Simon Jordan Tears Into Guardiola and His 'Cheating' Stars for Complaining About Ref Arrogance! 😡👀
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- Pep Guardiola has spoken out about Liverpool's controversial disallowed goal vs Tottenham Hotspur. talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Danny Murphy have their say!
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I don’t know if any one notices this but however I will make mention of it
1)last season arsenal were docked 5 points by controversial VAR decisions city ended up winning the league by 5 points
2)the season before that Rodri had a clear handball denied against Everton if that game is drawn Liverpool win the league instead of losing by a point everton had an apology after that game I say all of that to say this man city was never issued with an apology because they don’t suffer the brunt of those controversial decisions and I guarantee that that’s not a coincidence
City lost that weekend too. We (Liverpool) would of went top as well. 🤔
Arsenal bottled an 11 point lead, cope.
Jordan's reaction (and Jim White's) is utter drivel because Guardiola isn't accusing anyone of arrogance. He's merely pointing out that ever week the main focus is on the referees when it should be on the players.
Im 59 there has always been focus on referees. Its nothing new m8
Jordan? Works for the same people who have employed collymore and George Galloway. I rest my case.
You're right the focus should be on the players that spend a good portion of the game:
-Diving
-Faking injury
-Throwing themselves to the ground after the slightest touch
-Claiming every throw in and corner despite knowing 100% that it's not theirs
-Timewasting
-Screaming at the ref, the assistants and the 4th official every time they get called for a foul, like children.
-Generally being pathetic little cheats.
Put those players in front of the camera and ask them about those things. No you would rather have the refs on every week for the mistakes they make because the refs are supposed to be 100% correct each time despite the fact that 50% of the 112 or so calla they make in a game are subjective and will split peoples opinions.
you will never hear simon tearing into saudi in case he is offered something really tasty, and runs off like a snowflake
In every situation Simon essentially defends the prevailing institutions and the powers that be. If there is a group or individual in a position of power or authority, Simon's prejudice is to defend them and attack any critics who come from lesser positions of authority as having no basis for their arguments, and being incapable of having the capacity to judge those above them.
Of course he's rich. Listen to him constantly complain about how the poor billionaires aren't making anough money. When they spend stupid money on transfers he claims they're forced to do it like they have no autonomy. But when they talk about how fans have been priced out of games and shirts his reposnce is always "well they don't have to buy them".
Of course, Simon Jordan is a textbook Tory.
Is that similar to how in any situation you will attack and disagree with Simon on any given subject?
He will jump to Saudi league in a heart beat. Follow the money.
Very well said. Simon is wrong here. The reason why VAR was introduced was to make correct decisions.
How convenient to forget that, in the Robertson situation, he was elbowed. By a linesman.
No no no that's not what happened.
He ran into an official who protected him self
as Roy said on sky. A big baby.
Robertson that is
And people brush that off but if it was the other way around that play, no doubt would be band for 10 games and fined half a million
Ar mate come off it, half of you need to step into the real world you mean the little touch which was more of an instant reaction!😂😂
I still find it appalling that no action was taken for this.
@@johnkeohane4239 'protected himself' 😂 have a lie down
well said pep
Simon shutting down Pep
Like Hospital Management shut down Medical Staff who complained about Letsby?🤔
Comparing peps situation to a baby killer , get a grip
The problem isn’t VAR, the problem is the protocols around it that determine how it is used. Rugby, cricket, NFL and others have sorted this out after going through pain themselves. The fact that there was confusion regarding the actual decision the lads in the box were adjudicating tells me the protocols are flawed. And that felt they could not interrupt the game once it was restarted. I don’t think this was incompetence, but that the process is ambiguous and deficient.
Simon jordan defending refs and officials….. wow what a shock
He is not letting emotion override judgement as so many have.
Him and Jim full on love var. It's one of the few things I don't agree with Simon about
Wants more interviews with refs like Mike Dean
What did he say that’s wrong? He holds refs accountable in this same show
Have to say as a Liverpool fan, Guardiola without doing anything just saying stuff can make you laugh, the guy is funny!
Guardiola saying theyre the lead roles now has been taken out of context. He's saying that in recent times theyre commanding more media attention than the players.
Yes. And that is a roundabout way of criticizing the refs, not their basic competence, but their attitude. Presumably he is alluding to a too strong "take charge" attitude that can result in more whistles and too many bookings. How does that EPL red card count look this season compared to last, eh?
Then blame the media, not the refs. problem is people would rather blame the refs then the players because they know that next week they will have to ignore one of their own players blatant cheating and blame the ref.
@@hssIceland Not understanding your point, at least how it relates to the OP's comment on what Pep said.
Simons view is that players and teams who are cheated and prejudiced by referee incompetence should simply shut up and accept it. This coming from a man who has an outspoken view on absolutely everything
He was born to disagree with anyone and everyone even if it contradicts things he's said before. It's his way of making a name for himself. Sometimes it's entertaining, sometimes it's just arguing for the sake of being outspoken
He is mates with mike dean and the pgmol..this is not just because he likes to be different !sky didnt discuss the contoversial decision at half time , bbc , talksport,thesun ,daily mail all defending the refs..,this goes to show how deep is the reach of the PGMOL
Explains his faux outrage over the term "escalation" in Liverpool's statement 😂
@@Geohillierneo Maybe he's a narcissist?
😂😂 💯
Scabby lips Jordan sat there slagging the officials off saying they should be sacked then last week was saying referees should be respected 😂 blokes an absolute parcel
So's your ma.
@@alansmith4655So’s your da.
So looking at a screen and listening to a ref in your ear has now become the mission to the moon right???
Simon is wrong on this Howard Webb is on tv every other day doing interviews. Iv seen more of him than i have of Klopp or Pep or any player...Every single week we are not talking about how good the match was its always about how the Refs fucked things up AGAIN.
I'm with Pep on this one.
I also think the game has advanced so quickly, that the refs haven't been able to keep up.
Yeah the players have gone from being men that could take a hit, get up and get on with it or even throw a few punched and still play on to being a bunch of overpaid, crying little prima-donnas that roll 4 times over every time someone gets near them. The game has advanced but the cheating, playacting and diving has advanced more, used to be you fought to win you didn't cry to win.
Too much regional misrepresentation too. Officials involved in games with their ‘local’ region or ones involving arch rival regions. Chris Kavanagh from Manchester doing VAR did not send off Harry Kane in the first half v Liverpool in 21/22 season despite a clear red. Same VAR official who let Onana off his foul against Wolves. PGMOL apologised twice to Arsenal last season when Lee Mason (Greater iManchester) disallowed Arsenals opening goal at Old Trafford & then ‘forgot’ to draw offside lines in their game with Brentford. If it is coincidence fine, but let’s consider potential risk with so many referees from the North West & potential for bias even if it’s unconscious.
" it was an opportunity for him to speak good about the refs" Danny what good thing they did refs should never be mentioned when talking football they not main roles
The referees assistant nee linesman flagged offside. I wonder if he thought it was or he was just playing safe trusting that VAR would double check. If so that mindset has to go.
Poor Danny, having to resort to writing on his hand! Get that man some paper!
Just cancel the offside rule completely which will make defenders pay more attention to what is going on as opposed to holding a line to try and catch out the attackers. Much more interesting game tactically. Same for everyone. Must find reasons to keep the game flowing as opposed to rules to stop it. Try it in the lower leagues. It would certainly improve defenders awareness and marking skills,
Yes. Cut your nose to spite your tongue
Guardiola is saying what everyone is thinking. The referees have been on a steady decline for years. I'd say more bad decisions are made now than at any time before VAR
Defending is also declining
Simon Jordan is out of order saying Manchester City players cheat and simulate. In all honesty, I can name one player in the last two decades that played that way, and he got sold. That was Raheem Sterling. The salt that gets thrown at this football club is unending. Why can't other fans just put football first, instead of always saying those who beat you must be 'cheating' in some way? Don't be bitter, be better.
Correct, two of the worst cheating diving bastards in the last few years were salah and mane at the dippers, with kane a close third, but because those 3 were and still are darlings of the English media and the English authorities, they got away with murder.
Guardiola said the THE PLAYERS should be more humble and acknowledges it's the Refs who are in charge....why is everyone getting that wrong?
I dont often disagree with Simon but how can you call for him to be sacked. He's made a mistake he realises straight away that he has. How are we going to improve refs if at every mistake we try and fire them.
HE'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THIS LEVEL.
Maybe if such consequences are a reality they will be more diligent. In most jobs, that type of mistake would result in being sacked.
They really should have VAR specialists. The replay controller was the guy who spotted the mistake and seemed to have the whole thing under control. The referees never would have spotted their mistake if the replay controller hadn't pointed it out to them.
Make guys like the replay editor the ones who make decisions over VAR, maybe they have a referee in the truck with them to consult on the actual rule book.
Exactly. They could even just hand the whole job to the football commentary team, since they have access to live replays. They are the same as VAR and us. Watching 90+ minutes of football. What will never be fixed is the word 'interpretation'.
I agree witth Danny. Theres a difference between a referee and a ref on VAR. its like saying a world class footballer should be as good at management because its basically the same thing but with less pressure on pitch.
Benefit should be giving to the attacker if its a close call .... great rule
yesterday Jim was strongly arguing that you cant restart the game once a decision has been made. Now everyone mocks it he joins in! What principles!
What should happen is there should be a representative from each team in the VAR room overlooking the decision making.
BTW Danny writing on his hand is just proof he’s just an every day guy!
There is so much doping obviously going on in certain clubs that it becomes almost impossible for officials to officiate.
The problem surrounding the VAR error wasn't the error but the expectation that a newly implemented technology would be perfect. An error was made and corrected. It was a costly mistake against Liverpool but it ameliorated the process of reducing future officiating errors.
But there should be consequence
VAR should only become involved when the ref asks them to check a certain incident, that is it. Thats the way it works pertectly in rugby
Simon two months ago saying Mike dean shouldn’t be criticised because var and on field are completely different. But now saying if your not fit to do one your not fit to do the other. If Darren England went on his podcast he’d be saying differently!
Defending cheating officials shocker !! You shouldnt sack currupt officials these clowns are saying 😂😂
Cheating? They made a mistake
Citation required
Assuming the mistake was deliberate corruption is a bold statement that seems more emotionally than factually driven. Give us a reference for that claim.
Danny Murphy trying to get a word in from 6:45 to 7:35 😂
Many flight accidents have occurred in history with extremely experienced pilots simply because the main pilot had a bit of tiredness and the copilot was 'afraid' to correct the main pilot's mistake or inform them of it. This is exactly what happened here. The VAR ref was too afraid to tell the on field ref he'd got it wrong.
I love you guys at talksport, but you can't honestly disagree with what Pep said there. I admit I haven't heard the entire interview, but if you're going to use that soundbite of Pep. You should put in the question he was asked for some context.
I think easily solved. Standardised decision calls. Goal, No Goal, Onside, Offside, Foul, No Foul, Penalty, No Penalty
At the end of the day, the official should have grasped the situation and established control of the conversation that had become utterly confusing. Once he had clarified the outcome/result with all parties, he then could have provided an instruction to the ref.
1:45 "I don't know what you think Danny?..." Danny catching Flies:
it wasn't too long ago when a player was off-side if he was in an off-side position no matter whether he was involved in the the play or not, because by being in that position required a defender to keep an eye on him, therefore he WAS INTERFERING in the play, there was never any disputes or arguing, and the linesman's flag went up straight away not 30 seconds later just to see if they had gained an advantage, handball was handball if you gained an advantage ie: if the ball hits your hand or arm and you gain possesion accidental or not - close distance irrelevant, everybody knew the rules and nobody could argue against that, the problem is nobody has got the nerve to admit that the rule changes have been wrong. i know it will never happen because a lot of todays fans have never seen the old off-side and handball rules in operation but they need to go back to the old rules . in this instance these var officials are obviously not watching the game because they didn't even know what the ref had blown for and couldn't even agree with each other when play re-started. they should be sacked and then get rid of var.
correct, every single rule change in the last 10 years has brought in more and more "interpretations" like "natural position", "interfering with play" or "blocking line of sight" then the refs take the heat for not knowing how to enforce these rules.
Don't you think if the players stopped cheating how many penalties have given due to players diving going down like they have been shot
Danny becoming a great Observer and Observer, really respect his views now and before I couldn’t stand him.
Absolute nonsense from S.J
Manager's complaints over lack of professionalism and competence among Premier League refs is now 100% confirmed.
Pep got his proof 😂
Danny Murphy spot on. VAR and on field is not the same skills/competencies
How does "petulance and arrogance" by managers lead to the mistake we watched in the Liverpool V Spurs match? I bet it is incompetent decisions like that, that lead to the said " petulance and arrgance".
@1:50 "I dunno what you think Danny" Nothing? Hello darkness my old friend..
Its wasnt a mistake it was a deliberate intervention on behalf of a betting syndicate for spuds to score first
I think guardiola is spot on referees now think they are the mainmen in football games
But they are, without them you can not play, just ask the grassroots levels
The problem with VAR isn't VAR its the fact that whoever is using it cant seem treat both teams the same which is why it causes so much controversy. The game just needs to unbiased you cant check for one team and not check for the other.
Maybe his general point was, there is too much attention on VAR, criticise but once they've admitted a mistake move on and let them get on with rectifying it/preventing it from reoccurring by improving their process. I'll also say, City were on the wrong end of game changing mistake last weekend too(two orange card fouls first half for the match winner, only one yellow card) but sky brushed it under the carpet(gaslighting fans with former ref nonsense takes that don't match the replay footage), MOTD didn't even show it(fast cut, drawing attention away from mistakes). Wolves themselves and host of non-big six teams have had to accept costly mistakes already this season too, very little coverage of them them and I'm not sure any acknowledgement of a mistake was given by PGMOL for those either. Everyone is still having to put up with game changing mistakes, but when it's Liverpool or United... 'everyone stop what you're doing and come talk about this for a full week or more' UK punditry and journalism in a nutshell, riddled with bias and agendas.
Thats not true Pep always advocated and was a strong proponent of VAR . Simon is wrong blaming Pep
Pgmol had not apologise to the million and million of overseas fan. Simon always claimed football an emotion investment game. How about Simon spare a thought for all overseas fan. We deserve an apology from pgmol. What we want is a fair and just game.
Who cares about overseas fans. Lol browns don’t matter.
Pep is dead right!
These officials are incompetent and they need dealing with. Sack them all and bring in foreign refs.
Simon and Jim constantly up their arses is pathetic
You forgot the purpose of the topic: Blatant BS from VAR decision makers. Happen to Arsenal last season too.
Refs should be invisible in a perfect world. The world is not perfect but the ref's should not be given more prominence, If refs are clearly seen to be incompetent or biased, there should be a penalty. It's this above the law appearance that needs to be addressed.
they should look at how pilots do it for there job when they are training to fly a new plane or understand a new piece of equiptment. they are trained intenseley for weeks before they are allowed anywhere near the plane again and then still have to pass the test to be allowed to continue there duties. they could also use simulators aswell. the technology is out there they should use it as the premier leauge is not short of money is it
I came across a study comparing women judges and men judges, which found that, on average, women judges prioritize justice while male judges prioritize upholding the law. Interestingly, the recent Liverpool game underscored this distinction as the VAR officials were focused on the game's rules rather than matters of justice. Perhaps it's worth considering the introduction of more women referees and women linesmen and VAR assistants.
ive never been paid in a job if didnt do the job or did it wrong but hey in football the officials can cost millions in betting and trust in the game and still get paid
I want to see a matching of strength between two teems, refs should not feature at all. The officials are trash and Simons take is trash.
A good ref is seen but not heard, this lot just want to be the star of the match.
Try telling your boss you cant be expected to do your job properly cos you have only been at it for five years and your job used to be a bit different.
Enough move on. Its Its not happening for the first time. Rectify as soon as possible.
Didnt Darren England give Man united a penalty after the final whistle had went and it didnt change the outcome.
What pressure do they have not to make a mistake if they use VAR right everything is ok
Coote has history on Var,
They need to draw a line in the sand with VAR. The winning margins in the Premier league are so slim that a flagrant mistake could be the difference between a big bump of cash for getting into Europe or even winning the league.
Problem is if they drew a line they'd probably ignore it 😂
The ref in this game is mostly to blame,VAR is his assistant,he could have gotten the decision right if he just asked for clarity...i would love someone to ask the ref "WHAT DOES CHECK COMPLETE MEAN? Immediately after Darren sais it,he blows the whistle to continue with a free kick(offside).When did M.Oliver hear "continue game with onfield decision...WHEN? Did we miss that audio aswel?
From a Liverpool perspective, Man City is a club that pipped them to the title three times in eight years for a combined points differential of four.
All their financial breaches that are going ignored are no doubt worth those 4 points imo.
When you consider that, how can you be surprised about the uproar regarding this 'accident' regarding the Diaz goal against Tottenham. With the other dubious calls that game, could well be 3 points dropped not just 1. Clearly those points are significant.
How do you not expect people to be suspicious about officials visiting the UAE and returning to officiate a game in this manner? Honestly not one word about investigating them for corruption?
Just because those involved in the industry can't say that kind of thing, for fear of being discredited and damaging the integrity of the sport that earns them a living, doesn't mean it's not an obvious thing to investigate.
Guardiola is correct. Refs love the limelight. Never met one that didnt.
They just lost Rodri and Kevin see what they are going through already .
Spent 4 months trying to do formulas in a word document before realising he was in the wrong application and should have been using Excel.
He cant sack the VAR without doing the same to the ref. Where is the refs audio,why cant we here M.Oliver voice while this is going on,everything with this audio is pointing to VAR instead including the Ref,he has the final decision and if its not clear then you ask for clarity
Darren England is completely unfit to be involved in any aspect of the management of a PL game. This is not about retraining, he is clearly fundamentally unsuited to this role.
There is too much at stake for the football clubs to allow him to play any further part.
Even to talk about retraining is evidence that the PGMOL care more about the old boys network than the quality of their work. Absolute disgrace.
Liverpool was playing with x2 opponents. What was going through LFC players whilst in the actual game?
Darren England & Cootes should be punished severely..The integrity of the game comes first. Last season Lee Mason (Greater Manchester) TWICE screwed Arsenal, 1. wrongly disallowing Arsenals opening goal at Old Trafford, 2. Forgetting to draw offside lines when they played Brentford. This season, Kavanagh from Greater Manchester. Ignored Onanas foul against Wolves. Not saying this is regional bias but when they make such huge mistakes, big punishments are needed & questions should be asked.
Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
He dresses like my Great Grandfather! 👊😂
Simon talking nonsense city players don't roll around
Grealish 😂😂😂
@chriseyres9333 lol OK. U can have that one. But as a city fan he's not what a picture when I look at us last 10 years
@@joshspilsbury1931 barcelona charged for bribery and curruption under peps control Oh look now he's your coach and under investigation 2+2=4 guilty as sin 🤣🤣
Thank You, Simon‼️👌
It's about protocols. The protocols should never allow this to happen. If there were protocols and he did not follow them he should be retrained or even sacked.
I strongly suspect there were no such protocols and that PGMOL are just a shambles of an organisation.
Also why is it that the Liverpool and Man City managers are at the forefront of this? Why did this not happen last season when Newcastle, Brighton and West Ham, amongst many others, suffered from outrageous decisions? It's because they are not in the so-called Big 6. It's sheer hypocrisy from those two.
I'm saying it again.... Look at rygby var... Professional, reasoned, calm under pressure, just far superior to football
Absolutely spot on Simon spot on 👏👏👏👏
What TalkSport has missed in it's pursuit of lambasting Pep(and City) any way possible. Is that he started out sympathising with the refs, by saying VAR has changed their roles. The on field decision was wrong and in the end VAR didn't correct it. Almost everyone is in agreement that in many respect VAR is taking away from the excitement(players and fans waiting to celebrate) and mistakes like this will only make it worse. The point being it needs to improve, we shouldn't have to talk about the refs or VAR so much and he's right. He also said he doesn't know the answer and doesn't care, other people are paid to take care of that(humble enough Simon?). He's made it clear before that they make rules without any consultation of manangers or club captains anyway, so why should he even give his input/opinion(especially when outlets like TalkSport misconstrue it for headlines and clicks...).
Pep was prodded for a response and reluctantly gave one and this is the result we have. Simon with his "YOUR players cheating, diving, time-wasting"(defo has it in for City)... That's what he was really waiting for the excuse to say. Except City players get fouled a lot and they timewaste the least because City have the ball the most. Wasn't there a stat showing City's games had the highest amounts of ball in play time? The same data they used to change the time added on protocol... and he's there with his 'YOU', 'YOUR' spite tone he normally uses for Hearn. Mr Self Awarness.
Pep makes more sence than “Punch n Judy”
Create 2 leagues for Ref's. If they have a stinker, deduct points. Ref's in the 2nd division get no, EPL, UCL, International matches. Problem solved!
There have been so many worse VAR decisions than this. Yet because itsLiverpool this is the outcome
Im in disbelief reading some of the comments coming out in support of Pep for the crap he is shovelling. Who does he think he is? Who cares what he thinks, he is JUST a manager of another football club. Its that simple. When City and Barca get the come comeuppance (and I hope they do for the integrity of football financing) he will be....Well what?
Im involved in Grass Roots football and a pre-season friendly the opposition manager and parents are screaming at the ref the whole game, their players were flying through out players with two footed tackles, pulling shirts, elbows up (obviously been coached this way). The game was in the end called off when their keeper punched one of our lads.
But in the lead up to it being called off, the managers were on the pitch shouting at the ref, calling him all sorts for actually what were the correct decisions. None of them were so subjective that they could have been contested. Then parents (fans) started crossing the respect barrier, the physical line / rope separating spectators and players on the pitch. It got out of hand. Parents screaming at the ref, surrounding him calling him all sorts. It was a disgrace!! Unreal!
The ref was 14 and was autistic, he was refereeing a bunch of Under 8's. Autistic in the sense that he played everything by the book, he was outstanding and that annoyed the hell out of the team and fans who wanted to play rough and go too far. Did the ref get everything exactly right, not there was a mistaken corner to the opposition and a couple of tackles that were subjective and a handball that was really harsh.
Our game has no chance if Refs are treated like this at the start of their journey! The baying mobs across this country including managers and players should be getting on side. Instead all they create are this circus around everything that includes someone telling them "no you can't act like that, you can't jump up and down on the sideline criticising everything decision on the pitch"
Pep Guardiola calling someone arrogant? Thats rich coming from him! Give him a strapped for cash team and see how he does!
Simon is right that players cheat during the game by cheating by rolling around on the floor when they are not touched.
Wenger has been stating this so many years and English officials are still making major errors in games even though now they have the technology to help them. The media is defending them. Unbelievable
Dont replay it but we reserve the right now to dive for pens in every game this season and noone says anything until justice has been served
That one point has cost us league titles so that means we reserve the right to dive for pens in every remaining game this season
If a referee has had a good match you don't notice them. Same with boxing.
What was Danny Murphy writing on his hand? Perhaps, Milk, Bread, Marmite!
well hes happy hes favoured
By the way who has calculated 40 minutes of time wasting, it seems they dont watch all the premier league matches...
Would be nice if Simon let somebody else get a word in the guy loves the sound of his own voice
Simon Jordan couldn’t tear into a paper bag, The standard of refereeing and VAR is far worse since Howard Webb took over. All Howard Webb has done, is to punish managers who highlight the shocking standard of refereeing in the Premier League.
I agree with Pep. Referees are now more important than the game. Simon, you are not always right.
No one should even know referees names, never mind be discussing them as nauseam after the match every weekend. That was Pep’s point. They don’t have the authority to actually control matches, then when big incidents pop off they continuously get them incorrect.
"continuously get them incorrect." where are you getting this from? how many 100% non debatable calls have the refs gotten wrong? And how many they got right? I'm confident that the "right" category is gonna win out by a long way here. The only reason you think this is because when they get it wrong it's all anyone talks about, hell even when it's not 100% and people are split on what the correct call is (Like with almost ALL big calls) it's still ALL PEOPLE TALK ABOUT! This is the doing of the media and the people NOT the refs.
igh Jordan ... you hate n Love him... the stamp of a true leader. Heard a caller say :go to ManU and fix things... as a fan of the Premier, i have to admit that that would be absolutely epic.