Continuing My Weird Shooter Game - devlog

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  • @Codeer
    @Codeer  25 วันที่ผ่านมา +528

    Hey everyone thanks for watching :) Just to clarify, I do plan to introduce some of the original content & graphics back into the game. I just have to figure out what works and what doesn't now that I have defined a more concrete direction for the game

    • @gcstudios9091
      @gcstudios9091 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Sounds great!! I'm just glad you're back 😌

    • @VenovaGames
      @VenovaGames 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I watched every develop of your game at least 2 times and was sad that I couldn't find more of them. FINALY!!!! This game is a masterpiece and I'm happy to see a new video about its development (:

    • @shaxing4971
      @shaxing4971 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I am excited!!! I was worried that you mightve dropped the project but I am glad you stepped back and came back with new fresh air. I am super excited where the project leads and will watch your journey with great interest!!

    • @Cheese_Lad7
      @Cheese_Lad7 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hello again

    • @Cool-Game-Dev
      @Cool-Game-Dev 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      When the world needed him most, he returned

  • @mammalianmolasses4724
    @mammalianmolasses4724 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1599

    Bro remembered his password

    • @craftamine9147
      @craftamine9147 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      True, I have been waiting for this SO LONG!

    • @R3DKAR4
      @R3DKAR4 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      2 years it crazy

    • @R3DKAR4
      @R3DKAR4 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​my sis got R@PED today

    • @grundxgames
      @grundxgames 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      LMAO

    • @onecommandkristopher3000
      @onecommandkristopher3000 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Not sure. Probably it was a preupload with a timer.

  • @AIAdev
    @AIAdev 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +484

    So glad to hear you’re still working on this dude. It’s looking so sick.

    • @bela-b
      @bela-b 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Yoooo it’s Aia!

    • @Cool-Game-Dev
      @Cool-Game-Dev 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yoo ur here too?

    • @everettewebber5680
      @everettewebber5680 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Man I've been seeing your comments everywhere lately

    • @w1szpYT
      @w1szpYT 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@everettewebber5680 aia is everywhere and nowhere, all at the same time.

  • @sauce_4643
    @sauce_4643 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +458

    I literally missed these devlogs so much, so excited for it to release in the future! 🙏

    • @Brob3r
      @Brob3r 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      me toooooo

    • @YoutuberUser000
      @YoutuberUser000 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Excited*🙂

    • @HydratheIce-Seawing
      @HydratheIce-Seawing 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Same!!!

    • @sauce_4643
      @sauce_4643 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TH-camrUser000 Oops 😅

    • @YoutuberUser000
      @YoutuberUser000 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sauce_4643 nah your all good just making sure you knew 🤭

  • @THExRISER
    @THExRISER 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +255

    Randomly just typed "devlog" in the search bar and this is what I find 34 minutes after it's uploaded.
    Welcome back boss, glad to see both you this game are not dead.

    • @panasonicdiet3691
      @panasonicdiet3691 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      lol I’m not the only who does this then

    • @THExRISER
      @THExRISER 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@panasonicdiet3691 Nope.

    • @lucbloom
      @lucbloom 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Bell icon

    • @THExRISER
      @THExRISER 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@lucbloom Already rang for the last 2 years, I'm sure TH-cam would've notified me eventually.

    • @CastleRene
      @CastleRene 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Wow, so we all do this then? Like this comment if you don't know Challacade.

  • @CodeMonkeyUnity
    @CodeMonkeyUnity 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +86

    Wohoo welcome back!
    Sounds like you have a solid plan to take it to the finish line, best of luck!

    • @trickyfox9518
      @trickyfox9518 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hi Code Monkey! I Like your videos!

  • @dier7144
    @dier7144 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +134

    HES ALIVE!!!!!
    Chances are you won’t see this comment Codeer but if you do I’d just like to say I love your content and this is my favourite game dev channels. Thankyou truly for doing what you do!

    • @albinsindt7301
      @albinsindt7301 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      dier?!?!?!?!?!?!

    • @dier7144
      @dier7144 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@albinsindt7301 Aban?!?!?!?!?!???!?!??!!?

    • @dumpsterfire9342
      @dumpsterfire9342 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      dier!?!?!?!?!??!?!

    • @albinsindt7301
      @albinsindt7301 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dier7144 yes me aban

    • @dier7144
      @dier7144 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dumpsterfire9342 Whoever you are!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!?

  • @BodiePagelow
    @BodiePagelow 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    When I first started watching your videos I was ~ten years old and loved video games. It had never really crossed my mind that I could actually create one until I saw your videos. I don't know, something just clicked, and I started a 3 year journey where I built a computer, learned C++, learned blender, and modded so many video game consoles. You gave me hobbies that occupy my time and give me new and incredible experiences constantly. I cannot believe you're back. You changed my life. Good luck on Formbound, we're all here to support you.

    • @Nynxxx
      @Nynxxx 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Congrats man, that is quite an accomplishment for your age. I was very overwhelmed by programming when I was young. I first started with java Minecraft mod menus, but that was too much for me at the time.

  • @zoteling2817
    @zoteling2817 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    It's awesome to see development continue on this project. Rescoping and taking a step back can be daunting but is definitely gonna be worth it. I love the direction the games going in!

    • @Codeer
      @Codeer  25 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Thank you Zoteling! :)

  • @Switch_YT_Official
    @Switch_YT_Official 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Your the reason I got into game development, you and Dani, I haven’t got far and haven’t done much in a while since both you and Dani stopped uploading, but maybe with this new video I’ll try to start learning again.

  • @DarkSpaceStudios
    @DarkSpaceStudios 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Still love this game you're working on. Can't wait to play it!

  • @TheRavenLenore
    @TheRavenLenore 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I love the new approach you're taking to this game! Such a smart decision to make a game that YOU want and not succumbing to fanfair. It's such a unique idea and I can't wait for further devlogs! I'm here for whatever direction you take this!

  • @gioloh
    @gioloh 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    bro's comeback is the best thing to ever happen to the indie gamedev TH-cam scene

    • @gabriel-ps6do
      @gabriel-ps6do 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Brackeys tho

  • @hamsoft23
    @hamsoft23 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    "Good ideas spawn new ideas" is actually a pretty sick phrase

  • @DarkDax
    @DarkDax 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Wake up guys. Codeer is back with a banger!

  • @formalrat5436
    @formalrat5436 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I remember really loving the ideas and concept of this entire game and watching the devlogs intently...Then I forgot about them, until he came back! Just brought back my love for devlogs and indie games.

  • @SuperTaps6
    @SuperTaps6 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Codeer is back!!! I’m glad you have a better feel for game development and a more confident plan! I’m so flipping excited to see where it goes

  • @charlieseely3464
    @charlieseely3464 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    A legend has returned. Now we wait for Mythic Legion, Dani, and Steven to make their comeback.

    • @errorbuddy49
      @errorbuddy49 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      i miss both mythic and dani mainly i want to see him complete his several year journey of karlson

  • @CriminallyUnderatted
    @CriminallyUnderatted 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You legitimately had me worried about you when you disappeared back in 2022, glad to see you alive and well!

  • @Ghalux
    @Ghalux 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The legend is back.

  • @timothyjacksondrake4454
    @timothyjacksondrake4454 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Very cool. Glad your back and I look forward to seeing where Formbound goes.

  • @fullstop8991
    @fullstop8991 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    I saw your videos about your octopus game a few years ago and it really inspired me to start on the path of games. Fast forward a few years and I’m now in my first year of uni studying games. Excited to see how your project progresses :D

  • @spacervirus
    @spacervirus 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I loved the idea of ​​doing the same project, but this time doing it all over again, with new knowledge and a deeper foundation, great idea, congratulations

  • @twangerrrrrr
    @twangerrrrrr 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    Bro finally uploaded. Making Walter Walnut is probably ny favourite video you made. I hope the game does well

  • @neoturtle1753
    @neoturtle1753 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Looking great! I think the idea of taking previous assets and starting over with a well though out template was a great choice. Can't wait to see what's next!

  • @LegoDinoMan
    @LegoDinoMan 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve moved apartments, started a new job, become horrible ill, and recovered since the last devlog. Glad to see you back!

  • @cecillewolters1995
    @cecillewolters1995 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This concept potentially makes for an awesome gameplay loop, where new parts or weapons can unlock new areas in older levels.
    Bonus points if players can sequence break.
    Either way, glad to see that this project is back in business :)
    Good luck and have fun

  • @GameDevBuddies
    @GameDevBuddies 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Finally, you’re back! Love the progress and the design decisions you’re making, keep up the good work

  • @balltickler-hm5mo
    @balltickler-hm5mo 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember since 2yrs ago, every few months I would check to see if there were new devlogs and there hadn't been for a while so I was wondering where the cool codeer guy went but you're back now so that's really cool

  • @RiverHeartfelt
    @RiverHeartfelt 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thinking back to it, you were the first devlog series I ever watched. Glad to see you're back and hearing about optimizations and lessons you've learnt is invaluable. Especially the game design document... you can only put them off for so long.

  • @DmnJordy
    @DmnJordy 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    These half-dutch half-english game dev tasks in Trello are one the most niche yet very relatable things to me. Keep up the work!

  • @s4bishii
    @s4bishii 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's been so long man, glad you're back. The concept of the game seems much clearer now, I can't wait to see where you take it from here.

  • @renjiplays7567
    @renjiplays7567 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I started watching this dev log series earlier today and finshed it all super quickly, I’m really loving this game like I mean really loving! I’m looking forward to buying this game the second it comes out lol. That being said I do really hope you take your time and don’t overwork yourself. You’ve gotten yourself a new subscriber!

  • @JustaFloatingEye
    @JustaFloatingEye 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I LOVE the new squishling idea of being a parasite! And the gameplay loop sounds awesome. This game is gonna be amazing!

  • @cozyProgramm5883
    @cozyProgramm5883 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    One of the devlog series I loved to watch is back🎉

  • @doughjoughdev
    @doughjoughdev 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So glad you're back! You're definitely one of the few individuals that got me really inspired when I started learning game dev, so I'm super excited to see another devlog from you. It looks great!

  • @monkeyarch7510
    @monkeyarch7510 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That sounds way better. Upon reflection, it felt like your old videos lacked a set direction for what you wanted the game to be, and the way you're making this now seems so much more organized. I applaud you for that

  • @cacsxolotlmeme2082
    @cacsxolotlmeme2082 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    He has come back from the rainforest!

  • @BUCCIMAIN
    @BUCCIMAIN 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Really interested to see more progress on this new and better version of the game

  • @slakkie_
    @slakkie_ 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I really find it funny to see how you mix both english and dutch when writing things down, I do the same!

  • @Tummus2k
    @Tummus2k 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hyped to see where this project goes. I loved the orginal design and art when you first uploaded videos on it and always wondered what happened. I think the host idea is really interesting, seems like a really nice progression system and fits in well with the art!

  • @Cheese_Lad7
    @Cheese_Lad7 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm glad this guy is finally back. This guy inspired me. I almost finished a game once on Scratch because this guy motivated me.

  • @Skeffles
    @Skeffles 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent to see you're back on it and have a plan. I really like how it looks and can't wait to hear more about the project!

  • @artIfactuaI
    @artIfactuaI 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The legend himself is back!

  • @AetherXIV
    @AetherXIV 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I checked your channel probably 6 times while you were gone. I think your new clarity on the design is awesome and I can't wait to see where it leads.

  • @combosloth1677
    @combosloth1677 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    there are a lot of youtube game devs who fall into feature creep and never get end up getting out of it, which it's always sad to see
    I'm overjoyed that you've managed to catch yourself before the problem became irreversible and I'm looking forward to seeing what this game becomes

  • @anbagames
    @anbagames 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One of the most creative, interesting and entertaining devlog series! Welcome back man and Walter Walnut will definitely be bought and played this year! ❤

  • @schmidtchen2407
    @schmidtchen2407 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ive looked for this projekt for like years because i loved how the character worked xD awesum :)

  • @Derpier-m4h
    @Derpier-m4h 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Dude I've waited so long for this episode, Good thing you're still alive man!

  • @alexplosion_ITA
    @alexplosion_ITA 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I swear like a week ago i randomly rembered about these devlogs but i didn't remember the name of the channel so i just went "hm, i wonder how that guy is doing" and now bam, new devlog!
    Amazing progress btw, really love the parasite idea

  • @AstroGDev
    @AstroGDev 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    YOUR BACK I WAITES SO LONG 😭😭😭 I hope you have been well.

  • @PixelKat5
    @PixelKat5 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Im so glad you’re back. Has it really been 3 years!? Oh jeez… I feel like these last 4 or 5 yes have gone by so fast, like wasn’t it just the start of summer!?

  • @Almighty7sStudios
    @Almighty7sStudios 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Glad to see you are back! You are one of the first Game Dev TH-camrs I have ever watched!

  • @techyte
    @techyte 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This looks so cool! I love the new ideas you have for the game and can't wait to see where you take it!

  • @ConsumerOfBEANS
    @ConsumerOfBEANS 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow, I remember watching your first ( I think ) devlog, I'm glad you still have enough motivation to continue this game

  • @kiki-drawer2669
    @kiki-drawer2669 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome! Love the update♡ big expectations are very intimidating, but keeping a project small at this time is always good. A game doesn't need to have everything to be good. Even without a goal previously, getting to play around with your tools is good! Good luck on your next goals!

  • @galaxytinus7781
    @galaxytinus7781 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i have loved this project since the start and really like where its going

  • @MegaCombatGamers
    @MegaCombatGamers 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love seeing you back at it! I'm very interested in where this game is headed, so keep up the amazing work!

  • @CodeCupboard
    @CodeCupboard 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    YES THE DEVLOGS ARE BACK!!

  • @skelemberggd
    @skelemberggd 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is a very solid approach to a project! Happy to see you came back

  • @ShorteDev
    @ShorteDev 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can't wait to see how this project will progress further, because it already looks amazing! Nice work man

  • @artificialcode
    @artificialcode 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Welcome back man, glad you decided to pick this up again, I just really want games like yours to gain more attention and will definitely buy this once it releases !!

  • @Saltyseadog20
    @Saltyseadog20 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Always love watching the old videos and I can’t believe you’re back

  • @GroundZeroSFM
    @GroundZeroSFM 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Oh man it's been so long since I've seen you. I remember watching your devlogs a while back and wanted to check up on the progress but I completely forgot what you had titled your old devlogs. Im glad I found you again, I'm super interested in how this game will turn out.

  • @iHeartGameDev
    @iHeartGameDev 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome vid, Codeer! Thank you for continuing to inspire!

  • @BassToad
    @BassToad 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was thinking about this project a few weeks ago, glad to see you back!

  • @kanethedev
    @kanethedev 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One of my fav devlog series. Welcome back king!

  • @heeee2005
    @heeee2005 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    what a time to be alive! thank you for being so inspiring

  • @tsuki_ily
    @tsuki_ily 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    my god im actually so happy, your devlog videos were always my favorite!

  • @RogDolos
    @RogDolos 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like the rigid-uprightness of the character but with the fluid legs-- was part of the charm. Visually at least.
    So happy you've returned to this!

  • @nighthawk3045
    @nighthawk3045 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good to see you back. It is also good that you have learned a lot from your "side" project. Good fortune on your second attempt on the project.

  • @Corvaccio
    @Corvaccio 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Scope creep is a real threat to any project, it was a good thing for you to take a step back. With more vision and purpose, you can now make it justice :)

  • @NixonGamesAtYT
    @NixonGamesAtYT 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    YES HE'S BACK! I really like the idea of playing as a parasite, however I do hope the robots remain in the main game because I think the mechanics of how the player has to take them down is very unique. I love it when games turn combat into a sort of puzzle like having to shoot legs off of the big robots or climb it in order to pull a battery out.

  • @GM000null
    @GM000null 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    FINALLY! I watched you in middle school and was so sad when you stopped uploading, I checked your channel every couple of months, im so happy!

  • @gustavaggeboe7014
    @gustavaggeboe7014 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So glad to see you're back. And back on this project!

  • @yaboidabid
    @yaboidabid 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nothing like opening youtube and seeing a new codeer video on my home page.

  • @TobyJWalter
    @TobyJWalter 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember binging into all your devlogs during covid, great to see you again!!!

  • @nyami2381
    @nyami2381 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Welcome back! Really enjoyed watching these vlogs for a while so its nice to see it pop up again

  • @keyxvanlierop6011
    @keyxvanlierop6011 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great to see you continuing. Really love the devlogs.

  • @PedrobruceHF
    @PedrobruceHF 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Now way, I though you quitted this project! I’m happy to see it come back, its very inspiring for me

  • @angelofdeath0203
    @angelofdeath0203 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm glad I never unsubbed and had faith you would return. Welcome back, regardless of how long your stay is

  • @niet-stijn
    @niet-stijn 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So cool you're working on this game again! I do have to say that I was a fan of the space helmet.

  • @Randomperson-pk3ce
    @Randomperson-pk3ce 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Omg i lost this channel and couldnt find it, thank the recommendation gods, and you for posting.

  • @Chadderbox
    @Chadderbox 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's super exciting to see that you're back to working on this! Really looking forward to seeing more of it!

  • @joelheinze7847
    @joelheinze7847 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am so glad you are back, keep up the good work! I love your new host idea, I hope there will be other possible hosts to possess so it varies the gameloop/playstyle.

  • @mkks4559
    @mkks4559 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Glad you're back! The parasite-host idea is actually very cool, especially if there's the possibility of having different host types (animals, machines, or even other parasites?). Would love to have a wardrobe of hosts lol.

  • @Hydra-BR
    @Hydra-BR 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The game remember me of Returnal, it should be a good reference for what you're doing. Love the procedurals animations, good luck!

    • @Hydra-BR
      @Hydra-BR 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      8 seconds after i comment you mention Returnal in the video, lol.

  • @Remnit
    @Remnit 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I really missed your devlogs, so happy to see you back, mate!

  • @JammyJimJ1m
    @JammyJimJ1m 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Return of the king. I remember messaging you in my first year at university 4 years ago about that procedural animation tutorial

  • @thecake2
    @thecake2 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Welcome back!, I've watched you ever since you've started developing formbound and knowing that you're back is amazing, I wish you the best of luck!

  • @7NrG
    @7NrG 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is interesting! I cant wait to see the journey up until the final product!

  • @Gabriel_the_G
    @Gabriel_the_G 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wooo, he is back. I was thinking about your game yesterday. Talk about when the universe conspires. Great to see you back! This has really great potential! Marketing is important too!

  • @erratum3101
    @erratum3101 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The best feeling is when u search every month for two years "devlog" hoping the GOAT will upload and one day he actualy did

  • @hamzahgamedev
    @hamzahgamedev 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    wow, i am just blown away with the fact that we need a Human host otherwise we are a simple lump of alien species. This looks so well balanced and so thoughtful. So i guess the wait was worthwhile afterall.

  • @FireBlast2.0
    @FireBlast2.0 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The king returns! Enjoyed the video

  • @niccolodagruma
    @niccolodagruma 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I always loved these devlogs because of the aesthetic and animation. As a player and viewer i think the decision to have a smaller scope and to design the game loop before starting is important. One of the things you said in the beginning of the video is something I think you should emphasize, which is something along the lines of "I didn't want the procedural animation to be just the gameplay, but the center." If you could tie it into the shooting system and movement even more it would be super cool. I feel like playing around with make a satisfying shooting system that works with procedural animation could be cool. not sure on how you would execute on it

  • @Sv3r
    @Sv3r 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm glad you are back! I've been regularly searching up your channel for the past 2 years :O

  • @mammalianmolasses4724
    @mammalianmolasses4724 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I really hope that “my weird shooter game” is still the title when the game releases.
    Edit: oh never mind it’s Formbound. I’ll grudgingly admit that’s a better name for it, even if less funny.

  • @nivmiz0
    @nivmiz0 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow it's so cool to see you're back! Best of luck with this version of Formbound!

  • @BloonKrushr
    @BloonKrushr 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He's finally back! I knew staying with the channel would work out eventually.