Supra Vs Supra - 2.0L vs 3.0L - Which is Better? | Everyday Driver
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- Toyota sent us two 2021 Supras to compare, so we took the updated 6 cylinder and brand new 4 cylinder down the same mountain road to discover the changes, the benefits, and what each does best. There's a lot to discuss here.
#Supra #2.0L #3.0L #Comparison
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The fact that Toyota updates this car just one year after its release is a really good sign of future development with this chassis from Toyota.
Agree, but I'm concerned about the effect of COVID for manufacturers to continue that level of commitment to cars like these, with sales numbers already pretty low for sports cars during a GREAT economy. I hope we haven't exited the "Golden age" of modern sports cars.
First its BMW whos doing the work, second, no, it means the previous ones were not good enough
leoaleromm bmw is doing what work ?
Toyota4Life lol didn’t you know that like 90% of the car including the powertrain is all BMW?
It's bmw not Toyota, BMW updated the B58 engine M340i there are so many clueless people in here
should this new 4-cylinder have been called the "Celica" Supra? hmmmm...
No. The 2.0 is essentially the sz and the 3.0 is the rz
Celica GTS
I've always seen the modern 86 as a more literal successor to the Celica than the original Corolla-derived 86, and I had the same thought as you about the 4-cyl "Supra", since historically the Supra was the I-6 version of the 4-cyl. Celica.
So, now Toyota sells a Subaru Celica and a BMW Celica and a BMW Supra.
No matter what they're called, I'm glad Toyota has so many sports offerings in their lineup. (Just wishing for a "real" manual, but that's a different discussion.)
Joel Ness how?
no because its not fwd
Why do you guys not high five when you walk by each other on the driver swap, since you have the best job of all time?
I keep hoping for a Will Smith-DJ Jazzy Jeff dap every time they swap seats 🤞🏼
I've been thinking that lately too! Just a nice casual walking high-five.
Unless things have changed in the last few years, this is not their day job.
Thank for making this comment, now I dont have to 😂
@@machtschnell7452 This has been the day job for the last three years. Paul went first, then later in the same year Todd followed and starting this year it is my main job as well.
Very interesting review! Especially the true side-by-side comparison and discussion gave me a very good picture of the two cars. Loved this!
Hmmmm.
Wasn’t expecting to see you here.
Planning on getting a Supra?
You should quit milsim and start become a car youtuber
this dude gonna buy a supra
Hmm very unexpected Drewski!
drewski??
Toyota didn't cheap out and put a mechanical LSD on the 2 liter. I'm sold.
Everyone: Put a manual in the Supra
Toyota: How about an engine with less cylinders?
Everyone: .....
The overlap between "everyone" and "actual Supra buyers" is close to 0 :).
Jaguar offered a manual on the 3.0 F-Type after enthusiasts begged for it, and the final take rate was 4%. Hardly a business case!
@@haaalex so true lol.
The auto is simply superior
@@haaalex IDK about that. Toyota buyers are more likely to be enthusiasts. Go on the Supra forums, more people would say they would've bought the manual if it was available
@@philspaghet Well people who buy the 86 mostly buy it auto compared to people who bought the BRZ who bought it in manual so i see why they wouldnt
aka Supra 335i vs Supra 328i
Beempra
40i vs 30i
Wow you made a joke about it being a collaboration with BMW. How original.
Lmfao
@@sigmaoctantis_nz I think you mean entirely built by BMW. That's why it's trash
Excellent review guys. It's great that you guys are able to balance TV and youtube so well. Many other channels aren't able to.
I've had several mustangs and Camaros as well as a 2013 GS Vette and 2014 Z51. Test drove a Supra yesterday and really loved the car... waiting for delivery later next week. Something visceral about how it drove and I love it.
Great review guys!
when there's a straight, it will be pretty easy for the 3.0 to apply social distancing...
Lol
....haha......
Great review and I really like having you both in the same car and having a natural conversation. I hate the driver swap edits.
First time on this channel and i must say I’m loving the review. I love how technical you guys get and the back and forth discussion makes it feel more honest than other reviews. This is the kind of content we need, and the standard all car reviews should strive for.
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Great side by side comparison, guys! I love how you calmly and rationally discuss some of the finer points which matter to real world buyers and drivers. Thanks for the great work as usual!
Glad you enjoyed and pleased to hear it was helpful to you. Thanks for watching!
Great review again guys! I think what you’re feeling is a change in rotational inertia, which is different than weight balance. The 100+ lbs taken off the front came all off from in front of the axle. It’s reducing the weight far from the center of gravity which changes the resistance to rotation. Mid engine and front mid cars turn quickly because most of the weight is between the axles instead of hanging out past them like a pendulum.
You are exactly right, and that's why we spent so much time on the front-mid-engine discussion. Thanks for watching and hope to see you soon!
I subbed finally after watching for a while. You guys just give me the right vibe for a beer and hours of car talk.
When I heard about the 2.0, I immediately thought that it was the one to get. Thank you guys for the excellent content.
2.0 Supra VS. 2.3Ecoboost Mustang would love to see that.
5:55 SHIFT, MAN! SHIFT! .....
6:17 Ugh, finally!! Lol
It should be the sport mode or something is wrong with the trans
They prob kept it in manual shift mode and held the gear
same thing at 9:00 ugh. so irritating
Horrible! Was driving me crazy.
Had to stop watching, the droning was intolerable
What an amazing presentation. Well edited. I enjoyed the format of this being a conversation rather than a bullet point comparison. First time I really felt like I got an insight into how the experiences of two versions of a given car really differed. Nicely done.
Glad you enjoyed. Thank you for watching!
Great video! Glad you had the opportunity to make it and share it with us. I drive a C7 Grand Sport and have zero buffeting issues. 👍🏼 I’d like to get behind the wheel of these babies to see if they’re better than my Vette I’ve featured on my channel from a driving perspective (and mine is a manual).
Just bought a '22 2.0 Supra. Everything you said about the car is true: It is a phenomenal handler and PLENTY quick on the street. The wind buffeting issue is solved with a $9 part you can get online. Actual people in real life love it and ask a ton of questions (mostly "what is that?")! It has an amazing ability to bring some joy back into a world full of soulless and boring vehicles. Drivers: buy one now before you are relegated to an electric transportation pod.
Another awesome review Everyday Driver!!
Why dont you mention the 9$ part and a pink
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Lots of install videos too. Easy!
It's been 2 years since your comment how's the car holding up?
I have 33k miles and ZERO problems. The car is rock solid. Having owned 2 previous BMWs I was well there could be issues but the B48 is a reliable engine and the ZF transmission is also solid. Even the Michelin PSS tires are original but need to be replaced very soon. We put a JB+ tune on it is well worrh the fairly inexpensive price. Definitely can feel a difference.
This is one of your better reviews. I've been subbed since your first review of your 300ZX more than a decade ago. This one is up there with your Gran Turismo styled review of the GT-R
Pleased to hear you enjoyed it that much. Thanks for watching and being with us for so long!
Really like the way the wheels look when spinning! Nice video guys!
You guys are always so wonderfully thoughtful and descriptive in your reviews.
Glad you enjoyed this. Thanks for watching!
I would take the 4 cylinder for the track. Those were the Ones that won Races!
I have always loved the chemistry between you guys. Glad to see this review!
Great job as always. Thanks for all the good content. Blessings
very good detailed review about how the car FEEL in real world. subbed
Great video! The 2020 3.0 seems to have gotten the version of the B58 out of the base X5 40i and 540i. While during the second year they got the B58 variant out of the M240i, M340i, M440i, X3/4 M40i and Z4 M40i. The 382hp B58 dynoed at 400hp while the new Nissan Z with an advertised 400hp dynoed at around 375hp on the same exact dyno on the same day.
I don't think it is the same out of those cars... they added a lot to it if I am not mistaken. They added different manifolds / pistons/ compressions etc.
Every time I see it it hits me again just how gorgeous the new Supra is. It evokes a lot of nostalgia for the Viper GTS which was the biggest poster car of my youth. Some people don't care for the proportions, but I love the Daytona Cobra Coupe, I love the Viper GTS, and I love the Supra. Now if you could just get that 2.0L with a 6 speed we'd be all set.
Awesome informative vid. I'm a prospect supra owner (will buy it in about 3 yrs) and this type of vids are a drug for me. I watch every minute, and a lot of times I rewind 10 secs to make sure that I didn't miss a thing. I devour these type of vids. And the two guys are great and they seem to know a lot of the things i wanna hear, but pls don't talk both at the same time
Did you buy it 👀
Great vid, guys! Almost forgot about your Channel! I still recall one of your earlier vids with the 3 different Z cars!
My 2.0 Supra doesn’t drive like a sad 2nd best version at all. It continues to surprise me all the time. It drives with a LOT of confidence and attitude. Like the little brother that’s always trying to prove himself.
hearing Paul explain at 14:27 the suspension differences, I'm hearing "Max, you'd prefer the 2 liter".
This duo has been making the rounds with western US based car reviewers. This is by far the best and most insightful review! Thanks guys
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Also, I would like to see a match up between the 2.0 Supra vs. the 2.0 Camaro.
I don't think it would be much of a competition. The Supra will be better in all categories, but a 2.0 Camaro can had for mid to upper 20k. The 2.0 Supra will probably be $10-15k more. That's massive difference. That's Camaro SS money.
Think thats a good idea and throw in the 4cyl mustang also
I would like to see a match up between the 2.0 Supra and 2020 Corolla LE sedan. I bet the Corolla handles better and is more fun to drive.
We don’t talk about the 2.0 Camaro quiet now
I don't get the point of having a Camaro with half an engine but at least it can be had with a manual
i have a feeling once the after market catches up to the 2.0 liter version its gonna be really fast
True but the B58 (3.0 supra) has CRAZY aftermarket potential. A simple downpipe and tune literally adds like 150 horsepower. I hope it’s the same case for the B48 (2.0)
Love that frame rate syncing with the wheels rotation at 7:50
I am enjoying this show. Simplicity works.
I feel like because of the $10,000 difference between the 2.0 and 3.0 combined with the fact that you guys said that unless you drive them back-to-back you won't notice the subtle differences really, the 2.0 really does make the most sense for most people. Interesting that Toyota said that the 2.0 is supposed to be the Grand Tourer lol
Maybe, but you don't buy an expensive new sportscar because it makes sense; you buy it for fun. Personally, I can't imagine spending $42K on the "cheap" one with the little four-cylinder. I'd have to spring for the six.
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BTW, when they mention the slight, incidental advantages of the smaller engine, it just sounds like the stuff someone would say if they could only afford the base model and they're trying to convince themselves it's better.
I hear what you're saying, but sign me up for the six.
@@TonyCrispruby You would probably always wonder what if I had the six. For $8000 ish more to get the brilliant inline six to me is a no brainer. I made the "mistakes" by going with 4 cylinder BMWs in a few years back and constantly tell myself to not "save" when I'm already spending that much money. To jump from a turbo charged 4 cylinders to a NA 6 cylinder in my Cayman GTS 4.0, I paid quite a bit of premium, and for its better resale and more dramatic driving experience, I have not regret spending the extra for the bigger NA engine.
with a 10k differences, might as well just get the 3.0
@@TonyCrispruby No idea where you heard it. I was not remotely close. the 4 cylinder was also BMW sources. Toyota basically shelled out the money and BMW developed the Z4/Supra with Toyota engineers watching over the shoulders of BMW engineers. Pretty sure Toyota loses money for every Supra sold in today's market, like every other sports-ish car.
Incredible backdrop, amazing scenery!
Clutch video guys, you helped answer some burning questions.
I reviewed the 2 litre, 4 cylinder on my channel and was left wanting to experience the 6 cylinder with more power. This was a great video. Very insightful guys 👊
Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for watching!
The 4 cylinder needs a manual transmission!
Why on Earth would they only offer it on the base model? So they can have an excuse to discontinue it?
Real drivers who want a fun car won't want the base model. Poseurs who don't care about performance or driving fun won't want a manual in their base model sports car. It's the perfect plan for getting away with boning your fanbase.
Junior e39 ///M5 trueee (mk4 have manual)
Sounds like a mother that loves both of her kids equally, even though one of them is not quiet up to par with the other.
As an American muscle/sports car guy who currently drives a built C6 Z06, who many years ago was a big Toyota fan with 2 Celica GT's and an 88 Supra (loved them all, particularly the Supra), I have to say, I love these new Supra's, and really want to buy one. But here's the problem...I can get a low-mileage mint C7 Z06 for the same price. This never-ending dilemma is basically why I converted and why I haven't been able to get back to the imports that have a place in my heart. With all that said, you guys produce awesome video's. Keep up the good work!
I call this the Corvette conundrum. Almost whatever you're shopping for there's a Corvette that's faster and cheaper.
Corvettes have always provided great bang for the buck, but unfortunately, they have historically been below average in reliability. I've had a C3 and C5 for a total of 34 years. Thus far (6/2023) the 2020+ Supras have had almost no issues, while the C8 Corvettes have had dozens of problems. So you may not be saving money by buying a Corvette. And by the way, the Supra 3.0 is just as fast as a regular C7.
i remember as a kid when my family had a 2002 ford mustang and they tried rolling down the windows and the buffeting in that was so extreme that the only time they rolled the windows down was when they were cruising real slow through town in the evenings
I've driveen both and i have almost the same opinion, 2.0 is lighter it turns faster, its easy to drive but i rather have the 3.0, even if it doesnt turn as fast, because you feel the more weight on front, but the engine 3 .0 is in my opinion way better.
And about wind buffering you're right, its even worst than my old Supra A80 with the targa off.
Nice quality of your video and the place where was filmed is beautiful
Greetings from Portugal
"This four cylinder takes just a second to gather itself." in two years time this will change to, "This four cylinder takes just a few years to destroy its plastic timing chain guides." Toyota needs to use their influence in this relationship to improve BMWs parts quality. THAT would be the big win for us all.
I wonder if the rumors I heard about Toyota pushing reliability improvements for this car are the reason why the 2.0 came late. Did Toyota attack the frequent maintenance list for this second engine? I am too busy working and being a pleb to look into this myself.
Any word on this?
What are you referring to exactly? Need to know!
@@doriangray2347 The current BMW 4 cylinder turbo engines are know to wear out their plastic timing chain guides in mileages less than 100k. That is not acceptable with today's understanding of material science.
Fantastic review! I'd especially like to commend the part where you guys state that the 2.0 would bring just enough power & torque for most folks despite knowing that most of your audience are probably the "no replacement for displacement" kinda people.
Kudos!!!
it would be enough if the car looked avg. but the fact that it is so sexy and sporty, it's better to have the 3.0. Trust me. I owned the 2.0 and 3.0. It's mainly the response you get from other drivers. It would be perfect if everyone assumed it was just a regular car. with low hp/torque. They are expecting otherwise and because of that they are crazy on the road when around you. People pull out in front of you. They try to race you. They display jealous road rage, etc. You need the 3.0. The extra breaking power and acceleration saves you from crazy psychotic people on the road. If you are in a rural area and only stay and travel to rural areas, a 2.0 can do.
@@supertenor561so u are buying a car to suit others on the road and not u? 🤔
Buy the better car because the 4cyl is boring.
This car is simply wonderful I just received mine from Austria it took me 3 months to get this car to Seattle Washington but it was worth every minute of waiting it's incredible the way you accelerate and brake and you don't even feel it it's very delicate when it comes to accelerate and brake.
I have the 2021 Supra GR and they did a wonderful job with the exterior design
Wakanda Forever exactly !!!! I still do not quite understand what role Toyota plays here. It should have a BMW badge!? 😊
I suspect it won’t take the aftermarket very long to come up with a great adaptive damper setup for the 4 cylinder car.
I don’t think so, adaptive dampers aren’t an easy or inexpensive change and the 2.0 buyer is already paying near $45k so spending anymore money, is money that would be better spent on the much faster and better equipped 3.0.....or one of the extremely low mile 2020 used examples on the market that can be had from mid $40’s
I need that 4 cylinder in a manual. As fearful as i am of bmw reliability.... you’ll at least get me into the showroom if you offer me a manual.
Recent BMW 4 cylinders have been very reliable
Though as bad as the reputation is, these B series engine are said to built quite strong and I would expect them to be quite reliable
I too enjoy outdated technology
Worldwide Darts some people make their vehicle decisions based on the experience and not the tech. Just comes down to personal preference.
Well, then search for 428i manual.
This is what I call a lo-fi car review, Amazing job guys subscribed!
Glad to have you with us, thank you!
I love this channel because I also live in a high elevation area, and this is more reflective of my shared experience :)
7:41 you can see todd's minor steering corrections in the slight differences in rotational speeds of the wheels (emphasized by the shutter)
Beautiful video as always! I can't stop but to think that the 86 twins were never "allowed" to be faster than the base Supra.. going to be interesting what they do with the new 86 platform.
That’s why I love the TI Sport. You can have and also get plenty of power from a 2.0. My favorite numbers for a 2 liter are 350 hp with 350 torque. Which can be done. Thank You 🙏 for all your great input on all your shows. You are my favorite car show period!!!!
A big compliment. Thank you!
Great video! Yellow is the only free colour in the UK, we don’t get the 4cyl or the increased power 2021 or A91 edition, that looks gorgeous 🤤
You can fix the buffeting with a really simple part that goes on the side view mirror mount. Bros FOURR Speed has a video on it.
Got a link to share?
Why do you have to pay more to fix basic issues on such an expensive car?
@@KaitouKaiju satan
In my humble opinion, this partnership with BMW will result in a monster powered Supra, let's hope for the best
How about your non humble opinion?
They need to give it a manual gearbox before they start changing anything else. 3 pedals or go home.
@@Mrmudbone_gaming LMFAO!!! Hahahah
Solid review as usual guys! What do you think of this 4 cylinder in a GT86 chassis ?
How did the wind buffeting issue feel for you when you rode with the windows open? OH... You got it at the end... cool.
As far as the engine, it sounds like that V6 has tall gears and reaches crazy high revs before it shifts.
After seeing this I think the 4cyl is the one I would prefer. Good review.
I just had a look at the BMW Z4 - it's possible to spec the 2.0L with adaptive suspension and a manual gearbox. No roof though!
It would be good to go test one of those...
Wait there’s a manual option on the Z4?
Why doesn’t Toyota offer them? This car will actually sell more with a manual
In germany you get the premium package with the bigger brakes, elektrical seats, adaptive suspension 😎. Perfekt car 👍
Do a comparison - Supra 3.0 2021 vs Corvette C8 vs Caymen GTS
how does the Supra compare to the 86 in the space and getting in/out departments? I'm leaning toward a BRZ with an Edelbrock supercharger. What are your thoughts?
Btw, doesn't the new Morgan PlusFour, which will be offered in the US starting 2021, use this same BMW 4cyl engine and is offered with a manual trans. as well as the ZF 8sp auto?
I've never understood why people slam doors on Japanese cars. They're not heavy like American car doors.
A very trivial thing to announce
This car is german lool
Right when I read this comment, I heard the thud.
I'd go with the 2.0 just based on less part complexity.
Tod you said in the vid that the 2.0L is the car for most people, was that directed at most of the general population, and enthusiasts should go for the 3.0L? loved the video, great job guys!
"Nitro Yellow"...is a safety feature...I tell my significant other who despises paying anything extra for paint colors... Your comparison between the 3.0.L and the smaller 4 cylinder....is exactly the same conclusion I came to in choosing the 230i BMW over the M240i BMW....the former felt me nimble to me, had plenty of power for my needs and saved both purchase and insurance dollars.
3400 lbs is not bad in general, but for such a small car it does seem kind of high.
If it was 3,000 lbs I'd have to get one
smaller than the AE86, but weighs 600lbs more...two more cylinder and a turbo don't weigh 600lbs
If only you could get the 6 cylinder, in a manual with all of the weight reductions and simplifications of the 4 cylinder's chassis.
Great review. Very informative. One question: Would you say each motor has equal reliability? Thanks.
Ew maybe not
I’m getting a 2021 when my dealership I work at gets them (I’m guessing around August/September but I’ll order one if we don’t get one I want) but I’ll be sad if I have to trade it in next year for a manual one lol, but I’m planning on keeping it long term.
Same same....but different....but STILL SAME!!!
We have.... different engines. We have different.... differentials! But inside, we are same-same!
I like that flighty Jonathan!
still can get 100% more car with a C8 for the same price
Best one is used 2019 for cheaper than 2.0
How do these two cars compare to your lotus? I want one of these supras and I currently have 2008 lotus SC
All the things (or almost all the things) you complained about in the 2L is fixed, you can now get it with adaptive suspension, the sports differential and the yellow color is now the base color. Atleast in Norway it is... Its trim level is called "GR Supra Sport".
The 4 banger ended up being $43k! Jeez hard sale when the 2020s are in the high to mid $40s...
Supra must have inline 6.
I had a Supra for 23 years 300k miles and it still had its original engine, transmission, shocks and suspension when I sold it. It’s absolutely the best GT Car regardless of price.
Driving on 300k mike suspension isn’t cool at all
300k miles on original suspension?
GR Supra is not owned by it’s past. Today, it’s a great car that has two very capable engine choices. Even if they put a Porsche 4-cyl turbo in the Supra someone would still complain.
I have a 2020 & wonder if you noticed the suspension & chassis changes on 2021?
Can I ask what roads you drove on to do this video? I live in the SLC valley and am looking for new places to go for a drive on a Saturday afternoon.
This so needs a manual gearbox!!! I have to admit I think they have done a great job even with the BMW engine which was a no no but overall it is a stunning car.
As an Ecoboost Mustang owner, I can tell you that the superior model is definitely not the turbo 4. If you have a smaller budget or something like me, then sure, get a turbo 4 Supra, but one of the main reasons you buy a two seat car is because of the sound it makes.
the supra is a lot lighter than a mustang. in a mustang you need the big engine, because if you remove the cheap power it doesn't have much else to offer. the the supra blends power with handling, so taking away 50 lb-ft torque for 10k doesn't detract too much from the car
@@traviswebster8302 That’s definitely the opinion of someone who has never driven an Ecoboost Mustang
Just wondering if or how many suspension parts are shared between this, and the BWM models. If so, the 4cyl with a softer spring and damper, swapped from the comfort oriented BMW model, might make the best all around long distance GT.
@EverydayDriver I am thinking now if i still buy supra 2.0 or Mercedes C300 Coupe. They almost have same horsepower and price tag but the latter is better on everyday road driving since it is a coupe?
M140i owners have known about the power of this 3.0 straight 6 for a long time. Especially after a remap :-p
if they make a manual i WILL FIND A WAY to get one!!
Just test drove a 3.0 GR Supra yesterday here in Utah (like the channel), and I must say the B58 engine is mind-blowingly quick and simply intoxicating. It just pulls and pulls and pulls so effortlessly and so dramatically that you won't care about anything else. I'm sure the 2.0 version is lighter and a bit more nimble in the tight corners, but if you have wide open roads like most Western states, do yourself a favor and by the turbo 3-liter inline six. I'm sure the 4-cylinder would be great if you couldn't exploit the top end power of the 3.0.
You guys are awesome auto journalists!. By the way I'm a Supra fan!.
Wondering how the 2.0 compares to the all new GR86 coming next year... hmm.
I’m also very curious! If the 2.0 Supra is 255 horsepower and the 86 is 205, I’m assuming they would keep it around that number and that the rumored turbocharged model that is “coming” is actually false. It wouldn’t make sense for them to do that if the Supra is 255hp
the newer 3.0L has dyno'd much higher than advertised as well.
Thanks for a review that avoids the hyperbole.
I work at a Toyota and my manager recently went to Vegas with Toyota for the unveil of the Tundra etc. And they did confirm a manual supra. What engine choice? what power etc no clue. But they did confirm it.
I can't wait for my A91 to arrive
Did you get it?
Nothing wrong with 2.0 4 cylinders, look at Subaru STI EJ20 4 cylinders.
Loved this vid guys !!!
I always love your side by side comparisons, but so good to see a manufacturer letting you do this back to back comparison !!!
But now I see why I’ve never seen one of these on the roads , they’re so damned ugly. I feel like the Emperor’s New Clothes and let’s be honest, we buy cars at that price because we love the look as in the real world cars perform much of a muchness.
. I’d so looked forward to the New Supra as I loved the 90’s one
Nice review. In addition to a manual, I hope Toyota considers building a targa top or convertible like it’s BMW sibling Z4