How SMART is The NZXT H700i?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Is the Smart Device from NZXT a fail or is it kinda cool? And does Machine Learning have a place when it comes to optimising your PC? Let's find out!
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3:35 That sensual power supply touch tho
Really in-depth review Ali!
What I best liked about your review is the way you dismantled the whole Smart Hub to find whether there's a "microphone" or not.
Dimitri from Hardware Canucks was wrong when he reviewed the H700i - he said there was no "microphone" in there and the acoustics were measured in tandem with the FAN RPM.
I'm now gonna tweet this to him. Kudos! ☺
Aindrasis Gupta In depth? LOL
Marcelo Tezza Well, when another review gives you straight wrong info, I prefer to call this as "in-depth".
First of all, nice for opening the device and checking for a mic. On the other hand, you missed a couple things. First, you plugged the CPU fan into the CPU Fan header on the motherboard, which you should not do for this device. The idea is to plug every fan on the smart device (that's why they have 3 splitters for 3 fans each), and then deactivate on the BIOS the warning for not having a CPU fan. So, if you do that, and you plug, lets say, the three front row fans to one splitter, The CPU fan to the next one, and the exhaust fan on the back on the other channel, you'll have 3 things that the smart device can control, plus the fans on the GPU, and then you give it much more room to work. I'm not saying that this will make a huge difference, but that's the way it's intended to work. If you plug the CPU fan, to the CPU fan header, you are removing the most important fan from the smart device ecuation. Anyway, love your videos, and keep up the great work!
Hey, did you try that yourself? I have the case and still thinking if I have it connected the right way. Thanks for the answer.
Michal Soltes hi. Yes, I did try it myself. I have a Tech TH-cam channel (in Spanish) and did the review of this case, and another video dedicated only to the smart device.
Hey I connected the two front fans to the 3 extra splitters but I can’t control them at all it doesn’t detect them. Why? They are cooler master sickle flow 120 with blue LED’s which do turn on. Also is it even recommended to connect the CPU fan to part of that splitter? Never mind that I’m just more concerned about the 2 front fans that work basically 24/7 and don’t turn off or slow down and they are very brand new
Connect your GPU fans? Are you on crack?
What I'm interested to know is if the cam software keeps on learning and fine tuning on the long run when you use the computer and if it improves after a period of a few weeks.
Nice to see you coming up with ideas for how this could be improved. Really nice build montage, too.
For the time being the HUB is still very useful to have cam running and monitoring the system, the adaptive is not really necessary as every fan curve including case extraction and induction, cpu and pump of your water cooling (if you use a kraken) can be programmed within cam easily using predefined setups or your own, without going in the often unfriendly tools in bios. I just created custom profiles for every set of fans and my non-overclocked system (why would I..)is fully silent even at load (8700k GTX1080ti Kraken). The case engineering is among the best I have ever dealt with and looks amazing, monolithic and minimalistic. There are a few negatives but not really deal breakers; 1) if you dont pay a lot of attention when removing the glass it will end up on the ground in pieces as there is no catch system when you unscrew it. 2) if you use kraken and h700 you will need to use an internal hub or add the wires from 2 usb headers to one as otherwise you wont be able to use the front panel usb as most mobos have two USB 2 headers. 3) sometimes cam fails to recognize all the active devices and needs you to scan for them again. 4) if you own a suction-cup based headset hook you can throw it in the bin, the surface is porous and you will need a magnetic one.
This is the best h700i review I've seen so far, Great job as always!
Really good analysis of the smart functions. Agree in forgetting about adapting for sound. It almost seems like it is trying to compensate for it's own fans not being particularly quiet?
The argument is there is no standard noise level for fans so is not a set variable but having quieter fans to begin with would probably be a better investment than this software solution.
Yep
I like how nobody mentioned aside from the gimmicks of the auto adjusting fan curves, that it also acts as hue for any fans or led strips also connected to it. Just like hue+ is an add on, at least it comes standard with this case as well as the auto fan/noise adjustments as a shitty bonus
I'm pretty happy with the case so far, but I removed that hub without even trying it. I prefer to just set up fancurves myself.
Why not buy the h700 tho? If youre not gonna use the Smart device
I've heard some bad things about it, but using the custom fan curve made a HUGE difference in temps for me.
I personally think the cam system is pretty nice set up works pretty good for me it’s amazing and them being the first to make such a thing have to give them props to pull it off. I just built my system and I’m using cam with the hue 2 with 6 Aer RGB fans and led strips, i7 8700 NZxt kraken x62,32gb ddr4 trident z rgb, gaming 7 Z370 mobo rtx 2080ti ftw3
Do you have any issues with your x62 not being recognized by CAM? I've heard people say this has happened and their CPU temps spike up to dangerous levels.
Arckanum it has happened once since I have had this set up!!!! And all you do is close cam app and reopen and it’s all there
Thanks for the honest review once again, i really like how you go further than the other reviewers. Props to you and your channel mate.
I have this case and personally, I've used the "smart" setting once just out of curiosity. I prefer to use my own custom curves. I don't regret buying the case though, it's great and I love the quality and the features.
Bought one of these for my test system, still haven't used any of the smart features 😛
Same RAM too 👌
Haha nice! The 4 pre-installed fans are definitely appreciated.
Another very well made and informative video. Thumbs up.
you deserve so many subscribers keep it up fam :)
Really in-depht review! Good video! This case is pretty cool.
Hey got recommended by TH-cam , letting you know your definitely doing something right. Love your content.
I personally bought this case because it looks super, it has a great cable management, and it's spacious, I did not even connect this smart hub)
Awesome video ... I like yur all videos , coz of quality... Just fantastic.. 👌
Sagar Das - Thanks!
wrong mic... A PZM mic with a smart enough program to ignore big spikes like bumping the case or desk. I really like NZXT gear, they certainly try things rather than baking on what already sells.
sweet video, brother. Already subbed.
Yeah, definitely seems like a gimmick. Thanks for another awesome video!
Amazing videos, man! You just doing it right.
i have always had the best results from using speedfan. sure, you have to manually set your temps and fan speeds in a curve but the end result is always really good IF your cooling system can keep up. i do wish there was some kind of adaptive learning but i must say that this type of hardware probably works much better in a full water cooled setup as the front fans probably do not change the cpu/gpu temp much if at all, which would explain the lack of fan speed variance. i wouldnt write it off just yet, but i also agree about getting rid of the sound measurement..
personaly I had problems with my aio cooler because cam thinks that even with 0 rpm on the fans the temp is the same.so when I have their adaptive profile fans doesn't even spin.The support told me tha they had on their home one and they used the presets.that was their answer to my problem all I have to say is that their marketing team did a rly good job with those cases and the smart devices.But the reality is diferent a big hole on their software department for cam problems and their smart device
Well if it only looks for a certain pre-defined sound signature, such as maybe the sound of air rushing by, maybe it could work. But even still, placement of fans could impact that. I'd say it would probably be a lot more reliable just adjusting sound based on available temperatures during a certain load, maybe defined by percentage on both cpu and gpu, in relation to fan RPM.
It's likely just a marketing gimmick to ship more cases. Putting words like "machine learning" AI controlled" "Intelligent" etc etc probably sounds interesting to the general public.
Nice video dude,really detailed and honest! Btw,where do you get these cables for the build?
If anything, this product should somehow be able to control clock speed and cpu voltage as well. If this was possible, then you could set a ceiling for one of the settings, and optimize the other settings around it... For example, setting a certain noise ceiling, and having it optimize clock speed, fan speed, cpu temp, cpu voltage, etc.
Edit: why does this have to be a device, and not just a software download? (mic aside)
Another good review and high quality video, thumbs up! This case is basically larger version of s340 elite and looks just as stunning, but for the price you have to pay... not worth it, smart device should be sold as separate unit and case should be like $100-120, smart device seems to be a very niche questionable gimmick at best
Roman S - Thanks! I really wish the hub was dumbed down to bring the price down a bit. $199 is steep.
ordered this case for the looks and ease to build in not so much for the smart hub. They should remove it and sell it as H700 for £150
I agree from a consumer's perspective that'd be great but they are a business and not including it makes no business sense for them. Its about selling every unit for the highest possible profit margin. Including the smart controller adds value to the marketing of it now being different from their competitors - now being a "smart case" - that in itself has a monetary value attached to it which they can push to ultimately sell more volume. Probable cost is no more that a couple of $s to manufacture the fan controller in the qtys they do, when included (by default) means they can charge £35 quid more. £35 quid more to them per unit sold will always win for an investment of a couple of dollars per unit and nullifies the risk of having a warehouse full of unsold/unwanted fan controllers (which storing them costs more money) especially when it has been proved from multiple tests/sources there is little to no benefit of a consumer actually using. I know you are saying scrap it and do a 700 non-i version but others have said it should be an optional purcahse. That's why the optional part won't happen either.
u predicted the future
They did.
Love your videos!
Fist of all, good review, very helpful.
Second, NZXT could start selling them without the Hub... It's not an affordable brand anymore. Not everyone needs it/wants it. Could be just an optional extra.
sorry im dumb, but i bought the h400i and out the back all the splitters come out. do i not need to connect the fans to the motherboard at all? do i remove some splitters to remove the mess? does the smart device act as a power source for the fans? im just confused because all the videos i watch say i need to plug the fans into the fan headers on the motherboard. and there is heaps of splitters coming out the back of the case. do i just remove some of them? do the fans come already installed? do i have to just plug in the power for the smart device and thats it? sorry really confused im a new builder
*_H500i is coming._*
Where on the Mainboard do you have to connect the smart device? I heard you have to connect it to a usb 2.0 header but I can only connect it to a JUSB1 port. Is this possible?
Turn your AC off, anything that makes extra noise in the room the test is in cut it off, that solves the noise problem.
I believe it should be a standalone item, rip it out of the cases, save the consumers money and sell more cases. If the smart thing is good and is reviewed positively it will sell on its own. Would never buy a 120-150 (money) case for 200 just because it adds stuff people are not looking for, maybe I would want a popcorn machine or minifridge in it instead??^^
In my experience with CAM and NZXT as a whole.. I've vowed to never buy another NZXT product ever again with their poor customer support and lack of fixes for ANYTHING for their software. They may look nice.. But geez their software sucks.
What happened with your experience with customer service?
you are good sir ... thanks for information's .
They need to sell this separately and drop the price accordingly, not because I want one but because most people don't but do want the nice case.
This case tempered glass explodes when the system grows hot and someone just touch it as per some consumers' reviews.
NZXT needs to install a proper heat and bullet proof glass or metallic glass. It can help the glass from shattering even if the consumer hammer the glass or even punch👊🏽 the glass during heated gaming rage sessions.
Why going for cheap glass?🤦♂
Go with some good quality thick glass of at least proper shock and heat resistance.
By the way what is the thickness of NZXT's tempered glasses in H series line up of products?
I'm totally disappointed.
I mean, Glasses are exploding!!!!!!!!!!💥
🤦♂
Is it possible to use the included fans and RGB LEDs in a supported motherboard rather than going through the HUE+ system?
Own a H200i and can say that this "adaptive" fan control is just garbage. Just make your own curves and you're fine from there. I bought one just for the use of a RGB and fan hub, as I ended up with three controls for rgb (Aura sync, NZXT and Logitech) and its not a problem for me and fan connectors on an ITX board is always scarce so having that feature also helps but you could always just use a splitter from the motherboard.
imo the H200i is rather nice if you're wanting a case with aesthetics and function in mind, if not aesthetics (RGB/tempered glass), a Nano S from Fractal (or pray they make an ITX meshify) will suit nicely if you're after that same volume.
or you could make your fans silent and push infinite amounts of air by adding a few extra rgb strips. what was the point in this product.
Do you test your games fullscreen or borderless? Why not fullscreen so you can see the full FPS performance. It would change if you do it non-full screen? How many games do you test? Just one or what?
i dont like the lights.... dots of lights... can u hide them so they look more dynamic?
Thats the exact pc parts that i have
you forgot to put in the IO shield
I have the h700i and the smart hub is a piece of crap only thing is controls in my system is the LED strips. The cam software is to blame! I love the case it’s beautiful and well built a bit hard to work in tho.
Actually i'm pretty sure it's a backpropagation neural network used here. The time 20 min for each steap it's because you use termal data and you need at least 1 min beetween each point. Actually the variables you are speaking of here, the "lots of them", Neural network doesn't care about that. With enough data/try, it will define this parameters but you will need to test all year. You are not convice about Neural Network, you should read more on it ! (You can launch rocket into space without tell the computer Gravitation law)
If only they'd drop the hub and sell a "dumb" version of the case. I'd pay ~$150 that in a heartbeat.
I don't get what's so smart? My ASUS normal motherboard benchmarks the fans and sets smart curves using the AI Suite application..And if you're wondering how normal, it's an H81M-C, which is cheap and old.
I've seen comments everywhere - including people here - saying the smart fan controller should be an optional extra you could buy. That'll never happen - it is included because a plastic box with a PCB and microphone (manufacturing cost en mass would be a couple of dollars at most) which means including it by default, they can bump the price of the case *way* higher than the cost to make it and also gain a USP that is it a "smart" case. If it was an optional extra the base price of hte case would have ot be lower to complete. And who would actually buy it though and for how much? They know they can ship one per case which keeps manufacturing costs even lower. No left over stock no-=one wants in a production run. Various sources show it has little to no benefit. They will never sell it individually as the margin of proflt they can add for it included outweighs the loss they could sell it for without (maybe $30-40 less at $160 to be competitive). So a $38 markup on every unit (if these values weren't just made up for the sake of argument). This isn't the first video I've seen (although it was the best, taking it all to bits and explaining it) that says you are better just to do it yourself. Anyone suggesting this - you have to look at this from a business/profit perspective not a consumer's best interest point of view.
If you think like that: "you have to look at this from a business/profit perspective not a consumer's best interest point of view."
You have little to no reliability.
That's how financing, planning and bringing a new product to market and making it profitable for your company and your shareholders works. They don't make products with the consumer's satisfaction as the number one priority although as a consumer of course that would be best. Cost and profit margins is always the main focus in everything - budgets, time scales, production costs, R&D sampling. They tailor a product TO the consumer to provide the best product at that set price point they are selling at whilst making a set percentage of profit based on the bill of materials but in a way to make the most money in the process. If you think anything else you know nothing about corporate finance, product design and development or have never worked anywhere that has ever designed and made anything that has then been sold. That profit then gets reinvested into future projects and allows corporate growth. If you ran a company to please the customer first and give them the best deal at the expense of your own profit margins you'd stunt your own growth and if you didn't change it ultimately lose sales, your share prices would drop, you'd run at a loss, meaning ultimately you'd go out of business. Your comment has little to no validity.
LOL, mate, just stop, you are surely on some ritalin or too much cofee, i know every lit bit about it, cut the enourmous texts, i have worked as a programmer, product designer and many other things when my cousins and i was almost a one man band on our "enterprise".
The thing is, doing things without a clear purpose is throwing money on the trash!
The main focus is not cost and profit margins, those who do it are faded to end soon, they can't differentiate itself from the rest and will not stay in their hearts.
That way of thinking is why so many can't do profit anyway, does not understand the consumer.
Consumer is always first and if viable the product will be made.
Edit: for some reason this text entered when i received your other message.
The point i see is if you treat everything as business, even more youtube content which is quite on the personal level, it will not be relevant other than the rest...
Can you disable the smart device
As of today, I can report NZXT CAM is still a total mess. I advise serious caution if you're considering any product where CAM is required.
My 3 fans on the side never turn on what should I do
I really like this case. Is there a way for you to not use the CAM thing at all? and still control the fans
You can use the CAM software to control the fans and RGB with your custom curves and configurations. There some MBs that also have software to control over the fans and the RGB like Gigabyte.
Love your videos! I liked your FUSION II - Ultimate Mini Gaming PC BUILD!
Can you review that FUSION II after having used it for a few months now and maybe try to see if you can swap out the air cooler to
Kraken X62 if it is possible and test the noise levels. please thank you.
Would you say smaller cases are louder than big sturdy cases?
3:00 = what app / environment ?
there's a bit of reverb on your audio
Did you forget to put the io shield?😁😁 5:30
Saludos desde Argentina
I think he said that he lost the IO Shield of the Strix B350 (in another video). But idk
Mateo Peña Ohh sorry i'm new in this channel
Leandro Luna It was in one comment, is not easy to know it, I'm not even sure if I remember it right. Welcome!
what port in the mobo do you use to plug the smart hub into? I used a usb 2.0 male that was available at the bottom but my LED Strips ain't turning ON (even if the NZXT CAM app is detecting them)
But imagine If you have 2diferent fans that have the same efect in temperature but one have doble the noise with noise Control you can see that and slower or even stop the fan with more noise
Romeu Capela sa - definitely, but I think 'double the noise' is a bit of a stretch, unless you are using the worst fans available - unlikely in such an expensive case 😅
could someone please tell me where I plug the sata connector that comes connected to the hub. it says to connect to my psu but I dont have a port that fits it
With that smart device, NZXT just try to sell their coolers, fans, case, etc, since those smart device only work well with NZXT product. So, its smart idea, but not smart execution.
How many fps can you get in fortnite?
seen the new ncase m1 window kit?
I agree with Gamers' Nexus on this one: it's better without the smarts.
Regret getting the phanteks eclipse p400s:(
What's the different between h700 and h700i?
H700 without the "i" doesn't have the smart hub and LED strip
So can the smart device act like a different version of the nzxt hue+. I was going to get the h500i and I know with the hue+ you can daisy chain nzxt rgb fans for like a chained lighting effect, but I am wondering if the same thing can be done here so you can use 1 or 2 fan slots out of the 3 on the smart device.
does it include nzxt hue plus?
I just use it as a fan controller.
Does this have better airflow than the h500p mesh?
No. It's pretty good for a closed front though, plus it supports 360mm radiators both in the front and the top.
Hey can you help me? 😅 I need to know if my as Rock a320m dgs can support the nzxt h500i (the led and the device)
wish they made a dumb one...
nice video
can someone actually show how to install it to your mother board
shut up
Ben M. No u
Removed mine after a day
Sooooooooooo when am I going to be able to follow you on twitter? I'm already following you on Instagram but I dont use it all that much
Okay, enough people have asked for an account so I'll get one up and running next week :)
Optimum Tech well now I have something to look forward to next week I use twitter alot more than Instagram just cause there timeline kinda sucks and now I'll be able to see more crispy things from you much support from canada
Gamers Nexus did the same show and hated it.
hi, is it possible to remove the white strip in this case?
Yup. It's just a handful of screws, iirc.
The CAM software is totally crap. Don't even have individual fan speed control, use 10x CPU than speed fan, ugly, sometimes won't apply settings when PC starts. Avoid at all cost!
I wouldn't touch another NZXT product, their aftercare is atrocious!
I don't think a fan hub makes a case smart
mohamed chehida - watch the whole video :)
Mate, it's "eych", not "heych" - the letter H.
I think the problem in your review, is that you are being too simplistic, how many days are you running this one?
Do you have any response from NZXT? Are you sure that you covered the entire spectrum of functionalities, what if the point of it is to stay just above the normal levels of your room, since you have your air conditioner turned on all time, it maybe thinks that's the base volume to start with...
Just as an example, i think there's more to it than you tried to show in your review.
Marcelo Tezza - The objective was to review the setup process step-by-step provided in the CAM Software in real-world conditions. I have no contacts @ NZXT.
It's not about contracts, if i was trying to do an in depth review of something i would call the manufacturer to know as much as possible about the product to get a better grasp of the functionalities, as i saw in your video you know something about programing. You started with baseline of what the item should do based on what's your vision about it and should be based on functions, but maybe the parameters used are far more complex than you are gauging, i think your conclusion felt superficial since you didn't explored the algorithm in depth.
Anyway, i don't want to sound a hater, i generally think your methodology is good enough for most reviews, but i digress on this one, it will be hard for the majority since it's kind of a new concept. BTW, i don't have any relations to NZXT, what's so ever, just judging based on my own observations.
A manufacturer will not give you the internal workings on how/why their product is designed or functions of it outside what you know by taking it to bits. They only provide a high level description. The coding for it especially for any algorithms used will not be discussed with them, if you did contact them. The only bit they want the consumer to know (because that's the only bit that is relevant) is the final outcome not the workings of how it got to those results. The source code will be heavily protected to stop competitors stealing it and using the same methodology which they have had to pay for to R&D it. Even employees outside direct development of the software at NZXT won't have access to the code or under the hood algorithms or any idea what to tell him if they even did want to divulge any such information. He did a best guess (which is more than I've ever seen anyone else do for this product) which is the absolute best he could do and as a software tester working in a development environment (where I've never had access to the source code on anything I've worked on from financial software to high security - government level - identity management software) I'd suggest his method is definitely a good enough stab at how it works. This was an excellent video IMO.
Not sure why this immense text, but sure , they will not give you the code, but they can give you some indications of some of the choices they've made and why the results are what they are in this specific methodology.
I think they probably want this be something more than nothingbox, so if the actual info is not sufficient to make the product look atractive they can give you some tips, still i could be wrong and the product be really a big nothing.
The video production here is of high value, no doubt, but i would surely take this testing for at least about a week, and under different sound pressure conditions to see if it auto regulates itself, how much time it takes to "learn" your enviroment and adapt to it etc...
Certainly more effort could have been put on it, unless the AI story is just BS.
To give relevant background in my experience of why this test was good. Rather than just saying "you're wrong" your point was crafted so I felt it deserved a constructed counter argument. You'd still hit a brick wall with it and they'd tell you nothing. It's probably patented making it even less likely. They also wouldn't want to officially confirm in any capacity the conclusion that the box (at this stage at least) does very little.
I got the h700i for 130$
Annnnnd I have managed to use the same psu as this guy wut is happening
It is so smart, it's overpriced
The NZXT 700i is the stable genius of cases.
Can i control the nzxt aero rgb fans with the smart device? Please reply
Did u find out i really need to know
"Heych" ..... *cringe*
27th
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it's poop
Are you a muslim?
No.
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everyone know ryzen sucks.