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- Just recently, Catholics were devastated to learn of another case of sexual abuse, this time involving Jean Vanier, the esteemed founder of L'Arche and a man once considered to be a living saint. Vanier, who passed away last year, was accused of sexually assaulting six women in France, using his religious position to abuse and manipulate them. How do we make sense of all this? How can a man who produced enormous good fruit fail so abysmally? And how should Catholics respond to this sort of abuse, and prevent it from happening again? Bishop Barron offers advice on all these questions and more.
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I think the real saints are the ones not known or seen. The everyday christians who suffer quietly in this world while trying there best to live in obedience to Jesus
*I think that too.*
There is a legend that the praise for building the Cathedral of St. Sofia was not given to the Emperor Constantine but to Euphrasia, a poor widow who drew from her mattress "a wisp of straw and gave it to the oxen" that drew the marble from the ships. That was all, she did nothing more.
Well, we all know how Jesus praised another poor widow who dropped *'the entire cash she had' (two copper coins to be exact)* into the temple's offering box.
Well said
I think its a nice thought but the saints are those who have gone before us and set an example so in some ways we need to be aware of their existence. Think of Mary, if we never knew of her existence and she didn't interact with humanity through her apparitions, do you feel that the Church would be better for it? I absolutely think there are some very powerful saints who we know next to nothing about but the value of saints is varied as there are people in the church or cells in the body.
@@marypinakat8594 is not a legend is PLAIN TRUTH ! .
@@marypinakat8594 you should stop giving your straw to the ass Barron he is pulling the cart to Hell.
Can't think of a figure as inspiring as Bishop Robert Barron in my own country of England. One can only hope. But I'm grateful and humbled that the evangelising message can speak in its purity to my heart.
Please thank Bishop Barton from me for always providing a calm and loving message in our hours of suffering.
We love you dearly. 😇🙏🏻⛪️.
Thank you for being here☆
Bishop Barron IS a HOLY PRIEST loyal to the Body of Christ !
@@marypinakat8594 so cute how you are Barron's cheerleader yay!!1 Barron, Barron, he's our man if he can't do it nobody can yayyyy!!! team.
@@raulbaquero5081 Barron is a WOLF IN SHEEP CLOTHING loyal to his father. The FATHER OF LIES !!
I hope you will get out of this evil mess.
I might be a non beliver, but i still think the church is a net good in the world.
Best wishes!
That's too bad. Every time a topic like this comes up you can see in Brandon's and Bishop Barron's eyes how deeply hurt they are about things like this going on inside the Catholic church.
Scandal is not necessarily fact or actual truth.
Stabu,
Deeply appreciate your comment.
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The Father and the Son are Parents of the Holy Spirit, if many churches are correct.Stay home to avoid coronavirus and flu. If many churches are correct, The Trinity is a Family-- two Parents and a Progeny, just like a human family.(Humans are created in the "image" and "likeness" of God according to Genesis 1:26) In the book of Job, which is part of the Bible, the Lord is compared to a father and also a mother with a womb "From whose womb comes the ice? Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens?"-Job 38:29. Because God can also be thought of like a mother (Isaiah 42:14, Isaiah 66:13, Matthew 23:37), all three roles (father,mother,progeny) in a basic human family are filled in the Trinity. Saying the Father and the Son are Parents of the Holy Spirit is simply another way of saying "the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son" which has been official Catholic doctrine for centuries. The Church teaches that the Son is begotten from the Father. If this is true, the Father is the Father (Parent)of the Son. The Church teaches that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. If this is true, the Father and the Son are the Parents of the Holy Spirit. If the Church considers Mary as mother(parent) of God even if Mary isn't the first source of Christ's humanity(God is the first source), then the Son can also be rightly called a Parent of God(the Holy Spirit). The scriptures are vague if the Holy Spirit is the 3rd or 2nd Person of the Trinity, whichever of these is true, the 1st and the 2nd may be the Parents of the 3rd. Stay home to avoid corona virus and flu.Parent definition: One that begets or brings forth offspring. Stay home to avoid corona virus and flu.
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I thank the Good Lord daily for making Bishop Robert Barron and sending him to all of us as a gift.
Part of our work is to pray for the church, to pray for those leaders. They are always tempted by evil.
I agree. They need our prayers.
Sincere appreciation☆
Huge God bless☆
Amen
Excellent video! The point about us being "recovering sinners" really struck home with me. The Church is not a museum of saints, but a hospital for sinners. We need the support, prayers, and help of each other, that's what the Church is for! In the Hail Mary we pray "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, Amen." I think also about the words of our Lord when he was questioned by the Pharisees about eating with sinners:
Matthew 9:10-13
Later, as Jesus was dining at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with Him and His disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they asked His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
Viva Cristo Rey!
👏👏👏👏👏❤🙏❤
I couldn’t have said it better
Church leader I trust is our Bishop Barron.
As a 'former priest' I can say that the adulation of laity is not a source of grace
I'm from the Czech Republic 🇨🇿 (former Czechoslovakia)! I'm amazed you know Václav Havel, thank you for acknowledging us Your Excellency!
Hi from Poland. No surprise to me. Bishop Barron is an intellectual and a scholar.
@@yanallaa8586 Moja matka jest z Polski 😁
@@spaceslav8954 Super.
Hey, Václav Havel isn't obscure! :)
@@etienne-victordepasquale668 I don't remember hearing an American talking about him (I was a kid when he was president).
This is such a confusing time. When i heard "stay and fight", the Church Militant position made sense to me, but I've come to realize that your proposition here is the correct one. We "stay and fight" by girding our loins to be holy and resolute. Thanks for the reminder and your steadfast example.
This. CM is toxic.
@@lardiop thank you 👍
Absolutely brethren. Church Militant has good intent - I hope and I wish, but it doesn’t seem like to embrace the message of Divine Mercy and charity
Amen. Stay and fight evil till our last breath.
lardiop how so? Exposing corruption is toxic? Would you prefer to close a blind eye to this corruption until it devours the church?
Thank you Bishop Barron for addressing this troubling topic. I was a great admirer of Jean Vanier and am very sad and disappointed in this revelation. But as you have correctly stated we are all recovering sinners. I love that insight and will try and stay close to this sacramental church in spite of the struggles we continue to face. To whom shall we go?
Dear Berna....to Jesus, Mary and Joseph, they are waiting for us with OPEN HEART AND ARMS
Ave Maria !
Bishop barron explains things so different...i haven't been to church the last 10 years and i have even fought against it but i have been roughed up by life and conviced God exist..but cant admit it cause I've created a character that i feel is convenient around most people i know
Is anybody in that situation?
Tigres, please do as Jesus taught. Please learn from his gospels. You can be strong. Just don't let worldly people shape who you should be.
You are loved!
I love the Church. Bishop touched on this topic once before reminding all of us that scandal in the Church is nothing new. Look back to King David or even before that time. We need to continue to pray for our Clergy and the the Church as a whole. These moments are always heartbreaking. Instead of leaving the Church...help to lead the Church. This is why my husband and I have made efforts to become Catechists.
King David did repent and God forgave him, but there were lasting consequences. I worry somewhat about the future of the Christianity as a whole, especially in the minds of millenials and their descendants.
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That worry doesn't seem to come from the Spirit of God.
@@marypinakat8594 I'm only human, I know thats not a good excuse but I hate seeing my faith damaged by evil men. I can't stand it when people claiming to serve Christ, do things to shoot him in the foot (like tormenting children for their own sexual gratification).
@@twistedyogert
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We should always remember is that we’re human beings, we’re sinners, I don’t judge, I am unworthy to condemn, but to pray for the victims, and the forgiveness of God for the failings of any one that fails God, especially those in the priesthood, and the leaders of the church ⛪️ of CHRIST!!! May God forgive us, all!!!
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Forgive us Lord, sometimes we leap into sin. ♡ your message - a Blessing thank you.
Thanks Bishop Barron. Great stuff!
I'm watching this 3 months after it premiered, and am amazed at how relevant it is at this exact time, especially the part of starting with Savonarola.
I think that there are two big questions that come from this.
1/ Does a person's sins negate a person's good deeds?
2/ Can we emulate people while still acknowledging their flaws?
I had thought you would be discussing the fact that the Vatican archives concerning Pope Pius XII and his role concerning persecutions of non-Catholics during WWII and the 13 years after the end of the war (when he could have, but didn't , condemn mass murder) are being opened to researchers.
Thank you for your wisdom on this sensitive topic.
These revelations are horrible but just imagine how many victims of clerical sexual abuse have lived over the centuries without any exposure of the criminals or any justice.
Just imagine how much sexual abuse goes on the guise of "free love" and "choice" and babies being taken to see drag shows . The scandals in the Church are scandals becuase we expect the Church to be good. Many far worse and more numerous scandals outside the Church are celebrated as freedom.
For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God
You're absolutely right Bishop, we are always surrounded by Evil and Temptation but we just have to Cling to the Lord Jesus 🙏
This is the real problem and has always been the problem: the elevation of mere motals to a perfection we are all barely capable of achieving correctly while in this life. We can, only, but be fairly acceptable, humble and very repentant once we err. The rest is left upto God.
It is very uncomfortable to always quite naturally try to do good and then suddenly certain individuals rush to elevate: praise and raise your spiritual position.
Who, therefore, can really define a true saint? For instance, if King David lived today, we would all be presumably 'dissappointed', if we heard that he robbed a man of his wife and worse still got him killed, saying : "how could he... ? We thought he was holy..." and yet today he is still an icon, even to me.... Who again, therefore, knows how truly repentant an honest heart may be (Matthew 7:1-5)? Let us pay attention to correcting your defects and avoid dwelling on how so and so has dissapointed us: was he holding your heart or was he holding your will? Was he your foundation, or is it Jesus? If we continue like this, we will have no Catholics (Christians) left. Take the good that he did, for your reference and discard the wrong and move on!
...and people, stop looking at people. Look at God - always God. We are all simply vessels! We crack anytime and that is acceptable and only God can piece us back together when we make the effort to rise. Yes, go to confession, seek counsel, but do not worship the one who guides you. Worship God. The one who guides you is probably at any instant actually using his/her own experience(s) to help you stay up, but instead you rush to call him/her perfect! We are NOT perfect!
Caròline Ceciliä amen!!!
Cool, sister you appear more reasonable and realistic with human nature and Catholic Christian faith. Thank you.
Peace be with you dear sister and may the Merciful Lord bless you, Ave Maria IMMACULATE !
I can define a true saint. A true saint is one who Follows Christ and His teachings. One who is a child of God. Not mealymouthed wolves in sheep clothing like Barron.
@@BJ-rg8hj Then there is only one Saint. For all of us save for the Blessed Virgin Mary are sinners. All of us have and do fail. And the Pharisees followed the letter of the law, but they killed Christ. Do not think we can not be Pharisees in the New Covenant and just as in the old, there is still no life for those with stone hearts. Pray for those you see sinning and look to praise God for the good they can do. We have no right to complain, we are all worthy of damnation. Hold up the Cross to one's own face first. Be thankful there is anyone even in the chair and that we have any bishops at all. God could have not made a promise, yet He did and we have shepards even if they be just as flawed as we. Do not grumble in this desert. God bless you.
Well, Judas is alive and well. I used to wonder why Christ picked, as one of his apostles, the very man that would betray him. I believe now, it was to prepare us for those who would eventually, betray us.
AMEN !
The Coffee Clutch - I must confess that i never heard that application of scripture: to prepare us for those who would betray us. Perhaps. But I don't think so.
Read Psalm ch. 41 v 9. Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, who did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.
That verse is a prophecy referring to Judas. The Bible is Spirit inspired and the Lord Jesus chose Judas in fulfillment of what the scriptures had said. The choice was according to the predeterminate counsels of God. Jesus said: I know whom I have chosen.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 God also says that He never made any man to commit evil though. And did not the nation of Israel and the Temple just as readily fulfill that?
It is tempting but ultimately on God knows and perhaps the Saints who have asked Him.
Yes we are all sinners, but not once did anyone comment on the impact on the victims. It was about the disappointment and impact on the Church. It's a human tragedy.
Yes, Bishop. You speak truth to my heart when you say: « You cannot will yourself out of bad will » Let me suggest another haha moment for me: « You cannot will yourself out of free will ». Jean Vanier, whom I still hold close to my heart, has met God. As much as I would rather be judged by God than by Luther or Calvin like minded priests or lay people, I can be a witness to choosing those slow and deceiving descent where points of no return are experienced. Sin is not repugnant, it dangles a powerful appearance of goodness. Lent is a good time for me to put in safeguards, structures of support that remind me of « thus far and no further ».
Lévis
Let’s pray for oll priest and nuns of the world please nice people 🙏☹️
Only God knows what is in a mans heart.
I have no doubt that acts and situations like this are devastating.
Something that a former parish priest (pastor) used to say in his homilies:
“By whom do we come to the Church for? And he used to say don't come to the Church because of me for the reason that I may fail and fall tomorrow, or next week, or next month, or next year. By this I mean when we less imagine I may fail and fall.” This is something that we all (in some less or in others more) are exposed.
Once a holy priest and religious of the Order of Mercy (the Mercedarians founded by St. Peter Nolasco) told me that “the most famous of the saints that we can visualize and imaging in this life, without a doubt could be the greatest of sinners.”
This happened about 200 years ago ...
"Napoleon Bonaparte: I am going to destroy his Church (very sure of himself, he had ordered the arrest of Pope Pius VI into exile until death, with the warning of “Last Pope”).
Cardinal Consalvi: No, you will not be able (with peace of mind).
Napoleon Bonaparte: I'm going to destroy his Church! (raising his voice)
Cardinal Consalvi: No sir, don't waste your time trying to destroy the Church. We've tried it from the inside, and we couldn't get it.”
“But I tell you, that you are Peter, and on this stone, I will build my church; and the power of hell shall not prevail against it” (Mt. 16:18).
Today, more than ever we must be very certain that Christ himself is the number one reason why we go to the Church and try our best to collaborate in the pastoral and evangelizing mission of the Church.
tipseason Rex you state a legitimate possibility but unfortunately these sins of the past and present, for that matter, are so grave that it blackens even the good and innocent clergy. It forces public opinion to assume guilt as a protective mechanism. This would not be the case if it were dealt with quickly and severely but some have protected it instead.
tipseason Rex no, I agree if the allegations are false. And yes there should be a limit to how long you wait to bring charges unless there is overwhelming evidence of guilt. I never meant to insinuate the CC hid someone who had charges but rather have in individual cases not thoroughly investigated cases.
The mass of people must be taught to practice these principles (austerity, cleanliness, mercy and truthfulness) from childhood. Austerity means to accept voluntarily things which may not be very comfortable for the body but are conducive for spiritual realization, for example, fasting. Fasting twice or four times a month is a sort of austerity which may be voluntarily accepted for spiritual realization only, and not for any other purposes, political or otherwise. Fastings which are meant not for self-realization but for some other purposes are condemned in the Bhagavad-gītā (BG 17.5-6). Similarly, cleanliness is necessary both for the mind and for the body. Simply bodily cleanliness may help to some extent, but cleanliness of the mind is necessary, and it is effected by glorifying the Supreme Lord.
Thank you so much, dear Bishop, for always educating us. This is very helpful.
It’s very disheartening to hear about Jean Vanier. I looked at him as such a beautiful person, which he may still be, but this is such a tarnish, such a terrible thing to learn about someone who exemplified Christ-like behavior in his dealings with the mentally challenged
In my opinion, a saint is someone who, in a moment of crisis, shows heroic virtue. Saints are not really always nice, always kind, always selfless. Not at all. Every saint has needed forgiveness. More than once. They are all too human; but, in a moment of crisis, they show heroic virtue. To me, that is sanctity.
Its a lesson, for us not to canonize people while they are alive or too soon after death. No schools or streets named after the living. Give it 50 years or so.
Whenever I think about doing some potentially great ministry with my life, I think, I’d have to say all the time, ‘I am a sinner, lord, please help keep me from sin but people need to know I am human.’
Dear Bishop Barron, i have profound respect and admiration for your ministry. Deeply thankful for all that I have learned and being inspired by you. In my dreams I see you and Fr. John Riccardo from Acts XXIX, having a conversation about how to present a more consistent proclamation of the gospel. I think it would help enormously to the efforts of evangelization. For some evil is more like a symbol and for others, worse than your worst nightmare!
Thanks much, seeing this 2 years after it came out. Wondering why only 65k have watched this and not many, many more!
Bless the world today and everyone in it today especially those who need the most!
I gree, you are the all time Best!!! Thank you Bishop 😊
I find the answer 'we are all sinners' completely unacceptable. If the upper echelon of clergy in the catholic church 'are sinners too', then there is no point in turning to this organization for spiritual guidance. God apparently doesn't remove his grace or intervene in any way when his church is defiled by sex predators.
That's just what Christianity has always taught.
If you're at all familiar with history or the Bible, you'll see that every single person including biblical personages old and new are sinners.
Expecting the hierarchy to be sinless is a heresy that was condemned 1800 years ago, because it goes against human nature and creation as it is to expect anyone to be sinless.
To Darryl. Then which organization do you go? Be specific.. If u can't think of one, then stay and fight.
God bless you
Is anyone ever going to be held responsible for the McCarrick scandal? A person, with a name.
Not from most of the US bishops
Thanks for this helpful talk.
The temptation to idolize the saints is something to which Protestants might say Catholics have already fallen. As a former Protestant, I really appreciate Bishop Barron's "Catholic response" to the question "are you saved?" If you are Catholic and not very strong in knowledge of your faith, this question just might be the thing to make you fall away. I remember thinking, the Catholics never taught me about true salvation. How much more true would salvation be when even the saints might not have it?
As a current Protestant with a significant appreciation for much of Catholicism, I really think that both many Catholics and many protestants succumb to that same problem, just in different manifestations. For Catholics, I think it manifests as improperly looking to the Saints and to Mary (and, too often, in conjunction with not looking to Jesus- despite His physical presence) along with misunderstanding papal infallibility. For protestants, this long-standing problem is the exhortation to not question pastors because “God made them pastors” (and things along these lines) and the problem in the contemporary charismatic church (the aspect of Protestantism that I am currently most familiar with) is the celebrity-elevation of exuberant and fervor-generating leaders with varying titles and/or monetarily and often socially lucrative churches. For Protestants in both cases, the problem really is what Bishop Baron alludes to for Catholics, the desire to find living Saints- but we (humans), particularly as individuals, are not the ones who can determine who is or is not a saint. For protestants it is that exact mindset (i.e. looking for living Saints), but unfortunately it typically is a much more shallow route to the conclusion.
As to the question “are you saved,“ that was not something that the denomination I was baptized in harped on like so much of the protestant church seems to, so it was really something I had to get used to later. Honestly, it seems to come from the false once saved always saved or “eternal security“ doctrine that has infiltrated and corrupted the mindset of very much of the church, protestant, Catholic, and presumably orthodox alike (though I am pretty unfamiliar with things on the Orthodox side). This is, of course, despite that for many or most whom it has corrupted they would never admit to it or point to it on paper in doctrine or in various teachings. Because of that corruption and probably in tandem with it, there is an extreme emphasis on the “moment“ of salvation across protestant churches, and a problematic and tragic hyper over-emphasis on evangelism everywhere you look with no focuses on edification or sanctification (the latter of which Bishop Baron talks about here- though he never specifically uses the word). For protestants, evangelism usually takes some form of getting people to events or inside of church doors no more than once or maybe a couple or a few times, and usually ends with the evangelized saying some kind of prayer, responding to some kind of altar call, or getting baptized. For Catholics in the same vein, evangelism usually looks like getting people to go through the motions of the sacraments at least once with questionable variances in catechesis and only arguably apparent repentance and commitment beforehand. Everyone wants to be a fisherman, but no one wants to be a shepherd, as it usually is a lot easier to catch even thousands of fish and hand them off to someone else (or assume that once you’ve caught them that their journey is complete) than it is to have an intentional and long-lasting relationship with even one sheep. I think it is no coincidence that in the beginning of their journey Jesus told Saint Peter that He would make him a fisher of men, but near the end of their journey He told him to feed His sheep.
I’ll stop here; my apologies for the length of my rant.
M Graham not quite sure what you mean when you say that the false doctrine of once saved always saved has infiltrated both Protestant and Catholic alike but the CC has never taught this doctrine. It teaches that both justification and regeneration occur together in baptism but can be lost when a person fails to follow God’s law. This is a failure to keep ones baptismal vows.
@@mikazoftstrom2343 I am glad to hear that the Church has never taught this doctrine. I did not expect that it ever had been a thing, but I am glad nevertheless to hear it the confirmation. It is not the teaching itself that has infiltrated the Church, but rather the mindset of it. In the churches that actually teach OSAS, there is an emphasis on the "moment" of salvation, usually accompanied by reciting a prayer or responding to an altar call (i.e. going up to a stage with a few or a bunch of other people because the preacher was emotionally provocative and the person "getting saved" got caught up in the moment). The teaching goes even further to outright claim that once you have experienced this "moment," no matter what you do, regardless of whether you actually believe in Jesus or not-let alone have a faithful and repentant relationship with Him-you can and will never by any means "lose your salvation." In effect, a few seconds of the outward appearance of faith has somehow become enough to supplant an entire lifetime of faithful repentance (the aspect of the lifetime is especially true when kids are "saved" in this manner at age 5 or 6).
This mindset is common in Catholicism with the droves of Catholics who claim that "I am saved because I am Catholic" and other phrasings to similar effect. The thought seems to either tie into or come from the common belief that all nominal Catholics go to heaven (this part has strong parallels to the self-serving attitudes of Protestant denominationalism). Grow up culturally Catholic, maybe occasionally go to Mass as a child, and many claim that that is enough. Perhaps to get more technical, be baptized and confirmed and receive first Communion as a child at the prompting of your grandparents, but never be properly catechized, never believe in the faith, and certainly never live it, but that is still enough. I admit that I am not strongly familiar with Catholic teaching on who will or will not be saved, but surely it has more depth and breadth than a hollow nominalism with sprinkles of orthodox upbringing.
@Collins Anosike First, I want to make sure that we are on the same page here as far as Jesus goes, for "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God." In other words, there was Jesus before Mary, and without Jesus there would be no Mary, not the other way around. However, without Mary there would be no "And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us." There would be no incarnation, no earthly ministry, no crucifixion, no resurrection, no ascension, no church, and no hope for any of us. Regardless of whether God could have found another way (He is God, after all), Mary was His chosen way. As such, though I do not personally look to Mary as my own mother, I by no means condemn or mean to seem as if I condemn any Catholics or anyone else who do look to her as such. In like fashion, I agree that any Catholics and anyone else who believes in the Saints as such should look to them for prayers and inspiration. I would actually take it a step further and say don't just look to Mary and the other Saints, but converse with them and have relationships with them.
I did not think to clarify in my original comment, but I speak primarily of Catholics in the US and to a lesser extent in the rest of the westernized world, not of those in the world overall- I am simply too unfamiliar with the Church in the midst of other cultures around the world. Furthermore, I never intended to comment on or disagree with any part of the Catechism, but rather on what notable portions of Catholics believe and do that is contrary to the Catechism. For instance, there are very many who look to Mary and/or the Saints without ever looking to Jesus. There are even those who place Mary equal to or above Jesus. This is what I was referring to when I said "improperly looking to Mary and the Saints," not that looking to them at all is inherently improper, but rather that deifying or otherwise idolizing them is improper.
I was actually having a similar conversation with my best friend last summer, a young man who earned his MATS from Franciscan University in Steubenville and who is currently in a doctoral program with Catholic University of America as well as is discerning the Priesthood. I stated that there are far too many Catholics who participate in the Mass and the Sacraments purely as a ritual, but he was adamant that because of the visceral and vital reality of the Sacraments, especially the Eucharist, the percentage of Catholics who practice only out of habit or cultural upbringing is negligibly and vanishingly small (though he was doubtful that such Catholics even exist). Within a few weeks of that conversation, however, came the devastating news that a heartbreaking 70% of Catholics don't believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, what the Catechism calls "the source and summit of the Christian life." Despite that I don't personally believe in the Real Presence, I actually cried when I heard this news, the news that the majority of Catholics have either lost or never actually had their own faith- even as they have Jesus physically present and even physically abide within them at every single Mass, not to mention the ongoing opportunity for so many to physically worship in His presence at adoration. If you want evidence that far too many Catholics don't believe in or follow the Catechism or, by extension, the Catholic Church herself, this is unfortunately one of the most significant pieces of that evidence that can exist.
I would also like to make a note here about what Protestants from at least the last century or so say about the Catholic Church and her teachings and, moreover, why they say it. For the most part, it is not that they "take delight in preaching lies and hate about Catholic teachings in a bid to deceive and discourage Catholics from the faith." You are, however, spot on with your observation that they tend to have zero knowledge of Catholicism. Instead, there are at this point very many Protestants who have simply been taught wrong information about Catholic teachings by family members, in church, and in school, as well as many Protestants who were at one time poorly catechized Catholics who fell away from the Church with no particular Protestant influence and later go on to teach or preach as fact the misinformation that they gained from their own experience. It is incredibly unfortunate, I would say even despicable how much and how often Protestants speak out of ignorance against the Catholic Church without ever even beginning to bother looking into what the Church actually teaches. Nevertheless, their agenda is not usually to turn Catholics against their faith, but rather to win Catholics and others to their own denominations by way of claiming that "Catholicism is wrong, but we are right." Mind you, this exact practice goes on against all other Protestant denominations, as well- presenting straw man arguments based on ignorance and misinformation to "prove" that the other churches are wrong and theirs-and only theirs-is right. I guarantee you that 0% of the time that this is happening are Jesus and the Gospel being preached, and while the Holy Spirit is able to reach the hearts of some through it, it is primarily because He is a miracle worker and almost never because of the actual rhetoric. In short, Protestants who teach and/or preach this way are usually not "delighting in lies and hatred" or directly intending to draw Catholics away from their faith, but rather are acting out of either arrogance or shallow faith , basing what they say on either partial information or misinformation, and attempting to bring others to their own churches and ways of thinking and believing. As a footnote on the topic, I, like you, want Protestants (and everyone else) to cite the Catechism when they make claims about or against Catholic teaching, and it is the rampant failure of Protestants in this regard that has actually led me to more hours of conversation in defensive apologetics on behalf of the Catholic Church than in defense of any other church, denomination, or belief system aside from the Bible and the Gospel as a whole.
I agree, we should not at all forget about the Saints, and I think that the aspects of Protestantism that have neglected them are missing the greatest body in existence of faithful examples from whom they could be learning. Lord willing, neither I nor any of my family will ever have to be martyred for their faith in such a way. I know I should personally pray for martyrdom (at least I think I know this), but I am not that strong in my own faith.
Thank you for clarifying on what I had previously heard called "the three levels of worship." I think that the terminology of honors, high honors, and worship is much more helpful, at least in my mind and for my context, and I expect that I will remember and use them from now on. I am less likely to remember the Latin terms, however, as I am simply too unfamiliar with Latin for them to properly stick.
Overall, thank you for engaging me in all of these points. It is obvious that you care very deeply about the Catholic Church, her teachings, and our Lord Jesus Christ, and I only want to encourage and strengthen you in that passionate faith. I definitely look forward to your reply. Yours in Christ, M D Graham.
M Graham true. Everything you describe is the opposite of Catholic doctrine and comes directly from Protestant, Luther’s, teaching. It’s a forensic declaration from God that a person is justified due to their belief in Jesus. Therefore at judgement God does not see the sinner but the virtue of Jesus instead. This is blasphemy to assume God can’t see the truth. As you say, because salvation is foreign to the believer he no longer has any responsibility to maintain it. The CC teaches that the sacrifice on Calvary permits one to be saved but only if a person repents of their sins and follows God’s law. This is not possible without grace from God due to our fallen nature. This grace comes not only by leading a good life but through prayer, penance, and the sacraments (as Jesus said “I will be with you till the end of the age”. This is His true presence in the sacraments, namely the Eucharist.
To be a sinner is no excuse for leading people astray, they need to repent publicly, go to confession and either change or leave., of course if they don't change they can't be forgiven in confession, accepting that some of our leaders are astray is not sufficient we need these people disciplined we need to put things back the way they should be. The Church needs not reform it needs a house cleaning of the bad leaders, the leaders who are pretending the church needs to have its traditions, and teachings diluted.
"Do not let us fall into temptation." - Pope Francis
*"I have been there yesterday; it's just that I didn't give in."* - JESUS
We are God's Army of WOUNDED soldiers (RECOVERING sinners).
*A necessary check for being a genuinely 'FUNCTIONAL' Catholic* would be in terms of his/her approaching (exclusively) of the Sacrament of Confession. While Confession brings healing, finding myself having to frequent it, is also the necessary and important reminder that I *am never ever permanently whole.*
*Making a Good Confession (Examining Your Conscience)*
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I'm sorry, No. I can accept that some of our clergy, being human and therefore flawed men behaved miserably. But I cannot accept the way the Bishops, at least here in the USA, handled these cases. I actually read the entire disgusting ~880 pages of the Pennsylvania Grand Jury report, and it was the actions of the bishops which horrified me the most.
At the end of it, there was only one solution. All of the Bishops should have resigned. All of them. Start over.
Apparently NOT ONE of them had the moral certainty to stand up at the annual conferences of the USCCB and publicly say "No! This is wrong! My famous (or not famous) colleague is an enabler of the worst type".
When bishops cannot uphold the very sentence of the Confiteor, which they say in every Mass, asking forgiveness "for what I have done AND FOR WHAT I HAVE FAILED TO DO", they have lost all credibility with me.
Fortunately, the body and the faith of the Catholic Church is to be found in the people, not in the Bishops, though it might seem otherwise to them.
Only when we have a new group of Bishops, upholding faith and decency, will this nightmare of a problem be put to rest.
I'm sorry it will take down some good and holy men, but we the Catholic People did not create the problem.
“For what I have failed to do”-You made me cry over this one. Not so long ago, a police officer got a call.. He had to choose to report or cover up. It was about his own father, with whom he is very close. He made the right decision and it devastate him. He suffer depression, because while crying, he put his own father in jail. It’s about pedophilia.
Nothing is jet proven, but his father is already molested in jail by other prisoners.
Remaines onley one- someone righteous was brutally killed 2000 years ago! So what if one priest is accused? If innocent, should be proud to suffer in Jesus name! If not innocent, why shouldn’t take responsibility for own actions?
I don’t belive covering up will bring anything good! We accuse others for persecution and never accuse ourself for what we FAILED TO DO! May dear God bless us all❤️
@@laleydelamor1327 This is a horrifing world, without God we would not have the strength to go on. God bless both of you
Christmas Sora So true, thank You! May dear God give us all strenght to go on! ❤️
The proper response truly is... to step into the breach.
Bishop Barron, your videos are a great source of insight into my beloved Church. I am very thankful to you and all your staff for the work you do. On this video, however, listening from a woman’s perspective, I heard about how disappointed and shocked you were at this current news. Disappointed that someone you held in such high regard disillusioned you. I would have liked to hear how you and all of you are outraged, not just disappointed. Think of the victims. I know you take this very seriously so I am not criticizing. I would have just liked a stronger condemnation. Just my humble opinion. Thank you.
I joined the Word on Fire Institute. It was a mistake. ... I ordered three of Bishop Barrons's books and said I would, of course, pay the postage (I live in Europe) but they refused to send me the books. All I got were emails, none of which explained WHY they wouldn't sell me the books. I am no longer a member of the Institute.
St Paul had his moments prior to conversion...often Catholics have a greater sense of saints than knowledge of Christ.
Can we have the old set back pls?
So, there are those in faith who set themselves up as "The Uncorrupted." They so often sit themselves upon a seat to condemn, yet their fall is always great while claiming they are so much more than we all.
Our warfare is not carnal. This is why we should cover ourselves with the whole armour of God.
I am Roman Catholic.If I was the Pope ,believe
me I would lead the Catholic Church with :-,
1.Listening.
2.Sharing.
3.Travelling-meeting the the Faithful throughout the World.
4.Looking at the Issues within the Church and
Resolving them.
5.I would call an Ecumenical Council (Vatican 3).for all the Bishop’s in the World.
We cannot change the Past,but we must look
forward to the Future.
In the Catholic Church,you have the
Traditionalists,Reformers and Modernists.
I was an Alter Boy with my brothers in the
1950’s and the 1960’s,and I loved the Latin
Mass and the Gregorian Chant.The Latin Mass
is still celebrated today.When I left University,
I was hoping to become a Priest,but it was not
to be.(I would have been a Good Priest).You
never know,I could off come a Cardinal,and
probably the next Pope.
It is Our Lord Jesus who decides our Journey
through Life.
So true.
This is excellent. (So glad the Bishop has moved away from von Balthazzar and his "reasonable hope that all men are saved"). I have moved from being a "recovering Anglican" to being a "recovering Catholic"! Very grateful for the Bishop's compassionate response to this very sad story of a brilliant man who felt a mission to so many vulnerable people, yet who who had such a dark side. It is for God, not us, to judge. "God, be merciful to me, a sinner".
Thanks, Rosalind, but who’s moving away from Balthasar?!
To me, the idea of always being a "recovering sinner makes sense because evil and moral failing is all pervasive and effects us all. However I don't think this is a good way to look at "addiction". Addiction is not all pervasive. It only effects some people. I think a better way to look at it is to see it as a choice - even the person taking a drink that he knows is going to mean he is not going to get up in the morning and is likely to be sacked is, at that moment, making a choice for happiness at that moment. I know families that have to live with the idea if addiction being a life-long recovery process for one of their family members and it makes their life, as well as the "addict's" life a kind of never-ending hell. Seeing it as a choice for happiness gets autonomy back, the "addict" moves on with their life (if they choose to) and the family is set free of the threat of constant "relapse" (i.e. choosing to drink again).
Rob Campbell And the choice to sin is exactly like that!
@@BishopBarron That's a good point, as usual Bishop, thanks! I should look at sin as a choice more than I do because this would help me practically in my life. I do think this way to an extent but probably the thought that we can't avoid sin completely makes me a bit defeatest. If choice was only about choices, why wouldn't we be able to, theoretically at least, always make the right choices and hence be blameless? This doesn't seem possible somehow. Hey, I'm not expecting an answer btw! I'm a great fan and you must be very busy and your videos are more than enough! Thanks.
Sometimes the greatest light casts the deepest shadows.
Hey your Excellency
I enjoyed this talk!,
I could argue with you on subjects,
yet I see the goodness In your heart.
So I’m spreading it around to people I know.
Keep up your good wok and mission.
With much love
Kevin Daum
Never trust people who demand absolute obedience. Remain cynical, always question their words and their motives. They always have an angle that benefits their own desires and those around them. Especially religious institutions.
Good thing the Church isn't "people" but rather an institution founded by Jesus Christ, who was God, so you can trust it!
Ryan Mills it’s run by people. It’s holy book is interpreted by people, it’s traditions and culture is created by people, many of whom have alterior motives behind the things they say God wants us to do/not do. Never be fooled by a smile and some rhetoric always question authority regardless of where it comes from.
I listen to Catholic leaders, including Bishop Barron, for whom I have a lot of respect, hem and haw and b.s. their way around these issues, throwing in enough "concern" to slide by, but refusing to boldly address the deep, repetitive, dogmatic, and fundamental corruption of the Catholic Church which is undoubtedly throwing up road block after road block to many God loving people, who are looking for help in forming an intimate relationship with God. I agree with many of Bishop Barron's basic arguments about Jean Vanier---Who are we to judge? We are all recovering sinners. We must participate in the life of the Church. The horrible actions and intents of some leaders shouldn't negate that they did a lot of good as well.---But in the end these arguments are tone deaf to the overall problem, and not nearly enough to be helpful. Many of us are left with the counterintuitive conviction that we are being led by charlatans who are primarily concerned with their own interests, using the Church, above God, and the best way to find our way toward God is through rejecting the misleading falseness of self serving, manipulative Catholic dogma, and the horrifying, hidden intentions of the "charismatic" Church leaders. My view is not related ONLY to Jean Vanier or all the sex abuse scandals, but I believe the trouble is systemic within the Catholic leadership, and has been causing it to fail for decades. Relating to my own efforts and journey to develop an intimate relationship with God, I hate, hate, hate this feeling and conviction, but any other view feels dishonest, and I have no idea where to turn to get any explanations and concern other than these rubber stamp defenses of the Church, and mortal threats to continue participating in the life of the Church, no matter haw far it chases me from God.
No! It is not just the sin in us. Most people on earth don't pray, know the scriptures, attend church or believe in God and would never abuse six psychologically debilitated women through profanation of spiritual truths. And then cover it up with lies. Bishop Barron is more severe in critiquing theological errors than this moral catastrophe.
NATENIN3 I fully agree with you. There is an abism between sins in general and taking advantage of his position to manipulate and sex abuse human beings (6 women that we know for the moment in this case). I can’t understand Pope Francis not taking a heavy handed stand on this matter in general! Specially after being fully informed by Vìgano and also from the 300 pages document Pope Benedict had and shared with Pope Francis.
With all due respect, has the Vatican released the report on McCarrick?
Marie22 Tully
*'With all due respect',* who are you (I mean your profile/credentials) and what prompts your query here at a podcast on *Bishop Robert Barron* Channel?
@ Mary I wasn’t aware I needed credentials to comment here. I just came back to the Church and I have questions about McCarrick and the fact that it’s been over a year and a half and no promised report from the Vatican
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That's a valuable information you are providing about yourself if you say you have returned to the Church. I would think that *Bishop Robert Barron* Channel is a great space for anyone to frequent.
No, no one needs qualifications *for comments ON A posted video.* You had a *query* unrelated to the current topic. Perhaps I have been wrong if I sensed some kind of 'demand' from your side. My apologies.
I am certain that Bishop Barron or the Channel is in no way responsible to relay news items of the kind that you have sought. To my knowledge Bishop is not related to Vatican for that or similar purposes.
Thank you for being here☆
@Mary Bishop Barron is this video stated that we have moved on from the McCarrick scandal. I do question that because of the fact that the Vatican hasn’t released the report.
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Bishop Barron is not discussing either McCarrick or Vanier in any *'official'* manner whatsoever.
The *Comments section* of TH-cam videos are space for COMMENTS.
Most Reverend Bishop Barron, please define the phrase used "full mez" used in this video. Thank you for sharing
Dear Bishop Barron, Last night I saw a dream, a Bishop tried to snatch my finger ring I did wrestle and he couldn't take it . He tried twice. I need your help and spritual guide.
I have two quotes right here from Martin Luther ☺️
Stubbornness should have been my middle name
~ Martin Luther ~
Rest in the Lord; wait patiently for Him. In Hebrew,
“Be silent in God, and let Him mold thee.” Keep still, and He will mold thee in the right shape.
~ Martin Luther ~
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This is the outcome of post V2 bishops refusing to take responsibility for homosexuality within the ranks of the Catholic church.
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'Who is there among us who is without fault?' Master Po. Character in the TV series, 'Kung Fu.'
Indeed, Sin is always at the door....
Stay with the Lord and Pray for our Religious Men and Women because they're Human too and Satan is always close to them to make them Fall from the Grace of God so that we're left with no Priest's! Please Pray for them 🙏
A saintly person eligible to enter into the kingdom of God is very tolerant and very kind to all living entities. He is not partial; he is kind both to human beings and to animals
Mother Theresa was a long way from being a saint and still they declared her one .
What about the problem with church leaders who are leading people into sin? What can we do to deal with that? (If he doesn’t answer we still need to say a rosary of penance every say.)
Sex offending doesn't begin when the offender is in his 40s, but usually much earlier, in the teen years. Sadly, there is likely to be more to this story. If in the case of Jean Vanier the behavior did indeed begin in 1970, what happened at this time that led him to turn to violence? Why start victimizing women at this particular time? Was he himself a victim at a later age? Or should we ask why such a long latent period? Regardless, the news is devastating, faith-crushing, shattering for the victims, but also for the Church. Yes, stay and become saints...who are saints if not deeply flawed people who through all that can still will the good for the other, who can still love, who can still look outward and say "yes."
The only person that any Catholic should look to as a guide to trying to be a good human being is Our Lord Jesus Christ - it really is that simple.
No matter the sect or theology my study of history shows charismatic religious figures seem to draw people to themselves, nothing new here. But some "victims" seek these people out. This is not to excuse Vanier, but this type of sexual sin is, at times, a two way street. No, I am not blaming the victims but don't presume there was no sin that preceded another sin. I find it odd none of the women, probably, preyed upon never said a word until now. Only God knows.
But aren't those mortal sins? (new convert here)
Honest question: how do you spell the neurocation or neuroccasion of sin? Or it is the near occasion of sin? Heard this one from Fr. Mike Schmidt but can google it up. Thanks!
near occasion
I’m a Catholic but my faith is not in people like Bishop Barron. I just don’t trust them.
My faith is in Jesus!!
Daily Holy Eucharist should make one intimate with JESUS CHRIST not a "recovering sinner".
Believers in Christ shouldnt try to find the next mother Theresa. That concept alone distance us subconsciously to look to Jesus and living His examples just like the apostles. As much as they give us an example, their foundation has always been Christ and that should be the same with us.
We are all human. If we scratch deep enough, there will always be transgressions to find. However, this news about dear Jean Vanier throws Catholic theology on the trinity into a spin.
Bishop Barron's remark about us being like a pile of dung with a cover of snow (God's grace) over us is an interesting analogy, but can it also be applied to Christ? Or, pray tell me, was Christ really fully human, or was He actually God just pretending to be human? Or maybe we should drop the fully human thing and look some some other descriptor.
Vanier, and many of the other fallen, supposedly holy, people who have been outed in recent memory, are just subjects of their time. That is, we have far greater ability to delve into someone's sinful history now than at any other time in history. Just how many of the 10,000 Saints would pass such pervasive examination today? Maybe very few.
My own feeling is that Jean Vanier remains a Saintly man, regardless of these revelations. There, but for the Grace of God, go most of us. We make progress. We fall down, get up and keep moving. Such is the story of ourselves and of humanity.
"Bishop Barron's remark about us being like a pile of dung with a cover of snow (God's grace)"
That was not Bishop Barron's remark. He was quoting Martin Luther. Bishop Barron then pointed out how this view was answered by the Council of Trent, and talked about the Catholic view of sin and salvation. We are not a dung heap covered in snow.
I don't understand your reasoning. Why do you think this situation calls the trinity into question? People have been sinning since there have been people. Otherwise very fine people commit grave sins all the time. Why does this one man's actions call the trinity into question? Christ was both fully human and divine, so no, none of this applies to him.
Vanier's behavior seems to have been predatory, but I don't see how that reflects on the Catholic Church itself. His sins are his own.
some good people think that by doing good works they are entitled to sin
Obispo Robert me gustaría que tenga subtítulos en español,gracias.
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Seriously wondering if Jean Vanier's services/achievements ought to be listed in level with and/or among those by the contributions made by Saints/devout and loyal members of the Catholic Church. After all, lots of socially good works are done by individuals who are not even Christians. The beneficiaries (the mentally disabled), incidentally are those who cannot make any studies of Vanier's case. While acknowledging his successes it would be important to not give him a position in the Church at par with all those whom we can be unashamedly proud of. After all, safeguarding the reputation of our Family, the Church is our right and bounden duty.
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I'm posting this from the very vulnerable place of a person who's been sexually harassed at work by my customers (grocery retail; some customers practically treat us like slaves) and who had a man try putting his hands under my clothes at a bus stop in broad daylight, so keep this in mind as I ask this question:
Why do we even need sex as a component of being human? We have technologies that allow us to reproduce without sexual intercourse. And where I am, sex just seems like yet another stick which people with inflated views of their superiority use to beat other people with. I can't help thinking we're better off without sex.
R.C. Mulhare I see where your coming from. As a man I know that the temptation to view women as sex objects is very real. However, your view would go a little too far. The horrors that happen with sex are only possible because of how beautiful and good sex is. The devil has no clay, he can only take what God has made and distort it. What God has made he called good, and human beings are made in His image, so we are very good and have intrinsic value. The devil takes these good things and corrupts them; the more good it is the more it can be corrupted. Sex in its proper context is not only permissible, but holy. It is an icon of the trinity itself. When a man fully gives himself to His beloved and the beloved receives her lover completely the two become one flesh and bring about new life. This is an image of the father giving Himself to the the son, with the Holy Spirit proceeding from this relationship of love. Sin is what ruins everything. When men fail to integrate the sexual value of the woman to her value as a person she then becomes a mere sexual object that is only used for pleasure. This is despicable and I’m sorry that it has clearly happened to you. However, this was not how it was in the beginning, and Jesus came to restore us and heal us from our wicked ways. Please don’t allow Satan to convince you that sex, one of the most beautiful things God created, is bad; it is sin that is the cancer that must be eradicated
R.C. Mulhare youtube C.S.Lewis Sex in his Mere Christianity. Be blessed.
Thank you for you’re explanation. I only feel you apply some degree of relativism that you criticize the secular movement has.
The playback is a bit off
Today they are attempting to teach their sin as a catholic way. The difference between a sinner and the corrupt. The sinner can repent the corrupt do not think they are sinner and do not change. Never before have the leaders of the church attempted to change the teachings to lead people into sin. Has this happened before? Is this not unique or worse?
We need to dump the wishiwashi
How many times are we gonna do this? "Holy" person is exposed as a monster, everyone makes excuses and then tries to forget about it.
Have you checked the holy water? I think you forgot to actually bless it, maybe its just water that doesn't do anything, you pray and you pray and what is the only tangible result? More disappointment😔
Saints in scriptures are those who are followers of Christ. Not uniquely as understood by catholic church. With all our limitations and weaknesses, multiple verses in scripture call us to be saints and are called saints not because we are perfect, but we re being perfected through the Word and the power of the Holy Spirit as we daily depend on Him.
But gradually, as the basic principles of brahminical culture, namely austerity, cleanliness, mercy and truthfulness, became curtailed by proportionate development of pride, attachment for women and intoxication, the path of salvation or the path of transcendental bliss retreated far, far away from human society. With the progression of the age of Kali, people are becoming very proud, and attached to women and intoxication. By the influence of the age of Kali, even a pauper is proud of his penny, the women are always dressed in an overly attractive fashion to victimize the minds of men, and the man is addicted to drinking wine, smoking, drinking tea and chewing tobacco, etc. All these habits, or so-called advancement of civilization, are the root causes of all irreligiosities, and therefore it is not possible to check corruption, bribery and nepotism. Man cannot check all these evils simply by statutory acts and police vigilance, but he can cure the disease of the mind by the proper medicine, namely advocating the principles of brahminical culture or the principles of austerity, cleanliness, mercy and truthfulness. Modern civilization and economic development are creating a new situation of poverty and scarcity with the result of blackmailing the consumer's commodities. If the leaders and the rich men of the society spend fifty percent of their accumulated wealth mercifully for the misled mass of people and educate them in God consciousness
Bringing this abuse up, a year after the guy is dead is a direct attack on the church and
NOT AT ALL dealing with HIS PERSONAL SINS.
This is meant to destroy us and nothing else.
A couple of "aha" moments here:
1) I have never, _ever,_ heard the word "congrue." Congruent? Sure! Congruence? yeah. Congrue? Never. Woo hoo - the good bishop just launched us into a top 1% conversation. Strap on your vocabulary helmets!
2) The points at14:07 are a key difference between Protestant & Catholic thinking. I'm no theologian, but Martin Luther's _"sola fide"_ never made sense to me as a useful statement, _except for_ someone on his/her deathbed. The rest of us must continue to live our faith (_facta non verba._) Paul said as much. James said as much. *Jesus* said as much. My epiphany here is how extensively _"sola fide"_ pervades protestant (particularly evangelical) thinking and why it always bothered when I listened to my Baptist preacher neighbor -- excellent speaker, devoted to the Lord, unquestionably a good man -- extoll to his congregation, "Love Jesus, so you can go to heaven." I wince (internally) when someone says they're "saved," but I never knew why I wince, until now. It's the same reason that my answer to "Are you going to heaven?" differs from all my Protestant friends: because my answer is "it's not my decision, and I know I'm not worthy." The protestant sense of finality for destination Heaven does not
_...wait for it..._
*congrue* with mine.
I just can't assume when I get to my terminal bus station that my ticket will be waiting for me to board that golden Grayhound. God willing, it'll be there. If it's not, I'll know who to blame. Thanks for the ephiphany, Bishop! That's one less puzzlement in my life...
3) I'm taking the "beam" metaphor with me. That takes "the straight & narrow" to a new level.
4) My appetite is whetted, but not sated. By 22:30 I realize what's lacking in the Bishop's response: There is no reminder of any organizational changes that have been introduced to prevent the next Catholic Sex Scandal. Yes, that sort of thing is beyond his paygrade, but: any other modern organization, when faced with a failure like this, adapts to prevent the failure from happening again. "We've been here before, and we should expect it" is dissatisfying. This scandal is a bit more of a pickle, as it happened outside the Church, but the situation is guilt by association. His response to Brandon, calling laity to radical sainthood is a step in the right direction, and that answer may be a lot more potent than it appears at first blush. That's probably about all he can say, given his position.
Probably not a great idea to leave the comments open on this one.
There needs to be an honest and open discussion!
@@ArturoCabello There won't be. This topic will just draw a swarm of flies.
Yeah, I'm bracing for the onslaught of wonks who want the Church shut down, etc. etc. etc. Notice they never want Hollywood shut down (eg. because of Harvey Weinstein and others of his ilk) or call to eliminate the family (because you're most likely to be abused/assaulted by a family member) or close all educational institutions (because there's abusive teachers/professors).
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In my opinión we must see the church leaders as people like us whit fails and sins like us understand that you can believe in the messege someone Is telling but the Messenger Is not perfect only God is perfect
@Collins Anosike i agree whit you but they are still human and all of us fail remmember Peter denied jesús 3 times and when he walked over the water His faith failed no one is perfect only God is perfect so when we fail we must ask forgiveness to God whit a true heart and try to never sin again
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