The snail knows what they are doing by putting this at Br 8.7. The 163 at BR 8.0 already is a struggle at it's BR. The variant at 8.7 is pure pain :( 3% off Gaijin Store store.gaijin.net/catalog.php?category=WarThunder&partner=IronArmenian&partner_val=u5g16ff2 and you get my decal too A good time to get some stuff with the Victory Day sales going on >:3
Remember when they had planned br changes to move the 8.0 one to 8.7 and the 8.7 to 9.3? wild, they either changed it to only apply to arcade or changed their mind after the playerbase threw a tissy fit though I think.
I would not say the 163 at 8.0 is suffering, it’s a great plane you just need to gain some altitude before engaging targets, I go to about 10km(mostly just to burn my fuel to 3 minutes so I become more maneuverable). Then I swoop down to enemy fighters and one tap them, my kd in it is just over 5. The fuel is also not really that big of an issue, at 30% thr you can stay above 700kmh at altitude and for some reason 1 minute of fuel will last for over 15 minutes with 30% thr.
Fun fact: The Soviet R-60 missile was first introduced in 1970. A whopping 25 years after the last Komet was produced. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
It uses the shitty radar gunsight to track targets, makes it pretty much useless in every scenario except a full commit head on, in which case you'll win 9 times out of 10 (rip the unlucky guy in the vid). Very funny to use since very few people expect it at 8.7
I always thought the Komet was basically a glorified cruise missile with a gun that if it was launched in the correct direction might be able to make one or two high-speed gun runs on a bomber formation before having to essentially return like a de-orbiting space shuttle. Watching it actually fly around and even attempt to dogfight is wild.
I think irl they burned most of the fuel to get to altitude extremely quickly for fast interception. They had to get above the bombers, and by they time they were there they were out of fuel. They'd glide down and use their speed to make some high-speed pass and then glide back to base.
Basically true, the Komet was estimated to have about 12 seconds to attempt to line up a shot, fire, and then hopefully survive. Due to its engine mixture, it basically was only 'safe' to fly straight up, and if all your fuel wasn't burnt, it was highly likely the seals would leak, mix, and dissolve the pilot. (A side effect of the specific fuel mixture was, yes, melting flesh rapidly--and then combusting on top of that.) Any remaining fuel that failed to ignite similarly would usually kill the pilot via melting them alive if it managed to land successfully. (a routine problem as the engines rarely cleaned themselves completely and the pilot was basically sitting in a bathtube made of flesh melting goo) that even a successful survivor (rare enough as it is, as the planes were notoriously easy to shoot down the moment their rocket fuel was expended, which in reality, was gone shortly after reaching the bombers) usually resulted in death anyway. The allies attempted one test flight, the german ground crews begging them not to, and refused to help until they got signed affadavits saying they were only showing them how to fly it under extreme duress and the vehicle was a 'deathtrap', after that one flight attempt, all further flights of the Komet were banned because, well, it was quite possibly the greatest weapon the Germans made to kill their own pilots. Scoring 9 kills to 10 lost (in combat), 4 lost on landing. (Wikipedia erroneously turns this to '19 kills and 14 losses and there are a few other reports) and on top of that, its training and test periods, it is estimated to have killed 50-60 pilots and far more aircraft of some of the most elite pilots left in Germany. Not to mention the dead ground crews due to the ever-present threat of the fuel, and the single Japanese copy which blew up and killed the pilot and the model during its one attempt to fly. On a side note, there was at least one komet directly sabotaged by the slave-labor force used to construct them, as the re-assembly of one model by the US found that a comet has a sharp metal spike with some choice words about their position in the Nazi regime was wedged against a fuel tank.
@@WereScrib appreciate the quite thorough explanation, that all sounds about right from having heard various little stories about it over the years. Definitely one of those cases where the idea was good in proving which way not to go. Also very curious just how fast acting these fuels are at turning the pilot to goop, sounds terrible. Also did not know about the one with the sabotaged tank. I've heard of the forced laborers doing poor work and intentionally damaging things and what-not, but fashioning a little implement to basically blow the thing up and/or dissolve the pilot is quite the middle finger indeed.
I think the main issue is the ki200 or whatever its called, japanese comet. Worse performance and guns which have broken HEF, so it feels like the sparks of yesteryear
It also has a tracking functionality using the ranging radar as an illuminator. Unfortunately gaijin is inept so the radar "locks" onto the missile as soon as it's launched then the missile fucks off into space. Still pretty pointless given the G limit but still another one of those gaijin fuck ups
@@Tien-Chi Same plane, just with different guns at whole 1.3br higher for some reason. I barely ever see even the standard one, nevermind seeing either those do well in battle.
Judging by the amount of Tiger 2s I have seen spawn next to my Leopard 2 A4, I think the BR is very much consistent, with how Late War Germany is apparently supposed to be played.
@@SilentVoid_ The missiles you can face with the 8.7 Me/Ki are bad enough that you can easily evade them if you are paying attention, especially now that the A-10 and Su-25 got bumped up in BR. In some cases you don't even need to evade, just by turning off your engine some of the IR missiles will lose tracking. As for speed, I don't think this is issue enough for a BR drop. There are many planes at all BRs that are slower than the other vehicles it faces, and typically this comes with some benefit in other areas - here, the great climb rate, and amazing maneuverability. I think this may be why the Ki-200 tends to have better player stats than the Me 163s, because the Japanese TT encourages this style of gameplay from the start, so we're more used to it - you should climb high and dive to make up for the lower airspeed, and use your turning ability in the early/mid game furball to get the majority of your kills. You finish by baiting enemies into turn fighting with you, or taking quick shots as they pass by.
@@movieboy6 argh.. fuck this shit then, as if i could ever say something that convinces that this rocket plane is suffering, there are always people that bring out this huge argument like you to show me how this plane is totally not suffering at all at this br
Holly hell it was indeed you- thought it was some impersonating account. That meteor's reaper missing wing is on me and that just made my day. - that lim5p pilot
It is important to note that Gaijin does not balance just based on stats but also on the frustration of the devs that play the game. If their favorite vehicle is shot down by something they dont play, they will adjust their BRs... or in the case of some Yaks, give them physics breaking energy retention.
I mean, in their defense, it is literally illegal in their home country to insult the legacy of the great patriotic war and certain pieces of equipment. Why do you think T-34's have soft characteristics that match its post-war rebuild 'best case' scenario statistics and not a single combat average and having guns that absolutely do not reflect anyone's attempts at actually using the things. Or have amazing soft characteristics when the reality is and was: The T-34 had notoriously pisspoor Russian guns, a rocky ride born of its technological dead-end suspension hat could never successfully fire on the move as the gun would be shaken every-which way, horrendous turret slough rate, so much difficulty shifting gears most crews kept their tanks perpetually stuck in second gear and kept a large mallet to swap to reverse as it was considered impossible to shift to third gear by hand (or back up) by hand, turned poorly, had loud tracks that often shook the tank so badly that its optics would become damaged (except the actually good gunners sights.) and it was all but impossible to get in and out of the vehicle or change seats to take over another person's job in the case of injury or damage. The well known sad truth is the T-34 is, ya know, completely lacking in every soft characteristic it exceeds at in Warthunder used to artificially make the thing better than it is and uses extremely cherry-picked weapon usage data.
@@WereScrib "so much difficulty shifting gears most crews kept their tanks perpetually stuck in second gear and kept a large mallet to swap to reverse" You just took that from the LazerPig video, didn't you? You wouldn't have to have an actual source to back that up, would you?
The Me-163 B is my most played aircraft in ARB with 409 games and 693 kills with a 57.46% winrate. The reason is 20mms are so much better then the 30mms is the velocity of the ammo, the MK 108 30 mm muzzle velocity is atrocious and at this BR things move quite fast, fast enough to make them into practically melee weapons, lol. As for the fuel, if you reduce your throttle the engine will be a lot more efficient, sitting at 33% it takes something like 12 seconds to consume one "second" of fuel as Warthunder show it, it allows you to make it to the battle and back with plenty of fuel left for dogfighting, even on enduring confrontation maps.
The main issue I have with the Ki-200 (I assume the game play is similar between both planes) is by the time I get to the fight on the large maps you get at 8.7, I am by myself fighting the majority of the enemy team, the match is over because my teammates wiped them out, or, if I am REALLY lucky, I get to shoot an enemy before the match ends. It's just really boring spending 10 minutes just to do nothing or get annihilated by 5 enemies, and 95% of matches in that plane are just that.
@@commandoepsilon4664 You arrive to the center of the map *after* the fighters on your team?! Can't say I've ever had that issue, haha. Try this maybe? After takeoff 100% throttle climbing steady at 500 kmh until 3500 meters, level out and set your throttle to 40%. Should get you to the fight fairly quickly with plenty of fuel to dogfight. I'd be interested in hearing the results!
@@sproge2142 I've played it less than a dozen times and all the matches I've had were full up tiers with supersonic jets and other very fast planes, though I may have been too cautious with fuel consumption.
@@commandoepsilon4664 not having all the engine upgrades etc is pretty significant, just like any aircraft. Personally I prefer using the 30mm version of the 163 at 8.0 instead of the 20mm at 8.7 for no reason besides the BR rating, makes the up tiers way less painful.
KI200 has similar issues being at the BR 8.7, On paper it is a beast but ever since they had the crappy cannon update you waste half your ammo trying to destroy a single target and not just that you have a weaker engine, less fuel and you are facing cold war vehicles right off the bat. I mean although it could stomp on 8.7 and be slightly OP at times its BR also means that it faces off against missiles and supersonic aircraft and you need to make sure no one is locking onto you so you know when to turn off your engine but when they are in orbit there simply is no competition.
The huge problem is that the germen tech was as you say made in ww2, and its up against cold war vehicles. With this in mind there are minor imporvements, considerations that came from that time, tinkering, adapting. A good example would be airbrakes for jets, sure the stats might match up but the cpabilities, and min maxing just wasnt their in a vehilce made a generation prior. This ive noticed also applies to the M24 chaffee in the american tech tree. In AB, and RB for myself it always outperforms its teir 2 early ww2 counterparts, with its 2x50cal, late war 75mm m6 gun, and minimal complex armor geometry, the likes of which early war tanks just were not capable of.
Problem with the 163 is that the 20mm version is much, MUCH easier to aim and get kills with compared with the 30mm one, now, 163 is also an absolute UFO that once catches someting - will kill something. Putting 163 at 8.0 already makes them a bit clubby, especially when their only issue at the BR is endurance (fuel) and the guns. Taking away one of those cons would already be making it a bit clibby. No matter how BS you think facing post war stuff in a 163 is, facing the 163 in F-80, or pretty much any other 7.0-8.0 vehicle is even more unfair, 163 WILL out turn you, and it can easily catch most of the planes in downtiers. On the other hand, even in uptiers the 163 has a decent climb, acceleration, workable turn and UFO turn of course. Ideally, i believe that 163s simply do not fit into WT and should not be in the game, but as we do have them, i say let the B-0 sit at 8.7, and put the B to 8.3.
as an ariete player, i have no business seeing an me 163 in the same way i have no business seeing a handful of things that i forgot the names of at this moment. fortunately, there are ways for me to work around said unnamed things, so i suppose it isnt all that bad... for me, at least.
Fun fact this plane is actually rocket powered and is the only rocket powered plane to see combat, and it only have 7 min of powered flight after that it was an extremely good glider that was maneuverable and carried a lot of speed. It had a top speed of just over 1100 mph which was a record until it was veat in 1949. It was also such a good glider that it was too good bc the slighted head wind would make you over run the runway
idk, for me the B-0 is just as good as B. Players have the same skill issue at 8.7 as they do at 8.0, getting an ace is not a problem with this thing on either BRs
Listen man, not everyone can fly like you. And your stats tell a whole different story when it comes to your preferred ME163 variant. You lean heavily towards to B variant and not the B-0. Which could be for several different reasons but obviously the one with the lower BR is going to be more fun. Everyone who enjoys the B-0 Just wants it back to where it was at 8.3. Can you honestly suggest that it is a useful plane at 8.7? Unless the people flying jets at the BR are idiots you are not going to be getting many chances to get on someone's tail. Plenty of forced head on situations. 90% of my matches in the B-0 have been F10-A's and MiG-21's doing fly by's on me and never losing their speed because they are not dumb. Also pretty hard to be doing several things at once while you are shooting the guy you are .30km from with 20mm's and he is just not dying, while the jets behind you have plenty time to line up a missile while you are distracted. To enjoy the B-0 you have to basically be at 100% awareness and have absolute ace piloting abilities when at 8.7. It just isn't fun.
Yak 23 has a similar issue, while it is cold war, it does not have access to aams, it has only 2 23mm cannons with hardly a few seconds of firing time and doesn't break 600mph. The only pro is the exceptional maneuverability
On the stat card it says it has a slightly slower turn radius and something else is slowerI. Only by 1 second for both stats. I need to look again when home
the BI also has abysmal endurance - not that there isn’t an issue with its balancing, but no BI pilot can have the same influence on a match as a good Komet pilot
@@aether-music I would not call 18 or so minutes on 50% throttle "abysmal" The only thing that is abysmal would be ammo load, tho, russian glass canons don't really suffer this much from it.
@@altair3232 huh, i recalled it having like 20 seconds of fuel for some reason, but that's probably minimum fuel load still, 90 rounds of ammo is also bad and although ShVAKs hit hard they don't hit hard enough for those 90 rounds to count too much
@@aether-music Max fuel load is 2:30~ min or so BUT those rocket planes fly on 50% throttle while doing 800Km/h and on such setting BI has 18~ minutes of range. You dont open up your throttle for going just in straight line or shallow climbs, but when you want like go 70 degrees in climb, rocket planes generally can cruise with 20% throttle and then they have like 1 hour+ range. Fuel is not an issue in one bit. You can pull x amount of energy out of nowhere and on top of that has low and medium speed maneuverability of a zero, with only real caveat being high speed compression. In short that thing is too OP to be 6.7 it should be 7.3 or 7.7. It is true cancer of that br when you met it in battle.
Hello, this maybe a lengthy post but as someone who use to love this craft this aircraft was great and my favorite. Both the M2-163 at 8.0 and what use to be the B-0 at 8.3 back before lock on rockets and the stupidness of those, back when warthunder promised it would never crunch the BRs and add new jets into the modern era.... It was great, I had my best game in the B-0 when I went and beat 7 enemy fighters many of them Migs with a couple bomber kills. It was wonderful, but then the rockets update came and lock-ons were a thing but at least you got a warning, then a second update and they removed the lock on warning, then a 3rd update and they butchered my boy to 8.7 and every update after was just more nails in a already sealed coffin with more and more jets and lock ons that were decades ahead of the rocket buddy....it turned into a seal clubbing.... not to mention the bug of taking off and wreaking on the airfield still hasnt been fixed and the rocket fuel is suppose to last at least 7 1/2 minutes not 6 per OFFICAL records, plus some sources rate the time at even 9 minutes. This aircraft is a prime example of Warthunder being Russian Bias and hating anything German. Look at this aircraft at 8.0-8.7 then look at that little OP russian BI at 6.3........ This aircraft being clubbed butchered my will to play warthunder and thus I uninstalled and still havnt played in any decent amount of time since.....
don't forget about the japanese me163, the Ki-200 basically a me163 with japanese 30mm, used to love it a lot at 8.0 but now it's basically impossible to enjoy because on what you're facing but also the EC maps that are so big you either don't do much because you have to go back to airfield for refuel regularly or you go deep in the fight trying to get killed but you won't be able to get back and you may as well don't find anyone. also the japanese one have a pretty high repair cost really both that one and the german one with 20mm are just painfull to play that's so sad i used to love theme
@@movieboy6 I already know that If you maintain low throttle you Can go far away for sure but still doesnt change the fact that you still can't do much Ennemy Can basically contrôle the fight, dive on you then flee or climb. By the Time you accelerate (if you Can reach their speed) they will be far away and so can't do anything. Ennemy will just have to repeat that that several Time or simply wait that you're low on fuel and you're toasted Basically the only way you could do something is if the ennemy do a mistake or if you're lucky enough to caught someone at low energy or already in a dogfight
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 yeah you Can go back and Come back but if you enter one or two fight you wont have enough fuel anymore (technically you Can go back home even at a couple of % of thrust but 1 would take a very long time, 2 you're basically a sitting duck so if there is an ennemy near it's game over). The Map is just way to Big for your opérationnel range
Its kind of a hard plane to balance. If it goes lower, it stomps anything it goes up against. If it goes higher, it gets stomped by anything it goes up against.
I wanted to have fun with this plane, since I had a premium prop at Japan, I unlocked it eventually without even looking at Br or repair cost. My 10 free repairs ran out by the time I first got into a 8.7 match, every other match before was an uptier. The plane seems absolutely unplayable. I felt like a Chaika messing around in high tier where all the props can outrun me without any effort. I never died early, but I only got 2 kills in about 12 games. One was in a head on other was a bomber. The rest all just ran away and later came back at high speed to punish me.
I do miss the german 131 IAI having tracers its stealth now. And ive not been doing as well as I used to in my. 109s and such. Dunno if its me or if they changed something but… my main nation hasnt been feeling as good
it's because rocket planes have an extreme advantage in warthunder over real life. It takes a 1960's plane to be on par with the Komet because those planes need to have nearly 100 times the endurance, something that doesn't matter when your airfields are only a few dozen km apart. You are gonna struggle in full uptiers, but that's a compression issue. Most jets at that BR suffer in full uptiers
I have a 5 K/D in it. But both of our stat lines do not mean it is fine at that BR. The fact you can face R-60’s and F-104 with a .7 uptier, not even a full one, is incredibly stupid.
In case you didn't know I haven't entirely finished the video yet but if you engine off you just can't be locked it makes fighting sea vixens or anything that only gets air-air really funny. At least that is how it works with the Japanese 8.7 Me-163's .
Why not talk about the German 5.X air RB experience ? where you fight with 4 Ju 288 c and only 1 fighter, the most unbalanced thing I’ve experienced in WT
It's so depressing around that bracket as the 288 players just want to print money and the fighter pilots are left to fend with unreasonable amounts of enemy Fighters
@@TheCyber416 The P-51 D-5 is also dog shit to control using mouse aim. It should be better, but mouse aim can only make full deflection turns, killing all your speed, killing the Mustang itself.
The F8F also has a similar stupid thing it goes from 5.0 with I believe only 4 .50 caliber machine guns the next variant then jumps to 6.3 because it gets the M3 20mm cannons which are already not great either.A whole 1.3 difference in BR,and I don't believe it has any differences for the rest of the airframe,payloads,literally just the guns.
Because its German, and this is Gaijin.. Enough said. It will have unrealistic restrictions placed on it in one form or another, then massively uptiered. Then a few hardcore historian enthusiasts no lifers who play the game religiously, will do decent in it seal clubbing, and boost its MR even higher, with a "See! its a great plane! I get kills in it!" and that's how we're stuck where we are.
COMRADE! You are forgetting mostist biggest detail! _"There is no pronounced extra difficulty between 0.7 and 1.0. Vehicles in our current BR range can effectively combat each other." -Scarper, c.2015_ Knowing this, simply git gud. Or, if already gud, git betr. Such is pro advice from mighty snail.
what do mean, not balanced? its flight model is still better at low speeds than anything it encounters...do you wanna put it against Mig-9s? or against mustangs?
Well, most explosive rounds are pretty shitty nowadays. The 20mm Mineshells are one of the few explosive rounds that still effective. For most cannons you might as well load AP. So not supprising you took a 23mm hit without much issue.
I dont get it america has 50's cas planes with 4 20mm and 3 tons of bombs is 5.7 and a fcking german plane with 2 20mm and no bombs is 9.3, there is something wrong with those guys from gaijin
Well problem is that the 163 is unbalancable. Its so horrifically OP at lower BR and downtier, while being horrifically awful in an uptier at like 8.3+ .
@@User-rn4bb people have keep their speed aka the most important thing in this br so having something that can catch people and has good maneuverability is very op
i dont think the problem is that the 163 is 8.7, but what else is in 9.0 to 9.7, even the slightiests uptier completely turns this thing a useless plane. An example of this is a game where i got a game where the last enemy was a F-104, I couldnt do shit against him, but as the same, he barely could do anything to me as well. It was a super boring endgame.
This may be a hot take, but I don't think WWII aircraft or tanks should see missiles, period. In fact, I'd... really prefer that the Sabre v. MiG-15 matchup was better preserved. Finally got my Sabre last month after 9 years of playing off-and-on and, holy shit, that thing's matchups are wild. I can't even begin to learn how to approach what I'm up against, there's just so much there and so many of them get AAMs.
@@Pikachugamer-2007 There is a video series a youtuber did on this particular aircraft and it's history. I would say the ME163 is one of the most interesting aircraft ever designed during it's time period. look up "Gregs Airplanes and automobiles" and search ME163 in the videos and you should be able to find the 2 videos im talking about. it is a 2 parter.
The snail knows what they are doing by putting this at Br 8.7. The 163 at BR 8.0 already is a struggle at it's BR. The variant at 8.7 is pure pain :(
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Uhh gaijin bad they bad balance.
Also spend money in gaijin store so they earn more money and don't ever get incentive to fix the game.
Next br raise for these wonderwepon us going to be at 12.0. Fighting the virgin tomcats and f16s against the Chad me 163. Love the videos.😀
o7 little birb - IR missiles are going to send you sky high 😅
Remember when they had planned br changes to move the 8.0 one to 8.7 and the 8.7 to 9.3?
wild, they either changed it to only apply to arcade or changed their mind after the playerbase threw a tissy fit though I think.
I would not say the 163 at 8.0 is suffering, it’s a great plane you just need to gain some altitude before engaging targets, I go to about 10km(mostly just to burn my fuel to 3 minutes so I become more maneuverable). Then I swoop down to enemy fighters and one tap them, my kd in it is just over 5. The fuel is also not really that big of an issue, at 30% thr you can stay above 700kmh at altitude and for some reason 1 minute of fuel will last for over 15 minutes with 30% thr.
The guy is dropping flares because there is a missile flying after him. he doesn't know that the missile is piloted by a human
the original missile guidance system
@@AlphaJulietBravo1 the missile knows where it is at all times. it knows this because there is a whole ass dude straight posted inside it.
Ohka comes to mind, too.
Human guided ordnance
i think the bucaneer was taunting him
Fun fact: The Soviet R-60 missile was first introduced in 1970. A whopping 25 years after the last Komet was produced.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
the ki 84 ko is at 7.7 in arcade, it can face a literal mig 21 on a full uptier, bery akkurate yes
@@theoneandonlyartyom its arcade
@@levoderso7469 and?
@@theoneandonlyartyom dont expect good balance
@@levoderso7469 it's War Thunder.
If it still had its old flight model from a long time ago and still had airspawn it would be a lot better than it is now.
for real though, why does the literal rocketpod without gear not get an air spawn???
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND because Gaijin doesnt give you an advantage unless you pay capital for it.
The old flight model was incredibly fun. Shame it feels like a brick in comparison.
@@derkaiser9881 ye, the new fm feels like your flying a brick with wings
It sucks you have to burn 30-45 seconds of fuel just to takeoff
Those extra gun pods can penetrate airplanes!, thus it shall be moved to 8.7!
-gajjin.
guns that shoot THROUGH a plane are about as useful as a gun that shoots the solder that's holding it instead of the enemy.
3:50 The swift F.7 has beam riding missiles, very fun to use in a head on, I recommend you try it
It uses the shitty radar gunsight to track targets, makes it pretty much useless in every scenario except a full commit head on, in which case you'll win 9 times out of 10 (rip the unlucky guy in the vid). Very funny to use since very few people expect it at 8.7
Really only works best with the gunsight turned off
It's all about predicting where people are going to be because 2G of pull doesn't get you far😂
@@impguardwarhamer You can disable radar and use them manually. They are hard to aim but I do hit people that try to dodge head-on.
I always thought the Komet was basically a glorified cruise missile with a gun that if it was launched in the correct direction might be able to make one or two high-speed gun runs on a bomber formation before having to essentially return like a de-orbiting space shuttle. Watching it actually fly around and even attempt to dogfight is wild.
It was more like that irl
I think irl they burned most of the fuel to get to altitude extremely quickly for fast interception. They had to get above the bombers, and by they time they were there they were out of fuel. They'd glide down and use their speed to make some high-speed pass and then glide back to base.
Basically true, the Komet was estimated to have about 12 seconds to attempt to line up a shot, fire, and then hopefully survive. Due to its engine mixture, it basically was only 'safe' to fly straight up, and if all your fuel wasn't burnt, it was highly likely the seals would leak, mix, and dissolve the pilot. (A side effect of the specific fuel mixture was, yes, melting flesh rapidly--and then combusting on top of that.) Any remaining fuel that failed to ignite similarly would usually kill the pilot via melting them alive if it managed to land successfully. (a routine problem as the engines rarely cleaned themselves completely and the pilot was basically sitting in a bathtube made of flesh melting goo) that even a successful survivor (rare enough as it is, as the planes were notoriously easy to shoot down the moment their rocket fuel was expended, which in reality, was gone shortly after reaching the bombers) usually resulted in death anyway.
The allies attempted one test flight, the german ground crews begging them not to, and refused to help until they got signed affadavits saying they were only showing them how to fly it under extreme duress and the vehicle was a 'deathtrap', after that one flight attempt, all further flights of the Komet were banned because, well, it was quite possibly the greatest weapon the Germans made to kill their own pilots. Scoring 9 kills to 10 lost (in combat), 4 lost on landing. (Wikipedia erroneously turns this to '19 kills and 14 losses and there are a few other reports) and on top of that, its training and test periods, it is estimated to have killed 50-60 pilots and far more aircraft of some of the most elite pilots left in Germany.
Not to mention the dead ground crews due to the ever-present threat of the fuel, and the single Japanese copy which blew up and killed the pilot and the model during its one attempt to fly. On a side note, there was at least one komet directly sabotaged by the slave-labor force used to construct them, as the re-assembly of one model by the US found that a comet has a sharp metal spike with some choice words about their position in the Nazi regime was wedged against a fuel tank.
@@WereScrib appreciate the quite thorough explanation, that all sounds about right from having heard various little stories about it over the years. Definitely one of those cases where the idea was good in proving which way not to go.
Also very curious just how fast acting these fuels are at turning the pilot to goop, sounds terrible.
Also did not know about the one with the sabotaged tank. I've heard of the forced laborers doing poor work and intentionally damaging things and what-not, but fashioning a little implement to basically blow the thing up and/or dissolve the pilot is quite the middle finger indeed.
I think the main issue is the ki200 or whatever its called, japanese comet. Worse performance and guns which have broken HEF, so it feels like the sparks of yesteryear
Still fun to fly once a week due to the 20k repair cost XD
Man the absolute amount of sparks in the Ki-200 lately is infuriating.
I have to disagree, I think the Ki-200 sits perfectly at 8.7
@@movieboy6absolutely not suffering from having uptiers every second game and broken guns at a moment
@@Zenitchik_130 It does fine in the uptiers
Meanwhile Smigol is seal clubbing in the Komet all day long.
Single handly keeping BR. What a madlad.
To be fair, Smigol could fight modern fighter jets in a paper plane.
3:50 The swift f.7 has beam-riding missiles iirc, basically mouse guided but can't pull too many Gs
Oh yes it's basically like a WASD aimed missile but it follows the where the plane is pointing
@@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs Yep it just follows wherever the nose is pointing
It also has a tracking functionality using the ranging radar as an illuminator. Unfortunately gaijin is inept so the radar "locks" onto the missile as soon as it's launched then the missile fucks off into space. Still pretty pointless given the G limit but still another one of those gaijin fuck ups
@@themistaken9571 yup, you always turn the tracker OFF for best results, yet another one of gaijins fuckups
Fun fact: It's even higher in AAB, it's 9.3.
fucking lmao what?
Yeah but arcade brs are wilding 💀
@@Tien-Chi Same plane, just with different guns at whole 1.3br higher for some reason.
I barely ever see even the standard one, nevermind seeing either those do well in battle.
@@Damian-03x3 it’s a BI but not sigma
Judging by the amount of Tiger 2s I have seen spawn next to my Leopard 2 A4, I think the BR is very much consistent, with how Late War Germany is apparently supposed to be played.
If you get locked by a rear aspect in the Me-163, just put throttle down to 0% and it'll lose lock. I do it to Sea Vixens all the time
I love (not) it when I am a ww2 German airman trying to doge early cold war missiles and jets while having no gsuit.
Well use America g suits at rank 4 up to my knowledge haven’t noticed a fighter with out them yet
its very easy to dodge most early missiles I dont know why you would need a G suit for it
The komet can judge said missiles signifigantly easier than most early cold war jets can, not that they're hard to dodge to begin with
@@anotheralpharius2056 because almost everyone else has one
@@anotheralpharius2056 trying to pull away from R-60 without G-suit isn't the greatest idea
This thing suffers even more after recent HE nerf considering mg151 already was nerfed beyond reason
MG 151s are now about the same as they were a year ago, the HE bug affected them for some 8 days.
@@Gl1tchman So german grenade guns are usless again? I just got a taste of Mg151 doing real damage.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 No, the contrary, they are and have been the same for past year.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907German guns in wart hunder are so overpowered compared to actual performance profiles lmao
Finally someone brings this up and brings attention to it
There's not really an issue with it being at 8.7
You joking? Almost every jet outruns it or uses missiles on it when i play it. How is this not a problem?
@@SilentVoid_ The missiles you can face with the 8.7 Me/Ki are bad enough that you can easily evade them if you are paying attention, especially now that the A-10 and Su-25 got bumped up in BR. In some cases you don't even need to evade, just by turning off your engine some of the IR missiles will lose tracking.
As for speed, I don't think this is issue enough for a BR drop. There are many planes at all BRs that are slower than the other vehicles it faces, and typically this comes with some benefit in other areas - here, the great climb rate, and amazing maneuverability. I think this may be why the Ki-200 tends to have better player stats than the Me 163s, because the Japanese TT encourages this style of gameplay from the start, so we're more used to it - you should climb high and dive to make up for the lower airspeed, and use your turning ability in the early/mid game furball to get the majority of your kills. You finish by baiting enemies into turn fighting with you, or taking quick shots as they pass by.
@@movieboy6 argh.. fuck this shit then, as if i could ever say something that convinces that this rocket plane is suffering, there are always people that bring out this huge argument like you to show me how this plane is totally not suffering at all at this br
Holly hell it was indeed you- thought it was some impersonating account. That meteor's reaper missing wing is on me and that just made my day.
- that lim5p pilot
With the me 163 you dont need missiles, you are the missile.
Where are your missiles, bro?
I am the missile, bro.
Bro.
Man, I wish the video would've been longer
Hope next one comes sooner than expected :3
Yea, I was laughing at this thing last night when I was playing. Insanely over BR'd.
It is important to note that Gaijin does not balance just based on stats but also on the frustration of the devs that play the game. If their favorite vehicle is shot down by something they dont play, they will adjust their BRs... or in the case of some Yaks, give them physics breaking energy retention.
I mean, in their defense, it is literally illegal in their home country to insult the legacy of the great patriotic war and certain pieces of equipment.
Why do you think T-34's have soft characteristics that match its post-war rebuild 'best case' scenario statistics and not a single combat average and having guns that absolutely do not reflect anyone's attempts at actually using the things.
Or have amazing soft characteristics when the reality is and was: The T-34 had notoriously pisspoor Russian guns, a rocky ride born of its technological dead-end suspension hat could never successfully fire on the move as the gun would be shaken every-which way, horrendous turret slough rate, so much difficulty shifting gears most crews kept their tanks perpetually stuck in second gear and kept a large mallet to swap to reverse as it was considered impossible to shift to third gear by hand (or back up) by hand, turned poorly, had loud tracks that often shook the tank so badly that its optics would become damaged (except the actually good gunners sights.) and it was all but impossible to get in and out of the vehicle or change seats to take over another person's job in the case of injury or damage.
The well known sad truth is the T-34 is, ya know, completely lacking in every soft characteristic it exceeds at in Warthunder used to artificially make the thing better than it is and uses extremely cherry-picked weapon usage data.
Not to mention the Holy Driver’s Hatch of Gaijinism, and AP shells that ignore the entire concept of angled armor for some reason
@@WereScrib "so much difficulty shifting gears most crews kept their tanks perpetually stuck in second gear and kept a large mallet to swap to reverse"
You just took that from the LazerPig video, didn't you? You wouldn't have to have an actual source to back that up, would you?
Ah, War Thunder. A game where Me.163 faces supersonic jets with air-to-air missiles, and Maus faces the Merkava Mk.1.
The Me-163 B is my most played aircraft in ARB with 409 games and 693 kills with a 57.46% winrate. The reason is 20mms are so much better then the 30mms is the velocity of the ammo, the MK 108 30 mm muzzle velocity is atrocious and at this BR things move quite fast, fast enough to make them into practically melee weapons, lol. As for the fuel, if you reduce your throttle the engine will be a lot more efficient, sitting at 33% it takes something like 12 seconds to consume one "second" of fuel as Warthunder show it, it allows you to make it to the battle and back with plenty of fuel left for dogfighting, even on enduring confrontation maps.
The main issue I have with the Ki-200 (I assume the game play is similar between both planes) is by the time I get to the fight on the large maps you get at 8.7, I am by myself fighting the majority of the enemy team, the match is over because my teammates wiped them out, or, if I am REALLY lucky, I get to shoot an enemy before the match ends. It's just really boring spending 10 minutes just to do nothing or get annihilated by 5 enemies, and 95% of matches in that plane are just that.
@@commandoepsilon4664 You arrive to the center of the map *after* the fighters on your team?! Can't say I've ever had that issue, haha.
Try this maybe? After takeoff 100% throttle climbing steady at 500 kmh until 3500 meters, level out and set your throttle to 40%. Should get you to the fight fairly quickly with plenty of fuel to dogfight. I'd be interested in hearing the results!
@@sproge2142 I've played it less than a dozen times and all the matches I've had were full up tiers with supersonic jets and other very fast planes, though I may have been too cautious with fuel consumption.
@@commandoepsilon4664 not having all the engine upgrades etc is pretty significant, just like any aircraft.
Personally I prefer using the 30mm version of the 163 at 8.0 instead of the 20mm at 8.7 for no reason besides the BR rating, makes the up tiers way less painful.
Swifty has beam riding missles, the head on missle trick generally works most of the time. As people only expect rear aspect.
KI200 has similar issues being at the BR 8.7, On paper it is a beast but ever since they had the crappy cannon update you waste half your ammo trying to destroy a single target and not just that you have a weaker engine, less fuel and you are facing cold war vehicles right off the bat. I mean although it could stomp on 8.7 and be slightly OP at times its BR also means that it faces off against missiles and supersonic aircraft and you need to make sure no one is locking onto you so you know when to turn off your engine but when they are in orbit there simply is no competition.
I miss knocking out B-17s with this and running away from their escorts.
The huge problem is that the germen tech was as you say made in ww2, and its up against cold war vehicles. With this in mind there are minor imporvements, considerations that came from that time, tinkering, adapting. A good example would be airbrakes for jets, sure the stats might match up but the cpabilities, and min maxing just wasnt their in a vehilce made a generation prior. This ive noticed also applies to the M24 chaffee in the american tech tree. In AB, and RB for myself it always outperforms its teir 2 early ww2 counterparts, with its 2x50cal, late war 75mm m6 gun, and minimal complex armor geometry, the likes of which early war tanks just were not capable of.
The Ki-200 is at the same BR
ki is literallty same plane but have good 30 mm better then german mk 108 but yeah its stupid at 8,7 int not even good at 7,7
The Ki-200 only has 2 30mms, and it's at 9.3 💀
"very inconsisten" the definission of suffer but playeble
That SimCity 4 track was an unexpected nostalgia hit.
Problem with the 163 is that the 20mm version is much, MUCH easier to aim and get kills with compared with the 30mm one, now, 163 is also an absolute UFO that once catches someting - will kill something.
Putting 163 at 8.0 already makes them a bit clubby, especially when their only issue at the BR is endurance (fuel) and the guns.
Taking away one of those cons would already be making it a bit clibby.
No matter how BS you think facing post war stuff in a 163 is, facing the 163 in F-80, or pretty much any other 7.0-8.0 vehicle is even more unfair, 163 WILL out turn you, and it can easily catch most of the planes in downtiers. On the other hand, even in uptiers the 163 has a decent climb, acceleration, workable turn and UFO turn of course.
Ideally, i believe that 163s simply do not fit into WT and should not be in the game, but as we do have them, i say let the B-0 sit at 8.7, and put the B to 8.3.
This issue used to be present on the Me 262 A-1 as well, until it got its Br decreased.
6 minutes, 6 minutes is all i can spare to play with you!
Based re 5
I remember when this was facing Harrier GR.1 spam when it was first added with 23K repair cost
Iron Armenian: the spookston experience
as an ariete player, i have no business seeing an me 163 in the same way i have no business seeing a handful of things that i forgot the names of at this moment. fortunately, there are ways for me to work around said unnamed things, so i suppose it isnt all that bad... for me, at least.
ki-200 that has those slow 30mm cannons
Now what would me-163 be if it had missiles?
BR 11.0
Definitely 12.0
Fun fact this plane is actually rocket powered and is the only rocket powered plane to see combat, and it only have 7 min of powered flight after that it was an extremely good glider that was maneuverable and carried a lot of speed. It had a top speed of just over 1100 mph which was a record until it was veat in 1949. It was also such a good glider that it was too good bc the slighted head wind would make you over run the runway
9:15 lmao that really sucks that you can face something with r-60s.
idk, for me the B-0 is just as good as B. Players have the same skill issue at 8.7 as they do at 8.0, getting an ace is not a problem with this thing on either BRs
also stop complaining about missiles with rocket planes people, all it takes to dodge an IR missile is to go 0% throttle for a moment
Listen man, not everyone can fly like you. And your stats tell a whole different story when it comes to your preferred ME163 variant. You lean heavily towards to B variant and not the B-0. Which could be for several different reasons but obviously the one with the lower BR is going to be more fun. Everyone who enjoys the B-0 Just wants it back to where it was at 8.3. Can you honestly suggest that it is a useful plane at 8.7? Unless the people flying jets at the BR are idiots you are not going to be getting many chances to get on someone's tail. Plenty of forced head on situations. 90% of my matches in the B-0 have been F10-A's and MiG-21's doing fly by's on me and never losing their speed because they are not dumb. Also pretty hard to be doing several things at once while you are shooting the guy you are .30km from with 20mm's and he is just not dying, while the jets behind you have plenty time to line up a missile while you are distracted. To enjoy the B-0 you have to basically be at 100% awareness and have absolute ace piloting abilities when at 8.7. It just isn't fun.
This plane is so ridiculously OP. If it had a historical battle rating then you would see full teams of them.
The Swift F.7 has a beam Rider AAM missile, it does not lock, and just flies the direction the plane is pointing.
The contrast between your plane and the planes you're up against is astounding
Yak 23 has a similar issue, while it is cold war, it does not have access to aams, it has only 2 23mm cannons with hardly a few seconds of firing time and doesn't break 600mph. The only pro is the exceptional maneuverability
Let's go, new Iron video
finally, the iron baroness plays the plane whose squadron logo she got inspired by
That fact this WW2 relic is flying with and against Mig-19's, F-100's and the Supersonic F-104 is insane and hilarious.
tbf the drag of the gunpods is not modelled. The 8.7 one is just as fast as the 8.0 one.
On the stat card it says it has a slightly slower turn radius and something else is slowerI. Only by 1 second for both stats.
I need to look again when home
@@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs I tested them in game they both do 969kph at sea level.
ah the me 163, the plane that has a severe case of wrong climb rate since it was added to the game.
Vulkan sent his regards, see you next battles, buddy, I'm the Juggernaut 9:00
But BI can be 6.7 since whatever, bAlAnCe.
The bi is really weird as can Accelerate very quickly but then it's control surfaces lock up at high speed 🤣
the BI also has abysmal endurance - not that there isn’t an issue with its balancing, but no BI pilot can have the same influence on a match as a good Komet pilot
@@aether-music I would not call 18 or so minutes on 50% throttle "abysmal"
The only thing that is abysmal would be ammo load, tho, russian glass canons don't really suffer this much from it.
@@altair3232 huh, i recalled it having like 20 seconds of fuel for some reason, but that's probably minimum fuel load
still, 90 rounds of ammo is also bad and although ShVAKs hit hard they don't hit hard enough for those 90 rounds to count too much
@@aether-music Max fuel load is 2:30~ min or so BUT those rocket planes fly on 50% throttle while doing 800Km/h and on such setting BI has 18~ minutes of range. You dont open up your throttle for going just in straight line or shallow climbs, but when you want like go 70 degrees in climb, rocket planes generally can cruise with 20% throttle and then they have like 1 hour+ range. Fuel is not an issue in one bit. You can pull x amount of energy out of nowhere and on top of that has low and medium speed maneuverability of a zero, with only real caveat being high speed compression. In short that thing is too OP to be 6.7 it should be 7.3 or 7.7. It is true cancer of that br when you met it in battle.
the fact that iron forgot about swift f7 having saclos missiles shows how unexpected those things are
Yeah honestly there's not many of those type of missiles in the game 🤣
@@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs There is only 2 tbh. Mig21PFM (but it have mouse guided AT missiles) and swift.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 I mean the swedes have nords
but they keyboard guided so not the best
@@VivyX2 Oh nords... If only i knew how to use those.
Bro who the hell gave that plane a better call Saul pov
Swift f7 has the front aspect semi guided missiles, really fun jet with unbreakable and really good flaps that make it turn very well.
Hello, this maybe a lengthy post but as someone who use to love this craft this aircraft was great and my favorite. Both the M2-163 at 8.0 and what use to be the B-0 at 8.3 back before lock on rockets and the stupidness of those, back when warthunder promised it would never crunch the BRs and add new jets into the modern era.... It was great, I had my best game in the B-0 when I went and beat 7 enemy fighters many of them Migs with a couple bomber kills. It was wonderful, but then the rockets update came and lock-ons were a thing but at least you got a warning, then a second update and they removed the lock on warning, then a 3rd update and they butchered my boy to 8.7 and every update after was just more nails in a already sealed coffin with more and more jets and lock ons that were decades ahead of the rocket buddy....it turned into a seal clubbing.... not to mention the bug of taking off and wreaking on the airfield still hasnt been fixed and the rocket fuel is suppose to last at least 7 1/2 minutes not 6 per OFFICAL records, plus some sources rate the time at even 9 minutes. This aircraft is a prime example of Warthunder being Russian Bias and hating anything German. Look at this aircraft at 8.0-8.7 then look at that little OP russian BI at 6.3........ This aircraft being clubbed butchered my will to play warthunder and thus I uninstalled and still havnt played in any decent amount of time since.....
Yeah BI is bullshit. Me-163 should fly like BI with insane speed. And yet it feel like a regular jet with min fuel.
Swift f7 gets funny beam-riding missiles so it could fire in all aspects.
Bro I want the SS version of the 163. The Nader had nose mounted missiles meant for incepting B-17’s
I think your thinking of the Ba-349
You climb, shoot one burst and the match is over 😂
isnt it in a higher br because its guns have better velocity?
don't forget about the japanese me163, the Ki-200
basically a me163 with japanese 30mm, used to love it a lot at 8.0 but now it's basically impossible to enjoy because on what you're facing but also the EC maps that are so big you either don't do much because you have to go back to airfield for refuel regularly or you go deep in the fight trying to get killed but you won't be able to get back and you may as well don't find anyone. also the japanese one have a pretty high repair cost
really both that one and the german one with 20mm are just painfull to play that's so sad i used to love theme
You can't stay at 100% throttle the entire time
Dude is right. Keep 45% or less and you can cross EC map and come back. But only 100% thrust in combat ofc.
@@movieboy6 I already know that
If you maintain low throttle you Can go far away for sure but still doesnt change the fact that you still can't do much
Ennemy Can basically contrôle the fight, dive on you then flee or climb. By the Time you accelerate (if you Can reach their speed) they will be far away and so can't do anything.
Ennemy will just have to repeat that that several Time or simply wait that you're low on fuel and you're toasted
Basically the only way you could do something is if the ennemy do a mistake or if you're lucky enough to caught someone at low energy or already in a dogfight
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 yeah you Can go back and Come back but if you enter one or two fight you wont have enough fuel anymore (technically you Can go back home even at a couple of % of thrust but 1 would take a very long time, 2 you're basically a sitting duck so if there is an ennemy near it's game over).
The Map is just way to Big for your opérationnel range
@@Pantsugrenadiere My best game with 163 ended like that. Couple of km away from airfield migger caught me. I killed him, but no fuel or energy.
Its kind of a hard plane to balance. If it goes lower, it stomps anything it goes up against. If it goes higher, it gets stomped by anything it goes up against.
How do you hit the afterburner for a aircraft which is basically already a giant afterburner
Shot down in a 1945 vintage rocket plane made of wood with 6 minutes of fuel by missile from the 70s fired from a VTOL carrier aircraft from 1985
same pain i have with my IL-28 constantly being missiled or outsped, and you can see it in this video its awful to play
I wanted to have fun with this plane, since I had a premium prop at Japan, I unlocked it eventually without even looking at Br or repair cost. My 10 free repairs ran out by the time I first got into a 8.7 match, every other match before was an uptier.
The plane seems absolutely unplayable.
I felt like a Chaika messing around in high tier where all the props can outrun me without any effort. I never died early, but I only got 2 kills in about 12 games. One was in a head on other was a bomber. The rest all just ran away and later came back at high speed to punish me.
I do miss the german 131 IAI having tracers its stealth now. And ive not been doing as well as I used to in my. 109s and such. Dunno if its me or if they changed something but… my main nation hasnt been feeling as good
it's because rocket planes have an extreme advantage in warthunder over real life. It takes a 1960's plane to be on par with the Komet because those planes need to have nearly 100 times the endurance, something that doesn't matter when your airfields are only a few dozen km apart.
You are gonna struggle in full uptiers, but that's a compression issue. Most jets at that BR suffer in full uptiers
Extreme disadvantage you mean? It should be much faster then it is now.
it acrually got updated to 9.3 which means youll be fighting A-4 Skyhawks and F-86 Sabres
@Smigol Time! Will you agree? XD
Btw is it Sim City 4 soundtrack in the background?
Yep, Sim City 4
I love the ki-200 and I have k/d of 3 whit it
I have a 5 K/D in it. But both of our stat lines do not mean it is fine at that BR. The fact you can face R-60’s and F-104 with a .7 uptier, not even a full one, is incredibly stupid.
welcome to the club, too many vehicles have fucked up placement
This might not be a great plane, but I want it anyway. I love the Me 163.
In case you didn't know I haven't entirely finished the video yet but if you engine off you just can't be locked it makes fighting sea vixens or anything that only gets air-air really funny. At least that is how it works with the Japanese 8.7 Me-163's .
"haha look at the dorito go boom when i throw my cheat stick at it"
It looks like part of a theme park ride, not a fighter plane
Why not talk about the German 5.X air RB experience ? where you fight with 4 Ju 288 c and only 1 fighter, the most unbalanced thing I’ve experienced in WT
It's so depressing around that bracket as the 288 players just want to print money and the fighter pilots are left to fend with unreasonable amounts of enemy Fighters
The US experience of the old days (which is why the p51 sits at such a low br still)
@@TheCyber416 The P-51 D-5 is also dog shit to control using mouse aim. It should be better, but mouse aim can only make full deflection turns, killing all your speed, killing the Mustang itself.
After witnessing that aim I think its safe to say that it will be going down soon enough
6:20 you are the missile
The F8F also has a similar stupid thing it goes from 5.0 with I believe only 4 .50 caliber machine guns the next variant then jumps to 6.3 because it gets the M3 20mm cannons which are already not great either.A whole 1.3 difference in BR,and I don't believe it has any differences for the rest of the airframe,payloads,literally just the guns.
3:50 it has epic saclos missiles
Because its German, and this is Gaijin.. Enough said.
It will have unrealistic restrictions placed on it in one form or another, then massively uptiered. Then a few hardcore historian enthusiasts no lifers who play the game religiously, will do decent in it seal clubbing, and boost its MR even higher, with a "See! its a great plane! I get kills in it!" and that's how we're stuck where we are.
COMRADE! You are forgetting mostist biggest detail!
_"There is no pronounced extra difficulty between 0.7 and 1.0. Vehicles in our current BR range can effectively combat each other." -Scarper, c.2015_
Knowing this, simply git gud.
Or, if already gud, git betr.
Such is pro advice from mighty snail.
This plane was basically a quirky meme when the best planes in the game were Sabres and Mig-15s. Gaijin enjoys smoking crack
what do mean, not balanced? its flight model is still better at low speeds than anything it encounters...do you wanna put it against Mig-9s? or against mustangs?
its the same thing with ground vehicles getting added at lower br that are made way after ww2 ended
Well, most explosive rounds are pretty shitty nowadays. The 20mm Mineshells are one of the few explosive rounds that still effective. For most cannons you might as well load AP.
So not supprising you took a 23mm hit without much issue.
I dont get it america has 50's cas planes with 4 20mm and 3 tons of bombs is 5.7 and a fcking german plane with 2 20mm and no bombs is 9.3, there is something wrong with those guys from gaijin
yay my favourite armenian has posted
Well problem is that the 163 is unbalancable. Its so horrifically OP at lower BR and downtier, while being horrifically awful in an uptier at like 8.3+ .
whats the problem in making it 8.0?
@@User-rn4bb people have keep their speed aka the most important thing in this br so having something that can catch people and has good maneuverability is very op
It's not unbalancable it's fine where it is
@@ISt0leYaCheese we already have one Me163 at 8.0. Is it op? No. Will 4 20mm's make any difference than 2 30mm's? No
@@User-rn4bb yes. I was trying to say that even the 8.0 in full downtier can be easily killed by 2/1 players whit brain
4:35 they should lower the br but make it so that fuel leaks will damage the pilot over time.
Smigol is the only one capable of destroying the whole lobby
Smigol is not even human. He is a God of WT.
You get up to 3000m, throttle down to like 12% and cruise to the battle, power up to fight
i dont think the problem is that the 163 is 8.7, but what else is in 9.0 to 9.7, even the slightiests uptier completely turns this thing a useless plane. An example of this is a game where i got a game where the last enemy was a F-104, I couldnt do shit against him, but as the same, he barely could do anything to me as well. It was a super boring endgame.
This may be a hot take, but I don't think WWII aircraft or tanks should see missiles, period.
In fact, I'd... really prefer that the Sabre v. MiG-15 matchup was better preserved.
Finally got my Sabre last month after 9 years of playing off-and-on and, holy shit, that thing's matchups are wild. I can't even begin to learn how to approach what I'm up against, there's just so much there and so many of them get AAMs.
Can I ask what the point of a tiny prop at the front of it is?
It powers all the electronics and equipment in the cabin, since the plane itself is actually just a modified glider with a rocket built into it.
@@SquishySquid88 ohhh that's interesting
@@Pikachugamer-2007 There is a video series a youtuber did on this particular aircraft and it's history. I would say the ME163 is one of the most interesting aircraft ever designed during it's time period. look up "Gregs Airplanes and automobiles" and search ME163 in the videos and you should be able to find the 2 videos im talking about. it is a 2 parter.
This soundtracks from Sid Meyers locomotion or sim city 4 isnt it?
Sim City 4
Nah bruh two more guns are definitely too overpowered
163 is still a very good plane, the only thing it does worse than foes is top speed, if it gets down-tiered at all it absolutely shreds all opponents
In my head hitting the after burner is just hitting 100% throttle 🤣
Hey Iron. Try to fly Kikka. Share my suffering.
He was dropping flares because you are a rocket and it looks like it did manage to confuse you!