I do this with the stalwart all the time, lowest firerate and I just spray into their general direction "Man these guys cant aim for shit today" - A happy Helldiver I played with earlier
Unrelated but stalwart at lowest rpm is my fave because of how satisfying it sounds, and the way it feels on your hand if playing on PS5 lol. You can feel each shot rather than a continuous stream.
that's why i always use suppressive fire when possible, had this habit of shooting only when with a target centered, now i use bursts in the generic area, or hold the burst while switching targets, helps quite a lot to avoid beeing overwhelmed
I got conditioned to expect it around the time I got into Battlefield 3. It feels like it works in PvE (campaign + co-op missions), but it was billed as a central mechanic of PvP where if you shoot at and around other players, their shot spread would widen, their recoil would increase when firing, and the edges of their vision would darken, giving them tunnel vision until they could break suppression for a few seconds. This carried over into Battlefield 4, Battlefield 1, and Battlefield V. It also makes enemies flinch in other game franchises like Metal Gear, Payday, GTA / Red Dead... so I just assume that suppressing fire works. Even if it doesn't, when in a co-op game, it can pull aggro onto one player, giving another player a chance to reposition and break the 50/50. Big mechanic, Aggro, in the Army of TWO games; I miss them.
I play a lot of ArmA and the concept of suppressive fire is a natural one. When I started playing, I was told bugs were the easy one, but found much greater success with the Automatons. I didn't realize until now that it's because I deliver a lot of suppressive fire even if I'm not sure to hit my target.
It was gamified but still pretty well done in tom Clancy's: Division (1 and 2) and translated it kinda well into their PvP being that they do more damage to targets not in cover (not attached to a low wall or a wall) incentivizing further to people to not get shot and for people using MG's to lay it down on them. and speaking of PvP I have a few examples where it was pretty well done in a few games, but any game (PvP) its in is hated, cause no one likes getting suppressed (they don't realize they arent supposed to like it) Games like Battlefield 3 (early game before they toned it down to appease the casual crowd, which was not only a nerf to all weapons but to machine guns in general, they did a pass tuning suppression but I personally think they ruined it) Rising Storm 2 did a pretty good job of making it clear you were getting shot at and to make suppression noticeable both ways or more current examples, the less casual more hard core shooters like Squad or Squad 44 (aka Post Scriptum) and even Hell Let Loose. What catches me off guard is that this game of all games has it implemented, coming from Helldivers 1 I would never had expected such a mechanic but with it implemented it gives more utility to the MG's then just SHOOT MORE and I love that But thats just me, an LMG enjoyer
The animation for the knockback of the berserkers is terrifying their heads will stay looking forward for a second after getting staggered then snap back onto you before they start walking you down again. I don’t know if it’s the same for the devastators but dear god looking down your scope while those things walk you down is a primal kind of fear
@@Rayven_420nah, they got human brains running those bodies of theirs, they just take them out of civilians and then use the rest of the body as biofuel
@@Rayven_420 If you land a headshot that doesn't kill the bots, you can crack the skull and see a harvested human brain inside, being used as a CPU. The Automatons in HD1 were Cyborgs, got their asses kicked, fucked off, and returned in HD2 as the Automatons. They're still brains inside of machines though; they're just more machine now, than man.
@@Rayven_420 Haven't you noticed that the automatons do bleed? You end up the missions soaked in blood sometimes. Check the automaton bases with attention, they have cages where they hold tons of human bodies. Plus the new secondary objective where there's a weird meat grinding machine. They are cyborgs, they harvest human parts that are incorporated into the mechanical bodies. It's just that they are way more machine than organic percentage wise. Think like Robocop, he has a face, a brain and some simple digestive and circulatory system to keep the organic parts alive. The rest is robotic.
@@Automaton-37467 oh no I already know how the berserkers work no amount of ammunition besides a hammer of dawn is going to get through that tough armor of theirs. 😅
lol, I don't believe this, I'm literally damaging them with the counter sniper (missing the head) and they'll still beam you. Maybe it's been fixed recently, but it definitely had little effect before
for me the hardest part are when Factory Strider and Tank with Quadcanon variant already locked on us... the accuracy is like a sniper and will shredded you in no time! 😭
I love that this game has a suppression mechanic at all, at the begining of this games life though there was only these units that were able to be suppressed. and while this hasnt changed, the light pen weapons are now able to flinch enemies better with their (recently buffed) stagger value so gaining fire superiority in an engagement is as important as ever. I love rock'n an MG and being the guy that keeps your guys alive by causing them to miss their rockets more frequently.
Payday 2 had this mechanic too. Weapons there have a "threat" stat. The higher it is, the higher the chance police and SWAT get suppressed when shot near or at them. Shotguns and machine guns are better at it, while suppressed pistols are worst. (Suppressed SWAT cover, instead of firing at player, even if he is right in front of them and are easier to intimidate and force to surrender)
I've noticed a big difference in accuracy at various difficulties. You won't see them leading their shots through the dirt at 10, but it's more common at 7 and below. They also have glitches where their gun just auto fires even when dead or removed.
@@mindsight9732 I haven't noticed any difference because im basically always on 10 Im pretty sure thats just coincidence because each enemy doesnt change at all between difficulties so i dont know why accuracy would be the only exception
@@zemufinman1639 It didn't used to be, but now it's apparent with bots. walking in front of a machine gun nest is a jump scare with maybe 1-2 hits with the initial burst on 7, but on 10 it's like walking in front of a factory strider. Just like rocket striders only show up past 7, there are also different versions of automatons, with atleast 2 models for automaton troopers with one being blackfaced and sporting a higher armor rating. There are 10 different troopers listed in datamine. Which doesn't split well between 6 different types. Commisars and Scout Raiders are listed separately, as are Rocket Raiders, MG raiders, Assault Raiders, which makes 10 types of trooper to have more confusing. You'll at higher levels not just brawlers using MG nests, but also Rocket Raiders. So you could have 11+ different enemies behind the machine gun nest.
this is probably the reason why the Sickle is extra effective in dealing these trash mobs.. they only downside is they can't really penetrate medium and above armor
Problem is there’s 35 of them landing behind and on top of you every 60-90 seconds and suppressive fire only really works on the baby bots. I have taken off shields, arms and other areas and many a bit still put a red projectile right through my noggin despite shooting second.
I feel like the suppression used to be almost non existent but now, i feel like the suppression is way overtuned, its like theyre forced to not shoot within a hard circle around you or others when suppressed, i guess the last one was more realistic though i just stopped supressing because after alot of trying i didnt feel a noticeable change, so i just went for headshots instead and hid behind cover more than anything
This is a really nice mechanic. Not that i use it, because by the time I am not killing bots, I am getting the HELL out of dodge, and i am a little too busy to suppress.
If you have the machine pistol sidearm (P-19 Redeemer) equipped you can burst fire in the direction your camera is facing without slowing down, just don't hold the aim button.
Does this work with the energy weapons too? Ex. Sickle or laser pistol Can all Automatons be suppressed or is it only smaller ones (ex. Can't suppress Devastators or Hulks)
yes this mechanism exist, but this is a bad idea. i would say it's a trap. your missed bullets (and you WILL miss) will go straight behind your target and aggro whatever enemy unit in that direction no matter the range.
Lore-wise we don't know. There is no lore-item proving that actual human brains are in the automatons, though it is somewhat suggested that the automatons are harvesting human brains for some unknown purpose.
can confirm that, it's just that when a shield dev shoots you it gets hard to notice, cause you eiter die almost instantly or take them out before they can do that (happens a lot, i just spot one, and i am already indistiguishible from a chese toast )
While I do enjoy the content, I can't help but wonder at the title. This and your other HD2 video has very little to do with the animation team and much more with the coders who program that behaviour.
Ahh, right the one titled "when the animation team cares about the lore". That's the design team, who put new suits of armour and jump packs on the bots. Maybe, you could argue, the bot looting super vending machines is the animation team, yeah. Still, most of the examples you give in that video and almost all aspects of this video here show the job of non-animators.
A handy incentive to teach players about laying down suppressive fire.
That or the toasters don't like getting shot at either, lol
they do have literal brains modelled in those metal heads so these mfs could very likely be ex humans or some sheez like cyborgs were
Do you have proof for that? Sounds like clancker-propaganda to generate sympathy @@AlenB29
@@AlenB29 thats exactly what they are. and your triggering their fear response towards imitate death.
Imitate? imminent*@@lc5957
This guy is like Zullie the Witch but for Helldivers 2
using the same music too
@@reap3rofd00m3 does Zullie use Halo music tho?
@@timur5219 No, she use Zelda games music or any Fromsoft game music
@@araxyzmorningstar2854 exactly
@@timur5219 i feel like halo music is to helldivers as zelda music is to dark souls though lol
I do this with the stalwart all the time, lowest firerate and I just spray into their general direction
"Man these guys cant aim for shit today"
- A happy Helldiver I played with earlier
Unrelated but stalwart at lowest rpm is my fave because of how satisfying it sounds, and the way it feels on your hand if playing on PS5 lol. You can feel each shot rather than a continuous stream.
that's why i always use suppressive fire when possible, had this habit of shooting only when with a target centered, now i use bursts in the generic area, or hold the burst while switching targets, helps quite a lot to avoid beeing overwhelmed
I got conditioned to expect it around the time I got into Battlefield 3. It feels like it works in PvE (campaign + co-op missions), but it was billed as a central mechanic of PvP where if you shoot at and around other players, their shot spread would widen, their recoil would increase when firing, and the edges of their vision would darken, giving them tunnel vision until they could break suppression for a few seconds. This carried over into Battlefield 4, Battlefield 1, and Battlefield V. It also makes enemies flinch in other game franchises like Metal Gear, Payday, GTA / Red Dead... so I just assume that suppressing fire works. Even if it doesn't, when in a co-op game, it can pull aggro onto one player, giving another player a chance to reposition and break the 50/50. Big mechanic, Aggro, in the Army of TWO games; I miss them.
I like how this channel either displays great game mechanics, like Helldivers or dying light, and then contrasts that with Star Wars outlaws 😂😂
He shows the best mechanics of outlaws lmao
The duality of man.
I play a lot of ArmA and the concept of suppressive fire is a natural one. When I started playing, I was told bugs were the easy one, but found much greater success with the Automatons. I didn't realize until now that it's because I deliver a lot of suppressive fire even if I'm not sure to hit my target.
Same here
Bugs are way harder than bots tbh
Nah same here tbh
The bots have always been better balanced, yeah. The bugdivers just can't comprehend the three Cs for some reason.
this might be the first time ive actually seen suppressive fire properly implemented
It was gamified but still pretty well done in tom Clancy's: Division (1 and 2) and translated it kinda well into their PvP being that they do more damage to targets not in cover (not attached to a low wall or a wall) incentivizing further to people to not get shot and for people using MG's to lay it down on them.
and speaking of PvP I have a few examples where it was pretty well done in a few games, but any game (PvP) its in is hated, cause no one likes getting suppressed (they don't realize they arent supposed to like it)
Games like Battlefield 3 (early game before they toned it down to appease the casual crowd, which was not only a nerf to all weapons but to machine guns in general, they did a pass tuning suppression but I personally think they ruined it)
Rising Storm 2 did a pretty good job of making it clear you were getting shot at and to make suppression noticeable both ways
or more current examples, the less casual more hard core shooters like Squad or Squad 44 (aka Post Scriptum) and even Hell Let Loose.
What catches me off guard is that this game of all games has it implemented, coming from Helldivers 1 I would never had expected such a mechanic but with it implemented it gives more utility to the MG's then just SHOOT MORE and I love that
But thats just me, an LMG enjoyer
The animation for the knockback of the berserkers is terrifying their heads will stay looking forward for a second after getting staggered then snap back onto you before they start walking you down again. I don’t know if it’s the same for the devastators but dear god looking down your scope while those things walk you down is a primal kind of fear
You can stagger lock them (they keep sliding forward) so they go right past you.
their human brains get scared, the adrenaline kick gives the super earth citizen slight control :O
that's my interpretation
But the Automatons are entirely mechanical? So how does that work?
@@Rayven_420have you never bothered to think why do they stack human bodies next to their factories?
@@Rayven_420nah, they got human brains running those bodies of theirs, they just take them out of civilians and then use the rest of the body as biofuel
@@Rayven_420
If you land a headshot that doesn't kill the bots, you can crack the skull and see a harvested human brain inside, being used as a CPU. The Automatons in HD1 were Cyborgs, got their asses kicked, fucked off, and returned in HD2 as the Automatons. They're still brains inside of machines though; they're just more machine now, than man.
@@Rayven_420 Haven't you noticed that the automatons do bleed? You end up the missions soaked in blood sometimes. Check the automaton bases with attention, they have cages where they hold tons of human bodies. Plus the new secondary objective where there's a weird meat grinding machine.
They are cyborgs, they harvest human parts that are incorporated into the mechanical bodies. It's just that they are way more machine than organic percentage wise.
Think like Robocop, he has a face, a brain and some simple digestive and circulatory system to keep the organic parts alive. The rest is robotic.
Now you know why when running away do it in a zig zag pattern will help avoid the aimed shots.
This
Serpentine! Serpentine!
This is why you perform a fighting retreat when fleeing bots.
Fleeing is treason!
@@johnhendersonnit's not fleeing. Just a tactical relocation
@@guts-141 Exactly! You can't serve Super Earth if you're dead, and you can always kill those bots later!
@@johnhendersonn No, no. In Helldivers 1 they teach you how to "run away bravely"
This can be a proof that Automatons using human brains in production of their soldiers, and it's actually scared instead of hyperreacting.
That's why i like to bring Machine Gun + Guard Dog into bot missions
That's actually pretty smart. Never thought about doing that.
I like how its laser gun overheated and had to be reloaded with an ice
The Halo music was a nice touch.
Yeah ptsd is awful, speaking from experience
Helldivers 2 is the only game with good loading screen tips
Tips like, "dont die" and "freedom is good" 😂😂😂😂
“Stims do not have any addictive properties”
Wow that is a horrible design flaw on the automatons part 😅 but a good thing for our Helldivers it just raised their chances of survival by a lot 🤣
Try it with a Berserker, lets see how much that accuracy drops then.
@@Automaton-37467 oh no I already know how the berserkers work no amount of ammunition besides a hammer of dawn is going to get through that tough armor of theirs. 😅
@@PabloHernandez-gl5ijidk one pump action staggers and kills them pretty quick
@@PabloHernandez-gl5ij Oh no I insist. If they have such horrible design flaws it shouldn't be a problem yes?
@@PabloHernandez-gl5ij
Nice Gears of War refference.
This also works for devastarts so shooting at them makes them miss even the heavy devastators
lol, I don't believe this, I'm literally damaging them with the counter sniper (missing the head) and they'll still beam you.
Maybe it's been fixed recently, but it definitely had little effect before
for me the hardest part are when Factory Strider and Tank with Quadcanon variant already locked on us... the accuracy is like a sniper and will shredded you in no time! 😭
Rocket Striders aren't actually that accurate with their missiles when they're suppressed.
NO.............WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It actually worrrrrk????
Love the lore that its the human instinct of the parts harvested from people that causes this.
“They don’t like it when you shoot at them! I worked that out myself.”
-Sergeant Malcom ‘Mal’ Reynolds
(Firefly)
Perfect BGM choice. Peril slaps
This just supports my theory that the automatons are people.
Yes democracy officer, this one right here
Mhm, interesting... Now face the wall, traitor
no they are made out of people
Now thats a traitor behavior.
@@SeedemFeedemRobotsTRAITOR!!!
I've been playing since the week of release.... and somehow I never noticed this.
Best short video content on TH-cam, great vid as always!!!
They advertised this as a major point when fighting Automatons at launch then only added it to most Automatons in the latest update lmao
It's how the sickle works perfectly against heavy devastators.
Damn, i didnt realise it was that dramatic
I love that this game has a suppression mechanic at all, at the begining of this games life though there was only these units that were able to be suppressed.
and while this hasnt changed, the light pen weapons are now able to flinch enemies better with their (recently buffed) stagger value so gaining fire superiority in an engagement is as important as ever.
I love rock'n an MG and being the guy that keeps your guys alive by causing them to miss their rockets more frequently.
You really love jeopardy don't you ? yeah I love it too really good song
I thought I noticed inconsistent accuracy, hadn't ever seen that tool tip. Good to know
I thought that tip was a joke because it would be stupid to add that to your robot soldiers but I guess not
I think it's because the autos are actually sentient
Payday 2 had this mechanic too. Weapons there have a "threat" stat. The higher it is, the higher the chance police and SWAT get suppressed when shot near or at them. Shotguns and machine guns are better at it, while suppressed pistols are worst.
(Suppressed SWAT cover, instead of firing at player, even if he is right in front of them and are easier to intimidate and force to surrender)
Bro was firing everywhere but the helldivers
"The automatons don't like being shot at" Yeah no shit.
Used this a lot back in the days on the Creek. I think a lot of people struggled because they didn't think about that hint.
i highkey like how they hardly have cone inaccuracy, and its more like aim sway
They shoot circle rather than random spray but the idea of putting pressure on enemy ai is such a neat feature
That's the suppression stat on most enemies! I found shredder tanks and gunships are most susceptible to bursts of fire, not a continuous stream
That still doesn't explain why sometimes heavy devs will just shoot the ground when nobody is shooting at them and we are on the same elevation
I've noticed a big difference in accuracy at various difficulties. You won't see them leading their shots through the dirt at 10, but it's more common at 7 and below. They also have glitches where their gun just auto fires even when dead or removed.
@@mindsight9732
I haven't noticed any difference because im basically always on 10
Im pretty sure thats just coincidence because each enemy doesnt change at all between difficulties so i dont know why accuracy would be the only exception
@@zemufinman1639 It didn't used to be, but now it's apparent with bots. walking in front of a machine gun nest is a jump scare with maybe 1-2 hits with the initial burst on 7, but on 10 it's like walking in front of a factory strider.
Just like rocket striders only show up past 7, there are also different versions of automatons, with atleast 2 models for automaton troopers with one being blackfaced and sporting a higher armor rating.
There are 10 different troopers listed in datamine. Which doesn't split well between 6 different types. Commisars and Scout Raiders are listed separately, as are Rocket Raiders, MG raiders, Assault Raiders, which makes 10 types of trooper to have more confusing.
You'll at higher levels not just brawlers using MG nests, but also Rocket Raiders. So you could have 11+ different enemies behind the machine gun nest.
Maybe they are modern city dwellers? Traumatized by the sounds of gunz so much they get ptsd from their own weapons
I think they have anger issues
this is probably the reason why the Sickle is extra effective in dealing these trash mobs.. they only downside is they can't really penetrate medium and above armor
A hyperreactive protocols? Such a complicated term for simple panic.
This is why at least 1 guy takes machine gun for bots
Oh, shit. I didn't know about that, lol. Nice details too.
Problem is there’s 35 of them landing behind and on top of you every 60-90 seconds and suppressive fire only really works on the baby bots.
I have taken off shields, arms and other areas and many a bit still put a red projectile right through my noggin despite shooting second.
The fact I've put in over 700 hours and still haven't figured this out yet
that's interesting, but i feel i need to see more testing on this, like if it works on devastators
god i want to play this game so badly
Would've been good to see this test against a marauder, since they do seem to have exceptionally good aim
if only this applies to the cannon towers
I feel like the suppression used to be almost non existent but now, i feel like the suppression is way overtuned, its like theyre forced to not shoot within a hard circle around you or others when suppressed, i guess the last one was more realistic though i just stopped supressing because after alot of trying i didnt feel a noticeable change, so i just went for headshots instead and hid behind cover more than anything
This is a really nice mechanic.
Not that i use it, because by the time I am not killing bots, I am getting the HELL out of dodge, and i am a little too busy to suppress.
If you have the machine pistol sidearm (P-19 Redeemer) equipped you can burst fire in the direction your camera is facing without slowing down, just don't hold the aim button.
i seldom have a chance to shoot back at an mg devastator, they like to 2 shot me in their first burst of laser fire
Does this work with the energy weapons too? Ex. Sickle or laser pistol
Can all Automatons be suppressed or is it only smaller ones (ex. Can't suppress Devastators or Hulks)
i love this armor set but somehow i have the suspicion that i cant get it anymore :( sad democracy noises
HELL YEAH WE CAN BULLY THE TOASTER
I gotta remember this
Its cuz deep down the human brain gets scared when they get shot at, prob a civilian grade brain
yes this mechanism exist, but this is a bad idea. i would say it's a trap.
your missed bullets (and you WILL miss) will go straight behind your target and aggro whatever enemy unit in that direction no matter the range.
Aim for the ground or area around then if its just suppression don't shoot for the moon your hitting stars.
How long does this effect last? And is it a slow diminish, immediately revert after some time, or stay forever?
lore-wise, aren't automatons using human brains to run the soldiers, so it makes sense that they will flinch in danger?
Lore-wise we don't know. There is no lore-item proving that actual human brains are in the automatons, though it is somewhat suggested that the automatons are harvesting human brains for some unknown purpose.
Tell that to shield devastators
@@Kytes93 Cookout says hello!
Become shield devastator with the ballistic shield and knight
Storm Troopers approves.
Bro is panicking
Better take ballistic shield next time.
Oh so that’s why they suck so much in combat?
God I wish this game was on xbox
Yeah.. Try it with devastator xd
only count if your shot land near them no? Seems grazing bullets have no effect
ok but that's not the animation team, it's intentional game design ☝🤓
"We're that guy"
you know... why dont you use the SMG and the ballistic shield instead of the energy shield for those tests?
now the question is, does this apply to bigger bots? because the little guys are hardly a concern
Does this work on heavy devastator with machine gun
so i should bring stalwart to bots eh?
Does it works on Heavy Devastator?
can confirm that, it's just that when a shield dev shoots you it gets hard to notice, cause you eiter die almost instantly or take them out before they can do that (happens a lot, i just spot one, and i am already indistiguishible from a chese toast )
Zulie is that you?
Now do it against a hulk or tank
Can some one explain to me how this involves ptsd?
I hope the dev add bar or icon to show how suppressed the enemies are.
What music is that at the end?
How about those big bots like ATAT?
There alive!!!
Now try it with a hulk.
Lately I've noticed that a near miss autocannon can stagger Hulk.
i have looked every where, how did you get your vault suit to look like that
pre-order armor, not obtainable now
are cosplaying a stormtropper?
how do you get that blue and white armor
Is the Automaton saluting in the thumbnail?
Does suppressing fire work on devastators?
While I do enjoy the content, I can't help but wonder at the title. This and your other HD2 video has very little to do with the animation team and much more with the coders who program that behaviour.
Ahh, right the one titled "when the animation team cares about the lore". That's the design team, who put new suits of armour and jump packs on the bots. Maybe, you could argue, the bot looting super vending machines is the animation team, yeah. Still, most of the examples you give in that video and almost all aspects of this video here show the job of non-animators.
I don’t think that’s ptsd dawg
yeah its cool but whats this got to do with the animtaion team?
Animation team? What?
Why is your armor blue? I've seen only two other players with this color armor.
TR-7 Ambassador of the Brand is a set of armor in Helldivers 2. The set could be obtained by pre-ordering the game.
I thought it was a joke
How to get no ui on console?
Ok the up close one is bullshit what is it Xcom 95% my ass
I guess I don’t get it