Why the hate? Because people wanted a performance and style beast that cost the same as a GT86 A hater always starts off being unrealistic You cant expect a luxury car (Supra is a reskinned BMW Z) to cost the same as a GT86 And honestly for what you get its pretty affordable even though its way more expensive than a GT86
I pulled up next to a supra in a tesla and gave the supra driver the signal to go at the green light. He literally shook his head and laughed. I think that says it all. Lol
It's not underappreciated, it's appreciated exactly as much as it deserves. Noone wanted a badge engineered bmw convertible as the successor to the mark IV.
2021 and up Supra real numbers are, 388 hp to the wheels, 447 to the crank 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds, quarter mile in 12.1 seconds. It’s faster than The Mach 1, C7 corvette and so many other sports cars. This car hits mid 11 seconds with just the tires being change. Down pipe and a tune has this cars hitting the 550hp (reliable) broke haters who can’t afford this car always have something to say 😂
Its the fact that BMW engineered 90% of the car and its not a Toyota that gets me. BMW ranks at the bottom of the list on reliability and top of the list on cost of maintenance and repair.
BMW can make extremely reliable cars and their inline 6 cylinder engines are second to none. They choose not to make reliable cars because they make more money on parts and maintenance than they do on the sale of the actual vehicle.
IKR?!?! it's called brainwashing and marketing. Most people are sheeple who can't actually think for themselves, it's sooooo sad the world we live in. #suckstosuck
@@fatalmastermind the b58 is actually really reliable. and even the n55 was fairly reliable. bmw's if maintained are quite reliable in general, the problem is the poors buy used ones and don't know how to follow instructions
Why the hate.? A sports car with no manual transmission, and a company with their own racing division doesn’t bother to design and build their own car. As a previous owner of 2 older Supra’s I would not even consider this car.
This isn't a car I've been following but have always loved the Supra's and have seen this new one around and liked the look of it. Shocked when I watched this to see that it is a BMW engine, has iDrive and built in Austria. That seems crazy for all the points you mentioned. Toyota certainly is capable of building an amazing sports car but just punted this and is basically licensing out the Supra name.
This actually the one series they do that I don't like. It all seems fake. I like this channel for their straight forward reviews and towing vids. This series just seems produced. Like an ESPN program. "OK, you be skip Bayless and I'll be the counter argument" or just like any Head to Head from Motortrend. Arguing just for the sake of arguing. I get my drama from sports. Not produced programing. That's what the Bravo channel is for, not an automobile information channel. This is why there is 8 different Discovery channels (all packed with setup reality shows. Just my thought that a worth of 1/6billion.
@@nitroxide17 thats what happens. here they co developed this engine with toyota's reliability standards..and this engine is capable of 1000hp and everyone says its more capable than a 2jz iron block..what else its the most reliable engine.
This car is an Entemann’s pound cake. There’s nothing wrong with it. But, there’s nothing “right” with it, either. Of people going to the grocery store with $4.29, only a rare few are actually wanting an Entemann’s pound cake. There are 100 different things you can get for the same money, but only a select few actually go shopping, specifically, for it.
@@lensoprezole5322 Then why don't you formulate a proper retort, and maybe put it into a format that isn't so grammatically confusing? I know I have an open mind to friendly debate. We're waiting.....
It’s gobsmacking for people to be banging on about this being a BMW! People drive the new Aston Martins with the 4 L V8 and say how amazing it is - Mercedes engine! People used to bang on about how great the Ford focus ST with a 2.5 engine / 5 cylinder is and more so the Ford Focus RS MK2 with the same VOLVO engine! Car manufacturers have been doing this forever - BMW use Peugeot engines - so what !! The BMW Z4 and the Toyota Supra look so different and the BIG plus with Toyota is a 5 YEAR WARRANTY- what’s not to like !!!
@@Adam2050 🤣🤣🤣 tell me what was unreliable about the n55 engine it’s not reliability it’s maintenance people are afraid of electric water pump will fail around the 50k mark and the rubber gaskets perish just like any other rubber does, they’re far from unreliable the b58 was based off the n55 people hear bmw and think unreliable people hear Lexus and think reliable but their hybrids suck but people don’t mention the unreliable cars in Lexus line up just like people don’t mention the reliable cars in the bmw line up
Great car but this car probably gets killed off by Toyota before anybody realizes it. Hype killed this car just like the NSX. Too many people watching fast and furious or playing gran turismo being critical about the car. Funny thing is most of the people being critical of the car are driving vans and 4 doors or a bunch of 15 year olds barely in adulthood.
"like the NSX" ROFLMAO ok beta boy, the NSX is a waaaay more expensive option, trust me....If the country wasn't a piece of shit and piss all over the middle class and poor , you would see ALOT more NSX...those are cold hard facts, deal with it
@@donaldtrumptard2759 the Audi R8 outsells the NSX. Audi R8 has sold 356 units in 2021 ytd while the Acura NSX has sold 60 units ytd. Acura is the lower priced car yet it doesn’t sell well. Why? Like I said because of the hype. Everybody wanted it to be a hyper car. The first generation was a legit competitor to the Ferrari and Lambo counterparts. Once it was announced V6, media and people shit on it for no reason. Media grudgingly agreed it was a great car but liked to point out what it wasn’t instead of what it was. Not sure why you’re so angry. The Honda Civic Type R has a better interior than the NSX, which to me is a huge problem. If you are gonna charge super car prices, even if it’s an entry level price, the interior should be top of the line. When I say top of the line, I mean it should be in line with the Audi R8, Mercedes Amg GTR, Porsche 911…yet it’s not even the best at Honda. Yes, hype killed the Nsx. It’s a good car but everybody overhyped it.
I mean auto is kinda faster. And has more resale value. I don't have a problem with that it's just the lack of innovation from such a legendary platform.
Most car people would rather buy a bmw with a Toyota engine than a Toyota with a bmw engine. This abomination is a slap in the face to their loyal customers.
@@BrandonIngrassia they def don’t go to the scrap yard after a few years. In Europe every other car on the road is a used BMW/Audi/Mercedes but even in the US there are quite a lot of old BMWs on the road. They aren’t as reliable as Toyotas but they have aren’t as bad as some people say.
@@kristians2704 - BMW = absolute trash. It is shameful that Toyota hooked-up with them because they were too unwilling to build their own sports car. THAT is why so many are disgusted with this “Supra”.
Funny with all the hate here, I get none of that on the road and car meets. All I got are good attentions and thumbs ups. Also realize, the last time Toyota developed a sports car in house ended up costing $300K new while not making any profits. LFA anyone? The rate these cars are selling does not justify the means of spending hundreds of million in R&D. So Toyota did the next best thing, which I'm good with that.
Way too soon to say there's any Toyota "reliability" built into this BMW...Agree with most here, it ain't a Toyota and certainly isn't appreciated for that reason.
Well was the n55 reliable that’s what the b58 was based off 🤦♂️ you really think Toyota would take an unreliable engine if you did your research you would see why they took it
I mean, Toyota broke so many B58 parts during their usual testing procedures BMW engineers got mad. They had to revise the parts until Toyota was satisfied with their durability. If anything, this will make the B58 the most reliable engine BMW will make in the modern era.
@@LouisSubearth That is wonderful. My neighbor has one and although the powertrain is fine, after one year it rattles like a rattle trap. I guess Toyota should have spent more time worrying about the overall car, not just the engine. Too bad.
@@LouisSubearth let the toxic crowd of lemmings who spout off their dad's stereotypes and dont actually know anything about the b58 and the ZF do their thing... there's no fixing that mentality, lmao
the FT1 concept, ahh yes i remember the "hype train" and I told EVERYONE that it will NEVER look that cool. well it may had if shit BMW didn't get involved lol, looks just like a Z4! what garbage
yes, the FT1 concept was/is beautiful... but that car would have cost well into 6 figures and been priced far outside of the range of the actual supra & modder community.
@@donaldtrumptard2759 you can say it looks like garbage and, of course you're entitled to your opinion (albeit expressed in a very lowbrow and immature way), but I get far more compliments and attention on my MK5 Supra than I did on my C7 Z06 or my old boxster... its basically every time I go anywhere, even just for fast food. we live in a time where people thrive on negativity and talking shit, especially about topics they have about 5 minutes worth of knowledge on (at best).
Why not see it for what it is, a great car made as collaboration between two of the greatest car company's. This Is going to be a classic, it is better than any supra before. I just wish it had manual transmission option.
Because people hate the fact that Toyota have so little regard for such an iconic car would be clone with a tepid BMW. Better they build another 100K GR Yaris Coupes instead and stop this Supra travesty.
Yet the "pure Toyota cars" like the Lexus LFA, Lexus RCF, Lexus ISF, Lexus LC500 , etc and Toyota Supra MK4(the MK4 A80 Supra was a poor sellin' car from start to finish and it was criticized as well....let alone while stock wasn't all that) etc....all were bad sellin' cars Yet when the "not pure Toyota" MK5 Supra A90 is in the mix ya'll peeps want to get bch pissy mad??? Ya'll insane And as for the Lexus LC500. That was not long ago became one of Toyota's lack sellin' cars
For me, the Supra is a lazy attempt by Toyota to revive an 'old legend'. Using the underpinnings and engine from a BMW... Ok, I can live with that! Styling the exterior and then forgetting to re-style the interior, especially the console (as well as the the door mirrors) to make it at least look like 'Toyota' from the inside... It's Just BAD, BAD, BAD and extremely 'LAZY' from Toyota!!!
They couldn't justify building it if they didn't partner with BMW. If they hadn't partnered, then we'd have no Supra. I'll gladly take a BMW Supra over no Supra. It wasn't lazy, it was the only option. It's a good car, nothing about it is lazy. Would I prefer a Toyota designed and built car? Yes, absolutely. But we didn't get that and it doesn't appear that we ever will, so I'm gonna make do with what we have instead of complaining. To me, the biggest issue is the lack of a manual.
@@borla4491 The option for a manual is a personal preference. I'm not interested in the GTR, so I can't comment on that, but I would assume there is a crowd of people out there who wish it had a manual option. You probably aren't hearing about it because the car has been on the market for well over a decade and its old news. I can understand why manuals are not being offered with modern sports cars, but I don't have to be happy about it.
The problem is Toyota can build a great sports car, they can make a beast of a straight 6. They say it's comes down to cost... Ford builds a 6 figure supercar like every 10 years from the ground up, I'm sure Toyota can afford their own ground up sports car.
@@exquisiteart6478 It's not like they didn't know it would be coming back at some point, pretty sure they race fast cars in whatever events around the world. they are just LAZY, GREEDY POS! , that's all there is to it. ... And due to their lazy, greedy, POS mentality, they have lost such a following on an iconic sports car.....so sad, and to let BMW in on it? ROFLMAO!! what a piss poor choice for an unreliable, overpriced garbage engine....Honda Type R makes the Turdpra look like the POS it is anyways, so suck it!
@@donaldtrumptard2759 Newsflash. The Chassis of the A90 Mk5 was developed by both , Toyota and BMW. After that, Toyota and BMW went both their SEPERATE WAYS to further design their own vehicles for that chassis. Along with the fact that the B58 Engines in the Mark 5 A90 was tested by Toyota which all faulty parts was shipped back to BMW! The BMW engineers for that engine had a headache after all the parts that was faulty was shipped back to them...... Toyota didn't just "slap their name on their vehicle called it a day". There's a lot than that too that! Toyota couldn't just "make the vehicle and engine on their own" due to the fact that they had no platform nor tools and die to make a Straight 6 from 0! If Toyota did "make the Supra A90 MK5 on their own" , the price tag would be in the range of the Nissan GTR and Honda NSX which those are SELLING POORLY . Toyota, wanted to stick to making the Supra MK5 A90 attainable to the masses. Not unattainable to the masses. Period. Also, MK4 A80 Supra, sold POORLY in the 1990s. Newsflash. And the Lexus LFA(which Lexuses are from Toyota), that SOLD POORLY which Toyota LOST MONEY on that also. Along with the fact that the Lexus LC500s are SELLING POORLY.
Great stuff guys. My thoughts from a guy who did love BMW's (yes, used to). 320i, 318i, 325i, 325xi, 335i, 135is M, 535i (sedan and wagon)...N54's and 55's. Lovely to Drive but the maintenance is ridiculous. Example...my wife's latest bought new started leaking oil heavily at 48,000 miles. Now, as a BMW enthusiast, I was fully aware of all the oil leaking, electronics issues, plastic parts under hood the crack and break, headliner/a-b pillar interior coverings that fall apart, motor mounts that wear out (What???)...yes, they wear out and the engine actually will sink slightly which causes issues. Back to the topic, Toyota guys do not want a heavy maintenance demanded engine (call it unreliable). Just my 2 cents
People have poor memories. The Supra 30 years ago was not appreciated. In fact, the more under appreciated it is now, the more desirable it will be in a couple decades.
I'm 6'2". Love the way it looks. Went to sit in it and hit my head on the roof line. There was no way, getting in or out, that I could avoid it. The sales guy said "Yeah, taller people have a hard time with this car." Never had this issue with any of my other 2 doors.
Why would I buy a BMW from Toyota? It's practically the same as buying a Subaru BRZ from Toyota. In my eyes the engine dictates the identity of the vehicle, its the heart of its identity.
Yes, you end up with the worst of both brands... bmw (lack of) reliability without the the beautiful interior or brand prestige... Toyota meh interior and brand without the reliability. Booo
Subarus BRZ is more Toyota than the BMW Supra. The 86 was designed by a Toyota engineer using some Subie parts and Toyota running gear. The transmission is out of the old IS250 and the differential is out of the old IS300. Toyota’s D4S is also the EFI on a Subaru engine and Subaru is partially owned by Toyota. Meanwhile the Supra is all BMW.
@@user-up1ku4qz5h i also forgot to add that theres nothing prestigious or beautiful about a BMW interior. Its literally the same frigging bland and boring design since decades ago. When I think of beautiful interior design, BMW isn't on the list and I'm pretty sure a huge majority of people would share my opinion. Also not a single person ever sat in a BMW Supra and didn't say "It looks like a BMW in here."
@@CACressida I don’t know.. that may be true for some models.. a cousin was showing me his new 7 series.. I never really thought much of them until seeing the interior. Tastes differ, but certainly a very nice interior by my definition. The rest of the car will probably belong in the garbage as soon as the warranty expires and the first non-covered failure happens.. but the interior is nice.
No manual= no sale, you guys just barley touched on this but let’s face it enthusiast want a manual transmission even if it’s slower shifting it’s far more engaging to drive.
The issue is it's styling and it's pricing. This thing is the neighborhood of Corvette pricing, for example...and the Corvette provides much more. Just my 2 cents.
The original Supra twin turbo was WAY more car than the mustang gt... now they may not be direct replacements for each other but both rank pretty close on the total fun scale.
@@donaldtrumptard2759 they actually outsold the Us mk4 sales(considering the mk4 was a flop of its own anyway)and that was in the market longer than the mk5 was.
As a Toyota fan it pains me to say that this is the biggest disappointment yet and I would never buy this not because of looks but because of its engine.TOYOTA IS TOO DARN LAZY!!!!
I’m going to own a GR Supra after couple more years of my 2017 GT86. Think Tada-San did great stuff with tuning the chassis and suspension. Really liked the styling and was great fun on the test drive I did, steering bit numb in the centre only complaint, oh and could do with some Toyota gauges imo ( Apparently BMW designed tac also although looks nice).
And yet people have been abusing since day one and not having a issue at all with what most are doing with them. Even one guy that tracks the death out of his is still rolling problem free with no issues whatsoever with his.
Supra got Green light From Toyota once they knew it was reliable . BMW statements mentioned several times Toyota was on top of this project until Toyota quality Control was accomplished . Otherwise, car wouldn’t release to the market . Toyota told BMW that they wanted to make sure every single part form engine last long and reach to Toyota standards
@@kristians2704 Yes, the BMW engine block is reliable. What is not is everything bolted to it. The plastic timing chain guides that shred and plug the oil galleries, the vanos ticking time bomb, the electric water pump that shuts down without notification, the plastic pans that warp with heat and begin weeping fluids, and enough carbon buildup in the intake to require sacrificing countless walnuts to sandblast it away…. But yes, that BMW block is very reliable.
They're not underappreciated, they're adequately appreciated. For the price you can get an array of American Legends that are just as fast if not faster.
Stereotypes... I'm sure you can give us a master class on the reliability of the B58 engine. High price relative to what, do you even know what you're talking about? It's effectively a front engine Cayman nearing midengine rotation with GT4 power. You are the answer to the title of the video- an average person with limited to no specific knowledge on a topic who feels compelled to badmouth it anyway.
@@buzzpedrotti5401 at some point in life, if you're lucky, you'll learn not to open your mouth on topics you dont know anything about (beyond your 5 minute google search), or you'll have someone with half a brain come take a shit on you- real simple
@@sly9263 Another mean and sly speculation from a mind-reader? Your acquaintances will know. I cannot, from a few meaningless lines of venom. All construed from six words. Quite the oracle, Mr. Sly.
@@buzzpedrotti5401 you can call it venom, you can call it pancakes... at the end of the day, you still don't know anything about the car you're talking shit about, big guy. you play a strong victim though- you honing that act in the workplace I assume?
It's just the lack of "purity" I suppose. There have been collaborations before but this more obvious than before. But in 20 years there could be many shared battery skateboards and the only thing different could be the body on top. It's just the transition and humans don't like change. But it's a niche car so hardly anyone has a use for it. They probably knew this and that is why they didn't want to dump a billion dollars into making a low volume car when you can build one with shelf parts.
Factz! Im sure its not reliable either... the Mk 4 Supra was a true Toyota that could reach over 200,000 miles (as a sports car) without issues and was developed at the same time the 3rd gen Camry was. Which we all know the 3rd gen Camry is bulletproof...😂
I’ve never owned one but I would buy one because it’s a the best of two iconic car makers , the 3 ltr to 60 is quicker than my rs4 ffs that has to be cool 👍
Roman said the 6 cylinder turbo is rated at 280hp and 275 lb ft and the 4 cylinder turbo is rated at 255 hp and 295 lb ft. If these numbers are accurate, why would anyone get the 6 cylinder?
I was just about to make the same comment. Personally I lean more towards the M240i. The 4 cylinder version might be comparable to an Ecoboost mustang with the 10 speed, performance pack, and magneride.
Roman, here's my thought, the people who asked for a Supra aren't happy with the Supra. However the people that want a 2 door sport coupe are perfectly happy and appreciative of it. My reasoning behind this is, if you were at a restaurant, asked for a Medium-rare T-bone steak, and the waiter brought you a medium sirloin, would you appreciate it? The issue is, this isn't a Supra. It shouldn't have the Supra nameplate... You don't see Nissan partnering with Audi to make the GT-R? Granted, you pay for it, but you know you are getting a hand assembled engine by one of the most experienced Engineers at the plant...
I appreciate the fact Toyota even bothered to make (and I use that term lightly) this car. I understand the reasoning behind the partnership with BMW, but it's not a Supra. If I wanted this, I'd have just gone to BMW.
@Saint Fifty One your point is? Also, why do you keep randomly capitalizing letters? Is that supposed to help drive the point home?... whatever that point is.
Mk4 A80 Supra is a YAMAHA, Aristo, Getreg, and BMW, and was a poor seller when it was released to the public . Hence Toyota canceling it off in 1998 in the USA and 2002 in Japan. Along with the MK3 looking like a copy of the BMW 850i of the 1980s. And the MK2 and Mk1 Supras are both Lotus(British) cars with fkn Toyota badges! So what is the fuss with the Toyota Supra A90 MK5 being co-developed by BMW?
The A80 Supra was from another time man. Another world, another Japan - where they built more. Now theyre a service economy like ours. Makes sense to outsource sports car development LOL
Ok, Im back to amend my earlier comment... I did just see a blacked out Supra GR and it did look really nice! Not sure I would ever convert from the Z but the blacked out Supra GR was a head turner!
Roman, you and I are the same age. You’re so correct that the ‘85ish Supra was something special for the day. My best friend and I were 16 when his Dad came home from to Flagstaff from Bell Road Toyota in Phoenix with a red one. At first i scoffed as he’d gotten rid of a 924 to get it (smart move). Man was I wrong. Even at 7,000’ that thing left an impression on me. His dad was a Chemistry professor at NAU and fairly liberal, including his son’s access to the keys. We had respectful fun with that car. Even though the later gen’s get more attention, that second gen (I think, boxy) was/is my fav. (Didn’t they have head issues though?)
Im on the fence. Bmw repair bills. Its a toyota for bmw prices. It does look cool"saw a couple in real life" but i cant justify owning one. Youve taken out the Toyota reliability and replaced it with known bmw problems. If this was an in house Toyota product id be sold but we would have never seen it come to fruition. The real successor to the supra "lexus lfa" took 10 years. Hell the lfa evens looks like an evolution of the supra.
@@chuckcribbs3398 it’s not that they’re unreliable really. It’s that when you do have problems you have to spend Corolla money to repair it. Like, you could buy a Corolla…
I can tell you why… I bought a BMW Z4 brand new in 2016, it was broken so often I ended up putting more miles on their loan cars, literally. I SWITCHED to Toyota AND Lexus for my car needs to get away from BMW, now BMW is making a car with the Toyota badge. BMW builds amazing handling cars and fantastic engines that should be ditched before they are out of warranty, that has NEVER been the expectation of Toyota buyers.
Too soon to speak about the reliability one way or the other. However the car as delivered is 382hp, gets over 30mpg and out performed the M2 Competition in most track tests. Not too mention a simple reflash of the ECU yields another 80 hp and even more torque. Considering the prices of the Porsche Cayman and the markups on the C8 Corvette this sits in a class by itself.
I work at a Toyota dealership. Yes definitely people cross shop Toyota Supra with the Ford Mustang and Camaro! I’m not a fan of Supra in Yellow or Red but it looks amazing in Black, Phantom, Absolute Zero, Tungsten, Turbulence Grey and Refraction Blue.
When I heard a new Surpra was coming. I thought about 1000whp 2JZ walking everything on the freeway. When this came out I was like AWWWWWW the disappointment LOL
this is the problem they put the wrong transmission in and they put a crap motor in and so it can't even begin to live up to the old one, so people are mad!
Can’t live up to the old one?? You really know nothing about this car and it’s motor. It’s a 10 second car with only a tune and a downpipe. These motors are pushing 800 whp on stock blocks just like the 2J. You doubt my statements look up Mike Botti tuned Supra’s.
In a world where most new cars look alike, when one comes along that looks different, and looks fantastic, it has to be appreciated. But now, I can't decide between the Supra and the Kia Soul. (In 30 or 40 years, the Supra will be one of those classic collectables that no one can afford, so buy one or two now and put them in your barn.)
Short answer: it’s not a Toyota, it’s a BMW. Yes it’s a nice car but it’s just a reskinned BMW. I’m surprised they went this route considering the Supra’s legacy.
@@lensoprezole5322 but it didn't sell ANYWHERE NEAR what the expectation was for a "5th gen supra" it's a "reskinned BMW z4" dubbed the BMW Turdpra!! So why save money if you aren't going to make any? Not sure who at Toyota dropped the ball on this, but I hope they got fired for this disaster sales....
@@donaldtrumptard2759 I am definitely perplexed. It seems they would have been better off not releasing this and waiting till they were able to develop it properly or not at all.
@@donaldtrumptard2759 still outsold the whole A80 generation in pretty much 2 years without Toyota spending too much. They technically made money off of it. Lmao
Because it looks as a opposite to "bad ass". They should stick to the concept look of FT1. Not squish it like they did, but stick to the proportions. Supra is bleh, FT1 is WOOOOWWWWW WANT ONE!!!!!
Love how nearly everyone in the comments knows nothing about the B58 and it’s power potential. Capable of 800 hp on a stock block and is an upper 10 second car with only a tune and a downpipe. Keep up the comments saying “it’s only a BMW” 🤡
@@devinbender8428 When we refer to it being new 2jz we speak about its capabilities of reaching levels of power gains on stock eternals... You cant compare a LS or a coyote to a n54 to b58 or a 2jz because we are talking about straight 6 engines.. You will never see people swapping a BMW engine because BMW engines has BMW reputations.
1994: Supra Turbo: 320 hp Mustang GT: 215 hp Mustang SVT Cobra: 240 hp Ferrari F355: 375 hp 2021: Supra 3.0: 382 hp Mustang GT: 460 hp Mustang GT500: 760 hp Ferrari F8: 710 hp The disappointment is that 4th gen Supra Turbo was a world beater. It didn't build its reputation as a nimble sports car, it built its reputation on the 2JZ power. You don't see them at auto cross events, or road course track days, you see them at the drag strip. Of course the 5th gen is quicker than the 4th gen. Cars have gotten quicker in 25 years. But compared to its peers, it doesn't stand out.
Bro the new Supra hits the quarter mile in 12.1 seconds stock! Plus if you did a little research you would know the car really has 448hp the the crank 388 hp to the wheels, 0-60 3.9 seconds on a rear wheel drive. What else do you want.
Needs a targa top and a orange paint option. It doesn’t help that it comes with a 4 cylinder. When I first heard that when they were announced I stopped paying attention and didn’t even realize for a while it could be had with a six cylinder.
The hate is for a simple.... Basic reason.... And it holds a very big meaning to reflect on car industry.... It is ( the worst thing about new supra... The thing the poeple hate most about the new supra... The cause of all shortcomings in the new supra is... Its made by BMW)... For me that is a big thing... Can u imagine bmw being the worst thing about a car???
@@user-up1ku4qz5h its a well known reputation, that i dont need to try personally and it is a big reason to not come near any bmw, and honestly its why i skipped the supra...! Funny enough... The subaru-toyota is just totally fine and better than expected Its humiliating to bmw And the upcoming Z would rub this fact in bmw's face
@@abuali4680 I doubt that the Z will do much. If toyo wanted to they could easily just yank the turbos off bmws S58 and easily match the Z in power and probably even strap on the same 6 speed manuel from the M3/M4 and call it a day. If BMW allowed toyo to get their hands on their S58 i6 then the Z wouldn't be able to touch the mk5. Now its too early to compare both since we still havent heard anything/gotten real life tests to prove its better(till August)but it's not going to kill the mk5 if it can't do many of the same feats the mk5 can.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 the idea is not about numbers on papers, and i dont think it ever was, the idea is to provide a platform, i give u this supra... everything works well and well put together... Then u take it and do your thing... Strip off parts... Add parts... Turbo... Twin turbo... Quad turbo.. Just do ur thing Same as for the z Just see how it happened that the mk5 has downgraded the supra status from GTR rival... To Z rival! While its supposed to be the 86 the z rival True we cant say much until z is out, but just for the known fact that z is pure japanese, and mk5 is a bmw... Tells a lot about what we r going to see I odnt say toyota cant do... They can do better than anyone... But it was a terrible choice to hook it with bmw, and i think this will let mk5 sit on the bench until a japanese mk6 comes... If it ever will See how fantastic is the 86!!! That sthe formula... Pure japanese platform for ur imagination
@@abuali4680 the mk4 was rivaling the Z in its time also and was even in the same class as it also(since both the mk4 and z were both GT cars in that time)while the 34 was a sportscar in its time in a class separate from the mk4. Yes their stats we're similar but that doesn't change that they were both in separate classes from each other. All that happened was that the gtr went from a sportscar to a supercar while the Z went from a gt to a sportscar. Same thing happened to the mk5 since that same shift had happened to the Z. So from the get go toyo wasn't even planning on ever putting the mk5 against the GTR since that would be a massive lead over what they put the last 2 gens against the Z(mk3 was also going against the Z aswell). They didn't downgrade,they just switched the supras classes so that it could still go against the Z like the last gens did and also being a affordable tuner car aswell(which is becoming well more clear with tge amount of modded mk5s going around)unlike whats going down with thw gtr. Also,lets not forget that the Z is using a well over decade old chassis(that's modified) + a 5 year+ old ttV6 so i wouldn't get my hopes up at all,vs the mk5 thats newer and using a updated and has a good motor/trans combo with it aswell. Japanese or not theres no hiding that they're using decade old stuff vs a car with a new chassis and etc going along with it. Now we can't say either cars better yet since one of them isn't out yet/not knowing the stats of it either so time will tell whether or not its better or not.
Cross-shopped, and my fully loaded Mach 1 came in at 58,000!! With all the track cooling systems, the tremec manual transmission, magnaride suspension, a 480hp v8 and 4 mostly usable seats is a bargain in comparison!!!!! 😽😻💪
@@jpSD297 I didn’t buy it because it’s fast. That’s why I chose the manual. I bought it for driver engagement. And it is one of the most engaging drives I’ve had for a while! :-)
@Glasspack40 Yes because even though it’s slower than the 382 hp supra GR, it’s guttural and it is something you feel in the drive, if I wanted a faster version I would’ve gotten the automatic and then put a supercharger on it. If you were in the area I’d say let’s go for a drive you’ll love it! :-) That’s the same thing I would say if I had a supra, except it just wouldn’t have a manual and it would be a little bit less engaging.
@@bigneutron77 I'd expect a brand new bmw to feel better than an Mk4. Doesnt say much. I mean shit, you have both so I know you know how special the Mk4 is. Okay fine, they dont handle the same as a newer sports car, maybe not as fast either but it doesnt matter....obviously it doesnt matter because you still have one, because its special. You love the sound and the feeling it gives you. The driver engagement, that toyota smell in the interior. Toyota is more than capable of creating a successor to their holy grail car but they chose to cheap out and save money by enlisting the Germans to build the car. That's fine because at the end of the day, Toyota is in the business of making money and the Supra nor any sports car they ever made is a cash cow. But, they're trying to pass this thing off as a Supra and its just....not.
@@Mistadontplay89 but how much would it cost tho? Out of anything toyo sucks pricing any homemade car that isn't made for your every day family/soccer mom which u can clearly see with the whole F line up and the LC500 for example. Itd be pretty clear that it'd be a bad move on their end cause knowing toyo they wouldn't hold back on overpricing the car/taking forver to make it if it's something like the supra.
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Why the hate?
Because people wanted a performance and style beast that cost the same as a GT86
A hater always starts off being unrealistic
You cant expect a luxury car (Supra is a reskinned BMW Z) to cost the same as a GT86
And honestly for what you get its pretty affordable even though its way more expensive than a GT86
Is that a supra
I pulled up next to a supra in a tesla and gave the supra driver the signal to go at the green light. He literally shook his head and laughed. I think that says it all. Lol
The 6 cylinder turbo has 382 Horsepower not 280. Also it makes 368 ft-lbs of torque not 270.
He’s hard to understand but yes he said three hundred not 2 hundred… or at least meant it
@@turboshottho he said 280hp/270tq.....its not hard to hear that's what he said.... And it's wrong
@@turboshottho 3:50 easy check before commenting.
@@Titan7170 you’re right. I at least hope he meant 3 hundred
@@turboshottho I'm surprised his son didn't correct him or put up on the screen the correct numbers when they did the edit
It's not underappreciated, it's appreciated exactly as much as it deserves. Noone wanted a badge engineered bmw convertible as the successor to the mark IV.
2021 and up Supra real numbers are, 388 hp to the wheels, 447 to the crank 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds, quarter mile in 12.1 seconds. It’s faster than The Mach 1, C7 corvette and so many other sports cars. This car hits mid 11 seconds with just the tires being change. Down pipe and a tune has this cars hitting the 550hp (reliable)
broke haters who can’t afford this car always have something to say 😂
"It's a Miata killer, but so is taking the bus in a lot of ways." Single handedly the best one liner I've heard this year.
Its the fact that BMW engineered 90% of the car and its not a Toyota that gets me. BMW ranks at the bottom of the list on reliability and top of the list on cost of maintenance and repair.
BMW can make extremely reliable cars and their inline 6 cylinder engines are second to none. They choose not to make reliable cars because they make more money on parts and maintenance than they do on the sale of the actual vehicle.
IKR?!?! it's called brainwashing and marketing. Most people are sheeple who can't actually think for themselves, it's sooooo sad the world we live in. #suckstosuck
@@fatalmastermind the b58 is actually really reliable. and even the n55 was fairly reliable. bmw's if maintained are quite reliable in general, the problem is the poors buy used ones and don't know how to follow instructions
Why the hate.? A sports car with no manual transmission, and a company with their own racing division doesn’t bother to design and build their own car. As a previous owner of 2 older Supra’s I would not even consider this car.
This isn't a car I've been following but have always loved the Supra's and have seen this new one around and liked the look of it. Shocked when I watched this to see that it is a BMW engine, has iDrive and built in Austria. That seems crazy for all the points you mentioned. Toyota certainly is capable of building an amazing sports car but just punted this and is basically licensing out the Supra name.
I love how you guys do the father and son agree or disagree. I also like the Supra but they are out of my price range.
This actually the one series they do that I don't like. It all seems fake. I like this channel for their straight forward reviews and towing vids. This series just seems produced. Like an ESPN program. "OK, you be skip Bayless and I'll be the counter argument" or just like any Head to Head from Motortrend. Arguing just for the sake of arguing. I get my drama from sports. Not produced programing. That's what the Bravo channel is for, not an automobile information channel. This is why there is 8 different Discovery channels (all packed with setup reality shows. Just my thought that a worth of 1/6billion.
True
I liked the channel when his dorky son wasn’t in it.
Tommy is my favorite on this channel. He’s knowledgeable & more likable than his dad or Nathan.
It's a decent BMW... just don't try to convince me it's a Toyota.
(Golf Tournament applause noises) 👏
if it doesnt have a yamaha engine it's not a supra
The original 2jz is from yamaha..please dont try to convince that old car is from toyota
@@Dashamuulam Toyota owns a large portion of Yamaha. Besides, Yamaha is an engine builder specialist. Even ford had a car with a Yamaha engine.
@@nitroxide17 thats what happens. here they co developed this engine with toyota's reliability standards..and this engine is capable of 1000hp and everyone says its more capable than a 2jz iron block..what else its the most reliable engine.
This car is an Entemann’s pound cake. There’s nothing wrong with it. But, there’s nothing “right” with it, either. Of people going to the grocery store with $4.29, only a rare few are actually wanting an Entemann’s pound cake. There are 100 different things you can get for the same money, but only a select few actually go shopping, specifically, for it.
@@evanl889 Yeah, is cake comment is lame LOL 😂
@@evanl889 The same reason why there's so many Starbucks coffees in hands. It's been forceably shoved into our lives for so many years.
@@lensoprezole5322 Then why don't you formulate a proper retort, and maybe put it into a format that isn't so grammatically confusing? I know I have an open mind to friendly debate.
We're waiting.....
@@LukeEdward peepe poopoo
it an amazing car, very fast and goes from a wild beast to a tame highway cruiser with a button press.
It’s gobsmacking for people to be banging on about this being a BMW! People drive the new Aston Martins with the 4 L V8 and say how amazing it is - Mercedes engine! People used to bang on about how great the Ford focus ST with a 2.5 engine / 5 cylinder is and more so the Ford Focus RS MK2 with the same VOLVO engine! Car manufacturers have been doing this forever - BMW use Peugeot engines - so what !! The BMW Z4 and the Toyota Supra look so different and the BIG plus with Toyota is a 5 YEAR WARRANTY- what’s not to like !!!
It’s not a Toyota, that’s the problem. Have to agree with Roman.
This is the whole reason, and will forever be, BMW engines are not reliable long term, Toyotas are, I wouldn't invest in one.
Would be better if Toyota would of put a updated 2jz in it. I'm ok with Toyota using a BMW chassis
@@kingripper4079 Best par of this car is b58 engine, it is as good as 2jz
@@Adam2050 bmw 6 cylinder engines are reliable, they’re electronics are unreliable
@@Adam2050 🤣🤣🤣 tell me what was unreliable about the n55 engine it’s not reliability it’s maintenance people are afraid of electric water pump will fail around the 50k mark and the rubber gaskets perish just like any other rubber does, they’re far from unreliable the b58 was based off the n55 people hear bmw and think unreliable people hear Lexus and think reliable but their hybrids suck but people don’t mention the unreliable cars in Lexus line up just like people don’t mention the reliable cars in the bmw line up
Let’s wait for the Nissan Z Proto with 400+ hp and manual transmission.
so... an actual JDM vehicle?
@@syroncoda My thoughts exactly! 😎👍🏼
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Great car but this car probably gets killed off by Toyota before anybody realizes it. Hype killed this car just like the NSX. Too many people watching fast and furious or playing gran turismo being critical about the car. Funny thing is most of the people being critical of the car are driving vans and 4 doors or a bunch of 15 year olds barely in adulthood.
"like the NSX" ROFLMAO ok beta boy, the NSX is a waaaay more expensive option, trust me....If the country wasn't a piece of shit and piss all over the middle class and poor , you would see ALOT more NSX...those are cold hard facts, deal with it
@@donaldtrumptard2759 the Audi R8 outsells the NSX. Audi R8 has sold 356 units in 2021 ytd while the Acura NSX has sold 60 units ytd. Acura is the lower priced car yet it doesn’t sell well. Why? Like I said because of the hype. Everybody wanted it to be a hyper car. The first generation was a legit competitor to the Ferrari and Lambo counterparts. Once it was announced V6, media and people shit on it for no reason. Media grudgingly agreed it was a great car but liked to point out what it wasn’t instead of what it was. Not sure why you’re so angry. The Honda Civic Type R has a better interior than the NSX, which to me is a huge problem. If you are gonna charge super car prices, even if it’s an entry level price, the interior should be top of the line. When I say top of the line, I mean it should be in line with the Audi R8, Mercedes Amg GTR, Porsche 911…yet it’s not even the best at Honda. Yes, hype killed the Nsx. It’s a good car but everybody overhyped it.
I’ll only appreciate this if it ever comes with a manual. That’s part of the value for me.
Remember, Remember the 5th of November,...
it did, in the 4 banger version they made HAHAHAHA!
thats the thing , Toyota doesn't need appreciation they need a sale ;)
It won't
I mean auto is kinda faster. And has more resale value. I don't have a problem with that it's just the lack of innovation from such a legendary platform.
Most car people would rather buy a bmw with a Toyota engine than a Toyota with a bmw engine. This abomination is a slap in the face to their loyal customers.
why would I want a Toyota engine in a luxury car? BMW has the best 6 cylinder engienes in the world
@@kristians2704 Until the repair bills start coming in...
@@kristians2704 bmws fall apart and end up in the scrap years after a few years. Toyota fans expect cars their cars to last.
@@BrandonIngrassia they def don’t go to the scrap yard after a few years. In Europe every other car on the road is a used BMW/Audi/Mercedes but even in the US there are quite a lot of old BMWs on the road. They aren’t as reliable as Toyotas but they have aren’t as bad as some people say.
@@kristians2704 - BMW = absolute trash. It is shameful that Toyota hooked-up with them because they were too unwilling to build their own sports car. THAT is why so many are disgusted with this “Supra”.
Funny with all the hate here, I get none of that on the road and car meets. All I got are good attentions and thumbs ups. Also realize, the last time Toyota developed a sports car in house ended up costing $300K new while not making any profits. LFA anyone? The rate these cars are selling does not justify the means of spending hundreds of million in R&D. So Toyota did the next best thing, which I'm good with that.
After dealer markup and for about the same amount of money, I'd go for the lexus rcf
No thanks, no dealer markup for me, actually got a discount.
@@jeffreypaulb5399 how? Factory bought?
When I bought, got the 1500 manufactures discount and the dealer added another 3500 off. Off the dealer lot
Disagree. Why would you want a heavy lump of a vehicle that weighs about 4K lbs over this?
@@jeffreypaulb5399 If it comes to discounts, I get a much bigger discount on the RC over the supra making it the cheaper option.
Way too soon to say there's any Toyota "reliability" built into this BMW...Agree with most here, it ain't a Toyota and certainly isn't appreciated for that reason.
Well was the n55 reliable that’s what the b58 was based off 🤦♂️ you really think Toyota would take an unreliable engine if you did your research you would see why they took it
Exactly.
I mean, Toyota broke so many B58 parts during their usual testing procedures BMW engineers got mad. They had to revise the parts until Toyota was satisfied with their durability. If anything, this will make the B58 the most reliable engine BMW will make in the modern era.
@@LouisSubearth That is wonderful. My neighbor has one and although the powertrain is fine, after one year it rattles like a rattle trap. I guess Toyota should have spent more time worrying about the overall car, not just the engine. Too bad.
@@LouisSubearth let the toxic crowd of lemmings who spout off their dad's stereotypes and dont actually know anything about the b58 and the ZF do their thing... there's no fixing that mentality, lmao
The supra prototype was so much better looking than the prodution one...
The one with the fans at the front?
the FT1 concept, ahh yes i remember the "hype train" and I told EVERYONE that it will NEVER look that cool. well it may had if shit BMW didn't get involved lol, looks just like a Z4! what garbage
yes, the FT1 concept was/is beautiful... but that car would have cost well into 6 figures and been priced far outside of the range of the actual supra & modder community.
@@donaldtrumptard2759 you can say it looks like garbage and, of course you're entitled to your opinion (albeit expressed in a very lowbrow and immature way), but I get far more compliments and attention on my MK5 Supra than I did on my C7 Z06 or my old boxster... its basically every time I go anywhere, even just for fast food. we live in a time where people thrive on negativity and talking shit, especially about topics they have about 5 minutes worth of knowledge on (at best).
The prototype is always better looking.
Why not see it for what it is, a great car made as collaboration between two of the greatest car company's. This Is going to be a classic, it is better than any supra before. I just wish it had manual transmission option.
Because people hate the fact that Toyota have so little regard for such an iconic car would be clone with a tepid BMW. Better they build another 100K GR Yaris Coupes instead and stop this Supra travesty.
Yet the "pure Toyota cars" like the Lexus LFA, Lexus RCF, Lexus ISF, Lexus LC500 , etc and Toyota Supra MK4(the MK4 A80 Supra was a poor sellin' car from start to finish and it was criticized as well....let alone while stock wasn't all that) etc....all were bad sellin' cars
Yet when the "not pure Toyota" MK5 Supra A90 is in the mix ya'll peeps want to get bch pissy mad??? Ya'll insane
And as for the Lexus LC500. That was not long ago became one of Toyota's lack sellin' cars
For me, the Supra is a lazy attempt by Toyota to revive an 'old legend'. Using the underpinnings and engine from a BMW... Ok, I can live with that! Styling the exterior and then forgetting to re-style the interior, especially the console (as well as the the door mirrors) to make it at least look like 'Toyota' from the inside... It's Just BAD, BAD, BAD and extremely 'LAZY' from Toyota!!!
They couldn't justify building it if they didn't partner with BMW. If they hadn't partnered, then we'd have no Supra. I'll gladly take a BMW Supra over no Supra. It wasn't lazy, it was the only option. It's a good car, nothing about it is lazy. Would I prefer a Toyota designed and built car? Yes, absolutely. But we didn't get that and it doesn't appear that we ever will, so I'm gonna make do with what we have instead of complaining. To me, the biggest issue is the lack of a manual.
Toyota has been lazy for the past 10 years lol
@@IronicTonic8 GTR R35s don't have a manual, yet there is no fuss on those.
@@borla4491 The option for a manual is a personal preference. I'm not interested in the GTR, so I can't comment on that, but I would assume there is a crowd of people out there who wish it had a manual option. You probably aren't hearing about it because the car has been on the market for well over a decade and its old news. I can understand why manuals are not being offered with modern sports cars, but I don't have to be happy about it.
2.0L with a manual and removable targa roof would be pretty much perfect.
Buy a Miata then 😂
@@muhammadnaseerbutt7183 If the MX5 RF was a little bit bigger, I just might.
The problem is Toyota can build a great sports car, they can make a beast of a straight 6. They say it's comes down to cost... Ford builds a 6 figure supercar like every 10 years from the ground up, I'm sure Toyota can afford their own ground up sports car.
They definitely can, but cost of production turns into more money that the customer has to pay
LC 500
@@BigMac785 you're not too far off, supposedly the LC500 was loosely based on the chassis of the FT-1 concept
@@exquisiteart6478 It's not like they didn't know it would be coming back at some point, pretty sure they race fast cars in whatever events around the world. they are just LAZY, GREEDY POS! , that's all there is to it. ... And due to their lazy, greedy, POS mentality, they have lost such a following on an iconic sports car.....so sad, and to let BMW in on it? ROFLMAO!! what a piss poor choice for an unreliable, overpriced garbage engine....Honda Type R makes the Turdpra look like the POS it is anyways, so suck it!
@@donaldtrumptard2759
Newsflash.
The Chassis of the A90 Mk5 was developed by both , Toyota and BMW.
After that, Toyota and BMW went both their SEPERATE WAYS to further design their own vehicles for that chassis.
Along with the fact that the B58 Engines in the Mark 5 A90 was tested by Toyota which all faulty parts was shipped back to BMW!
The BMW engineers for that engine had a headache after all the parts that was faulty was shipped back to them......
Toyota didn't just "slap their name on their vehicle called it a day". There's a lot than that too that!
Toyota couldn't just "make the vehicle and engine on their own" due to the fact that they had no platform nor tools and die to make a Straight 6 from 0!
If Toyota did "make the Supra A90 MK5 on their own" , the price tag would be in the range of the Nissan GTR and Honda NSX which those are SELLING POORLY .
Toyota, wanted to stick to making the Supra MK5 A90 attainable to the masses. Not unattainable to the masses.
Period.
Also, MK4 A80 Supra, sold POORLY in the 1990s. Newsflash.
And the Lexus LFA(which Lexuses are from Toyota), that SOLD POORLY which Toyota LOST MONEY on that also.
Along with the fact that the Lexus LC500s are SELLING POORLY.
Great stuff guys. My thoughts from a guy who did love BMW's (yes, used to). 320i, 318i, 325i, 325xi, 335i, 135is M, 535i (sedan and wagon)...N54's and 55's. Lovely to Drive but the maintenance is ridiculous. Example...my wife's latest bought new started leaking oil heavily at 48,000 miles. Now, as a BMW enthusiast, I was fully aware of all the oil leaking, electronics issues, plastic parts under hood the crack and break, headliner/a-b pillar interior coverings that fall apart, motor mounts that wear out (What???)...yes, they wear out and the engine actually will sink slightly which causes issues. Back to the topic, Toyota guys do not want a heavy maintenance demanded engine (call it unreliable). Just my 2 cents
People have poor memories. The Supra 30 years ago was not appreciated. In fact, the more under appreciated it is now, the more desirable it will be in a couple decades.
Exactly.
And let's not forget the poor sales it had.
Same with the LFAs and the Lc500s of currently.
I'm 6'2". Love the way it looks. Went to sit in it and hit my head on the roof line. There was no way, getting in or out, that I could avoid it. The sales guy said "Yeah, taller people have a hard time with this car." Never had this issue with any of my other 2 doors.
I'm 6'2 also, thanks for the info!
Why would I buy a BMW from Toyota? It's practically the same as buying a Subaru BRZ from Toyota. In my eyes the engine dictates the identity of the vehicle, its the heart of its identity.
Yes, you end up with the worst of both brands... bmw (lack of) reliability without the the beautiful interior or brand prestige... Toyota meh interior and brand without the reliability. Booo
Subarus BRZ is more Toyota than the BMW Supra. The 86 was designed by a Toyota engineer using some Subie parts and Toyota running gear. The transmission is out of the old IS250 and the differential is out of the old IS300. Toyota’s D4S is also the EFI on a Subaru engine and Subaru is partially owned by Toyota. Meanwhile the Supra is all BMW.
Atleast the BRZ/86 is still Toyota built with a Subaru Engine, unlike the Supra where Toyota only did quality control on a BMW and called it a Supra.
@@user-up1ku4qz5h i also forgot to add that theres nothing prestigious or beautiful about a BMW interior. Its literally the same frigging bland and boring design since decades ago. When I think of beautiful interior design, BMW isn't on the list and I'm pretty sure a huge majority of people would share my opinion. Also not a single person ever sat in a BMW Supra and didn't say "It looks like a BMW in here."
@@CACressida I don’t know.. that may be true for some models.. a cousin was showing me his new 7 series.. I never really thought much of them until seeing the interior. Tastes differ, but certainly a very nice interior by my definition. The rest of the car will probably belong in the garbage as soon as the warranty expires and the first non-covered failure happens.. but the interior is nice.
No manual= no sale, you guys just barley touched on this but let’s face it enthusiast want a manual transmission even if it’s slower shifting it’s far more engaging to drive.
And no one bitched and complained about the Nissan R35 GTRs of not having a manual.
Save the Hypocrite talks.
Ignore the haters it's a beautiful looking car with a beautiful exhaust note when equipped with the 3.0.
The issue is it's styling and it's pricing. This thing is the neighborhood of Corvette pricing, for example...and the Corvette provides much more. Just my 2 cents.
I think Tommy is right. The Supra is cross shopped with cars like the Mustang and Camaro. It was the same back in the day as well.
The original Supra twin turbo was WAY more car than the mustang gt... now they may not be direct replacements for each other but both rank pretty close on the total fun scale.
I very much appreciate mine and cannot possibly explain how much I don't care what someone else thinks. It's a great car.
It's NOT a Supra. It's a BMW Z4.
I can tell you a reason and that’s because the Supra cost 55k
that and you can get the same drive train in a BMW m240I for $46k!
they didn't even sell 3k the first year IN THE US! HAHAHAHAAHAHA FAAAAAAILBOAT!
For good reason and still are
@@donaldtrumptard2759 they actually outsold the Us mk4 sales(considering the mk4 was a flop of its own anyway)and that was in the market longer than the mk5 was.
I love how we all knew the Supra would be BMW-built since 2014, yet people didn't start to complain until the unveil.
As a Toyota fan it pains me to say that this is the biggest disappointment yet and I would never buy this not because of looks but because of its engine.TOYOTA IS TOO DARN LAZY!!!!
When you realise b58 is more capable to tune than old 2jz.
I have driven a modded 4th gen supra and I own a 2021. B58 is a better engine. Hands down.
@@armandocardona6975 yep
Once you drive a tuned one you will realize just how special this engine is
Man... Just put a little more Toyota in the interior and add a 6-7 speed, stick.
Hypocrite talks......the R35 has no Manual option yet isnt fussed on for not having one.
I’m going to own a GR Supra after couple more years of my 2017 GT86. Think Tada-San did great stuff with tuning the chassis and suspension. Really liked the styling and was great fun on the test drive I did, steering bit numb in the centre only complaint, oh and could do with some Toyota gauges imo ( Apparently BMW designed tac also although looks nice).
It should have a TT3.5 Toyota engine. Just wait until the BMW rot sets in...
And yet people have been abusing since day one and not having a issue at all with what most are doing with them. Even one guy that tracks the death out of his is still rolling problem free with no issues whatsoever with his.
my friend has 700 hp and dailies his with 0 problems lol. he has 20k miles on it so far.
Maybe people are afraid of bmws notoriously unreliable engines?
Then you don't know about how good the B58 is
@@BabaYagaRacing There's a few solid BMW engines but they're clearly not Toyota reliable.
Supra got Green light From Toyota once they knew it was reliable . BMW statements mentioned several times Toyota was on top of this project until Toyota quality Control was accomplished . Otherwise, car wouldn’t release to the market . Toyota told BMW that they wanted to make sure every single part form engine last long and reach to Toyota standards
BMW 6 cylinder engines are very reliable
@@kristians2704 Yes, the BMW engine block is reliable. What is not is everything bolted to it. The plastic timing chain guides that shred and plug the oil galleries, the vanos ticking time bomb, the electric water pump that shuts down without notification, the plastic pans that warp with heat and begin weeping fluids, and enough carbon buildup in the intake to require sacrificing countless walnuts to sandblast it away…. But yes, that BMW block is very reliable.
I'll take old supra over the new one any day
They're not underappreciated, they're adequately appreciated. For the price you can get an array of American Legends that are just as fast if not faster.
German reliability. High price. Limited appeal.
Stereotypes... I'm sure you can give us a master class on the reliability of the B58 engine. High price relative to what, do you even know what you're talking about? It's effectively a front engine Cayman nearing midengine rotation with GT4 power. You are the answer to the title of the video- an average person with limited to no specific knowledge on a topic who feels compelled to badmouth it anyway.
@@sly9263 You get a lot of milage out of six words. Is mind-reading venom inherited or a practiced skill?
@@buzzpedrotti5401 at some point in life, if you're lucky, you'll learn not to open your mouth on topics you dont know anything about (beyond your 5 minute google search), or you'll have someone with half a brain come take a shit on you- real simple
@@sly9263 Another mean and sly speculation from a mind-reader?
Your acquaintances will know. I cannot, from a few meaningless lines of venom.
All construed from six words. Quite the oracle, Mr. Sly.
@@buzzpedrotti5401 you can call it venom, you can call it pancakes... at the end of the day, you still don't know anything about the car you're talking shit about, big guy. you play a strong victim though- you honing that act in the workplace I assume?
also why didn't toyota put the V6 supercharged engine that they put in the Evora, to keep it Toyoya.
@Glasspack40 other than Nissan's VR38
Toyota should have stayed with their Supra and the 2jz. As evidence, their are folks paying more for that car now than it cost new.
There will always be stupid people. This is better car and b58 is great engine.
@@zelenizub2036 am i right? LMAO
@@zelenizub2036 Junk
@@grabir01 your opinion is junk. You say that every car is junk on almost every video
@@kristians2704 Most every car is junk. So sad. It was not always like this.
It's just the lack of "purity" I suppose. There have been collaborations before but this more obvious than before. But in 20 years there could be many shared battery skateboards and the only thing different could be the body on top. It's just the transition and humans don't like change. But it's a niche car so hardly anyone has a use for it. They probably knew this and that is why they didn't want to dump a billion dollars into making a low volume car when you can build one with shelf parts.
Always loved the Supra. Never owned one. My favourite Design queue on this version is the Viperesque roofline
Nice car. Not a Toyota. Supra fans like me wanted a next generation Toyota Supra, not this abomination.
Factz! Im sure its not reliable either... the Mk 4 Supra was a true Toyota that could reach over 200,000 miles (as a sports car) without issues and was developed at the same time the 3rd gen Camry was.
Which we all know the 3rd gen Camry is bulletproof...😂
I’ve never owned one but I would buy one because it’s a the best of two iconic car makers , the 3 ltr to 60 is quicker than my rs4 ffs that has to be cool 👍
Roman said the 6 cylinder turbo is rated at 280hp and 275 lb ft and the 4 cylinder turbo is rated at 255 hp and 295 lb ft. If these numbers are accurate, why would anyone get the 6 cylinder?
He was wrong in the numbers. Misspoke...
Cross-shop perhaps with a BMW M240i, I’m not to sure about a Hellcat. The Supra is more compact, nimble, lightweight and direct.
I was just about to make the same comment. Personally I lean more towards the M240i. The 4 cylinder version might be comparable to an Ecoboost mustang with the 10 speed, performance pack, and magneride.
Roman, here's my thought, the people who asked for a Supra aren't happy with the Supra. However the people that want a 2 door sport coupe are perfectly happy and appreciative of it. My reasoning behind this is, if you were at a restaurant, asked for a Medium-rare T-bone steak, and the waiter brought you a medium sirloin, would you appreciate it? The issue is, this isn't a Supra. It shouldn't have the Supra nameplate... You don't see Nissan partnering with Audi to make the GT-R? Granted, you pay for it, but you know you are getting a hand assembled engine by one of the most experienced Engineers at the plant...
Thanks for the thoughtful comment!
I appreciate the fact Toyota even bothered to make (and I use that term lightly) this car. I understand the reasoning behind the partnership with BMW, but it's not a Supra. If I wanted this, I'd have just gone to BMW.
@Saint Fifty One your point is?
Also, why do you keep randomly capitalizing letters? Is that supposed to help drive the point home?... whatever that point is.
Most of the people complaining about this car can't even afford one...🤷🏾♂️
Why? Because it's a fake.
If I was a Toyota fan boy I'd hate it.
I would be like mopar taking a camaro and putting a hellcat badge on it.
It would be like Mopar taking a Mercedes Benz chassis and building a muscle car in Canada. Lol
Great review guys. Always a pleasure to watch. Correction: The 2.0 has a mechanical LSD. I own a 2022 2.0 and LOVE it!!
Mk4 A80 Supra is a YAMAHA, Aristo, Getreg, and BMW, and was a poor seller when it was released to the public . Hence Toyota canceling it off in 1998 in the USA and 2002 in Japan.
Along with the MK3 looking like a copy of the BMW 850i of the 1980s.
And the MK2 and Mk1 Supras are both Lotus(British) cars with fkn Toyota badges!
So what is the fuss with the Toyota Supra A90 MK5 being co-developed by BMW?
The A80 Supra was from another time man. Another world, another Japan - where they built more. Now theyre a service economy like ours. Makes sense to outsource sports car development LOL
I wish I didn't sell my 94 Supra. And, I don't have any interest in buying a new one.
yup, same boat alot of people are in. they had high hopes for the next Supra....yet we got a BMW TURDPRA!!!
Lite brite modded theirs out a little and managed to get 600hp out of and turned it in to a nasty little drag car it awesome
I’d say the Honda K20C1, 306 HP from 2 liters is the best current engine available, and also comes with a manual transmission
Too bad you can only get it with a fwd platform (and yes, that's coming from a CTR owner)
It's so strange. Reading the comments, there is so much criticism for the Supra. Yet people absolutely love it when they see it in person.
Ok, Im back to amend my earlier comment... I did just see a blacked out Supra GR and it did look really nice! Not sure I would ever convert from the Z but the blacked out Supra GR was a head turner!
Roman, you and I are the same age. You’re so correct that the ‘85ish Supra was something special for the day. My best friend and I were 16 when his Dad came home from to Flagstaff from Bell Road Toyota in Phoenix with a red one. At first i scoffed as he’d gotten rid of a 924 to get it (smart move). Man was I wrong. Even at 7,000’ that thing left an impression on me. His dad was a Chemistry professor at NAU and fairly liberal, including his son’s access to the keys. We had respectful fun with that car. Even though the later gen’s get more attention, that second gen (I think, boxy) was/is my fav. (Didn’t they have head issues though?)
In my opinion it’s under appreciated is because it’s not a “Toyota”.
Im on the fence. Bmw repair bills. Its a toyota for bmw prices. It does look cool"saw a couple in real life" but i cant justify owning one. Youve taken out the Toyota reliability and replaced it with known bmw problems. If this was an in house Toyota product id be sold but we would have never seen it come to fruition. The real successor to the supra "lexus lfa" took 10 years. Hell the lfa evens looks like an evolution of the supra.
Examples?? Toyota vetted these engines quite thoroughly.
@@chuckcribbs3398 it’s not that they’re unreliable really. It’s that when you do have problems you have to spend Corolla money to repair it. Like, you could buy a Corolla…
Would love to buy one but all the dealerships near me are still marking these up 15k+
Everyone .... Google the Toyota Ft1 concept then look at this Supra mk5..
How do feel now?
Tommy's grin when he hit the gas (7:05) says it all 😁
Why the hate? It's not original.
No profits for Kraut companies.
Colonel Hogan never forgets.
I can tell you why… I bought a BMW Z4 brand new in 2016, it was broken so often I ended up putting more miles on their loan cars, literally. I SWITCHED to Toyota AND Lexus for my car needs to get away from BMW, now BMW is making a car with the Toyota badge. BMW builds amazing handling cars and fantastic engines that should be ditched before they are out of warranty, that has NEVER been the expectation of Toyota buyers.
Without Toyota financing the project the Z4 and Supra would not have existed
Probably better that way.
It’s not a BMW or a Toyota. It’s a Magna.
no it's a BMW TURDPRA, please get it right!
Lotus Emiraaaa !! 😍
Too soon to speak about the reliability one way or the other.
However the car as delivered is 382hp, gets over 30mpg and out performed the M2 Competition in most track tests. Not too mention a simple reflash of the ECU yields another 80 hp and even more torque. Considering the prices of the Porsche Cayman and the markups on the C8 Corvette this sits in a class by itself.
Taking the bus is a Miata killer 🤣🤣🤣
I don't care about the Supra nostalgia at all. I love everything about my Supra for what it is, right now, today.
I work at a Toyota dealership. Yes definitely people cross shop Toyota Supra with the Ford Mustang and Camaro!
I’m not a fan of Supra in Yellow or Red but it looks amazing in Black, Phantom, Absolute Zero, Tungsten, Turbulence Grey and Refraction Blue.
How's Supra selling in your country?
Are you guys selling it alot?
@@Jason-ld5fn not very well at all 😕
When I heard a new Surpra was coming. I thought about 1000whp 2JZ walking everything on the freeway. When this came out I was like AWWWWWW the disappointment LOL
Yeah you aren’t a real fan then. Lmao.
@@MaddNomad1015. Nope
It’s ugly and it’s not a Toyota. Two things that are hard to get over
this is the problem they put the wrong transmission in and they put a crap motor in and so it can't even begin to live up to the old one, so people are mad!
Can’t live up to the old one?? You really know nothing about this car and it’s motor. It’s a 10 second car with only a tune and a downpipe. These motors are pushing 800 whp on stock blocks just like the 2J. You doubt my statements look up Mike Botti tuned Supra’s.
In a world where most new cars look alike, when one comes along that looks different, and looks fantastic, it has to be appreciated. But now, I can't decide between the Supra and the Kia Soul. (In 30 or 40 years, the Supra will be one of those classic collectables that no one can afford, so buy one or two now and put them in your barn.)
A barn should be a classic collectible because no can afford those now😂
Short answer: it’s not a Toyota, it’s a BMW. Yes it’s a nice car but it’s just a reskinned BMW. I’m surprised they went this route considering the Supra’s legacy.
hammer : money dictates all. bmw + toyota together = saves money to develop a new car.
@@lensoprezole5322 but it didn't sell ANYWHERE NEAR what the expectation was for a "5th gen supra" it's a "reskinned BMW z4" dubbed the BMW Turdpra!! So why save money if you aren't going to make any? Not sure who at Toyota dropped the ball on this, but I hope they got fired for this disaster sales....
@@donaldtrumptard2759 I am definitely perplexed. It seems they would have been better off not releasing this and waiting till they were able to develop it properly or not at all.
@@donaldtrumptard2759 still outsold the whole A80 generation in pretty much 2 years without Toyota spending too much. They technically made money off of it. Lmao
Because it looks as a opposite to "bad ass". They should stick to the concept look of FT1. Not squish it like they did, but stick to the proportions. Supra is bleh, FT1 is WOOOOWWWWW WANT ONE!!!!!
Power specs for the 3L are actually 382hp 368 torque
Coz there is no single Toyota's parts in those Zupr4...😆
Love how nearly everyone in the comments knows nothing about the B58 and it’s power potential. Capable of 800 hp on a stock block and is an upper 10 second car with only a tune and a downpipe. Keep up the comments saying “it’s only a BMW” 🤡
I agree... The n54 to b58 is the new 2jz's but Toyota got lazy on not giving a Manuel option.
@@devinbender8428 When we refer to it being new 2jz we speak about its capabilities of reaching levels of power gains on stock eternals... You cant compare a LS or a coyote to a n54 to b58 or a 2jz because we are talking about straight 6 engines.. You will never see people swapping a BMW engine because BMW engines has BMW reputations.
OMG THE ANIME AVATAR, NO WONDER HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Spot on 🙌
people are skeptical about the reliability merging with BMW
The bottom line is that if Toyota had gone alone on the Supra they would’ve had to charge $75k+ in order to make their money back.
and they would have sold more units! instead they are STRUGGLING to make any money with how low sales are
@@donaldtrumptard2759 *looks at RCF sales (being that it’s a pure Toyota product) doesn’t sell as well as the BMW Zupra.
The gravel under your shoes is like a bad ASMR video. 🤣. But fantastic video, Thanks for all your hard work and great content!!
1994:
Supra Turbo: 320 hp
Mustang GT: 215 hp
Mustang SVT Cobra: 240 hp
Ferrari F355: 375 hp
2021:
Supra 3.0: 382 hp
Mustang GT: 460 hp
Mustang GT500: 760 hp
Ferrari F8: 710 hp
The disappointment is that 4th gen Supra Turbo was a world beater. It didn't build its reputation as a nimble sports car, it built its reputation on the 2JZ power. You don't see them at auto cross events, or road course track days, you see them at the drag strip.
Of course the 5th gen is quicker than the 4th gen. Cars have gotten quicker in 25 years. But compared to its peers, it doesn't stand out.
Bro the new Supra hits the quarter mile in 12.1 seconds stock! Plus if you did a little research you would know the car really has 448hp the the crank 388 hp to the wheels, 0-60 3.9 seconds on a rear wheel drive. What else do you want.
Needs a targa top and a orange paint option. It doesn’t help that it comes with a 4 cylinder. When I first heard that when they were announced I stopped paying attention and didn’t even realize for a while it could be had with a six cylinder.
The hate is for a simple.... Basic reason.... And it holds a very big meaning to reflect on car industry.... It is ( the worst thing about new supra... The thing the poeple hate most about the new supra... The cause of all shortcomings in the new supra is... Its made by BMW)... For me that is a big thing... Can u imagine bmw being the worst thing about a car???
Buy a 5+ year old out of warranty BMW... you’ll fully understand in no time!
@@user-up1ku4qz5h its a well known reputation, that i dont need to try personally and it is a big reason to not come near any bmw, and honestly its why i skipped the supra...!
Funny enough... The subaru-toyota is just totally fine and better than expected
Its humiliating to bmw
And the upcoming Z would rub this fact in bmw's face
@@abuali4680 I doubt that the Z will do much. If toyo wanted to they could easily just yank the turbos off bmws S58 and easily match the Z in power and probably even strap on the same 6 speed manuel from the M3/M4 and call it a day. If BMW allowed toyo to get their hands on their S58 i6 then the Z wouldn't be able to touch the mk5. Now its too early to compare both since we still havent heard anything/gotten real life tests to prove its better(till August)but it's not going to kill the mk5 if it can't do many of the same feats the mk5 can.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 the idea is not about numbers on papers, and i dont think it ever was, the idea is to provide a platform, i give u this supra... everything works well and well put together... Then u take it and do your thing... Strip off parts... Add parts... Turbo... Twin turbo... Quad turbo.. Just do ur thing
Same as for the z
Just see how it happened that the mk5 has downgraded the supra status from GTR rival... To Z rival! While its supposed to be the 86 the z rival
True we cant say much until z is out, but just for the known fact that z is pure japanese, and mk5 is a bmw... Tells a lot about what we r going to see
I odnt say toyota cant do... They can do better than anyone... But it was a terrible choice to hook it with bmw, and i think this will let mk5 sit on the bench until a japanese mk6 comes... If it ever will
See how fantastic is the 86!!! That sthe formula... Pure japanese platform for ur imagination
@@abuali4680 the mk4 was rivaling the Z in its time also and was even in the same class as it also(since both the mk4 and z were both GT cars in that time)while the 34 was a sportscar in its time in a class separate from the mk4. Yes their stats we're similar but that doesn't change that they were both in separate classes from each other. All that happened was that the gtr went from a sportscar to a supercar while the Z went from a gt to a sportscar. Same thing happened to the mk5 since that same shift had happened to the Z. So from the get go toyo wasn't even planning on ever putting the mk5 against the GTR since that would be a massive lead over what they put the last 2 gens against the Z(mk3 was also going against the Z aswell). They didn't downgrade,they just switched the supras classes so that it could still go against the Z like the last gens did and also being a affordable tuner car aswell(which is becoming well more clear with tge amount of modded mk5s going around)unlike whats going down with thw gtr. Also,lets not forget that the Z is using a well over decade old chassis(that's modified) + a 5 year+ old ttV6 so i wouldn't get my hopes up at all,vs the mk5 thats newer and using a updated and has a good motor/trans combo with it aswell. Japanese or not theres no hiding that they're using decade old stuff vs a car with a new chassis and etc going along with it. Now we can't say either cars better yet since one of them isn't out yet/not knowing the stats of it either so time will tell whether or not its better or not.
Cross-shopped, and my fully loaded Mach 1 came in at 58,000!! With all the track cooling systems, the tremec manual transmission, magnaride suspension, a 480hp v8 and 4 mostly usable seats is a bargain in comparison!!!!! 😽😻💪
21 Supra is faster then a Mach 1, video is on TH-cam.
@@jpSD297 I didn’t buy it because it’s fast. That’s why I chose the manual. I bought it for driver engagement. And it is one of the most engaging drives I’ve had for a while! :-)
@Glasspack40 Yes because even though it’s slower than the 382 hp supra GR, it’s guttural and it is something you feel in the drive, if I wanted a faster version I would’ve gotten the automatic and then put a supercharger on it. If you were in the area I’d say let’s go for a drive you’ll love it! :-) That’s the same thing I would say if I had a supra, except it just wouldn’t have a manual and it would be a little bit less engaging.
Been an absolute sales disaster here in Europe unsurprisingly, it's such a half hearted effort an expensive lackluster forgery of a Supra.
And I bet you’ve never driven one. As a mk4 owner and mk5 owner, the mk5 is better in every aspect compared to the mk4.
@@bigneutron77 I'd expect a brand new bmw to feel better than an Mk4. Doesnt say much. I mean shit, you have both so I know you know how special the Mk4 is. Okay fine, they dont handle the same as a newer sports car, maybe not as fast either but it doesnt matter....obviously it doesnt matter because you still have one, because its special. You love the sound and the feeling it gives you. The driver engagement, that toyota smell in the interior.
Toyota is more than capable of creating a successor to their holy grail car but they chose to cheap out and save money by enlisting the Germans to build the car. That's fine because at the end of the day, Toyota is in the business of making money and the Supra nor any sports car they ever made is a cash cow. But, they're trying to pass this thing off as a Supra and its just....not.
@@Mistadontplay89 the mk4 is not special unless you dump money into it. The mk5 comes off the show room floor kicking ass and taking names.
@@bigneutron77 alright.
@@Mistadontplay89 but how much would it cost tho? Out of anything toyo sucks pricing any homemade car that isn't made for your every day family/soccer mom which u can clearly see with the whole F line up and the LC500 for example. Itd be pretty clear that it'd be a bad move on their end cause knowing toyo they wouldn't hold back on overpricing the car/taking forver to make it if it's something like the supra.
People here all saying that the Supra is awesome just because of a movie and never rode one before. Weird...
I tried to love it little by little it grows on me but nahh it will always be a Z4