@@thetimeteller thank you jory.. Your video made things much clearer for me.. I got into watches through a gift from my collegue.. He gave his hamilton field quarz arri edition.. And iam now in the market for my first automatic.. And i tend to overthink everything xD.. But your video made me realize to not do that.. And now iam more confident to buy my first auto.. It may be the new 5kx from seiko because the old skx is a bit too expensive here in germany.. What do you say about the 5kx as a daily driver :).. Greets from germany.. Alex
@@ExtraLeben I am new to the watch world and I got a 5kx as my first automatic watch, in fact I am wearing it right now! if you aren't going to dive with it, then your fine! it has a good movement with hacking and handwind, good finishing and well made. just remember it doesn't have a screw down crown.
@@meepcheep314 thanks.. i got 2 5kxes in the last year xD and modded some other seiko models xd.. was a crazy ride ^^ if you want check out the budget watchateer .. good channel for collectors on a budget ^^
I am a long-time watch collector and what I have learnt couple of things in past 30 years of collecting watches. Number 1. Don't collect for others. Do it for yourself. Buy a watch that speaks to you. Make sure - you feel the emotional attachment with a watch for long period of time before you actually buy it. Number 2. Don't get hung up on mechanical vs quarts etc. I have IWC, Omega etc. but most of the wrist time goes to Citizen because it speaks to me. Number 3. Remember you have only one wrist. So, limit your collection to few but wear them often. Enjoy!!
The part about making sure you feel some kind of special thing before buying is very important but that's also where you have to draw a line, if it's months of salary you might want to reconsider the need versus wants dilemma.
@@caseyle4447 If you want to know if something is objectively cheap or expensive, compare it to the medium monthly income of your country. If you make 10.000€ a month a 5k watch may be cheap to YOU, but will not be objectively cheap since, at least here, 1500€/month is the medium monthly income. So yeah a rolex is cheap compared to some other watches, but it isnt a cheap watch objectively
My watch repair shop told me the same. I brought in a piece I inherited and asked to get it serviced, and he told me that as long as it's running, I'll be fine. As he said "the watch will let you know when it needs serviced."
Love the Seiko 5KX automatic I bought, if I wear it daily it stays remarkably accurate. 5 year old Timex Expedition quartz digital, 4 yr old Timex quartz scout analog, batteries still great. Room for both types of watch. Good points here from the Time Teller!
Great video and really entertaining! I firmly believe you’re spot on with wearing and living with a good watch. $200, $500, $2,000...whatever your budget allows roll with it! One big mistake I made early on was picking up far too many “affordable” watches. I’m sitting on over 10 watches that are all $200 or less. Had I been more educated I could’ve saved for a smaller period of time and had a few high quality go-to watches. Now I cannot find anyone to buy all these and I stare at my watch box saying “what were you thinking, dude...”. Keep up the great content! 🍺
Surfside I would LOVE to list them, but I don’t think that would be respectful to Jory and his channel. I’m not gonna hijack his content with my poorly planned watch purchases. Some of them are decent watches, some were gifts, and others I’ still find of, but very few get the wrist time they deserve. I have about 3 in the main rotation now. Had I planned better and exercised some patience I wouldn’t be in this horological mess. Lol! C’est la vie in the life of a watch geek. 🤣
Awesome video Jory. It never ceases to amaze me that with as vast a collection and knowledge that you have that you are humble and want to educate newbies and as for me I am really rather new having really only been into watches for a couple of years now, but I still learn things every day. Thanks again for your time and the willingness to teach and share in this awesome hobby. Brian.
my watchmaker said it's good to keep em running, to keep oil circulated in the movement. He also admitted, yeah....you only have one wrist He walked around shop with a watch on each wrist sometimes. I've had automatic watches for over 30 yrs. I found a good Japanese movement can go 5 years or so running every moment of every day before a service is required. Swiss movements (I mostly have eta movements) can go alot longer. I have a new old stock military watch I grabbed 30 yrs ago. early 70s era, sold in army PX. it still run properly. I don't wear it alot.
Good video, great show. One thing I would add regarding manual winds: the less complications, the better. It minimizes the adjustments to do when you do wear it after it has run down.
Absolutely enjoyed the show! Nowadays, it seems that the mechanical watches are an exotic. I remember my first watch. My grandmother purchased it on the local village market for a dozen and a half of eggs (barter). It wass about 25 mm lug to lug made in Russia watch with a date complication and a "nylon" strap which is modern these days to name "navy", "zulu" and so on. The watch was worn by me, my sister and my grandmother on an alternation base. The watch lasted about 8 years (no serviced at all. The accuracy was "when you go for the train 20-30 minutes earlier - you are in time). An excellent cheap mechanical watch, though. 9:10 Watch-winding devices. The presented perspective here is: "Are they harming the mechanical watch by doing their stuff?" (if I'm incorrect, please, correct me - my skills in english are poor). My question would be: "Is it worth to purchase this kind or stuff (300$ for 2 watch spinner; 500$ for 4 watch spinner - prices in my country; original products) when you have, lets say 3 mechanical watches with mediocre/brand-taxing quality (100$ each, lets say)?". Even if you have a different mechanical watch for every day of the week, it is less rational than to have a device dispensing automatically a toilet paper on a place of impact. The mechanical watches are very durable, indeed - were them, throw them, dive them, and so on. Teeth too... Build to last. Tell this to the dentist when he/she presents you the medical bill. No joke - wondering which mechanical watch to choose for every-day use. Currently, I have several quartz ones - mostly digital ones. I search around... Thank you for the review and point of view, sir!
this video helped me with my biggest question on if I'm over using my new automatic watch which I got 30 days which hasn't left my wrist since I got it
I failed at number 1) when I started! I went out and bought a Speeeeedy because of all the hype... And ended up selling it! Yikes - it just shows you! This video is too late for me! You live and learn !!! Thanks for a good one again the Thyme Tailor :)
I am new to the channel and suppose I'm somewhat an experienced watch collector. I like your style and you keep the content moving. I'm a Seiko, Omega, Rolex, JG, Cartier. Mostly vintage watches. Good advice.
All good points. Bought my SKX007 in fall 2017. And i have worn it ever since. Always, every single day, every night. It has survived biking, swimming, saunas, showers and bathing. I only take it off my wrist to set the time and date or to switch out the strap (NATO and Zulu straps).
Finally, someone honest regarding maintenance of automatic/manual watches. My 1970’s Tissot Seastar Navigator chronograph, never have been serviced, spent almost 20 years not being used, and works at +3-5 seconds/24h, nowadays. And it’s not a Rolex or Patek Philippe...
love your vids! in fifty plus years, i have never had a watch serviced--as an older friend who serviced watches said--"don't fix it if it ain't broke"--your mileage may vary, of course, and if it makes you feel better about your watch, by all means have it serviced BY A COMPETENT WATCHMAKER, not a self proclaimed, untrained hobbyist....
Really useful video. Thanks for the info. Having recently got into watches and starting a TH-cam channel doing reviews of them. I've been thinking/worrying about servicing, as my collection expands. This has put my mind at ease a bit now 👍
Point 3 is very important. These days people think that automatic watches will break easily. My father wore a cheap Seiko 5 during his 4 years of military service during the Bosnian war (1992-1996). And wearing a watch in muddy trenches is much harder on a watch than most of us will ever abuse it. He hasn't worn it for about 20 years but it still runs. Never serviced.
Have not watched your video yet, just want to say, I just bought my first watch, and it was automatic. I was drawn to it's look, and I wanted it so bad. But I am excited to see this. I have a job where I replace watch batteries on the daily, and it spiked my interest in watches.
Whoa when did ya get the 18K Yellow Gold Rolex President? Lol I know you did a review on it previously, but I don't think I remember you ever saying it was an addition to your collection.
Quartz watches - "They don't have a soul" lol! Great advice...though I do think watch winders are a waste of money I can spend on watches (I don't have any "grand complications"). Thank you for another excellent video :)
When we used mineral oils it was considered a service be carried out every three to five years depending on whether it was a dress watch with no water resistance or a water resistant case. The new oils we now use are synthetic and the general shelf life is five to six years and the majority of cases have good water resistance which also protects the movement components and lubricants from the effects of the atmosphere, so the recommended service intervals now are every five years if you want to keep your timepiece in tip top condition or every ten years. After ten years the lubricants used will have deteriorated losing their ability to stop the increase of wear due to friction on the moving parts. If your watch starts to lose time this is a good indicator that the lubricants are no longer able to protect the movement from serious wear. As for the seals/gaskets used on the case back and crown they should ideally be replaced every two years if the watch is immersed in water on a regular basis as the chemicals used in pools or salt in seawater will attack the silicone rubber which will benefit from being lubricated with silicone grease used by watch repairers to help protect the seals from premature ageing.
Jory nice video. Some points: 1 right on with babying. This comes from a man that has scratched a sapphire crystal. 2. If you are starting auto collecting, a nice option is used ETA. I would not go used Asian because sometime repair is costlier than new. And ETA is super easy to repair/replace. 3. I had a watch never serviced but stored for 15 years in a safe. Oil turned into grease and I had to service it because it didn't work even though it was almost n.o.s. 4- the more you wear a watch the more it gets worn. That is sometimes the do not use winders reason. But my dad's Omega (early 70s) used daily just until 2001 had his spring replaced. So it is not so quickly worn.
Low level fatigue is still fatigue in the parts & lubrication. That said, don't have so many watches that you don't wear one for decades. Use them at least once, or twice a year, and you'll be fine.
Lol on the tough.. for most of my life I rode and still own old Harley's.. I would look down and see the watch and it was a blur of Harley shake.... didn't seem to hurt em. Here is a tip... Service? run it till it drops.. yep.. they will service it when they fix it. And it won't cost much if any more. my Omega died after 11 years so I sent it in to be fixed.... it needed a few things but was not far from the charge would be for service. That is actually the only watch I have ever had serviced... some I have owned for 25 years or so.
Hi Jory! Great content. I enjoyed watching. I've been into watches since I was around 9 and it kind of went into hibernation when I was in med school and was only revived a few years ago. My passion has been rekindled but it IS hard on the wallet. Haha! I live through you watch guys when it comes to luxury timepieces which I can't afford. Great to see that you appreciate watches of almost all price points.
Hand-winding an automatic is fine, but you CAN damage some of them by overwinding. I know they're all supposed to have some overrun gizmo inside that prevents this, but I've repeatedly broken two winding mechanisms (on a Bremont and an Oris) because clearly these gizmos not all created equal. Interestingly, those two watches shared a similarly-sourced ETA movement. It would appear that while the automatic rotor cannot overwind the movement, manual winding can on certain automatics if you're not careful. My Rolex, however, will happily let you hand-wind it all day. Therefore, I feel your advice should be to hand-wind a watch UNTIL YOU FEEL AN INCREASE IN RESISTANCE, THEN STOP
I had broken the main spring on a 70‘s Delbana handwound because I did not noticed a resistance, beeing waterproof and the crown turned hard. So I just count 15-16 short winding moves, then I stop. Most watches go to a max of 22-25 of my motions. This way, I‘m far from overwinding. You just have to do it two times a day. Also old watches with the old spring are way more sensible to break
@@lone-wolf-1 That's true, although those are manual-wind watches, not automatics, and therefore unprotected by an overwind clutch mechanism. It's a worry if you couldn't feel an increase in resistance before the spring broke though. Perhaps your ideal watch would be one with a power reserve indicator!
David S It happened just once, then I learned. I mostly wear automatics with the safety clutch. I wind them just 5 times, the rest does the winding disc while wearing
First time watch collector here (started last fall). And I'm hooked! Did hours and hours (and hours) of research. Broke down a REAL GOOD number of possible watch purchases (so far mostly microbrands + some big brands) into 5 categories: - Everyday/Casual - Dress - Pilot/Fleiger/Field (I'm not a pilot, but they look cool) - Diver - Sport/Chronograph - Beater Dan Henry (1939), Richard LeGrand (Mark III Odyssea in black), Mercer (Durham Cobalt and Madison white enamel) have been the micros I've dipped into so far. Love them all! I'll be adding at least one of Halios/Helm/Hamtun to that list....they're so tough to order! Laco (Aachen & Augsburg...the swiss mvmt versions would have been 2x the price) I've also got. They're awesome! Seiko SKX009 Pepsi, Seiko SNK795, and Orient Bambino 2nd gen are on order. Tried ordering a little Vostok (diver dude version, and a few others) but the supplier out of Lithuania (yeah, not Russia!) said they're out of production for now (maybe coronavirus related) Anyway....that's my whole collection thus far :D Edit: yup I know that microbrands can come with dubious quality assurance, ability to service, and re-sale value, but totally depends what you buy obviously
All valid points jory I have quartz mechanical and automatic watches the I buy the watches because of the way they look the movement is secondary consideration keep up the excellent content my friend 👍😎
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I am still amazed that many people do not know hand wounding or automatic watches. I have neen collecting watches for 70 years, when electronic watches were to be born. I grew up with pocket watches and some wristwatches of the 40´s. Actually I do not know any person in my huge land that use any watch, quartz or smart. Young people are afraid of the tic-tocs when I show them a watch and ask me what is that sound professor? Cheers from frozen Patagonia, Argentina.
I just got my Seiko 5 SRPB89K1 with the 4R35B movement. My first automatic, so I’m excited to hear some tips. Foremost is if that movement can be over wound? Thanks.
Troy Nasello Thank you for the reply. Yeah, I have a Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical the has a very clear stop when it’s fully wound. My Seiko is kinda vague. That or I haven’t actually fully wound it yet. Either way, I finally have an automatic Seiko in the collection.
I always wanted to buy this watch but could not find in my country so had to adjust with seiko 5 automatic ... but love the way you have put the nylon strap looks cool man
I have a Vostok my cousin brought back from Moscow in 1993 when he worked as a driller for a few years. 27years old, and still runs tickity boo!! He probably paid $30 for it in '93.
Jory, drop the Montblanc bit, since vintage Montblanc pens, particular ballpoint, could be had for not that much money. Even a new ballpoint might cost less than a Bambino.
Many spot on observation I'de say. I own Seiko, Orient, and many other "value" autos. My Seiko 55 Fathoms is perhaps the best looking watch in my box (sorry Swiss neighbors). Reliable, accurate, and yes I can "beat the crap" out of them. Staring at the movement, through the case back, just seems like Horology 101 to me. Keep it up TT.
My watches tell me when they need service. When the accuracy or power reserve change for the worse, if it has been five or more years, the watch goes for service.
I wore a Panerai (PAM388) to work putting it in a pocket sometimes but worn while using angle grinders and around high voltage (welding) for about 6 months before suddenly it started behaving strangely (running erratically)... so I put it aside assuming It would be an expensive service bill. Turned out it had just magnetized internally and worked like new a year later. I don't wear it in the shop anymore... but it took a lot of abuse.
I think it’s funny how most watches would be fine in the situations you said, but my watch is broken because I manually wound it and the auto wind works doesn’t work anymore, good thing it’s a $12 watch haha.
Jory, wonderful video and thank you very much for putting this information out there! May I ask, what about getting your watch magnetized? Does this happen easily and have is ever happened to any of your watches?
Your example on car idling is not really true. Sure if the car is left outside for like a month the tires will temporarily deform but it should be fine. Idling a car however is actually really bad for it if its done frequently and long periods of time (appx 20 minutes to an 1 hour more). The reason is because the engine compartment gets hotter than normal as the air is not passing through it as it would if you were driving. Hotter conditions inside the engine compartment can cause hoses to wear out and crack prematurely. Having the engine compartment hotter than normal is just bad, it also can cause the diodes in the alternator to fail prematurely causing AC current to be sent to the batteries and vehicle components. This is why the light flicker when the alternator goes bad. If not diagnosed in time youll have to replace more than an alternator. The point here is cars are meant to be driven down the road. If the machine isn’t being used as design it can cause premature failure. But your point remains true i think, as long as the watch is doing what its designed to do your not hurting it unless the manufacturer specifically says avoid xyz
Agreeing with all BUT the watchwinder stuff. And I am a watch tech. These things are ok to put the watch in the evening and pick it up the next morning with the autowind already charged. BUT it is definitively detrimental to have a watch constantly on them. You basically shorten the life of it and/or make the need for a service more frequent. Keep the watch in a watch box and when you need to put it on, just handwind it and use it, that's it. Ah, and having a car engine hidling all the time will lack the cylinders due to low pressure on the piston rings and therefore oil blowby. So, better if you just speak about thing you really know...
Seiko is literally analogous to Toyota. I have a Bullhead Chrono that was manufactured in 1976 and has never been serviced and keeps excellent time. My Hamilton Jazz, on the other hand, wasn’t sealed properly from the factory and had to go in for service for 2 months after owning it for a week. It was kinda like a BMW.
Inspired by you I pulled the trigger and bought my first automatic, the SKX009. I'm totally overjoyed and form the looks of it I was just in time before they ran out of stock...so thanks for helping me make that life changing decision. Now I wanted to ask if you would prefer buying an entry level quartz Tissot, because after all it's Swiss...or an automatic at the same price point (somewhere around $200). Just wondering...thanks.
Thank you for this video. I’m just starting to get into watches and this is helpful. Some of my coworkers that got me into watches spend (what I think is) an exorbitant amount of money on multiple watches. For now I’m just looking to buy 1-2 good automatics for multiple situations. Thanks again Time Teller.
I’ve 2 Bulova automatic watches from 1970 and they have not been serviced and run well. One is about a minute slow per day and SHOULD be serviced, but the other is -14 seconds a day. AFTER 50 years! You can go a LONG time with no service with a well-made and properly lubricated movement. I have it on good authority that unless your watch NEEDS a service, you should not open it up until necessary. Unlike a car (which does need frequent service and oil changes to keep the heat and metal in oil from tearing apart an engine), a watch will not be destroyed. Most likely the lubrication will dry up or gum up and you’ll gain/lose significant time... but once serviced (cleaned and lubricated), it’s A-OK. But there are other factors... environment, moisture, particulates in the air, proximity to electrical fields/magnetism, etc. So sometimes in very rough or challenging conditions (for anything mechanical), a regular service interval isn’t bad. But a watch with an easy life in a stable, temperate atmosphere that remains sealed can go a LONG time.
I am a student and own a Seiko 5 Automatic and I wear it everyday. I need to take bumpy public transport, sometimes the watch hit the desk while making notes, sometimes I run climb the stairs. I cant take care of my watch like a baby because of lack of time and other priorities. Is it fine for a budget Automatic watch or am I doing something wrong ? EXPERTS PLEASE HELP CAUSE I DONT WANT MY WATCH DEAD
Hey Jory, ever think about doing a "Rate my Collection" segment? Rate some collection pics from istagram or something along those lines? Love your stuff. Thanks for all the great information and laughs.
One thing your said I don't think is correct. When an automatic watch is wound down and you need to wind it back up, DON'T shake it! Either put it on your wrist and make a few gentle movements or manually wind it a bit. But definately don't shake from side to side it to activate the rotor movement.
Hello @The Time Teller I got my first ever automatic Seiko SKX and I let my watch die for the first time in the month I had it and, when I reset the time it was on the correct day date, but the day looks like it's more up in the air going towards the 12 and I'm afraid I already broke the day date complication. Help!
Jory, love the channel! I have learned a lot since I started my watch journey last year. At this point my understanding is that a cheap watch winder is “bad” because the electric motor could magnetize your watch. The better watch winders shield and protect your watch from this.
The watch I wear the most is a €72 Seiko Automatic... and if you look to Chinese brands, you can get an automatic for even cheaper! Of course my grail is a A.Lange & Sohne Datograph Chrono... but I’ll need a big lottery win to be able to afford it...
I like to keep a rotation of watches on my winders (Boxy BTW, thanks for the reccomendation) so I have a choice of grab 'n' go watches, whether quartz or auto.
Hi Jory! All good points in my opinion. You have taught me so much about watches, their care and different types . A heartfelt Thank You!
You rock, Jonathane! Thanks for enjoying the content!!
@@thetimeteller thank you jory.. Your video made things much clearer for me.. I got into watches through a gift from my collegue.. He gave his hamilton field quarz arri edition.. And iam now in the market for my first automatic.. And i tend to overthink everything xD.. But your video made me realize to not do that.. And now iam more confident to buy my first auto.. It may be the new 5kx from seiko because the old skx is a bit too expensive here in germany.. What do you say about the 5kx as a daily driver :).. Greets from germany.. Alex
@@ExtraLeben I am new to the watch world and I got a 5kx as my first automatic watch, in fact I am wearing it right now! if you aren't going to dive with it, then your fine! it has a good movement with hacking and handwind, good finishing and well made. just remember it doesn't have a screw down crown.
@@meepcheep314 thanks.. i got 2 5kxes in the last year xD and modded some other seiko models xd.. was a crazy ride ^^ if you want check out the budget watchateer .. good channel for collectors on a budget ^^
I am a long-time watch collector and what I have learnt couple of things in past 30 years of collecting watches. Number 1. Don't collect for others. Do it for yourself. Buy a watch that speaks to you. Make sure - you feel the emotional attachment with a watch for long period of time before you actually buy it. Number 2. Don't get hung up on mechanical vs quarts etc. I have IWC, Omega etc. but most of the wrist time goes to Citizen because it speaks to me. Number 3. Remember you have only one wrist. So, limit your collection to few but wear them often. Enjoy!!
Amen, I own a Seiko Coutura, Citizen and now 2 beautiful Holzkern watches.
The part about making sure you feel some kind of special thing before buying is very important but that's also where you have to draw a line, if it's months of salary you might want to reconsider the need versus wants dilemma.
You have 2 wrists
@@lockewiggin9887 LMAO
Jory: You don't have to spend a bunch of money on an automatic watch **points to Rolex on wrist**
I mean, compared to Patek Philippes, Rolex is pretty cheap lol
@@caseyle4447 If you want to know if something is objectively cheap or expensive, compare it to the medium monthly income of your country.
If you make 10.000€ a month a 5k watch may be cheap to YOU, but will not be objectively cheap since, at least here, 1500€/month is the medium monthly income.
So yeah a rolex is cheap compared to some other watches, but it isnt a cheap watch objectively
@@MLarios97 very good point
MLarios97 great point 👍
@@MLarios97 I wish I could hit the thumbs up button 10,000 times.
The watch maker I'm close with told me this about servicing. If something weird isn't going on or it's still keeping time, then don't touch it!!
B m Not even for the “scheduled “ lubrication?
@@willardhooton920 haha better take it in every 5,000 miles
My watch repair shop told me the same. I brought in a piece I inherited and asked to get it serviced, and he told me that as long as it's running, I'll be fine. As he said "the watch will let you know when it needs serviced."
@@willardhooton920 Are we still talking about the watch! O_o
Douglas Puglas I sure hope so! lol
Love the Seiko 5KX automatic I bought, if I wear it daily it stays remarkably accurate. 5 year old Timex Expedition quartz digital, 4 yr old Timex quartz scout analog, batteries still great. Room for both types of watch.
Good points here from the Time Teller!
Great video and really entertaining!
I firmly believe you’re spot on with wearing and living with a good watch. $200, $500, $2,000...whatever your budget allows roll with it!
One big mistake I made early on was picking up far too many “affordable” watches. I’m sitting on over 10 watches that are all $200 or less. Had I been more educated I could’ve saved for a smaller period of time and had a few high quality go-to watches. Now I cannot find anyone to buy all these and I stare at my watch box saying “what were you thinking, dude...”.
Keep up the great content! 🍺
You just described my life!...
Would you consider listing the watches here that no longer interest you. I'm so curious 😁💙
Surfside I would LOVE to list them, but I don’t think that would be respectful to Jory and his channel. I’m not gonna hijack his content with my poorly planned watch purchases. Some of them are decent watches, some were gifts, and others I’ still find of, but very few get the wrist time they deserve. I have about 3 in the main rotation now. Had I planned better and exercised some patience I wouldn’t be in this horological mess. Lol! C’est la vie in the life of a watch geek. 🤣
@@dunndicles understood.
By the way I didn't list as in sale😁 just, like what are the ones you don't like anymore...
I’m considering selling off anything larger than 40mm for starters (Seiko, Steinhart, and Glycine divers...went nutz with the divers!)
Ordered my first auto few days ago.
Vostok Amfibia Scuba. I'm pretty excited!
I dropped my SKX so many times it isn't even funny, well it still keeps perfect time.
Awesome video Jory. It never ceases to amaze me that with as vast a collection and knowledge that you have that you are humble and want to educate newbies and as for me I am really rather new having really only been into watches for a couple of years now, but I still learn things every day. Thanks again for your time and the willingness to teach and share in this awesome hobby. Brian.
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
*James Bond was wearing an Omega though*
just kidding, this will be a great series, and this video is an awesome start!
my watchmaker said it's good to keep em running, to keep oil circulated in the movement.
He also admitted, yeah....you only have one wrist
He walked around shop with a watch on each wrist sometimes.
I've had automatic watches for over 30 yrs. I found a good Japanese movement can go 5 years or so running every moment of every day before a service is required.
Swiss movements (I mostly have eta movements) can go alot longer.
I have a new old stock military watch I grabbed 30 yrs ago. early 70s era, sold in army PX.
it still run properly. I don't wear it alot.
Good video, great show. One thing I would add regarding manual winds: the less complications, the better. It minimizes the adjustments to do when you do wear it after it has run down.
Absolutely enjoyed the show! Nowadays, it seems that the mechanical watches are an exotic. I remember my first watch. My grandmother purchased it on the local village market for a dozen and a half of eggs (barter). It wass about 25 mm lug to lug made in Russia watch with a date complication and a "nylon" strap which is modern these days to name "navy", "zulu" and so on. The watch was worn by me, my sister and my grandmother on an alternation base. The watch lasted about 8 years (no serviced at all. The accuracy was "when you go for the train 20-30 minutes earlier - you are in time). An excellent cheap mechanical watch, though.
9:10 Watch-winding devices. The presented perspective here is: "Are they harming the mechanical watch by doing their stuff?" (if I'm incorrect, please, correct me - my skills in english are poor). My question would be: "Is it worth to purchase this kind or stuff (300$ for 2 watch spinner; 500$ for 4 watch spinner - prices in my country; original products) when you have, lets say 3 mechanical watches with mediocre/brand-taxing quality (100$ each, lets say)?". Even if you have a different mechanical watch for every day of the week, it is less rational than to have a device dispensing automatically a toilet paper on a place of impact.
The mechanical watches are very durable, indeed - were them, throw them, dive them, and so on. Teeth too... Build to last. Tell this to the dentist when he/she presents you the medical bill.
No joke - wondering which mechanical watch to choose for every-day use. Currently, I have several quartz ones - mostly digital ones. I search around...
Thank you for the review and point of view, sir!
this video helped me with my biggest question on if I'm over using my new automatic watch which I got 30 days which hasn't left my wrist since I got it
I failed at number 1) when I started! I went out and bought a Speeeeedy because of all the hype... And ended up selling it! Yikes - it just shows you! This video is too late for me! You live and learn !!! Thanks for a good one again the Thyme Tailor :)
All helpful info Jory, this T3 channel is both educational and entertaining!
I am new to the channel and suppose I'm somewhat an experienced watch collector. I like your style and you keep the content moving. I'm a Seiko, Omega, Rolex, JG, Cartier. Mostly vintage watches. Good advice.
All good points. Bought my SKX007 in fall 2017. And i have worn it ever since. Always, every single day, every night. It has survived biking, swimming, saunas, showers and bathing. I only take it off my wrist to set the time and date or to switch out the strap (NATO and Zulu straps).
Finally, someone honest regarding maintenance of automatic/manual watches. My 1970’s Tissot Seastar Navigator chronograph, never have been serviced, spent almost 20 years not being used, and works at +3-5 seconds/24h, nowadays. And it’s not a Rolex or Patek Philippe...
I've been into collecting watches for the better part 30yrs and I learned something new from your video. Kudos ;-)
Jory great content as always... I still have a smile on my face based upon that accent of a watchmaker!!! Keep up the great work
love your vids! in fifty plus years, i have never had a watch serviced--as an older friend who serviced watches said--"don't fix it if it ain't broke"--your mileage may vary, of course, and if it makes you feel better about your watch, by all means have it serviced BY A COMPETENT WATCHMAKER, not a self proclaimed, untrained hobbyist....
Happy Monday Jory !!!
Crush this week!!!
Nicely done my friend Jory,can't sleep Lol😜😝😛⌚👍🏼👍🏼great info, I have both automatic and Quartz..
Really useful video. Thanks for the info. Having recently got into watches and starting a TH-cam channel doing reviews of them. I've been thinking/worrying about servicing, as my collection expands. This has put my mind at ease a bit now 👍
I just bought my first one you’re one of my favorite channels!
Point 3 is very important.
These days people think that automatic watches will break easily.
My father wore a cheap Seiko 5 during his 4 years of military service during the Bosnian war (1992-1996).
And wearing a watch in muddy trenches is much harder on a watch than most of us will ever abuse it.
He hasn't worn it for about 20 years but it still runs. Never serviced.
My Oris broke twice after dropping from a low dresser. Now I am very careful.
Quartz watches are way more shock and magnetic resistant.
seiko 5 doesn't have a hacking function. i don't know how he survived four years of bosnia without hacking function ... but i am glad he did :)
@@gordanbabic8028 shocking isn't it? :)
@@MrAnonymousRandom true
I am new to watches. LOVED this video. Already subscribed to the channel. Loving the content. Thank you Time Teller
Thank you, bro!!👍
Have not watched your video yet, just want to say, I just bought my first watch, and it was automatic. I was drawn to it's look, and I wanted it so bad. But I am excited to see this. I have a job where I replace watch batteries on the daily, and it spiked my interest in watches.
Whoa when did ya get the 18K Yellow Gold Rolex President? Lol I know you did a review on it previously, but I don't think I remember you ever saying it was an addition to your collection.
Jonathan Hernandez - yea, Jory kind of hid that one from us.
I ordered the srph59 for my first mechanical , really exited. No more apple daily watch.
Came for the helpful information.
Stayed for the Austrian Watchmaker impressions. Chapeau.
Quartz watches - "They don't have a soul" lol! Great advice...though I do think watch winders are a waste of money I can spend on watches (I don't have any "grand complications"). Thank you for another excellent video :)
I have an omega seamaster 1974 never serviced it works perfect
Should also have mentioned how to properly set the day/date on automatic watches.
When we used mineral oils it was considered a service be carried out every three to five years depending on whether it was a dress watch with no water resistance or a water resistant case.
The new oils we now use are synthetic and the general shelf life is five to six years and the majority of cases have good water resistance which also protects the movement components and lubricants from the effects of the atmosphere, so the recommended service intervals now are every five years if you want to keep your timepiece in tip top condition or every ten years. After ten years the lubricants used will have deteriorated losing their ability to stop the increase of wear due to friction on the moving parts.
If your watch starts to lose time this is a good indicator that the lubricants are no longer able to protect the movement from serious wear.
As for the seals/gaskets used on the case back and crown they should ideally be replaced every two years if the watch is immersed in water on a regular basis as the chemicals used in pools or salt in seawater will attack the silicone rubber which will benefit from being lubricated with silicone grease used by watch repairers to help protect the seals from premature ageing.
Jory nice video. Some points: 1 right on with babying. This comes from a man that has scratched a sapphire crystal. 2. If you are starting auto collecting, a nice option is used ETA. I would not go used Asian because sometime repair is costlier than new. And ETA is super easy to repair/replace. 3. I had a watch never serviced but stored for 15 years in a safe. Oil turned into grease and I had to service it because it didn't work even though it was almost n.o.s. 4- the more you wear a watch the more it gets worn. That is sometimes the do not use winders reason. But my dad's Omega (early 70s) used daily just until 2001 had his spring replaced. So it is not so quickly worn.
This is automatically my favorite video of yours (not that the others aren't awesome!)
Low level fatigue is still fatigue in the parts & lubrication. That said, don't have so many watches that you don't wear one for decades. Use them at least once, or twice a year, and you'll be fine.
I have a Omega seamaster from the early sixties that has never been serviced. Runs great.
Im new to watch world, really really really good content! Really thanks
Lol on the tough.. for most of my life I rode and still own old Harley's.. I would look down and see the watch and it was a blur of Harley shake.... didn't seem to hurt em. Here is a tip... Service? run it till it drops.. yep.. they will service it when they fix it. And it won't cost much if any more. my Omega died after 11 years so I sent it in to be fixed.... it needed a few things but was not far from the charge would be for service. That is actually the only watch I have ever had serviced... some I have owned for 25 years or so.
Excellent video Jory. Even for the veterans. Nice one.
My first automatic watch was Deep Blue Nato 300..love it!
Hi Jory! Great content. I enjoyed watching. I've been into watches since I was around 9 and it kind of went into hibernation when I was in med school and was only revived a few years ago. My passion has been rekindled but it IS hard on the wallet. Haha! I live through you watch guys when it comes to luxury timepieces which I can't afford. Great to see that you appreciate watches of almost all price points.
Great information. I love the various voices, keep them please.
I’m new to your channel and watch collecting! I’m really enjoying going thru these videos on your playlist!!
Hand-winding an automatic is fine, but you CAN damage some of them by overwinding. I know they're all supposed to have some overrun gizmo inside that prevents this, but I've repeatedly broken two winding mechanisms (on a Bremont and an Oris) because clearly these gizmos not all created equal. Interestingly, those two watches shared a similarly-sourced ETA movement. It would appear that while the automatic rotor cannot overwind the movement, manual winding can on certain automatics if you're not careful. My Rolex, however, will happily let you hand-wind it all day. Therefore, I feel your advice should be to hand-wind a watch UNTIL YOU FEEL AN INCREASE IN RESISTANCE, THEN STOP
I had broken the main spring on a 70‘s Delbana handwound because I did not noticed a resistance, beeing waterproof and the crown turned hard. So I just count 15-16 short winding moves, then I stop. Most watches go to a max of 22-25 of my motions. This way, I‘m far from overwinding. You just have to do it two times a day. Also old watches with the old spring are way more sensible to break
@@lone-wolf-1 That's true, although those are manual-wind watches, not automatics, and therefore unprotected by an overwind clutch mechanism. It's a worry if you couldn't feel an increase in resistance before the spring broke though.
Perhaps your ideal watch would be one with a power reserve indicator!
David S
It happened just once, then I learned.
I mostly wear automatics with the safety clutch. I wind them just 5 times, the rest does the winding disc while wearing
First time watch collector here (started last fall). And I'm hooked!
Did hours and hours (and hours) of research.
Broke down a REAL GOOD number of possible watch purchases (so far mostly microbrands + some big brands) into 5 categories:
- Everyday/Casual
- Dress
- Pilot/Fleiger/Field (I'm not a pilot, but they look cool)
- Diver
- Sport/Chronograph
- Beater
Dan Henry (1939), Richard LeGrand (Mark III Odyssea in black), Mercer (Durham Cobalt and Madison white enamel) have been the micros I've dipped into so far. Love them all!
I'll be adding at least one of Halios/Helm/Hamtun to that list....they're so tough to order!
Laco (Aachen & Augsburg...the swiss mvmt versions would have been 2x the price) I've also got. They're awesome!
Seiko SKX009 Pepsi, Seiko SNK795, and Orient Bambino 2nd gen are on order.
Tried ordering a little Vostok (diver dude version, and a few others) but the supplier out of Lithuania (yeah, not Russia!) said they're out of production for now (maybe coronavirus related)
Anyway....that's my whole collection thus far :D
Edit: yup I know that microbrands can come with dubious quality assurance, ability to service, and re-sale value, but totally depends what you buy obviously
love the old school way of doing the video!
All valid points jory I have quartz mechanical and automatic watches the I buy the watches because of the way they look the movement is secondary consideration keep up the excellent content my friend 👍😎
I am still amazed that many people do not know hand wounding or automatic watches. I have neen collecting watches for 70 years, when electronic watches were to be born. I grew up with pocket watches and some wristwatches of the 40´s. Actually I do not know any person in my huge land that use any watch, quartz or smart. Young people are afraid of the tic-tocs when I show them a watch and ask me what is that sound professor? Cheers from frozen Patagonia, Argentina.
Auto service all depends on old oil crape or new synthetic oil which is awsome watch winders just wear out parts quicker.
Awesome review… big love from Australia 😊
Good stuff Jory! Would you do an episode on interesting quartz watches?
i'm new to owning Automatic watches. I have a Seiko skx009 and i am currently buying lots of homage watches and loving them.
Plz do recommend some homage watches. I'm into Rolex datejust type, but regardless.
I just got my Seiko 5 SRPB89K1 with the 4R35B movement. My first automatic, so I’m excited to hear some tips. Foremost is if that movement can be over wound? Thanks.
Troy Nasello Thank you for the reply. Yeah, I have a Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical the has a very clear stop when it’s fully wound. My Seiko is kinda vague. That or I haven’t actually fully wound it yet. Either way, I finally have an automatic Seiko in the collection.
I always wanted to buy this watch but could not find in my country so had to adjust with seiko 5 automatic ... but love the way you have put the nylon strap looks cool man
I have a Vostok my cousin brought back from Moscow in 1993 when he worked as a driller for a few years. 27years old, and still runs tickity boo!! He probably paid $30 for it in '93.
Awesome video! Watching your channel has definitely helped me learn a lot about watches.
Love the pen as well!
Started up Again. Youre channel is my go to for inspiration.
Jory, drop the Montblanc bit, since vintage Montblanc pens, particular ballpoint, could be had for not that much money. Even a new ballpoint might cost less than a Bambino.
Thanks buddy
This is why I love T3 he's a no bullshit watch reviewer
Many spot on observation I'de say. I own Seiko, Orient, and many other "value" autos. My Seiko 55 Fathoms is perhaps the best looking watch in my box (sorry Swiss neighbors). Reliable, accurate, and yes I can "beat the crap" out of them. Staring at the movement, through the case back, just seems like Horology 101 to me. Keep it up TT.
I've heard that you're supposed to service your watch every 5-10 years. In your opinion, how long should I wait to service my watch?
Great video, full of wisdom and timely reminders 👍😀 Thanks!
Hey Jory - thanks for sharing, always appreciated.
My watches tell me when they need service. When the accuracy or power reserve change for the worse, if it has been five or more years, the watch goes for service.
Great advice and I'd go nuts without my watch winder.
I wore a Panerai (PAM388) to work putting it in a pocket sometimes but worn while using angle grinders and around high voltage (welding) for about 6 months before suddenly it started behaving strangely (running erratically)... so I put it aside assuming It would be an expensive service bill. Turned out it had just magnetized internally and worked like new a year later. I don't wear it in the shop anymore... but it took a lot of abuse.
Great video. All great points and I agree with your opinions within this video.
I have found quite good movements in affordable watches, The Myiota 8203,Citizen, seiko 7s26, 4r35, 6r36, Seagull st 1901,and others
I think it’s funny how most watches would be fine in the situations you said, but my watch is broken because I manually wound it and the auto wind works doesn’t work anymore, good thing it’s a $12 watch haha.
Beautiful video are learned a lot from you thank you for your knowledge God bless
Great vid! Where can I see you talking about the bad expensive watches?
Jory, wonderful video and thank you very much for putting this information out there!
May I ask, what about getting your watch magnetized? Does this happen easily and have is ever happened to any of your watches?
Your example on car idling is not really true. Sure if the car is left outside for like a month the tires will temporarily deform but it should be fine. Idling a car however is actually really bad for it if its done frequently and long periods of time (appx 20 minutes to an 1 hour more). The reason is because the engine compartment gets hotter than normal as the air is not passing through it as it would if you were driving. Hotter conditions inside the engine compartment can cause hoses to wear out and crack prematurely. Having the engine compartment hotter than normal is just bad, it also can cause the diodes in the alternator to fail prematurely causing AC current to be sent to the batteries and vehicle components. This is why the light flicker when the alternator goes bad. If not diagnosed in time youll have to replace more than an alternator.
The point here is cars are meant to be driven down the road. If the machine isn’t being used as design it can cause premature failure.
But your point remains true i think, as long as the watch is doing what its designed to do your not hurting it unless the manufacturer specifically says avoid xyz
Your Watch Maker impression is on point 💯 😂
Thanks for the great information that has definitely set my mind at ease with my first automatic! What winders were those in your video?
Been rewatching your videos. God bless
Thanx helps me to go for it! You rock!
Agreeing with all BUT the watchwinder stuff. And I am a watch tech. These things are ok to put the watch in the evening and pick it up the next morning with the autowind already charged. BUT it is definitively detrimental to have a watch constantly on them. You basically shorten the life of it and/or make the need for a service more frequent.
Keep the watch in a watch box and when you need to put it on, just handwind it and use it, that's it.
Ah, and having a car engine hidling all the time will lack the cylinders due to low pressure on the piston rings and therefore oil blowby. So, better if you just speak about thing you really know...
Thank you, it was very helpfull. Cheers from Brasil.
Seiko is literally analogous to Toyota. I have a Bullhead Chrono that was manufactured in 1976 and has never been serviced and keeps excellent time.
My Hamilton Jazz, on the other hand, wasn’t sealed properly from the factory and had to go in for service for 2 months after owning it for a week. It was kinda like a BMW.
Tks! Jory. Guess I will stick to my (inexpensive) (quartz) G-Shock.
This helped my anxiety level with my new/first mechanical! Haha
Thanks for the information. Very educational
Inspired by you I pulled the trigger and bought my first automatic, the SKX009. I'm totally overjoyed and form the looks of it I was just in time before they ran out of stock...so thanks for helping me make that life changing decision. Now I wanted to ask if you would prefer buying an entry level quartz Tissot, because after all it's Swiss...or an automatic at the same price point (somewhere around $200). Just wondering...thanks.
What kind of watch winder were those ?
Thank you for this video. I’m just starting to get into watches and this is helpful. Some of my coworkers that got me into watches spend (what I think is) an exorbitant amount of money on multiple watches. For now I’m just looking to buy 1-2 good automatics for multiple situations. Thanks again Time Teller.
I’ve 2 Bulova automatic watches from 1970 and they have not been serviced and run well. One is about a minute slow per day and SHOULD be serviced, but the other is -14 seconds a day. AFTER 50 years! You can go a LONG time with no service with a well-made and properly lubricated movement. I have it on good authority that unless your watch NEEDS a service, you should not open it up until necessary. Unlike a car (which does need frequent service and oil changes to keep the heat and metal in oil from tearing apart an engine), a watch will not be destroyed. Most likely the lubrication will dry up or gum up and you’ll gain/lose significant time... but once serviced (cleaned and lubricated), it’s A-OK. But there are other factors... environment, moisture, particulates in the air, proximity to electrical fields/magnetism, etc. So sometimes in very rough or challenging conditions (for anything mechanical), a regular service interval isn’t bad. But a watch with an easy life in a stable, temperate atmosphere that remains sealed can go a LONG time.
Okay, the car analogy was not dumb. It was a good one to pick. Cars were engineered to be driven, not stored or be trailer queens.
Good solid advice.
I am a student and own a Seiko 5 Automatic and I wear it everyday. I need to take bumpy public transport, sometimes the watch hit the desk while making notes, sometimes I run climb the stairs. I cant take care of my watch like a baby because of lack of time and other priorities. Is it fine for a budget Automatic watch or am I doing something wrong ? EXPERTS PLEASE HELP CAUSE I DONT WANT MY WATCH DEAD
Hey Jory, ever think about doing a "Rate my Collection" segment? Rate some collection pics from istagram or something along those lines? Love your stuff. Thanks for all the great information and laughs.
One thing your said I don't think is correct. When an automatic watch is wound down and you need to wind it back up, DON'T shake it! Either put it on your wrist and make a few gentle movements or manually wind it a bit. But definately don't shake from side to side it to activate the rotor movement.
Hello @The Time Teller I got my first ever automatic Seiko SKX and I let my watch die for the first time in the month I had it and, when I reset the time it was on the correct day date, but the day looks like it's more up in the air going towards the 12 and I'm afraid I already broke the day date complication. Help!
Jory, love the channel! I have learned a lot since I started my watch journey last year. At this point my understanding is that a cheap watch winder is “bad” because the electric motor could magnetize your watch. The better watch winders shield and protect your watch from this.
The watch I wear the most is a €72 Seiko Automatic... and if you look to Chinese brands, you can get an automatic for even cheaper!
Of course my grail is a A.Lange & Sohne Datograph Chrono... but I’ll need a big lottery win to be able to afford it...
I like to keep a rotation of watches on my winders (Boxy BTW, thanks for the reccomendation) so I have a choice of grab 'n' go watches, whether quartz or auto.