He meant the "betrayal" of 03-04 when Brawn did the dirty by doing a deal for 100m Euros behind their backs When they were supposed to be negotiating a bigger piece of the pie collectively. Eddie was around in the background of Midland then Spyker after 2004...until 05-06. here's a piece of a long article from Jan 05.... Harder still when it was announced, a fortnight ago, that they had broken ranks with their fellow constructors in the battle to persuade Bernie Ecclestone to pay all the teams a higher percentage of the vast earnings from formula one's commercial rights. Howls of outrage greeted the announcement that Ferrari had accepted Ecclestone's offer of a bonus of $100m (£53m) in exchange for committing themselves to compete in his championship until 2012, leaving their rivals to negotiate their own terms. At a stroke, Ferrari appeared to have undermined the genuine threat posed to Ecclestone's control over formula one by Grand Prix World Championship (GPWC), the breakaway series which the major constructors, including Ferrari themselves, had promised to launch after the expiry of their collective deal with Ecclestone at the end of the 2007 season.
he was a full time TV pundit at the time. im sure he was around to hear about it, but obviously not as a team principle and they wouldnt care what he thinks in the meetings.
Not to mention the timeline... Jordan was out of F1 in 2005/2006, the double diffuser wouldn’t have been a talking point until 2008 at the earliest when the teams were discussing development for the 2009 regulations.
Could be wrong, but I think it's about when they all figured out Brawn's advantage was double diffuser. Meeting of teams who want it banned, has to be unanimous no? Brawn said no, so all the teams tried to implement one. To be fair to Brawn, without the diffuser, they had nothing.
He's talking about the breakaway, not the DD. From a January 2005 article..... Harder still when it was announced, a fortnight ago, that they had broken ranks with their fellow constructors in the battle to persuade Bernie Ecclestone to pay all the teams a higher percentage of the vast earnings from formula one's commercial rights. Howls of outrage greeted the announcement that Ferrari had accepted Ecclestone's offer of a bonus of $100m (£53m) in exchange for committing themselves to compete in his championship until 2012, leaving their rivals to negotiate their own terms. At a stroke, Ferrari appeared to have undermined the genuine threat posed to Ecclestone's control over formula one by Grand Prix World Championship (GPWC), the breakaway series which the major constructors, including Ferrari themselves, had promised to launch after the expiry of their collective deal with Ecclestone at the end of the 2007 season.
@@MarkSiosal Ah yes I remember this. Thank you for explaining it and posting the article too. I wondered why it was making no sense. Shame I see this short before I see the whole podcast as I had no context.
@@smith2781 No I think he just got it wrong. He was definitely talking about that though because they were all really p!ssed. Although Jordan didn't make the 05 season I think the "betrayal" was in 03 or 04. And of course, Eddie was still kinda maybe involved in Midland who went on to be Spyker I believe...who filled Jordan's shoes.(always making a buck lol)
Both EJ & DC got to sit at the top table, the pinnacle of motorsport. Neither of them were good enough, nor consistent enough to win a championship. They never sat at the head of table, they were close but never great. That means they ‘misremember’ or have slightly skewed views of the greatest, or of the situations that showed up where they lacked the minerals to be the greatest. Eddie wasn’t even a team principal during the double diffuser era, he just wants to chip in and try to be relevant. Anyone heard the story from EJ about how he gave Schumacher his debut? He never mentions it y’know?
Or how he wanted to screw him over with trying to pressure him to sign that unfavorable contract when no help was around. He pretty much waited until the very last moment and basically told him that he either sings it or he cannot drive. He wanted to use MSC's young age, perceived nativity and desperation to drive for his own benefit. Of course he miscalculated and was way too optimistic to mess with Mercedes Benz and his greed made him lose MSC.
And this video alone is an excellent reason why Brawn GP the little team that could decided to have a proper go and shove right up the backsides of everyone else, considering they were all lying, bitter shithouses Oh and Eddie wasn’t mentioned once in the Brawn GP documentary as ‘he wasn’t even thereeee’ 😂🤦🏼♂️
Eddie.......Toyota and Williams also had double diffusers. The brawn car was just better designed overall. The outwash front wing for example that all teams use now is something that was done on the brawn go car to
@@chrisdavidson911 not in my understanding.My understanding is that the very large cheques were paid directly into the bank accounts of Jordan and Prost and the idea was to crumble the united face that the teams were attempting to present for concord agreement renegotiations. Of course I would be interested to hear the details from Eddie or I wouldn’t have asked
So he openly gave his opinion infront of all the teams, and that wasnt playing it fair? Guess who was the better team principle and achieved alot more??? And the fact eddie jordan has decided to try and fat shame ross brawn says everything u need to know. Roas was a winner, eddie was a loser. Schumacher did aome questionable things to win, and max verstappen, Lewis, senna. Its called wanting to be a winner. Eddie is a joke
Wtf Eddie are you lying about?? You were long time not in F1 anymore. Double diffuser were in 2009 season, so dont sh...itt.. Second, yeah David, everyone knows that you have brake tested Michael in SPA 1998... This is like "open secret", and this is true!!
Strange, because in the book Total Competition Brawn tells that in the technical working group beforehand he pointed out a loophole that could be exploited [which he later used to incorporate at double diffuser], and that it should be closed. The teams that disagreed were the teams that later challenged the legality of the double diffuser 🤦🏻♀️...... because they were losing badly. 🙄
What? Eddie Jordan was not in F1 in 2008 or 2009 when the Double Diffuser became "a problem"... Does he want to make a fool of himself now or has he lost his mind? What's more, three teams had the double diffuser. So what he's saying makes no sense three times over. And what Coulthard says about Spa and what Ross said there - Ross is absolutely right, even if he's never driven an F1 car. You don't take your foot off the accelerator on the racing line in the rain. Taking your foot off the accelerator in an F1 car is like emergency braking in a normal car. And in the rain, the car behind you can't see anything. You don't have to have driven an F1 car to be able to say that you don't take your foot off the accelerator on the racing line. Unless you want to cause an accident... So sorry DC, but that's rubbish. And instead of still taking yourself out after more than 25 years, you should finally admit what really happened. You held Schumacher up for ages and then take your foot off the accelerator on the racing line - you don't need to be a genius, you just need to put 1+1 together to know what really happened back then.
EJ is just talking BS. Not only he wasn't a team owner at that point but Toyota and Williams also used a double diffuser in 2009. Also, Ross made it clear on that infamous meeting that the double diffuser is a possibility with the regulations but noone raised any concerns or asked to amend the rules. EJ is typically the individual who has a good PR, because while he was ruthless, other F1 participants were more clever than him, so he can play the victim.DC is just salty, because Ross pointed out his BS regarding the famous accident in Spa in 98. While Ross didn't drive racing cars, he was pretty much "morphed" with MSC and surely saw enough data to have an idea about the technical aspects of driving. Not to mention that DC also talks a lot about things he has way less exposure than Brawn had to racecar driving.
I love Coulthard, but Eddie is full fake stories. He sold Jordan in 2004, the double diffusor was 2009, so how on earth was he a team principal? Brawn weren't the only ones with a double diffusor, Toyota & Williams had it too, although theirs wasn't as efficient. I highly doubt that they voted against it.
Wtf are they both on about????? David Coulthard and Eddie Jordan didn’t win ver6 much between them, whereas Ross Brawn won in every team he was involved in….. bitter sad podcast by two losers imho 🤷
Eddie Jordan never won the constructors championship, and he was not adverse to bending the rules in his time. Similarly, David Coulthard never won the drivers championship.. This all sounds like sour grapes to me chaps.
When Eddie first started doing broadcasting he came up with some interesting/entertaining views and facts, then he seemed to just say stuff for the sake of being controversial, and frankly became boring, though on the plus side it did mean I could put the kettle on and not miss anything important/relevant.
Complaining about fairness in motorsport will always be funny to me, you get the same rule set as everyone else and if you don't have the fastest car that's a you problem. If you didn't make the best car possible you've failed as a constructor.
No respect for either of these two , eddie is one of the biggest bullshitters in f1 , and coulthard likes to tow the line of whoever is filling his pockets this week .
Imagine either of these two bringing shade on a legend like Ross Brawn! Eddie Jordan could only dream of having a % of Brawns engineering knowledge and success in F1. Little weasel of a man
The only thing I could see him have suc hwords for Ross Brawn for was the Michelin tyre being protested by Monza 2003 and the infamous press conference there with Ross and Patrick Head in attendance having a heated debate. Was convenient to protest by the time they lost the edge.
Let's just tell it like it is: Brawn was allowed to cheat. This was done for 2 reasons, to shame Honda for quitting again, and to prepare the team for Mercedes.
Well more like make use of 4 wind tunnels....Williams included, to be let in on the DD debacle. But YES, MB was the master plan, car manufacturers money and brand awareness in the US to break into the market, huge viewing figures. Win win for everyone.
Eddie is talking about the breakaway talked about in 2003-4-5. Article from Jan 2005..... Harder still when it was announced, a fortnight ago, that they had broken ranks with their fellow constructors in the battle to persuade Bernie Ecclestone to pay all the teams a higher percentage of the vast earnings from formula one's commercial rights. Howls of outrage greeted the announcement that Ferrari had accepted Ecclestone's offer of a bonus of $100m (£53m) in exchange for committing themselves to compete in his championship until 2012, leaving their rivals to negotiate their own terms. At a stroke, Ferrari appeared to have undermined the genuine threat posed to Ecclestone's control over formula one by Grand Prix World Championship (GPWC), the breakaway series which the major constructors, including Ferrari themselves, had promised to launch after the expiry of their collective deal with Ecclestone at the end of the 2007 season.
He is a normal one. Jordan speaking bullshit about a double diffuser issue 4 years after he'd left the sport should make you reconsider who the 'villains' are
@@peterd24 I have no patience for EJ. He's just a player. Ross has been manipulating the sport for years. Trimming F1 away from Merc, towards RB for 2 years before reformatting the sport for the benefit of the only team with an aero guy who's seen ground effect, let alone the guy who's won championships with ground effect cars. Between Ross and RB, F1 is ruined. Cost cap, engine freeze, bullshit aero regs that haven't done what he said he wanted. AND a 3rd rate driver in the second RB. Little wonder people have changed the channel.
Any one of these drivers, managers and engineers that win multiple championships don't get there without being totally ruthless in regards to the sport
Yeah, Eddie Jordan has never gone against his word or done anything underhand.
I would trust Putin's word before Mr Jordan.
@@kevinharker1840 HAHA.
To be fair, this was about hundreds of millions of dollars. i.e. he's talking about the breakaway, not the DD.
eddie would sell his kids if he thought he could make money on it
Exactly
But Jordan wasn't in f1 when double diffuser was in 2009.
O also dont get it!
Exactly what I was going to say
Some people call him crazy on the internet.
He meant the "betrayal" of 03-04 when Brawn did the dirty by doing a deal for 100m Euros behind their backs When they were supposed to be negotiating a bigger piece of the pie collectively. Eddie was around in the background of Midland then Spyker after 2004...until 05-06. here's a piece of a long article from Jan 05....
Harder still when it was announced, a fortnight ago, that they had broken ranks with their fellow constructors in the battle to persuade Bernie Ecclestone to pay all the teams a higher percentage of the vast earnings from formula one's commercial rights. Howls of outrage greeted the announcement that Ferrari had accepted Ecclestone's offer of a bonus of $100m (£53m) in exchange for committing themselves to compete in his championship until 2012, leaving their rivals to negotiate their own terms.
At a stroke, Ferrari appeared to have undermined the genuine threat posed to Ecclestone's control over formula one by Grand Prix World Championship (GPWC), the breakaway series which the major constructors, including Ferrari themselves, had promised to launch after the expiry of their collective deal with Ecclestone at the end of the 2007 season.
he was a full time TV pundit at the time. im sure he was around to hear about it, but obviously not as a team principle and they wouldnt care what he thinks in the meetings.
3 teams had the double diffuser so that doesn't make sense if they ALL agreed.
I think he's mixing it up with the meeting about the breakaway.
Eddie Jordan and Bernie Ecclestone can't open their mouths without being dramatic.
Not to mention the timeline... Jordan was out of F1 in 2005/2006, the double diffuser wouldn’t have been a talking point until 2008 at the earliest when the teams were discussing development for the 2009 regulations.
I swear this podcast is full of fake stories
Could be wrong, but I think it's about when they all figured out Brawn's advantage was double diffuser. Meeting of teams who want it banned, has to be unanimous no? Brawn said no, so all the teams tried to implement one. To be fair to Brawn, without the diffuser, they had nothing.
Think EJ needs to clear up how he was a team owner in 2009??
Exactly
EJ sold his team in 04 or 05 the double diffuser debacle was in 09. So how was EJ involved in it?
Cos the world revolves around EJ.
He's talking about the breakaway, not the DD.
From a January 2005 article.....
Harder still when it was announced, a fortnight ago, that they had broken ranks with their fellow constructors in the battle to persuade Bernie Ecclestone to pay all the teams a higher percentage of the vast earnings from formula one's commercial rights. Howls of outrage greeted the announcement that Ferrari had accepted Ecclestone's offer of a bonus of $100m (£53m) in exchange for committing themselves to compete in his championship until 2012, leaving their rivals to negotiate their own terms.
At a stroke, Ferrari appeared to have undermined the genuine threat posed to Ecclestone's control over formula one by Grand Prix World Championship (GPWC), the breakaway series which the major constructors, including Ferrari themselves, had promised to launch after the expiry of their collective deal with Ecclestone at the end of the 2007 season.
@@MarkSiosal Ah yes I remember this. Thank you for explaining it and posting the article too. I wondered why it was making no sense. Shame I see this short before I see the whole podcast as I had no context.
@@smith2781 No I think he just got it wrong. He was definitely talking about that though because they were all really p!ssed. Although Jordan didn't make the 05 season I think the "betrayal" was in 03 or 04. And of course, Eddie was still kinda maybe involved in Midland who went on to be Spyker I believe...who filled Jordan's shoes.(always making a buck lol)
@@MarkSiosal What's the context of the mention of the double diffuser? He clearly mentions it at the start of this short.
Whats he yammering on about. Double diffusors weren't a thing until years after jordan had gone from F1
Alzheimers.
Eddie being a legend in his own mind
He is a legend
Both EJ & DC got to sit at the top table, the pinnacle of motorsport. Neither of them were good enough, nor consistent enough to win a championship. They never sat at the head of table, they were close but never great. That means they ‘misremember’ or have slightly skewed views of the greatest, or of the situations that showed up where they lacked the minerals to be the greatest. Eddie wasn’t even a team principal during the double diffuser era, he just wants to chip in and try to be relevant.
Anyone heard the story from EJ about how he gave Schumacher his debut? He never mentions it y’know?
Or how he wanted to screw him over with trying to pressure him to sign that unfavorable contract when no help was around. He pretty much waited until the very last moment and basically told him that he either sings it or he cannot drive. He wanted to use MSC's young age, perceived nativity and desperation to drive for his own benefit. Of course he miscalculated and was way too optimistic to mess with Mercedes Benz and his greed made him lose MSC.
And this video alone is an excellent reason why Brawn GP the little team that could decided to have a proper go and shove right up the backsides of everyone else, considering they were all lying, bitter shithouses
Oh and Eddie wasn’t mentioned once in the Brawn GP documentary as ‘he wasn’t even thereeee’ 😂🤦🏼♂️
Coulthard was faulty in belgium… You don’t just slow down like this in the rain and stay in the racing line.
How does that relate to the video?
unless you're Alonso and you are in front of Russel?
Eddie.......Toyota and Williams also had double diffusers. The brawn car was just better designed overall. The outwash front wing for example that all teams use now is something that was done on the brawn go car to
That is why Ross Brawn is somebody today and not yesterday's hero like EJ
Let's be 100% clear about this. Eddie is lying...
What are you on about EJ? Do you make stuff up as you go along? Jordan were long gone in 2009.
Eddie Jordan doesn't like anyone disagreeing with him
i think he's plalying a role or (ab)using sarcasm!
Come on EJ, lets hear all about the payments from Bernie that you and Prost got
They're cheaper than the fines Bernie would have got for not having enough cars on the grid, there was an agreed minimum amount with the fIA
@@chrisdavidson911 not in my understanding.My understanding is that the very large cheques were paid directly into the bank accounts of Jordan and Prost and the idea was to crumble the united face that the teams were attempting to present for concord agreement renegotiations. Of course I would be interested to hear the details from Eddie or I wouldn’t have asked
So he openly gave his opinion infront of all the teams, and that wasnt playing it fair? Guess who was the better team principle and achieved alot more??? And the fact eddie jordan has decided to try and fat shame ross brawn says everything u need to know. Roas was a winner, eddie was a loser. Schumacher did aome questionable things to win, and max verstappen, Lewis, senna. Its called wanting to be a winner. Eddie is a joke
Yeah no shit why would you give up your biggest strength?
Wtf Eddie are you lying about?? You were long time not in F1 anymore. Double diffuser were in 2009 season, so dont sh...itt..
Second, yeah David, everyone knows that you have brake tested Michael in SPA 1998... This is like "open secret", and this is true!!
He did not lol. Stop talking out your arsehole😂
No brake test at all but he did brake to let him pass at the worsth place. That’s not a brake test.
EJ’s only value to f1 discourse is access to he has access to the old heads. But god his takes are so unhinged
In Germany, we say:
You get pity for free, but you have to earn envy.
On that note, poor David, poor Eddie
Strange, because in the book Total Competition Brawn tells that in the technical working group beforehand he pointed out a loophole that could be exploited [which he later used to incorporate at double diffuser], and that it should be closed. The teams that disagreed were the teams that later challenged the legality of the double diffuser 🤦🏻♀️...... because they were losing badly. 🙄
The guy is one of the fairest personalities in F1's history, yet these two has beens still found a way to throw dirt at him.
@@rkk578 Yes. Even when he was helping Schumacher I had huge respect for him (I wasn't a Schumi fan particularly).
It was the established teams getting well and truly embarrassed and they wanted to stop it.
What? Eddie Jordan was not in F1 in 2008 or 2009 when the Double Diffuser became "a problem"... Does he want to make a fool of himself now or has he lost his mind? What's more, three teams had the double diffuser. So what he's saying makes no sense three times over.
And what Coulthard says about Spa and what Ross said there - Ross is absolutely right, even if he's never driven an F1 car. You don't take your foot off the accelerator on the racing line in the rain. Taking your foot off the accelerator in an F1 car is like emergency braking in a normal car. And in the rain, the car behind you can't see anything. You don't have to have driven an F1 car to be able to say that you don't take your foot off the accelerator on the racing line. Unless you want to cause an accident... So sorry DC, but that's rubbish. And instead of still taking yourself out after more than 25 years, you should finally admit what really happened. You held Schumacher up for ages and then take your foot off the accelerator on the racing line - you don't need to be a genius, you just need to put 1+1 together to know what really happened back then.
EJ is just talking BS. Not only he wasn't a team owner at that point but Toyota and Williams also used a double diffuser in 2009. Also, Ross made it clear on that infamous meeting that the double diffuser is a possibility with the regulations but noone raised any concerns or asked to amend the rules. EJ is typically the individual who has a good PR, because while he was ruthless, other F1 participants were more clever than him, so he can play the victim.DC is just salty, because Ross pointed out his BS regarding the famous accident in Spa in 98. While Ross didn't drive racing cars, he was pretty much "morphed" with MSC and surely saw enough data to have an idea about the technical aspects of driving. Not to mention that DC also talks a lot about things he has way less exposure than Brawn had to racecar driving.
I love Coulthard, but Eddie is full fake stories.
He sold Jordan in 2004, the double diffusor was 2009, so how on earth was he a team principal?
Brawn weren't the only ones with a double diffusor, Toyota & Williams had it too, although theirs wasn't as efficient. I highly doubt that they voted against it.
Wtf are they both on about????? David Coulthard and Eddie Jordan didn’t win ver6 much between them, whereas Ross Brawn won in every team he was involved in….. bitter sad podcast by two losers imho 🤷
Eddie Jordan never won the constructors championship, and he was not adverse to bending the rules in his time. Similarly, David Coulthard never won the drivers championship.. This all sounds like sour grapes to me chaps.
When Eddie first started doing broadcasting he came up with some interesting/entertaining views and facts, then he seemed to just say stuff for the sake of being controversial, and frankly became boring, though on the plus side it did mean I could put the kettle on and not miss anything important/relevant.
A lot of technical staff are frustrated drivers. Allways the bride's maid never the bride.
Complaining about fairness in motorsport will always be funny to me, you get the same rule set as everyone else and if you don't have the fastest car that's a you problem. If you didn't make the best car possible you've failed as a constructor.
EJ talking shite as usual. Acting as if Braun were the only team to use the DD let alone him not even being a team owner by the point of 09
Brawn is a prophet of f1
Eddie jordan spinning another one of his tales again. I wish David was doing these podcasts with someone other than eddie
No respect for either of these two , eddie is one of the biggest bullshitters in f1 , and coulthard likes to tow the line of whoever is filling his pockets this week .
Eddie still a tit and dc had some championship winning cars and did nothing
Newey has driven in f1 cars tho and historic f1
Schumacher, Brawn Would they act underhanded?
Coming from Eddie the complete hypocrite
Do Eddie and DC not like Ross?😂
What the fuck is Eddie on about?
Jordan brown nosing again what a has been
Lot of jealousy on that podcast
Crazier than a box of frogs
Imagine either of these two bringing shade on a legend like Ross Brawn! Eddie Jordan could only dream of having a % of Brawns engineering knowledge and success in F1. Little weasel of a man
The only thing I could see him have suc hwords for Ross Brawn for was the Michelin tyre being protested by Monza 2003 and the infamous press conference there with Ross and Patrick Head in attendance having a heated debate. Was convenient to protest by the time they lost the edge.
Spa ‘97 rings loud in my ears when I hear DC talking about sportsmanship.
98*
@@jacksadler1866 what happened?
@@Ellis01234567890 th-cam.com/video/R22nxVYLaBQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=nixs9N7oaOBoHDvC
Eddie Jordan remembers things he never experienced. This isn’t the first story he’s “remembered”.
Using a revised rear crash structure as a diffuser extension was discussed some time in the late 90s when crash test requirements were being improved
Oooft, salty
Didnt jordan run in indy after agreeing not to? I love Eddie tbf though.
Bitter
Oooooooooh you guys are getting a bit crazy
Liar
The people in charge have ruined F1 i would have gone against you as well
I reckon Ross wouldn't slam an f1 car into the pit wall in Australia
Wasnt Eddie Jordan out of F1 by 2009?
Why should they need to agree to anything. There's a reason rules are in place.
Mr Ross the Big Boss🎉
Ross Brawn was a cheating poacher-type who amazingly became the Formula One gamekeeper...🙄
Jordan drops Legendary statements tine after time.
Let's just tell it like it is:
Brawn was allowed to cheat. This was done for 2 reasons, to shame Honda for quitting again, and to prepare the team for Mercedes.
Well more like make use of 4 wind tunnels....Williams included, to be let in on the DD debacle. But YES, MB was the master plan, car manufacturers money and brand awareness in the US to break into the market, huge viewing figures. Win win for everyone.
Eddie is talking about the breakaway talked about in 2003-4-5. Article from Jan 2005.....
Harder still when it was announced, a fortnight ago, that they had broken ranks with their fellow constructors in the battle to persuade Bernie Ecclestone to pay all the teams a higher percentage of the vast earnings from formula one's commercial rights. Howls of outrage greeted the announcement that Ferrari had accepted Ecclestone's offer of a bonus of $100m (£53m) in exchange for committing themselves to compete in his championship until 2012, leaving their rivals to negotiate their own terms.
At a stroke, Ferrari appeared to have undermined the genuine threat posed to Ecclestone's control over formula one by Grand Prix World Championship (GPWC), the breakaway series which the major constructors, including Ferrari themselves, had promised to launch after the expiry of their collective deal with Ecclestone at the end of the 2007 season.
I always thought Ross was a normal one but in retrospect he seems to be one of the villains.
He is a normal one. Jordan speaking bullshit about a double diffuser issue 4 years after he'd left the sport should make you reconsider who the 'villains' are
@@peterd24 I have no patience for EJ. He's just a player. Ross has been manipulating the sport for years. Trimming F1 away from Merc, towards RB for 2 years before reformatting the sport for the benefit of the only team with an aero guy who's seen ground effect, let alone the guy who's won championships with ground effect cars. Between Ross and RB, F1 is ruined. Cost cap, engine freeze, bullshit aero regs that haven't done what he said he wanted. AND a 3rd rate driver in the second RB. Little wonder people have changed the channel.
Any one of these drivers, managers and engineers that win multiple championships don't get there without being totally ruthless in regards to the sport
Is right EJ. Tell it how it was and hopefully what's coming 👍👍✌
but it wasn't like that.