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good talk Vimoh and Dr. Ruchika !!! thanks for this stream .
This was perfect. Two of my favorites in one video! Excellent stuff.
Missed the live stream. Just finished watching it. Great episode ❤ Thank you 🙏
Thank you so much, I've been enjoying your content for a while and really appreciate it.
Love you
I really appreciate your work vimoh..keep doing good work...love u..
Good talk, good hosting by Vimoh 👍
Excellent program
Thanks
Very good discussion 👌 👏 👍
Really loved the live, very informative also we will need more mods or mods being more strict as chat was crazy. And about members only chat i think u can make it members only when the chat goes crazy or a lot of trolls come, or else keep it for everyone just like Hasanabi does. Btw congrats for hitting 500 viewers🎉🎉.
I observed her engaging in a heated argument on Twitter with a well-known and intellectually adept ex-Muslim named Zafar, simply because he was presenting evidence debunking the story of Adam and Eve and promoting the scientific theory of evolution. She taunted him, questioning why he was criticizing his own religion for money and later she deleted her comments since Zafar reply him and highlight her comment..Regardless of her specific degree, it's evident that she is heavily biased and reacts poorly when Islam is critiqued using facts and logic.
This was awesome!
I completed my high school in India and the last 8 years have been...interesting...
So it is really nice to hear what actual historians have said on these topics.
Actual historian kuch nhi hota yaa toh right wing historian hota hai yaa left wing samjhaa ch---tiyee
I think SJ sir is very clear about Sanskrit and Pali. All should listen once.
No not at all ,dude fails to give proper proof ,in some videos speaks correct ngl,but rest is. nonsense .Always brings idiots on debate
@@telanovela-qd9uw have you ever gone to debate?
@@aseemsharanAbe wo khud Kai baar expose hota hai debate Mai 😂😂😂😂😂
@@prasantapandaprasanta8824 ja ke kar lo ne debate..waha toh jubaan band ho jaati hai
@@telanovela-qd9uw kis cheez ka proof nahi de raha...ki hanuman suraj kha geuya
Good stuff.
Many people seem to disagree on this one.
In fact, people of different ideologies as well.
Seems good, if everyone is challenged. Would encourage introspection.
Ruchika mam thanks for that
Very well explained ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Very well explained ❤❤❤
Excellent
The intellectual prowess of the Indus Valley Civilization 2600 bc to 1900 bc can only be admired. It must to have continued in the succeeding population.
Excellent content ❤
Question about John Marshall @ 31.59 time stamp: From Wikipedia - "Marshall was at school at Dulwich College before King's College, Cambridge,[2] where in 1898 he won the Porson Prize.[3] He then trained in archaeology at Knossos under Sir Arthur Evans, who was rediscovering the Bronze Age Minoan civilization.[4]"
Well answered,
Wikipedia is a very low level of evidence. However "Dr Sharma" typically dismisses findings of colonial officers. Colonial officers cannot use an Indian name to identify the seal as Pashupati. He must have had a dumb but cunning Brahman behind that name. Dr Sharma is nothing but a Brahmanical historian (one who can't say the truth or be honest). She is just crap. 😏
So she's liar.
She is liar
Such beauty 😍😍. I can't comprehend the glamour of this person! Oh, also Dr. Ruchika Sharma looks good too
I can't stop laughing after reading this, N1
Genetic studies confirm the presence of the Indus population in South India particularly Tamil nadu. They moved east and south in 1900bc to avoid invasion by the warring andronovo culture active at the time.
Thanks for bringing Dr Ruchika.. This junction of time complels us to Dig everything down. Ruchika is doing so in popular way. More power to you both. This is the fruit if you hv institutions like JNU. It can enlighten a generation. Keep up d good work and keep debunking the myths...❤
I observed her engaging in a heated argument on Twitter with a well-known and intellectually adept ex-Muslim named Zafar, simply because he was presenting evidence debunking the story of Adam and Eve and promoting the scientific theory of evolution. She taunted him, questioning why he was criticizing his own religion for money and later she deleted her comments since Zafar reply him and highlight her comment..Regardless of her specific degree, it's evident that she is heavily biased and reacts poorly when Islam is critiqued using facts and logic.
Ppl using castee name besides giving lectures about society call themself atheist 1st remove castee names
Truly now,1 of my favourite persons on Twitter,Dr Ruchika Sharma..clarity is what get when I hear her, alongwith non judgemental processing.💐💐
I observed her engaging in a heated argument on Twitter with a well-known and intellectually adept ex-Muslim named Zafar, simply because he was presenting evidence debunking the story of Adam and Eve and promoting the scientific theory of evolution. She taunted him, questioning why he was criticizing his own religion for money and later she deleted her comments since Zafar reply him and highlight her comment..Regardless of her specific degree, it's evident that she is heavily biased and reacts poorly when Islam is critiqued using facts and logic.
Are you a brahman?
I don't know anyone alive who is 😁
Beautiful discussion Vimoh.
Can you also have Buffalo intellectual on your show someday?
Try to respect your fellow Indians, as your self. All this modern knowledge is a gift of western people
43:50 tell us what were you gonna gaess. I was so eager to hear, guess kar sakte hain since the possibility of us knowing it is quite low, just an imaginative exercise. fun conversation
If Sanskrit language is old then why were the Brahmins here unable to read the Prakrit language written in Asokan Pillar? And why it was read for the first time with the help of a Sri Lankan Buddhist monk?
And the evolution of language has also happened. Isn't it true that first there was Prakrit language, then Pali language, then Buddhist hybrid Sanskrit and then Classical Sanskrit?
@meteor541 What you mean to say is that during the Asokan or rather Mauryan Empire, whose borders extended to Afghanistan and Iran, Brahmins did not exist at that time or they remained illiterate. Because even an ordinary logical person can tell that the one who considers himself the oldest definitely has knowledge of the language and culture of the newly arrived civilization.
tu pehle rona band kar bhimte😂
Science journey?
@@rekhakhanna5008 yes
@@GyanTvAmitone guda-nandi Spotted 😂
"If it is proven that the people and events mentioned in the scriptures are imaginary, then also this fact will not harm Hindu religion. " -Swami Vivekananda
(Reminiscences Of Swami Vivekananda,Page No.112)
So Indians were writing in Pali and Brahmi yet she thinks Sanskrit is older than Brahmi ? And why is she basing Vedas as historical facts when she couldn’t even explain Vedic period ? Plus Vedas are all in Devnagri script. Her historical knowledge is very linear.
Pali and Sanskrit are languages. Brahmi and Devanagari are scripts. Scripts can be used to write any language whose sounds they can represent. Similarly, languages can exist without being written down. Spoken language is older than scripts. Let us not mix the two up.
@@EagleOverTheSeathere is no evidence sanskrit is old Pali prakrit has oldest inscriptions and some alphabet from Sanskrit cannot even be written in Paliprakrit
@@alphaff9939 bhai tu historian hai kya?
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Sanskrit is oral language. Why can't you understand difference about oral language and script....
@@shrin210 you will say oral and I will believe lol
According to her Yoga and Tantra were present in IVC.
Hi dear Vimoh I like your TH-cam channel. One small correction Fossil also cannot be Carbon dated. Fossils are dated indirectly by Potassium argon rado dating of geological stratas above and below where Fossil is discovered.
Unesco found out that rigveda was written in 1400s A.D. then why she says that it's way older from 1500 BC?
I am also shocked, Vimoh is hosting this live stream...
Yes bro
Chill people chill. Vimoh is not historian, don't blame him. As long as these types of conversation happen online, there will always be an opportunity for criticism. History written behind the closed doors is always bad for any land. So take it in that sense. His intentions are good.
@@warrior_of_liberation why he didn’t ask for evidence
@@warrior_of_liberation you can’t just say Vedic period is there there is no evidence about that
Ganeshwar jodhpura culture found in Rajasthan near jhunjhunu sikar
I didn't even realise when this podcast shifted from hindi to English
Gyaneshwar jodhpura civilization was in khetri , jhunjhunu, rajasthan ...how can it be in the south
Sanskrit is a spoken language without an original Script and appears on the Indian subcontinent in 100AD with the implementation of Endogamy introduced to prevent mixing with the extensively mixed local ANI population.
By the way the 'great Bath of Mohun ja dario is replicated in the rural temple ponds/tanks of tamil nadu, South India.
Take ths conversation as a pinch of salt.
As not even 1%+ excavation has happened india.
Things will 100% change.
So just enjoyyy🎉
The initial presence of Vedic Aryan Culture is confirmed with the practise of Endogamy in 100AD introduced to prevent mixing with the extensively mixed ANI population.
Is ladki ko Science Journey Se Debate Karna chayye😁
aur science journey ka satya sanatan se debate karana chahiye,science journey bhag gaya tha
@@GyanTvAmit 😂 Jane de ro mat. new sanatani
@@GyanTvAmit konsa video hai bhai jaha sj harr gaya. Jara link dena to
Sharma naam dekhkar hi band baja dega . . . !!!
Bhai woh bhimta unpadh experienced historian ke samne chaddi geeli ho jaegi🤡
People was drama like how warriors fought during or some kind of religion attached to it so that they say how peaceful our people.
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Rigved me he likha hai ki vo putana hai was so funny 😅😅
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seriously i cant digest this oral tradition thing for that long period of time with wars happening around and these people left unharmed.
Vahi toh !!
Is saying "x saint told y saint blah blah" enough ??
Yrr koi archaeological evidence toh do apne claims ko base krne ka
If there was some battle of 10 kings or something it's bizzare that we didn't find any archaeological evidence for that
Apart from Indus other civilizations were comparatively much junior and in the primary stages
Hats off of right wing to ignore this much knowledge. How can they forget everything they studied in school and believe Tudanshu Srivedi(🤡).
Vimoh if possible i want your debate with science journey.
One major issue with Ruchika Mam assertion - The Tamil literature is older than Sanskrit and is an extremely refined and polished language with an extensive literature. The Tamil presence in South India has an archeological history of thousands of years. There is not a single reference in any of the Tamil literature to an original homeland outside of South India or of wars with “aryan” invaders/migrants
None of the Sanskrit literature going back over 5000 years mentions a homeland in the arctic circle or in central asia
“Aryan” is not a racial epithet, it means “noble” and refers to one’s cultural qualifications as being high-minded. The wars mentioned in the Vedas between the Aryans and the Dasyus according to all the native commentators refers not to racial battles but to the eternal cosmic struggle between the powers of chaos represented by the Dasyus and the forces of order represented by Indra and the Aryans.
The ancient archeological sites of Mohenjo Daro and Harrapa in what is now Pakistan were abandoned cities of very high sophistication. None of them show any signs of having been destroyed or conquered by war with invading/migrating tribes.
The Vedas for over 5000 years were transmitted orally in complicated mathematical combinations which required many hours of daily study by students subjected to rigorous rules and discipline. The idea that such tuition and transmission could take place on horse-back or in tents of wandering nomads is simply incredible!
Bhai tum logo Aryan migration ke fact ko falsify karke haasil kya karna chahte ho? Batana jara.
@@Graviton-cc9bn aryan
invasion/ migration theory already debunk ho chuki hai bhai konsi duniya me hai tu???
@@AniketSingh-cu4nlAbe dekh achhe se usne migration likha hai invasion nehi. WhatsApp university se padhega to yehi hoga.
The Aryans stayed to the North for centuries, so AIT did not impact the Dravidians. Aryavarth (later Bharat) was North India, and people who left Aryavarth for Mleccha-desh had to purify themselves on return.
@@alani3992 bro many prominent historians disapprove the aryan invasion/migration theory
Please call prof. Vilas Kharat to talk on this as counter to her theory.she is confusing everything. When agriculture stopped in India?Till date we are agrarian.
It appears that the Indus valley inhabitants were evacuated in 1900bc. Possibly to wisely avoid an invasion by. the warring Andrnovo/ Sintashta/Steppe cultures. were active at the time . Following evacuation they migrated east and South finally settled and mixed with local hunter gatherers making up whole of population as the ASI
Meanwhile the Indus Valley lay abandoned till migrating pastoralist from Europe and Central Asia settled the valley bringing new language religion and Vedic culture.ine male biased group proceeded to the indo gangetic plain and mixed with with the natives forming the ANI.
minuteman has made good vid on roopkund lake
She said Sanskrit is older than pali because she can't just say pali is older...its not easy for brahmin historians to say that even if they want to....its like dropping a nuclear bomb....so chill guys....she can't just tell 100% truth....upper caste historians have limits...you can call it propaganda/societal pressure...and why the heck you guys need a certificate from an upper caste historian about your own history.
Yeah, lets be happy that at least she said Aryan Migration is the TRUTH and she is one of few who can say that.
Sach ko halaq se nikalne me time lagta hai. Next wali ulti me shayad nikal jaye.😅
Once a bhimtaa always a bhimtaa
@@yuyutsuraoBhai wo Romila Thapar ki student h tum toh left walo k saath kaise ho gaye?
@@user-cm1lb5to8p mai left walo ki side nhi hu
@@yuyutsuraoonce a lingta always a African lingta
Pls also throw some light on the Origin of Dravidians.
Tongue and language are different.😊
Thanks for the video and Vedas(knowledge)
So, Sanskrit was oral language and most important knowledge was in form of poem bcoz it would be easy to remember due to rhymes and transfer knowledge bcoz paper was limited resources.
Then there was Brahmi Script
After that Prakrit, Pali, Tamil like script came to be and those poems, hymns, verses written in these scripts.
Then Devnagri, Kannada, Bengali, etc many more scripts and dialects came to be and again those hymns, poems written in those scripts.
Bcoz Indian Priests (Brahmin) and Kings (Kshatriya) had interesting relation due to the influence of Vedas (Poems on Non violence). There was enough period of peace before Mughals and Britishers for every region's culture to grow even more diverse to be known as "Sone ki chidiya".
There were periods of peace, but social tension and injustice as well, during the later Vedic age
@@nananou1687Come on, man. Don't make unfounded claims.
@@nananou1687
Compared to the feudal system of Europe, the slave system of Roman and Egypt civilization, the state dictatorship of China, the Mayan civilization of America. It is far less injustice in Indian subcontinent civilization. And there is not much cruelty, bloodshed in citizen like of slaves because of Kshatriya - Brahmin dynamics with Paganism culture.
@@shrin210oh plz. Stop lying.
@@AMz-be7fj
I'd live as a Shudra in a Brahminical society where Brahmin can't touch lower caste. 😂
Rather than whipped in a Master-Slave society.
She is keeping Khajoor ka dabba by claiming that Vedas have historical evidence with it. Ask her about the details of the oldest manuscript of Vedas submitted to UNESCO by ASI and GOI. And what was the script of this manuscript 😂
Love the meltdown in comments 😂
kaleje ko thandak mil rhi hai pata nhi kyon
Bheemto ko rote dekh maza aata hai 😂
Regveda was written in AD 1500
Fir tum log kyu bolte ho ki ham pe 3000 saal se brahmano ne atyachar kiya 😂 agar pehle Buddhism tha to kya woh itna weak tha ki sab hindu majority ban Gaye 😂
As far as I know, I dont think meluha was the name given by Mesopotamia, but IVC was called meluha by Mesopotamians but it could be meluhans informing them that they are meluhans or Mesopotamia calling us by that name or the trading people using that name.
The Aryans would have met the Meluhans in the BMAC, so they would be familiar with that name. Some people speculate that the Aryan term "Mleccha" comes from there:
"Based on the geographic references to the Mleccha-deśa (Mleccha country) to the west, the term is identified with the Indus people, whose land is known from the Sumerian texts as Meluḫḫa. Also Parpola has proposed a Dravidian derivation for "Meluḫḫa", as mel-akam ("high country", a possible reference to the Balochistan high lands)"
@@alani3992How desperate you people are just to prove Vedic/Hindu to outsiders! 😂 You make up your own entire story. You try to do the same with my comments, but I debunked all your propaganda. ?
@@alani3992The term 'mleccha' was used by Indians/hindu/vedic 😂 to refer to outsiders. It's not a foreign term. For example, groups like the Kushans, Greeks, Huns, and Bactrian Greeks, with origins outside the traditional boundaries of the Indian subcontinent, were often considered 'mleccha' due to their distinct languages, cultures, and religious practices. And this term wasn't even existed 😂 at that time.
@@alani3992Its meaning also changed over time. Initially, it was used to refer to people who couldn't understand or speak Sanskrit at the time of bacterian-greek and persian invasion. Later, it was applied to people outside of Indian culture , and eventually, it came to refer to unclean and barbarian people
After the time of Huns who also demolished many Indian monuments and also used for Arabs
Medieval Authors: Writers like Al-Biruni (11th century), studying India, noted the use of 'mleccha' to denote foreigners as 'unclean' by prevailing Hindu customs.
@@certifiedsanatani 1.bhai hamare mandir bhi toh 1500 AD se jyada purane hai
2. Babasaheb ne khud apne book " Mahatma Buddha aur unka Dhamma" me kaha hai ki Buddha ne vedo ka paath kiya
3. Aur agar Hindu dharm 15th century me bana, vedo ko 15th century me likha tha toh in par 3000 saalo se kon atyachar kar raha hai 😂
In sawalo ka jawab nahi hai Neo Buddhists ke paas.
What about the theory of OOA.
The comment section is so dymanic. Its so refreshing to see viewers with good knowledge of the topic and debating with knowledge, as against some popular YT channels where only pro video comments are posted.
Good knowledge? The first comment literally saying that pali is older than sanskrit and it is the top comment tf and then accusing of her being brahmin supremacist, is this not castism?
@@ShivanshThakur-sh8ub according to their logic, anti Brahmin≠casteist
Hi brother can u make a video on karoli baba about Steve jobs and Zuckerberg's visit in his ashram
Excellent explanation.
Pls also comment about the evidences found in the excavation done at Keezhadi and other locations in Tamilnadu.
क्या composition of vedas के समय का पता लगाना संभव है?
जब उसका कहीं जिक्र ही नहीं मिलता।
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.ahar garh is part of Indus civilization and now a days in Balochistan and junior to Mohen jo daro
Kya ho sakta hai indusvalley ko banjaro k tru bhi dekha jaaye.
Is like saying we knw the documentary speaks about jurassic period was actually shot in jurassic age...how funny it is
Pashupati wasn't found there.
We become emotional while we make decisions and try to prove vedic period is the oldest , the language of vedas is sanskrit but that is not 2000 yr old, We do not talk too much about Budha & Ashoka means we are not honest,
how come a language is written first and spoken later... if Brahmi is written first... which language did is represent....
Dr rajendra prasad singh ji ka interview lijiye
39:39 Q: is brahmi same as indus script? Ruchika: no itna bada gap h indus script and brahmi script k time mei kaise suddenly it can pop up or survive?
1:16:02 Q: how come sanskrit is older when its written after pali/prakrit in brahmi script? Rucika: because rig veda mei likha h, uss case mei it can survive 😂
Waah! Waah!
Bonus fact by her - mittani of vedic time was written in sanskrit or they know how to write, but somehow Aryan when came to indian sub continent didn't know how to write sanskrit.
I rest my case 😊
She dont know. Such an uneducated person with the educate mentality 😂
Rig Veda likhne ki chahat ❌
Epic of Gilgamesh likhne ki chahat ✅ 😂
Archaeologists discovered burials in Sinauli, India, dating back to the late Harappan period (2000-1800 BCE). These burials contained copper's horse chariots. Additionally, the earliest paintings in Bhimbetka, depicting horses, date back approximately 10,000 years. I acknowledge India's history of migrations and Invasion but, how can she claim on that Hindus/vedic migrated into India and that is not indigenous religion or culture ? On stupid horse theory.
she said Atharvaveda contains mentions of farming, while earlier Vedas don't. She use this to argue that knowledge of agriculture developed later in the Vedic period... for her i advice to read this... Rigveda
Hymn to Kshetrapati (RV IV.57): This entire hymn is dedicated to Kshetrapati, the lord of the field. It includes prayers for fertile land, abundant harvests, and protection from pests.
Importance of Indra (RV X.101): Indra, the god of rain and thunder, is praised for bringing rains essential for cultivation.
Ploughing References (RV IV.57.6-8): These verses describe the process of ploughing, mentioning furrows, yoke, and oxen.
Samaveda
Hymns Related to Seasons: The Samaveda has verses related to the seasons (ritus) which would have been deeply linked to agricultural cycles.
Prayers for Rain: Many hymns invoke the gods for timely rainfall, important for a successful harvest.
Yajurveda
Vajapeya Sacrifice (YV, Ch.9 -18): This describes the Vajapeya ritual, performed for prosperity and bountiful crops. It contains detailed instructions on preparing the sacrificial ground, which has parallels to preparing a field for agriculture.
References to Grains: Words for different grains, like barley and rice, are present
Oh buttheads, she never said hinduism is not indigenous, obviously it is. She only said vedas and sanskrit is not indigenous.
Hinduism resulted from a mix of indigenous & Vedic culture:
"What most anthropologists are clear on is that the arrival of the male-dominated Aryan Vedics within the Indus Valley occurred when Tantra was already live and kicking, and marked the process of synthesis, whereby Tantra influenced those Vedas originating in India. The orthodox Vedics assimilated those practices that were conducive to their patriarchal traditions, and diluted, discarded, even oppressed more esoteric techniques including emphasis on the feminine."
@@Graviton-cc9bn dumb fck if vedas and sanskrit is not indigenous then entire ramayan and mahabharat will be proven wrong
U are wrong, bhimbetka paintings never mentioned abt horses, I have seen those paintings
Sir, after Keeladi Excavations the historians and Archeologists came to know that Keeladi and Indus civilisation has many similarities. And the language in Indus is may Dravidian. Because in Balochistan still some small community is speaking Brahui language which belongs to the Dravidian family. Not sure its AIT or AMT but definitely Indus people move towards South.
Call science journey for exploring true history.
Thats a propaganda peddler, he says that prakrit IS pali, he calls brahmi like is dhamma lipi like what
I want a whole playlist of such streams with Ruchika Sharma!
Is there proof that Sanskrit older than Pali ? Beacause oldet inscription we found in Pali language.Vedas have no inscription but in vedas we can find 1500 BC incident because of Zen Avstha.Vedas not wrote before 1000 years even Al-bruni mentioned it.
blunt truth is, school time me inke chochle khatam nahi ho rahe the, excuses were history boring hai, neend aati hai, sir/maam acha nahi padhate history (this is 100% true btw) aur aab ye myths n politically influence hoke gyan dete school me history nahi padhai, correct history nahi padhai.
Just curious to know if Tamil predates Sanskrit. Anyone any idea?
Sankrit is not much older than 1500 years from now .. !!
Sunce jouney watcher...@@clashofclan6241
@@clashofclan6241You're wrong, Sanskrit has a recorded history of more than 3500 years ... The oldest Vedas manuscripts which were included in UNESCO heritage list dates back to 1800-1500BC.
@@swarupbanerjee147 lol .. whats app graduated scholar 😂😂😂 why dont you even go and even search in unesco the oldest written text of veda we have in our accounts …
@@swarupbanerjee147 the oldest veda text we have is of 1468 Ad commentsry done by sayana … unesco will provide the same information.. ..
1800 bc my foot🤣🤣
Can't agree with Ruchika madam.Sanskrit is a cultured language from Pali.Mitani inscription has no sanskrit anywhere but we can find prakrit in that treaty called bogazkoi.
I don't know abt language but indra, varun ... They were definitely mentioned there
Thought the Mitani were just Prakrit names/nouns, not the language itself, since they spoke another language family.
@aizen9057 Indra is written indara. Varuna like Varena.Nasatiana instead of Nastya.Akinas instead of Agni are the names of Vedic deities which are not Sanskrit but Prakrit.
@@aizen9057mitani has similar nouns like indragal but that doesn't make sanskrit old noun can be same at many locations like Egypt has ramses this doesn't mean ram existed
@@jaybharat1479true because this kri ri are not there in pakit
Making chat member's only is great idea Vimoh😅
@1:15:48 @1:16:15 संस्कृत भाषा पाली से पहले थी
संस्कृत पाली से पुरानी है।
No my dear, logically पाली ही पुरानी लगती हैं
लेखन कला, लिखने कि कला कब प्रचलन में आई? सबसे पहले, लेखन कला के आविष्कार के समय शुरुआती दिनों में किस चीज़ पे लिखा जाने लगा, कागज पे कपड़े पे, धातु के sheet पे, मिट्टी कि स्लेट पे, या पत्थर पे?
अब जिस भी किसी चीज़ पे सबसे पहले लिखावट होने लगी थी, वो किस लिपि में हुई ये देखो, और आपको जवाब मिल जाएगा
जो भी पुराने शिलालेख मिले हैं, वे पाली पाकुत (प्राकृत नहीं पाकुत) मे मिले हैं, संस्कृत भाषा में एक भी शिलालेख नहीं मिला है।
संस्कृत देवनागरी लिपि में लिखी जाती हैं, और देवनागरी लिपि कब विकसित हुई, "ऋ" "कृ" ये letter कब लिखे जाने लगे? जिस समय "कृ" हि नहीं जा सकता उस समय "संस्कृत" अस्तित्व में कैसे हो सकती हैं ।
बाद में धुर्त लोगों ने, गपोडपंथी करने वालों ने ग्र्रथों मे झूठ लिख दिया के वे ग्रंथ 1500bce से प्रचलन में थे?
और रही बात बाकी के दूर प्रांतो में संस्कृत भाषा के पाए जाने कि तो हो सकता हैं कि संस्कृत बोलने वाले बाद में वहाँ गये हो
@1:16:32 क्यों कि वेदों में लिखा हैं इस लिए ये मान ले कि वे 1500 bc में प्रचलन में थे
ये मतलब ऐसा हुआ कि किसीने हड़प्पा सिव्हिलायझेशन का वर्णन इतिहास 1947 में अंग्रेजी में लिख दिया, और अब 2024 में उस अंग्रेजी इतिहास को पढकर के बोले कि हड़प्पा सिव्हिलाझेशन के समय अंग्रेज़ी प्रचलन में थी।
संस्कृत के प्रचलन में होने का Evidence क्या है?
अगर ये मान ले कि 1500bc से वे orally वेदों को यादकर जैसे का वैसा ढो के लाए तो इस दांवे को cross examine करने के लिए हमें पहले शक़्स से वेद सुनने पडेंगे और फिर आखिरी शक़्स से वेद सुनने पडेंगे, और फिर उन दोनो version को compare कर के हमें पता चलेगा के वे लोग वेदों को जैसे का वैसे ढो के लाए हैं, लेकिन अगर किसी क्लास में पहले बच्चे को एक कहानी दुसरे बच्चे के कान में बताने कहो, तो पता चलेगा कि पचासवे बच्चे तक जाते जाते कहानी में बहुत कुछ बदल जाता हैं ।
Right! Jaise Rig Ved itna pakka proof ho gaya ki uski wajeh se 1000 - 1500 saalo ki koi evidence ki zarurat nai. Jab Indus valley Mei likha jara h toh sanskrit kaise nai likhi jari. Ye toh aise hua ki aaj social media/email k jamane Mei koi bole Mei toh bas kabootar se msg bhijwayunga. Technology reverse kaise hogi
Mehergarh is now in Balochistan Pakistan not in Afghanistan...
She is dwelling more on the probabilities ~ interpreting as per her fascinations ~ Even the presenter & the EXPERT are unclear themselves about the Real facts ~ The presentation is at the best is, their private views , discussed on public platform ~
The views are supported by genetic studies as well as archaeological evidence. Seems like you have a hard time studying. I wonder if it has anything to do with your ideological position.
Please see languages developed from easier to complex. How come Sanskrit speaking people suddenly started speaking pali pakkit then again remembered speaking Sanskrit which cannot be written without devnagri and devnagri is derived from Bhambhi script. You need to involve Buddhist evidence for the proper linkage of Harappan civilization.
Vahi na !
Vimoh sir ji Science Journey channel par jao apko Indus valley civilization ki history ki kuch alag knowledge pata chal jaye😊 aur ASI koi dudh ka dhula hua nahi hai usme jyadatar tar brahmin hi hai aur voh to apna sthapit karne ke liye bachkana kam karenge hi.
Indus valley civilization never saw a horse
Vimoh, I think this person's facts related to Indus Valley are not true, especially related to time period. The World of Antiquity channel guy made very detailed videos about Indus Valley Civilization. Pranav also refers to that guy. I think you should conduct a podcast with him for IVC.
Indus valley DNA is close to Sumerian civilization
Close to dravidian people of India.
@@AMz-be7fj sumerian dna also
Is she 100% correct? There are other archeolohogists of rakhigari like disha ahluwalia and dr. Shinde which gave different answers.
No... She is not 100% correct. She is not even claiming to be. That is the beauty of academic discourse. There will be many theories, many interpretations. And after maybe hundreds of academic papers and discourse a common ground will be reached. All she told was what the common consensus of history is currently. With more research it will definitely change. The best part about that is that that history will not have been coloured in the biases of the current political climate.
Indus Valley civilizations people used to live in harmony and peace with equality...
And these european steppe claims that they belongs to indus Vally civilization it doesn't make any sense...
It was great start and great information about Harappan Culture. But I was really disappointed by her vedas/vedic period commentary. Because this presupposition of Vedic period is utter nonsense as there are literally no evidences of any sort. Vedas or anything vedic start to show up in history around or after 10th century CE. So to presuppose it 2000 years before that is like presupposing Marvel comics in ancient Mesopotamia if they ever find Spiderman like figure in art/inscription.
And if anyone gonna say she has PhD...sure, but thats also argument from authority fallacy.
Nicely put
@@joshi168Thanks man. I am literally getting tired of this 'Oral History' nonsense also. I am pretty sure there will be some comments like that on this video.
@@warrior_of_liberation oral history is just nonsense to prove vedic culture as old. Nothing else
Even if it was oral, it was only the elite 1% that knew them.
Later they came up with stories like the Ramayan & Mahabharata so that common people could be immersed into those beliefs.
@@alani3992 how are u so sure?
Baad me likhna samajh aata h lekin pehle se us bhasha me rat kar la rhe the jiska existance hi nhi tha jiski early form me bahut se aksar hi nhi the to un axar wale shabdo ko kaise rat kr la rhe the 😆😆🤣🤣
ऋग्वेद 1500 ईसा पूर्व में अस्तित्व में आया
और 600 ईसवी में लिखा गया
यह confusing है
किसी भी चीज को same to same 900 साल तक orally संक्षरित कर पाना क्या संभव है?
दूसरा संदेह इस बात पर था कि
क्या संस्कृत कभी भी आम बोलचाल की भाषा रही है?
संस्कृत को मैंने जितना समझा है वह लिखने के लिए ज्यादा उपयोग में लाई जाती रही है।
Good work sir...Ruchikaji ko Invite karna ka Thanks...Lekin Madamji ne Sirf Claim kiya koi Archeological Evidences ko nahi dikhaya...Jisse Main Full Confused hu👍
@@rt-cz5qvAbout Vedic Period....no.
@@rt-cz5qv Claim or Evidences main koi difference nahi hai?🤔Jo Claim thokta hai Bo Evidence dikhane k liye Responsible hota hai Aisa tumne nahi suna
@@rt-cz5qv Again buddy, there is no evidence of anything Vedic. And he was civil... don't let your ego hurt by genuine criticism.
@@rt-cz5qv Bhai Tum ASI ko Neutral Samjhte ho kya?Tumhe Pataa nahi hai ASI main kon bethe hai...Thokna word tumhe galat esliye laga kyoki tumhare dimag pehle se galat soch raha hai
@@rt-cz5qv Bhai tumhare Jaisa Bhola bhala koi nahi hai...Kya Tumne Museum visit kiye hai...ASI Main kon bethe hai aapko pataa nahi hai...Kya guarantee hai Yeh Neutral hai...Thokna sabd Se usko Dikkat hoga Jiske dimag main pehle se galat soch ho
12:03 - they are not ashamed of the academic history but ashamed of their own academic achievements . 😂
Dear Vimoh I don't think she got any better than just guessing and at times bluffing. She fails to speak of science in archaeological surveys. Civilization studies need a multi-pronged scientific approach. It is a blend of evidence including, not only linguistics studies, anthropology, symbols, beliefs, practices carried forward but many more.
As expected, she believes vedic culture is older than Buddha without much evidence or reference. She is trying to include Vedas in history when it has no iota of history in it. She, like other brahmanical historians probably thinks there was Vedic culture in India before Buddha.🤦🏾
She should have come with a presentation slides with pictures and references. Please get her again and challenge her or send her to discuss her findings in the "science journey" channel. It will be very nice to see them debate.
डाक्टर रुचिका शर्मा पटियाला पंजाब की रहने वाली है पटियाला से कुछ किलोमीटर दूर जिला फतेहगढ़ साहिब में जगह है उच्चा पिंड संघोल है जहां इस क्षेत्र का तीन हजार साल पुरानी सभ्यता का इतिहास साक्ष्य सहित मौजूद है पूछना चाहता हूं वहां लिखी भाषा कौन सी है।
For context, the chat was wild because of KBT Trads and Raitas and SJ sir's followers all getting offended at once
what is kbt trads
@@AY-kk9gt KBT is also a youtube channel who primarily cater to right wing orthodoxy (trads and raitas)
@@shiroyasha_007 The problem with KBT and SJ is their interpretation of Indus Valley. But in my personal opinion KBT is right because they show concrete archeological proofs and is not afraid of debate.
Sanksrit was Buddhist monks language they created it as Buddhist Hybird Sanksrit. How can she said that .that sanksrit is older than pali lol😂
This bhimte are not rational, they have made their on history by father SJ.
So you think All the archeolist, historian around the world, UNESCO, world heritage site, ASI, Department of Archeology of Nepal, European are just mad....? and you guys has confirmed whatever you heard from SC. Journey with Extraordinary claim with insufficient evidence. Are you really rational or bullshit.
"until the lions have their own historians the history of hunt will always glorify the hunter”- Chinua achebe .
Brahmano se history likhwaoge to wo apne hisab se hi khud ko glorify wali history likhega. . Sanskrit ka evidence lakar dedeona bhai before prakrit . . . !!! HIndu Atheist 🤣🤣
@@brocklesnar2922archeology evidence to sanskrit is old really? 😂
Brahmi got 3 BCE evidence
@@GamerOne_mehow sanskrit is old ? Oldest inscription of india are in pali prakrit