Couple of notes: 1) The demos at Zhuhai this year were flown by Sergey Bogdan, Sukhoi chief test pilot, aged 62. He's a legend, but age is slowing him down. Slightly. 2) The plane flown is an older T-50 prototype (specifically, T-50-7 [057 Blue]), so there's a lot of stuff that isn't here that is on a production Su-57. Sukhoi brought two prototypes down to show off - T-50-4 (Blue 054) on static display and T-50-7 (Blue 057) for flying. 3) The prototypes have 2.5d (angled 2D thrust vectoring, but the production models have new full 3D vectoring engines. We know this because they brought a couple of the engines down to show off too. Source: I was literally in Zhuhai Friday traipsing through the airshow. Hell of a time. Very fun. Would recommend.
It's so weird to see this be brought up. I just knew when the image leaked and was being talked about you would see a lot of very low IQ people pretending the guy is "hardcore" just because he flew in a straight line for 4000 km to an airshow. It really just goes to show how your average russkie fanboy is at the mental age of a child.
Other video that pilot his age 62 age, and he came without a big team. He made everything himself.And the most surprising thing is that he landed in China and got out of the jet fighter without wearing a G suit, just wearing a tactical jacket,He is an experienced pilot who has flown various aircraft.
he actually hop a couple of airport to get to zhuhai. imagine being the chinese airport ground crew watching a SU57 randomly pull up to the tarmac for refuelling... xD that's actually where some of the close in video are from...
@@warfarenotwarfair5655 Because the demo models have special upgraded engines that have a 200h lifespan tops. The serial production engines they can't get the performance done for the new engines without burning through them within a few hundred hours. That's the reason they can't be deployed - for this reason, the serial production is still running old 1970 Soviet Engines.. but then you can't pull off any of the stunts you see in this video.
@ Russia 100% has air superiority in Ukraine. Whatever exists of ukraine’s air force they barely fly if they do it’s likely they’ll be shot down. Russia has not produced a large number of SU-57s yet but they don’t need them in Ukraine.
The Mover guy is a bit jealous. He knows this plane is awesome. It is only a 10 year old prototype : T 50. We can only imagine what the SU 57 fitted with new engine could be able to do. Bogdan is something else.
@@sph1988these missiles spend its energy quickly and Out of no escape zone, Fighter jets can dodge the missiles while firing its own missiles to enemy jets
Impractical manoeuvres at airshows are used to demonstrate the capabilities of the aircraft. They are not necessarily made to demonstrate actual combat manoeuvres.
Gonky got smoked by an Su30 during BFM training when that sukohoi pulled a J-turn during a one circle fight, and there's a video of it. So yeah there's a practical use with all those high-alpha fancy maneuvers that people called "not practical"
Pretty sure he was referencing the kvochurs bell specifically having no practical use in combat. It looks cool but its effectiveness in any scenario is dubious at best. I don’t think anyone will argue with high alpha capability being useful in dogfight scenarios.
@@RenesisActual It's not meant for combat, but meant to show off that capability. Cobra and bell could be translated into a useful combat maneuver. J turn for example is a nasty move and from a plane that has the yaw authority as the felon(thanks to its 3d vectoring), it's a deadly AF.
You can be Patriotic and proud of your own airplanes, but at least be objective and non biased as an "Expert" . This Mover guy sounds like he hates anything Russian without knowing why exactly. I'm sure this guy voted for Kamala
@@TransoceanicOutreachBecause being a supporter of LGBT, BLM, Ukraine, gender reassignment, abortions, while hating Russia and China and low intelligence are exactly the signs of leftist fascists who are always for Kamala.
@@igorkrizanac1260 spot on! jewlywood induced russian hate... they dont know even know why, and when you ask why they get mad because they realize they have no arguments.
Mover is acting like a jealous friend that can’t admit you’re better than him in a sport. That plane is absolutely awesome in its capabilities and will give any and all of our fighters fits after the merge.
@@bobbyraejohnsonYou print so many dollars in your shitty America that nominal figures are meaningless. Your fighter costs hundreds of millions of dollars, while the Russian one costs a couple dozen.
Guys, the thing you all did not know? Mention? is that when Sergi (the test pilot) stepped out of the plane he had no g suit or anything, just slacks and a decent t shirt and his helmet.. Sergi is 62, and the test pilot for Suhoi.. Also this is the 2nd aircraft built, and is actually a T-50. The production Su-57s are quite different - different engines and stealth baffles over and beneath the engine nozzles. He flew the plane from Moscow with one stop and no support or maintenance crew.
@@gdiwolverinemale4th the second plane was for the presentation of the new engine, and the presentation of the plane itself to potential future buyers. the show was private
@@specc_s1452 Sukhoi definitely does not share its organizational details with me, but I find the idea a prototype of an airplane would fly 10,000 miles to an air show somewhat far-fetched
Calm down buddy. They d know everything about it if they where still active duty. Mover & Gonky both retired years ago✌🏽 if you were an airline pilot: Would you get up everyday and study red air? No you wouldnt 😉
@@MH-lh1bfDude almost every DCS player knows this stuff , so real pilots especially if they make such videos should educate themselves . Just use Google , 5 minutes of work .
@@MH-lh1bfnot active duty, but their new gig with YT revolves around their supposed "up to date" knowledge of military aircraft and flight/fight tactics in the air.
These guys never value anything that isn't American. If the f22 does the same maneuvers it's fantastic but if a Russian fighter does it they'll question what the practical use is. Double standard.
@@davidrobert7180 because those 32 countries are inidividual volenteers and arms support, and most volenteers already leave Ukraine after the first two years. they ain't sending their unit in like the middle east.
To the Mover antirussian guy some info... First of all this a prototype T-10, one of the earliest ever made, this jet has assembled and reassembled so many times for testing purposes and thats why you can see some parts not looking good, its been used only for testing and air-shows and its one of the 2 prototype T-10s(out of 10 prototypes or so) that Sukhoi still owns for their own testing and demonstrations. The Russians for obvious reasons they did not want to send an active production Su-57s which btw they are around 30+ active production ones. Secondly, it does have 3D thrust vectoring, the T-50 and the serial production series Su-57s until now are using the same engine from the Su-35, the AL-41F1, according to Rostec most likely in 2025 they will delivered the first Su-57s with the new 5th gen second state engine AL-51 that has even greater thrust, it is lighter, better fuel consumption, has longer life cycle and its futures a significant reduced in thermal and radar signature. Third, I dont know why this Mover guy complains about the maneuvers, this is an air-show, what do you expect a crowd to see, a BVR demonstration and how good the radar works? And last fourth, no way the F-22 cant match this kind of manoeuvrability and I have seen most of the F-22s air-shows. So before you do a reaction video, at least do a decent research so you wont get embarrassed by your lack of knowledge and the bias BS statements.
the F-22 and F-15EX can match the maneuverability. But none of that matters in a BVR fight. The Ukraine Patriot battery was able to detect the Su-57 from beyond patriot missile range, thus it's not a stealth aircraft at all, and can be detected and shot down BVR. The fact it's a prototype doesn't matter. prototypes are meant to be representative test beds of the real thing. how can you teste a stealth, that's not a stealth? Su-57 have already been lost in the Ukraine war. Literally every model of russian fighter in existence today has an abysmal combat record against western 4th gen fighters and air defenses. they lack the sophisticate technological capabilities of the west, always have. They can't produce advanced electronics in russia, and have imported American chips to build their stuff. Mover complains about the maneuver, becasue like every other russian fighter, it's flashy, but useless maneuver in actual combat. US pilots don't fly nor fight solo. so while that maneuver might throw off or threaten a fighter, his wingman would just then shoot the defenseless Su-57 hanging in the air and save his wingman. even F-22 pilots stopped using such maneuvers in visual merged dogfights as they found them to be useless.
@@SoloRenegade Whats your source on su-57 being detected by patriot? You said 'Su-57 have already been lost in the Ukraine war' - when?where? Im pretty sure internet would explode from this sort of news.. 'Mover complains about the maneuver, becasue like every other russian fighter, it's flashy, but useless maneuver in actual combat.' Like the man said... its an air-show ... I bet you hed be praising and not complaining not one bit if it was f35s and f22s making them. Mover just bring an image of a 'bad loser' to me.
So in saying that no way a F22 can't match this maneuverability, is that F22 does match this maneuverability? Really any clean GEN4/GEN5 jet still in service offers up an impressive display. You can go find videos of clean Hornets, Super Hornets, F15EX variants, etc, etc putting on a display, and if you read the comments they're full of people saying things like, "holy chit I didn't know they could do that!" or "I didn't know that plane had thrust vectoring capabilities." (when said plane doesn't have thrust vectoring) The real question is how can these aircraft maneuver when setup with real world, combat loadouts.?.?
@@SoloRenegade All stealth aircraft can be detected on radar. If a radar track has the radar cross section of a duck, but is moving at mach 1.5, what kind of conclusion are you going to come to? The point of stealth is to minimise cross section in those frequency bands used for guiding missiles. We're pretty fortunate that the only times Soviet designed aircraft have gone up against Western aircraft is, what - Iraq? The Iraqi military in Desert Storm was a joke. Taking that down is not something to brag about. "Su-57 have already been lost in the Ukraine war. Literally every model of russian fighter in existence today has an abysmal combat record against western 4th gen fighters and air defenses. they lack the sophisticate technological capabilities of the west, always have. They can't produce advanced electronics in russia, and have imported American chips to build their stuff." - you got sources for these claims or what? When I worked in Russia there was a microchip factory which produces chips for military use on the scale required for mobile phones, so I already know that one is false.
@@SoloRenegade do you really believe in that ukrainian statement about detecting Su-57?) And wtf are you talking about lost Su57 in Ukraine? Where did you take this info?
Just a 61 year old armchair pilot here, i can remember when the MiG-29s and Su-27s debuted at airshows here in the UK. Their wing/body blending aesthetic and maneuvers i hadnt seen by any western aircraft were awesome to see though regardless of the practical applications in actual combat.
yes, and they still have that beautiful aesthetic. but in combat they have so far proven inept against western fighters. The Mig29 is all but out of production with few countries still operating them for example.
@@SoloRenegade сколько было реальных боёв су-27 и миг 29 с западными самолётами??? В Югославии когда пара миг 29 полетела на встречу армаде из сотен самолётов? Или в Ираке 10 миг 29 против сотен самолётов западной коалиции ???
EXACTLY! That's why we want to avoid a war with them. Unlike our F-22, which is cancelled and out of production, the Russians can produce as many Su-57s as they want.
I am so touched by their arguments about applicability in real combat, about the combat situation... And these are guys from the air force of a country that, since the days of Yugoslavia and Iraq, has not dealt with at least any air defense system, let alone air battles. How much arrogance from the parade warriors, the whole service was to patrol and escort.. Guys, envy doesn't make you look good.
Yeah. I would take the words and experience of a Ukrainian pilot over them FR. Those guys and the Russian pilots have actual REAL modern warfare experience. It;s the Ukrainians who should be training the US pilots but their ego probably wouldn't allow that.
false. US dealt with air defense in Vietnam, Desert Storm, Syria, and more. 1991 saw the US destroy the worlds densest air defense network on planet earth in about a week with 4th gen aircraft. and US aircraft are penetrating Iran, Syrian, etc. air defenses with impunity today. All of the top russian fighters have been shot down in droves in combat over the decades (Mig29, Su-27, Su-30, Su-34, etc), and su-57 have also already been destroyed in combat.
I am in a cave in Africa with my star link internet and a few Pet lions guarding the cave entrance watching this video with my chilled Heineken in my hands. This SU - 57 pilot amazed everyone around the world, except for a few sceptics. Bravo to the super performance.
As an aviation enthusiast I don't really care for people's saltiness on a Russian airplane over their political bias. Su-57 is a great plane and when you put that in the hands of a great pilot it is destined to produce awesome results. It's an air show and this is what exactly what they are going to showcase. It's true that F-22 is still cool and deadly but that shouldn't prevent us from appreciating something else that's awesome.(sorry Mover, but lighten up a little bit mate 😛) For me when it comes to tech - it doesn't matter where the origin is. There's a reason why people still love Tiger tanks, FW-109s and Japanese Zeros from WW2.
@@user-di5rm9ee1p yeah, I too heard that he wasn't wearing a G suit. He's definitely a pro and this airshow stunts must have been a cakewalk for him. Anyway I'm still glad both Mover and Gonky appreciating a fellow pilot on his capabilities like gentlemen.
nope. Russian aircraft lack sophisticated avionics, as we've seen in Ukraine. the Su-57 was picked up by patriot outside Patriot missile range (not stealth). Maneuverability counts for nothing in BVR fights. Russian aircraft have all proven inept in actual combat and lack advanced capabilities.
two Americans cooking in their own nostalgic sauce with a touch of envy! Keep it up guys! Russian war pilots have the most up to date and direct experience in the world right now, if you add to this a good airplane... you know 😉
They'd die by the dozens on day 1 if this conflict spilled over. Had it been the US invading Ukraine they would've established near total air supremacy over the bulk of the country in less than 100 hours. Russia has absolutely failed to accomplish this feat after nearly 3 years. They can only maintain limited superiority over select portions of the front lines. The USAF would utterly destroy the VKS, don't fool yourself into thinkin' otherwise.
@@FraserFir-sb4lk The United States bases its experience against a regular army on the “heroics” of Vietnam. What you write here is based on the Hollywood experience 😅
@@MegaPopilu Boy, the US could field and logistically support a combined quarter of a million men for a decade straight. In 2 separate countries over 6,000 miles from home. Russia can't move half that many men 120 miles into a neighboring country with a shared land border without a severe logistics breakdown in less than a week. We wasted nearly 2.5 times the entirety of Russia's GDP in GWOT and our economy still grew, and we maintained our status as the world's largest economy. Russia would be so bankrupt every little Natasha and Lyudmila would be lettin' anyone stick anything they want up their turd-chutes for a $5 bill and a potato. No, they wouldn't win a conventional war with the US. They'd get stacked like cordwood. Putin has to hide behind the nuclear bitch switch, child.
I remember when Putin talked about the Sarmat, Avangard, Yars and Kinzhal missiles, the British and American and many Western media laughed and said that these were cartoons. And I remember when Putin talked about the newest Su-57 fighter, many Western media also laughed. As the Russians say: he who laughs last laughs best. This Kinzhal is the one that destroyed the Patriot system near Kiev and Kharkov, launched from this very model of aircraft. Great respect to the 62-year-old Russian pilot. Russia, only forward!
Mover : Watch this landing! Gonky : Wow, dude, yeah. That was just fun. A couple of dudes enjoying a machine and the skill of the pilot. Just a few minutes of escape from the day to day grind. No politics, no over the top hype. Airshows are awesome. Thanks gents.
01:24 is this guy for real?! It's an AIRSHOW not a combat scenario! The "practical application" is to show the maneuverability of the aircraft and entertain the public...
Did you miss the part where Gonky said that these maneuvers gave the Russian fighters better nose authority? Did you miss the part where he said that said nose authority would be useful in a fight?
It's a su-57. YF-22 --> F-22 X-35 --> F-35 T-50 --> Su57 prototypes are supposed to be well made, hand crafted, high quality representations of their production counterparts. if the prototype isn't stealth, how can you know teh production model is? If you didn't test RAM and such on teh prototype, then how can you know the production model will? It's just a cope from Russia worshippers.
Вы чё дурачки🤡? Этот самолёт имеет и практическое применение именно благодаря манёврам, Су-57 доказал это в СВО, не одна американская, западная система ПВО не могла ничего поделать с Су-57, а наоборот Су-57 уничтожал все эти западные ПВО без напряга!🤣
For those questioning the focus on maneuverability in fighter jets, think about it like this: it's similar to asking why soldiers need to be fit or athletic if they use automatic weapons in battle. Both questions have the same answer.
Yeah... Even experienced traditionally trained pilot like Mover sometimes struggles to grasp the practical applications of supermaneuvrability. Oh well..
@@hippoace He did, or rather he mainly flew the viper but also he did get some time on the hornet when he was on exchange with the US Navy, so he flew both
I think his point was more that it's not super useful in a modern combat space. Even Gonky seemed to indicate that its mostly useful in a gun fight. But in modern times, when you can shoot missiles at planes behind you or shoot at planes well past the horizon, I'm not sure how often you're going to get a chance to use guns. Whoever gets the first good missile shot off is likely going to be the victor. Especially when preventing friendly fire is so much easier with the way modern US fighters communicate with each other and allies (ie don't need physical confirmation before firing, a la Vietnam).
When you're being targeted by a true stealth fighter from BVR or AA missiles like Patriot, it's pretty useless. If you're in a Vietman era dogfight, sure, it's useful.
@@TC2290-wh5cb In fact, it is much more useful in long-range air combat. With increasing altitude, the air loses density and the control surfaces become less efficient. How long will it take for the viper to turn 180 degrees at an altitude of 10km and at a speed of 1M? About 20 seconds. This is the time it takes for a rocket to fly 20-30 km, you just don't have time to get away from the impact. How long will the Su-30/35/57 take? Judging by a recent video from the C-70, 5 seconds for 135 degrees, and 6 for 180. This is a completely different matter, you can launch all the missiles at a distance of 150% of the hit, turn around almost instantly and leave. Due to the Doppler effect and stealth, you will be almost impossible to notice
Я читал такое мнение, что при демонстрации таких маневров делается акцент не на саму возможность сделать такой маневр, а показать как работает двигатель при таких режимах.
Nope, it's 3D Thrust Vectoring, like the Su-35. While the application of it's maneuverability hasn't much use other than a close in Dogfight, which isn't in high Demand nowadays, but it was thought in the 50's and 60's the days of the dogfight were over, then came Vietnam, so, it just goes to show, ya never know.
They do it to get sales. Like when the F-14 and F-15 flew off for the Shah of Iran. The F-14 won because it moved its wings around and did an epic show.
The F22 lost in close combat to the French Rafale. And of course the F22 cannot do the same thing as a fighter with a 3D thrust vector. I am not criticizing the American fighter now, but it is a fact.
Yeah but like all meaningful combat is like bvr, in any case in dogfights depending on the plane ofc , pilot is more important than plane . In a 1v1 f-22 clears rafale 90% of the time , two pilots of equal skill I would put my money on the su-57 , but bvr ofc would be raptor
I think Gonky said it. These airshow maneuvers are just that. If you're in a fight, being slow at 1g isn't good period. It's how these things apply in real fights that's important like high alpha, high rates, etc
Uh, did you miss what Mover said about the impressive nose authority of the Su-57? Did you miss the follow-on comment where he said that having good nose authority is useful in combat?
The only thing that matters in new jets is who has nose on and can lock, if u are behind this thing hauling ass then it hits the j turn and ends up behind you, you are fked
The funny thing is no matter how an American pilot loves a Russian aircraft, they would never just come straight out and say it. When it reality they would love to be in that cockpit. I love it, but.. it's awesome, but..
Nose authority and a good thrust vectoring short range missile like the aim9x. With that manoeuvrability, speed, very good energy potential (twin powerful engines), and good missiles SRM, MRM, LRM, you will dictate the fight, you will always have that option to exit or to finish the fight to your advantage.
Guys, This is actually NOT a Su-57. It’s a late model T-50 Prototype, hence the slightly smokey engines and rough finish of the body (which has gotten alot of coverage) Russia is using it as a demo unit. Obviously the Su-57’s are ‘busy’ elsewhere
It's a su-57. YF-22 --> F-22 X-35 --> F-35 T-50 --> Su57 prototypes are supposed to be well made, hand crafted, high quality representations of their production counterparts. if the prototype isn't stealth, how can you know teh production model is? If you didn't test RAM and such on teh prototype, then how can you know the production model will? It's just a cope from Russia worshippers.
1) its got full 3D vectoring. 2) the smoke is supposed to be there. Show me any other plane doing the exact moves with high Gs, rapid accel and stops, different turbulence and air intakes etc not having a smoke? it doesnt exist. When it flies in a straight line, or does basic maneuvering, it doesn't smoke. 3) there's a see through the airplane visibility feature just like in the F35.
The problem is that manned fighters are rapidly becoming obsolete. They would be completely obsolete by now if the US Airforce decision makers weren’t all ex fighter pilots who won’t accept the idea. Just like WW2 Admirals had to watch expensive battle ships become irrelevant floating targets before they got the idea.
расскажи это пилотам на Украине.... так же говорили и про артиллерию (что устаревшее и т.п.), которая сейчас решает основные вопросы на поле боя на Украине (да и Израиль тоже не списывает ее из своих арсеналов войны)..... дело не в "пилотируемости" или нет, а в ТЕХНОЛОГИЯХ БОЯ и ВЕДЕНИЯ ВОЙНЫ.... По большому счету можно вообще обходится без ЧИСТО ВОЕННОЙ ТЕХНИКИ, если КРЕАТИВНО К ВОЙНЕ ПОДХОДИТЬ
It is always a question, is it a TVC engines or not, is it 2D or 3D? Well, the single engine on the Su-57 is 2D, but its pivot point is rotated by 36 degrees. A pair of these two engines together supply the 3D thrust vectoring. Because instead of the Raptor, where the nozzles are only moving up and down and only together, in this russian method, they are moving up/out and down/in, in a V-shape way, but even individually as well. So besides of the pitch, it could controll the roll and yaw effect as well. In raw term, the true 3D TVC was the American F-18 HARV (originated from the X-31), the F-16 MATV, the McDD F-15 ACTIVE and the russian RD-33 and AL-31 KliVT. In these engines, the nozzle was a fully axi-symmetrical 3D vectored, while Victor Chepkin-designed AN-100 nozzle is just a 2D one. However, this AN-100 was easier to applied on the AL-31F and later on the AL-41F-1S, than the fully 3D solution. The only disadvantage of the AN-100, it could not provide a 3D thrust vectoring alone. But since there is no TVC controlled single engine russian tactical fighter, this is not a case anymore.
Hey Mover/Gonky. I have a thought about the "Top Gun: Maverick" manoeuvres. I don't think the movie guessed that the aircraft could do - as Mover alludes to. I think the Russian test pilot is imitating what Hollywood's CGI did but the aircraft could do in real life - which is very impressive. Also, there was one "Dogfights" episode where a USAAF P-51D pilot was being chased by a Me-109 and he pulled the stick into his stomach and "full left rudder" which made the enemy aircraft behind him overshoot. He stalled and had to recover for the Su-57 - as Gonky says - can get nose authority and perhaps gain enough distance for a heat-seeker lock. Besides, in the airshows I've been to, you even see B777's and A330s doing shit they wouldn't do in real life.
This is the T-50 prototype not the Su-57, and the engines are the same as the Su-35 Al-41, the new engines are still in development and should be more powerful and not smoky as the old engines. The F-22 was made in the 90s, I don't think it's fair to compare with 2020s jet, that has all the moder features. And 100% better than an F-35 in my Hamble opinion😊
@@PfizerRN_NavyReserveCaptain the fight is never 1 vs. 1, its not DCS. You have support, intelligen and a lot of variables in any fight, the Russians have good avionics and EW on their fighters, don't underestimate you adversary. We just don't know what will happen when they will meet, if I want to fight, I want to fight with 10 to 1 ratio, and that's where the Russians have a problem, not the fighters.
Все эти манёвры могут быть применены в Ближнем бою. Вся суть заключается в том что самолëт прощает ошибки неумелого пилота. Чем больше ваш самолëт может в воздухе тем выше шансы на победу. Такой самолëт может легко расправится в Ближнем бою сразу с двумя вражескими самолëтами
that case when you drive a car with a six hundred horsepower engine, at the speed allowed by law, but those around you have no illusions about the capabilities of your car
04:10 yes it has 3D vector thrust. It can pitch, roll and yaw. Otherwise the Topgun manoeuvre wouldn’t be possible, cause you need the yaw thrust to spin the aircraft in a post-stall state.
No, the Su-57 doesn't have true "3D" thrust vectoring. The only russian jet that had an actual 3D thrust vectoring system was the MiG-29OVT demonstrator. The TVC on the current Su-57 is the same as on the Flankers. It's pitch only like the Raptor but unlike the Raptor, the nozzles movement is angled and can also point in opposite directions. That allows the vectored thrust system not only on the Su-57 but also Flankers like the Su-35S and Su-30SM to generate some mixed roll and yaw torque/momentum. Any unwanted roll or yaw movement is cancelled and compensated by the aero control surfaces. Btw, this so called 3D thrust vectoring is not required at all if you want an aircraft that can do lots of high AoA maneuvers that require a lot yaw motion. The F-22 for instance has pitch only vectoring and does J-turns and pedal turns effortlessly all the time.
I love LEVCONs and supermaneuverability in general, it's not much use but it's cool humans can make planes do this 120 years after the Wright brothers flight.
Wouldn't the purpose of that maneuver to demonstrate, that it can get out of it? If something happens, that the jet gets into a flat spin and having the means of getting out of it without ejecting is a good thing, isn't it? Pardon for my ignorance
When I watched this SU -57 performance I had an instant flash that took me to the X 31 "Vector" Paris Air Show in 1995. Just watch X-31 : Breaking the chain : lessons learned.
F22 Raptor : 0% combat experience against real super power army. 100% combat experience against Ballloon ❌ SU57 : 100% combat experience against Patriot, Iris T, Nasams, exct in Ukraine territory ✔
I love the stories about Tupolev, he was kinda the Russian Kelly Johnson. There's a story about how he was walking past someone else's scale model of a plane they were designing and Tupolev just points at a part on the fuselage ands goes "It will break here" and keeps walking. And, yup, when they got to testing it, it did indeed break there. Dunno if actually true, but it's a nice story.
Let's see the demo on the f-22 and f-35 and compare them side by side to this T-50. And while we're at it, let's get a 62 year old American pilot to fly the f-22 and f-35 to see what he does with them too just like the 62 year old russian pilot did with the T-50
What SU57? T50 research and test craft I was told. Now used for airshows. Closest thing to an su57, but not quite. Not millitairy grade. Hence the rough unpolished look we see in close up images. But that pilot, wow. Seems to be over sixty. Way past airforce retirement age. Still taking this stresses on his body like most will not endure in their prime. I know I signed up for rotorcraft. Went through the test. Then got assigned to the fighter program and said no ty. No rotor, then I am off. No fun passing out in that cetrifuge. Plus active duty is not like this. Here I could stay awake. On some missions. I know myself. I wake up slowly. Flying takes me into bore mode. And then one needs to be super sharp emdiatly of something demands so. Not for me. Glad I did not let myself be convinced. Had I gone in younger with less delf knowledge, I would have let me be pushed into the wrong seat. Plus I met Tom Cruise and he is a total sociopathic nutjob. As he showed on Letterman, laughing at him suffocating and braindamaging someone he was told to smugle in his plain. So a human traficker laughing about causing someone unneeded damage. FBI should pick that case up. They don't. So f them too. Ad all others that abducted, anesthecized that same person adding to damages for jobs he never signed up for. Our awesome American buds. Lord will judge them.
Not gonna lie, I don't see a point in judging aircraft from airshow demos. First - yeah, it's not a real combat situation and we do not see how good the weapons are. Second - it would be stupid to show the full extent of jet capabilities in an airshow for everyone (especially rivals) to know.
Couple of notes:
1) The demos at Zhuhai this year were flown by Sergey Bogdan, Sukhoi chief test pilot, aged 62. He's a legend, but age is slowing him down. Slightly.
2) The plane flown is an older T-50 prototype (specifically, T-50-7 [057 Blue]), so there's a lot of stuff that isn't here that is on a production Su-57. Sukhoi brought two prototypes down to show off - T-50-4 (Blue 054) on static display and T-50-7 (Blue 057) for flying.
3) The prototypes have 2.5d (angled 2D thrust vectoring, but the production models have new full 3D vectoring engines. We know this because they brought a couple of the engines down to show off too.
Source: I was literally in Zhuhai Friday traipsing through the airshow. Hell of a time. Very fun. Would recommend.
You confused T-50-7 with T-50-4. They have very straightforward bortnumbers, easily identifiable.
Don't forget the pilot is 60+ yrs veteran, flew 4000 km to the airshow with no G suits or fancy gear, just tshirt and jacket......
Well he was going pretty slow… so I can that.
It's so weird to see this be brought up. I just knew when the image leaked and was being talked about you would see a lot of very low IQ people pretending the guy is "hardcore" just because he flew in a straight line for 4000 km to an airshow.
It really just goes to show how your average russkie fanboy is at the mental age of a child.
Other video that pilot his age 62 age, and he came without a big team. He made everything himself.And the most surprising thing is that he landed in China and got out of the jet fighter without wearing a G suit, just wearing a tactical jacket,He is an experienced pilot who has flown various aircraft.
Yeah, the guy have the medal equivalent of medal of honor in russia.
@@dharmdevil He is a hero of Russia - this is the highest military award
The guy is the chief test pilot at Sukhoi company.
he actually hop a couple of airport to get to zhuhai. imagine being the chinese airport ground crew watching a SU57 randomly pull up to the tarmac for refuelling... xD
that's actually where some of the close in video are from...
Thanks Gonky for staying objective, shame Mover had a bad day.
Yeah like how do you act like High AoA isnt extremely usefull when combined with fox2's like R73M
It's awesome
Mover didn't have a bad day. He had a differing opinion. That's all.
If you look closely C.W. Lemoine is not a happy camper when Gonky talks about nose authority and dogfights ...
No matter what the detractors say, the Su-57 is a badass jet.
facts
Why has it not gained air superiority over Ukraine then?
EXACTLY!
@@warfarenotwarfair5655 Because the demo models have special upgraded engines that have a 200h lifespan tops.
The serial production engines they can't get the performance done for the new engines without burning through them within a few hundred hours.
That's the reason they can't be deployed - for this reason, the serial production is still running old 1970 Soviet Engines.. but then you can't pull off any of the stunts you see in this video.
@ Russia 100% has air superiority in Ukraine. Whatever exists of ukraine’s air force they barely fly if they do it’s likely they’ll be shot down. Russia has not produced a large number of SU-57s yet but they don’t need them in Ukraine.
The Mover guy is a bit jealous. He knows this plane is awesome. It is only a 10 year old prototype : T 50. We can only imagine what the SU 57 fitted with new engine could be able to do. Bogdan is something else.
Too bad radar guided missiles don't care about acrobatics and no one actually dog-fights in modern warfare
@@sph1988these missiles spend its energy quickly and Out of no escape zone, Fighter jets can dodge the missiles while firing its own missiles to enemy jets
@@sagarbhandari9296 Maybe in a sim.
Modern air combat is almost always BVR.
Impractical manoeuvres at airshows are used to demonstrate the capabilities of the aircraft. They are not necessarily made to demonstrate actual combat manoeuvres.
Чем более манерный самолёт , там меньше его заметность на радарах и вы это должны знать .
Gonky got smoked by an Su30 during BFM training when that sukohoi pulled a J-turn during a one circle fight, and there's a video of it. So yeah there's a practical use with all those high-alpha fancy maneuvers that people called "not practical"
Pretty sure he was referencing the kvochurs bell specifically having no practical use in combat. It looks cool but its effectiveness in any scenario is dubious at best. I don’t think anyone will argue with high alpha capability being useful in dogfight scenarios.
@@RenesisActual It's not meant for combat, but meant to show off that capability. Cobra and bell could be translated into a useful combat maneuver. J turn for example is a nasty move and from a plane that has the yaw authority as the felon(thanks to its 3d vectoring), it's a deadly AF.
@@dharmdevil which is WHY we don't want to fight the Russians! Their fighters, being objectively superior to ours, are deadly AF.
Smoked? He bested that pilot 3 out 3 😂. Clearly you didn't watch it. Another absurd Canadian.
@@dharmdevilYet Gonky easily beat the SU-30 pilot 3 out of 3 in a Super Hornet.
You can be Patriotic and proud of your own airplanes, but at least be objective and non biased as an "Expert" . This Mover guy sounds like he hates anything Russian without knowing why exactly. I'm sure this guy voted for Kamala
'he hates anything Russian without knowing why exactly. I'm sure this guy voted for Kamala' - How are those things connected?
@@TransoceanicOutreachBecause being a supporter of LGBT, BLM, Ukraine, gender reassignment, abortions, while hating Russia and China and low intelligence are exactly the signs of leftist fascists who are always for Kamala.
@TransoceanicOutreach why? Same type of people who hate without knowing why exactly they hate. Something like you I would imagine
@@igorkrizanac1260 spot on! jewlywood induced russian hate... they dont know even know why, and when you ask why they get mad because they realize they have no arguments.
A 3 to 7 day special military operation.
Mover is acting like a jealous friend that can’t admit you’re better than him in a sport. That plane is absolutely awesome in its capabilities and will give any and all of our fighters fits after the merge.
F-22 ain't scared.
@@Karoke77 no, but unlike the F-22, the Russians can build more Su-57s...
@@markymarknj you do realize Russia economy is like the size of Texas right?
@@markymarknj and it’s going to take a lot of su57’s to take a f22 down.
@@bobbyraejohnsonYou print so many dollars in your shitty America that nominal figures are meaningless. Your fighter costs hundreds of millions of dollars, while the Russian one costs a couple dozen.
Guys, the thing you all did not know? Mention? is that when Sergi (the test pilot) stepped out of the plane he had no g suit or anything, just slacks and a decent t shirt and his helmet.. Sergi is 62, and the test pilot for Suhoi.. Also this is the 2nd aircraft built, and is actually a T-50. The production Su-57s are quite different - different engines and stealth baffles over and beneath the engine nozzles. He flew the plane from Moscow with one stop and no support or maintenance crew.
There were photos of T-50 being pulled out of a transport. So no, he did not fly all the way.
slow speed demo doesn't have much Gs pulled
@@gdiwolverinemale4th there are 2 T-50s. One was flown and the other one was transported
@@gdiwolverinemale4th the second plane was for the presentation of the new engine, and the presentation of the plane itself to potential future buyers. the show was private
@@specc_s1452 Sukhoi definitely does not share its organizational details with me, but I find the idea a prototype of an airplane would fly 10,000 miles to an air show somewhat far-fetched
How can military aviators not know that the Su57 has 3D thrust vectoring? Shocking
Calm down buddy. They d know everything about it if they where still active duty. Mover & Gonky both retired years ago✌🏽 if you were an airline pilot: Would you get up everyday and study red air? No you wouldnt 😉
@@MH-lh1bfDude almost every DCS player knows this stuff , so real pilots especially if they make such videos should educate themselves . Just use Google , 5 minutes of work .
@@MH-lh1bfnot active duty, but their new gig with YT revolves around their supposed "up to date" knowledge of military aircraft and flight/fight tactics in the air.
this isn't a production Su57, it is using a flanker engine...
In denial
F22 scraptor flying like that, only if Tom Cruise is a pilot. 😂
Ooo man, the Hollywood really fck you up.
These guys never value anything that isn't American. If the f22 does the same maneuvers it's fantastic but if a Russian fighter does it they'll question what the practical use is.
Double standard.
Sorry, maybe I haven't looking enough, but I have never seen F22 doing anything similar.
Honestly, I don’t get it. Anything that isn’t American isn’t good enough except the fact that 32 countries still can’t push Russia out of Ukraine
@@davidrobert7180 because those 32 countries are inidividual volenteers and arms support, and most volenteers already leave Ukraine after the first two years. they ain't sending their unit in like the middle east.
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At least f22 is stealthy.
Su 57 is not stealthy. Its designers say as much.
To the Mover antirussian guy some info...
First of all this a prototype T-10, one of the earliest ever made, this jet has assembled and reassembled so many times for testing purposes and thats why you can see some parts not looking good, its been used only for testing and air-shows and its one of the 2 prototype T-10s(out of 10 prototypes or so) that Sukhoi still owns for their own testing and demonstrations. The Russians for obvious reasons they did not want to send an active production Su-57s which btw they are around 30+ active production ones.
Secondly, it does have 3D thrust vectoring, the T-50 and the serial production series Su-57s until now are using the same engine from the Su-35, the AL-41F1, according to Rostec most likely in 2025 they will delivered the first Su-57s with the new 5th gen second state engine AL-51 that has even greater thrust, it is lighter, better fuel consumption, has longer life cycle and its futures a significant reduced in thermal and radar signature.
Third, I dont know why this Mover guy complains about the maneuvers, this is an air-show, what do you expect a crowd to see, a BVR demonstration and how good the radar works?
And last fourth, no way the F-22 cant match this kind of manoeuvrability and I have seen most of the F-22s air-shows.
So before you do a reaction video, at least do a decent research so you wont get embarrassed by your lack of knowledge and the bias BS statements.
the F-22 and F-15EX can match the maneuverability. But none of that matters in a BVR fight. The Ukraine Patriot battery was able to detect the Su-57 from beyond patriot missile range, thus it's not a stealth aircraft at all, and can be detected and shot down BVR.
The fact it's a prototype doesn't matter. prototypes are meant to be representative test beds of the real thing. how can you teste a stealth, that's not a stealth? Su-57 have already been lost in the Ukraine war. Literally every model of russian fighter in existence today has an abysmal combat record against western 4th gen fighters and air defenses. they lack the sophisticate technological capabilities of the west, always have. They can't produce advanced electronics in russia, and have imported American chips to build their stuff.
Mover complains about the maneuver, becasue like every other russian fighter, it's flashy, but useless maneuver in actual combat. US pilots don't fly nor fight solo. so while that maneuver might throw off or threaten a fighter, his wingman would just then shoot the defenseless Su-57 hanging in the air and save his wingman. even F-22 pilots stopped using such maneuvers in visual merged dogfights as they found them to be useless.
@@SoloRenegade Whats your source on su-57 being detected by patriot?
You said 'Su-57 have already been lost in the Ukraine war' - when?where? Im pretty sure internet would explode from this sort of news..
'Mover complains about the maneuver, becasue like every other russian fighter, it's flashy, but useless maneuver in actual combat.' Like the man said... its an air-show ... I bet you hed be praising and not complaining not one bit if it was f35s and f22s making them. Mover just bring an image of a 'bad loser' to me.
So in saying that no way a F22 can't match this maneuverability, is that F22 does match this maneuverability?
Really any clean GEN4/GEN5 jet still in service offers up an impressive display. You can go find videos of clean Hornets, Super Hornets, F15EX variants, etc, etc putting on a display, and if you read the comments they're full of people saying things like, "holy chit I didn't know they could do that!" or "I didn't know that plane had thrust vectoring capabilities." (when said plane doesn't have thrust vectoring) The real question is how can these aircraft maneuver when setup with real world, combat loadouts.?.?
@@SoloRenegade All stealth aircraft can be detected on radar. If a radar track has the radar cross section of a duck, but is moving at mach 1.5, what kind of conclusion are you going to come to? The point of stealth is to minimise cross section in those frequency bands used for guiding missiles.
We're pretty fortunate that the only times Soviet designed aircraft have gone up against Western aircraft is, what - Iraq? The Iraqi military in Desert Storm was a joke. Taking that down is not something to brag about.
"Su-57 have already been lost in the Ukraine war. Literally every model of russian fighter in existence today has an abysmal combat record against western 4th gen fighters and air defenses. they lack the sophisticate technological capabilities of the west, always have. They can't produce advanced electronics in russia, and have imported American chips to build their stuff." - you got sources for these claims or what? When I worked in Russia there was a microchip factory which produces chips for military use on the scale required for mobile phones, so I already know that one is false.
@@SoloRenegade do you really believe in that ukrainian statement about detecting Su-57?) And wtf are you talking about lost Su57 in Ukraine? Where did you take this info?
Just a 61 year old armchair pilot here, i can remember when the MiG-29s and Su-27s debuted at airshows here in the UK. Their wing/body blending aesthetic and maneuvers i hadnt seen by any western aircraft were awesome to see though regardless of the practical applications in actual combat.
yes, and they still have that beautiful aesthetic. but in combat they have so far proven inept against western fighters. The Mig29 is all but out of production with few countries still operating them for example.
The pilot flying this jet is 63 years old, so yeah.
If only we saw them at Airshows in the UK today..
I would love to see the Russian aircraft in person.
Mover is so salty 🧂🧂🧂😂😂😂
@@SoloRenegade сколько было реальных боёв су-27 и миг 29 с западными самолётами??? В Югославии когда пара миг 29 полетела на встречу армаде из сотен самолётов? Или в Ираке 10 миг 29 против сотен самолётов западной коалиции ???
Thank you Gonky for being realistic about it. Mover to me is like that 5 year old whose dad is the best with everything.
So many salty Ivan's in these comments.
@@TC2290-wh5cb Go back to your room, Mover
Ha. Mover has always been a jerk. Never more unlikeable than that time he pouted over the audio of that SU-34 pilot who evaded the Uki missile.
@@TC2290-wh5cb ... commenting on salty Mover's commentary
@@gdiwolverinemale4th Shh Ivan.
SU-57 is bad ass !! Superior to F-35 for 1/3 the cost
so for 1 f-35 you get 3 russian f22s
EXACTLY! That's why we want to avoid a war with them. Unlike our F-22, which is cancelled and out of production, the Russians can produce as many Su-57s as they want.
lol imagine asking the practicality of a maneuvers at air show
Imagine people getting so butt hurt like you.
I am so touched by their arguments about applicability in real combat, about the combat situation... And these are guys from the air force of a country that, since the days of Yugoslavia and Iraq, has not dealt with at least any air defense system, let alone air battles. How much arrogance from the parade warriors, the whole service was to patrol and escort.. Guys, envy doesn't make you look good.
Yeah. I would take the words and experience of a Ukrainian pilot over them FR. Those guys and the Russian pilots have actual REAL modern warfare experience. It;s the Ukrainians who should be training the US pilots but their ego probably wouldn't allow that.
false. US dealt with air defense in Vietnam, Desert Storm, Syria, and more. 1991 saw the US destroy the worlds densest air defense network on planet earth in about a week with 4th gen aircraft. and US aircraft are penetrating Iran, Syrian, etc. air defenses with impunity today.
All of the top russian fighters have been shot down in droves in combat over the decades (Mig29, Su-27, Su-30, Su-34, etc), and su-57 have also already been destroyed in combat.
Soon they will call you an Ivan, be prepared
@@SoloRenegadeSU 57 SHOT DOWN !?..😅
@@SoloRenegade Dude, wake up or stop drinking stuff.
I am in a cave in Africa with my star link internet and a few Pet lions guarding the cave entrance watching this video with my chilled Heineken in my hands. This SU - 57 pilot amazed everyone around the world, except for a few sceptics. Bravo to the super performance.
Are you Wagner?
😅
Can confirm, I am Heineken
The SU 57 is an Angel Michael
As an aviation enthusiast I don't really care for people's saltiness on a Russian airplane over their political bias. Su-57 is a great plane and when you put that in the hands of a great pilot it is destined to produce awesome results. It's an air show and this is what exactly what they are going to showcase. It's true that F-22 is still cool and deadly but that shouldn't prevent us from appreciating something else that's awesome.(sorry Mover, but lighten up a little bit mate 😛) For me when it comes to tech - it doesn't matter where the origin is. There's a reason why people still love Tiger tanks, FW-109s and Japanese Zeros from WW2.
It is not only about planes, Sergey Bogdan is one of the best pilots in the world. He was probably not even wearing g suit for this flight.
@@user-di5rm9ee1p yeah, I too heard that he wasn't wearing a G suit. He's definitely a pro and this airshow stunts must have been a cakewalk for him. Anyway I'm still glad both Mover and Gonky appreciating a fellow pilot on his capabilities like gentlemen.
From engineering perspective, that airframe is a work of art. Absolute domination over physics.
nope. Russian aircraft lack sophisticated avionics, as we've seen in Ukraine. the Su-57 was picked up by patriot outside Patriot missile range (not stealth). Maneuverability counts for nothing in BVR fights. Russian aircraft have all proven inept in actual combat and lack advanced capabilities.
What's the F22 deadly against exactly? Hot air balloons are about all its actually gone up against... 😂
that one is no the su-57, its Pak - T 50 prototype
two Americans cooking in their own nostalgic sauce with a touch of envy! Keep it up guys!
Russian war pilots have the most up to date and direct experience in the world right now, if you add to this a good airplane... you know 😉
They'd die by the dozens on day 1 if this conflict spilled over. Had it been the US invading Ukraine they would've established near total air supremacy over the bulk of the country in less than 100 hours. Russia has absolutely failed to accomplish this feat after nearly 3 years. They can only maintain limited superiority over select portions of the front lines. The USAF would utterly destroy the VKS, don't fool yourself into thinkin' otherwise.
@@FraserFir-sb4lk The United States bases its experience against a regular army on the “heroics” of Vietnam. What you write here is based on the Hollywood experience 😅
@@MegaPopilu Boy, the US could field and logistically support a combined quarter of a million men for a decade straight. In 2 separate countries over 6,000 miles from home. Russia can't move half that many men 120 miles into a neighboring country with a shared land border without a severe logistics breakdown in less than a week. We wasted nearly 2.5 times the entirety of Russia's GDP in GWOT and our economy still grew, and we maintained our status as the world's largest economy. Russia would be so bankrupt every little Natasha and Lyudmila would be lettin' anyone stick anything they want up their turd-chutes for a $5 bill and a potato.
No, they wouldn't win a conventional war with the US. They'd get stacked like cordwood. Putin has to hide behind the nuclear bitch switch, child.
I remember when Putin talked about the Sarmat, Avangard, Yars and Kinzhal missiles, the British and American and many Western media laughed and said that these were cartoons. And I remember when Putin talked about the newest Su-57 fighter, many Western media also laughed. As the Russians say: he who laughs last laughs best. This Kinzhal is the one that destroyed the Patriot system near Kiev and Kharkov, launched from this very model of aircraft. Great respect to the 62-year-old Russian pilot. Russia, only forward!
1st of all it's not Su 57, it's PAK FA prototype
I like theese guys! No offense, no stupid political declarations, just a proffessional discussion. Thanks, and best regards from Russia!
Everyone is so Jealous yet can't help admiring the performance of the plane and professionalism of the pilot!
Mover : Watch this landing!
Gonky : Wow, dude, yeah.
That was just fun. A couple of dudes enjoying a machine and the skill of the pilot. Just a few minutes of escape from the day to day grind. No politics, no over the top hype. Airshows are awesome. Thanks gents.
01:24 is this guy for real?! It's an AIRSHOW not a combat scenario! The "practical application" is to show the maneuverability of the aircraft and entertain the public...
Are you for real?.. pay attention to what they actually said.
Did you miss the part where Gonky said that these maneuvers gave the Russian fighters better nose authority? Did you miss the part where he said that said nose authority would be useful in a fight?
@@markymarknj I'm talking about what the other guy said hence the video timestamp at the beginning of my comment...
I hate to say it but that's one cool jet, from the paint job to it's acrobatic abilities.
Not an Su-57 or Su-57M with new engines, but 4th protoype as T-50. But good to hear a statement without prejudice.
It's a su-57.
YF-22 --> F-22
X-35 --> F-35
T-50 --> Su57
prototypes are supposed to be well made, hand crafted, high quality representations of their production counterparts. if the prototype isn't stealth, how can you know teh production model is? If you didn't test RAM and such on teh prototype, then how can you know the production model will?
It's just a cope from Russia worshippers.
F22 smoke as well.
This thing the T 50 a prototype of the su 57 so it’s kinda a stripped down version without any of the important stuff
Т-50 это первое имя этого изделия, позже он получил официальное название су-57.
@@Parim_pravilno Ты не понял. Это прототип.
Which was disassemble and assembled back probably 20 times.
The F22 and F35 engines also smoke a lot with a sharp change in RPM. But somehow nobody cares.
Because they are the best of the best of the best, sir yes sir! u s a, u s a! 😂😂😂
Вы чё дурачки🤡? Этот самолёт имеет и практическое применение именно благодаря манёврам, Су-57 доказал это в СВО, не одна американская, западная система ПВО не могла ничего поделать с Су-57, а наоборот Су-57 уничтожал все эти западные ПВО без напряга!🤣
For those questioning the focus on maneuverability in fighter jets, think about it like this: it's similar to asking why soldiers need to be fit or athletic if they use automatic weapons in battle. Both questions have the same answer.
Yeah... Even experienced traditionally trained pilot like Mover sometimes struggles to grasp the practical applications of supermaneuvrability. Oh well..
Did Mover fly the Hornet? Gonky seem to fly more in the Hornet so i guess he can think of more scenarios when high alpha moves are more applicable
@@hippoace He did, or rather he mainly flew the viper but also he did get some time on the hornet when he was on exchange with the US Navy, so he flew both
I think his point was more that it's not super useful in a modern combat space. Even Gonky seemed to indicate that its mostly useful in a gun fight. But in modern times, when you can shoot missiles at planes behind you or shoot at planes well past the horizon, I'm not sure how often you're going to get a chance to use guns. Whoever gets the first good missile shot off is likely going to be the victor. Especially when preventing friendly fire is so much easier with the way modern US fighters communicate with each other and allies (ie don't need physical confirmation before firing, a la Vietnam).
When you're being targeted by a true stealth fighter from BVR or AA missiles like Patriot, it's pretty useless. If you're in a Vietman era dogfight, sure, it's useful.
@@TC2290-wh5cb In fact, it is much more useful in long-range air combat. With increasing altitude, the air loses density and the control surfaces become less efficient. How long will it take for the viper to turn 180 degrees at an altitude of 10km and at a speed of 1M? About 20 seconds. This is the time it takes for a rocket to fly 20-30 km, you just don't have time to get away from the impact. How long will the Su-30/35/57 take? Judging by a recent video from the C-70, 5 seconds for 135 degrees, and 6 for 180. This is a completely different matter, you can launch all the missiles at a distance of 150% of the hit, turn around almost instantly and leave. Due to the Doppler effect and stealth, you will be almost impossible to notice
Truth is that F22+F35 is SU 57
Neither of those American planes have exposed rivets lol
@@Ozchuckprototype model, irrelevant
How many su57s are in service? How many hours do russian pilots fly in a year? 😅
How is the replacement parts supply and maintenance situation in russia? 😅
Я читал такое мнение, что при демонстрации таких маневров делается акцент не на саму возможность сделать такой маневр, а показать как работает двигатель при таких режимах.
Nope, it's 3D Thrust Vectoring, like the Su-35. While the application of it's maneuverability hasn't much use other than a close in Dogfight, which isn't in high Demand nowadays, but it was thought in the 50's and 60's the days of the dogfight were over, then came Vietnam, so, it just goes to show, ya never know.
MOVER: "What is the practical application of this part?"
GRONKY: "It's awesome."
Its impressive because its the old pak 50 not even the final su57 with new al41 engines!!
Excellent early warning radar and long range missiles
They do it to get sales.
Like when the F-14 and F-15 flew off for the Shah of Iran.
The F-14 won because it moved its wings around and did an epic show.
The F22 lost in close combat to the French Rafale. And of course the F22 cannot do the same thing as a fighter with a 3D thrust vector. I am not criticizing the American fighter now, but it is a fact.
Yeah but like all meaningful combat is like bvr, in any case in dogfights depending on the plane ofc , pilot is more important than plane . In a 1v1 f-22 clears rafale 90% of the time , two pilots of equal skill I would put my money on the su-57 , but bvr ofc would be raptor
I think Gonky said it. These airshow maneuvers are just that. If you're in a fight, being slow at 1g isn't good period. It's how these things apply in real fights that's important like high alpha, high rates, etc
Uh, did you miss what Mover said about the impressive nose authority of the Su-57? Did you miss the follow-on comment where he said that having good nose authority is useful in combat?
@@markymarknjAre you Russian or Chinese?
Yeah yeah,.. 😂
The only thing that matters in new jets is who has nose on and can lock, if u are behind this thing hauling ass then it hits the j turn and ends up behind you, you are fked
Objective
Nice to appreciate good airmanship
The funny thing is no matter how an American pilot loves a Russian aircraft, they would never just come straight out and say it. When it reality they would love to be in that cockpit.
I love it, but.. it's awesome, but..
Airmen always respect each other even if they're enemies.
Unless your Mover😂
That’s an amazing demo
Aerobatic displays and practical combat are two different things
Did you hear them say that having good nose authority will help getting a shot at the enemy?
Nose authority and a good thrust vectoring short range missile like the aim9x.
With that manoeuvrability, speed, very good energy potential (twin powerful engines), and good missiles SRM, MRM, LRM, you will dictate the fight, you will always have that option to exit or to finish the fight to your advantage.
But when the F-22 does this it's cool and very practical...
@@Foquro Considering the F-22 was doing this 20 years ago... Yeah.
@@smugfrog8111 Considering that SU-27 is doing it for 47 years, yeah 😂
Guys, This is actually NOT a Su-57. It’s a late model T-50 Prototype, hence the slightly smokey engines and rough finish of the body (which has gotten alot of coverage) Russia is using it as a demo unit. Obviously the Su-57’s are ‘busy’ elsewhere
It's a su-57.
YF-22 --> F-22
X-35 --> F-35
T-50 --> Su57
prototypes are supposed to be well made, hand crafted, high quality representations of their production counterparts. if the prototype isn't stealth, how can you know teh production model is? If you didn't test RAM and such on teh prototype, then how can you know the production model will?
It's just a cope from Russia worshippers.
aka an early su57, imagine the production sukhois
This is not a prototype, this is a decoy of a 5th generation fighter
@@cyberdemon6517 the production sukhois are in rough shape, many have been shot down.
@ yeah ok… let’s wait for ‘fat Aimee’ to do the same routine hey? 😉
F-22 and SU-57M . . . Those two jets are something different and special !
The best demo I've seen,falling leaf,slow motion
"It's a raptor like. Like a raptor". Yeah. How comes I have never seen any raptor presenting anything even close?
Superb handling of the Su-57 Felon with pilot Sergey Bogdan at the controls! Just look at the short take off and crazy turn and landing!
SU50 prototype not SU57...... Do your homework man!
1) its got full 3D vectoring.
2) the smoke is supposed to be there. Show me any other plane doing the exact moves with high Gs, rapid accel and stops, different turbulence and air intakes etc not having a smoke? it doesnt exist. When it flies in a straight line, or does basic maneuvering, it doesn't smoke.
3) there's a see through the airplane visibility feature just like in the F35.
The problem is that manned fighters are rapidly becoming obsolete. They would be completely obsolete by now if the US Airforce decision makers weren’t all ex fighter pilots who won’t accept the idea. Just like WW2 Admirals had to watch expensive battle ships become irrelevant floating targets before they got the idea.
расскажи это пилотам на Украине.... так же говорили и про артиллерию (что устаревшее и т.п.), которая сейчас решает основные вопросы на поле боя на Украине (да и Израиль тоже не списывает ее из своих арсеналов войны)..... дело не в "пилотируемости" или нет, а в ТЕХНОЛОГИЯХ БОЯ и ВЕДЕНИЯ ВОЙНЫ.... По большому счету можно вообще обходится без ЧИСТО ВОЕННОЙ ТЕХНИКИ, если КРЕАТИВНО К ВОЙНЕ ПОДХОДИТЬ
Mover is clearly salty over the performance of this remarkable plane. Credit where credit is due.
It is always a question, is it a TVC engines or not, is it 2D or 3D? Well, the single engine on the Su-57 is 2D, but its pivot point is rotated by 36 degrees. A pair of these two engines together supply the 3D thrust vectoring. Because instead of the Raptor, where the nozzles are only moving up and down and only together, in this russian method, they are moving up/out and down/in, in a V-shape way, but even individually as well. So besides of the pitch, it could controll the roll and yaw effect as well. In raw term, the true 3D TVC was the American F-18 HARV (originated from the X-31), the F-16 MATV, the McDD F-15 ACTIVE and the russian RD-33 and AL-31 KliVT. In these engines, the nozzle was a fully axi-symmetrical 3D vectored, while Victor Chepkin-designed AN-100 nozzle is just a 2D one. However, this AN-100 was easier to applied on the AL-31F and later on the AL-41F-1S, than the fully 3D solution. The only disadvantage of the AN-100, it could not provide a 3D thrust vectoring alone. But since there is no TVC controlled single engine russian tactical fighter, this is not a case anymore.
У болтуна подгорает. Хорошо
Love the review. But at the very least ya gotta admit that plane can get SKINNY if it needs to, even if it is the size of tennis court.
Hey Mover/Gonky. I have a thought about the "Top Gun: Maverick" manoeuvres. I don't think the movie guessed that the aircraft could do - as Mover alludes to. I think the Russian test pilot is imitating what Hollywood's CGI did but the aircraft could do in real life - which is very impressive. Also, there was one "Dogfights" episode where a USAAF P-51D pilot was being chased by a Me-109 and he pulled the stick into his stomach and "full left rudder" which made the enemy aircraft behind him overshoot. He stalled and had to recover for the Su-57 - as Gonky says - can get nose authority and perhaps gain enough distance for a heat-seeker lock.
Besides, in the airshows I've been to, you even see B777's and A330s doing shit they wouldn't do in real life.
I just love how it looks.
This is the T-50 prototype not the Su-57, and the engines are the same as the Su-35 Al-41, the new engines are still in development and should be more powerful and not smoky as the old engines.
The F-22 was made in the 90s, I don't think it's fair to compare with 2020s jet, that has all the moder features.
And 100% better than an F-35 in my Hamble opinion😊
For WVR, the Su-57 is better than the F-35. For BVR, I'll put my money on the F-35.
Russian and Chinese modern features aren't the same as U.s. modern features.
@@markymarknj NEVER going to see an F-35 get into a WVR envelope. Fight would be over long before that
Don't underestimate the F-35.
@@PfizerRN_NavyReserveCaptain the fight is never 1 vs. 1, its not DCS.
You have support, intelligen and a lot of variables in any fight, the Russians have good avionics and EW on their fighters, don't underestimate you adversary.
We just don't know what will happen when they will meet, if I want to fight, I want to fight with 10 to 1 ratio, and that's where the Russians have a problem, not the fighters.
mover's joy is highly contagious
Honesty is the best
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Move over, Flying Tennis Court
Here comes the Flying Football Field
How can you not be impressed
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The thrust vectoring is not 2d like the raptors, the nozzles are able to move all in a circle
5:03 is the 'Top Gun' maneuver, not the 'falling leaf'.
it's okay to enjoy an awesome aircraft, where ever it came from. each aircraft has its respective edges.
Все эти манёвры могут быть применены в Ближнем бою. Вся суть заключается в том что самолëт прощает ошибки неумелого пилота. Чем больше ваш самолëт может в воздухе тем выше шансы на победу. Такой самолëт может легко расправится в Ближнем бою сразу с двумя вражескими самолëтами
The capability is only as good as the average squadron pilot. What a uniquely talented display pilot can do, practicing stunts, is another matter
Full flying verticals and horizontals.
that case when you drive a car with a six hundred horsepower engine, at the speed allowed by law, but those around you have no illusions about the capabilities of your car
The plane looks amazing and it has amazing manoeuvrability but so does a Red Bull racing plane or the Yak 110 and you don't see them as warplanes.
1:17, Post stall maneuvers like those are perfect in a missile dogfight or if the situation is right, the bandit overshoots.
Whole lotta comments from accounts with numbers at the end 😂 Relax comrade.
Love Gonkys enthusiasm. 🤗
04:10 yes it has 3D vector thrust. It can pitch, roll and yaw. Otherwise the Topgun manoeuvre wouldn’t be possible, cause you need the yaw thrust to spin the aircraft in a post-stall state.
No, the Su-57 doesn't have true "3D" thrust vectoring.
The only russian jet that had an actual 3D thrust vectoring system was the MiG-29OVT demonstrator.
The TVC on the current Su-57 is the same as on the Flankers.
It's pitch only like the Raptor but unlike the Raptor, the nozzles movement is angled and can also point in opposite directions.
That allows the vectored thrust system not only on the Su-57 but also Flankers like the Su-35S and Su-30SM to generate some mixed roll and yaw torque/momentum.
Any unwanted roll or yaw movement is cancelled and compensated by the aero control surfaces.
Btw, this so called 3D thrust vectoring is not required at all if you want an aircraft that can do lots of high AoA maneuvers that require a lot yaw motion.
The F-22 for instance has pitch only vectoring and does J-turns and pedal turns effortlessly all the time.
@@deltasierracharlie How far can you delude yourself into cope buddy
@@deltasierracharlielol what sort of cope it has 3D TV 😂 get over it
I love LEVCONs and supermaneuverability in general, it's not much use but it's cool humans can make planes do this 120 years after the Wright brothers flight.
Wouldn't the purpose of that maneuver to demonstrate, that it can get out of it? If something happens, that the jet gets into a flat spin and having the means of getting out of it without ejecting is a good thing, isn't it? Pardon for my ignorance
Powerful engines massive thrust on a leaf 🍁🍂
Thank you for sharing your insights on the display 😊 cheers
When I watched this SU -57 performance I had an instant flash that took me to the X 31 "Vector" Paris Air Show in 1995. Just watch X-31 : Breaking the chain : lessons learned.
F22 Raptor : 0% combat experience against real super power army. 100% combat experience against Ballloon ❌
SU57 : 100% combat experience against Patriot, Iris T, Nasams, exct in Ukraine territory ✔
The SU-57 is so awesome that it would be criminal to let it fight in a real combat and risk loosing it 😉
They borrowed the tail from the YF-23.
I have a proposal. Simulated dogfighting as a professional sport. I'd pay money I don't have to see Gonky in a Hornet vs the SU-57.
That would be a short and decisive fight... with the SU57 doing barrel rolls on its victory lap.. 😂
"A beautiful plane does not fly badly" ©A.N. Tupolev
I love the stories about Tupolev, he was kinda the Russian Kelly Johnson. There's a story about how he was walking past someone else's scale model of a plane they were designing and Tupolev just points at a part on the fuselage ands goes "It will break here" and keeps walking.
And, yup, when they got to testing it, it did indeed break there. Dunno if actually true, but it's a nice story.
Let's see the demo on the f-22 and f-35 and compare them side by side to this T-50. And while we're at it, let's get a 62 year old American pilot to fly the f-22 and f-35 to see what he does with them too just like the 62 year old russian pilot did with the T-50
What SU57? T50 research and test craft I was told. Now used for airshows. Closest thing to an su57, but not quite. Not millitairy grade. Hence the rough unpolished look we see in close up images. But that pilot, wow. Seems to be over sixty. Way past airforce retirement age. Still taking this stresses on his body like most will not endure in their prime. I know I signed up for rotorcraft. Went through the test. Then got assigned to the fighter program and said no ty. No rotor, then I am off. No fun passing out in that cetrifuge. Plus active duty is not like this. Here I could stay awake. On some missions. I know myself. I wake up slowly. Flying takes me into bore mode. And then one needs to be super sharp emdiatly of something demands so. Not for me. Glad I did not let myself be convinced. Had I gone in younger with less delf knowledge, I would have let me be pushed into the wrong seat. Plus I met Tom Cruise and he is a total sociopathic nutjob. As he showed on Letterman, laughing at him suffocating and braindamaging someone he was told to smugle in his plain. So a human traficker laughing about causing someone unneeded damage. FBI should pick that case up. They don't. So f them too. Ad all others that abducted, anesthecized that same person adding to damages for jobs he never signed up for. Our awesome American buds. Lord will judge them.
I love your dynamic, Gonky and Mover. Do not grow to hate each other.
... Why would they??
Not gonna lie, I don't see a point in judging aircraft from airshow demos. First - yeah, it's not a real combat situation and we do not see how good the weapons are. Second - it would be stupid to show the full extent of jet capabilities in an airshow for everyone (especially rivals) to know.
I would be more worried about the chinese Jets. Hope Mover and Gonky will cover them soon.