+The Persian Atheist So? Every nation and culture has done terrible things. He is Turkish and its his show. Should we take out the sunday comic about Vikings? Any show with Brits or Germany in it? Or maybe you are Armenian and, understandable, dont like the Turkish people. Which sadly, makes you racist.
Bennett McCoy its doesnt, it means state ownership of infrastructure, It really doesnt pole its nose too much into industry or the free market. If it does interfere in industry it would be to keep a company afloat because its a large employer or something. And infastructure is much much better in government hands than it is in private hands. Privatisation of national assets is a sin
Bennett McCoy Or ireland, i know that one from experience. Ireland is uber capitalist now, if i thought capitalism was better i would be argueing the case for it. But i'm not, and do you know wht? because capitalism isnt better than socialism. Wasnt socialism that was responsible for the 2008 crash and all the hardships that brought. Know what debt slavery is?
your both kinda right, state socialism is the believe that the government should own all the industries and means of production, while most progressives, including cenk, believe in democratic socialism, which is a captialist system with checks and balances to prevent gross profits for the elite while the country needs some sort of assistance from the government.
Alec & Nick are correct. socialism is when the government owns the means of production, that is not what we have here in America, instead what we have is private ownership of the production. we do however have *socially* funded programs. but we are not *'socialists'*. stop trying to confuse the kid. there is already enough misinformation out there as it is...
+Joel Rayburn and I too said that, anyone can make up things... "Joel Rayburn is a wife beater.." -me See what i just did? Just because you say doesnt mean its true, i thought that was obvious but apparently not. Thats like when trump says he has a big dick, you can take his word but his word isnt worth shit considering all his lies..
Western Europe is not socialism. Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production. That's social-democracy. There isn't public ownership of the means of production. There is mostly private ownership of the means of production.
It's closer to commuism but it's stupid to say that one leads to another. It's like saying the following: Capitalism is a step towards anarchy... Just stop with the feaR MONGERING
His definition of socialism is the opposite of socialism. Socialism is the state ownership of the means of production(farms, factories, businesses) The govt owning Coka-Cola would be socialism. The private sector owning Coka-Cola is capitalism. -Professor of Economics
I like how Cenk completely avoided the comment about how he named his group "The Young Turks." I don't mind TYT or the views shared on his channel, but the fact he won't openly comment on that is disgusting. The Young Turks took control and reformed the Ottoman Empire in 1908, and oversaw and implemented the Armenian Genocide (1915-1917). The Nazis took control of Germany in 1933 and oversaw The Jewish Holocaust during WWII. It's essentially a German-American citizen naming his political talk show TH-cam Channel "The National Socialist Germans" AKA Nazis. Except the German people actually admit in their history that Nazi Germany perpetrated the genocide of Jews. The Turkish government to this day denies a genocide ever took place. Can you imagine something more insulting to the people who survived the genocide or their ancestors? By openly denying their suffering on ethnicity alone actually never happened...
the hypocrite makes a million videos about how the redskins name should be changed, yet thinks it's completely okay for him to name his online "news" show after a party responsible for exterminating the entire non-muslim (armenian, assyrian, greek) population off of anatolia, lol.
The Young Turks movement was actually an anti-monarchist social movement. Some of its founding members would later commit the genocide, because the movement split in half.
+Anthony Serocco please just read The Young Turk Revolution (July 1908) of the Ottoman Empire was the restoration of the Ottoman constitution of 1876 and ushering a multi-party politics in two stage electoral system (electoral law) under the Ottoman parliament by the Young Turks movement. More than 3 decades earlier, Sultan Abdul Hamid II had in 1876 established the constitutional monarchy, First Constitutional Era, which only lasted for two years before it was suspended. On 24 July 1908, Sultan Abdul Hamid II capitulated and announced the restoration of Constitution, which established the Second Constitutional Era. This people no trust at all
cokerockstop2 No it isnt. The legitimate role of government is to protect the rights, freedoms and safety of the public. Fire fighters and cops are there to protect the citizens so are not part of socialism. A nationalised health service is socialism.
cokerockstop2 No, that's not socialism. Socialism is when the government regulates the production and distribution of goods. Under capitalism that is done by private businesses when it does not directly relate to national security because that's the point of the government according to the constitution. In short you're wrong, the police and the army has nothing to do with socialism.
I'm Armenian and I don't feel Turkish people should be forced to give their opinion of the genocide, but I do for Cenk since he named his network after the perpetrators.
Dr Ahmet www.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/world/europe/armenian-genocide-turkey.html What do you expect? Even if the Turkish government still has documents on the genocide that haven't been burnt yet, why on god's earth would they release them? Also, if there really was no genocide, then what the fuck? What is this huge global conspiracy to forge evidence and thousands of eye witnesses? What does everyone have against Turkey? I fucking hate Turk nationalists. Denial/Justification of genocide, denial/Justification of human rights abuses against Kurds. Then they wonder why we won't let their backwards shithole into the EU. They also like to threaten us with two million refugees if we don't give free visas to Turkroaches, and for those roaches to 'Have five children, not two' and that 'They are the future of Europe'. I would rather take in a billion refugees before I take in one more Turkroach (When I say Turkroach, I mean the nationalist ones who deny genocide and hate Kurds, not just regular Turks or good Turks, they're grand and I don't mind having them in Europe).
mmzen Yeah he seems like a nice guy. But the armenian genocide is extremely important to him so you never know. They should interview on TYT, so he can school this fucker on the subject.
No Cenk, Medicare and Social Security are bigger than the military budget. And no, Coca Cola and gov't run programs are not an example of socialism, that's a mixed economy. That's like saying herpes and brain tumors are a type of cancer. You don't just get to lump in non socialist things with socialist things and say its all socialism.
Except that Cenk is being dishonest even on Socialism. Socialism is the government owning the means of production. That is not what we in the states or in europe have. The means of production are owned privately. Meaning private property rights are observed rather than a property of the commons. The Norwegians PM tired of Americans trying to portray Norway as a socialist bastion was angered by the comparison and clearly explained that they are capitalist with social safety nets. Social safety nets =/= socialism
AJ Iggy he is being disingenuous about socialism we have socialistic policies and a market economy once we stop using capitalist vs communist and calling it what we actually are instead of creating polar extreme opposites we will be able to have a real discussion about economic and social programs in this country
***** Socialism is defined as the means of production in the hands of the people... Get your definitions strait, I've read the books on Socialism, and Marx, and Capitalism. Maybe you should before you post dumb shit like this! Any power whether it is government or a group of people that take by force the product of labor from an individual for the commons is in practice no different from each other in the end government whether by representation or direct rule is no different than individuals whom share a commons in their use of force over another. In the end any one that uses force to prevent any individual from acting in his or her own self interest as long as that individuals is not doing the same to others is in no way different from government. It is not different with the a Mafia or Socialism. If I as an individual cannot fully own the product of my labor due to interference from another that other is by practice no different from government
You did not read the comment Socialism cannot exist without force not because government is required but because if I chose to privately own the means of my production it would turn socialism into government force. If I chose to privately own the means of production then that would mean that socialism is not effective. If others commit to using force to stop me they then become government since government is people with guns deciding through force or threats of force what others can do with their means of production. In other words It ends up as government or does not exist unless everyone agrees to follow the rule voluntarily. The later would not occur.
I agree more with the definition of nefariousFOX. At its core, socialism aims ultimately at the end of the private ownership of the means of production. The thing is that, historically the social-democrats by the end of IX century and onwards called themselves socialists. That is why, to differentiate themselves, people like Lenin and trotsky started calling themselves communists, even though the society they were trying to build in the USSR should actually be called socialist, by marx definition, because it was a transitional society. Social-Democracy is a marxist revisionism, and since they defend the reformation of capitalism, that is why some people refer to capitalist social-democratic governments as socialists. Since at the time, social democrats were the majority in the left and they took the word socialism to mean social-democracy some people today use the word to mean that.
Er... the police and the military are not socialism: they are an OBLIGATION of the state. Public healthcare, free education, libraries, hospitals...that's socialism that, in the minds of many, serves to IMPROVE society. Does socialism lead to communism? It depends on who's in charge and how fast they want to move.
***** No. Law Enforcement and the Military are an OBLIGATION of the government. The government can chose to not fulfill their obligation, of course. But then crime goes wild and the enemy is at the gates. And the people will bitch about the government not doing anything about their OBLIGATIONS. But no one bitches about free university (unless you're an arts major fucktard) because its social impact is not that great if it's not provided. Get your head out of your ass, fucktard.
What an obligation is, is your opinion. You don't get to define what an obligation is. In my opinion, education, and healthcare are just as much as an obligation as the military
***** Fine. But if that healthcare system falls apart, and that education creates generations of morons, that will be your legacy and you can't run from it.
As a lifelong socialist and fledgling academic, I can assure you than the definition of the concept of 'socialism' is not 'the Government does some things and the private sector does other things'.
I cant believe this water buffalo is saying all this stuff like he knows what hes talking about. I mean this water buffalo is literally just throwing random words at this guy they had to cut off because he was too right.
Cenk said nothing about the Armenian genocide in this video. The commentator asking him a question did, but that's completely irrelevant to Cenk. It's even earlier than the Holocaust (1916), and I don't think it's fair to point the finger at a German person and hold them accountable directly. It is fair to the extent that they acknowledge and have studied the issue, and understand it, and have made an opinion on their own history imo.
Cenk has routinely denied that it took place and his program is named "The Young Turks" which was the political movement that committed the killings. It's equivalent to having a show called "The National Socialists".
Imagine a German guy making show called "The Third Reich" with a Jewish co-host(reminder: Ana Kasparian is Armenian). That's what "The Young Turks" is. It's all about the name, which is associated with genocide, he knows it and still uses this name.
Misha Gelenava That's not what "The young turks" means. Google: Young Turk noun: Young Turk; plural noun: Young Turks a member of a revolutionary party in the Ottoman Empire who carried out the revolution of 1908 and deposed the sultan Abdul Hamid II. a young person eager for radical change to the established order. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks BUT I don't know because I haven't read enough about it.. but I will read more about it later.
His definition of socialism is upside down. Socialism is when the collective owns the means of production. Communism is when the government does. In either case, it is not a combination of the government programs and private corporations. The systematic ownership of private enterprise is the very definition of capitalism. The world is by default capitalistic now, just in various shades. There are hardly any socialistic countries left and Scandinavia/Western Europe is hardly so. Even if Bernie insists or not. The reason Bernie insists on this is because he remembers Western Europe and Scandinavia of the 70s - when they were much more closely aligned with the USSR than they are with Russia today. Sweden used to be socialistic in the 70s. The government produced the cars. Most people worked in government run enterprises and there was very little private industries. Sweden of today is one of the most capitalistic countries in Europe. Fact that he gets this wrong makes me assume that he is either uninformed or disingenuous and tries to just push Bernie's agenda.
"So what we have in China right now is actually just capitalism on steroids" I vomited over the fact that he actually said that with a straight face, unironically
Has Cenk actually ever denied that it happened? Everyone says he's denied it but I've found no evidence of it. Also the reason he decides not to mention anything about it is obviously because there's more relevant things to discuss here that could help the American people from this generation and generations to come.
From MrLeerMeister's post above here. Cenk's article in the U of P newspaper: dparchives.library.upenn.edu/cgi-bin/pennsylvania?a=d&d=tdp19911122-01.2.24
there was not enough time, the black lady interrupted saying there is a new called. besides that called is a troll. How in hell is that relevant to the main topic of socialism, and the economy to something that happened more than a century ago. They just want to destroy their marketing name
Cenk thinks socialism DOESN'T lead to communism? Vladamir Lenin would disagree! :) Also, NO just because the US has some government programs that aren't privately own means fuck all. The US constitution already says what the role of government is, including police forces and the military. (100 years before anyone ever even knew who Marx was) Everything the government does in addition to that, is superfluous, unless it can be reconciled with the rest of the document. (I admit to lifting from Steven Crowder) Cenk thinking that ANY program being affiliated with the US government makes the US a "socialist" country!? It isn't, it is a constitutional representative republic: it was never designed to be a socialist democracy. Cenk, please reeducate yourself on what socialism actually is. It doesn't fight for equality of opportunity, it is designed for equality of outcome. You don't have to be a socialist, to be for free and fair elections. That is nothing more than divide and conquer politics
Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production and property with equal distribution to all. Democratic Socialism is when its under the control of elected leaders. Communism is when its under the control of the Communist Party. Libertarian Socialism is when its not under a governing body or when its a pure direct democracy.
It's not the truth, and you're letting Cenk take advantage of your ignorance. Socialism is an economic model that is completely incompatible with capitalism. Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange. Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange. Therefore, we are unequivocally not socialist but capitalist.
Ddstairclimber Whether a standing army is paid by the public or not does not define the economic model of a nation. Perhaps you should return to first grade?
I gotta agree here, a military and police force does not make a country socialist. Its just makes it a country. Besides the swedes or swiss, name a single nation of any economic model that hasnt had a military. Its just called having a government
1:15 Military is not socialist. It is a function of government under capitalism. It is for protecting rights, not violating them, which is what socialism is.
What's wrong about this answer? The man didn't ask a question, he just said two things that were completely irrelevant towards each other, Cenk talked about what was more relevant to the the U.S elections.
Talking about the Armenian Genocide is against the interests of the government, and thus the the media. The fact that our relationship with Turkey is built upon a lie is disgusting. We, as a nation, are forced into bowing down to this idea that what was done to the Armenians was less than a genocide, all because Turkey is in NATO and is a valuable military ally, as they are our intermediary between Russia and the Middle East. It sickens me that our interventionism has cost us basic human values like this. We need to, officially as a nation, admit that the Armenian Genocide happened, that it was a genocide, and that Turkey's actions were gross violations of human rights. Turkey can do whatever it wants in response. If it wants to pull out of NATO and tell our troops in their country to take a hike, I don't care. I want honesty from our country, not propaganda.
You guys realize the modern definition of a Young Turk is a rebellious individual. The names the show after that definition along with the fact it was originally a liberal rebellion against the Ottoman Empire. The Armenian Genocide was also conducted by a group known as the 3 Pashas who were a splinter group of the Young Turks who at the time had absolute control of the Ottoman Empire. The Young Turks themselves didn't commit the genocide the 3 Pashas did.
"Today, I rescind the statements I made in my Daily Pennsylvanian article from 1991 entitled, “Historical Fact of Falsehood? When I wrote that piece, I was a 21 year-old kid, who had a lot of opinions that I have since changed. Back then I had many political positions that were not well researched. For example, back in those days I held a pro-war rally for the Persian Gulf War. Anyone who knows me now knows that I am a very different person today. I also rescind the statements I made in a letter to the editor I wrote in 1999 on the same issue. Back then I had a very different perspective and there were many things that I did not give due weight. On this issue, I should have been far, far more respectful of so many people who had lost family members. Their pain is heart-wrenching and should be acknowledged by all." - Cenk Uyger
I am a Black Armenian Marxist aka Revolutionary Socialist aka Communist. Humanity needs a Socialist/Communist revolution. Reading Karl Marx (or Rosa Luxembourg, or Danny Katch, or Angela Davis), can tell us a lot about this process.
Quote from Vladimir Lenin;"The end goal of socialism is communism!" Karl Marx;"Democracy inevitability leads to socialism." De Tocqueville;" a democratic government is the only government where the people can vote for taxes and avoid the obligation to pay it." We're making the walk.
How to make the most politically incoherent argument known to humanity 1. Define socialism as mixed economy theory. 2. Falsely say the the US has a mixed economy and is therefore socialist when it doesn't and isn't. 3. Declare any and all state-owned industry socialist, just to make the previous two steps extra wrong. 4. Declare all of Western Europe socialist just to make sure your wrongness is extra broad. 5. Say communism can't lead to Marxism because it can't work in the first place so that neither of those words have meaning anymore. 6. Equate "super liberal" to "communist" so that both words mean extra nothing. 7. Human Nature Argument Against Communism Always Gets The Ahistorical Liberals Drooling. 8. Make sure everyone knows you have no idea what causes dictatorship and you extra have no idea who Stalin is or what USSR history is. 9. Say that China claims to be communism, despite China always having called itself socialist, and then say it's capitalism on steroids, while still positioning the US as socialist in comparison because reasons. The depressing thing about all this incoherence and total inability to give words meaning is that I've heard every bit of it before spouted by propaganda-chugging liberals I've just never heard it all at once like this and it made me feel ill.
As a gay Muslim I am happy that Cenk stands up to racism and Islamophobia. When my parents kicked me out of the house when I came out my best friend and his girlfriend let me live at their apartment. One thing I did not know about him that he feels resentment to people like Cenk who he says deny the genocide of the Christian Armenians by a group called the Young Turks about 100 years ago since his ancestors narrowly escaped getting killed by this but many his relatives did not. Is there any books on this? Does Cenk deny this genocide?
Cenk was describing social democracy, not socialism. Why do so many Americans get the two mixed up? HAVING SOME GOVERNMENT RUN PROGRAMMES DOES NOT EQUAL SOCIALISM!
sourcescience Who cares that he didn't and this he ignored the guys question. And the lady because she knew it was getting ugly and wanted to be nice to her guest he should be forced to answer with all his grandstanding he does he is a dickhead
How the heck are popular brands like Coce and Nike private companies? Coke trades on NYSE. Thank God I can teach myself and doubt what schools teach now a days.
cenk actually addressed this issue in one of the earlier post games (private shows) of TYT saying that he was a denier of the armenian genocide back in college (at penn) and actually wrote an article about that in the university's magazine , then he went on to describe his opinion back then as ignorant, biased and caused by being raised in a turkish culture and hearing only one side of the issue , so i think the reason he didn't want to address this issue here (IMHO) is he thought it would distract from the main topic they were discussing (bernie sanders and the elections ) and not that he wanted to brush it aside or anything .
LOL he has a smug face when the car starts but right when the Armenian Genocide is brought up his face goes from a smirk to Stone Cold in a fraction of a second.
He brags that we have socialism in this country. Yes, quite a few of us have noticed that Cenk, and it's not working out too well financially, in case you haven't noticed.
I’m part Armenian... I don’t speak the language, I was born and in raised New York and I’m half Irish. I pretty much agree with everything they say about American politics. Just one thing... Why would you name your network THE YOUNG TURKS? Aren’t they the group that started the rounding up of Armenians? I’m so god damn American I didn’t know that at first. How could you not think it was in not in poor taste to call yourselves that? If you called yourself something else I’d be in complete agreement with your take on the whole thing.
What about the genocide of the native americans? Turks may or may not have committed the armenian genocide but what about the 3 continents that were taken by the europeans? 100 millions people lived in the Americas when the Europeans discovered these continents. I really wonder what the Americans think about this issue.
He even was stupid in the way he described Socialism. It is intellectually bankrupt to state that all government institutions and their implementation is inherently socialist. That's like saying you're either a socialist or an anarchist.
samuel lopes because ... he has talked about it enough ... Kerman atturk founder of modern day turkey and a YOUNG TURK.. persecuted the ones who ordered the genocide ...
he thought the progressives want “equality of oppurtunity” thats one of the most defining things of capitilism and last time i checked progressives arent capitilist
Socialism is the government production of goods, ussr, the union of soviet SOCIALIST republics, wasn’t communist but socialist. Communism truly has never been done before because it’s literally impossible to implement without socialism, and once you have socialism the few at the top with all the power aren’t just gonna give it all up.
It is my honor to make this comment here. Cenk denies the Armenian genocide. Now bow down and know your role and like this comment.
No, he denied it 20 years. Now go get a life
+Spoder Man The name of the show is still "The Young Turks".
The Persian Atheist I don't like TYT at all, just saying people need to give the Armenian Genocide a fucking break
+The Persian Atheist So? Every nation and culture has done terrible things. He is Turkish and its his show. Should we take out the sunday comic about Vikings? Any show with Brits or Germany in it? Or maybe you are Armenian and, understandable, dont like the Turkish people. Which sadly, makes you racist.
If I start a show called The Brown Shirts would you consider it racist or proud heritage?
Is it just me or did he completely avoid the whole Armenian genocide thing???
I think that was the point.
Talk for as long as possible and hope that the audience has forgotten the part of the question that you would rather not address
Yep straw man fallacy.
It's TV, you have a very short time, and the protocol is to ask a single question. That's not what happened.
His display of agility belies his vast bulk in the way he deftly avoided that question.
I don't think Cenk knows what socialism is.
Hurr Durr socialism made der military ignore that it's an economic ideology
I cant stand tyt but he is actually right about about socialism.
Americans for some reason think socialism = no free market
Bennett McCoy its doesnt, it means state ownership of infrastructure,
It really doesnt pole its nose too much into industry or the free market.
If it does interfere in industry it would be to keep a company afloat because its a large employer or something.
And infastructure is much much better in government hands than it is in private hands.
Privatisation of national assets is a sin
Bennett McCoy Or ireland, i know that one from experience.
Ireland is uber capitalist now, if i thought capitalism was better i would be argueing the case for it.
But i'm not, and do you know wht? because capitalism isnt better than socialism.
Wasnt socialism that was responsible for the 2008 crash and all the hardships that brought.
Know what debt slavery is?
Bennett McCoy I'm ok with fianna fail, better than them gobshites in fianna gael.
Wow, Cenk's interpretation of Socialism is incredibly wrong...
he is a fucking moron
+Proud Hunting American ^^^
He is wrong about everything his brain doesn't work or does to the degree that he thinks he's pulling over one on people
your both kinda right, state socialism is the believe that the government should own all the industries and means of production, while most progressives, including cenk, believe in democratic socialism, which is a captialist system with checks and balances to prevent gross profits for the elite while the country needs some sort of assistance from the government.
he is left wing funded by george soros. this guy knows his stuff but he is actively misleading the viewers.
He apparently doesn't know what socialism is.
stay in school
Socialist K-12 public educations has failed you.
Alec & Nick are correct. socialism is when the government owns the means of production, that is not what we have here in America, instead what we have is private ownership of the production. we do however have *socially* funded programs. but we are not *'socialists'*. stop trying to confuse the kid. there is already enough misinformation out there as it is...
sumlatinkid we are a mixed economy ...
6th largest power producer in the us is TVA .. federally owned ...
0:20 the goal of socialism is communism - Vladamir Lenin
and apparently coca cola is an example of socialism
Isaiah118 is a rapist- me, see i can quote things that are fake too, unless it's real
+jonathan murguia Lenin did say that though.
+Joel Rayburn and I too said that, anyone can make up things...
"Joel Rayburn is a wife beater.." -me
See what i just did? Just because you say doesnt mean its true, i thought that was obvious but apparently not.
Thats like when trump says he has a big dick, you can take his word but his word isnt worth shit considering all his lies..
Western Europe is not socialism. Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production. That's social-democracy. There isn't public ownership of the means of production. There is mostly private ownership of the means of production.
LOL Cenk, according to Marx, socialism is a step towards the end goal of communism
There's socialism outside of Marx too....
becoming a paralegal is a step to becoming a lawyer, but not all paralegal's become lawyers
It's closer to commuism but it's stupid to say that one leads to another. It's like saying the following: Capitalism is a step towards anarchy... Just stop with the feaR MONGERING
You_Go_Down the founder of the ideology said that, not coming out of nowhere. Cenk said socialism has nothing to do with communism
Marx did not invent socialism. I find it interesting that you put so much faith in the words of a communist though.
His definition of socialism is the opposite of socialism.
Socialism is the state ownership of the means of production(farms, factories, businesses)
The govt owning Coka-Cola would be socialism. The private sector owning Coka-Cola is capitalism.
-Professor of Economics
so which socialist theorist stated that "Socialism is the state ownership of the means of production"
I like how Cenk completely avoided the comment about how he named his group "The Young Turks." I don't mind TYT or the views shared on his channel, but the fact he won't openly comment on that is disgusting. The Young Turks took control and reformed the Ottoman Empire in 1908, and oversaw and implemented the Armenian Genocide (1915-1917). The Nazis took control of Germany in 1933 and oversaw The Jewish Holocaust during WWII. It's essentially a German-American citizen naming his political talk show TH-cam Channel "The National Socialist Germans" AKA Nazis. Except the German people actually admit in their history that Nazi Germany perpetrated the genocide of Jews. The Turkish government to this day denies a genocide ever took place. Can you imagine something more insulting to the people who survived the genocide or their ancestors? By openly denying their suffering on ethnicity alone actually never happened...
Because it a retarded question that has been answered a million times.
the hypocrite makes a million videos about how the redskins name should be changed, yet thinks it's completely okay for him to name his online "news" show after a party responsible for exterminating the entire non-muslim (armenian, assyrian, greek) population off of anatolia, lol.
The Young Turks movement was actually an anti-monarchist social movement. Some of its founding members would later commit the genocide, because the movement split in half.
+Anthony Serocco please just read The Young Turk Revolution (July 1908) of the Ottoman Empire was the restoration of the Ottoman constitution of 1876 and ushering a multi-party politics in two stage electoral system (electoral law) under the Ottoman parliament by the Young Turks movement. More than 3 decades earlier, Sultan Abdul Hamid II had in 1876 established the constitutional monarchy, First Constitutional Era, which only lasted for two years before it was suspended. On 24 July 1908, Sultan Abdul Hamid II capitulated and announced the restoration of Constitution, which established the Second Constitutional Era. This people no trust at all
Cent is a piece of shit, propaganda whore for the elites in Washington
That's not socialism
bottom line is any program that citizen's all pay the same amount of tax on (fire fighters, cops, hospitals..) is by default a socialist idea.
cokerockstop2 No it isnt. The legitimate role of government is to protect the rights, freedoms and safety of the public. Fire fighters and cops are there to protect the citizens so are not part of socialism. A nationalised health service is socialism.
Michael Hart yes, but when we all are forced to pay for those services through tax. That right there is the very idea of socialism.
cokerockstop2 No, that's not socialism. Socialism is when the government regulates the production and distribution of goods. Under capitalism that is done by private businesses when it does not directly relate to national security because that's the point of the government according to the constitution.
In short you're wrong, the police and the army has nothing to do with socialism.
cokerockstop2 here, try this www.jacobinmag.com/2016/01/democratic-socialism-government-bernie-sanders-primary-president/
I'm Armenian and I don't feel Turkish people should be forced to give their opinion of the genocide, but I do for Cenk since he named his network after the perpetrators.
sorry i am arabian here, but wasnt it the ottoman empire that caused the genocide ?
a a yes but the young turks ended the ottoman empire
the co host..ana kasparian being an amernian herself..make it more awkward
Ana is Kazakh
she is a total disgrace to the Armenian people. We completely disprove of her decision.
DereMemo Lol. Stupid genocidal egomaniac Turk losers.
Of course not all Turks. Simply those who hate on those seeking acknowledgement of the truth...
John K That bimbo should be grabbed by the p from TRump. :p
Dr Ahmet
www.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/world/europe/armenian-genocide-turkey.html
What do you expect? Even if the Turkish government still has documents on the genocide that haven't been burnt yet, why on god's earth would they release them?
Also, if there really was no genocide, then what the fuck? What is this huge global conspiracy to forge evidence and thousands of eye witnesses? What does everyone have against Turkey?
I fucking hate Turk nationalists. Denial/Justification of genocide, denial/Justification of human rights abuses against Kurds. Then they wonder why we won't let their backwards shithole into the EU. They also like to threaten us with two million refugees if we don't give free visas to Turkroaches, and for those roaches to 'Have five children, not two' and that 'They are the future of Europe'. I would rather take in a billion refugees before I take in one more Turkroach (When I say Turkroach, I mean the nationalist ones who deny genocide and hate Kurds, not just regular Turks or good Turks, they're grand and I don't mind having them in Europe).
tyt is like a white person from the south calling his show the black slave owners.
If Serj Tankian saw this guy in person he would beat the shit out of him. Every guy from System of a Down for that matter.
mmzen Yeah he seems like a nice guy. But the armenian genocide is extremely important to him so you never know. They should interview on TYT, so he can school this fucker on the subject.
fiscer247 Serj and the members of SOAD are non-violent, but I'm sure they'll make exceptions for this fat fuck. :D
serj and the rest of soadwould own this shit head
They would’ve just dissed him with a song.
Daron would’ve spazzed the fuck out lol
No Cenk, Medicare and Social Security are bigger than the military budget. And no, Coca Cola and gov't run programs are not an example of socialism, that's a mixed economy. That's like saying herpes and brain tumors are a type of cancer. You don't just get to lump in non socialist things with socialist things and say its all socialism.
Did he seriously just say that socialism doesn't lead to communism? It completely does, that's how it gets fucking started. Holy shit, my brain hurts.
Crayola Candy explain.....
Only a Marxist-Leninist interpretation of socialism claims to lead to communism. Communism is impossible to achieve anyways.
No, idea of socialism is much older than idea of communism, and this that socialism leads to communism is marxist idea.
Except that Cenk is being dishonest even on Socialism. Socialism is the government owning the means of production. That is not what we in the states or in europe have. The means of production are owned privately. Meaning private property rights are observed rather than a property of the commons. The Norwegians PM tired of Americans trying to portray Norway as a socialist bastion was angered by the comparison and clearly explained that they are capitalist with social safety nets. Social safety nets =/= socialism
AJ Iggy he is being disingenuous about socialism we have socialistic policies and a market economy once we stop using capitalist vs communist and calling it what we actually are instead of creating polar extreme opposites we will be able to have a real discussion about economic and social programs in this country
***** Socialism is defined as the means of production in the hands of the people... Get your definitions strait, I've read the books on Socialism, and Marx, and Capitalism. Maybe you should before you post dumb shit like this! Any power whether it is government or a group of people that take by force the product of labor from an individual for the commons is in practice no different from each other in the end government whether by representation or direct rule is no different than individuals whom share a commons in their use of force over another. In the end any one that uses force to prevent any individual from acting in his or her own self interest as long as that individuals is not doing the same to others is in no way different from government. It is not different with the a Mafia or Socialism. If I as an individual cannot fully own the product of my labor due to interference from another that other is by practice no different from government
You did not read the comment Socialism cannot exist without force not because government is required but because if I chose to privately own the means of my production it would turn socialism into government force. If I chose to privately own the means of production then that would mean that socialism is not effective. If others commit to using force to stop me they then become government since government is people with guns deciding through force or threats of force what others can do with their means of production. In other words It ends up as government or does not exist unless everyone agrees to follow the rule voluntarily. The later would not occur.
I agree more with the definition of nefariousFOX. At its core, socialism aims ultimately at the end of the private ownership of the means of production. The thing is that, historically the social-democrats by the end of IX century and onwards called themselves socialists. That is why, to differentiate themselves, people like Lenin and trotsky started calling themselves communists, even though the society they were trying to build in the USSR should actually be called socialist, by marx definition, because it was a transitional society.
Social-Democracy is a marxist revisionism, and since they defend the reformation of capitalism, that is why some people refer to capitalist social-democratic governments as socialists. Since at the time, social democrats were the majority in the left and they took the word socialism to mean social-democracy some people today use the word to mean that.
Completely ignored the question of Armenian Genocide.
Because its a bullshit
it was obvious when he COMPLETELY DUCKED out on the comment.
Er... the police and the military are not socialism: they are an OBLIGATION of the state.
Public healthcare, free education, libraries, hospitals...that's socialism that, in the minds of many, serves to IMPROVE society. Does socialism lead to communism? It depends on who's in charge and how fast they want to move.
***** No. Law Enforcement and the Military are an OBLIGATION of the government. The government can chose to not fulfill their obligation, of course. But then crime goes wild and the enemy is at the gates. And the people will bitch about the government not doing anything about their OBLIGATIONS. But no one bitches about free university (unless you're an arts major fucktard) because its social impact is not that great if it's not provided.
Get your head out of your ass, fucktard.
***** And Medicade is? Social Security is? Unemployment Insurance is?
Nice talking to you, mental case.
What an obligation is, is your opinion. You don't get to define what an obligation is. In my opinion, education, and healthcare are just as much as an obligation as the military
***** Fine. But if that healthcare system falls apart, and that education creates generations of morons, that will be your legacy and you can't run from it.
Bear Mare How can a better education system create a generation of morons? Don't know where your coming from here my friend
the wild buffalo somehow dodges the massive elephant in the room...
As a lifelong socialist and fledgling academic, I can assure you than the definition of the concept of 'socialism' is not 'the Government does some things and the private sector does other things'.
I cant believe this water buffalo is saying all this stuff like he knows what hes talking about. I mean this water buffalo is literally just throwing random words at this guy they had to cut off because he was too right.
Come on dude! I had to listen to Cenk for 2:40 minutes before I realized that he skips the question!
"The goal of socialism is communism" ~Vladimir Lenin
Cenk said nothing about the Armenian genocide in this video. The commentator asking him a question did, but that's completely irrelevant to Cenk. It's even earlier than the Holocaust (1916), and I don't think it's fair to point the finger at a German person and hold them accountable directly. It is fair to the extent that they acknowledge and have studied the issue, and understand it, and have made an opinion on their own history imo.
oliverupload right but he's telling him that because he named his show after murderers plus he denied that the genocide even took place he's a douche
Cenk has routinely denied that it took place and his program is named "The Young Turks" which was the political movement that committed the killings. It's equivalent to having a show called "The National Socialists".
Imagine a German guy making show called "The Third Reich" with a Jewish co-host(reminder: Ana Kasparian is Armenian). That's what "The Young Turks" is. It's all about the name, which is associated with genocide, he knows it and still uses this name.
Misha Gelenava That's not what "The young turks" means.
Google: Young Turk
noun: Young Turk; plural noun: Young Turks
a member of a revolutionary party in the Ottoman Empire who carried out the revolution of 1908 and deposed the sultan Abdul Hamid II.
a young person eager for radical change to the established order.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks
BUT I don't know because I haven't read enough about it.. but I will read more about it later.
His definition of socialism is upside down. Socialism is when the collective owns the means of production. Communism is when the government does. In either case, it is not a combination of the government programs and private corporations. The systematic ownership of private enterprise is the very definition of capitalism. The world is by default capitalistic now, just in various shades. There are hardly any socialistic countries left and Scandinavia/Western Europe is hardly so. Even if Bernie insists or not.
The reason Bernie insists on this is because he remembers Western Europe and Scandinavia of the 70s - when they were much more closely aligned with the USSR than they are with Russia today. Sweden used to be socialistic in the 70s. The government produced the cars. Most people worked in government run enterprises and there was very little private industries.
Sweden of today is one of the most capitalistic countries in Europe.
Fact that he gets this wrong makes me assume that he is either uninformed or disingenuous and tries to just push Bernie's agenda.
EXACTLY
Wow, this guy doesn’t know anything about socialism. But he was right about communism, but there is no such thing as “that’s not real communism”.
Armenia>Turkey
Algeria>France
Turkey>France
Ahmet terrorist
"So what we have in China right now is actually just capitalism on steroids"
I vomited over the fact that he actually said that with a straight face, unironically
It just shows that he's INSANE, especially now.
Has Cenk actually ever denied that it happened? Everyone says he's denied it but I've found no evidence of it. Also the reason he decides not to mention anything about it is obviously because there's more relevant things to discuss here that could help the American people from this generation and generations to come.
From MrLeerMeister's post above here. Cenk's article in the U of P newspaper: dparchives.library.upenn.edu/cgi-bin/pennsylvania?a=d&d=tdp19911122-01.2.24
there was not enough time, the black lady interrupted saying there is a new called. besides that called is a troll. How in hell is that relevant to the main topic of socialism, and the economy to something that happened more than a century ago. They just want to destroy their marketing name
+Kelly Smith They didn't even ask him about it.
It is literally the name of his show, so why won't he discuss it?
He skipped over the Armenian Genocide thing even though it genuinely happened
Cenk thinks socialism DOESN'T lead to communism? Vladamir Lenin would disagree! :) Also, NO just because the US has some government programs that aren't privately own means fuck all. The US constitution already says what the role of government is, including police forces and the military. (100 years before anyone ever even knew who Marx was) Everything the government does in addition to that, is superfluous, unless it can be reconciled with the rest of the document. (I admit to lifting from Steven Crowder) Cenk thinking that ANY program being affiliated with the US government makes the US a "socialist" country!? It isn't, it is a constitutional representative republic: it was never designed to be a socialist democracy. Cenk, please reeducate yourself on what socialism actually is. It doesn't fight for equality of opportunity, it is designed for equality of outcome. You don't have to be a socialist, to be for free and fair elections. That is nothing more than divide and conquer politics
I agree with him on his take on socialism to a certain degree but he completely dodged the Armenian Genocide question
What about Venezuela, Cenk?
all I'm saying is we have never seen cenk and Hilary clinton in the same roon
Doesn't even TOUCH the Armenian Genocide question, with a little help from the host. Hmmm....
Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production and property with equal distribution to all.
Democratic Socialism is when its under the control of elected leaders.
Communism is when its under the control of the Communist Party.
Libertarian Socialism is when its not under a governing body or when its a pure direct democracy.
No no no the military does not have anything in common with socialism
don't want to accept the truth eh
It's not the truth, and you're letting Cenk take advantage of your ignorance. Socialism is an economic model that is completely incompatible with capitalism. Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange. Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange. Therefore, we are unequivocally not socialist but capitalist.
Of course it is, is the military private? of course not it is a form socialism, how is it not?? go back to first grade
Ddstairclimber Whether a standing army is paid by the public or not does not define the economic model of a nation. Perhaps you should return to first grade?
I gotta agree here, a military and police force does not make a country socialist. Its just makes it a country. Besides the swedes or swiss, name a single nation of any economic model that hasnt had a military. Its just called having a government
Cenks face when the caller brought up the genocide is fucking gold.
We Don't have socialism
Correct, we have welfare capitalism.
That was painful. Having a military doesn't make you socialist.
Did this man just call the U.S and Western Europe socialist?
1:15 Military is not socialist. It is a function of government under capitalism. It is for protecting rights, not violating them, which is what socialism is.
All I have to do is google "socialism definition" to realize that Cenk is full of it.
Why is the host cutting down the phonecaller at 0:39 ??
I wish he would address the genocide. I got booted from twitter last night for calling him out about being a Genocide Denier.
He literally skipped the most important part
He completely avoided the Armenian genocide topic
Never once does he talk about the Armenian genocide, nor is he really questioned about it.
Wtf is this guys definition of socialism? ''the private sector does some things, the government does some things''
He completely avoids the question about the slaughter of 1 million Christians by "the young turks"
What's wrong about this answer? The man didn't ask a question, he just said two things that were completely irrelevant towards each other, Cenk talked about what was more relevant to the the U.S elections.
Talking about the Armenian Genocide is against the interests of the government, and thus the the media.
The fact that our relationship with Turkey is built upon a lie is disgusting. We, as a nation, are forced into bowing down to this idea that what was done to the Armenians was less than a genocide, all because Turkey is in NATO and is a valuable military ally, as they are our intermediary between Russia and the Middle East. It sickens me that our interventionism has cost us basic human values like this.
We need to, officially as a nation, admit that the Armenian Genocide happened, that it was a genocide, and that Turkey's actions were gross violations of human rights. Turkey can do whatever it wants in response. If it wants to pull out of NATO and tell our troops in their country to take a hike, I don't care. I want honesty from our country, not propaganda.
You guys realize the modern definition of a Young Turk is a rebellious individual. The names the show after that definition along with the fact it was originally a liberal rebellion against the Ottoman Empire.
The Armenian Genocide was also conducted by a group known as the 3 Pashas who were a splinter group of the Young Turks who at the time had absolute control of the Ottoman Empire. The Young Turks themselves didn't commit the genocide the 3 Pashas did.
Why are people saying he doesn't believe in the Armenian Genocide? Never once did he say that here.
He was on the show to talk about the progressive movement, not to talk about that. Yes, he does acknowledge the Armenian genocide.
"Today, I rescind the statements I made in my Daily Pennsylvanian article from 1991 entitled, “Historical Fact of Falsehood? When I wrote that piece, I was a 21 year-old kid, who had a lot of opinions that I have since changed. Back then I had many political positions that were not well researched. For example, back in those days I held a pro-war rally for the Persian Gulf War. Anyone who knows me now knows that I am a very different person today.
I also rescind the statements I made in a letter to the editor I wrote in 1999 on the same issue. Back then I had a very different perspective and there were many things that I did not give due weight. On this issue, I should have been far, far more respectful of so many people who had lost family members. Their pain is heart-wrenching and should be acknowledged by all." - Cenk Uyger
> Still called young Turks
1:11 The military isn't the largest gov't program ($664 billion). The welfare state is ($1.3 trillion).
I am a Black Armenian Marxist aka Revolutionary Socialist aka Communist. Humanity needs a Socialist/Communist revolution. Reading Karl Marx (or Rosa Luxembourg, or Danny Katch, or Angela Davis), can tell us a lot about this process.
Genk won't comment on the Armenian genocide, but does that really surprise anyone?
Quote from Vladimir Lenin;"The end goal of socialism is communism!" Karl Marx;"Democracy inevitability leads to socialism." De Tocqueville;" a democratic government is the only government where the people can vote for taxes and avoid the obligation to pay it." We're making the walk.
Imagine a german person starting a show called NSDAP.
That is literally what Cenk Yogurt is doing, its SICK that everyone's cool with that.
Lenin literally said "Socialism is the slow road to Communism" and no Chank the military is not socialist.
Cenk wasn't asked about the Armenian genocide in this video.
I think people are confusing "socialism" and "social programs"...
How to make the most politically incoherent argument known to humanity
1. Define socialism as mixed economy theory.
2. Falsely say the the US has a mixed economy and is therefore socialist when it doesn't and isn't.
3. Declare any and all state-owned industry socialist, just to make the previous two steps extra wrong.
4. Declare all of Western Europe socialist just to make sure your wrongness is extra broad.
5. Say communism can't lead to Marxism because it can't work in the first place so that neither of those words have meaning anymore.
6. Equate "super liberal" to "communist" so that both words mean extra nothing.
7. Human Nature Argument Against Communism Always Gets The Ahistorical Liberals Drooling.
8. Make sure everyone knows you have no idea what causes dictatorship and you extra have no idea who Stalin is or what USSR history is.
9. Say that China claims to be communism, despite China always having called itself socialist, and then say it's capitalism on steroids, while still positioning the US as socialist in comparison because reasons.
The depressing thing about all this incoherence and total inability to give words meaning is that I've heard every bit of it before spouted by propaganda-chugging liberals I've just never heard it all at once like this and it made me feel ill.
He doesn't even explain why socialism doesn't lead to communism, he just gives a definition, then says it doesn't even lead to communism, wtf?
As a gay Muslim I am happy that Cenk stands up to racism and Islamophobia. When my parents kicked me out of the house when I came out my best friend and his girlfriend let me live at their apartment. One thing I did not know about him that he feels resentment to people like Cenk who he says deny the genocide of the Christian Armenians by a group called the Young Turks about 100 years ago since his ancestors narrowly escaped getting killed by this but many his relatives did not. Is there any books on this? Does Cenk deny this genocide?
Cenk was describing social democracy, not socialism. Why do so many Americans get the two mixed up? HAVING SOME GOVERNMENT RUN PROGRAMMES DOES NOT EQUAL SOCIALISM!
I don't like Cenk at all but he didn't deny the Armenian Genocide here.
***** That is not the same as denying it.
Cenk is enough of a tool anyway. There;s no need to concoct scandal and outrage.
***** That may or may not be true, but in this video he does not.
MahDeerHunter Yes, he may or may not have done but that is irrelevant. The fact is that in this video he did not.
***** No it isn't, and even if it was, that does not happen in this video.
He didn't acknowledge the Holocaust in this video. Is he denying that too?
sourcescience Who cares that he didn't and this he ignored the guys question. And the lady because she knew it was getting ugly and wanted to be nice to her guest he should be forced to answer with all his grandstanding he does he is a dickhead
How the heck are popular brands like Coce and Nike private companies? Coke trades on NYSE. Thank God I can teach myself and doubt what schools teach now a days.
Far more entertaining watching Alex Jones troll Cenk, seeing him lose it
He’s right about equality of opportunity, but he’s for the party that advocates for equality of outcome
cenk actually addressed this issue in one of the earlier post games (private shows) of TYT saying that he was a denier of the armenian genocide back in college (at penn) and actually wrote an article about that in the university's magazine , then he went on to describe his opinion back then as ignorant, biased and caused by being raised in a turkish culture and hearing only one side of the issue , so i think the reason he didn't want to address this issue here (IMHO) is he thought it would distract from the main topic they were discussing (bernie sanders and the elections ) and not that he wanted to brush it aside or anything .
This should be renamed "Cenk Uygur doesn't understand Socialism"
LOL he has a smug face when the car starts but right when the Armenian Genocide is brought up his face goes from a smirk to Stone Cold in a fraction of a second.
He brags that we have socialism in this country. Yes, quite a few of us have noticed that Cenk, and it's not working out too well financially, in case you haven't noticed.
I’m part Armenian... I don’t speak the language, I was born and in raised New York and I’m half Irish. I pretty much agree with everything they say about American politics. Just one thing... Why would you name your network THE YOUNG TURKS? Aren’t they the group that started the rounding up of Armenians? I’m so god damn American I didn’t know that at first. How could you not think it was in not in poor taste to call yourselves that? If you called yourself something else I’d be in complete agreement with your take on the whole thing.
Hearing Cenk try to explain what Socialism is makes me want to fucking die.
Lol they say "socialism leads to communism" as if that's a bad thing...
Harry Strong It is you idiot
Socialism: A transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.
If you redefine the definition of socialism, anything can be socialism. Having a military or government programs isn't socialism.
Listen to the whole video and then listen to the first word Cenk says... 0:00
and Cenk still didnt address the Armenian Genocide that has the exact same name as his show...
Does Cenk not understand the definition of Socialism? Websters literally defines it as the transitional state between capitalism and communism.
This title is such clickbait, he wasn't even asked about the Armenian genocide, it was more of an attempt by the caller to discredit Uygur.
What about the genocide of the native americans? Turks may or may not have committed the armenian genocide but what about the 3 continents that were taken by the europeans? 100 millions people lived in the Americas when the Europeans discovered these continents. I really wonder what the Americans think about this issue.
He had no clue what the definition of socialism is, both Cenk and the caller. Sad, but hilarious that he said the US is essentially socialism.
He even was stupid in the way he described Socialism. It is intellectually bankrupt to state that all government institutions and their implementation is inherently socialist. That's like saying you're either a socialist or an anarchist.
And the "Armenian Genocide" was mentioned not even once.
Notice how he dodges all significant questions and pertinent facts
The US is not socialist! We are a market based economy.
whats the difference between a turkey sandwich and a ham sandwich, a ham sandwich doesn't deny the Armenian genocide
“Socialism is when the govermnent does some stuff and private industry does some stuff”. It is hard to even comment that, really.
Why does he randomly throw in "we want free and fair elections" at the end? It had nothing to do with the question or his answer.
he completely dodged the genocide question
samuel lopes because ... he has talked about it enough ...
Kerman atturk founder of modern day turkey and a YOUNG TURK.. persecuted the ones who ordered the genocide ...
he thought the progressives want “equality of oppurtunity” thats one of the most defining things of capitilism and last time i checked progressives arent capitilist
Socialism is the government production of goods, ussr, the union of soviet SOCIALIST republics, wasn’t communist but socialist. Communism truly has never been done before because it’s literally impossible to implement without socialism, and once you have socialism the few at the top with all the power aren’t just gonna give it all up.
Synonyms for Socialism : leftism · welfarism · radicalism · progressivism ·
social democracy · communism · Marxism.