Can you try Returnal, The Last Of Us, Monster Hunter World & Rise, Psychonauts 2, Halo MCC, Gears 5 and Ultimate Edition, Warhammer Vermintide 2 and Darktide?
As a deck owner I have a hard time justifying another half a grand handheld, Im waiting for a true generational leap and I feel all these other devices are mid gen refreshes of the same type of product where in another year or 2 we should be seeing a giant leap vs stop gaps, Also I decided mentally that my Deck is to catch up on back library of games, My PC is for AAA new games, PS5 for VR and exclusives , Switch for socializing locally, theres no real time to play in same day and to expect desktop performance out of a handheld seems like a dragon chase, expensive af, By January something more powerful will be out by Ayaneo or something, Its congested so much its no longer about hardware but about support, Nothing matches the Deck yet in that area
It is called innovation! Without innovation you wouldn't have a ps5 or steam deck brother. Be greatful people are buying these handhelds because I guarantee steam is watching there progress and Implementing parts into your next handheld.
I agree. I went to Micro Center and they have the Lenovo for you to test out. I wasn't blown away. It's just really a bigger version of the ROG ally. Is it better then the Steam Deck? I guess but I don't think you have to replace it. My opinion
I own both Steam deck and Rog Ally. I spend most of my time with Rog Ally. The biggest reason for this is that it can play games at higher resolution. I do not compare Windows and Linux. If I do, of course the Linux operating system will be more stable. However, I started to prefer playing at higher fps with 25-30 watts or with the same fps at higher resolution. By the way, I still haven't experienced the SD card problems that people experience with Rog Ally (I've been using Rog Ally with SD card for 3.5 months). Finally, the only thing I was not happy with was the battery. I wish I could play games for longer. I have to travel with a power bank.
@@Jaephers5 years with an already outdated steam deck??? Didnt you PC cuck clowns always commented on us console players saying we do years with our console? And at least for our systens the games get optimized. They wont for the deck..... 2024/2025 the new deck has to release, with better built quility, a bigger screen, landscape, 1080p atleast
@@Jaephers If I didn't live in Turkey, I would agree with what you said. However, in my country, 1 dollar = 28.40 Turkish Lira. When I bought Rog Ally, it was 1 Dollar = 22 Turkish Liras. I have a desktop computer. First of all, I can't play games, I'm a graphic designer. I have to get a lot done at the desk. My interest in handheld consoles started with the Steam deck. It's like I'm lying on my bed and playing games before falling asleep. Since the official Steam deck is not currently sold in my country, everyone started selling it for the same price as Rog Ally. Here we are complaining about the sellers, not the manufacturer. Therefore, we started to prefer to buy a newer one for the same money. Probably if the Lenovo handheld computer is sold for a similar amount of money, people will still prefer it over the Steam deck. Well, the truth is that buying games with this dollar exchange rate is not what everyone does in this country. Most people play games with crack. The simplest newly released AC Mirage game costs 2/10 of the minimum wage in my country. Therefore, more people prefer to use Windows.
@@timotheviands7562 $399 (or $359 on sale) for *64gb* Deck + 512gb microSD card for ~$40 = *$400-440* , which is almost a $300 difference. Super important to keep in mind for those of us who cannot afford to pay $700 :)
I paid £349 and upgraded my SSD to 512 for under £100 more. I just don’t get the comparison. The Legion Go is obviously great and so is the ROG Ally but for £450 you won’t get better than a Deck.
@@MohawkV85 a streamlined console-like experience, shader cache, infinite control mappings, touchpads for fast typing without keyboard and for cursor-heavy games, and constant updates and new features. Nothing about that is mediocre :) Not having Game Pass out of the box is regrettably a minus, I agree, but for a handheld PC at $450, it's an incredible deal :) --- _Btw I'm not a fanboy as the steam deck is just too heavy for me and my carpal tunnel and so the controllers are useless, but I still get blown away by the fact that the $450 machine can play so many games and that I actually have access to them. I really want a Legion Go, but SteamOS has been a fantastic experience, and I'm not sure Windows will give me the same seamless experience_
@@zainmushtaq4347 it is mediocre. Value it brings though is different. Its a pc. That can play not so demanding games at 30 to 60 fps. No matter what it is priced at, it is mediocre in terms of graphics fidelity. I have a 4090 just because i can, that's not mediocre but the value is nowhere near a steamdeck. Dont confuse these two. Now the legion go/rog ally is much better being able to run more demanding games smoother. Plus with gamepass my library of day one games automatically increases. I can play on my pc, xbox, and on the go legion go. That alone beats steamdeck. Not to mention the bigger screen better battery. Steam deck needs to be imported here, 700 for the basic. 999 for legion go. No brainer. Now as to stability, ive been using windows for gaming before i had psone. Before that DOS, hmm maybe a few hiccups. I dont see any major issues, if legion delivers regular software ans driver updates.
@@DimasCociuJesus Christ. Don't talk like you're using a Razer Blade 18 with a 4090. The only outlook anyone should be having is "Yes handheld pcs are slowing improving hurray" instead of acting like an older handheld pc is akin to clothes that aren't in season. You're a diva.
Great to see what ASUS and Lenovo have brought to the handheld PC space especially the controller you can turn into a mouse and the beastly screens but my Steam Deck is keeping me happy until I see what the SD2 offers when/if it turns up. My issue is price, for £700 I have enough carry over parts from an old setup that I could build a 6700xt desktop PC for the same price and just keep the Steam Deck. The £460 price was just right to tempt me in with the Steam Deck, now I know I have a use case for a handheld PC I may spend £700 in the future but it would have been a turn off as an entry point. The other big issue is OS and support, Lenovo and ASUS don't have the capacity to match Valve in that regard. I hope it and the ALLY do well though.
You shouldn’t get so stuck to the steam deck, its already old configuration and wount run almost anything at 60 fps clean. The legion go is way better despite the price difference
@@DimasCociu I have a PC to play anything the Deck struggles with and 30-50 fps is fine on a small screen. Given the size of the PC library I'd say the Steam Deck runs most games at 60fps just not demanding titles from the last few years. Even on my main PC I stay away from new AAA games for at least a year as they are usually a broken mess and cost too much.
I think the most important things are price, portability, and playability. The Lenovo Go is $700 and the Steam Deck starts at $350. The Go is quite larger than the Deck which makes it harder to carry. The Go is about 40% faster, but the deck feels more like a console and feels more durable with part replacement being a breeze. The deck is also easy to use as an emulator and has tons of plugins for better customization. I think they are both great, but if you're looking for a console for when you're away from your main setup then you can't beat the Deck.
finally! not a bad handheld. The Steam Deck is still over it, but the legion is really interesting at least compared to the bullshit we were recieving like the Ally
I just feel like the steam deck is on point with the handheld market. The price, the performance, everything just feels right with the steam deck. I honestly feel like the legion go and rog ally are not that much better in performance to blow me away and not for that price no.
I mean this is not wrong, performance isn't much better, it's only once you get past 15 watts that you see a big difference, and below does worse than deck This is why only aya kun for now works with the same apu, for real portable use, and being better in performance
Steam Deck has a 60hz screen, so I guess that's why it doesn't go any higher than 60fps. Would just waste battery without a benefit to go higher on the internal screen.
People forget that a device that you hold in your hands that runs on a battery needs to have different design priorities to a device that stays on your desktop with a continuous supply of power. 🤷♂
I like that you put the same settings and resolution on each comparison. Most TH-camrs don't even bother with resolution and then claim "marginal" difference in performance between the Steam Deck amd whatever device they're comparing it to.
@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 I don't care about battery life. I was talking about performance, or power, not power efficiency. If the games will run so much better I'll take the inferior battery life any day. I don't play more than an hour unplugged, there's always a power outlet nearby (even on planes).
@@mariozt4rr it's one of the most important parts of a handheld, if you're going to do that and only plsy for an hour. A laptop would be a better purchase. Ultimately all of these handhelds are weak, if all you care about is portable power get a laptop with a real discrete GPU🤦.
I think this is one of those I am going to wait a couple of years to see which one really is good as far as durability and updates. I keep seeing people battle with the heat issue on the Lenovo Legion and people have said they still need some updates to catch up with the Steam Deck and Asus. I personally am seeing a few bugs comparatively and if I’m going to spend that much money, I definitely want it to be something that I will like that’s rounded and tested properly over time. Maybe by then I can afford one too haha. I think for me I’m too overwhelmed by the options at this point, I’m still a novice in the gaming world as far as devices, and emulators, and I’ve never owned a pc so it’s really hard for me to just jump in and attempt to compare when I have no experience to compare it with. I know what games I want to play but that’s as far as it goes for me, which device can play them best, and others, like retro games, I need to do a ton of more research.
issue is you are testing the Go at 30w (i believe) vs the deck at 15w. The deck pretty much almost maxes out performances between 10-12w. You will have no battery life on the Go. The Go gets crushed by the Ally at 15w currently. It wins at 30w. Who is playing these handhelds at 30w unless docked?
i play my ally at 30 ..if im within 5 feet of my charging cable ...but mainly performance mode 15 edit i got so mad when this came out right after i bought my ally ..but after these reviews i dont feel like im missing to much at this point
I definitely like the concept of this but I personally don’t think I could justify buying this because for the same price right now I could get a LOQ with a ryzen 5 and 4050 and 8 gbs of upgradable ram plus I already own a steam deck. Don’t get me wrong though I definitely prefer it over the ROG ally but that’s just me
@@jamesick 64gb base model comes at $400 (or $360 on sale) + 512gb microsd card can be bought for $40 = $400-440 is the cheapest way to get the same storage as a Go/Ally, amounting to a $300 difference, which is _a lot_ :)
@@zainmushtaq4347 the 64gb steamdeck is now £309 until it runs out of stock then the 256gb one is the same price as the 64gb one, aka it's now even cheaper and more worthwhile to get a steamdeck, literally nothing can compete value wise
Hopefully you do a steam deck oled comparison. Also i think as these are handhelds with portability in mind power draw is also something i think you need to account for. I dont know the legion go's battery life but if it dies twice as fast i would think it would be important to know.
After watching a good number of videos, including this one. I told my friend to get me the Legion Go. The Steam Deck was never in play,as I get all my games from GOG. I was thinking of the Ally,but my friend was not impressed with it,and after seeing,and playing some of my games on it I was not impressed either.
A lot of the hitches on Lenovo Go are solely because of the insane amount of bloatware on Win 11. If you either A) remove the bloatware, or B) boot to linux instead, it makes a massive difference
Yeh but the scaling will look terrible on a phone when it comes to emulation the decks 720p screen will look way better than a high resolution phone old games are designed to look better on low resolution the higher the resolution the worser it will look not to mention the the comfort of the deck
Only if you buy the 64gb model and use it as a backlog catalog slayer. New AAA games are moving on from the Deck already. Alan Wake 2, Starfield, and even the upcoming Avatar game.
@@Cakebattered Alan Wake 2 and Avatar are not even out yet, so you have no idea how they will run on anything let alone how they will run on the Deck. Starfield DOES run on the Deck and there are efforts to get it running better, but it is not running as well as it should on desktop PCs either...
@user-vp6cq4sv3d if you buy the cheapest deck then it's way cheaper then the legion. But now that the Oled version is coming they start at 549.99 plus tax for 512 and $649 for 1gb I'll take the legion go with 512gb for $699 any day. My 1tb legion will be here tomorrow. And I'm a day one SD owner I wasn't a fan of Linux I hated it.
@@digitaldoom3593 Not my problem. I'm getting a refurbished SD on Tuesday knowing community support as well as customer support and rma isn't going go to be an iffy subject. I'm not american neither.
Great video my man, very impressed with the Legion, as I have both handhelds also. Steam Deck has my respect just for setting the pc gaming handheld trend, but I am very much enjoying the legion as I was playing Need for speed Hot pursuit remastered on it for 6 hrs straight lol overkill, that screen Legion has is a Beast, nothing is topping it at that moment. all in all can't wait for the Legion to get ironed out with the updates and make it very smooth ..
@MandyEnglish sorry for the delay, I can't recall the power play but I have a 100w charger and I just left it plugged In ...the battery does not bother me becsuse I'm always plugged up
If you are going out of your way to lower the resolution of the Lenovo Legion Go to 800p to compare it to the Steam Deck, you might as well use the 15w tdp profile for a fair performance comparison. Is the performance is still going to be better on the Legion Go? Yes. But performance ain't going to be higher any higher than 10%.
Z1 extreme is such a great cpu at this price point. I don’t see any handhelds being released within the next 3 years with better performance for the same price.
@@SWOTHDRA Even if they make the best CPU ever seen it’s restricted to Nintendo switch games only. With a windows handheld you can play *any* game thanks to emulation.
Its frustrating ...Idk why each testing are on low setting...like at least medium to high setting performance is what i wanna see...to see how they handle the games. Who goes out to spend 700plus dollar to see if its gonna handle something and low setting. Lets see it handling stuff at medium to high ...doesnt matter if its so low fps ..we wanna see
it was more like in relation to the Go, like I had the exact same reaction when first seeing the Go in the video and then the Deck -- the screen and the large bezels just made it appear "smaller" than the Go's seemingly large bezel-less screen 😅
Test this for me. I wanna know, what is the best looking game that will max out the Legion Go?.144fps, 1600p, at high settings. Is it Circuit Superstars? Is it Team Fortress 2? League of Legends? Rocket League? Make a video on that! Trying to max out the Legion Go on less demanding games. lol
Popular RTS would be an awesome benchmark with the FPS mode as in Mouse and Bluetooth keyboard. I’m really thinking about a hotelroom device for AoE2/4 or SC2… If anyone has experience or insight would be much appreciated!
You can never compare native performance vs emulation. The SD was cool when it had no competition but times change. Of course its not worth to buy something else now but if Valve will release SD2, I am not that sure they will keep using proton. The weaker SD hardware in combination with the extra translation layer is what is causing this huge gap. 1 on 1 native comparison wouldnt had that huge of a difference.
@@CakebatteredMoving on Graphics Cards for pcs get worse and are only useful for crypto mining anyway. Graphics whores don't even play boomer shooters and point and click pc games because they've been on console stabilisers for years. Not mature enough to not suck off Hollywood (tRipLe aaaAaaa) essentially.
Elden ring on the deck is not 1280x800 in your test, i can see clearly black borders on top and bottom so it is 720p and you dont say what tdp is lenovo running
im sorry, settings on low and getting 40fps is phenomenal ? really? to me thats like paying 700 for a ps3 and you tested eldren ring unplugged on the deck but plugged in on the go, surely having it plugged in makes a difference?
It's only obsolete if no one uses it. I still boot up my old GTX970/I5 4690k build to play some Killing Floor 2 so even ancient tech is still relevent😄
Your comparing a Linux pc vs a windows pc so it’s not apple too apples. It’s apple to oranges. The deck has more flexibility. You run Elden ring with the right version of proton and frs settings and can get the game on high with solid n the 60fps at a lower watt and have longer battery life. Plus the deck is modular n design so you can easily replace and modify parts on it. Like upgrade the screen too oled and 144 hz.
screen is not upgradable to the Steam deck oled version, so it's a lie. More versatile you say? what is more versatile of windows? Windows run badly on the Deck and the Deck runs badly anything that is not Steam. While the Legion can run everything just natively. And it becomes also a tablet once the controllers are detached. So yeah the Go is just way more versatile
‘Navigating steam on this is not as much fun as navigating steam on steam deck’ Well yeh on the steam deck it opens in big picture mode whether you want it or not, and you haven’t opened steam in big picture mode on the legion go… so pf course it’s going to be different. You can go to desktop mode and open up the basic steam interface there too.
@@zainmushtaq4347steam OS is trash and Linux is the problem I'd rather have windows and run steam in big picture mode then ever have to deal with that crap again one of the reasons I stopped using my deck
@@sam.alexander.reviews sorry Sam, I honestly never noticed before. Which is surprising cause I’ve watched a ton of your videos over the past 3+ years. Keep up with the great content!
Steam Deck’s cool factor is just God tier but I don’t think it holds a candle against Lenovo’s 3X faster CPU and close to 2X faster GPU. All this without FSR which scales.
We handheld users aim for 40hz/40fps on 10 watts for goodsmoothness and battery life. Steam Deck is just superior, so well balanced for Steam games (yet the Nintendo Switch is still the king of handhelds).
I agree. The comparison is not valid because 1080 by 1440(or 1600) looks like shit. And he is trying to compare it running games on 800p. Of course legion will be better. Thats just a fact.
Seems the legion is only worth it if you cant easily get the deck in your country. I STILL have to import it in newzealand despite the CEO of valve living here
let me know if you have any specific games you want tested on the Legion go!
Can you try Returnal, The Last Of Us, Monster Hunter World & Rise, Psychonauts 2, Halo MCC, Gears 5 and Ultimate Edition, Warhammer Vermintide 2 and Darktide?
Xbox 360 and PS3 emulation
Final Fantasy 7 Remake Intergrade!!
Lords of the fallen 2023
NFS Unbound is pretty hard to drive in the Steam Deck. Specially in night races
As a deck owner I have a hard time justifying another half a grand handheld, Im waiting for a true generational leap and I feel all these other devices are mid gen refreshes of the same type of product where in another year or 2 we should be seeing a giant leap vs stop gaps, Also I decided mentally that my Deck is to catch up on back library of games, My PC is for AAA new games, PS5 for VR and exclusives , Switch for socializing locally, theres no real time to play in same day and to expect desktop performance out of a handheld seems like a dragon chase, expensive af, By January something more powerful will be out by Ayaneo or something, Its congested so much its no longer about hardware but about support, Nothing matches the Deck yet in that area
It is called innovation! Without innovation you wouldn't have a ps5 or steam deck brother.
Be greatful people are buying these handhelds because I guarantee steam is watching there progress and Implementing parts into your next handheld.
I agree. I went to Micro Center and they have the Lenovo for you to test out. I wasn't blown away. It's just really a bigger version of the ROG ally. Is it better then the Steam Deck? I guess but I don't think you have to replace it. My opinion
I own both Steam deck and Rog Ally. I spend most of my time with Rog Ally. The biggest reason for this is that it can play games at higher resolution. I do not compare Windows and Linux. If I do, of course the Linux operating system will be more stable. However, I started to prefer playing at higher fps with 25-30 watts or with the same fps at higher resolution. By the way, I still haven't experienced the SD card problems that people experience with Rog Ally (I've been using Rog Ally with SD card for 3.5 months). Finally, the only thing I was not happy with was the battery. I wish I could play games for longer. I have to travel with a power bank.
@@Jaephers5 years with an already outdated steam deck??? Didnt you PC cuck clowns always commented on us console players saying we do years with our console? And at least for our systens the games get optimized. They wont for the deck..... 2024/2025 the new deck has to release, with better built quility, a bigger screen, landscape, 1080p atleast
@@Jaephers If I didn't live in Turkey, I would agree with what you said. However, in my country, 1 dollar = 28.40 Turkish Lira. When I bought Rog Ally, it was 1 Dollar = 22 Turkish Liras. I have a desktop computer. First of all, I can't play games, I'm a graphic designer. I have to get a lot done at the desk. My interest in handheld consoles started with the Steam deck. It's like I'm lying on my bed and playing games before falling asleep. Since the official Steam deck is not currently sold in my country, everyone started selling it for the same price as Rog Ally. Here we are complaining about the sellers, not the manufacturer. Therefore, we started to prefer to buy a newer one for the same money. Probably if the Lenovo handheld computer is sold for a similar amount of money, people will still prefer it over the Steam deck. Well, the truth is that buying games with this dollar exchange rate is not what everyone does in this country. Most people play games with crack. The simplest newly released AC Mirage game costs 2/10 of the minimum wage in my country. Therefore, more people prefer to use Windows.
The legion is literally crushing the competition. Nothing comes close to it.
very good, you were the first youtuber who tried counter strike in the legion go, I was searching a lot until I found your video
Value for money nothing beats the Steam Deck. Excellent video. I will be holding onto my Deck until Deck 2.
Steam deck is amazing man runs games better than my ps5
@@CKY-lp8zl If you called 720p 30fps better than PS5, yea sure ok man.
DO we really need more than 60hz on a handheld?
$649 512gb steam deck vs $699 512gb legion go.. value for money for sure 🤷♂️
@@timotheviands7562 $399 (or $359 on sale) for *64gb* Deck + 512gb microSD card for ~$40 = *$400-440* , which is almost a $300 difference. Super important to keep in mind for those of us who cannot afford to pay $700 :)
Great Comparison, gotta say though not having to deal with windows is deffo a plus for me. May go for the OLED Steam Deck.
Not to mention 15w battery life. SD is still the best and I own both.
I paid £349 and upgraded my SSD to 512 for under £100 more. I just don’t get the comparison. The Legion Go is obviously great and so is the ROG Ally but for £450 you won’t get better than a Deck.
You get what you pay for, and if you’re looking for 60fps gameplay, the deck aint it
Yeah but wat u get is mediocre. And no gamepass out of the bat.
@@MohawkV85 a streamlined console-like experience, shader cache, infinite control mappings, touchpads for fast typing without keyboard and for cursor-heavy games, and constant updates and new features. Nothing about that is mediocre :) Not having Game Pass out of the box is regrettably a minus, I agree, but for a handheld PC at $450, it's an incredible deal :)
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_Btw I'm not a fanboy as the steam deck is just too heavy for me and my carpal tunnel and so the controllers are useless, but I still get blown away by the fact that the $450 machine can play so many games and that I actually have access to them. I really want a Legion Go, but SteamOS has been a fantastic experience, and I'm not sure Windows will give me the same seamless experience_
@@zainmushtaq4347 it is mediocre. Value it brings though is different. Its a pc. That can play not so demanding games at 30 to 60 fps. No matter what it is priced at, it is mediocre in terms of graphics fidelity. I have a 4090 just because i can, that's not mediocre but the value is nowhere near a steamdeck. Dont confuse these two.
Now the legion go/rog ally is much better being able to run more demanding games smoother. Plus with gamepass my library of day one games automatically increases. I can play on my pc, xbox, and on the go legion go. That alone beats steamdeck. Not to mention the bigger screen better battery. Steam deck needs to be imported here, 700 for the basic. 999 for legion go. No brainer. Now as to stability, ive been using windows for gaming before i had psone. Before that DOS, hmm maybe a few hiccups. I dont see any major issues, if legion delivers regular software ans driver updates.
@@DimasCociuJesus Christ. Don't talk like you're using a Razer Blade 18 with a 4090. The only outlook anyone should be having is "Yes handheld pcs are slowing improving hurray" instead of acting like an older handheld pc is akin to clothes that aren't in season. You're a diva.
You have to allow tearing on the steam deck to go above 60
Great to see what ASUS and Lenovo have brought to the handheld PC space especially the controller you can turn into a mouse and the beastly screens but my Steam Deck is keeping me happy until I see what the SD2 offers when/if it turns up. My issue is price, for £700 I have enough carry over parts from an old setup that I could build a 6700xt desktop PC for the same price and just keep the Steam Deck. The £460 price was just right to tempt me in with the Steam Deck, now I know I have a use case for a handheld PC I may spend £700 in the future but it would have been a turn off as an entry point. The other big issue is OS and support, Lenovo and ASUS don't have the capacity to match Valve in that regard. I hope it and the ALLY do well though.
You shouldn’t get so stuck to the steam deck, its already old configuration and wount run almost anything at 60 fps clean. The legion go is way better despite the price difference
@@DimasCociu I have a PC to play anything the Deck struggles with and 30-50 fps is fine on a small screen. Given the size of the PC library I'd say the Steam Deck runs most games at 60fps just not demanding titles from the last few years. Even on my main PC I stay away from new AAA games for at least a year as they are usually a broken mess and cost too much.
@@DimasCociu It's hardly way better. It's not even worth an upgrade from the Steam deck at this point.
@@DimasCociuBetter at what? Playing Last of Us?
I think the most important things are price, portability, and playability. The Lenovo Go is $700 and the Steam Deck starts at $350. The Go is quite larger than the Deck which makes it harder to carry. The Go is about 40% faster, but the deck feels more like a console and feels more durable with part replacement being a breeze. The deck is also easy to use as an emulator and has tons of plugins for better customization. I think they are both great, but if you're looking for a console for when you're away from your main setup then you can't beat the Deck.
Same, ill switch to my laptop with bigger screen if I need a biggerscren or more oerformance.
The Go doesn't even look 40% faster tho?
First time I see someone using No Man's Sky to compare both devices performance, really cool
finally! not a bad handheld. The Steam Deck is still over it, but the legion is really interesting at least compared to the bullshit we were recieving like the Ally
I just feel like the steam deck is on point with the handheld market. The price, the performance, everything just feels right with the steam deck. I honestly feel like the legion go and rog ally are not that much better in performance to blow me away and not for that price no.
Neither will last steam deck always gonna win👌🏼
I mean this is not wrong, performance isn't much better, it's only once you get past 15 watts that you see a big difference, and below does worse than deck
This is why only aya kun for now works with the same apu, for real portable use, and being better in performance
Steam Deck is perfect!
@@MarzMindsetdid we watch the same video?
Steam Deck has a 60hz screen, so I guess that's why it doesn't go any higher than 60fps. Would just waste battery without a benefit to go higher on the internal screen.
People forget that a device that you hold in your hands that runs on a battery needs to have different design priorities to a device that stays on your desktop with a continuous supply of power. 🤷♂
makes sense, prolly locked at 60.
This guys comparisons dont even make sense
Great video I’ve been looking for someone who will do exactly this. You just convinced me to upgrade whenever si get the chance :)
I prefer the size screen of the deck or ROG Ally but the screen looks do much better in term of colors on the Legion and Ally.
Mines well just get a pc if ur gonna go for either or nothing beats the deck and the support
This is exactly the video I was looking for. Thanks! Ill keep my SD for now
What's the name of the last game? Looks sick!
endless dungeon! and yeah i love it :)
I like that you put the same settings and resolution on each comparison. Most TH-camrs don't even bother with resolution and then claim "marginal" difference in performance between the Steam Deck amd whatever device they're comparing it to.
Yeah but it's twice the wattage probably on the legion go.
Not to mention different screen sizes mean different visual quality of each resolution
yeah but the Ally like the Legion Go can draw over 30W🤦. When you run at 15W to have actual battery life the perf diff is a lot less stark.
@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 I don't care about battery life. I was talking about performance, or power, not power efficiency. If the games will run so much better I'll take the inferior battery life any day. I don't play more than an hour unplugged, there's always a power outlet nearby (even on planes).
@@mariozt4rr it's one of the most important parts of a handheld, if you're going to do that and only plsy for an hour. A laptop would be a better purchase. Ultimately all of these handhelds are weak, if all you care about is portable power get a laptop with a real discrete GPU🤦.
I think this is one of those I am going to wait a couple of years to see which one really is good as far as durability and updates. I keep seeing people battle with the heat issue on the Lenovo Legion and people have said they still need some updates to catch up with the Steam Deck and Asus. I personally am seeing a few bugs comparatively and if I’m going to spend that much money, I definitely want it to be something that I will like that’s rounded and tested properly over time. Maybe by then I can afford one too haha. I think for me I’m too overwhelmed by the options at this point, I’m still a novice in the gaming world as far as devices, and emulators, and I’ve never owned a pc so it’s really hard for me to just jump in and attempt to compare when I have no experience to compare it with. I know what games I want to play but that’s as far as it goes for me, which device can play them best, and others, like retro games, I need to do a ton of more research.
issue is you are testing the Go at 30w (i believe) vs the deck at 15w. The deck pretty much almost maxes out performances between 10-12w. You will have no battery life on the Go. The Go gets crushed by the Ally at 15w currently. It wins at 30w. Who is playing these handhelds at 30w unless docked?
i play my ally at 30 ..if im within 5 feet of my charging cable ...but mainly performance mode 15
edit i got so mad when this came out right after i bought my ally ..but after these reviews i dont feel like im missing to much at this point
Not mentioning TDP is such a bad omission when doing these comparisons
I mainly use my steam deck at home sitting in my recliner so battery life is no issue. I know alot of others are the same.
it crashes the ally at 20 W (balanced mode) not 30 W and actually it has still a bug with custom to 30 and it preforms worse for some reason
I definitely like the concept of this but I personally don’t think I could justify buying this because for the same price right now I could get a LOQ with a ryzen 5 and 4050 and 8 gbs of upgradable ram plus I already own a steam deck. Don’t get me wrong though I definitely prefer it over the ROG ally but that’s just me
I don’t know if you touched on it but how much of a difference does the Go’s screen size make
Double the cost, double ish performance, about lines up, still getting a steamdeck
i think it’s only about £150 more or so if you consider the storage
@@jamesick I don't consider storage because steamdeck storage upgrades are overpriced af
@@jamesick 64gb base model comes at $400 (or $360 on sale) + 512gb microsd card can be bought for $40 = $400-440 is the cheapest way to get the same storage as a Go/Ally, amounting to a $300 difference, which is _a lot_ :)
@@zainmushtaq4347 get integral bro you can get 512gb for a bit cheaper than you just said and they're never cloned, Amazon
@@zainmushtaq4347 the 64gb steamdeck is now £309 until it runs out of stock then the 256gb one is the same price as the 64gb one, aka it's now even cheaper and more worthwhile to get a steamdeck, literally nothing can compete value wise
cyberpunk on the deck feels awesome loving it
Guys: The last game tested is Endless Dungeon.
Hopefully you do a steam deck oled comparison. Also i think as these are handhelds with portability in mind power draw is also something i think you need to account for. I dont know the legion go's battery life but if it dies twice as fast i would think it would be important to know.
need information on battery life, that really helps us in choosing too
After watching a good number of videos, including this one. I told my friend to get me the Legion Go. The Steam Deck was never in play,as I get all my games from GOG. I was thinking of the Ally,but my friend was not impressed with it,and after seeing,and playing some of my games on it I was not impressed either.
What about the battery life ??
At first, I thought you broke your thumb using a Sony controller. But then I realized. And so now I think a Sony controller would best fit you
This really helped me with my potential buying decisions, thank you!
Am getting my legion go on Thursday
A lot of the hitches on Lenovo Go are solely because of the insane amount of bloatware on Win 11. If you either A) remove the bloatware, or B) boot to linux instead, it makes a massive difference
My deck is an emulation machine. Ps1 at 6 watts. Ps2 and GameCube at 8-10watts is just too good
Maybe. But i can use phone for that.
@@MohawkV85 ok, then do that
Yeh but the scaling will look terrible on a phone when it comes to emulation the decks 720p screen will look way better than a high resolution phone old games are designed to look better on low resolution the higher the resolution the worser it will look not to mention the the comfort of the deck
What about 30W TDP mode for Lenovo - I’m guessing you tested everything in performance 15W, but 30W would also be interesting to test
i tested the 30w mode but it didn't give much more performance, probalby around 10% faster but the fans were much louder and hotter
Awesome video man I’m curious what’s the name of that last game you were playing towards end of video?
Regarding steam navigation on the Legion Go, why not set it to big picture mode that's much more controller focused?
Steam Deck is still valid and still the best price-performance option
Only if you buy the 64gb model and use it as a backlog catalog slayer. New AAA games are moving on from the Deck already. Alan Wake 2, Starfield, and even the upcoming Avatar game.
@@Cakebattered Alan Wake 2 and Avatar are not even out yet, so you have no idea how they will run on anything let alone how they will run on the Deck. Starfield DOES run on the Deck and there are efforts to get it running better, but it is not running as well as it should on desktop PCs either...
@@CakebatteredI don't trust you when you essentially say storage doesn't matter. Just admit you're wrong and emmc is worse than ssd.
@user-vp6cq4sv3d if you buy the cheapest deck then it's way cheaper then the legion. But now that the Oled version is coming they start at 549.99 plus tax for 512 and $649 for 1gb I'll take the legion go with 512gb for $699 any day. My 1tb legion will be here tomorrow. And I'm a day one SD owner I wasn't a fan of Linux I hated it.
@@digitaldoom3593 Not my problem. I'm getting a refurbished SD on Tuesday knowing community support as well as customer support and rma isn't going go to be an iffy subject. I'm not american neither.
Great video my man, very impressed with the Legion, as I have both handhelds also. Steam Deck has my respect just for setting the pc gaming handheld trend, but I am very much enjoying the legion as I was playing Need for speed Hot pursuit remastered on it for 6 hrs straight lol overkill, that screen Legion has is a Beast, nothing is topping it at that moment. all in all can't wait for the Legion to get ironed out with the updates and make it very smooth ..
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6hours is really something, what power was your legion at when playing the game ?
@MandyEnglish He was probably plugged in while playing, I dont think any handhelds can get 6 hours of battery time
@MandyEnglish sorry for the delay, I can't recall the power play but I have a 100w charger and I just left it plugged In ...the battery does not bother me becsuse I'm always plugged up
@toaster3082 Yes, I always keep it plugged up, especially playing at a higher resolution over 1080p
If you are going out of your way to lower the resolution of the Lenovo Legion Go to 800p to compare it to the Steam Deck, you might as well use the 15w tdp profile for a fair performance comparison.
Is the performance is still going to be better on the Legion Go? Yes. But performance ain't going to be higher any higher than 10%.
Thanks for pointing this out, totally forgot that the Go was running on higher TDP, which means shorter battery time.
I didn't even know people used cellphones to record their videos. This looks like you used some high brand camera.
phones are getting pretty good cameras these days!
Z1 extreme is such a great cpu at this price point. I don’t see any handhelds being released within the next 3 years with better performance for the same price.
Wait till the next switch comes out. Nvidia will blow this away. AMD X86, will never beat a ARM dedicated soc towards gaming
what@@SWOTHDRA
@@SWOTHDRA Even if they make the best CPU ever seen it’s restricted to Nintendo switch games only. With a windows handheld you can play *any* game thanks to emulation.
@@SWOTHDRAlook at those huge devices they barely even invest on design
@@SWOTHDRA Is that why they use ARM SOCs in the Series X and PS5 then? You're too funny.
Anyone know what is the last game that he tested please? Thank you!
endless dungeon!
@@sam.alexander.reviews thank you
what is the nae of the website or Program you use for size comparison? 4:55
display wars!
I’ve never seen your videos before but I legit thought that was your foot for some reason 😂
really put the _foot_ in your mouth, didn't you
Its frustrating ...Idk why each testing are on low setting...like at least medium to high setting performance is what i wanna see...to see how they handle the games.
Who goes out to spend 700plus dollar to see if its gonna handle something and low setting. Lets see it handling stuff at medium to high ...doesnt matter if its so low fps ..we wanna see
I love the Steam deck , the Inlay thing is that the Legion can run Game pass … thats what i wish for the deck
Game pass works on Deck my friend. It’s complicated to setup but I’ve got it working flawlessly on mine. Look for tutorials on YT if you’re interested
That’s for streaming games btw. I know you can download games with Game Pass but I’ve never done that
Hearing someone call the steamdeck a "little thing" is kinda trippy. We werent saying it was little a month ago.
it was more like in relation to the Go, like I had the exact same reaction when first seeing the Go in the video and then the Deck -- the screen and the large bezels just made it appear "smaller" than the Go's seemingly large bezel-less screen 😅
lol yeah very true, its all relative
Thank you so much for testing against Elden Ring. It’s a game I’d like to play on the go locally (no remote play) so this comparison was very useful!
Have fun!
3:05 did you try big picture mode in Steam?
yeah it worked much better, thanks!
Test this for me. I wanna know, what is the best looking game that will max out the Legion Go?.144fps, 1600p, at high settings. Is it Circuit Superstars? Is it Team Fortress 2? League of Legends? Rocket League? Make a video on that! Trying to max out the Legion Go on less demanding games. lol
Big question, how long did it take for that spot to get super hot on the go? Is that the battery heating up? Did it cool down quickly?
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hmm at that point i'd been testing for at least 30 mins? so should be thermally saturated
This is awesome! I might buy a Legion Go now...thanks?! haha
What's the last game? The top down shooter or whatever it is. I'm intrigued.
Endless dungeon!
@@sam.alexander.reviewsnice; will look into it!
Popular RTS would be an awesome benchmark with the FPS mode as in Mouse and Bluetooth keyboard.
I’m really thinking about a hotelroom device for AoE2/4 or SC2…
If anyone has experience or insight would be much appreciated!
I have SC2 i can test :)
all these handhelds are cool, but the Deck will still come out on top due to dev and community support
Depends on how plan to use it. Moving forward very few AAA games will play on Steam Deck.
COPE
@@CakebatteredYou're misleading. Every AAA game will play on the SD at low frame rate. They will play regardless. You just need to cope.
You can never compare native performance vs emulation. The SD was cool when it had no competition but times change. Of course its not worth to buy something else now but if Valve will release SD2, I am not that sure they will keep using proton. The weaker SD hardware in combination with the extra translation layer is what is causing this huge gap. 1 on 1 native comparison wouldnt had that huge of a difference.
@@CakebatteredMoving on Graphics Cards for pcs get worse and are only useful for crypto mining anyway. Graphics whores don't even play boomer shooters and point and click pc games because they've been on console stabilisers for years. Not mature enough to not suck off Hollywood (tRipLe aaaAaaa) essentially.
It was tested on the same tdps?
Thanks for sharing, great video!
I think head on comparison of these devices is pretty dumb. They are just from different pricing categories!
Price to performance. Nothing beats the steamdeck
Oled Deck kicks the ass of that Lenovo screen now.
Elden ring on the deck is not 1280x800 in your test, i can see clearly black borders on top and bottom so it is 720p and you dont say what tdp is lenovo running
but this is like testing a ps3 against a ps4, its an older cpu against its older brother.
How come you didnt jist use big picture mode on steam it works and looks the same as the deck
what TDP are they running ?
Oled smoked the competition
Great comparison video!
im sorry, settings on low and getting 40fps is phenomenal ? really? to me thats like paying 700 for a ps3 and you tested eldren ring unplugged on the deck but plugged in on the go, surely having it plugged in makes a difference?
So is the steam deck now obsolete because of the legion ?
It's only obsolete if no one uses it. I still boot up my old GTX970/I5 4690k build to play some Killing Floor 2 so even ancient tech is still relevent😄
at a $300 price difference, no, the deck is here to stay as the most budget-friendly handheld gaming pc option :)
Your comparing a Linux pc vs a windows pc so it’s not apple too apples. It’s apple to oranges. The deck has more flexibility. You run Elden ring with the right version of proton and frs settings and can get the game on high with solid n the 60fps at a lower watt and have longer battery life. Plus the deck is modular n design so you can easily replace and modify parts on it. Like upgrade the screen too oled and 144 hz.
What proton/system settings do you have for Elden Ring on Steam Deck? Genuinely want to run it better than vanilla.
screen is not upgradable to the Steam deck oled version, so it's a lie. More versatile you say? what is more versatile of windows? Windows run badly on the Deck and the Deck runs badly anything that is not Steam. While the Legion can run everything just natively. And it becomes also a tablet once the controllers are detached. So yeah the Go is just way more versatile
‘Navigating steam on this is not as much fun as navigating steam on steam deck’
Well yeh on the steam deck it opens in big picture mode whether you want it or not, and you haven’t opened steam in big picture mode on the legion go… so pf course it’s going to be different.
You can go to desktop mode and open up the basic steam interface there too.
yeah my b on that one! i'll fix it for the next video, thanks!
The reason the screen look big and wide not just the size but the resolution is a massive difference
He was playing at the same resolution
I love to see competition. But until i see a ground up OS quality build from someone else, i good with the deck
You know how difficult it is to make that?
@@SWOTHDRA incredibly. But making a handheld built windows or whatever would reap untold rewards
I really want a Legion Go, but after using SteamOS on the Deck, I'm afraid to discover that Windows will be a vastly inferior experience :/
First thing I did with my deck was put windows on it. That is a ground up OS.
@@zainmushtaq4347steam OS is trash and Linux is the problem I'd rather have windows and run steam in big picture mode then ever have to deal with that crap again one of the reasons I stopped using my deck
would have bought the go if it had steam os or something like it but now ive bought a deck
0:25 is that really how you have to hold that thing? Looks so uncomfortable
ehh i've got messed up thumbs, most people could hold it much more comfortably
@@sam.alexander.reviews sorry Sam, I honestly never noticed before.
Which is surprising cause I’ve watched a ton of your videos over the past 3+ years.
Keep up with the great content!
what is this? $400 vs $800 Performance titles?
Steam Deck’s cool factor is just God tier but I don’t think it holds a candle against Lenovo’s 3X faster CPU and close to 2X faster GPU. All this without FSR which scales.
no disrespect but ar3 your hands normal?
nah, birth defect
What TDP did you run the Go at? Auto?
performance on all! which is 20w
@@sam.alexander.reviews Awesome, thanks for answering! :)
Hi can you play cs2 online with the steamdeck? Mine says I can't because of some anti cheat error. Nice video!
i'll test it out!
That's why you get the dbrand case that has the kickstand built on that's detachable does the same thing
We handheld users aim for 40hz/40fps on 10 watts for goodsmoothness and battery life. Steam Deck is just superior, so well balanced for Steam games (yet the Nintendo Switch is still the king of handhelds).
Can anyone help me anyone know why my character models on Witcher 3 look terrible on steam deck :(((
Please tell me what is the name of the last game in the test?
endless dungeon!
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Out of interest are you testing both devices at 15w or are you giving the legion go 30w and then going wow and extra 10fps guys
its in the video but deck = 15w legion = 20w
are you playing the CS native or with proton?
hmm, i'm not sure actually, whatever it defaulted to
How did you get your fps counter to work ;-;
it only works half the time, not sure why
I have a problem i have 3 steam decks i need the oled as well
what was the last game btw And can you game at 1440p on that screen at all. is a 1440p screen isn't it?
1600p. Yes you can but not with demanding games.
I agree. The comparison is not valid because 1080 by 1440(or 1600) looks like shit. And he is trying to compare it running games on 800p. Of course legion will be better. Thats just a fact.
What was the last game??
I'd like to know too!
@@Glopezane Endless Dungeon :)
endless dungeon!
Nice video! And the difference in some games I asume is because games like CSGO are more cpu dependent and the Z1 has more cores.
I fear the Legion Go will suffer from problems connecting the joycon like controllers after a while just like the Switch does.
Can u do an ayaneo air 1s with steam deck ? Thank you in advance 🙇🏻♀️
i dont have one :(
@@sam.alexander.reviews it's okayy. Thank you for answering anyway 🤗
Seems the legion is only worth it if you cant easily get the deck in your country. I STILL have to import it in newzealand despite the CEO of valve living here
On no man’s sky on steam deck. You need too use proton experiential and frs set at 5 and set at 15w or higher and you can get 60fps on high.
Name of game for the last test?
It's Endless Dungeon.
endless dungeon!
Try to compare with the new Steam Deck OLED
Wich Game is the last one?
endless dungeon!
I'm happy with 30 fps and medium graphics.
But if you want to Play Shooter Games they will kill you very fast…? Because they have 60 fps or 80-100+
@@MartinaBuchner-zq7qj I do not play shooter games on handheld.
@@agprime okii
Cs go with thumbsticks really is without chance tough.
Now please compare it to the newly released steam deck oled