WHY WE HUNT
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ธ.ค. 2021
- A look into who we are as hunters and shooters, and why we do what we do.
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"Nobody ever had an existential crisis while stalking deer", How true that is. This video is full of eloquent people, but all inevitably struggle to express the unique and ineffable completeness of being experienced by hunters. I suspect it is actually beyond words, and always has been. The words enable hunters to recognise the experience they share, but without that experience those words can only be partially understood, and those who are repelled by hunting will unthinkingly or wilfully misunderstand and deride them.
Their refusal to empathise aside, we understandably struggle to find the language to convey the spririt within what we do to those who don't hunt, and to those who oppose hunting, wrapping it up in the worthy, tangible externalities of healthy food, wildlife conservation and management, social bonds and general mental and physical wellbeing. All have more value than those who hate hunting in its many forms can bring themselves to recognise, but all come about only because of of the act of self-realisation that lies at the heart of the hunter's experience.
This is why the most unspoiled and diverse natural environments I have ever experienced have all been encountered within hunting preserves, and why land not conserved for hunting is so much more readily lost to development undertaken for commercial or political gain. Hunting provides many livings, but makes no millionaires; while the low-density human populations inherent to land conserved for hunting are at a fundamental disadvantage in the face of the urban and suburban masses, whenever votes are harvested or clicks tallied. In evoking the democratic principle as justification for eradicating hunting, that is, to eradicate a minority culture with deeply-held beliefs and traditions and a generations-old connection to the land, those who persecute hunting betray this very principle.
All this notwithstanding, the repulsion experienced by opponents of hunting is their right, and evidently something they cherish. Consequently, it would be as wrong to deprive them of their bitterness as it is for them to seek to deprive us of our joy. All I would ask is that they respect our joy, and savour their bile, in peace.
This channel is doing an outstanding job promoting clay and game shooting.
The quality of the content you Guys are putting out has increased considerably over the past couple of years. Keep it up Chaps.
Well done Johnny and Co very well put together. It’s such a shame we can’t get a film like this one put out on one of the national tv channels.
Purely in the sprit of the balanced reporting of peoples real feelings on both sides of the discussion.
Brilliant video !! I grew up in a non shooting family . I used to go fishing with my dad but that was it. I’ve been a gamekeeper now for almost 10 years. I think it’s just something deep within a person . That need to get back to the primal way of life
Crazy how we have to explain why we do it. The other half will never know why.
What's crazy is hunting domesticated animals. Fake hunters a lot of them are.
Fantastic film. Just a thought for future films, do you think it might be worth looking at the people who spend hundreds of hours training dogs to assist with the hunting and retrieving of game.
I’m a keen shooter but a keener dog handler and nothing brings me more pleasure than successfully shooting a bird and having my dog retrieve it quickly and efficiently to hand.
I feel if the general public could see the passion that goes into a good dog it could act as a stepping stone to understand the passion that goes into shooting.
Just a thought.
Thank you again and keep up the good work.
Brilliant, very well done. Films like this need to go on tv after countryfile to try and get the message across that we’re all looking after our countryside. Cheers. Happy new year to you all.
This is better content than you'd see on commercial television.
YOU KNOW Jon after watching this program, My 2 daughters who, I understand you have one, have shot grouse in Scotland, pheasant in the South and partridge in Spain along with Reds in the highlands they have grown and it is my hope that you and yours will find a way to find the appreciation that I have. Now understand these girls have all the country in the world to participate in their hearts delight in but annually this is where we come and it is where we delight
Hunting to me, for westerners, is as much an aboriginal right as any other culture in the world. Some call us backward and cruel. They are usually people who never experienced it. I have learned, over many years, to ignore "antis". Their views are not mine, they have ownership of theirs, me mine. We hunt to eat mainly, but the process is also beneficial to mental well being. Excellent video.
Another fantastic video. as a Wildfowler on the Solway I couldn’t agree more with some of the comments in this video, I’ve seen sunsets and sun rises that people would pay to see, these stick in my memory as much as the quarry on the plate. Keep it up fellas
What a fantastic film, well done TGS, I myself fish, shoot game and pigeons and stalk deer, the only pleasure I take in the act of killing is a job well done, cleanly and humanely killed, I am far from religious but creeping quietly through the woods in the half light or sitting beside a lake at first light watching the world and wildlife wake up is something special that so many people never experience and that is such a shame, I couldn't imagine not having all that in my life, I have done these things for 50 years and long may they continue
Just started watching the video. And I can totally relate with it.
Thank you for great content.
This is incredible. I remember seeing you a few years ago at the British shooting show. How far you’ve come is fantastic and you should be properly proud of yourselves and this channel. This was top top quality.
Well done thank you for sharing this. Hopefully they will have more of an understanding now.
These videos are getting better and better, thank you for producing such excellent content and please keep them coming in 2022.
Brilliant, just brilliant. Thank you guys.
this film gave words to my feelings, thank you for that!
Beautiful vid!
Just today I wrote a FB post trying to express the subject of simply “why I love hunting”. And here is your video! Incredible. Greetings from Ukraine and thanks for your work on TH-cam.
Thanks to all at TGS for this content, a very enjoyable way to start the day. I think this would strike a cord with hunters all across the world. Cheers from Queensland, Australia.
Great video. The right way to express what ethical hunting, game conservancy and love for the outdoors is about.
Marc Beinaerts, Turnhout, Belgium.
Fantastic guys. Brilliantly put together.
Great video. The right way to express what ethical hunting, game conservancy and love for the outdoors is about.
Marc Beinaerts, Turnhout, Belgium
Brilliant! We need more of this 👏🏻👏🏻
I had 2 very very emotional back to back experiences ( for me ) in Archery Season & it made me quit hunting. Going on 19 years now, I WOULD REALLY REALLY LOVE TO GO BUT, THOSE 2 BAD EXPERIENCES KILLED IT FOR ME.`
My Dad on the other hand does not get that emotional about animals & still hunts & especially goes fishing & he's 80. He shot a nice 6 point this year with his Cross Bow.
Agreed. So insightful and true.
Another exquisite film. Great soundtrack, scenery and content. Thanks guys
Yes, yes, yes! So good guys, well done TGS!
Great video. Well done to you all keep up the great work.
Stunning facts experience and dedication to the management of the countryside long may it continue.
Norfolk Paul.
That was beautiful.
Happy New Year to all
Very well made, thank you
This was a really great film, its always hard to try and articulate why we hunt, possibly because we cant explain it to ourselves, let alone others, good work everyone involved
Another fantastic film, guys. Well thought out, we’ll explained and lovely to watch. In this modern world, as you say, why can’t people just accept us for what we are and do.
Absolutely fantastic film - well done. It rang so very true with my own experiences and reasons for hunting. Thank you.
One thing that was touched on, but perhaps need emphasizing more is (driven shoots aside), what would happen if we did not hunt and manage the populations of deer/pigeons/other pests/invasive species. While not a prime reason many of us hunt, it is an increasingly important consideration especially as humans encroach more on natural environments.
Brilliant video thank you 🙏
excellent point of view. Every person against hunting should see this video
Well done,well put together.
Brilliant video I've always love catching my own fish it's that understanding of where your food come from and that good feeling you get ofter you catch something I've always wanted to go into shooting but I don't know anyone who's in it are where to start
We're all very similar world wide.
Cheers from the Cariboo region of British Columbia 👍
This is fantastic.
Very eloquently put 👏👏👏
Very informative, thanks.
Excellently produced
Bravo 👏🏻
Beautiful put!
Really good work, 5 stars.
Couldn't of said it better, happy new year to you all
Thank you. We need a word to describe that feeling/connection/responsibility/reverence we're all trying to explain.
It would Make describing it a lot easier
Great short film. I too have an outsized prey drive and I find that only hunting humans for sport can sate it. I understand that other people think it's wrong to hunt, but I just ask that they don't try to stop me from pursuing my passion because they disagree with it personally. The focus, clarity, and euphoria of hunting my prey is hard to put into words. I'm no longer just passing through the city but really participating in it. And ultimately, my harvesting strengthens the human herd and lessens the burden we place on our environments. Thanks to TGS for this beautiful and reasoned defense of my favorite pastime.
This comment is the kind of thing that will get the channel demonitised if it isn't already....
@@Mac-pi4cy i think that is the agenda of this you tubers comment, sad person there's always one
Brilliant!!! I can't express or explain why I do it and enjoy it but I do!! You either get it or you don't. Brilliant comment from the Gentlemen with the high "prey drive" "Please don't try to stop it because YOU don't want to do it!
However on the rare occasions I have taken someone with me who dose not understand why I do it to experience it they loved it.
Fantastic!
great content, shooting and fishing was ever present in my life as I grew up, don't really know any different😁
I love this.
I am a child, and although I’m more of a wild Fowler and game shooter, I know exactly what the first man meant, and he is 100 % correct
Excellent 👍
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I would love this to be shown in British schools. I live in Finland and thank god we do not have the same detachment of what meat is. 5.5 million people and 300,000 registered hunters means that our kids grow up connected to the land. Yes, we buy meat from the store, but I don't think there is a family I know that doesn't also handle locally hunted meat and share the back story. The animal's life and the hunter's journey that brings it to the table is something that our children understand. Thank you TGS.
Growing up in a rural area, by far the biggest reason, was that less financially fortunate families could split a box of 30-06 and afford to put good healthy food on the table. It truly is about survival. The image of the wealthy man shooting for sport has ruined the image of shooting for a lot of people.
Beautiful
Jonny, I'm not a hunter of live animals myself, but I don't object to those who do hunt. In your video 'Why We Hunt' - I think you might just be missing a very important point here to show the general public what hunting is really all about and why it is not in fact as cruel as many people may first think
I think there is a very informative video to be made and broadcast here at some point, where their meat actually comes from that so many people casually take for granted and purchase on a daily basis from the local supermarket. How the mass slaughter house killing of animals differs very much from the single hunting and killing of an animal whilst in its natural habitat and actually how much more humane to the animal hunting is compared to mass slaughter house breeding and killing
Obviously there are people who strongly object to both forms of meat production, their thoughts and feelings should be respected and should be discussed by education rather than confrontation, in my opinion
I'm defiantly no expert in this field, but I'm sure there is an educational video to be made explaining the difference between a hunted and killed animal or bird in its natural habitat vs a bread to be mass slaughtered animal in a 'factory' bread environment. Maybe then the general public might understand a little more how hunting is not quite as cruel and unacceptable as it might first appear?
Just my random thoughts Jonny - have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year
Cheers
Dale
I have wanted to make that film for a while. The problem is that one could not make
It without throwing farmers under a bus. The other issue is that Farming in the country is so damn good that it’s would be hard to say anything they do is what I would consider bad for the animal (with the exception of some styles of chicken farming).
Like a lot of the films I would like to make, and a lot of the things I would like to say and do - I cannot out of respect for my friends
@@tgsoutdoors Hi Jonny, I understand your dilemma here, in the best interest of the hunting community this production would be hugely beneficial, I'm sure of that. So, maybe there's room for a debate in the room, presented by you, for significant representatives of both hunting and animal farming communities - to have a sensible filmed debate together with each other? - that would be an epic debate, something few to date will ever have seen / experienced? I once read an article (sorry I've looked but can't find the specific article) where members of the public were asked where the meat that they regularly eat actually originates - and a large majority answered 'from the supermarket - not even the local butchers shop was mentioned' ! - so many folk are totally detached from the original source of the meat they eat, but then are often very objectional to the hunting community. Enough said?
Well produced, with just superb camerawork. Very well done guys. Suspect you will only be preaching to the converted, but if this just changes a few minds, it’s worthwhile.
Another brilliant piece of work. Does anyone know anyone that could help TGS get this on discovery or similar to help educate the public.
Cheers Jonny and team epic as always
The NGO who commissioned the film are working on it TGS
That's brill news
Being able to hunt and fish and grow your own food is one of the most important skills everyone should know, you’ll never know when it could save your life.
I had my first epiphany 15 years ago. I was out fishing with a good friend. The water was calm, the sun was setting and shimmering a magic golden light over the water. I realised that if anyone called me and said that I had inherited a $100 million I wouldn't have moved. I was so happy and content with where I was and what I was doing. Rich or poor, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.
I'M a townie i love the countryside and wildlife i have never had the privilege of living in the countryside but shooting is something i will always enjoy.
Without shooting the countryside would be a very bleak place.
Well said all may I add it's not the size of the bag it's being in nature last summer I spent an afternoon with one of my oldest friends he is still mourning the loss of his youngest son who died in a freak accident after having served two tours of Afghanistan unscathed at least physically our bag was a huge two pigeons one each but what a day we fired the stove and drank endless cups of tea we chatted and sat quietly listening to the wonderful outdoors a woodpecker sheep and cattle in the distance all in all a day well spent and will look forward to doing it again stay safe and well regards from a 70 year old who has doing this for over 50 years by the way for those who have never eaten pigeon it's delicious
I really enjoyed the video and the subjects spoken about, but what was never talked about, its what the general public think of game Shooting, if you were to do a poll with the general public , I think over 70% would say it a upper class sport, this it what the press print, and all form of social media put across. Its a uphill battle against the media at times
Wish it was more accessible for people, majority of people in these videos were raised with family that hunted.
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I love shooting ..... Do I enjoy killing ? , Enjoy I think is the wrong word for myself.
I take great satisfaction in doing it right , I've been a professional stalker , ghillie and worked on farms .
I've had so many wonderful experiences in the outdoors leading to great memories.
I still work outdoors and as part of my job control grey squirrels and on the piece of ground I look after we've gone from seeing Red squirrels maybe twice a year to seeing them every day , I take great satisfaction in that.
The end part about death is absolutely spot on , it instills a great respect for life .
Got my first shoot 28th
I hope you have a great experience
My grandad made his living from rabbiting got my 12 bore licence at 17 got a 2nd hand baikal choked half and full nothing fancy £120
But did job its in my blood
We’ll done.
Is there anyone in the Hampshire area and slightly further afield, that would introduce me to pigeon shooting?
I had the opportunity to do a game shoot on the 29th, unfortunately I'm at sea and don't return until late January.
Great video - quite emotional element to it.
I’m also in Hampshire and would love the same opportunity to go pigeon shooting. Could be worth starting beating and hopefully people there will take you pigeon shooting as well as beaters day at the end of the season
This is like the Avengers version of the TGS Outdoors universe.
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Its in our blood end of story
Being from the U.S. I haven't seen what the U.K. has to offer in hunting or fishing.
To stalk and bring down a deer is a test of skill and ability. Sitting in a hide up a tree waiting for something to cross your path is not so much of a test. I would say that nature can be manipulated the whole of the UK is an example of how we have manipulated the countryside; hence the deer population issues in the Highlands
My reason is not arty farty I just enjoy it as much as I did over sixty years ago
Paying to hunt is an almost unknown concept here,
“I have an incredibly high Prey drive!” Is his name Shep? Give him a bone 🦴 some one please before he starts chasing squirrels. 🤦♂️
Fantastic, this is the kind of discussion that helps Me feel less shame for liking to hunt , it explains my primal instinct, this is rooted in the human species since man began. Its nearly easier to tell people im having a sex change these days more acceptable, mad world.
Guess Ant never made the cut 😈
Well, we'll all be hunting with 12 ft/lbs air rifles 50 years from now
Impressive video production but where’s the imagery of the actual hunting/killing? Why hide it?
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You are not hunting you are shooters !
I think there are too many of you and we need to get the numbers down.
I'm not a fan of this kind of video because on some level it strikes me as expedient and almost manipulative. Though I understand why it might even be appropriate or necessary to stoop to this level (dramatic music, slow motion camera shots, general attempts to get emotional responses) as it's kind of an overall cultural standard.
Imo, there's a few core points that can land with people:
- If you eat meat at all (as most of us do), you shouldn't have an issue with responsible hunting. The modern disconnect from the meat on our plates and the death of that animal is a more pressing issue of personal morality and character. If you think hunting is just bad and needs to stop, you need to be a vegetarian to be consistent
- We are not outside of nature. We're a natural anomaly, but we're still part of nature. Humanity has been influencing the balance of nature like every other predator since we've existed. The difference is that we can, and have been much more destructive than most other species when we do not think about what we're doing. So we have to think about what we're doing. If we use our abnormal intellect irresponsibly and over hunt, we unbalance our environments. If we just stop hunting, we unbalance our environments.
- We've inherited human managed ecosystems. In places like the UK, humans have to control populations of animals like deer because we've killed off any other predator that can manage that. We cannot stand outside of the ecosystem. We're a core component of many ecosystems. To deal with the irresponsible hunting of past generations, we need to hunt responsibly in the modern day. Though I should add that it's quite understandable why those generations over hunted (concerns over livelihoods, primarily). Also, do most modern people really want wolves to be a common sight around their homes so that they can regulate certain prey animals? That's perhaps an uncomfortable and specific question (to certain prey animals), but I think it's a thought provoking one
Also, for what it's worth; I think that the "traditional clothing" many of you are working with is causing you problems. I'm not going to delve into why exactly, but imo, this guy 2:49 gives you a better image than a bunch of upper class folks surrounded by dogs and dressed like this 13:36 I'm not saying it's right or wrong - it's just the environment that exists. There's definitely a class component to this that needs to be noted. If you bring out the common man as your standard bearer, you're going to get a much better response than if you roll out someone who sounds like their dad's a Lord. The lower classes have been especially disconnected from hunting over the course of the past hundred years or so
At 13:36 I see 2 people in a shirt and tie below an outdoor coat, unless you zoom in to see labels or something, from that distance they could be coats from primark or matalan. If you tried you could look identical to that for around £100. Even if they are expensive, its no different to someone at a gym wearing top sports brands beside someone in cheap running kit. Why would you begrudge someone the ability to buy and wear the clothes they want to
@@robertstewart1464 I'm not really expressing my own feelings here; I felt like I already alluded to that. I'm trying to articulate my sense of what the overall environment is. This style of dress is like a uniform of a subculture that most people do not identify with, or even want to be associated with. I'm saying that if you're trying to change public opinion, give people something relatable.
@@tommeakin1732 mode of dress relates far more to environment and climate than form of uniform.
The class system is the biggest hurdle to over come in the shooting community... The money plebs keep the normal shooters out... Just try to get a permission without money or a lodge bother sorting you out.
Its totally colsed. The rest is BS.
Join a wildfowling club. They're full of peasants like me!
@@nickhorten97 loads of deer in wildfowl shooting
@@royalalloy3471 I see your point! In my defence, you didn't mention that you were discussing stalking.
@@nickhorten97 would love to start wildfowling, I also understand some wildfowling clubs offer rough shooting too so would be great for that too
Nonsense, No one is going to let a stranger wonder around their property with a gun, you have to work at it, the easiest way is if you live in the community, if you went to school with farmers sons or your kids went to school with a gamekeepers kids, go to farmers markets and talk to them get yourself known to be honest and helpful.
Observing - hunting a weird sick difference. Cognitive dissonance and talking codswallop does not justify you - any of you ! If you appreciated nature you wouldn’t kill it. It’s not far more complicated, you’ve just got yourselves a nasty hobby. Could you control this ‘over population in a more humane way’ yes you could but you enjoy hunting so you don’t try and think around it.
It has nothing to do with your conventional hunt, but the fun of popping off. These people clearly lack the compassion for the animals. I find it just awful to kill these wonderful animals.
bS you didn’t even pay attention. Or if you did, you let your own personal feelings overwhelm proper logic and reasoning.
I have listened to some absolute rubbish spoken to try and justify killing. But this tops the lot, hunting is on it's final death throws. And guess what YOU have done it to yourselves. Personally I would have more respect and understanding of individuals if they just admit they just enjoy killing. + of course gamekeepers are trying to hold on to their demising job vacancies.
Unless you're a vegan then it's pure hypocrisy going off to the supermarket to buy a chicken that's been in a shed all its life.
You don't like hunting? Ok cool. No-one cares.
Oh and by the way hunting isn't on its death throws. In fact game food is more popular than ever in the UK.
Paul I personally think your being a little single minded about this.
However i'm not going to try and justify myself to you as a rural country bloke because I strongly belive in speaking your mind and respecting the opinions of others.
We shall see what the future holds
Stay safe
@@dandylion1987 There you go everyone. Just the sort of individual that will inevitably lead to the end/ban on hunting. You claim game food is more popular than ever, Where do you get these figures from and over what time period are you basing your statement? Also of course you claim No one cares. Well guess what I care. In case you have not noticed and that would appear so by your statement, there are an awful lot more people anti hunting that can lobby their M.P than those who are pro hunting. And guess what the majority wins. It's called democracy. So just wake up and think before you make such ill thought out comments.
Politically Paul , you could not be more wrong. For decades the left has infiltrated our institutions, chipping away at our rights of choice and free speech and cancelling its opponents. The most recent manifestation of this is the cult of "woke" which is now being ever more robustly rejected as an outbreak of common sense reverberates through the corridors of power. Your outdated class warrior rantings are recognised for what they are really about, your hatred of people more successful in life than you. Hunting us increasingly recognised as a vital tool in wildlife management and is on the verge of a renaissance. More people " hunt" in the UK than ever before and it is your side that is losing political traction.
@@paulprosser4108 game foods demand was up 8 percent just last year. Cope and seethe all you like but it's you making the unfounded statements.
By the way I hope you don't have leather shoes , or buy meat from a supermarket, or any other animal product. Don't want to be complicit in killing now do we?