Fairly common. The oil pump and water pump gears on the Vstrom/SV650 are plastic and my Vstrom has over 125,000 miles without any issue. This is not a new thing either. The timing gears on the old Ford straight 6 were plastic to reduce noise.
you'd be amazed how many big power engines use plastic gears and give you service intervals when they should be changed , just another consumable part to keep the $$$$ rolling in . and it makes less noise than metal against metal
First, love the channel, have been watching it since you were popping wheelies in your parents' yard. Two, you have the knowledge and patience, to work on the problem. Third, never a total loss, stripe it down, using the frame as a foundation - build it better, stronger, faster
I really admire you Joe, not afraid to jump in and split cases on an engine you've never worked on before, most guys would say f#@k this and bring it to a shop. Good on you brotha 👍🏻
@2vintage, I'm gonna be honest I didn't think you would ever get that clutch to come off, tenacity wins again way to go. It's amazing what one can accomplish when using a quality tool👨🏾🔧 Chris.
My Dad taught me, do it right the first time and you’ll save yourself a lot of extra work. Doesn’t always work that way but I try ! You are a perfectionist and your results prove that.
Reminds me of the nylon gears GM used in some their 70's V8 engines. Being cheap trashed many of them at 60K miles. I still think the previous owner's neglect was the main contributor to the demise of this engine. Great job getting it back to functioning Joe!
I am really proud of you brother you’ve come a long way. I remember your first videos getting so much criticism and crap. Now you’re someone everybody should look up to.
If I ever need a ATV engine rebuilt I will contact you lol, great job on all your projects Sir, very impressed! Looking forward to see this one breath fire.
Having a plastic gear to drive the oil and water pump saving the company a few bucks per engine just about guarantees the customer will hate Odes for life, never buy an Odes product again and tell everyone they meet to avoid like the plague, great work Odes engineers and accountants you did it!
I was always taught never being a hurry never take your time Make sure everything is correct and perfect then you don't have to do it a second time I'm happy to wait for the next video it's really interesting watching you take that apart and put it back together that is actually a marvel of engineering the way they interacted everything to make it work thank you for the video you got you have a great day and I hope everything is going good for you
"That thing is ON there." Joe I'm thinking that's the understatement of THE YEAR!! Holy SMOKES that things is on there, it's almost like there's a PIN holding that thing on.. I'm only 6:36 in but my gosh this is.. I've seen some tough clutches to get off.. but that BOLT was about to shear off.. HOLY SMOKES!!! Wow man
I'm probably wrong but I feel like your second piston was installed backwards. both intakes will sit in the center therefore the exhaust side would be facing away from the transmission on cylinder 2 so the arrow should be facing away from the center also if its supposed to face the exhaust.
Next time you have a stubborn primary clutch fill the hole the puller goes into with grease. The grease causes hydraulic pressure and the clutches will pop right off with an impact.
QUALITY WORK/and check that ring gap-PROFESSIONAL /you are building a NEW ENGINE /was the new cylinder cross honed /did you take a course on mechanics any where/i just read ALL kinds of books/learn by doing too/a big nice too you/thanks much
You should oil the cylinder before putting the piston in. Don’t put an aluminum gear in unless you do the rest of them too. Aluminum gears will chew apart the plastic gears.
I like your idea of finding a metal gear. I see a lot of manufacturers going the “plastic” route for cost savings. They just need it to make the warranty period. After that, all bets are off. Plus now they get sell the parts or dealer gets the job. Shame how companies have cheapened engineering.
The Clutch Thingy that Kicked Booty Dang man Ok A Bit of Grease on the Tip of the Puller where it hits the Crank and Some Lube On the Threads of the Puller and when you get it ran down and Whacked with the Hammer Throw Some Heat on it and TING Wah Lah
Never use a aluminum socket for impact very dangerous it can split in to sharpnels always use the black sockets rated for high torque also always ware safety glasses!!
Hey Joe. I dropped a comment on you FB post in the odes owners group but I just had time to finish watching this video. I have rebuilt a few of these motors & they definitely are cheap & a little different. But stay away from that aluminum gear like another comment said & I believe you put the piston in backwards on cylinder #1. The exhaust is on the front side of the motor on cylinder #1 & the back side/ transmission side of cylinder #2 which you installed correctly. Nest of luck with the wonder odes build. I have a few videos on my channel Limitless powersports service & repair of a few newer odes I have had in my shop. But of luck my friend.
Amazing deep dive ! Thanks for sharing ! Well, while learning a lot, not ready to go through it ! I was telling myself with the extractor "it's gonna strip, it's gonna strip" but it did hold ! Crazy ! Amazing video anyhow, it shows that it's not always quick and easy !
Pulled a bunch of primary clutches off snowmobiles, apply heat (but not too much) to the middle of the clutch where the belt runs. Use torches (oxygen and acetylene). Would've made that job alot easier. There not hard to use, just takes a little practice.
Another awesome video I can't wait to see it all back together and running I'm working on a project of my own it's making me excited to get mine done and running 😊
Definitely not disappointed you didn't finish it this video..I wish I had your knowledge on builds like this..I'm really good with 2 strokes..Good video Joe..
honeslty joe u might not read this but i just want to say thankyou i love bikes there my whole life and have recently just got into college to become and motorcycle mechanic and can i just say your videos and deep description about every party h check and fix is amazing there ain’t no one else on youtube that does it like u do ur such a inspiration to me and i’ve learnt a lot from your videos i’m a big step ahead in college all because of you and your deep descriptive amazing videos so from the bottom of my heart thankyou so much man your the best of the best and i mean it i can’t thankyou enough the pure depth of your videos and the specs and parts and how h describe them is exaclty what i want to learn and the way u do it and fix things is how i wanna do it so thankyou joe your my hero seriously it would be a dream of mine to meet you and work on a dirtbike some day ❤️
If you look back on your first video, when you removed the cylinder jug, you remarked that it was dry of oil around the crank. That was the sign of no oil or low oil pressure. Who would have thought that they would put a plastic gear to run the oil and water pump. Cheap i guess . Being in the trade, i was as curious as you to get to the problem. Great vid, thks.
Next time try water or oil. Fill it, Teflon tape the bolt real good, then impact it. I use this method to pop generator rotors off the crankshafts. Works pretty well.
Great video! Somtimes I find it easier to insert the piston to the cylinder before connecting it with the crank rod, it really depends on the length of the rod. However you made it look easy.
Never seen a clutch that stuck. But the whole time I’m watch you wrestle with that thing I’m thinking would have heated the snot out of that inner sheave before using that much pressure. But you finally got it!
Same exact thing happened to my OG 2016 Can-Am maverick. The teeth on that gear broke off and I lost oil pressure. I got lucky on mine, I didn’t have to pull the engine out just the clutch and side cover to replace the oil pump and gear. Mine shut off when I lost oil pressure. This off brand machine you bought didn’t shut off. Those bearings look like they were in there a long time without oil lol
got a nod of appreciation from me for taking this thing on , my engine knowledge is pretty limited but i know a nightmare when i see one and that is a bad day. but im guessing a niche market as not many would attempt this unless you're getting $$$ an hour
Very nice work! Yeah, its good that you take your time and dont miss anything. Love to see your videos. 🎉 You are a good mechanic and a good youtuber. ⭐️🏆🎖
I fixed a CBR1000rr that had a bearing that spun like that, and I had to put a new oil pump in it because the old one was all scored up from all the metal debris going through it.
Next time heat that clutch up with a tourch if your doing a bottom end anyways just put hella heat to it an it would pop rite off . It may melt crank seals but your doing the bottom end anyways
Your skills are picking up, but do me a favor and throw that carpenters hammer into the attic. Buy yourself a new 14oz mechanics ballpeen, and a brass/plastic hammer for tapping things like rod caps, steel not so good for them. Keep with the process. 🙂
Hey Joe I’ve been a mechanic for almost 40 years and this bye far is probably the worst power train design I’ve ever seen. Great videos I’m hooked on your channel
I’m thinking you need two rods and a crankshaft. I doubt that you can find someone to turn the crank, but then you need over sized bearings that they probably don’t make.
Nicely done 👏👏💪. The crank failure is a big reason why the clutch was almost welded from the 🔥🔥🌡. 89% would've gave up including me & parted it out 😔 lol. Truly a nice job & wonder if they make a metal gear upgrade to correct a major flawed design 🤔. Thanks for sharing the awesome progress. I have faith in your skill set 🙆👍. Salute 🎬😎✌️
And I don't know if it's worth it, but that crank can be saved. A machine shop can take that journal down 5-7 thousandths, polish it down another 3 thousandths, then use 10 thousandths oversized bearings. Or it can be filled and machined/polished down to factory spec.
Good videos on rebuild bike . U videos motivate me to look for my first motorcycle when I was 10 and I didn't a restoration on the bike the was a 1983 Honda atc 185s I will love to send you same picture motorcycle
the reason why those clutches get so extremely stuck, is most often due to not cleaning the shaft/clutch prior to assembly, incorrect torque on the bolt, a temperature difference between the crank and the clutch, for example having the engine out in the cold, and bringing your clutch out from a warm house. And, of course, a combination of those things. Using a little bit of heat, however, can do wonders in such cases.
I located the missing water pump gear pin. Of you go back to the video when you used the magnet to locate the pin. Tje pin is sitting in the small rectangle at the bottom right section of the gear box. You can see the tip of the pin. Like a fool I yelled out :the pin is right there". Good luck, like the content
Hi Joe, love watching your sessions - great info!! bummer you paid $3000 for the POS UTV. How come you don’t use your starter battery to attempt to start it before making an offer, so you can bust the liars? If someone with your incredible knowledge gets misled by scuppers, there’s not much hope for the rest of us! A general question: you must have a lot of money tied up in all the machines in your garage? Assume you sell some of them after you fix them, hopefully for more than you spent? Have you ever worked on a Harley vrod?
The book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" comes to mind. Where he is sitting on the side of the road with a broken clutch, and a stripped screw he can't get off. He realizes that five cent screw, is worth the value of the entire motorcycle. 😆
It's hard to believe such a critical part was made out of plastic. Great work Joe.
Yeah I couldn't believe it
Fairly common. The oil pump and water pump gears on the Vstrom/SV650 are plastic and my Vstrom has over 125,000 miles without any issue. This is not a new thing either. The timing gears on the old Ford straight 6 were plastic to reduce noise.
I have a Kawasaki engine on my lawn mower that has a plastic cam gear. That works out about as well you would think too.
you'd be amazed how many big power engines use plastic gears and give you service intervals when they should be changed , just another consumable part to keep the $$$$ rolling in . and it makes less noise than metal against metal
Small Block Chevies had/have plastic timing gears from 60's up... The tales were that it made the engine quieter....
First, love the channel, have been watching it since you were popping wheelies in your parents' yard. Two, you have the knowledge and patience, to work on the problem. Third, never a total loss, stripe it down, using the frame as a foundation - build it better, stronger, faster
I really admire you Joe, not afraid to jump in and split cases on an engine you've never worked on before, most guys would say f#@k this and bring it to a shop. Good on you brotha 👍🏻
Good going. You should always put some grease on the puller threads, plus some heat on the clutch would help it pop off.
I was going to say heat it up too. But then it came off i was like...WHEW! He got it LOL
you need too use a bigger hammer would help to
Joe you need to add a Ductor induction heater to your tool set.
@2vintage, I'm gonna be honest I didn't think you would ever get that clutch to come off, tenacity wins again way to go. It's amazing what one can accomplish when using a quality tool👨🏾🔧
Chris.
One word for the clutch pull debacle - HEAT!!!
Nothing goes with scrambled eggs and coffee like a good engine teardown. Seeing joe frustrated is like extra syrup on the pancakes
Lol!
Glad you didn't give up on this machine.
My Dad taught me, do it right the first time and you’ll save yourself a lot of extra work. Doesn’t always work that way but I try ! You are a perfectionist and your results prove that.
Reminds me of the nylon gears GM used in some their 70's V8 engines. Being cheap trashed many of them at 60K miles.
I still think the previous owner's neglect was the main contributor to the demise of this engine. Great job getting it back to functioning Joe!
the two different gasket thing is for different year engines, some take thicker/thinner gaskets for squish clearance or something along the lines.
I am really proud of you brother you’ve come a long way. I remember your first videos getting so much criticism and crap. Now you’re someone everybody should look up to.
If I ever need a ATV engine rebuilt I will contact you lol, great job on all your projects Sir, very impressed! Looking forward to see this one breath fire.
Having a plastic gear to drive the oil and water pump saving the company a few bucks per engine just about guarantees the customer will hate Odes for life, never buy an Odes product again and tell everyone they meet to avoid like the plague, great work Odes engineers and accountants you did it!
I like your thinking with the rebuild. Cudos on clutch removal, I was getting worried, that it was not going to come.
Dude...did you use assembly lube or at least some 30 wt on the mains and rods?
I was always taught never being a hurry never take your time Make sure everything is correct and perfect then you don't have to do it a second time I'm happy to wait for the next video it's really interesting watching you take that apart and put it back together that is actually a marvel of engineering the way they interacted everything to make it work thank you for the video you got you have a great day and I hope everything is going good for you
"That thing is ON there." Joe I'm thinking that's the understatement of THE YEAR!! Holy SMOKES that things is on there, it's almost like there's a PIN holding that thing on.. I'm only 6:36 in but my gosh this is.. I've seen some tough clutches to get off.. but that BOLT was about to shear off.. HOLY SMOKES!!! Wow man
I'm probably wrong but I feel like your second piston was installed backwards. both intakes will sit in the center therefore the exhaust side would be facing away from the transmission on cylinder 2 so the arrow should be facing away from the center also if its supposed to face the exhaust.
I caught same thing.. Hope someone else did as well... Also use lot of assembly lube.. Its your friend.. Dont be afraid to use to much...
Next time you have a stubborn primary clutch fill the hole the puller goes into with grease. The grease causes hydraulic pressure and the clutches will pop right off with an impact.
We use water and Teflon tape on our sleds, same idea less mess just need to make sure to get the water out when finished.
QUALITY WORK/and check that ring gap-PROFESSIONAL /you are building a NEW ENGINE /was the new cylinder cross honed /did you take a course on mechanics any where/i just read ALL kinds of books/learn by doing too/a big nice too you/thanks much
You should oil the cylinder before putting the piston in. Don’t put an aluminum gear in unless you do the rest of them too. Aluminum gears will chew apart the plastic gears.
I like your idea of finding a metal gear. I see a lot of manufacturers going the “plastic” route for cost savings. They just need it to make the warranty period. After that, all bets are off. Plus now they get sell the parts or dealer gets the job. Shame how companies have cheapened engineering.
I've never seen a clutch take that much to get off. At one point I figured something was going to snap. You have more patience than I do! Nice job!
One thing i would've done differently was oit assembly lube on the rod bearings cause now they will dry start
33:25 that looked like you put the casings together with dry crank to shells- that doesn’t usually end well.
Excited to see this one brought back from the dead! Keep at it!
The Clutch Thingy that Kicked Booty Dang man Ok A Bit of Grease on the Tip of the Puller where it hits the Crank and Some Lube On the Threads of the Puller and when you get it ran down and Whacked with the Hammer Throw Some Heat on it and TING Wah Lah
Never use a aluminum socket for impact very dangerous it can split in to sharpnels always use the black sockets rated for high torque also always ware safety glasses!!
Hey Joe. I dropped a comment on you FB post in the odes owners group but I just had time to finish watching this video. I have rebuilt a few of these motors & they definitely are cheap & a little different. But stay away from that aluminum gear like another comment said & I believe you put the piston in backwards on cylinder #1. The exhaust is on the front side of the motor on cylinder #1 & the back side/ transmission side of cylinder #2 which you installed correctly. Nest of luck with the wonder odes build. I have a few videos on my channel Limitless powersports service & repair of a few newer odes I have had in my shop. But of luck my friend.
Amazing deep dive ! Thanks for sharing ! Well, while learning a lot, not ready to go through it ! I was telling myself with the extractor "it's gonna strip, it's gonna strip" but it did hold ! Crazy ! Amazing video anyhow, it shows that it's not always quick and easy !
My gosh Joe you are pumping these fabulous videos out !
Pulled a bunch of primary clutches off snowmobiles, apply heat (but not too much) to the middle of the clutch where the belt runs. Use torches (oxygen and acetylene). Would've made that job alot easier. There not hard to use, just takes a little practice.
Keep grinding bro this isbthe right way
Another awesome video I can't wait to see it all back together and running I'm working on a project of my own it's making me excited to get mine done and running 😊
Definitely not disappointed you didn't finish it this video..I wish I had your knowledge on builds like this..I'm really good with 2 strokes..Good video Joe..
honeslty joe u might not read this but i just want to say thankyou i love bikes there my whole life and have recently just got into college to become and motorcycle mechanic and can i just say your videos and deep description about every party h check and fix is amazing there ain’t no one else on youtube that does it like u do ur such a inspiration to me and i’ve learnt a lot from your videos i’m a big step ahead in college all because of you and your deep descriptive amazing videos so from the bottom of my heart thankyou so much man your the best of the best and i mean it i can’t thankyou enough the pure depth of your videos and the specs and parts and how h describe them is exaclty what i want to learn and the way u do it and fix things is how i wanna do it so thankyou joe your my hero seriously it would be a dream of mine to meet you and work on a dirtbike some day ❤️
Always love your videos bro and I’ve learnt some thing I never even new thanks to you bro. Keep the content coming love 2 vintage bro 👌😊
That was some intense watching getting the pully off.🆒😎👍💪!
If you look back on your first video, when you removed the cylinder jug, you remarked that it was dry of oil around the crank. That was the sign of no oil or low oil pressure. Who would have thought that they would put a plastic gear to run the oil and water pump. Cheap i guess . Being in the trade, i was as curious as you to get to the problem. Great vid, thks.
Next time try water or oil. Fill it, Teflon tape the bolt real good, then impact it. I use this method to pop generator rotors off the crankshafts. Works pretty well.
Great video!
Somtimes I find it easier to insert the piston to the cylinder before connecting it with the crank rod, it really depends on the length of the rod. However you made it look easy.
Never seen a clutch that stuck. But the whole time I’m watch you wrestle with that thing I’m thinking would have heated the snot out of that inner sheave before using that much pressure. But you finally got it!
Great job thus far. What a massive undertaking.
Same exact thing happened to my OG 2016 Can-Am maverick. The teeth on that gear broke off and I lost oil pressure. I got lucky on mine, I didn’t have to pull the engine out just the clutch and side cover to replace the oil pump and gear. Mine shut off when I lost oil pressure. This off brand machine you bought didn’t shut off. Those bearings look like they were in there a long time without oil lol
very important to change you oil according to manufacturers recommendation oil is alot cheaper than a rebuild ore new one
got a nod of appreciation from me for taking this thing on , my engine knowledge is pretty limited but i know a nightmare when i see one and that is a bad day. but im guessing a niche market as not many would attempt this unless you're getting $$$ an hour
Very nice work! Yeah, its good that you take your time and dont miss anything.
Love to see your videos. 🎉 You are a good mechanic and a good youtuber. ⭐️🏆🎖
Chrome sockets are cheap for using as impact sockets..He do es awesome work with what he has..
Spun bearings, sxs problem. Oil pressure quit.
Great job Joe. Nice attention to detail.
I fixed a CBR1000rr that had a bearing that spun like that, and I had to put a new oil pump in it because the old one was all scored up from all the metal debris going through it.
What a pain. Not going to lie, I would have given up a long time ago. You have the patience and skill to do this job. Good on you man.
Crazy work compared to other small engines
Great job! You got the clutch off! You did an amazing job!
You 've got to love the Carpenter Hammer. Ball Peen Hammers must cost a fortune!
Or a mini sledge.
That's right Joe, take your time so we get more videos😅
Next time heat that clutch up with a tourch if your doing a bottom end anyways just put hella heat to it an it would pop rite off . It may melt crank seals but your doing the bottom end anyways
I'm a diesel mechanic. Tractor trailers have so many plastic parts that fail as well! It's crazy!!
Your skills are picking up, but do me a favor and throw that carpenters hammer into the attic. Buy yourself a new 14oz mechanics ballpeen, and a brass/plastic hammer for tapping things like rod caps, steel not so good for them. Keep with the process. 🙂
Hey Joe I’ve been a mechanic for almost 40 years and this bye far is probably the worst power train design I’ve ever seen. Great videos I’m hooked on your channel
I’m thinking you need two rods and a crankshaft. I doubt that you can find someone to turn the crank, but then you need over sized bearings that they probably don’t make.
you do a good job showing the repairs and trouble shooting but a heads up you need a good ballpeen shop hammer keep up the good work
Nice work. Progress looking good.
Are you going to repaint the frame while you have the engine out?
Make this thing look the part. $ 💰✨🎞️
Nicely done 👏👏💪. The crank failure is a big reason why the clutch was almost welded from the 🔥🔥🌡. 89% would've gave up including me & parted it out 😔 lol. Truly a nice job & wonder if they make a metal gear upgrade to correct a major flawed design 🤔. Thanks for sharing the awesome progress. I have faith in your skill set 🙆👍. Salute 🎬😎✌️
In the future, put some grease on those puller threads and use a 4 or 5 pound sledgehammer, instead of that little claw hammer.
Great video ,Joe , look forward to next video , sir, great comments and excellent support from viewers,,
Would you happen to have the part number for the crankshaft bearing press kit thank you
I'm not a mechanic, but could you have applied some heat to it? Or would the heat destroy seals etc? Great video
And I don't know if it's worth it, but that crank can be saved. A machine shop can take that journal down 5-7 thousandths, polish it down another 3 thousandths, then use 10 thousandths oversized bearings. Or it can be filled and machined/polished down to factory spec.
Good videos on rebuild bike .
U videos motivate me to look for my first motorcycle when I was 10 and I didn't a restoration on the bike the was a 1983 Honda atc 185s I will love to send you same picture motorcycle
Awesome video sir. I absolutely love your channel. Binged watched every video. God Bless. Hi Vinny!
Heat dat biatche clutch up!😁
Good watch Joe!
That clutch put up a good fight. Glad you eventually got it off .in o e piece.
the reason why those clutches get so extremely stuck, is most often due to not cleaning the shaft/clutch prior to assembly, incorrect torque on the bolt, a temperature difference between the crank and the clutch, for example having the engine out in the cold, and bringing your clutch out from a warm house. And, of course, a combination of those things. Using a little bit of heat, however, can do wonders in such cases.
Awesome video as always! If you didn’t have this TH-cam channel would you have still rebuilt this one or just sold it for parts?
Good job man I’m glad you like working in stuff a lot!
Love the Channel. I’m learning so much watching your videos. I appreciate it.
Use light wedging action behind it, sometimes helps a lot.
You have a good eye for small clearances. That means lots of experience. No ring compresser?
In your opinion should a buyer beware of a used side by side that says engine rebuilt or replaced ?? Tks love your channel very informative! 👍👍
Great video. Holy Moly. How do you keep track of all the parts bolts on reassembly.
I'm glad you made it as far as you have with this thing. Its been a pain in the butt since you bought it so good job Joe.
Fill The hole in clutch with grease gun grease.then insert puller.had pretty good luck with it
Where did you purchase the bearing press tool and do you have part number?
This episode: Joe versus the clutch pulley!!
After doing polarises for some time I learned that penetration spray is a good thing also heat works
Please tell me you used assembly lube or something on the main and rod bearings! They looked dry to me
Thank you for exposing that brand I would never ever buy those in the future
U should have put some trans oil in the hole then the clutch would pop off I had to do that on my Polaris 500
That engine is identical to my 2014 maverick 1000 xmr ,just did the same rebuild
Dude!!! That’s a metric shit ton of work!
I located the missing water pump gear pin. Of you go back to the video when you used the magnet to locate the pin. Tje pin is sitting in the small rectangle at the bottom right section of the gear box. You can see the tip of the pin. Like a fool I yelled out :the pin is right there". Good luck, like the content
You were swinging that hammer like John Henry!!!
Hi Joe, love watching your sessions - great info!! bummer you paid $3000 for the POS UTV. How come you don’t use your starter battery to attempt to start it before making an offer, so you can bust the liars? If someone with your incredible knowledge gets misled by scuppers, there’s not much hope for the rest of us!
A general question: you must have a lot of money tied up in all the machines in your garage? Assume you sell some of them after you fix them, hopefully for more than you spent? Have you ever worked on a Harley vrod?
Good morning big guy how about going the opposite direction pushing the force down
The book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" comes to mind. Where he is sitting on the side of the road with a broken clutch, and a stripped screw he can't get off. He realizes that five cent screw, is worth the value of the entire motorcycle. 😆
Love your videos, joe, keep up the great work :)
Where'd you get the bearing press tool?
About the gears there are updated ones made from metal.
Get Yourself some high tac for the gaskets . I used the stuff myself and it is super good .