Rogue 50 Cal Trolley + Lever Arm Kit Review: Expensive, but Worth It!
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Rogue recently released the Rogue LT-1 .50 Cal Trolley + Lever Arm Kit to a much excited crowd. In this in-depth review, we take a look at the Trolley and Lever Arm Kit and break down the good and the not so good, including comparisons to competitors like the Sorinex Adjustable Jammer Arms (full comparison to come in the future.)
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Did anyone else get the Trolley + Lever Arms for $200?!
Was able to get the RML version for 207ish shipped. Still waiting...
I tried to order them when there were maybe 60 left. Checked the finances to see if I could get them. By the time I came back, maybe a couple of minutes, they were sold out.
Stupid question, but how does the trolley attach to the rack itself? it looks like it has to slide down from the top of the rack, which would mean taking apart part of the rack. Am i correct?
I am also interested in knowing how they attach. I have the RML-3 that is welded and was wondering how these will attach.
Still waiting on mine... per the status of my order, they have been picked but not QC’d. Do you have any news/updates regarding the new Monster Racks?! Timing? Features?
I'm surprised with some of the negative reviews. I was so impressed with the th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMwYg0MOXR4M-oGeyBsNSYe1aPOUoRH6D cage that I got the lat pulldown attachment that goes with it. It is equally outstanding. I don't have one complaint other than putting it together is a job. The instructions and packaging of the parts are very well designed and organized. Also, I stripped and damaged the pull down cable the first day, admitting it was my stupid fault, and they quickly replaced it at no charge. I'm 6'5, 280lbs and fit in the cage just fine. Glenn B
I gotta stop watching your videos before I max out my credit cards building a home gym.
I want Rogue to send this to Brian Shaw and se him working out!!
No better quality test than literally the strongest man using it!
Even at the time you said this it had been years since Shaw was the strongest man. If anything Rogue would send it to Hafthor because he is currently probably the strongest man that ever lived and Rogue has a very close relationship with him
Did Sorinex just get Titan Fitnessed by Rogue?!
No because rogue did it better than the original
Have you tried these arms on the pr-5000 to test the fit? I’m assuming the additional pin won’t fit?
I just got the short version in last week. I have the PR5000V2 and like coop mentioned, the safety pin does go in but not as smoothly. I also just place it on the hole underneath just in case it was to slip. I can tell you that after adjusting set-screws this thing is smooth and you’ll have zero issues.
@@starlingcruz3514 when you say short version, you mean the 31”?
When does the Titan Pulldown review come?
Working on it along with the SSB.
Hi Coop, I was considering using it on REP 5000v2, but your comment on using it on Sorinex worry me a little. Do you think the hitch pin would work on REP 5000v2? I'm not follow why exactly it won't fit the hitch pin, do you mind to elaborate it a little? Thanks!
Coop please enlighten us
Hi Coop! Thanks for pumping out these types of videos, I love your reviews! Would you happen to know or remember how far out in front of the rack the 48” inch version of Rogue’s Lever Arms extend when at their lowest? I’m trying to determine if I have enough space. Also, is the shorter variant just as functional as Rogue’s 48” counterpart? Thank you in advance for your response and keep up the great content!
Can you go over the pros and cons of the different lengths of the trolley system? 48" vs 35" lengths
Shorter one can be used in the rack. That's about it.
@@GarageGymReviews I wonder how much range of motion you lose with the shorter arms outside of the rack. Not sure how significant that would be
@real Real good, I got the shorter ones. Still sitting in the boxes... Now I just need a monster rack. Come on 3.0
How are you liking the shorter model? Have you done any simulated car deadlifts with them?
coop will this fit no the rep pr5000?
For those wondering why the hitch pin will not work on the Sorinex rack, pay attention to the fact that although both offer 1" holes on all sides of the rack, Sorinex makes theirs all completely level. At first glance, this seems great; however, Rogue offsets them for a reason. In combination with crossmembers that figure this into the design, it allows for crossmembers to be level (Monster rack vs Monster Lite rack crossmember appearance) as well as bolts to be used on adjacent holes. If you pay attention to some of Sorinex's XL systems in certain configurations, bolts have to be left missing from certain crossmember spots because the holes are already bolted from another direction and therefore occupied. In my opinion, this is one of the reasons why Rogue does this better.
Good point Scott, always appreciate your detailed input.
Yes, this is something most people don't pay attention to but is definitely an engineering improvement over Sorinex and other similar racks. One thing I would like to see Rogue do is make the footplate on the bottom of the uprights a large symmetrical 5" x 5" piece or something similar so that the uprights are structurally supported on all 4 sides and can be rotated if the attachment level on one side isn't exactly where you want it. The offset hole spacing allows for more exact attachment levels for personal preference so why not take advantage of it (i.e. every 1", instead of every 2"). Of course you would want to make sure you figure out which side is most exact for you before you assemble the rack.
I hate that Rogue is doing the keyhole cutouts and wish they wouldn't have. You're making an even bigger hole that will weaken the structural integrity of the rack and having different holes on 2 sides may be an issue for non keyhole attachments if they were to do what I am suggesting above. Besides, the only reason they did it was so that their attachments will only work on the rack they are selling. All their newly released Monster Series attachments have keyhole pins, ensuring that they only work for the Monster Rack. Smart business-wise, but definitely sucks for consumers.
Hey Coop, thanks for the good review. Do you think these would mount good on a rep 5000 v2 rack? Thanks
5:28 what type of sloppy single leg deadlift is this?!
i think thats a single leg rdl
@@owenruskavich8285 still a sloppy ass single leg RDL.
@@Aaron-on5ik and that without even a kettlebell in one hand, bad form :P
Do they make converging set of jammer arms anywhere like how a hammer strength arms come together as you push up?
That would be perfect
Will it work on a Titan x3 rack?
The theory that cost them left for the smaller lever is wrong, they make these out of stock tubing which they purchase so it doesnt matter if they cut it to 35" or 48" it takes one entire tubing to so and they can still only get 2 lever arms out of one stock tubing. So basically they are different sizes but creating them claims teh same amount of tubing so to rogue their cost is the same for both.
Does anyone know what other cages these are compatible with?
What happened to just using a barbell? Levers? Trolleys? 50cal System?... Who thinks up all this crap?
An engineer with nothing else to do lol
Thanks for the review Coop, hopefully the ML ones are just as good in quality. I received an email last week and they told me that the ML ones would ship in 1-2 weeks, so I’m just here patiently waiting 😀
Excited to see those.
Where do you see the option for the ML?
I'm thinking that the cheap plastic lose fitting cap on the end of the arm is temporary which can be removed when they add new attachments to the end of the arm...perhaps like a belt squat hook ;)
WTF! $1,000 and you don't get the monolift system in their teaser video. I am soooo glad I didn't buy this thing...I would have been pissed. I assumed, wrongly so, that the video ROGUE made and POSTED ON TH-cam was the system you were getting!
Nice review. They seem like a quality piece that can add some new exercises/variations into the mix. If they were cheaper, I'd probably get a pair, but I have a few other expensive pieces I'd like to add first.
Speaking of that, I'm really looking forward to the Titan Pulldown review. I swore I'd never buy from Titan, but this piece might change my mind.
Working on that one along with their SSB
I’ve been waiting for this video and you delivered Coop! Kudos to you and thanks a million for your insight.
Here's my question. By the way, for legal reasons, I am not making you liable for the answer you give me due to what could be a safety hazard, since it would be cross branding.
Are those lever arms or any usable to other racks? I am purchasing the Prime Prodigy and was wondering if I could use third party lever arms on them
It’s a stupid lever arm that they’re over charging you for. So you can throw weight.
Any thoughts on how they perform or how practical they are on shorter half racks like the ROGUE SM-1 MONSTER SQUAT STAND 2.0?
So your video said you bought the 35 inch but they’re making a shorter one. Rogue’s website says the 35 is the shorter one and the longer one is 48? Which did you get? Any regrets or do you see any benefits to getting the other one. Trying to decide myself on which way to go.
That's exactly what I want to know. Major decision in purchasing but nobody seems to mention. The 35" can fit in the cage, whereas the 43" only on the outside. I don't see any downside to the 35". There seems to be extra room/length on the 43" that doesn't give you any other functionality. Any input?
what do you think of the GRIFFIN ADJUSTABLE LEVER ARMS, i think they are a good option since are articulated and has a function to lock.
I want these but I have a rep fitness pr5000 V1.... will it fit??
New Monster Racks? Explain yourself.
All I know is they're reworking the entire Monster line including the attachments.
Ooooo boy!!
@@GarageGymReviews Any guesses on release date?
Seriously!? I just got a new Monster Rack last year, which was a new line with key holes on sides of uprights for attachments. Are you telling me they are now making another monster rack?
Aubrey Curtis now instead of just keyholes on the side they have digital keypads for extra security.
Dropping knowledge and lifting weights! Solid video, dude!
Thanks brother!
Thanks, Coop for the review! Can’t wait for them to be delivered!
Enjoy them!
Coop, in the Rogue promo video it shows the trolley arms with j-cups being used sort of like a mono lift, are you saying they can’t be used as a mono lift? Also do you know if you’ll be able to use the monster solo pulley attachment as a belt squat? Thanks, love the videos!
can wait for titan fitness to come up with their own bastardized frankenstein version of this
titan fitness has lever arms they bolt on to rack only difference
@@raulhernandez6736 LOL just checked, they do have their Frankenstein version of it. They look like a bitch to adjust since they are bolt on, but at a $175 as opposed to $1000 , its rather tempting.
thanks for the info
It appears you would actually need BOTH sets of lever arm lengths to perform all the desired exercises. If you look close enough on the rogue website...it appears they are using the SHORT lever arms with anything done inside the rack and the LONG lever arms with any exercise done outside the rack. You can also see in order to shoulder press...they have the bottom pads resting on the safety straps, which means you need the short arms...and must use them inside the rack in order to perform seated military press or bench press. Now you need the long lever arms to do such things as bent over rows outside the rack, unless you want a really awkward range of motion. From what it appears, unless I am missing something, you would need BOTH sets of arms to perform the exercises otherwise you are extremely limited.
Will these fit on Rep Pr-5000 v2?
That's what I wanna know. Surprisingly I'm not finding any yt vids on the topic.
Looked like I must move in an arc (e.g. deadlifts). A lot of the time you want to stay in a vertical path. If stick with Barbell. For squats, DL and bench presses
Not long before Rogue attatchments can replace an entire commercial gym.
I can see myself using these to mimic multiple angles of hammer strength machines.
That's exactly why I purchased them, to mimic some uses of hammer strength machines. I'm a private trainer and don't have thousands of dollars, or space, to spend on different machines. yes 1k is a lot of money, but i'm looking at the larger space and machine savings to provide some variety to my clients and athletes.
Yep, agreed.
Hammer Strength and Technogym are something superior
American garages are huge, in England have we have tiny little garages
I dont comment much on videos but this is clearly overpriced bullshit
Those arms work with the prx folding rack?
So i was wondering... how much does this really defer from dual landmines?
Rogues mission statement " Creating more space on the gym floor for foam rolling and sitting Indian style "
Great review. I got the short arm version, and love the versatility. I’m gonna have to second your complaint about the plastic end caps on the loading pins. Mine simply fall out every use. Yes, a minor complaint ...but $1000. Oh, and the only thing I hate more than Allen bolts is Allen bolts paired with super thin lock washers. I may change those out for hex heads.
How are those shorter arms working out for you? Any limitations or regrets? Shorter seem the way to go and is what I plan on getting. The longer arms see a bit too much and I have space limitations. Also-what is the height of ur rack?
@@cpbiceman i am wondering the same thing, seems like range of motion on row movements is awkward on the short version, plus i hear the arms chip the paint anyway despite being short
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Could you use it to mimic an incline bench machine? Would you need to put the weights on blocks or something?
Yep, could use spotter arms to hold it in place too.
Cool, just saw on Rogue they use the in-rack version on the spotter arms. Was wondering if there was some auto-lock function, otherwise seems quite simple for the price (despite the roller system.)
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Would these work on the Rep Pr5000?
How often should you do rack pulls?
This feels like a piece of equipment you'd only buy if you had money to burn. Doesn't really bring anything unique you cant simulate with other bars and dumbbells for a lot less.
DJF Viking press
Would this work on a rep rack
Thanks for the review! Have you used Hammer Strength machines before, and if so, how do these feel in comparison? I have Hammer incline and flat press, and mid-row machines. Thinking of the possibility of selling those to free up space and get these!
Yes, I've used many of them. They're different because of where the weights placed and because theirs no seat or handles to hold onto for security. That said, these can achieve a lot of what Hammer Strength machines do.
2:13 not the prettiest welds
Nice, can’t wait to use these as another tool was the trolly hard to install with the steel mounting bracket and acetal rollers or was it a super easy one person job.
Very easy to install.
The thing I like is you don’t really need a spotter. I was just wondering will the longer unit work with an 8’ ceiling ?
Did you try it with the 8’ ceiling?
not worth the money by a long shot. for that money I could get so many other things, like an 800 dollar barbell and still have 200 bucks left over. Just compare how many other was you could spend that money and it becomes stupid to purchase this at full price.
Same could be said about spending $800 on a barbell when you could spend $250 and have $550 for other things don't you think? I'm not saying they are worth $1000 but what you just said makes about as much sense.
@@StonedRambo01 The point is that you could really splurge on a barbell and STILL have leftover money. It's a gimmicky, specialized piece of equipment that doesn't even specialize in anything.
@@screenshotted And you can do things with this that you cannot do with a barbell regardless of how good the barbell is. A barbell cannot be used as a jammer arm nor can it mimic a car deadlift like this. There are many things this can do that a simple barbell will not allow. There are also things you can do on a barbell that these will not be able to mimic. Regardless though buying an 800 dollar barbell is silly unless you have a lot of money to spare in which case you'd still have far better uses unless you had a near limitless amount of money in which case just buy both things.
@@twirdman2 Thanks for clearing all that up. If it weren't for you, I would not be able to know that lever arms were not barbells.
@@screenshotted Sounded like you needed the clearing up since you think an 800 dollar barbell is an alternative for the lever arms.
I'm interested in you reviewing the Monster Slinger. You do very good reviews btw.
Another great review Coop!! Can’t wait for the comparison between the Sorinex and Rogue as I’m getting the base camp uber rack and don’t know witch jammer to go with. Do you think the Sorinex j-squat can attach to the rogue jammer? Thanks!!
Yes, the J*Squat will work with the Sorinex Lever Arm
Thanks for the reply! But do you think the j-squat will work with the rogue trolley? The offset side holes makes wonder. Thanks again!
you know movember is over right lol
Really want them to make one for my infinity rack
Should I go for articulating handles?
Excelllent review! Am considering a Monster rack, with the shorter arms inside the rack, for bench presses and seated military presses - mainly due to shoulder problems requiring a neutral grip. Any comments please on the viability of this idea? Thanks.
How the hell did you get yours but I haven't even got trackin # on mine?? Oh well, happy I was one of the 1st 100 :)
I really wanna ask a question
In long term...does the rogue power rack is value for the money? Because 1200$ its pretty expensive for my at least 🤷♂️ I have plenty of options in lower prices like (atx and forsce usa ) and I have no idea what to buy😀
Can you please answer this question if you know: Will the Rogue arms fit and work on my Rep PR 5000V2 rack
Hey coop, quick question. My arms are wobbly. I'm not sure if it's the way I installed them or if that's how it is supposed to be. Are yours wobbly?
Those arms are longer than 35". I think you've got the stats mixed up.
Hi...please help. Do you think the monster lite lever arms will fit my X3 titan rack... thank you 🙏
If they cost $1000.- outrageous but $200 is more sensible.. good way to incorporate more time in and around the rack/gym
Does this fit a SML-2 ROGUE 90" MONSTER LITE SQUAT STAND
Hi.
So what is the actual difference between the lever trolly accessory designed for the monster rack & monster light rack.
Also, I’m sure I have seen a video somewhere
Where there was also straight handle & bar attachment.
Any info appreciated. 👍
Looks like they took out all the nice features from the monster lite version while barely lowering the price
Any difference in your mind in terms of functionality for the 48” version vs the 35” ones? Other than being able to use inside the rack - unless that in itself offers some kind of functionality I’m not thinking of?
Thanks for all info, great videos!
We know Rogue makes quality products, just show us what it can do. You talked more than showing us what it can do.
Did I dream this or is there a company that does this but you can put anything on the trolleys? Like you can put the j cups on it.
I've seen some positive reviews on this and a couple negative reviews. What's interesting with Rogue is that although they are becoming synonymous with quality, they also have the most patient customers when an issue occurs. That is making them more of the cool kid where no matter what they do, others don't want to say too much and get flack from others.
I haven't noticed that. I see people bring up all kinds of issues with Rogue, usually very nit-picky things because they're unexpected.
Hey Coop, do you think the J-Squat from Sorinex fit on the Rouge Lever Arms?
I received the ML version and for some odd reason they do not use rollers with bearings in them...just a bolt through a metal sleeve. Unfortunately, my rollers do not roll, regardless of what I do with the set screws. Adjusting the trolley up and down means dragging the "rollers" up the post, which is not as easy as it looks in your video. Do all four of your rollers actually roll when it's moving up and down? I'm working with Rogue on the issue and they're telling me the engineer says that they may not roll, they just need to be in contact with the post. I understand why they have the more premium options on the Monster version and not the ML version...but eliminating the bearing rollers on the ML seems ridiculous since those rollers, it seems to me anyway, are the most critical part for smooth operation.
Rogue has a distinct advantage in the fitness industry. Due to their devout following of unwavering Crossfitters, they can literally come out with anything and know that the CF crowd will buy them up like crazy regardless of how ridiculous it is
I guess the question is: what products do they have that are ridiculous?
I think what they are doing us pretty normal. Rogue needs $$, & they need to extract $$ from residual customers. People aren't going to buy new $3k racks every few years, so Rogue has to keep those customers engaged through accessories.
It's the same model most smart businesses use. Sell the platform once, & then make residual $$ through a market (i.e. iOS & Android).
The other thing is, Rogue stuff has very high quality. I've only bought one thing from them that I regret (dumbbells). Any other accessory has been worth it.
I'm one of the few owners of a Rogue Wingspan, & I've even got a video review of it up. I had never used a single piece of Rogue equipment before I bought it, other than barbells. It was worth every penny.
Correct me if i'm wrong but these look like the 48" and the shorter arms in the rack that you referred to are actually 35". Is this a mistake?
Coop, do you think it would be possible to somehow connect the two trolleys with a barbell to create a smith machine type attachment?
does the 50 cal trolley lever arm kit fit onto Repequivalent racks?
You should review the monster VS monster lite versions. For only $100 less they take away a lot of the desirable features
How long did it take to deliver from the time the order was put in? They’re saying 4-6 weeks. Thanks
Garage Gym Reviews did you ever find out if they work with the spotter arms outside? I’m trying to decide whether I should go for the short or long arms but the long arms don’t fit inside for the shoulder and chest exercises I want to use it for.
That thing looks bad ass. I might save up and get one. Totally don't need it but then again fifty percent of the crap I have is stuff I totally don't need.
Do you ever feel like the handles are too far apart ? Let’s say you’re doing shoulder press or bench press , do you ever feel like you have no choice but to use a wide grip due to the spacing between the 2 handles ?
Hey, does anyone know if the monster lite or Monster arms would work with a titan fitness T-2 rack?
This is one of the best pieces of equipment ive seen from rogue. Looks sick
It would be nice if you could actually show every use /position possible
This guys life sucks ..This dude is depressing Ok I’m out
One of the best multiple workout machine / trolley ever
Best mechanism system
Awesome innovation
Does this work with the 390F flat foot rack? My concern is will this work well with a rack not bolted to the floor?
Curious if you know of anyone that has tried to do leg extensions with these?
Why are the trolleys handles knurled but the actual handles are not
What about different handles and other accessories for the arms?
Would be great to simulate a Viking Press and Car Deadlift in a very compact package. Considering unless you fabricate those yourself, you'd spend about the same for both of those (EDIT: And they take a huge amount of space). Definitely a good buy for a Strongman focused gym that's trying to save on space!
2 years in , would you guys say this is a must have in your home gym?
Guys woud this arm fit 3x5 upright ?