Ep. 103 | The Unexplainable Reasons we Hunt
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ธ.ค. 2019
- In this episode, Ryan Muckenhirn says he feels sad for people who live and party in big cities, Mark says “Intimate” an uncomfortable amount of times, and Jimmy talks about cars more than hunting. It’s hard to sum up this interesting podcast where we go deep into the human DNA to try and figure out why it is that we hunt. Mark and Ryan are die hard hunters who want to do and think about nothing other than chasing game (Or picking berries for Ryan, too). Meanwhile, Jimmy enjoys hunting but has his own hard-wired obsession outside the sport. Is it bad to not be a hunting fanatic? Do we live in a much more specialized society today that has weeded out all but the most fanatical hunters? Are some people, regardless of exposure, simply more predisposed to become cold-blooded hunters than others? What are your thoughts after listening to this one? Plenty more left on the table that could be talked about when discussing the human mind!
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My first hunt was age 42. My brother decided he was going to become a prepper and start hunting as well. Long story short he wanted me to go with him. I got my license, he didn't and I ended up going alone. I got out in the bush and almost immediately realized how humbling, centering and almost meditative/spiritual it felt. Trying to come from a city and blend/become a part of nature. Hearing the different animals, snow falling around, observing white tail does react to seeing me in the distance and not knowing what I was. I wasn't successful that year but I came out of the bush changed. It brought me back to my childhood of growing up in northern Canada always being in the bush camping, fishing, hiking etc. I felt a weight lifted. This year, my second year hunting I brought my 12 year old son. Being able to share that with him was amazing. I took 2 white tails this year. I didn't enjoy the killing but everything leading up to and after the shot was a soul touching experience. I feel that experi3nce is how humans are designed to be. It's in our DNA. I had a hard time coming back in to the city this year. It almost felt like walking in to a quarantine zone of electronic distractions and stress caused diseased society. I know I will now be a hunter as long as my body will allow and my son has made the decision to be on the trigger next year. It felt like spiritual medicine to step away and be out with nature. Sorry for the weird rant
That's awesome! Cool that you were able to have that experience and get back to the true basics and things you enjoy. Thanks for listening!
Agreed and what a wonderful post. I also have gotten into hunting late in life. My first actual hunting season was 2020-2021. Now, 2021-2022 is about to start and I am 57 (next birthday is in March.) So, let me tell you, you can keep hunting for as long as you want to do it. I have seen special videos of people with disabilities hunting. I have seen a local news report of an 80-something year old woman hunting. I also enjoy the humbling time in the woods. I am reminded of the words of Ted Nugent, who uses hunting time as a decompression. Out in the woods, he is not a rock star, he is a hunter, getting food for his family, quite literally. He is about 70, by the way, and still performing and touring. And still hunting.
I was enamored with hunting and fishing growing up. My next-door neighbor was an avid fisherman and hunter which is where I think that switch kicked on as a child. Any time he came home from a trip I would watch him clean his harvest and ask probably way too many questions. I never had any opportunities growing up to hunt. I recently retired from the Army and have finally been able to partake now that I am not moving around anymore. I've only been goose hunting, and don’t have a mentor to show me the ropes for deer. For me it's knowing that no matter the circumstances I would be able to provide for my family should the need arise. We live in a good period of time right now where everything we need can be found on a store shelf or dropped off by Amazon to your front step, but there are natural events that may take that away at any given moment and knowing how to provide is paramount when that time comes. I have just recently started listening to the podcast and love it. Keep it up.
For me it was introduction to hunting through the WI gun season by my father. My enjoyment of that time in nature moved me to get a degree in Forestry and Parks/Recreation. Although I have not worked in the field for the past 20 years, I am more passionate about the outdoors than I have ever been. Taking my 1st deer with a bow this fall has further flamed the fire. The pride of hunting and being successful in harvesting can be matched by few things in this life. Whether cutting wood for the cabin stove, planting food plots or mowing trails, all of these items are tied back to hunting and continue to build on the experience and the love of nature itself!
Awesome story! Definitely seems like it's in your blood :) Thanks for sharing and for listening!!
I'm just an outdoors guy in general. When I was really young my mom and dad didn't make a lot of money so hunting fishing and growing our food was a way of life. Now my life revolves around the same things and wouldn't change it for the world . Hunting season starts the boat gets put up and when hunting season ends the boat comes back out. Actually a lot of the hunting still left open after deer season is my main scouting times because I can kill 2 birds with one stone. I'm hunting but also looking for better spots to hunt for the next year. Now I make good money and my parents make good money but we all still live the same exact way except we have better gear guns and vehicles. LOL Great podcast guys!!!
This is my favorite podcast from the vortex nation crew super cerebral and candid. 👏🏼👊🏼
I'm new to hunting at age 35. I like Ryan's point of it being in your DNA. Though I am new to hunting, I have spent 20 years fly fishing in wild places all over the USA. I have wanted to get into hunting for years and have felt that tug for a long long time but I don't come from a family of hunters and getting into it with only TH-cam as your guide is tough. I met a guy that is an experienced hunter that was willing to take me under his wing and guide me a bit to cut down on my learning curve. Can't wait to explore this avenue that I have spent decades dreaming about.
And I have all of ya'll beat. I was able to hunt the first time this last season at the age of 56.
I basically stumbled into hunting in my late 20s because I'm interested in survival skills and had a desire to try something new. Ever since, it has kind of become an off/on hobby largely because of accessibility and uncertainty about what's kosher in new areas. It's definitely nice to get out in nature, but with maybe a handful of local conservation areas, 2-4 hour round trips have a way of cutting into a day trip. I haven't had a ton of luck, either, but I still want to keep at it because it helps to keep you in shape, it gets you away from stressful stuff, and it's a more ethical source of a greater variety of meat than what comes from a grocery store. Not to mention, you never know what you'll find in the woods. Just today, I came across about 3 different mushroom species and saw a sunken boat about 20 yards from shore in the river. Beyond that, while I'm rambling, I'm also curious about a couple of things. You guys may have covered this in another episode, but I keep hearing that using steel shot with a full choke is a bad idea, and I'm still not too sure if the same is true for like bismuth, tungsten, etc.? Also, would anyone be interested in introducing me to either turkey or waterfowl hunting?
I ended up re-watching this and the one thing that stood out to me was when you guys were talking about getting people out hunting that don't know how, but want to. I think that holds a lot of potential or would-be hunters back. It's a big investment...not just the financial aspect, but that's certainly the most tangible part and probably the first roadblock most people encounter. What clothes/gear (camo, baselayer, backpack, etc.) do I need? What tools (bow/gun/knife/etc.) will I need? Then that gets into other things, like binos, rangefinder, scope, etc. Then there is the next roadblock of, where do I go to hunt? Then, if all that works out, and you're lucky enough to get a game animal, what do I do to prepare it for transport home?
I have had the idea and would love to start a service here in Pennsylvania for exactly these people. A guide service that also takes the roadblocks away to get people started. I'd have various sizes of camo outerwear (gotta bring your own base layers and underwear- not going there), but we could offer suggestions based on season/species being hunted. My service would also provide the firearm and we'd have various calibers to choose from, again being able to make suggestions, based on type of hunt (bird, deer, squirrel, etc.)
There's always going to be a financial investment with this type of activity, but if you would go one one of these hunts via my idea and not like it...financial investment terminated and no closet full of camo and firearm/ammo to deal with. If, on the other hand, you love it...now you know what you need and what to do. I always imagined too, that if this existed and the person that booked the hunt had a successful harvest, offer them the opportunity to buy their hunt weapon. Not only do they have a trophy game animal, but they also have an amazing story as to how they started hunting AND the first firearm they ever took a game animal with. I mentioned archery earlier but would probably stick to firearms if I ever did this, only because it would be impossible to teach someone the skill of archery days before a hunt, but can cover firearm safety. I dunno...its just an idea but man I'd love it to be reality...wouldn't even know where to begin with the business model/plan for something like this though.
Excellent, anthropology to zoology, you covered it all with knowledge, personal insight, and wonder, thanks again.
One of the original goals of the Boy Scouts was to get City Boys out into the woods; fieldcraft, hiking, orientation, swimming, canoeing, camping, cooking over flame.
I hunted as a kid with my dad, who really didn't enjoy going but went because I wanted to. Eventually I ended up going with my uncle and cousin because they enjoyed it like I did and it got my dad out of going. For as long as I can remember though, I have always loved being out in nature, discovering whatever is out there...ponds with frogs and tadpoles, mines, rock formations, abandoned buildings/structures, etc. The mystery and intrigue of nature and the past has always fascinated me.
I stopped hunting for years because I went to college and life sort of got in the way...relationships, career, etc. I went back to hunting years ago and haven't looked back. Would I rather fill a tag? Sure...but even if I don't I enjoy being out. The calm and quiet of the dark woods or when it starts snowing and everything around you gets blanketed in white...hard to describe to someone that has never experienced it.
I'd love to work for a company like Vortex, where I could discuss my passion at work...when I do that now most of my coworkers (who don't hunt/shoot/hike) look at me like I'm some kind of weirdo!
Lol it doesn't hurt to work somewhere where you're surrounded by "Weirdo's" ;)
Best podcast you ever did. Thanks.
“The classic fire” omg. Lmao! You guys are the best.
I love the philosophical discussion
Here's a car reference Jim would understand. When I let go of the steering wheel of life it always wanders back to hunting.
I grew up in a major city, hunting was so taboo within my friends and family. Only man years later in my 30s when I moved away into the countryside for a job did I discover hunting. Changed my entire life and perspective forever. I'll do it forever now. I am also a huge car guy and I totally understand the person who never says his name's perspective too 😂🤣
This conversation was so awesomely winding, which displays how much SMARTER hunting makes you want to be, thank hunters for your mind, your welcome
Must be a compliment to to your voices of stories that it took me 23 minutes to remember I don't care about hunting.
47:55 Patience is so key. I was watching IV8888, I think, and they were talking about why a wife or girl friend who has never hunted before often gets one. Because you set her in a blind and she has a rifle and a book. And you say, sit here, read this book. If a deer wanders by, shoot it. And that is what she does. As opposed to guys who know a little too much and get bored after an hour and move or do something besides remaining quiet.
I am new to actual hunting but I have been planning for years and this last season (2020-21) was my first season to rifle hunt whitetail. However, I have fished on and off since 1970, when I was a young boy and our first step-father, a sailor in the Navy, would take us on chartered fishing boats out of Mission Bay, California (I was born in L.A.) I have always liked tasty meat. My grandmother made a Swiss Liver and Onions that I really liked. So, I was not afraid to eat things besides beef. In fact, in Boy Scouts, we learned to eat things that would make a billy goat puke, ignore elements and discomforts...
So, I had friends and co-workers who hunted and they would sometimes give me some of the harvest. Back strap. Chili grind venison. One time, some chili-grind elk. I found a recipe for chili that included chocolate baking powder and that was really good.
I have always admired hunting and as a fan of Ted Nugent, I saw where it could be a popular thing, as well. What struck me in reading his books "God, Guns, and Rock and Roll" and his cookbook "Kill it and Grill it!", is that every time he got a new calendar, he would find and circle the start of gun hunt season in Michigan. And you would not find him on tour or in any studio for most of November. And then, he started hunting the Big Bend area of Texas. And then moved to south Texas, eventually.
I have now collected 4 rifles but I normally take a .308 Win to hunt deer. I have a 5.56 that I can use to hunt feral hog. I have yet to get one, though I did see a doe at one point. I could not take her for several reasons. The public land I was using requires a USFS permit I did not have and she was crossing a public road and I was driving.
There is something romantic about going through the woods and finding that spot you think will work. And then settling down and trying to be as inobtrusive as possible. Make like a tree. To become really quiet. Phone on quiet, no vibrate. Breathe quietly, listen. To become "intimate" with your surroundings.
Most times, I just get exercise, which is good, at my age. I gave up cigarettes a few years ago and only vape and not before going hunting. So, I have reduced my odor profile and saved some breathing capacity, I think. But I have everything with me in a full backpack. Processing kit, gambrel and hoist, 4 bundles of paracord and some 500 pound rope. plastic bags. Compass. license, tags, zip ties. Blaze orange ribbon for marking myself and the trails. Hunting by myself, I have a bluetooth camera shutter button so that I can take the trophy shot, if ever I need to. Water. 2 rolls of tp for the ill-timed need to squat behind a tree.
So, I am prepared to take and skin and quarter a deer. In fact, hunting in overgrown public land, it is not really feasible to drag a deer out of there. Far more sensible to quarter and carry that out. Hunting is something that I am going to do for as long as I am physically able. I like the taste of venison. I like the exercise. I like the activity. I like the focus it gives me in rifle builds and zeroing and practicing. For example, I find it better now to practice with A2 targets, the blue pie plates. Those are the same size as the kill shot zone on a deer. That is, I may use a grid target for sighting in but an A2 to practice, especially off hand.
My wife has put up with my expenditures and interest, it is not so strange to her. As a child, she saw father and brother and other family members go hunting and then hang a deer up in the smoke house.. Her brother shoots competitively as a hobby. She is not really into venison but that is okay, we often eat different things at dinner, whatever suits you or me or her.
Hunting gives me a chance to escape everything. To hunker down in the woods, get really quiet, relax and close my eyes and listen. To see how slowly I can move.
Brand new hunter here age 27. never got any opportunity growing up to hunt didn't know anyone who did. I moved to TN for the outdoors, every guy i met hunted. I wanted to learn how to provide food if i had to and I felt it is important to embrace the local culture. I started small with squirrels hunting (which I LOVE) to get my feet wet and am excited to learn deer next season.
Fun. That’s why I hunt. As a teen I hunted 6 times or so, and killed 1 pheasant and 2 rabbits. As a young adult, I became a pastor, which I loved, and worked very hard at a very serious profession, and began to burn out at age 28. I needed something in my life that was just fun, and not serious. I started hunting, and never looked back. I’m 67 now, retired as a pastor, and still spend +/- 375 hours a year hunting. It’s just so much fun.
Best topic of all time! Really enjoyed this one. I.e classic 🔥
The urge to become a hunter or woodsman is passed on from our fathers and their fathers. Once my pool gets closed in early September, everything else takes a back seat. No one in my family hunted, I had that urge since 6 years old. Living in Jersey City New Jersey I was exposed to hunting by some neighbors. Never looked back
Just watched episode 103. Best one I've seen.
I never grew up hunting and finally my girlfriend (at the time) her father fished. so i went along with him and got the bug. absolutely loved fishing for the target and taking your harvest home and cooking it up and it always tasted better. When we where out fishing we would see deer and turkey and i would always think, well i wonder what that taste like..... so i went and got my license and tags and went on a journey to figure it out, and now years later i will NOT miss out on an opportunity to go sit and get after them gobblers or hangout in a stand for muleys. its the time of peace and literally talking with nature and i wouldnt trade it for anything.
15:05 I keep adding stuff. Hunting out of the Supra. Makes me feel not so bad. I used to have a pick up truck. Then I traded in for a Pontiac Bibe, which was very economical. Then a Corolla, then a newer Corolla. And that is what I am hunting out of. I fold the seats down. I have a 56 quart cooler and we have a large ice machine at work and I fill that up. If I do get a deer, I will skin and quarter where he drops and carry out in my backpack and then start packing the cooler. Except for opening weekend and Thanksgiving weekend. On those times, where I hunt, you have to take the entire deer, intact, to a deer check station for samples and herd health. So, I have a deer sled for that. But they also have a rack to hang the gambrel from so you can field dress, skin and quarter.
That being said, my next vehicle might be a small truck that holds a regular whitetail buck.
I saw a video of a couple of guys who got a deer and managed to get him into the trunk of an '82 Monte Carlo.
The woods are calling
Just finished watching this, personally hunter my entire life, definitely spent more time with other hobbies specifically cars, but when my son was born I decided that I was going to spend more time hunting to ensure that I teach him to hunt.
I found shell casings, an afro pick and vintage 1985 playboy magazine in my 1990 supra in VA. That car wouldn't raise an eyebrow in the supra world.
What you are witnessing now, is in fact an INCREDIBLE change in human behaviour. It was not very long ago that we had some form of a hunter in the family. For millennia, we survived because of hunting, modern distractions may be fun, but if push comes to shove we will revert back to our savage genetics. Those that can't will fail. I see today's society as more or less "Fat and useless" I mean what the hell is a consultant? And why does he have a $300,000 car and a $5mill house? I don't get some professions, bloody lawyers extort money from people who get sued through no fault of their own. All sorts of scamming going on everywhere. Human behaviour has evolved for so long, we simply can't take the thrill of the chase out of humans. When you see a ball fly past, you are instantly drawn to it and want to chase it, it's the same with game animals.
With the advent of broad scale farming we can now facilitate the caring and or the scamming of the useless and cunning. Also we have now developed some weird need to look after scumbags of all kinds, criminal thieves, kiddy fiddlers, rapists, murderers etc. In years gone by these scumbags would have been hung or chopped to death with a sword. Now we spend enormous sums to house them, counsel them and provide funding for them to get back into the community and breed. Then their mutant offspring get funding to basically stay out of trouble, but they don't, and the cycle repeats.
Long gone are the days where if you don't pull your weight you die.
I'll have to tell you the story of me hunting Goanna's with a hatchet when I was 7 some time, fingers tired now. Cheers mate, Mark from Oz.
This is how I feel about fishing. I don't hunt but are leading into coyote hunting to start.
driven a manual since before I was legally able to and driven them for fifty years almost and dont understand only driving autos. I had a supra similar here in Australia manual coupe. now have three manuals Two modded Subarus and a Mitsubishi triton 4wd dual ca diesel.
My thing is reloading my goal is to create the perfect ammo and what ties into that is the firearms that project said bullets that I cast ( rifle & pistol ) …….. now think about this for a second and try to put this into perspective. There’s people in the country that absolutely hate what I truly enjoy doing. And those same people want to do nothing else but take that away from me.
Oh Jimmy...I know the feeling...as much as I enjoy hunting and shooting I too have the car bug...lol.
Raced a prelude for years and have built a few mustangs and camaros in my time. I want to build an off-road/overlanding truck at some point.
Once you got it - it doesn't go away! Preludes are sweet. Did you have a 4WS model or anything crazy like that? We did a little overland build here as one of our podventures "Cruisin' for Coues" where we fully rebuilt a Subaru Forester we got on the cheap off Ebay. Also have another little something up our sleeves from the JDM market that will be used very soon :) Thanks for tuning in to the podcast!
@@VortexNation I had a 2000 type SH so no 4sw, but it did have the torque vectoring. I swapped the stock H22 out for a Japanese built turbo/intercooled motor. It was a fun car...I miss it but it was replaced by a 2004 Mustang GT that I upgraded with a supercharger and better trans & susp parts. I like imports but hard to beat the sound of a supercharger V8.
I haven't had time to watch that episode yet but definitely will. My wife has a newer forester and I'm looking to replace my mitsubishi with a subaru once I put enough miles on it to expire the extended warranty. I drive a lot for my job so can't really have a "fun" vehicle anymore. We have a Triumph Bonneville T120 Black so that's the fun vehicle nowadays...when it's not cold and/or raining in Pennsylvania.
@@scotteger6271 That’s awesome! Sounds like a rip snortin’ good time :) Always good to chat to another automotive enthusiast! Thanks again for tuning in and have a great week!!
@@VortexNation have a great week too. Looking forward to Vortex Nation 2021!
More thoughts I had. Someone I know had a lease for a while. And that was about 4k. Then he bought and set up an auto-feeder. And then fencing because there is cattle on the lease and you want to keep them out of that area. And the gas and manpower to drive down there (6 hours each way.) He reckoned he spent about 8 grand for a chance to get a deer. Average deer here yields about 40 pounds of edible meat. That is $200 per pound of meat. I won't pay $4 per pound for a beef brisket. I will wait for a sale at 2 dollars a pound. I might feel like 16 dollars for a pound of bison. Which is way cheaper, really, than if I was to be able to hunt bison.
That being said, I hunt public property, so that expense is down. But still, there are easier ways to get 40 pounds of meat. But are they as fun and do they involve shooting rifles?
“Have to” is always subjective. I can get all of my caloric needs met with groceries, if I don’t mind paying hyperinflated prices for smaller and smaller packages. Having enough cash money to pay for other necessities is a very important aspect of survival, and having a surplus of food from hunting and fishing helps ease the budget.
More importantly it gives me something to do out in Gods creation, where males are still male and visa versa. After a traumatic episode two years ago I lost all interest in my other hobbies but needed to fill my time. Once I realized that I can go out and get game and fish all by myself, there was no turning back. The solitude is very therapeutic.
I don’t think we were meant to live completely detached from nature the way we do in the first world.
I'm 61 and been hunting for 45 years, Dad was in the military and retired we moved from the big city to the county side , l was 15 my grandfather was a guide for big time hunters felt it in my heart, went out in the woods and have love it every since ,was in my 20s before I really figured out how to kill a deer ,long story short I've killed over 40 deer moose bear ,and I'm more attracted to whitetail hunting actually obsessed and a passion,And love your show because I love shooting to,like I said my father was a big time military man ,I learned to shoot as a kid in a in door range at 10 years of age ,all I think about is the next season
Authentic not low quality;)
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You can buy food today at the grocery store. What about tomorrow ? You should be raising your own meat on top of hunting and buy the things you want periodically from the grocery store.
The only thing I like about hunting is the meat. Which is easy to get, cause you guys give it away!
And these guys are right. I will see saw over a package meat that differs by a few dollars from what I paid before. I have spent a few grand on rifle and accessories and hunting gear to hopefully get 40 pounds of meat. Going to the store is climate controlled, I don't have to get up early, and I don't have to climb over fallen trees with a 10 pound rifle in hand, wearing a backpack. But there is something about the pursuit that makes it worth it. I know I have always preferred eating fish that I caught over what I could buy in a store.
Why tf are you carrying a 14lb rifle?
That sounds better better than filling your stock with lead.
Manhood is in decline half the problems with today’s society fewer dads in the home to teach hunting and out door activities now it’s basement video games
If you draw another one of those NW SD muley tags again let a guy know. I'll get you guys on a hammer
Ryan is the Jordan Peterson of firearms.
If you were wrenching as a career you may not like it so much. Trust me lol
I only hunt coyotes, As a infantry marine veteran I feel like it keeps my skills sharpened if the time ever comes to hunt the most dangerous animal. Property for deer hunting in nw Indiana is hard to find but easy to gain permission for coyotes. I think man in general has a dark urge, ( a shadow if you will- Carl Jung) to hunt and kill.
Ocbd compulsion is a biological response to sexual frustration.
Lol what is ocbd?
@@p.p.8624 obssesive compulsion behavior disorder.
If he wants a hunt for impatient people who wanna be on the move. Take him coonhunting.
Unexplainable? Its the most basic of human needs, we hunt to eat. Theres no mystery to it