Switching to smaller lights - Vlog 169
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Good stuff man! I always love seeing how you optimize your kit, it just keeps getting faster and faster!
@@Tommy_Beal Soon I’ll be done with the gig before I arrive.
@@davidmorefield 😂😂😂
I had these at one company i worked for. awesome lights, great for someone to hollywood one for broll. We always diffused them on set though, and the case for 3 was actually huge.
@@BarefootMediaTV thanks for the info!
The Astras are my favorite light. I have used a bunch of different types of lights and I find myself gravitating to the Astras more and more because of ease of use. Just plugging in a single IEC cable and you're ready to shoot. You can get battery plates for them as well and they are super clutch. The Chimera soft box takes up like no space at all when its folded up.
They do feel a little outdated at times. No LCD screen to read % with power or kelvin. You kinda just have to guess. No integrated app to control the lights.
I still think they are worth it especially for the sale price. I purchased a 3 light travel kit a while back and paid over 4k.
Im thinking of picking up a Daylight 6X. Its hard competing with windows with the Bicolor versions and still keeping them soft with diffusion. I think the the Daylight version would be just enough power to keep up.
Great video! I love seeing you trouble shoot issues and your thought process for making life easier on set. This information is always so valuable.
@@JoelGabrielsen Thanks for the insight! Your video really got me re-interested. I would love to see aputure come out with an equivalent, not the f22 series. Nanlite has their pavoslim but I wasn’t a fan of the quality of light or the poorly designed ‘softbox.’ It barely softened the light, mostly cut the intensity. And of course, I’d love for everything to be on Sidus.
I think I could do two astra style lights and one large cob to cover a ton of situations.
@@davidmorefield Dude I know! I love the F22C lights are great but there are way too many parts to make them work.The case that they come is way too big. You can't really transport them build because they take up too much space. I spend probably 15-20 minutes setting them up! They do have a lot of output 200watts but just not worth the headache of keeping up with the parts to make them work. They are also about the same weight as the Astras lol You would be set with two Astras and a cob light for most shoots. Absolutely!
Yea bi colors are not not bright enough for windows and daylight on these bi color 6x Astras the Astra new ip is a way better investment he’ll never regret it they will get lots of use . Astras ip is the way to go it solves most the issues with the older Astras even 2 times brighter if not more than the 6x way way worth it at $1000k each
Your upload frequency is unmatched 😭
Obviously setup would be a it more complicated but what about an F22x or F22c? Basically the same surface area as the astra with a chimera, super small case to transport. 200 watts of soft light output and the quality of light is really lovely
@@BryceDearden 200 watts sounds like a great middle ground but it’s the setup and small pieces that wouldn’t make me want to go with it. I hope aputure comes out with an astra equivalent.
I have a 2 x set of Astras , that they sell as a travel pack ,that came with a pelican case on wheels , not that big. The only way to get a soft light is to make the source ( softbox / diff frame ) big and close to the subject. So a 1x1 is going to need a decent size softbox / diff frame / bounce , to work as an interview key . 6x through a pop out diff 90cm , is probably the most compact way to achieve it for travel .
@@robinprobyn1971 thanks for the info. I think Joel was using a larger version and the soft quality looked good.
@@davidmorefield I think they are all the same size , there is a bracket to hold two together on one stand . Yeah you will get a good quality of light from them , but a small softbox , unless your frame is tight and the light in close to subject , wont be that soft . You need like 40 x 60 cm as a minimum .
@@robinprobyn1971a bracket ? What the name of the bracket ? 40 by 60mm what and what brand ? Thanks
i dont think you’d be saving much space with the astras. I use 4 of them daily and the cases are quite large.
@@danielpalma9339 This is good for me to hear. I’ve heard that the power connection points are not robust. Have you had any experience with that?
@@davidmorefield this is true. I’ve had a couple repaired for flickering due to power connector being loose
Small lights are great these days, way more powerful than we ever could have wished but you just can't beat surface area..."old fashioned" panel lights just can't be beat when it comes to the quality of light. As soon as flexible panels become more powerful that will be the way to go IMHO.
@@deovid I like slim panels as well. I’m not a fan of the f22 series and its folding prong structure. Much prefer to drop an all in one light like the Astras onto the stand.
Allow me to present some alternatives:
- Zhiyun Cinepeer 100 (new 100w tubelight) + Molus G300 and maybe a more modern softbox? New ones fold almost flat and should be easier to carry.
- Intellytech Lightcloth system (If you don't mind the setup time)
- Nanlite Pavoslim 240? The have a square and a rectangular version.
@@AlreadyTiredOfYou I don’t want to be a hater 😂 but Im definitely going to sound like one. I have small objections to each of these.
- I’m not the biggest fan of Zhiyun, having used them recently. Would like to stay in Sidus app as well. Unfortunately Astras do not integrate to Sidus either.
- Intellytech lightcloth is more setup than I want to commit to. I’m not a fan of building out the light structures. That’s part of the appeal of panel lights. Put them in the stand and done.
- I used the nanlite pavoslim 120 in a recent gig. The included soft ox really didn’t do much. We had to use a second bit of diffusion with reduced the output even more. And they didn’t travel that easy. Once they are up, they’re fine but just not the right fit for me.
Ok I’m done with the negativity haha. All of these lights could get the job done. I appreciate the suggestions.
@@davidmorefield Opposition is not hate, otherwise having real friends would be quite tough. How can they ever tell you the truth if they can't risk offending you!? 😁 I appreciate you took the time to answer. And they are all good reasons. Hope you find the way! All the best!
@@AlreadyTiredOfYou Sometimes I’ll revisit options that I had written off in the past. So it’s good for me to see these suggestions again.
1 of 1 is none. Always have a more than you need, especially for lighting and audio, to give you more options and backups-but not too much. 😉This is an excellent deal. If I had the money and space, I would invest. RGB has come in clutch for matching existing overheads, but bi-color will work in 95% of situations.
@@digitten Hey! Which 1 of 1 are you referring to?
@@davidmorefield Talking about the key light. At less than $500, that light is a good deal and you can keep the 300c or 200x as a spare. But like everything, having too many spares will put you in the poor house, so be careful.
@@digitten yeah two bi color Astras and a 300c would be a very versatile setup.
As extra lights you’ll be good , that is a great deal can’t go wrong I have Astras but I wound get the one new astra IP for now vs getting 2 of these older model Astras, why ? The new astra IP bi color is double the power and u will not regret it . The issue with these older Astras is you can’t see the actual colors temps it’s not precise etc . Get one new astra ip vs 2 older models then but another ip later Or another option is getting the amaran 22c that come with new upgraded brackets and soft box they are around $750 when on sale and they come with gold or vmounts and casing . With the Astras they make u buy everything extra plus you wanna buy insurance with these they are light so they are made less rugged and if they fall form a stand they can break. .
Why can't you have a Circular Polarizer on your FX6?
@@DACProVid it’s something to do with the fx6/9 series. When you put a cpl on with the internal me activates, it has strong color casts and color shifts. It’s a horrible limitation. However it’s not present on the burano/fs7/fs5 which uses the same electronic vari nd. It’s a bummer.
@@davidmorefield Ah, thanks for that info. I've been planning an FX6 purchase, maybe I'll just wait a little longer..
@@DACProVid not being able to use a cpl with internal nd isn’t a reason for me to not use the fx6. Like I said. You can use external filtration as well. Maybe they will correct in in a 2nd gen but who knows when that will be released.
@@davidmorefield Thanks!
@@davidmorefieldwhere u able to use circular polarizer on the c70?
Have you given the g300 zhiyun a thought it's only 300w light which you already have but it's tiny and it does have the power to 500w ifffff need be maybe through a window or something as it's a pretty loud light when at 500
@@stuartswindellcampoy8483 with the 300c and 200x, I’m all set for cob led’s. I chose them specifically bc they are decently high output yet don’t require a ballast and they operate off Sidus link.
@@davidmorefield oh fair sidus link is a big one , thats fair !
I don’t get it. My comment has disappeared twice! I know YT algorithms are worse each day, but can’t fathom what triggered it. I’ll try YET AGAIN.
Do away with the tennis balls! For $10 you can buy 16 socks for chair legs that do the trick. Spend a little more on Kupo protectors at about $9 for a set of three padded ones with rubber in the inside.
It will save you a ton of space when packing, will look more professional on set and will make you more creative. OK, the last claim might not be true.
@@livemusic haha never heard of these! I’ll look into them.
And that’s weird about the comment. I appreciate you sending it again.
One more question for you what Teleprompter are you using?
Smallrig!
Astras are on sale cause the new IP model is coming out soon.
@@luma_productions I could see that happening as well
@@davidmorefield if you need waterproof you may want to wait. Otherwise the current 6x’s are good lights. Beware they’re very fragile.
@@luma_productions yes I’ve heard this. Some people say they are rugged but others mention the power ports and other features keep breaking.
Waste of money. They are not significantly better for the cost + loss of features. They are only good if you have serious issues with space in locations. You will be spending $500+ to use like 5% less space. Just get some hard rubber bungee cords and strap those soft boxes down like the rest of us.
@@djrt8179 thanks for your insight. What size of airline luggage do you travel with to transport the softboxes?
@@davidmorefield if your issue is space, look at things like the light dome mini 3 which collapses and the mount rotates 90° to lay flat. If you want the lantern feel, look at photo umbrellas which offer the same level of diffusion and spread but lay flat.
Not a hater, just think spending $1000’s and getting locked into a less dynamic system for no real reason isn’t worth it. Unless you’re shooting news broadcasts, led panels aren’t usually the way to go.
@@djrt8179 I think I’m one of the few but I like the practicality of panels. Especially since some have nice pop up soft boxes.
What works best and what travels best aren’t always the same in my experience.
@@davidmorefieldnot worth it your losing power you always wanna have the power vs not having it .