Simon Jordan & Martin Keown CLASH Over the PFA & Footballers Demanding for Better Treatment! 🔥
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- TalkSPORT's Simon Jordan and Martin Keown lock horns over a PFA survey and footballers wanting better treatment.
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This is how you breed many future Sancho’s…
Sancho is far better than any player at Utd right now. United don’t know how to treat ballers, Ronaldo’s the most recent proof of that
@@EsseNewBeatz so someone that shows up late to training and can’t be arsed putting in the effort should be treated like a king? Don’t be an idiot.. Ronaldo couldn’t put up with being on the bench sometimes and acted like a spoilt brat instead of a team player. Maybe you don’t understand it’s a team sport
@@RibStats you don’t understand hierarchy, when you’re at the top there’s leeway. You think messi, Kobe, Michael Jordan, lebron, Tom Brady where the hardest working in training? No they were special
@@EsseNewBeatzjesus those guys you just mentioned is literally a list of people who practiced every waking hour to get to their skill level 😂. Sancho is not even close to them. this is the kind of pathetic thinking thats lead to PSG failing year after year in the Champions League. Players that are higher up on the skill hierarchy should be given time to prove their ability on the pitch but NOONE gets to behave like they are better than the others in training if you want a successful team. Man city are a perfect example of a team that never let their big name players become bigger than the team
@@EsseNewBeatzeveryone of those players worked harder then anyone on their team. With the Ronaldo situatuon people seem to forgot he wanted to leave in the summer but not one club came in for him and he was given plenty of oppurtunities under Ten but didnt perform.
Lifes hard. Work takes its toll on your physical and mental health. Difference is most people aren't on hundreds of thousands of pounds per week.
And they don't fly private every where they go have massuses chefs and other members of staff cater to their every need around the clock
So, how many welders, HGV lorry drivers, brick layers or office workers do you know who's reputation and success is watched and judged directly by umpteen thousands / millions of people every week? If that were the case then maybe they'd be on "hundreds o thousands of pounds per week" too.
Supporters expect 100% effort and success every game from players who need to be 100% ready both physically and mentally. When that's the criteria all the money in the world can't magically guarantee that.
The difference is that you don’t have millions of people viewing and paying to watch these welders live do you?
Every fan wants the best team out every game but then criticises players when they’re getting worried about the extra injuries they have.
Then when a manager doesn’t play his best 11 do he rests other players, fans and media dig him out
@@Hhammer Er, the bit about welders is what I said! You've just rephrased my comment. So yes, agreed.
@@gillie-monger3394oh I was replying to the OP, not your comment
95% of fans surveyed said footballers are a bunch of soft puffters !
Simon "Go sign for Burnley"
Keown "But you're a top player and want to play for the best"
Simon "SHUT UP THEN"
Simon you absolute legend 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’ve had a thought…pay them per game played. If they prioritise their health, play less games. If they were paid per game played I honestly think they would opt to play even more
How would that work with injuries?
@@russellbonell it’s tongue in cheek mate
Yeah football or money not contracts work like that 😂
Paid on average minutes?
@@russellbonell trust me, a lot of them would take care of themselves more if they know injuries would significantly reduce how much they get paid in the course of the season.
right now players like hazard and pogba can go about engaging in bad lifestyle know they still get paid full pay even if they get injured
I might ask for over 8 weeks off for my summer next year. Worried ill get an injury in the office.
😂😂
Lifting paperclips to a sheet of paper is hardly physical work fella😂
Theres a reason I get danger money and you don't.
@@RedBrigadessitting at a desk and having that sedentary lifestyle is much more detrimental to your health than playing football with elite facilities and sports scientists and physios at your beck and call, so what's your point here. If anything the average Joe is more deserving of a sustained break.
Simon Jordon hit the nail on the head. Brilliant
Saka wasn’t injured because of the fixture list, he was injured because his manager refused to rest him.
What's he supposed to do, not play his best player? 😂
@@Liam-fz7oh Not at all what I said is it, tool.
@@LoneWolfOfHouseStark1989 oh I see, rather than having an intelligent discussion about the team we both clearly support, you're one of those immature people who resorts to name calling when someone disagrees with them. Awesome. Good luck to you man
Lewis Hamilton spoke brilliantly about a similar issue in F1 - elite athletes are meant to push their bodies to breaking point and beyond which he loves. Big players play for big clubs and in more games - go play for a lower league team for less money if you don’t want the pressure
Simon playing Keown like a violin as usual
Ask the scaffolding lads what they think about ‘players safety’
Simon is completely right, £160 quid a year for PFA membership! Your average salary earner in the UK (getting less in a year than your average Premier league player in a year) pays more to be in unions like Unison. Players have it so bad though... 🙄
He's not completely right, repeatedly calling it "injury time" when it's added time for time wasted, nothing to do with bloody injuries!
1. Why would you compare a highly skilled profession in which players are the top 0.1% of their trade to the average salary, which would include millions of low skilled jobs.
2. League 1/2 players are included in the PFA. Stop pretending these players are on KDB wages. It's embarrassing and disingenuous.
@@LordHighness Everyone knows what injury time is lad. Stop being a pedantic weirdo.
@rosscleary9110 Because I'm entitled to make a point about footballers paying £160 quid a year to be in a union despite earning way more than your average Joe, yet your average Joe pays a sum total more than that to be in a union. That has nothing to do with skills, it's purely another example of greed. Your league 2 players SHOULD be paying tiny sums, as we mentioned, it's based on salary % for anyone else. A lot of people don't like that. You're entitled to disagree but the majority of people will have a sour taste in their mouth after being told that sort of information.
The establishment is completely out of touch with players & the public (FA & PFA)
Nah, the players are paid well and overpampered
Oh please, players used to play more games, with worse pitches, And more physical tackles, without fuss
Not the establishment the greed of clubs going all over the world 🌎 in pre season friendlys MONEY simple
Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
He's a bad ming ye tit.
Do you have autizm?
He must have been a awful owner. Very bitter man. Not a bit of empathy in his body
I hope Martin is getting well paid to put up with Lord Jordan and his pompous attitude and his little side kick Jim White
@@cluelessreacts3984 he hates that players are allowed to make loads of money, he thinks it should be owners making the money lol
Simon Jordan looks like the real life Postman Pat
@general-foodie9211 You missed the R out of P*AT
Keown thinks he's much smarter than he actually is. Simon as usual runs intellectual rings around him. A battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Unarmed? To be fair, Martin is a massive weapon in his own right.
To quote Red Dwarf, Martin would lose a battle of wits with a stuffed iguana.
OK fan boi!
I don't think that's true
Has anyone asked the fans about these ridiculous international fixtures ?
Martin comparibg men talking for mental health to this survey is the usual shitshow i expect from Keown
Is he wrong? a footballer's career is 10-15 years if you're lucky. Its difficult enough to stay fit during those years, they're absolutely right to voice they're opinions
@@nhlanhlakhumalo7851Only the top players seem to be crying about it. If they don't want to play so many games, play for smaller clubs and retire from international football. You always have a choice, nobody is forcing the players to do anything, it's consensual business.
@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 yes but think about how many people and companies benefit from those top players. Their pay justifies the amount of money other entities generate from them and you're telling me they shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinions? How would these journalist's make their money if it wasn't for these high profile players? These guys sit behind a microphone and make money for a living spewing their useless opinions and their voices are more important than the players' themselves? That doesn't make sense to me
@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 The survey suggest otherwise. Stop waffing.
So the abuse and swearing towards the referee is absolutely fine but can the overpaid ball kickers play less minutes please because they feel tired. 🤣
It’s not about being tired it’s about having human bodies and human muscles
😂...
@@DG-tm2tnWhat's the point of having 25-player squads then? What is the point of the youth teams? Managers have never had more options and allowances to rotate and substitute players during games. And players have never in history been earning more money.
Well it's not fine evidently because it's punishable by a yellow card. Any other irrelevant arguments?
@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 not every team can do that tho, and it’s so hard to challenge for the league with youth players etc. I get what you and everyone is saying but they are still human with human bodies the amount of money they’re on doesn’t change that
Simon right again
It’s kinda sad how out of touch the players have become especially since most of them come from poverty in the first place.
it's bound to happend when fans treat them like Demigods.
Most fans unfortunately don't act in their own best interests.
Wish I could get paid so much that I don't need to worry about it anymore and yet still feel the need to cry about how much I need to do 🙄
"Shut up and do as you're told" absolutely spot on Simon
Spoken like someone who's never been expected to do more than walk to the fridge for another beer.
@@gillie-monger3394footballers are an employee like anyone else, unless live in fantasy land
I think keown is missing the point that the survey has been set up where they're asking leading questions which influences the survey outcomes 🙄
Whys keown going on about men speaking out? Its irrelevant to the subject
The fun you could have had winding Martin up in the changing rooms before games. Hiding one boot. He’s so tightly wound.
thats the reason why the squads are so large, to cover player burnout.
If x player whinging about being overplayed gets dropped, they'll whinge as well.
To be fair to Keown he does hold his own better than most against Jordan. I think the two of them make a great combination when it comes to a debate
Would love to know what Martin Keown is writing every minute of every time he`s on?
2 + 2 = 5
Trying to demonstrate how thoughtful and serious he is.
His football coupon.
Excellent broadcasting yet again.
Great show.
Solutions aside, the players are right about breaks between seasons. My b-i-l plays professional football and his break goes by in a blink of an eye. He barely has time to rest and rarely goes abroad.
Needed a good laugh, cheers Talksport
Probably the most over paid, protected and pampered workers in the country and they're never happy. Spot on Simon.
Simon "depends who your talking to." Jim laughs like a school boy, Simon smirks and Martin carries on regardless.😅 Love it.
I like how Martin does not give Simon his undivided attention when Simon's giving one if his sanctimonious lectures.
Love to see Keown in a real working environment. Wonder if he thinks footballers are better looked after than brick layers… maybe he would start to realise how privileged footballers are
It's a simple solution, the club's have to stop the tours overseas, this would give the players a chance to recover.
The players then have to accept that income will drop, so wages available will drop.
And the unions should be funded through a percent of the members wages. The funding should be put in place to help players who don't make it as a professional, they have pathways into other professions.
So they'd play all their pre-season games in the UK.They're still playing so how would that give the players chance to recover ?
Great show this I love it!
Hats off to Martin. He gets hammered all the time bybthese pair and keeps coming back.
I do think the game is more demanding than it used to be in fairness to the modern footballer. Gengenpress wasn't really a thing 20 years ago and the workrate of the modern midfielder/forward is huge.
I don't really see an issue. if you want to fight on multiple fronts, you need to have a deep squad.
More demanding? How? Players back then had less money, less medical staff, less nutrition, less pampering, worse pitches, more physicality, need I go on? Stop it
midfielders probably but forwards? most of them just slack when it comes to backtracking after they lose possession. If Van Djik can't follow the pace anymore, he should forfeit his current contract and go take a vacation in the MLS. I have heard Miami is lovely at this time of the year, just don't expect your wages to be more than 20000 pounds a week Virgil.
As someone who has studied Mathematics and Statistics, I will defend the survey with no solution boxes being provided. Attitude surveys can't have open-ended questions, you can't perform analysis when every answer is completely different. The idea of attitude surveys is to identify trends of the opinions within the group, so possible areas to focus on improving can be identified. The issue lies with the report, once the survey data was collected and analyzed, the people behind the report should research possible suggestions for improvement then pass those solutions onto organisations with the ability to implement any usable suggestions. The people in the PFA who just offer percentages based on data and do nothing else with it, not even an acceptable statistical test, are the ones wasting the effort.
It must be awful being a professional footballer, it's such a hard stressful job and so dangerous... I'd much prefer to work in a factory 🤦😆
think about how short a football career is and how many people benefit from them putting their bodies on the line week in week out. Everyone else benefits from the sport especially these journalists that think their opinions matter more than the people who actually play the actual sport. They absolutely have a right to say something
@@nhlanhlakhumalo7851 what complete nonsense... these guys choose to play football and live the dream of millions of others. Yes a footballers career is short but, millions of people decide to retrain and change careers mid life....a tradesman, factory worker or a soldier 🤦🤷♂️ put their physical health at risk every day, and millions benefit from them. So don't you dare go on about how physical a footballers life is, they are playing a game... not work
@@spendover are you serious?? I'd like to see millions for people tuning in to watch 11 tradesmen/factory workers do their job every week, everyone should be a millionaire from their jobs according to your logic
@@nhlanhlakhumalo7851 you don't get my point silly boy, go play with your toys.
I never mentioned money and you've not read my message properly
@@nhlanhlakhumalo7851😅
Great conversation, hear hear Simon.
Shocker the clueless Martin remains on a different planet
Shut up and do as your told! Another gem from Simon 😂
ANYONE in ANY walk of life: if they are wealthy, it means they work bloody hard. Working 5 hours (3x100 minute matches) per week, for £100,000+ seems pretty scandalous to me
They train and do other things aswell you know😂 and if there’s a game at 15:00 it doesn’t mean they show up at 15:00 they are normally with the squad at 10:00-11:00. They work way more than 5 hours a week.😂
That's just not true..are you telling me all these CEOs, politicians, actors etc work harder than the average factory worker?
Footballers take huge risks and bet in themselves to get to where they are. They also make a lot for their employer. Stop being so bitter.
I don’t think Hard Work = More money, it’s pressure. High Pressure jobs tend to pay more. Footballers and professional athletes are damn near the pinnacle of that
You are paid for your skill. The higher the skill the more the pay it’s pretty simple.
not true.....can invest...passive income...and chill.
Brain surgeons or lawyers are often required to work up to 70 hours in a week. That takes a huge toll on your health and even more importantly your family/social life. The thing is though they get paid enourmous amounts to compensate for those sacrifices much like footballers although footballers have it infinitely easier comparatively. I think most top footballers grow up in academy’s and go straight into it professionally so they have no idea what work is like for normal people.
Feel tired ...try doing contential shifts on minium wage week in week out with 21 holidays all year...
Should have studied at school more
@@alastairbrewster4274😂😂
It’s not like it’s unpaid overtime….we pay for one and a half football and barely get an hours action.
Simon really scorned from PFA involvement in contract negations back when he owned palace 😂
Players are payed enough they should stop crying
Always good listen to Simon Jordan. No BS from him, always very sensible, very logical
God the game is entitled firstly i love football!!... there are thousands of people that work crappy jobs in this country that are tired, fatigued stressed, get verbally and physically abused, yet they allowed to carry on......yet when it happens to modern day footballer the world must stop and pay attention......the modern footballer is a complete wimp, n actually they d do well to remember people can live without football...........
man city how many times does pep use 5 subs or rotate squad etc etc etc
Martin Keown trying to keep the conversation lo-res. Simon Jordan forcing him to zoom in.
£160 a year thats pathetic for someone thats makes 70-100 thousands a week.
Simon and his pal railroading Martin a bit here, talking over him, forcing their viewpoint onto him. Simon needs to learn to shut up or else it becomes his monologue show
Maybe they should look for another job
I’m so sick of hearing about too many games being played. The money in football is absurd and a lot of that comes from the demand from paying customers. If players are playing too many minutes to the point of it being a health risk, that’s poor management
Exactly mate - if they want less games, fine, take a pay cut lol
Don’t time waste then not so much added time simple! The added time is a good thing and in time will get less once players stop time wasting imo
Why is Simon calling the added time "injury time"? It's not injury time, it's time added on for time wasted, nothing to do with injuries.
Every player wants and should be able to play every game? If that's the case Martin, why do you need a squad of 25 players? The reality if you have a squad of that size, is that you rotate to enable each team to play the number of games that the current schedule requires. And it's about the money, the schedule dictates the amount of money that is available and that means the players get paid the ridiculous amounts they do - you cannot have it both ways mate
CLASH!!
They’re always CLASHING!!! aren’t they
If they play less for the same money then its essentially a price increase on the fans again. They're already robbing us blind.
Most people commenting on here don't understand the physical and mental requirements of top athletes to perform at their best 2 or 3 times a week, week in week out. "But they get paid loads of money so they should", is puerile and uneducated thinking.
Supporters expect 100% effort and success every game from players who need to be 100% ready both physically and mentally. When that's the criteria all the money in the world can't magically guarantee that.
So how did players in the 60s, 70s, 80s manage? On terrible pitches with awful tackles? Use your brain
@@AlexLee360 If you actually knew what a brain was you'd understand that the players from that era, with a few exceptions, were bang average journeymen. You said as much when mentioning the bad tackles! Compared to the players of today they were cart horses by and large. Yet here's the thing, compared to the average worker of the same era they were in fact paid extremely well.
To answer your question then, they managed very well. The price paid was poor quality games week after week. Unless you're part of the crowd that reckoned middle aged guys kicking lumps out of each other on a Saturday was elite sportsmanship?
Now grow up and put your jealousy away.
@@gillie-monger3394 poor quality? Ever watched a game pre premier league? Your ignorance is showing
@@AlexLee360 Yes, I've been a supporter since well before the PL. I've seen the massive improvements in both facilities and player quality. I've been a season ticket holder and watched hundreds of matches over the years both live and on tv. I have two close relations who play professionally. So I can state from experience that today's game is 100% better than the olden days you seem to yearn for.
With that improvement has come massive pressure to perform consistently and successfully.
Not only could the dinosaurs of yesteryear not match the players of today on the pitch, (with as I've already said, "a few exceptions), there's no way they could handle the physical and mental pressures of the current top flight players.
But you stick with your fantasy's of "when men were men" and envy of those so much more successful than you'll ever be.
Players from the 90’s would wipe the floor with the pansies of todays game.
We all know Simón is not the brightest candle on the cake.. but his buddy..
oh my god 😮
He's brighter than most people
Honestly it’s really difficult to feel sympathy for these players other than when they face discrimination or get horrific injuries(usually as a result of contact on the pitch not fatigue) but about the fatigue and playing too many games, please do everyone a favour.
Another PFA box ticking exercise
Squads will be 35 man soon . They are not going to play less games . Too much money involved
5:51
Simon slaughtering mode
Watch the video. Mudryk literally had his arms up too. Is that unnatural?
Martin gets ripped apart again! 😂
Shock horror, the ex business owner sides with the business.
Martin is great. Love him
keown the thinking mans footballer😂😂😂😂😂
CLASH
Simon in brilliant!
Pointless arguing
More can be done to identify fans who invade the pitch or who make racists chants ... Using CCTV cameras and stadium bans
do you work for the chinese government?
@@rumbled5461do you think racism is ok ?
Go Simon! :P
Im with simon with this
Martin Keown could have a row in a telephone box on his own
Why hasnt virgil retired from international football if he feels he is struggling!
Millionaires kicking a bag of air about
How is it the players jobs to give ideas or work out how to deal with stadium security or safety? Dont understand the response of "well what's you solution then". Not their job
If you don't offer up solutions, then all you're doing is crying and moaning like a baby
or just asking people to do their job properly@@deaddogtony1677
tow the line Martin your'e supposed to aggree
Man like Martin
Out of touch . Pampered . Cap wages
Sticks and stones ffs man up
Must be hard to deal with Keown when he doesn’t understand the points being made by SJ
They want more holidays
Can we bring on a sub for Keown?
They were being asked for there views...they weren't being asked for solutions...it's a survey...
They could have easily surveyed the players opinions on the potential solutions to obvious problems.
The fact they didn't is instructive.
He thought he was better than what he was good ridence let's move on and forget about it
Sourness running around committing hari kari love SJ
Simon on an agenda here. How can you ask someone for a solution to a problem when you dont know what the problem is.
Step one survey the players identify the problems.
Step two come up with solutions to those problems
SJ talking absolute sense as usual
Why are people so weak now days
Players are soft… most of the fans would play for their team for free