worst record by end of year. Gonna be a while before cubs r legit again
I love your channel but have to disagree with the "unwritten rules" comment, it does make me wonder if the people disagreeing with them have ever played the game at a higher level, more than little league
But again, isn't the DJ actually instigating?
Noap. The DJ’s job is to entertain the fans, not to placate the home team’s players or incite the visiting team to a fight. Professional athletes - and coaches as well - don’t even let that bother them. I’m fine with the Reds’ DJ. And I’m a Cub fan/former DJ saying that.
Would be a completely different story if the DJ played "Three Blind Mice".
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Maybe this girl should not do baseball videos if the unwritten rules perplex her too much and if she needs help to understand perhaps she should phone a friend
Was pretty obvious that it was intentional, so pitcher and manager would have been hooked
When did they get so sensitive? I remember Griffey, Sosa, McGuire and Bonds all watching their Homer's back in the day. They didn't get hit for it.
Literal snowflakes. They also probably gave those guys a pass because of who they were. But I cannot see why teams and pitchers think it's ok to fire a projectile at someone's body at 80+ miles per hour for a perceived slight. If they do, it should be like hockey--The batter gets to fight them, one on one.
Shame pitchers don’t have to bat anymore.
@@sfmc98 one of these days someone is going to take the bat with them to the mound. I won't feel sorry for that pitcher either. I've seen too many face shots.
@@sellison2192 I mean I'm surprised that out of all the baseball players, one hasn't been like "any pitcher that beans me, I'm fucking up his car, I'm coming to his house, I'm burning that motherfucker down" and yes, "I'm beating his ass with a bat" just as a deterrent lmao, the pitcher can find out if he's serious or not.
@Don1103 the pitcher can use a weapon but the batter can't? They can throw 95 at someone's head and that's perfectly OK? Let's make the fight fair. If the avoid the bat then they don't get hurt. Just like the batter having to turn their head not to take a face shot.
As a reds fan I don’t think this was intentional but honestly I wouldn’t be very upset if there was an ejection just to attempt to diffuse any potential issues especially in a blowout
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Unwritten rules are all about respect.
Should be: Hit a batter, you're gone. Pitchers have to take responsibility for the ball they throw.
Yep. Hit batter? Gone. Checked swing? Always a strike. Any chirping from assistants? Gone. All these umpire judgement arguments waste so much time.
@@SchillerDuval Right on.
@Jeff Teske That would be for the ump to decide, If a batter does lean and gets hit, no ejection
It's not baseball, it's just the MLB that has problems with these unwritten rules bs. Watch foreign leagues and you won't find any of this...
Not exactly so, but these things are much more rare out there, yes. In NPB for example, you won't ever come across things like these...
Listening to the Cubs announcers to get the facts is like listening to Carlson Tucker to get the facts.
I guess you listen to Pedo Joe for all your info! FJB let's go Brandon!🤡
Poor little baby leftist.
@@orvilletowner2503 Orville 😆
@@deanoffishing2139 dean of fisting
@Don1103 I am not the one crying
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cant take away the unwritten rules of sportsmanship . i imagine you are an astros fan .