Indian history and the Indian imagination
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as an Indian i can't thank you enough for your work
Am from Kerala...bro we got the most atheist people here (not communist )..we got 7000people gathered in an atheistic programme called 'Essense '
Essence is basically an Islamophobic hate group.
that's a problem i would say. why would you want to gather atheist people together. the very fundamentals of atheism is to neglect this group thinking and cult behaviour and herd mentality.
I don't understand are you guys trying to form your own religion and call it atheism ? an atheist is alone mostly you don't need people to validate your thoughts and beliefs.
@dark_philosopher._.758 Interfering someones personal beliefs is breaking their mental peace main bolta hoon when I m alone I prey for god to give me strength to fight the situation when there’s no one behind me and it makes me feel better toh mere liye god is form me exist karta hai ab isko scienfically jaise bhi proof karo agar mujhe piece chahiye agar mujhe motivation chahiye jo ki koi de nahi raha tab this believes ki koi nahi ha mtlb bhagwaan hai will push me up mujhe down feel hota hai toh main bhagwaad geeta padhke agar mujhe motivation milta hai then where’s is the problem brother??? Jaha tak existence ka mamla hai we r commenting on the existence of someone wich is beyond our persistence knowledge by the help of persistence knowledge?? What kind of intellectuality is this??
And being anti atheist my personal opinion is the reality lies between this possibility and impossibility we r not that much eligible to crack that is liye isme humne apna perception daal diya apna poing of view daal diya to understand this in a better way toh fir hum to wahi sawaal pe aa gaye at that state jaha we again got confused I mean sare undicovered ka knowledge kisi athiest ke pass bhi nahi hai aur ofc kisi thiest k pass bhi exactly nhi ha rather than their fictional belif toh yaha sabka apna soch hona chahiye to feed their mental peace ☮️ par agar isme main interfer karu aur batau ki nahi tum mere pov mein socho like this if no one is sure about its existence of something bt similarly we can’t deny that it exist and if it’s is still on discovering mode toh hume apna apna pov khud dhundke agey badhna chahiye instead of being atheist or thiest and spreading propaganda. I have no issue with atheist they r way more knowledgeable lekin koi real atheist attention ke liye public domain main aake be fizul ka devate rakhna is basically makes no sense.
Ek cheez hai ki science is materialistic and religion mein faith believe human emotions exist karta hai simple robot to hum hai nahi battery ghusao kaam karo mental breakdown down sabka hota hai agar uss waqt chanting for god makes me feel better is it so problematic for this wanna be aethists??? I genuinely dnt get the point…….aethism and thism dono ek concept hai belife system hai there’s no way to forcefeed on someone’s personal thinking toh ye iss baat pe apna apna opinion rakhna ek normal hai par iss cheez ko leke social media mein aake bakchodi pelna kyu belive karte ho kya zaroorat hai aur ase cheezo ko promote karna basically makes no sense at all.
@dark_philosopher._.758Humare liye cheeze past mythalogy ka partially clear hai toh opinion hi partially hona chahiye there’s a diff between andhbhakt and real bhakt……jo bhakta hota hai wo ek gareeb ka bhi help karta hai to usme bhagwaan dhunde leta hai lekin jo pakhandi dhongi andhbhakt hota hai wo propoganda failata hai………ye cheeze manipulate humans karte hai faeda humans dhundte hai agar bina belief karke bhi koi faeda hai ti wo ek individual ya kuch logo ka hai aur agar belife karke bhi faeda ha wo bhi ek individual ya kuch logo ka hai we r humans at the end of the day hum sirf apne bare mein sochte hai chahe wo koi athiest ho ya thiest……toh god exist karta hai ya nahi iss pe debate karna hi sabse bara waste of time hai. Jisko manna ha mano nahi maanna mat mano pr ye athiesm ko ek religion banake apne sabko by videos convert karwao maine highly intellectual athiest bhi dekha hai highly intellectual thiest bhi dekha hai even big brains liek Issac Newton, Albert Einstine bhi existance par belive karte they……so the pont is clear!!
Hello vimoh
I am also from odisha
Thanks for sharing ur thoughts in difficult times like today's india
Speaking truth without any filter is rather courageous n i appreciate that about u
Good to see a fellow Odia pila.
There’s a book by Joseph Heinrich that discusses the evolution of western society, the weirdest people on earth. Coincidentally the Industrial Revolution took hold first in provinces where Martin Luther’s Protestant reformation first spread. He connects religious reformation (which led to literacy) and development of technology with the Industrial Revolution.
That is correct. The Protestant reformation tried to do two things, one to translate the Bible from Latin to the language spoken by the people, English, Swedish or German, and spread literacy so that everyone was able to read it. This led to widespread diffusion of knowledge and technology.
Industria revolution happened because of few reasons, one was black death which caused labour shortage and thus created necessities for mechanical automation. Then was proto-capitalism and merchantilism which resulted in accumulation of capital, then it was Lutherian Christianity which brought separation between theology and philosophy and post Christianity allowed for further scientific innovation and dispelling superstition. Colonization only helped in scaling the industrial growth. Fascism was a result of Italy and Germany losing their colonies after WW-1. Fascism is imperialism applied at home.
Ashok was a Buddhist when Kalinga war happened. He changed after becoming Buddhist is not correct.
Now some people might troll him because he chose Kerla for living and said that kerla people are nice😀
29:00 When it comes to Indian TH-cam channels, I follow all the channels you mentioned and am a Patreon sponsor for many of those. But my favorite channel is Satya Anveshi/Question Everything. Fortunately I understand Telugu as these channels are in Telugu, but you can call-in and talk in English or Hindi as well.
Timeline of Vedas can be deciphered by the flora and fauna described in them.
The flow of Saraswati river which is now discovered.
The movement of people usage of language with current linguists.
Vedas were written atleast before BC 4000 when Saraswati was still alive and flowing..
Exactly. That's why NeoBuddhists call it a mythical river. Saraswati river alone exposes all propoganda
4000 bc..are you serious?? Kuch bi...
@@mindudorjeenaksang3014 do you know why any date before BC 4000 is barred .. why no historical account could be before that because the Europeans wrongly assumed God created world in BC 4004 and no historical account could be before than that😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So, in which script do you think Vedas were written back in 4000BC?
@@basantprasadsgarden8365 We don't know for now. But the contents of Vedas themself are the evidence that they are as old as Saraswati river.
Because people in 9th century or 15th century, whatever the shit theory is, had no means to know about a river which had dried up 1000s of years ago.
I absolutely love Greek mythology. There can be a degree in Greek zoology, there is just that much to read. And it's a lot of fun too.
IVC -- Ancestral South Indians -- extracted dna evidence says so. Us Ancestral North Indians were not even near the scene.
Putting the pseudo-sience aside. I think mythology is like a magic, if you believe in it, it wokrs like a guide in your life. It is the most resourceful way to guide a human society in the time in which it was created. We are driven by stories, narratives and emotions. We idealize people. A diety, it's story, and it's attribute gibes yoi a certain personality. When the Romans went to war they prayed to the God of War. Simple logic, you basically worship the idealized form of the activity or Goal which you are trying to do something in. The more things go your way, the more you consider it as a blessing, forging the belief of being blessed with the Gods and also lile a perfect coping mechanisms. I just find it like a really helpful psychological tool. It's like building a personality and moving towards the action of which you want to do. It's like a peiece of Music. Music moves you, but if you start analyzing the Music in single notes you lose the harmony in it and by extention lose it's effect on you. This pretty much where I am going with. And I think that is why Mythilogies kept changing based on the time, and the situation in which it were told. And I do think every society has the right to believe and perpetrate their mythologies. The point is, what is the core message of the mythologies.
Sir humare jo grandparents hote hai bhi aise fiction stories sunate the .....kyu ustime kuch krne ko nhi tha evening me jab ma dinner bana rhi ho grands parents imaginary story sunaya krte the
24:00 Interesting perspective
Wouldn't this be applied to Islam and christianity? That they believe that their mythologies are history too.
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I would choose Brazil. I miss carnivals.
We need real History, raw facts no bullshit!
There is no real history. No one can know exactly for sure what happen.
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Much appreciated Ron. Thanks!
we also never has a protestant reformations type usurpation of the religion from the priesthood
Please give timestamps
So according to this great atheist Mahabharata never happened.
But dwarka finding show a city submerged exactly defined in Mahabharata and times also match.
How do you reconcile to it?
@@vamsikrishna3855 in a few thousand years, people will find remnants of London, movie sets, souvenirs, picture etc and Harry Potter and Voldermot would have happened.
🤷🏻 Ye koi sahi answer nhi hai
Human with Science have exposed this propaganda 4 years ago. It appears that you people think by repeating the same lie again and again will make it a truth
Human with Science had debunked this a long ago.
Do you people think that repeating a lie again and again will make it a truth?
Repeating the same lie again and again doesn't make it a turth
Vimoh why are comments being deleted?
What is India's scientific achievement or what India invented before 2014 ??.. i'm not even talking about international recognition, but at least for domestic usage purpose.. plz tell !!??
u know cv raman
Read post independence history.
@@wonderworld7721 have you ever heard about Mission Laughing Buddha and Smiling Buddha?
@@basantprasadsgarden8365 : cheap IT labor !.
@@wonderworld7721 nah, those where Nuclear test experiments undertaken in 1974 and 1999 respectively
Are you an odia??
Everything put together in one sentence, "angrej aur turk to chale gye, lekin aulad chor k gaye".
Hi @vimoh you based out of which city
Keep up the good work,
Thank You 🙏🏻🇮🇳🙏🏻
Hope scientific temparament of Indians improve
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made up things are more popular than actual history which should be popular & be felt proud on
Why should it be "felt proud on"?
@@ignorasmus actual history is our civilization did some good things, in maths, radio, chess etc etc... are these not actual history which are felf proud upon?
or just celebrate kings, gods & myths?
Did you mean Samuel R. Delany
Brother can this be a theory that like the movie martian someone came to earth and planted specimens to grow here
Yeah !
Btw we were alive during ice age
No shit, a mammoth and a sloth saved a baby from an ice age tiger... And gave him back to his father 🤯
Are you from Odisha
19:00 pashupati seal was found from indus valley civilization
There is no pashupati seal in Indus. Just a hindu propaganda. There is no shiv in Indus valley.
There is no pashupati seal. No shiv in Indus valley.
@@AMz-be7fj you will find it in all the academic books ... Upsc and sate pcs questions... Except in jihadi madarsa chaap books maybe.....
@@r35471you believe in these stories because those books say so 🤡
@@AMz-be7fj how do you know it wasn't lord Shiva.
Watch project shivoham's video on pashupati seal. I request you to watch the full video and then try to counter it.
Thanks Man.
Our history is very rich, & old. What are you guys trying to prove?
Nothing at all.
We are trying to prove our history is already very rich ... So there's no need for whatsapp people to make claims about iphone, spaceship, aliens, modern technology ...in our distant past. yeh claims banane walo ki jalti hai west se, Isliye indian civilization ko west jaisa dikhana chahte hai.
Apan Marathi ahat ka???
Nhi he is Orissa person
@@Gabbarisking47 he's got some puneri marathi accent...
VIMpharOH
If Mahabharata was a myth then what aboutt an underocean dwarka found near gulf of khambat in gujrat
Bhai fake h ..faltu ka tamasha h
Myths are said to have a core of historical memory, but not necessarily in the way portrayed in the myth. The so called underwater Dwaraka refers to some man made structures, possibly a Harappan settlement,which does not correspond in any way with the description of the mythical Dwaraka.
@@Jayrum293 ok then it can be a Harappan settlements
@@Notorious160Rational world pe history ka idea Aa jayega .
Avengers mei bhi new york tha does that make Avengers real no
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Bhaiya please make videos in Hindi, most of Indian people following illiterate people are also so damn illiterate so please if you really want to bring some change please talk in Hindi so that everyone could get it
Bhai did you literally equate not speaking a language to illiteracy the narcissism is crazy
Ah yes before 2014 India was Finland and then it became Iraq 👏👏
Btw I am not a BJP supporter before you strawman my argument. And please talk about failure of bureaucracy in India.
Please point out where I said that before 2014 India was Finland. Talk about strawmanning!
@@vimohlive in this very stream you said 10 years ago people were educated and now Indians deny evolution, what are you statistics for this statement.
@@shivamchoudhary6998 What time stamp did I say this at?
@@vimohlive 38:38 to 39:14
Ok. Here is what I said:
"There has been a serious decline in mental calibre of Indians and this has been made possible by widespread adoption of misinformation and widespread encouragement of misinformation by people in power. I hope we can turn around... I hope we can turn this around and get back to a place... or even go forward into a place where we are at a better place we were 10 years ago - where actual scientific understanding, scientific literacy is more of a thing than it is now or was before 2014."
Is this what you were translating into "before 2014 India was Finland and then it became Iraq"? And you want ME to not strawman YOU?
Wow!
Come on the live stream some time and will be happy to talk. Misrepresernt me again and I will ban you from the channel.
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Hii Pragati, are you an atheist?
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