I know everyone tends to focus on the Fallen and Prima, but I think it would genuinely be really cool to have a toyline that fills out the rest of the thirteen (and not just as re-paints)
my favorite version of Megatronus is that he is currently flying amongst the stars and no one has heard from him since. rumors have spread of his deeds, weither they're true or just tall tales is up for debate, which causes Megatron to come into existence
Honestly I don't see why Logos Prime couldn't be included. The 13 were established in the Aligned Continuity, where Soundwave's Casettes were Mini-Cons. Logos Prime could be the God of Deployers who deploys Micronus.
They did just buy a siege soundblaster mate Logos is just soundblaster from the Cybertron show. And if you a stickler for that mold being Logos just wait they are doing Little bits of Cybertron toys like Override am sure they will get to soundwave and boom you will get a re colour of him to be soundblaster.
If you want more info on the Thirteen, Chris McFeely's series The Basic's has several videos that can help. One goes over who they are as a group, and several of them have individual videos. Some of the videos are a few years old at this point, so some of the information maybe out of date, but definitely a good starting point.
My personal canon makes the Thirteen’s membership this: *Prima* (leader of the Thirteen; first to be created by Primus; lacks an alternate mode; a bit holier than thou; wields the Light Legend, a powerful sword capable of casting out Unicron’s corruption) *Megatronus Prime* (the Thirteen’s strongest warrior and spouse of Solus; bickers with Prima a lot; the “irritable but deep down he cares” type; strong sense of justice; very stubborn; has the vaporizing Requiem Blaster strapped to his forearm) *Solus Prime* (the lone female of the Thirteen, their blacksmith, and Megatronus’s beloved; an enthusiastic tinkerer too curious for her own good; wields her mighty Forgehammer when constructing things or in combat) *Nexus Prime* (the first gestalt Cybertronian composed of five currently-unnamed bots; struggling to figure out identities for himself and his components; bears the Enigma of Combination, a relic that allows those who come into contact with it to become combiners like himself) *Onyx Prime* (the first Cybertronian with a beast mode; deeply spiritual and deeply compassionate; possesses the Triptych Mask that allows him to project his consciousness across the universe) *Amalgamous Prime* (the first multi-changer; a scatterbrained and laidback individual; wields the Chaos Scythe, a weapon that can become whatever the user can imagine) *Alchemist Prime* (cheery elemental and metallurgist; known to brew some very potent Energon mixes; wears the powerful Lenses over his eyes which let him see the physical and spiritual aspects of the universe in perfect harmony) *Alpha Trion* (chronicler of Cybertron’s history; the Moses of the bunch; blessed with the Quill and author of the Cybertronian holy book the Covenant of Primus) *Liege Maximo* (pragmatic and manipulative strategist; a firm believer in Cybertronian supremacy; dangerously charismatic; uses his Liegian Darts to convert others to his way of thinking) *Mortilus Prime* (the personification of death as a concept; surprisingly values life an awful lot; wields the twin Sickles of Life and Death that represent the circle of life) *Vector Prime* (guardian over space and time; somewhat disconnected from his brethren because of his work requiring him to exist outside of time; uses the Sandglass to traverse through time) *Micronus Prime* (the first “Mini-Con”; takes himself incredibly seriously ignoring his small size; capable of empowering others using his Chimera Stone and a technique known as “Powerlinxing”) *Trecerus Prime* (the youngest of the Thirteen; a turbo-revving hot-rodding lad trying to find his place in the world; chose to be reborn as a normal Cybertronian)
@@tomhur1 It'd make more sense than "The Arisen" being reborn as Optimus, anyway. I'm leaning more towards the IDW2 version of the Thirteenth, where they're the Matrix's true and final bearer. And what exactly was Hot Rod in the 86 movie? The Chosen One, the one destined to destroy the Chaos-Bringer. I actually have an entire Thirteen-themed comic miniseries concept (complete with 13 issues) ready. The idea is to tell what amounts to the Transformers' Pentateuch- their creation, fall, the birth of the Transformers as a race, and their journey from slavery under the Quintessons to their "promised land". It'd also play with the Thirteen's usual mythos, casting familiar faces in new roles and even outright subverting their traditional roles (Megatronus dies, becoming "The Fallen" by virtue of being the first Transformer to die, and is survived by Solus).
If anyone is wondering where Quintus is, I don't like the idea of the Quints being the creation of a Transformer who then somehow managed to conquer their creators. Besides, Censere/Mortilus struck me as doing his whole "organic life matters" thing a whole lot better.
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho Well great minds think alike I suppose, because I literally had the exact same idea regarding how the matrix works (It's searching for it's final bearer in this case Hot Rod) and Hot Rod being the Arisen.
19:20 Actually no, in Transformers RID2015, we get a shifter in action, Psuedo. From that ghost western town episode. I still wanna see him released as the train.
Personally I prefer the "multiversal Thirteen" compared to the Covenant Thirteen. Making Alpha Trion and Optimus members of the Thirteen was just a cheap retcon. Also Habro refusing to classify Logos Prime among the Thirteen simply because he was created by Takara (yes, they really said that) is such unnecessary levels of pettiness. IMO he'd actually be one of the best characters to use for the new toyline, I'd love to see a modern update of the Cybertron Soundwave/Soundblaster toy
Yeah. When I wrote my own version of the Transformers creation myth, I primarily pulled from the Multiversal roster. Mostly because I saw the Covenant Thirteen as being too closely aligned with the... Aligned fiction. Though I did pull from that version in a few areas. Namely, I used Quintus Prime over Mortilus, incorporated aspects of the Solus and Megatronus love story, and I infused a little bit of Alpha Trion into Solomus Prime. That said, I put my own spin on a lot of things, mostly to make it feel more like a fleshed out polytheistic pantheon, rather than a "God and angels versus Satan and demons" thing.
Tbh, I’m fine with Alpha Trion being apart of the Thirteen based on The Key to Vector Sigma and him suggesting he’s one of the first Cybertronians, but yea. I really would rather have Logos Prime over most of the “filler” that’s in the Covenant Thirteen.
We should have gotten the primes in power of the primes toyline, the original war for cybertron toyline should have gave us a zeta prime like they did with senator ratbat , we should have been gotten the 13 already lol
I'm curious on 2, interested by a third. Amalgamous and Nexus will be strange. Amalgamous I expect RID 2001 Megs-like design, Nexus however, I suspect will be the year's Titan. Now, Lokius Prime, er, Liege Maximo is gonna be interesting because _he is literally a Loki bot,_ However I don't expect him to be a beast because that's Onyx's place. And it will be neat to have Solus and Megatronus.
Regarding Nexus, I think HasTak is going to wait until the rest of the Combaticons are made (in "Prime" year 2) so they have molds for Heatwave, Landquake, and Topspin (Onslaught, Brawl, and Vortex) to accompany "Prime" year's molds for Skyfall and Breakaway (my money's on Air Raid being used for Breakaway and Fireflight with HEAVY retooling being used for Skyfall).
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho Fair, I'm not thinking in the range of a bunch of bots but a single Titan that can break into bots and vehicles, the Nexus Armada if you will.
I like the idea of the thirteen. But I don't like it being optimus. Hot rod would be a better idea. Make more sense that he was the heart of the group. Plus it would give credit to why he just wants to be a free spirit due to the old regret he had in his first life.
A person who made himself worthy is always be better than a person who choosen to be worthy , that's why I don't like the idea of optimus being The 13th prime ,Orion pax was being worthy as a prime is great because he depicts the spirit and will power to be it ,meanwhile the chosen one concept brought no value to table of being worthy ,i just like to believe that optimus wasn't the 13th prime but a self made fighter who stands worthy of being a prime
@@Ankit-hw7hg Yeah. In Cyberverse and TF One, he was just chosen because he deserved it. That is good writing. Not, "He is the descendant of the 13 Primes."
@@bowserbreaker2515 i don't think he's a choosen one in TF prime but a worthy self made one because I have not seen any reference of him being the 13th prime as I remember in transformers prime
The Thirteen is one of those concepts that seems like it should be really cool, but rarely actually is. Most of the lore surrounding them is lackluster at best, and it really leans into this cosmic angle that I feel just doesn't work most of the time in Transformers. It didn't help that the whole multiversal angle, which was meant to make them seem cooler, just made them a lot more conceptually messy. Then again, part of it for me might just be that Alternity took "Transformers as cosmic-scale gods" and sold it in a way that no Thirteen story ever has.
Alchemist and Vector are the only primes I really care about. I haven't seen Cybertron, but I do know about Ask Vector Prime. And Maccadam was great in Cyberverse.
I prefer how they used Megatronus. Instead of Megatron being reborn super evil, he just named himself after the worst of the Primes. Better than Optimus being an original 13. I prefer him as a character rooted in the fact his strength comes from himself and his values.
Feels like everyone who says this forgot about the weaponizers/modulators/all the recent TFs with a gimmick of splitting apart and being mixed and matched into different forms.
I like assuming the Quintessons are above all this. They created these two planet-sized transformers. Or else where would the technology came from. While Unicron eventually went on exploring space for Glory, Primus created 2 types of Transformers : Advanced ones like him (who became Decepticons) and Working Class ones (The Autobots) to defend himself. Then Primes are created by the spark ( Vector Sigma) of Primus (Cybertron) as well.
So quick theory, we know Optimus is supposedly the 13th prime, but since he sacrificed himself to be reborn what if the others who sacrificed themselves for reasons also got reborn
It’s kind of interesting that Optimus prime actually started out being Optimus prime, but then became a Ryan Pax, and got back the name “Optimus prime.”
Alchemist prime is definitely a Cybertronian newcomer’s best friend. I’m surprised that a story hasn’t shown alchemist prime on the Cybertronian council of worlds. I think it would be a pretty interesting story to tell.
My betting money is that the Primes will be that year's Junkion/Fossilizer/Weaponizer. I liked the idea of the Primes representing different species of Transformers. Onyx Primal representing the beast formers, Amalgamous Prime representing the shifters (Triple changers and above) and so on. But because Prima is used in so many female idioms (Prima Ballerina, Primadonna) I always saw her as female too. I hope that by then we can have a real story injected into the toyline. Legacy has been mostly adrift because we have favs from all these continuities, but they do nothing with each. Nothing with the Junkions facing off against the Insecticons or G2 as a long forgotten tribe of Transformers returning to the fold. just figures on the blank canvas of a barren wasteland. How boring?
It would be really interesting if there was actually enough budget to make Megatron be able to combine with Megatronus a.k.a. “the fallen“ and then arm Megatron with both his fusion cannon, and the Requiem blaster arm cannon. Optimus prime would probably have to combine his current body with his old “prime” body. That would probably be enough to compete with the power of Megatron and the prime that he named himself after.
They Seems neat and all but I think only of them should have prime in the name or all of them should have it for consistency. Plus they would be more identifiable if there weren’t 2 beard old men 2 pranksters and 2 evil dudes
My hope for a liege maximo toy is he has the look of the aligned continuity image of loki but come with a second head based off of his G2 look to go with G2 jiaxus and the G2 Troop biulder decepticon
I'm coming to this video late, but I personally don't really like the idea of having more primes outside of The Fallen being evil from the get-go. Personally, it made sense for The Fallen to fall. He's the god of war, and what would his purpose be without war? Maximo also being an evil takes away from the fall of The Fallen in my eyes as if Primus, the god of light/creation, can intensionally make a bot with an evil core. It throws the whole mytholos out of wack.
Ok Quick question, so Optimus was part of the original 13 and then put himself in a normal body (orion Pax) and then got turned back into optimus in the gen 1 series?
No, in the G1 series there was no Thirteen to begin with, only in modern versions. And when Optimus IS the Thirteenth Prime, yes, he gives up divinity to become a normal Transformer, but once he regains the name Optimus Prime, he doesn't regain divinity or memories of his past life. The name of the Thirteenth Prime is unknown specifically so nobody makes the connection in canon.
I would really like a figure of Optimus prime original form, before he reduced himself to Orion packs, and then his Orion packs body got upgraded into the Optimus prime, that we know and love.
I have my own thoughts about the 13... There's parts of it I do actually like and others I think don't really work at all. Conceptually the idea of the first Primes or the first Transformers is really good, I'd love to see it elaborated on more. That's all well and good. I do however take issue with the idea that there's specifically 13 of them which feels very limiting as far as story potential. Plus they've already broken that rule multiple times, in the live action films there's only 7 of them. They also keep changing their status, like we now know them as the original Primes, they all share that title but originally they weren't all Primes, some of them were, others weren't. Alpha Trion originally was never intended to be a Prime but he was always depicted as one of the first Transformers. There's another reason the number makes no sense which I'll get into later. So now I'll get into my thoughts on each of the Primes individually...
Prima being the first Prime... it's not really clear if his name is meant to be a variation on Prime like Primus and Primal or if his full name is meant to be Prima Prime. If his name is a variation and it's just Prima then wouldn't that technically make Primus himself the first Prime? It would make more sense for Prima to be the first if his full name was Prima Prime but then it sounds a little bit redundant. Other than what exactly his name is being slightly confusing I don't really have an issue with Prima himself. I do however take an issue with the Matrix if leadership specifically in the "Aligned continuity". G1 had a much better idea with the Matrix being passed from one Autobot leader to the next and we don't really have a full list of everyone who has ever held it but unfortunately for the Aligned continuity we do and it's the most boring thing ever. According to the Covenant of Primus the Autobot Matrix of Leadership has only ever been held by all of THREE characters. Prima to Sentinel Prime to Optimus Prime. That's it, that's the full complete list of every Prime to have ever held the Matrix. Which considering Optimus is one of the 13 means there are officially a grand total of 14 Primes in all of Cybertron's history and only 1 of them is not one of the original 13. That sort of takes all the mystery and gravitas behind the artifact when there is literally just ONE guy standing between Prima and Optimus. BTW I don't really believe that the "Aligned" continuity even really exists because the WfC/FoC video games called him Zeta Prime not Sentinel Prime. There's also fiction that tries to retcon it to Sentinel Zeta Prime being his full name to make the two completely different names work but it's pretty clear they're literally two entirely different characters. How is there a legacy of Primes who have held the Matrix of Leadership if that legacy is literally just 3 dudes, two of which are treated as Demi-gods. There were a lot more guys between Prima and Optimus in the G1 continuity. Sentinel was only the most recent before Optimus in a long line of Autobots not literally the next in line after Prima.
Alpha Trion, nearly perfect... as I hinted in the first post, I have no issues with Alpha Trion being one of the original Transformers... it is an issue however making him a Prime. Like he's literally never been addressed as Alpha Trion Prime even when he's officially classified as a Prime. There's also an issue with the fact that Alpha Trion isn't even his original name, it's A-3. So is it A-3 Prime? This is again why I hate the idea of the Primes being Multiversal singularities because in order for that to make any sense A-3 has to be cannon in every continuity not just the G1 Cartoon. And it can't be cannon in every continuity if different continuities actively contradict each other as to who exactly Alpha Trion is. Then there's also the SG version who is a psychotic killer so dangerous even the other SG Autobots are afraid of him. That obviously can't be the same guy as the heroic Alpha Trion.
Solus Prime, the first female transformer. The Covenant of Primus explains that male and female is deviated typically at 1:1 ratio with little exceptions here and there but for Transformers it's a 12:1 ratio explain why there is only one female among the 13 and why female Transformers are so rare in general. It's worth pointing out here that the actual real life author of the Covenant of Primus is a woman so this isn't a man writing in an excuse for fembots to exist, this is a woman writing it. Though she does write the book entirely from the perspective of Alpha Trion writing it which is actually one of my favorite things about the book. Anyway... there is one issue here with Solus being the first Female Transformer... the fact that keeping Alpha Trion as one of the first Transformers also means that in G1 continuity Beta was the first Fembot. She was A-3's girlfriend in the episode "Forever is a Long Time Coming." They could retcon Beta and Solus to be the same character but that would create other problems. Oh and I'm Greek so I'm legally obligated to point this out... Solus Prime is basically a gender bent robotic Hephaestus. She literally has the same role in the 13 as Hephaestus had among the Olympians, creating the weapons of all the other gods.
Micronus Prime being the first Mini-con except he isn't... And this where there is conflict with both Vector Prime and Solus Prime. Vector Prime famously has a Mini-con partner in Cybertron who is arguably just as old as he is so Safeguard is the first Mini-con. Then there's the issue with the fact that Vector Prime's toy was repainted for Botcon into Alpha Trion and Safeguard became Beta Maxx as a reference to Beta from the G1 cartoon... so Beta Maxx is both the first Fembot and the first Mini-con... So we now have 2 characters who can compete for the title of the first Fembot and 3 characters who could be called the first Mini-con. I'd also like to point out that according to Aligned continuity Primus created the 13 which means he created Micronus but in the Unicron Trilogy it's said that Unicron created the Mini-con faction, not Primus so again the whole multiversal singularity thing doesn't work because the origin of the Mini-cons changes based on which continuity you're looking at.
I never liked the idea of Optimus prime being one of the 13. It's a little too much for me, so he was always perfect. For being so radically different I prefer the Animated and One take on Optimus, for having the courage and bravery to lead, and then becoming worthy of the Matrix.
In my opinion I think that the 13 Primes should turn into Cybertronian space ships because the 3 primes that we have as toys being the fallen, vector Prime and titans return Alpha Trion have spaceships as alt modes
I would love to have Onyx Prime transform into a hippogriff. We don't have enough transformers characters that transform into other mythological beasts. Most of them transform into dragons or draconian creatures, and we only have one transformers character that transforms into a unicorn. Plus, it will give Hasbro the excuse to do a Transformers and Harry Potter collaborative Buckbeak figure from leader class Onyx Prime.
This might sound dumb, but am I the only one who kinda wants Leige Maximo to be a Prime created by Unicron? Just saying, if he’s going to be Transformers Loki, then it would make sense if he was the one member of the group who wasn’t even of the same race as them; since most versions of Loki have him be descended from a separate group of beings. Actually, if LM is Loki…then which of The Primes is Odin?
I'm still very confused about how actual toys of the Thirteen are supposed to square with the lore. Like, Amalgamous Prime's artifact is the original T-Cog, right? So did all the other Primes obtain alt modes through his power? And is Onyx Prime's centaur mode his robot mode or his beast mode? Also it's weird how much the story of the Thirteen so often centers on the Schism, when like ten or eleven of them are almost pure good?
@@Funnyds44 Nova Prime originated in IDW. Dreamwave went bankrupt before he even existed. I think you're confusing him with Sentinel Prime. And even then, Sentinel's only listed as part of them in the Machinima Prime Wars series.
@@lyokomajor I know sentinel was never apart of the 13 but your probably right about me confusing him someone because I remember reading somewhere that he was listed as the 9th prime that went on a galactic exploration into the dark dimension and then coming back as a version of nemesis prime
@@Funnyds44 Ok. That's what happens to Nova in the IDW comics. But where are you getting this whole "9th Prime" thing? He served under Prima as Nova Major and only took the Prime name after the whole conflict with the original 13 ended and they all died or left Cybertron.
This video sure highlights why the Thirteen sure are boring. "And this one is the prankster. Except THIS one is EVEN MORE the prankster. And this one is the most spiritual. Except this one, he's MOST MOST spiritual!" Coupled with bland, ugly designs and they just torpedo my interest whenever they show up.
Exactly. With a few exceptions, they're nothing more than lore. Just a few names and designs with little substance about them aside from a history lesson. It's why Vector Prime is my favorite of the group. He actually got a spotlight as one of the main cast members in a series, and proved to be a great character in his own right. He was treated as a big deal, sure, but not so big that he wasn't above the rest of the cast. He could interact and form bonds with his allies, which led to a heartbreaking heroic sacrifice so Optimus and the Autobots could save the universe from the Unicron Singularity. Aside from maybe Alchemist Prime in Cyberverse, you don't really see the others fleshed out in a similar way.
The streak's been over for a while now. We hit the one year mark, so TJ stopped prodding it due to noticing people repeatedly leaving and rejoining. He doesn't want to pressure people to repeatedly throw money at him just for the sake of an arbitrary streak.
I know everyone tends to focus on the Fallen and Prima, but I think it would genuinely be really cool to have a toyline that fills out the rest of the thirteen (and not just as re-paints)
My man, literally next year.
Guess what the leaks have said about next year's line
Wait… so is Onyx Prime not going to be Convobat? Cause I wanted Convobat.
@@Roam85 You're thinking of Onyx Primal.
@@Roam85 hi dude how are you
my favorite version of Megatronus is that he is currently flying amongst the stars and no one has heard from him since. rumors have spread of his deeds, weither they're true or just tall tales is up for debate, which causes Megatron to come into existence
Which continuity is this?
@@moonwhooper I honestly can't remember. it may have been fanfiction, may have been a comic, I honestly do not know
You mean the one described in The Covenant of Primus?
@@moonwhooper It’s the one from The Aligned Continuity, specifically from the guidebook, The Covenant of Primus.
If Hasbro weren’t cowards they’d give us Logos Prime.
Logos just needs a Cybertron Soundwave to be repainted from
Honestly I don't see why Logos Prime couldn't be included. The 13 were established in the Aligned Continuity, where Soundwave's Casettes were Mini-Cons. Logos Prime could be the God of Deployers who deploys Micronus.
They did just buy a siege soundblaster mate Logos is just soundblaster from the Cybertron show.
And if you a stickler for that mold being Logos just wait they are doing Little bits of Cybertron toys like Override am sure they will get to soundwave and boom you will get a re colour of him to be soundblaster.
I use FoC Soundblaster as the Logos in my 13.
I've had a headcanon that Logos Prime is Liege Maximo's real name. He just wants to be different.
I have to wonder if characters like Logos Prime are going to be factored into the Prime-centric line next year
If you want more info on the Thirteen, Chris McFeely's series The Basic's has several videos that can help. One goes over who they are as a group, and several of them have individual videos. Some of the videos are a few years old at this point, so some of the information maybe out of date, but definitely a good starting point.
My personal canon makes the Thirteen’s membership this:
*Prima* (leader of the Thirteen; first to be created by Primus; lacks an alternate mode; a bit holier than thou; wields the Light Legend, a powerful sword capable of casting out Unicron’s corruption)
*Megatronus Prime* (the Thirteen’s strongest warrior and spouse of Solus; bickers with Prima a lot; the “irritable but deep down he cares” type; strong sense of justice; very stubborn; has the vaporizing Requiem Blaster strapped to his forearm)
*Solus Prime* (the lone female of the Thirteen, their blacksmith, and Megatronus’s beloved; an enthusiastic tinkerer too curious for her own good; wields her mighty Forgehammer when constructing things or in combat)
*Nexus Prime* (the first gestalt Cybertronian composed of five currently-unnamed bots; struggling to figure out identities for himself and his components; bears the Enigma of Combination, a relic that allows those who come into contact with it to become combiners like himself)
*Onyx Prime* (the first Cybertronian with a beast mode; deeply spiritual and deeply compassionate; possesses the Triptych Mask that allows him to project his consciousness across the universe)
*Amalgamous Prime* (the first multi-changer; a scatterbrained and laidback individual; wields the Chaos Scythe, a weapon that can become whatever the user can imagine)
*Alchemist Prime* (cheery elemental and metallurgist; known to brew some very potent Energon mixes; wears the powerful Lenses over his eyes which let him see the physical and spiritual aspects of the universe in perfect harmony)
*Alpha Trion* (chronicler of Cybertron’s history; the Moses of the bunch; blessed with the Quill and author of the Cybertronian holy book the Covenant of Primus)
*Liege Maximo* (pragmatic and manipulative strategist; a firm believer in Cybertronian supremacy; dangerously charismatic; uses his Liegian Darts to convert others to his way of thinking)
*Mortilus Prime* (the personification of death as a concept; surprisingly values life an awful lot; wields the twin Sickles of Life and Death that represent the circle of life)
*Vector Prime* (guardian over space and time; somewhat disconnected from his brethren because of his work requiring him to exist outside of time; uses the Sandglass to traverse through time)
*Micronus Prime* (the first “Mini-Con”; takes himself incredibly seriously ignoring his small size; capable of empowering others using his Chimera Stone and a technique known as “Powerlinxing”)
*Trecerus Prime* (the youngest of the Thirteen; a turbo-revving hot-rodding lad trying to find his place in the world; chose to be reborn as a normal Cybertronian)
Hmmm... I wonder who Trecerus Prime gets reborn as... It couldn't possibly be another famous turbo-revving young punk...
@@tomhur1 It'd make more sense than "The Arisen" being reborn as Optimus, anyway. I'm leaning more towards the IDW2 version of the Thirteenth, where they're the Matrix's true and final bearer. And what exactly was Hot Rod in the 86 movie? The Chosen One, the one destined to destroy the Chaos-Bringer.
I actually have an entire Thirteen-themed comic miniseries concept (complete with 13 issues) ready. The idea is to tell what amounts to the Transformers' Pentateuch- their creation, fall, the birth of the Transformers as a race, and their journey from slavery under the Quintessons to their "promised land". It'd also play with the Thirteen's usual mythos, casting familiar faces in new roles and even outright subverting their traditional roles (Megatronus dies, becoming "The Fallen" by virtue of being the first Transformer to die, and is survived by Solus).
If anyone is wondering where Quintus is, I don't like the idea of the Quints being the creation of a Transformer who then somehow managed to conquer their creators. Besides, Censere/Mortilus struck me as doing his whole "organic life matters" thing a whole lot better.
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho Well great minds think alike I suppose, because I literally had the exact same idea regarding how the matrix works (It's searching for it's final bearer in this case Hot Rod) and Hot Rod being the Arisen.
@@tomhur1 hi dude how are you
I think an RID 2001 Megatron/Galvatron repaint and slight remold would've been a good enough Amalgamus Prime toy
My money's on him being a pretool for Quickswitch
Some think he may be like the fossilizers.
I ended up having 01 Galvatron be my representative for an Almagus figure.
19:20 Actually no, in Transformers RID2015, we get a shifter in action, Psuedo. From that ghost western town episode. I still wanna see him released as the train.
Same, we get too few trainformers & good ones at that.
Justice for Logos Prime
Funnily enough Sandstorm is the breakout character of The Covenant mostly because easy scorpius repaint.
Personally I prefer the "multiversal Thirteen" compared to the Covenant Thirteen. Making Alpha Trion and Optimus members of the Thirteen was just a cheap retcon. Also Habro refusing to classify Logos Prime among the Thirteen simply because he was created by Takara (yes, they really said that) is such unnecessary levels of pettiness. IMO he'd actually be one of the best characters to use for the new toyline, I'd love to see a modern update of the Cybertron Soundwave/Soundblaster toy
Yeah. When I wrote my own version of the Transformers creation myth, I primarily pulled from the Multiversal roster. Mostly because I saw the Covenant Thirteen as being too closely aligned with the... Aligned fiction. Though I did pull from that version in a few areas. Namely, I used Quintus Prime over Mortilus, incorporated aspects of the Solus and Megatronus love story, and I infused a little bit of Alpha Trion into Solomus Prime.
That said, I put my own spin on a lot of things, mostly to make it feel more like a fleshed out polytheistic pantheon, rather than a "God and angels versus Satan and demons" thing.
Tbh, I’m fine with Alpha Trion being apart of the Thirteen based on The Key to Vector Sigma and him suggesting he’s one of the first Cybertronians, but yea. I really would rather have Logos Prime over most of the “filler” that’s in the Covenant Thirteen.
I didn't realize Unicron's taint was somehow inside any of them. That would explain why they're assholes.
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So, the covenant of Primus is the collective term of 12 robots, as well as a book.
We should have gotten the primes in power of the primes toyline, the original war for cybertron toyline should have gave us a zeta prime like they did with senator ratbat , we should have been gotten the 13 already lol
Logos Prime is Cybertron/Galaxy Force Soundblaster.
The Last Autobot is Autonomous Maximus.
I'm curious on 2, interested by a third.
Amalgamous and Nexus will be strange. Amalgamous I expect RID 2001 Megs-like design, Nexus however, I suspect will be the year's Titan.
Now, Lokius Prime, er, Liege Maximo is gonna be interesting because _he is literally a Loki bot,_ However I don't expect him to be a beast because that's Onyx's place. And it will be neat to have Solus and Megatronus.
Regarding Nexus, I think HasTak is going to wait until the rest of the Combaticons are made (in "Prime" year 2) so they have molds for Heatwave, Landquake, and Topspin (Onslaught, Brawl, and Vortex) to accompany "Prime" year's molds for Skyfall and Breakaway (my money's on Air Raid being used for Breakaway and Fireflight with HEAVY retooling being used for Skyfall).
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho Fair, I'm not thinking in the range of a bunch of bots but a single Titan that can break into bots and vehicles, the Nexus Armada if you will.
@@k.m.k.2976 Megatronus and Solus are likely, as they're typical big players
I like the idea of the thirteen. But I don't like it being optimus. Hot rod would be a better idea. Make more sense that he was the heart of the group. Plus it would give credit to why he just wants to be a free spirit due to the old regret he had in his first life.
I really don't like the idea of Optimus being the reincarnation of the 13th prime. That is way too weird.
Same. If anything that feels like it would work better as a Hotrod thing.
@@Andyjoe522 Even for Hot Rod, I just don't like the idea.
A person who made himself worthy is always be better than a person who choosen to be worthy , that's why I don't like the idea of optimus being The 13th prime ,Orion pax was being worthy as a prime is great because he depicts the spirit and will power to be it ,meanwhile the chosen one concept brought no value to table of being worthy ,i just like to believe that optimus wasn't the 13th prime but a self made fighter who stands worthy of being a prime
@@Ankit-hw7hg Yeah. In Cyberverse and TF One, he was just chosen because he deserved it. That is good writing. Not, "He is the descendant of the 13 Primes."
@@bowserbreaker2515 i don't think he's a choosen one in TF prime but a worthy self made one because I have not seen any reference of him being the 13th prime as I remember in transformers prime
The Thirteen is one of those concepts that seems like it should be really cool, but rarely actually is. Most of the lore surrounding them is lackluster at best, and it really leans into this cosmic angle that I feel just doesn't work most of the time in Transformers. It didn't help that the whole multiversal angle, which was meant to make them seem cooler, just made them a lot more conceptually messy.
Then again, part of it for me might just be that Alternity took "Transformers as cosmic-scale gods" and sold it in a way that no Thirteen story ever has.
Alchemist and Vector are the only primes I really care about. I haven't seen Cybertron, but I do know about Ask Vector Prime. And Maccadam was great in Cyberverse.
I prefer how they used Megatronus. Instead of Megatron being reborn super evil, he just named himself after the worst of the Primes. Better than Optimus being an original 13. I prefer him as a character rooted in the fact his strength comes from himself and his values.
Onyx Prime: the Cybertronian god of tribal tattoos.
Very enjoyable video
I think it is pretty impossible to make a figure of Amalgamus prime unless you go full plastic spagetti on his transformation
Feels like everyone who says this forgot about the weaponizers/modulators/all the recent TFs with a gimmick of splitting apart and being mixed and matched into different forms.
I like assuming the Quintessons are above all this. They created these two planet-sized transformers. Or else where would the technology came from. While Unicron eventually went on exploring space for Glory, Primus created 2 types of Transformers : Advanced ones like him (who became Decepticons) and Working Class ones (The Autobots) to defend himself. Then Primes are created by the spark ( Vector Sigma) of Primus (Cybertron) as well.
Eh, I like the idea that Primus and Unicron are just one of the first things in the Universe and the Quints just were lying.
thanks for the informational video, super appreciated!
So quick theory, we know Optimus is supposedly the 13th prime, but since he sacrificed himself to be reborn what if the others who sacrificed themselves for reasons also got reborn
It’s kind of interesting that Optimus prime actually started out being Optimus prime, but then became a Ryan Pax, and got back the name “Optimus prime.”
Alchemist prime is definitely a Cybertronian newcomer’s best friend. I’m surprised that a story hasn’t shown alchemist prime on the Cybertronian council of worlds. I think it would be a pretty interesting story to tell.
11:50 That's Amalgamous Prime youre describing...
15:30 why is Shockwave here
My betting money is that the Primes will be that year's Junkion/Fossilizer/Weaponizer. I liked the idea of the Primes representing different species of Transformers. Onyx Primal representing the beast formers, Amalgamous Prime representing the shifters (Triple changers and above) and so on. But because Prima is used in so many female idioms (Prima Ballerina, Primadonna) I always saw her as female too.
I hope that by then we can have a real story injected into the toyline. Legacy has been mostly adrift because we have favs from all these continuities, but they do nothing with each. Nothing with the Junkions facing off against the Insecticons or G2 as a long forgotten tribe of Transformers returning to the fold. just figures on the blank canvas of a barren wasteland. How boring?
As of today, you were right with the new Age of the Primes toyline.
You would probably have to introduce something like the “amalgamist core” to explain how you could be able to make toys of this character.
19:58 out of the Thirteen Primes, Megatronus is my personal favorite Prime.
Changed my question at the final hour!
Autonomous Maximus.was the name of The Last Autobot.
Logos Prime was Cybertron Soundblaster.
*watches after finishing with his own DnD session* Hey! My character's in some legit trouble too!
It would be really interesting if there was actually enough budget to make Megatron be able to combine with Megatronus a.k.a. “the fallen“ and then arm Megatron with both his fusion cannon, and the Requiem blaster arm cannon. Optimus prime would probably have to combine his current body with his old “prime” body. That would probably be enough to compete with the power of Megatron and the prime that he named himself after.
They Seems neat and all but I think only of them should have prime in the name or all of them should have it for consistency. Plus they would be more identifiable if there weren’t 2 beard old men 2 pranksters and 2 evil dudes
I came into the twitch stream LATE tonight, I have a lot to catch up on tomorrow and now I'm watching this. J.O.U.S.T. turned into Botanica.
My hope for a liege maximo toy is he has the look of the aligned continuity image of loki but come with a second head based off of his G2 look to go with G2 jiaxus and the G2 Troop biulder decepticon
Amalgamous is gonna be an interesting one for a toy
I'm coming to this video late, but I personally don't really like the idea of having more primes outside of The Fallen being evil from the get-go.
Personally, it made sense for The Fallen to fall. He's the god of war, and what would his purpose be without war?
Maximo also being an evil takes away from the fall of The Fallen in my eyes as if Primus, the god of light/creation, can intensionally make a bot with an evil core. It throws the whole mytholos out of wack.
Ok Quick question, so Optimus was part of the original 13 and then put himself in a normal body (orion Pax) and then got turned back into optimus in the gen 1 series?
No, in the G1 series there was no Thirteen to begin with, only in modern versions. And when Optimus IS the Thirteenth Prime, yes, he gives up divinity to become a normal Transformer, but once he regains the name Optimus Prime, he doesn't regain divinity or memories of his past life. The name of the Thirteenth Prime is unknown specifically so nobody makes the connection in canon.
I like the POTP primes but refuse to see them as the actual primes themselves, but servants who guard conduits their power incarnate.
Take a shot every time you say"suffice to say"
I would really like a figure of Optimus prime original form, before he reduced himself to Orion packs, and then his Orion packs body got upgraded into the Optimus prime, that we know and love.
Did I miss something,or did you not include Nova Prime.?
Is he not a member of the 13.?
Fairly sure he's usually portrayed as a previous leader of Cybertron like Sentinel Prime.
@@Andyjoe522
I could've sworn I read somewhere he was part of the 13..
Nova is not within the "Aligned" continuity book, these 13 are.
Nova Prime is (typically) the first Prime after the Thirteen.
Thanks for the clarification everyone
You're all really helpful
I have my own thoughts about the 13... There's parts of it I do actually like and others I think don't really work at all. Conceptually the idea of the first Primes or the first Transformers is really good, I'd love to see it elaborated on more. That's all well and good.
I do however take issue with the idea that there's specifically 13 of them which feels very limiting as far as story potential. Plus they've already broken that rule multiple times, in the live action films there's only 7 of them. They also keep changing their status, like we now know them as the original Primes, they all share that title but originally they weren't all Primes, some of them were, others weren't. Alpha Trion originally was never intended to be a Prime but he was always depicted as one of the first Transformers. There's another reason the number makes no sense which I'll get into later.
So now I'll get into my thoughts on each of the Primes individually...
Prima being the first Prime... it's not really clear if his name is meant to be a variation on Prime like Primus and Primal or if his full name is meant to be Prima Prime. If his name is a variation and it's just Prima then wouldn't that technically make Primus himself the first Prime? It would make more sense for Prima to be the first if his full name was Prima Prime but then it sounds a little bit redundant.
Other than what exactly his name is being slightly confusing I don't really have an issue with Prima himself. I do however take an issue with the Matrix if leadership specifically in the "Aligned continuity". G1 had a much better idea with the Matrix being passed from one Autobot leader to the next and we don't really have a full list of everyone who has ever held it but unfortunately for the Aligned continuity we do and it's the most boring thing ever. According to the Covenant of Primus the Autobot Matrix of Leadership has only ever been held by all of THREE characters. Prima to Sentinel Prime to Optimus Prime. That's it, that's the full complete list of every Prime to have ever held the Matrix. Which considering Optimus is one of the 13 means there are officially a grand total of 14 Primes in all of Cybertron's history and only 1 of them is not one of the original 13. That sort of takes all the mystery and gravitas behind the artifact when there is literally just ONE guy standing between Prima and Optimus.
BTW I don't really believe that the "Aligned" continuity even really exists because the WfC/FoC video games called him Zeta Prime not Sentinel Prime. There's also fiction that tries to retcon it to Sentinel Zeta Prime being his full name to make the two completely different names work but it's pretty clear they're literally two entirely different characters. How is there a legacy of Primes who have held the Matrix of Leadership if that legacy is literally just 3 dudes, two of which are treated as Demi-gods. There were a lot more guys between Prima and Optimus in the G1 continuity. Sentinel was only the most recent before Optimus in a long line of Autobots not literally the next in line after Prima.
Vector Prime... perfect, no issues with him specifically but there will be an issue I'm going to bring up later.
Alpha Trion, nearly perfect... as I hinted in the first post, I have no issues with Alpha Trion being one of the original Transformers... it is an issue however making him a Prime. Like he's literally never been addressed as Alpha Trion Prime even when he's officially classified as a Prime.
There's also an issue with the fact that Alpha Trion isn't even his original name, it's A-3. So is it A-3 Prime? This is again why I hate the idea of the Primes being Multiversal singularities because in order for that to make any sense A-3 has to be cannon in every continuity not just the G1 Cartoon. And it can't be cannon in every continuity if different continuities actively contradict each other as to who exactly Alpha Trion is. Then there's also the SG version who is a psychotic killer so dangerous even the other SG Autobots are afraid of him. That obviously can't be the same guy as the heroic Alpha Trion.
Solus Prime, the first female transformer. The Covenant of Primus explains that male and female is deviated typically at 1:1 ratio with little exceptions here and there but for Transformers it's a 12:1 ratio explain why there is only one female among the 13 and why female Transformers are so rare in general. It's worth pointing out here that the actual real life author of the Covenant of Primus is a woman so this isn't a man writing in an excuse for fembots to exist, this is a woman writing it. Though she does write the book entirely from the perspective of Alpha Trion writing it which is actually one of my favorite things about the book.
Anyway... there is one issue here with Solus being the first Female Transformer... the fact that keeping Alpha Trion as one of the first Transformers also means that in G1 continuity Beta was the first Fembot. She was A-3's girlfriend in the episode "Forever is a Long Time Coming." They could retcon Beta and Solus to be the same character but that would create other problems.
Oh and I'm Greek so I'm legally obligated to point this out... Solus Prime is basically a gender bent robotic Hephaestus. She literally has the same role in the 13 as Hephaestus had among the Olympians, creating the weapons of all the other gods.
Micronus Prime being the first Mini-con except he isn't... And this where there is conflict with both Vector Prime and Solus Prime.
Vector Prime famously has a Mini-con partner in Cybertron who is arguably just as old as he is so Safeguard is the first Mini-con. Then there's the issue with the fact that Vector Prime's toy was repainted for Botcon into Alpha Trion and Safeguard became Beta Maxx as a reference to Beta from the G1 cartoon... so Beta Maxx is both the first Fembot and the first Mini-con...
So we now have 2 characters who can compete for the title of the first Fembot and 3 characters who could be called the first Mini-con.
I'd also like to point out that according to Aligned continuity Primus created the 13 which means he created Micronus but in the Unicron Trilogy it's said that Unicron created the Mini-con faction, not Primus so again the whole multiversal singularity thing doesn't work because the origin of the Mini-cons changes based on which continuity you're looking at.
Tj which decepticon would be a good new prime and hold the matrix
So if Prima is the paladin, would that make Onyx Prime the druid?
What would you be if you were a prime and which number would you be
I never liked the idea of Optimus prime being one of the 13. It's a little too much for me, so he was always perfect. For being so radically different I prefer the Animated and One take on Optimus, for having the courage and bravery to lead, and then becoming worthy of the Matrix.
It's primin' time
i wonder what the primes would transform into if the make new figures for them
In my opinion I think that the 13 Primes should turn into Cybertronian space ships because the 3 primes that we have as toys being the fallen, vector Prime and titans return Alpha Trion have spaceships as alt modes
I would love to have Onyx Prime transform into a hippogriff. We don't have enough transformers characters that transform into other mythological beasts. Most of them transform into dragons or draconian creatures, and we only have one transformers character that transforms into a unicorn. Plus, it will give Hasbro the excuse to do a Transformers and Harry Potter collaborative Buckbeak figure from leader class Onyx Prime.
I feel like a Chimera would be a logical way to tie into every beast former.
This might sound dumb, but am I the only one who kinda wants Leige Maximo to be a Prime created by Unicron?
Just saying, if he’s going to be Transformers Loki, then it would make sense if he was the one member of the group who wasn’t even of the same race as them; since most versions of Loki have him be descended from a separate group of beings. Actually, if LM is Loki…then which of The Primes is Odin?
The downfall of the 13 prime’s in a nutshell. family game night gone wrong!
If we call the OG Thirteen the “Alpha Primes”, would the secondary legendary primes be considered “Beta Primes” or similar? What about the Zodiac 12?
I just want a nexus and onyx, and fallen. Mostly nexus
So, who created the Quintessons then?
In aligned quintus prime, in other continuities they just exist
I'm still very confused about how actual toys of the Thirteen are supposed to square with the lore. Like, Amalgamous Prime's artifact is the original T-Cog, right? So did all the other Primes obtain alt modes through his power? And is Onyx Prime's centaur mode his robot mode or his beast mode?
Also it's weird how much the story of the Thirteen so often centers on the Schism, when like ten or eleven of them are almost pure good?
The other 12 don't *have* alt-modes to begin with...
Bro forgot about Nova Prime 💀
Nova Prime isn't part of the 13. Never has been.
@@lyokomajor in different series he,s been listed as the 9th prime such as the manga and dreamwave comics
@@Funnyds44 Nova Prime originated in IDW. Dreamwave went bankrupt before he even existed.
I think you're confusing him with Sentinel Prime. And even then, Sentinel's only listed as part of them in the Machinima Prime Wars series.
@@lyokomajor I know sentinel was never apart of the 13 but your probably right about me confusing him someone because I remember reading somewhere that he was listed as the 9th prime that went on a galactic exploration into the dark dimension and then coming back as a version of nemesis prime
@@Funnyds44 Ok. That's what happens to Nova in the IDW comics. But where are you getting this whole "9th Prime" thing? He served under Prima as Nova Major and only took the Prime name after the whole conflict with the original 13 ended and they all died or left Cybertron.
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This video sure highlights why the Thirteen sure are boring. "And this one is the prankster. Except THIS one is EVEN MORE the prankster. And this one is the most spiritual. Except this one, he's MOST MOST spiritual!" Coupled with bland, ugly designs and they just torpedo my interest whenever they show up.
Exactly. With a few exceptions, they're nothing more than lore. Just a few names and designs with little substance about them aside from a history lesson.
It's why Vector Prime is my favorite of the group. He actually got a spotlight as one of the main cast members in a series, and proved to be a great character in his own right. He was treated as a big deal, sure, but not so big that he wasn't above the rest of the cast. He could interact and form bonds with his allies, which led to a heartbreaking heroic sacrifice so Optimus and the Autobots could save the universe from the Unicron Singularity. Aside from maybe Alchemist Prime in Cyberverse, you don't really see the others fleshed out in a similar way.
WAIT WAIT WHY DIDN'T HE SAY "Before we begin, thank you to-"?!?! DID WE LOSE THE STREAK????? WHAT DID I MISS
The streak's been over for a while now. We hit the one year mark, so TJ stopped prodding it due to noticing people repeatedly leaving and rejoining. He doesn't want to pressure people to repeatedly throw money at him just for the sake of an arbitrary streak.
@@Andyjoe522 Ohh okay. I missed quite a few vids so thanks for the clarification. That's a good reason