Something I've heard is that if everyone on a talk show agrees with each other, it creates a weird atmosphere. Dom and LS agree with each other on most topics, so it forces dGon to be the contrarian in most cases. This makes him come off as a Riot apologist or someone who defends the bad players but really he is just providing the devil's advocate take that is needed for the show.
Yeah he is doing his job as a moderator where he gives the popular takes so LS and Dom have something to disagree with. I hope noone is giving him shit for his takes. Hes just a good moderator
Makes sense but it's also pointless to disagree for the sake of it. It's better to have the hosts be as objective as possible, and if that means they always agree then so be it. Just my view tho
@@angusngg You make a fair point, but I rarely feel like Dgon just disagrees for the sake of it. Often he represents the popular opinion on social media, Caster's opinions or Riot's opinion. I think it's great to contextualise what Dom and LS are talking about. He tries to come up with a counter argument which is then defused by LS or Dom, which is way better than just letting them air their opinions unchallenged. It makes the stuff they say more legitimate if Dgon confronts them with a popular counter argument and they can explain why it's wrong or why they disagree.
@@Doodoofart725 Yeah, especially if you compare it to League Nightmares by LS and Nemesis. They agree on everything they say and it gives their podcast a weird dynamic
When Dom opens with "so I guess you weren't watching any CLG games" and LS just sighs, smiles and nods his head. That was the LCS viewer experience encapsulated.
Dom has 0 idea what hes talking about when he said mj didnt cry to the refs. You’ve never seen him play except for the last dance. He cried to refs nonstop. All stars do
Correct. Maybe not as much as today but it was still a lot back then. The bigeset difference today is the physicality of the game is a bot softer now due to rules changes. And, LeBron is at least the second best of all time and a contender for GOAT,
Taking away his pudding is the only punishment i can think of that would actually be the correct level of punishment he deserves. A full week of no pudding is pushing it though. 2 pudding-less nights would send the appropriate message
The Palafox comparison with Faker and Nemesis is interesting. It basically says that the way in which you climb soloQ is important, and the champs you use and everything else. Makes me want to analize more how other pro players climb to see who is honest and who is dishonet and not just think that because a certain player is high lp, he is going to perform better in LCS. Very nice
Its abit like the 1 trick pony that get super high elo, but only play that 1 thing. That player might be good but it might also just be a case of "ban that 1 champ" and he is worthless.
Pretty weird take from LS. When your surroundings are not being "honest" (silly word for it) its pretty meaningless if you are. Palafox is just playing solo q as its played, there is no benefit for Faker and Nemesis to set their team back by not adjusting to the unwritten rules. Imagine playing football in the park and sticking to a position like a coach assigned you to it. You won't learn anything because the other players are not giving you the space you would have to address if you were playing in a professional setting.
@@klauswolfbert if the only practice that football players got was playing in the park then they would DEFINITELY stick to positions play systematically
@@baraenbojassen6611 I mean at that point it gets hard to compare. In football people who want to get more serious would get into local clubs and then start their potential journey from there. Guess the lowest entry point league had in that regard was ranked 5v5 teams, but obviously that was removed. Still feels like playing in any present system like academy is a way better display of your ability to play in a professional setting than playing "honest" in solo q. I do agree that the options of practice are limited for a large amount of the league player base, but both Faker and Nemesis have/had the opportunity to access these systems.
There's something satisfying about watching LS and Dom talk shit about the game while also providing good analysis and discussion and seeing Dgon's reactions to everything. This podcast is awesome please keep doing it.
imo his biggest "problem" is that he get tired of saying the same thing. So when people come to his stream and he just go "xx champ is bad here" without anymore explanation, they think he is stupid. They forget that he already did the full explanation 5 times that week ^^
@@GreenLarsen I don't remember who said it about LS, maybe it was Caedrel, but it would help a ton if he just made 10-20 minute video going over his arguments in a youtube video. Like, on one hand, sure, I agree it's super tiring having to repeat yourself dozens of times every day, but on the other, you have extremely controversial takes and when people are first exposed to them and they don't get a quality explanation for your views, it makes you come off as contrarian for the fuck of it. Which is likely part of the reason why Caedrel said some of what he said about LS. As a side note, I also just wish he would put more effort into explaining why he thinks a champion is good or bad, even when he does go at length on the topic. Yesterday I popped into his stream and he was in the middle of explaining to a guy in twitch chat why Kaisa is bad and the arguments are just so vague and non-sensical. "Kai'sa is heavy." What the fuck is heavy, that doesn't mean anything? "Give Ezreal 10k gold and give Kaisa 10k gold, there's a big difference there." Paraphrasing that a bit, but he's basically saying Kaisa doesn't do as much with gold as Ezreal does, which is also just incomprehensible to me. One of her supposed weaknesses are that she's only really good if she's ahead, so gold is obviously really good on her, as she's not a utility adc. Not to mention that Ezreal is inherently a less consistent ADC, simply because he relies on hitting skillshot, virtually 95% of the time to be able to do any damage. No matter how good you are at the game, you're gonna have off-games, unlucky games and Ezreal would be an unreliable champion in situations like that. If you're simply stating Ezreal is a better adc, even if that is the case, that does not make Kaisa bad. You're not a bad champion because this other champion in your role might be better spot than you are a point in time. This type of stuff is mostly what I have a problem with, because even if he's not being contrarian for the sake of it, I know for a fact he overuses hyperbole when talking about whether a champ or team comp is bad/good, and it's just frustrating sometimes. The Karma explanation was good, more like that please.
@@stark8837 He said he won't do it, since the game is ever changing. People will still find a way to break is balls over months olds videos on champions, they already do that on takes that are months if not years old.
Yeah because Palafox playing Sylas and roaming to fights in soloq is nowhere close to as honest as Nemesis spamming Tryndamere mid. Honestly this guy is just the best bullshitter.
Speculation Comment: Alphari got "forced" onto the Lee Sin to cover for Jensen or Santorin's to pick a favorable matchup and both of those kinda flubbed the early game. It's hard because Player Cam is always rotating (no Pro View) but I didn't see Alphari even speaking for the last 5+min of the game and he didn't say anything to the teammates while on stage packing up after the loss. Santorin straight trolled the Volibear build in Game 1, they needed him to be a Frontline and not Mixed Damage (Divine Sunderer and Zhonyas). He was so far behind in the early game to the Rumble that they couldn't contest a single objective because Rumble always wins that 1v1 trade, since his DoT abilities will continue after the Voli stun and he doesn't have the total DMG output to match Rumble. Alphari on Q Flash kick was one of the few engage options left; he hits the one kicking TSMs player into the Raptor pit and Santorin flashed the wall to steal the kill while he has Ultimate available to get over the jungle wall as well. Wasting flash is pretty grief and I think Alphari blew up on Jatt/Kold (commenters on post literally think Head Coach and Assistant Coach never speak together on how the team should play or draft??? 2IQ.) and Santorin for the Draft+Execution post-game and Jatt+Mgmt probably thought it was out of line.
With CoreJJ on Karma, him and Ez get to poke bully the lane. It didn't go perfectly but they left lane ahead. After lane, Karma is now the assist on engage, which should be good with Voli speed and Jump from Ultimate, but if he has no survivability stats you rush the Voli into death again and again. So TL is forced back into relying on Tactical Ezreal Poke, which Lee and Voli are absolute shit in a poke comp. ALPHARI A VICTIM OF SOFT LCS MENTAL. Dude clearly has a desire for success and the ability to match. Excessive flame? Or maybe just a clear eyed view at what shit he was given Game 1.
My personal guess: Alphari said or implied that Jatt is ass at drafting and had no understanding of the connection between players' strengths and team style. Under Jatt what is TL's identity? Please tell me because the closest I can come to is 'poor man's Korea'. Probably Alphari challenged Jatt about drafts in playoffs and stuff he said in meetings and that's where the 'brewing for a while' in interviews comes from. Turns out Jatt doesn't handle the truth well. In spite of all the double non-speak Jatt does under his leadership TL still doesn't have an identity.
@@abirmahmud2242 but that’s like not how it goes in any other region lol. Alphari doesnt murder enemy top and 1v9 the whole game in less than 20 minutes against Golden Guardians. Mad Lions doesn’t crush Vitality like that. Even Damwon doesn’t decimate Fredit Brion in that fashion(in fact they lost a series to them in spring).
I hate making comments like this, but this was like actually maybe my favorite episode of facecheck. I REALLY enjoy watching all of these, there are none where I'm like, that wasn't enjoyable. But this was just a SUPER relatable, enjoyable piece and I thought it'd be sick to let you guys know that if you see this. This type of content is really enjoyable, because I feel like it pandered a lot towards the community that wants to understand the esport scene I guess in league of legends specifically, on a more fundamental level, rather than just all the news of stuff going on, where it's drama reliant for content. This is just super solid and like, logistical points I can't describe it. But this was easily one of my more enjoyed episodes, thanks!
100% agree. I have never been on reddit, but when i hear about it on shows like this, i wonder how anyone goes there for any reason. Imagine 1000 people agreeing with some dipshit that wants to bench Perkz. Oh yeah, punish your best player for a bad game...that is some brilliance that only reddit could come up with
Dom's take on Lebron was SO CRINGE. Does he not realize that he's contradicting himself with his Perkz argument. Lebron also just won the championship last year and lost in the playoffs due to his 2nd best player getting injured. Yet he calls him out and questions "what he brings on the court."
@@jonathanlafleur1826 And you are exactly proving my point. Just because he has one bad series at 36 years old with his 2nd best player out means that he is not one of the best to ever do it? So then, if we use your logic, then we should hold Perkz to that same standard since he had a terrible showing at MSI and had an abysmal 1st week of LCS.
@@jonathanlafleur1826 Okay. Then let's hold other GOATs to that attitude. Michael Jordan shouldn't be punching teammates out of frustration. That's legit assault. Kobe Bryant shouldn't have quit on his team in game 7 vs the Suns during the 06 playoffs. So let's not try and nitpick things to fit your narrative shall we?
I'm more okay with it this time since spring split points didn't matter and it's only one large split. It's kind of a way to truly make sure only the best teams survive, and if one of them some how have a freak accident of going all the way they deserve it.
This season I think Perkz’s value will come to light. In the spring he reminded me of Bjerg. Great domestically but couldn’t match up against the international S tier mid laners. Hopefully in the Summer he shows that he’s worth the money.
Great stream! Always love the insight from the cast. When and where does LS and Dom stream. Would love to get more into the LPL and LCK co streams to help improve my game
Ir is tricky with the time zones, your best bet is to look at the schedule on their Twitch and you'll get the date for your timezone. You can also ask twitch to message you when they start streaming, the message on your phone saves the time when they start streaming.
When a flair player tries to do a hero/desperation play they will always looks worse than a standard player in traditional sport. Same thing here in eSports but the LoL community being so young and sport illiterate they don’t know that Perkz is just trying to make something happen and if Perkz was a soccer player the fans wouldn’t demand him being dropped from the team for failing desperation plays.
i dont understand ppl hting on perkz, yea he ints sometimes but even when he does he tries to win he tries to come into the fight from unexpected angles, he catches waves better than anyone else and it seems like everything but playoff is just training for playoffs for him.
I am super disappointed in Perkz' play so far this year. He has played well under his LEC levels so far. He did well in playoffs, but MSI was hard to watch. I have never seen him be outclassed so consistsntly. But...he is having some growing pains, or a slump...he is clearly taking it seriously, trying to turn it around...he isn't laughing at playing poorly or stealing a paycheck. He is doing everything you could ask to turn it around and get back into form
Talking about the tweets at 50ish minutes. LS thinking that this is an esports problem is funny. This is in all sports. If u don't win, then it doesnt matter how good you are. Every sport or esport is about winning. This is just going to make results based thinking around forever. That is sports culture and esports is a part of that.
Remember, Dom can ask about guests if anyone, Dgon, may be interested in such a sleep schedule...and some world class League of Legends with some world class casting!
Yo did I just miss it or did they not talk about the tsm deal at all cause I would've loved to hear doms and ls thoughts on how this could shape the esports scene and the future of the LCS
They did not, it was in the list of topics, but once they finished the benching discussion, they immediately moved to discussing the teams, all but TSM, it was weird...
I like dom but his LeBron take is pree bad, esp about LeBron defensive effort considering Lakers have best defence in NBA by a large margin, but he does cry to the refs, which you can not appreciate as a play style, but to say he's not worthy just because of that, to me given his body of work, the teams he has carried through the playoffs, the performances, the "eye test", stats, numerous players and coaches accounts of his incredibly high (a lot believe highest ever) basketball IQ, is a little ridiculous. Maybe you have Jordan as your goat, that's fair, but he's not even in the convo? I donno man... The main LCS topics super accurate tho.
Agreed. At least they play different comps and can have interesting games sometimes. Sure it sometimes swings the other way, but it’s a lot more fun than the rest of the lower half imo.
@@josipkau8851 ok so he’s not better than Jordan. But how can you argue that he’s not ONE of the greatest players of all time? Anyone that doesn’t think that of Lebron is just lying to themselves. You don’t have to like Lebron but at least be objective when evaluating the greatest players to ever play.
@@josipkau8851 Dom literally said Lebron is not a GOAT. the “a” implies that there is more than one of. Also, Dom said that he doesn’t understand how people have Lebron higher than “players” like Jordan. If Dom said that Lebron is not THE GOAT, then that’s fine although his reasons for it are flawed but the way he said it (“not a GOAT”) implies that he doesn’t think Lebron is one of the GOATs
@@joeshoe1624 Depends on how tired/exhausted I am and the time of night for how long it takes to sleep. Utterly mentally exhausted, I fall asleep in under 5 min. Normal day, 15ish min. I make it to 3am or am full of energy, then it takes me 20+ min. I thought that would be relatively normal.
@@jasonchen4807 Could have something to do with his screen time and poor habits while in the pro-scene. Trained his body/brain in a way that will take a long while to undo. I am not an authority on this or anything. But those can just lead to issues with insomnia.
@@jasonchen4807 it takes me 1 hour when i have been doing nothing but sitting at my pc all day. been going to college ~ 5 to 15 min and been exercising all day like 5 min
Dom is my favorite league analyst but damn his basketball knowledge is lacking if he thinks Lebron is not one of the GOATs or at least top 2-3 all time. His reasons lack a lot of context and kinda show he hasn’t watched Lebron or the NBA in a long time. His reasons were Lebron gives no defensive effort, complains to the refs and walks on the court. The no defense part is so disingenuous because Lebron for so many years has had to carry the offense of his teams to such a degree that he can’t afford to exert himself on defense to the extent he could such as in 2013. Actually since Anthony Davis has arrived in LA, Lebron’s defense has been exceptional now that he has someone that can help shoulder the offense. Walking on the court makes sense if you actually watch the games because his teams can’t function with him off the court. Look at 2018 Lebron for example, he DRAGGED that team to the finals but he had to conserve himself when he’s on the court at times so he’s not completely worn down when they need him the most which means he can’t play every possession with the same intensity of someone like Russell Westbrook who has shown that he wears down as the playoffs come around. Lastly, the complaining to the refs part is something literally every player in the NBA does and if that’s the main argument for Jordan over Lebron, then it’s not a very powerful stance. He doesn’t have to think Lebron is better than Jordan, but the reasons he gave were very weak and easily broken apart.
This is why it's such a toxic conversation to have with anyone. What Dom values in his goat status is his choice. By stating he's wrong because you value other things is pointless.
@@jonlane6527 it wasn’t my intention to be toxic and ofc it is his choice but the reasons he had for it are just disingenuous. Its like the whole Phreak Rumble discussion. Phreak was analyzing essentially just winrates across elos but they don’t have context of why rumble is “bad”. Dom broke it down perfectly in his Phreaky with Data video and it provided a lot of clarity and perspective. And it’s not that Phreak can’t say Rumble is bad it’s just the reasons he said he was bad are very weak, like Dom saying Lebron isn’t one of the greatest of all time.
To Dom’s point at 25mins about more popular players getting more hate and that not being right, I think it’s more the overpaid players get more hate. These orgs keep saying they are making no money from the league yet they spend insane amounts of money on these players who aren’t worth those sums of money. I think the community is fed up with that and criticises the players more because of the stupid amounts of cash they make for what is a pretty cushty job when they perform that badly. It’s the same in other traditional sports.
^ yes and also why do lcs fans even give af about who gets paid what it’s so insane. It’s not your money and you don’t have to pay to watch either. The reason football fans care about transfers is because they pay active membership and season tickets worth sometimes hundreds of dollars. These fans are actual shareholders while lcs fans are just whiny bitches that wanna complain about EU players because they can’t produce their own. We should be glad most players going to NA don’t underperform or this problem would be way worse
Yeah that’s my point Omar, people aren’t going to flame bottom tier rookies as much because they don’t expect them to perform that well AND they know they aren’t on $1+ million contracts. I think people are just fed up of the amount these guys get paid when they consistently underperform at international events and it looks like many of them are just in it for the payday. Lots of people don’t even watch the league anymore because the element of people playing for the love of the game and the competition has disappeared since owners started dropping stupid amounts of money into player contracts. I think fans are getting sick fed up of this idea that tanking stupid amounts of cash will solve all of the region’s issues, but unfortunately that is very much the American way of doing things I suppose. I’m not expecting everyone to agree, just offering an opinion that myself and another group of people have.
@@baraenbojassen6611 the point about it not being their money is fair. Lots of people want to see longevity in the scene though so they can stay invested in the pro league. If team owners are moaning they aren’t making money but spend huge amounts of money on players and I’m a fan who wants to see the league continue for a long time then I may very well be pissed off by that because I’m invested in another way apart from financially.
I don't know why lcs fans are crying about Perkz, we cheated again and stole another amazing LEC player. What player will be good enough for everyone or is it just his pricetag? How did we keep all our other imports for so long that they became residents? Who cares how much they make, keep the league competitive and give me fun games to watch.
Normally, I think LS and Dom have pretty solid takes, but they both spouted off on something they have NO IDEA ABOUT that I had to stop the video, and I'm not going to complete it. LS going off on "oh, orgs don't pay attention to fit" is a garbage take. Other businesses which see a direct connection from hiring people to money coming in still have a difficult time in hiring the right people. Why does he think it's just a matter of paying attention to fit and hey, it just magically works! And keep in mind this is the LS who couldn't manage his players well enough to be a competitive CK team. If LS shows that he can competently manage multiple personalities into a cohesive whole that is successful, then, maybe his "just pay attention to fit and it works" will actually be something we can keep in mind. My take is the these orgs DO pay attention to fit (e.g., less Koreans, more Europeans), but that it's difficult to balance these issues with people who WANT to come to NA AND having the skills to compete at a high level at League AND also have the "perfect fit" with the team. But according to LS's take, it's just as simple as "Orgs need to pay attention to fit" and then it'll be simple. That's just elementary level thinking when the world is more complex than that. And Dom talking about the likely best OR 2nd best player in ALL OF BASKETBALL ALL TIME and acting like Perkz even compares, when Perkz can't even necessarily be the undisputed best WESTERN player of all time and has NEVER won a World Championship. Well, that made me stop listening. LS is great at breaking down mechanics and drafting, but he knows next to nothing when it comes to how to handle fit of personalities in an organization. Dom is usually good at giving takes on League ideas and team strengths, but his ignorance of basketball is showing through in his critique of Lebron in that he's "NOT the GOAT" and therefore, he's not "big enough" so his hate isn't even comparable to the hate that Perkz is getting is mind-blowing. I don't watch Facecheck for garbage takes in areas where these people have NO EXPERTISE or even knowledge. Stick with what you DO have experience and expertise in, and when you tackle subjects outside your expertise, be humble in your lack of knowledge of how "easy" things are.
Im not gonna lie dom ive been down for hearing you out on any take you got on this show, but i cant stand here and hear you slander lebron like this, you let me down
more flame to SA who did good 1st week, i mean he is the main caller in TSM, its make big diff if you bring up no experience academy player to sub him out.
Santorin griefed on the volibear games. He frankly should have went full tank voli with probably chemtank first game and frozen gauntlet second game. They needed solid direct engage that Lee Sin usually can't provide, and by going divine sunderer Santorin was too squishy to do that. There were multiple fights in both games where he would have normally survived long enough for his team to follow up had he went a tank build.
Fans just wanna feel justified in the idea that its not a talent/mentality/cultural problem, but that it is entirely on the NA development system. LCS teams are honestly doing plenty compared to some LEC teams to develop talent (I love G2, but I dont remember the last time they properly tried to develop talent). They just have very little to work with, and the odds of ever getting a top player out of their development are abysmal.
LS is almost certainly correct about investors. People that have millions of dollars to invest in something as speculative as an esport are grown up and intelligent enough to know that these petty, marshmallow-soft "leaders" of the teams are going to run these teams into the ground if they are left to their own devices. That's why you are going to see Jatt put Alphari back in, or you'll see Jatt leaving Team Liquid soon. I am blown away Steve would have let Jatt bench him in the first place, but he most definitely won't let it stay this way. If Alphari did something so bad it was worth being indefinitely suspended, he did something bad enough to be fired. The fact they didn't release him tells us that it wasn't that big of a deal to warrant benching the 2nd best player in the LCS. It feels like Jatt wanted to teach Alphari a lesson, and did not plan ahead for what might happen if Alphari didn't put his head down and apologize. He didn't plan for Alphari standing his ground, and now he put himself in a position he can't win. Benching the best player of spring split is indefensible if he tries to run it longer than week 1. 99% chance Alphari starts this weekend. 1% chance Jatt sticks to his guns, in which case he will be the one that gets let go. Jatt was a great caster/analyst, he should probably be doing what he's best at anyway
@@dgon4997 Specific week seems to imply that we aren't necessarily seeing that analysis in real time. Is there anybody without access to Pro View on Game Day?
I am sorry i consider myself very smart. I mean i watch Facecheck after all :) I listen to Dom and LS all the time but i couldn't understand what LS was talking about Faker playing honest. So is he just playing to win lane is that what he meant? I have no clue and its killing me. Dgon translate this please!
I think he's basically saying that Faker doesn't take gambles, go for high variance plays or in any other way take advantage of the chaotic and uncoordinated environment of soloq. Instead he plays soloq the exact same way he would inside of a competitive/professional game, he doesn't assume that the enemy is going to make mistakes and/or play carelessly.
Honest gameplay (based on my understanding) is playing in a way where you treat everyone to play perfectly based on what their team comp is or what the match up is. It's assuming they won't make any mistakes. But in soloq you can play a champion that you one trick and beat another champion which is suppose to win the match-up. It's either because they are just not good, made a random mistake, or some random team fight happened that made them lose the lane to you. That's dishonest because you can't expect those mistakes to happen every game let alone pro play.
Honestly, I'm surprised Karma / Morgana aren't perma pick/ban given how flexible and generically useful they are. I guess it's cause not enough of the players play / want to play them to draft them that way.
Regarding Perkz, there is some overreaction but this isn't out of the blue, he's been lackluster for most of the split and only played up to expectations in a few games, and completely tanked at MSI and is continuing to play sub-par at the start of this split. All this effort by Dom to defend Perkz rather than giving him some due criticism goes to show what happens when you've aligned yourself with an org and are no longer willing to speak candidly the way you would about players from other teams.
I don’t think it’s c9 tbh, he’s always been a perkz defender. It’s nothing new. I’ll always defend perkz solely on his clutch factor. Historically he has stepped up after slumps. I’m also a huge perkz fanboy, so take that with a grain of salt
@@Awe391 they paid for Playoff Perkz. That's really the one that matters. By the end of the split he'll still be the best mid laner and he'll smurf in the playoffs.
Someone please explain why people play Nidalee instead of Lilla or Rumble or Morgan. These champions do same better than Nidalee and can provide the team with reliable CC and utility. Am I missing something here? ☹️
@@jeyserreacts3444 May; be but its high risk with decent reword. but with morg we get binding and black shield. I think this is better than entire Nidalee kit combined . And if u, and its a big if, fall behind on morg u still have relevance. But for Nidalee she is useless.
As someone who watched MJ dom really doesn’t know shit about basketball I do think MJ is the goat but to downplay lebron like that and say he isn’t even in the conversation for being a goat is insane especially with the crying to the refs argument as your debating point
Okay, Dom doesn't know anything about basketball. LeBron is definitely the second-best player of all time. There is only one better to ever do it. Regardless of the whiny shit LeBron does his stats speak for themselves.
Like I know Dom hates TSM, but how does he say "Swordart joined the championship team" in comparison to performance with Perkz where only 1 player from that TSM roster is still on the team while on C9 he was the only new player.
I legitimately think alomst every one who comments on things in the LCS is low elo, i know i'm low elo (s3 -= hardstuck) but i feel o-fucking pressesd by karma and raka, there has to have been a game where you were playing against a good karma or soraka and you just want to punch your screen because you can't get anything done. Thats the value of these champs the contro. and it baffles me that no one even like thinks about it, they treat pro like its a different game. To some extent it is a different game with comms and such but its still the game, oppressive champs on the patch are still oppressive in pro play ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT DONT NEED KILLS OR LOTS OF GOLD.
Karma is a situational Rumble counter that is bad at playing from behind. I literally watched Karma lose 9 games in a row across LPL/LEC/MSI. I don't care if LS says it's good. I'm not ignoring everything I see just because LS says so.
Dgon is the Karma of Facecheck: less flashy but such a good support
yeah they need a host like him on ls' new podcast with nemesis
This comment. Every video. Why?
@@davidsimon3078 why not
Dgon sucks
@@adobolift idk. Feels like the fat girl getting called beautiful. Gets weird
Something I've heard is that if everyone on a talk show agrees with each other, it creates a weird atmosphere. Dom and LS agree with each other on most topics, so it forces dGon to be the contrarian in most cases. This makes him come off as a Riot apologist or someone who defends the bad players but really he is just providing the devil's advocate take that is needed for the show.
Yeah he is doing his job as a moderator where he gives the popular takes so LS and Dom have something to disagree with.
I hope noone is giving him shit for his takes. Hes just a good moderator
yea he honestly does such a great job on the show. hope more people give him his props
Makes sense but it's also pointless to disagree for the sake of it. It's better to have the hosts be as objective as possible, and if that means they always agree then so be it. Just my view tho
@@angusngg You make a fair point, but I rarely feel like Dgon just disagrees for the sake of it. Often he represents the popular opinion on social media, Caster's opinions or Riot's opinion. I think it's great to contextualise what Dom and LS are talking about. He tries to come up with a counter argument which is then defused by LS or Dom, which is way better than just letting them air their opinions unchallenged. It makes the stuff they say more legitimate if Dgon confronts them with a popular counter argument and they can explain why it's wrong or why they disagree.
@@Doodoofart725 Yeah, especially if you compare it to League Nightmares by LS and Nemesis. They agree on everything they say and it gives their podcast a weird dynamic
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When Dom opens with "so I guess you weren't watching any CLG games" and LS just sighs, smiles and nods his head.
That was the LCS viewer experience encapsulated.
Dom has 0 idea what hes talking about when he said mj didnt cry to the refs. You’ve never seen him play except for the last dance. He cried to refs nonstop. All stars do
Correct. Maybe not as much as today but it was still a lot back then. The bigeset difference today is the physicality of the game is a bot softer now due to rules changes. And, LeBron is at least the second best of all time and a contender for GOAT,
I love that LS is standing when he streams he's much more animated in his speech too as a result.
Standing up while streaming or making videos for youtube is more healthier then sitting down for let's say 4 -8 hours
it helps him to stay awake. they stream at 1AM/2AM in korea time
@@tatakaeedgy311 do you genuinely think ls has consideration for what time it is?
@@sycophant8470 yes he is, he mentioned he only watch 4 games of lcs most of the time
Zven got benched because he kept PepeLaughing Jack's haircut. to quote, "look at the top of his head oh no no no". Zvenched!
Fans: “Perkz needs to be punished”
C9: takes away his pudding after supper for a week
lmao he gets 3 mill a year, you think he can't afford a home deliverd pudding
fudge pudding :c
on santas naughty list until he wins worlds.
@@maaboiiyo1886 nice 1
Taking away his pudding is the only punishment i can think of that would actually be the correct level of punishment he deserves. A full week of no pudding is pushing it though. 2 pudding-less nights would send the appropriate message
Perkz was just giving NA the G2 treatment, inting one game and then smurfing the next
He literally never smurfs in LCS like zero times.
@@warriorlike1659 that aged like fine vine hahaha 10/0
@@liridonsahiti7832 how so?
the stoppable force and movable object cracked me up real good, thanks for a good morning!
The Palafox comparison with Faker and Nemesis is interesting. It basically says that the way in which you climb soloQ is important, and the champs you use and everything else. Makes me want to analize more how other pro players climb to see who is honest and who is dishonet and not just think that because a certain player is high lp, he is going to perform better in LCS. Very nice
Its abit like the 1 trick pony that get super high elo, but only play that 1 thing. That player might be good but it might also just be a case of "ban that 1 champ" and he is worthless.
Pretty weird take from LS. When your surroundings are not being "honest" (silly word for it) its pretty meaningless if you are. Palafox is just playing solo q as its played, there is no benefit for Faker and Nemesis to set their team back by not adjusting to the unwritten rules.
Imagine playing football in the park and sticking to a position like a coach assigned you to it. You won't learn anything because the other players are not giving you the space you would have to address if you were playing in a professional setting.
@@klauswolfbert the problem with that is that in both cases you learn to play from behind (helps in league doesn't in football)
@@klauswolfbert if the only practice that football players got was playing in the park then they would DEFINITELY stick to positions play systematically
@@baraenbojassen6611 I mean at that point it gets hard to compare. In football people who want to get more serious would get into local clubs and then start their potential journey from there. Guess the lowest entry point league had in that regard was ranked 5v5 teams, but obviously that was removed.
Still feels like playing in any present system like academy is a way better display of your ability to play in a professional setting than playing "honest" in solo q.
I do agree that the options of practice are limited for a large amount of the league player base, but both Faker and Nemesis have/had the opportunity to access these systems.
There's something satisfying about watching LS and Dom talk shit about the game while also providing good analysis and discussion and seeing Dgon's reactions to everything. This podcast is awesome please keep doing it.
LS making patch notes would be like one of those astronaut memes.
Me: Wait, it's all enchanters and hypers?
LS, aiming gun at my head: Always has been
God damn LS aka Listen Scrub earned my like in appreciation for his Karma explanation.
imo his biggest "problem" is that he get tired of saying the same thing. So when people come to his stream and he just go "xx champ is bad here" without anymore explanation, they think he is stupid. They forget that he already did the full explanation 5 times that week ^^
@@GreenLarsen I don't remember who said it about LS, maybe it was Caedrel, but it would help a ton if he just made 10-20 minute video going over his arguments in a youtube video. Like, on one hand, sure, I agree it's super tiring having to repeat yourself dozens of times every day, but on the other, you have extremely controversial takes and when people are first exposed to them and they don't get a quality explanation for your views, it makes you come off as contrarian for the fuck of it. Which is likely part of the reason why Caedrel said some of what he said about LS.
As a side note, I also just wish he would put more effort into explaining why he thinks a champion is good or bad, even when he does go at length on the topic. Yesterday I popped into his stream and he was in the middle of explaining to a guy in twitch chat why Kaisa is bad and the arguments are just so vague and non-sensical. "Kai'sa is heavy." What the fuck is heavy, that doesn't mean anything? "Give Ezreal 10k gold and give Kaisa 10k gold, there's a big difference there." Paraphrasing that a bit, but he's basically saying Kaisa doesn't do as much with gold as Ezreal does, which is also just incomprehensible to me. One of her supposed weaknesses are that she's only really good if she's ahead, so gold is obviously really good on her, as she's not a utility adc. Not to mention that Ezreal is inherently a less consistent ADC, simply because he relies on hitting skillshot, virtually 95% of the time to be able to do any damage. No matter how good you are at the game, you're gonna have off-games, unlucky games and Ezreal would be an unreliable champion in situations like that. If you're simply stating Ezreal is a better adc, even if that is the case, that does not make Kaisa bad. You're not a bad champion because this other champion in your role might be better spot than you are a point in time. This type of stuff is mostly what I have a problem with, because even if he's not being contrarian for the sake of it, I know for a fact he overuses hyperbole when talking about whether a champ or team comp is bad/good, and it's just frustrating sometimes.
The Karma explanation was good, more like that please.
@@stark8837 I generally agree with what you said. And I to like it when he takes his time to do some explanations
@@stark8837 it was thorin who said hes pushed him to record his explanations as vids
@@stark8837 He said he won't do it, since the game is ever changing. People will still find a way to break is balls over months olds videos on champions, they already do that on takes that are months if not years old.
The flyquest honest dishonest soloq talk was so insightfull!!! Great stuff
Yeah because Palafox playing Sylas and roaming to fights in soloq is nowhere close to as honest as Nemesis spamming Tryndamere mid. Honestly this guy is just the best bullshitter.
@@nateryan7057 Good for you for having a different opinion
Speculation Comment: Alphari got "forced" onto the Lee Sin to cover for Jensen or Santorin's to pick a favorable matchup and both of those kinda flubbed the early game. It's hard because Player Cam is always rotating (no Pro View) but I didn't see Alphari even speaking for the last 5+min of the game and he didn't say anything to the teammates while on stage packing up after the loss.
Santorin straight trolled the Volibear build in Game 1, they needed him to be a Frontline and not Mixed Damage (Divine Sunderer and Zhonyas). He was so far behind in the early game to the Rumble that they couldn't contest a single objective because Rumble always wins that 1v1 trade, since his DoT abilities will continue after the Voli stun and he doesn't have the total DMG output to match Rumble.
Alphari on Q Flash kick was one of the few engage options left; he hits the one kicking TSMs player into the Raptor pit and Santorin flashed the wall to steal the kill while he has Ultimate available to get over the jungle wall as well. Wasting flash is pretty grief and I think Alphari blew up on Jatt/Kold (commenters on post literally think Head Coach and Assistant Coach never speak together on how the team should play or draft??? 2IQ.) and Santorin for the Draft+Execution post-game and Jatt+Mgmt probably thought it was out of line.
With CoreJJ on Karma, him and Ez get to poke bully the lane. It didn't go perfectly but they left lane ahead. After lane, Karma is now the assist on engage, which should be good with Voli speed and Jump from Ultimate, but if he has no survivability stats you rush the Voli into death again and again.
So TL is forced back into relying on Tactical Ezreal Poke, which Lee and Voli are absolute shit in a poke comp. ALPHARI A VICTIM OF SOFT LCS MENTAL. Dude clearly has a desire for success and the ability to match. Excessive flame? Or maybe just a clear eyed view at what shit he was given Game 1.
My personal guess: Alphari said or implied that Jatt is ass at drafting and had no understanding of the connection between players' strengths and team style. Under Jatt what is TL's identity? Please tell me because the closest I can come to is 'poor man's Korea'. Probably Alphari challenged Jatt about drafts in playoffs and stuff he said in meetings and that's where the 'brewing for a while' in interviews comes from. Turns out Jatt doesn't handle the truth well. In spite of all the double non-speak Jatt does under his leadership TL still doesn't have an identity.
@@colpul2103 kold drafts not jatt bro so ur just wrong lol
Interesting points thanks.
Someone go back and watch Game 1 - I don't think Santorin ever disabled a turret with his ultimate.
Dom said there was a 17 minute game in Lpl and I didn't believe it until I watched the vod. That LPL hit different.
I watched it live and still don’t believe it. It looked like Nuguri was legitimately smurfing in pro play.
@@blyakeprice9771 rogue warriors were last place team last split, they aren't a good team so it's understandable
@@abirmahmud2242 but that’s like not how it goes in any other region lol. Alphari doesnt murder enemy top and 1v9 the whole game in less than 20 minutes against Golden Guardians. Mad Lions doesn’t crush Vitality like that. Even Damwon doesn’t decimate Fredit Brion in that fashion(in fact they lost a series to them in spring).
@@blyakeprice9771 nuguri got solo'd the next game by the same top laner, it's all good
Been loving the podcasts recently. Used to criticize Dgon but now I like him.
Keep up the good work guys, much love.
I hate making comments like this, but this was like actually maybe my favorite episode of facecheck. I REALLY enjoy watching all of these, there are none where I'm like, that wasn't enjoyable. But this was just a SUPER relatable, enjoyable piece and I thought it'd be sick to let you guys know that if you see this. This type of content is really enjoyable, because I feel like it pandered a lot towards the community that wants to understand the esport scene I guess in league of legends specifically, on a more fundamental level, rather than just all the news of stuff going on, where it's drama reliant for content. This is just super solid and like, logistical points I can't describe it. But this was easily one of my more enjoyed episodes, thanks!
I love how Dom got really serious into ranting about LeBron during a league show god bless
The bit at the end with the wiimote wheels had me in tears xD nice work DGon
ty homie
Please put 00:00 for timestamps to show, & thanks for the content!
"sometimes when nuguri gets off he gets off so hard the entire game just explodes" thanks for putting it like that dom.... XD
Wait the community wanted to bench Perkz for one game?? I now feel even better about never reading anything lol related on Reddit
100% agree. I have never been on reddit, but when i hear about it on shows like this, i wonder how anyone goes there for any reason. Imagine 1000 people agreeing with some dipshit that wants to bench Perkz. Oh yeah, punish your best player for a bad game...that is some brilliance that only reddit could come up with
Dom's take on Lebron was SO CRINGE. Does he not realize that he's contradicting himself with his Perkz argument. Lebron also just won the championship last year and lost in the playoffs due to his 2nd best player getting injured. Yet he calls him out and questions "what he brings on the court."
We’re you watching the same series where he walked off the court with 6 minutes in the game and was constantly just refusing to play defense?
@@jonathanlafleur1826 And you are exactly proving my point. Just because he has one bad series at 36 years old with his 2nd best player out means that he is not one of the best to ever do it? So then, if we use your logic, then we should hold Perkz to that same standard since he had a terrible showing at MSI and had an abysmal 1st week of LCS.
@@ryanfarol120 it has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with attitude. Bottom line you don’t quit on your team and he did that
@@jonathanlafleur1826 Okay. Then let's hold other GOATs to that attitude. Michael Jordan shouldn't be punching teammates out of frustration. That's legit assault. Kobe Bryant shouldn't have quit on his team in game 7 vs the Suns during the 06 playoffs. So let's not try and nitpick things to fit your narrative shall we?
@@ryanfarol120 facts bro you spitting on god
Having 8 teams make playoffs in NA is so ridiculous. The #7-8 team will be immediately eliminated anyways and they are usually a chore to watch.
I'm more okay with it this time since spring split points didn't matter and it's only one large split. It's kind of a way to truly make sure only the best teams survive, and if one of them some how have a freak accident of going all the way they deserve it.
This season I think Perkz’s value will come to light. In the spring he reminded me of Bjerg. Great domestically but couldn’t match up against the international S tier mid laners. Hopefully in the Summer he shows that he’s worth the money.
Love this new basketball podcast
MJ ALL DAY
Holy cow I did not expect this fast an upload
our editor cisco is a fucking g
@@dgon4997 Tell cisco that you and him are true heroes, thanks for the content dGon!
Great stream! Always love the insight from the cast.
When and where does LS and Dom stream. Would love to get more into the LPL and LCK co streams to help improve my game
Ir is tricky with the time zones, your best bet is to look at the schedule on their Twitch and you'll get the date for your timezone. You can also ask twitch to message you when they start streaming, the message on your phone saves the time when they start streaming.
Dom is literally the person he flames on Reddit and his community is the same.
46:55 I was a big FlyQuest fan during 2020 and I thought this was one of the most hilarious interactions I've seen in Esports
When a flair player tries to do a hero/desperation play they will always looks worse than a standard player in traditional sport. Same thing here in eSports but the LoL community being so young and sport illiterate they don’t know that Perkz is just trying to make something happen and if Perkz was a soccer player the fans wouldn’t demand him being dropped from the team for failing desperation plays.
i dont understand ppl hting on perkz, yea he ints sometimes but even when he does he tries to win he tries to come into the fight from unexpected angles, he catches waves better than anyone else and it seems like everything but playoff is just training for playoffs for him.
I am super disappointed in Perkz' play so far this year. He has played well under his LEC levels so far. He did well in playoffs, but MSI was hard to watch. I have never seen him be outclassed so consistsntly. But...he is having some growing pains, or a slump...he is clearly taking it seriously, trying to turn it around...he isn't laughing at playing poorly or stealing a paycheck. He is doing everything you could ask to turn it around and get back into form
Talking about the tweets at 50ish minutes. LS thinking that this is an esports problem is funny. This is in all sports. If u don't win, then it doesnt matter how good you are. Every sport or esport is about winning. This is just going to make results based thinking around forever. That is sports culture and esports is a part of that.
Yesssssir love to see this content
Agreed
Dom should start a sports podcast.
Remember, Dom can ask about guests if anyone, Dgon, may be interested in such a sleep schedule...and some world class League of Legends with some world class casting!
37:40 Ghost not only trolling his teammates at MSI, but now LS too...
d-gon, aka defly gon from the LCS and never coming back
i fucking love dgon, completely integral part of this show
Yo did I just miss it or did they not talk about the tsm deal at all cause I would've loved to hear doms and ls thoughts on how this could shape the esports scene and the future of the LCS
They did not, it was in the list of topics, but once they finished the benching discussion, they immediately moved to discussing the teams, all but TSM, it was weird...
I like dom but his LeBron take is pree bad, esp about LeBron defensive effort considering Lakers have best defence in NBA by a large margin, but he does cry to the refs, which you can not appreciate as a play style, but to say he's not worthy just because of that, to me given his body of work, the teams he has carried through the playoffs, the performances, the "eye test", stats, numerous players and coaches accounts of his incredibly high (a lot believe highest ever) basketball IQ, is a little ridiculous. Maybe you have Jordan as your goat, that's fair, but he's not even in the convo? I donno man...
The main LCS topics super accurate tho.
yup to say hes not a goat is kinda weird lol. I dont think lebron is THE GOAT, but hes def one of the goats of NBA
LBJ definitely hurt his legacy with his play and actions this year in the playoffs though.
I love the pro view. Allows me to record and take notes.
Dom is always on fire when he's tired hahah
i dont understand doms hate for dig. I can totally see them taking a game off the top 3/4, and most likely placing 5th. you heard it here first
Agreed. At least they play different comps and can have interesting games sometimes. Sure it sometimes swings the other way, but it’s a lot more fun than the rest of the lower half imo.
dom saying lebron is not one of the goats cause of his personality made me lose respect for him
@@josipkau8851 ok so he’s not better than Jordan. But how can you argue that he’s not ONE of the greatest players of all time? Anyone that doesn’t think that of Lebron is just lying to themselves. You don’t have to like Lebron but at least be objective when evaluating the greatest players to ever play.
@@josipkau8851 Dom literally said Lebron is not a GOAT. the “a” implies that there is more than one of. Also, Dom said that he doesn’t understand how people have Lebron higher than “players” like Jordan. If Dom said that Lebron is not THE GOAT, then that’s fine although his reasons for it are flawed but the way he said it (“not a GOAT”) implies that he doesn’t think Lebron is one of the GOATs
I watched the ig and sn stream live at 2 am i think im one of the chill chatters lets goooooo
Dom not being able to sleep for 30+ min worries me :(
Can you sleep right away? I normally take 15-20 minutes of pretending to be asleep before i can get anywhere near passing out
@@joeshoe1624 Depends on how tired/exhausted I am and the time of night for how long it takes to sleep.
Utterly mentally exhausted, I fall asleep in under 5 min. Normal day, 15ish min. I make it to 3am or am full of energy, then it takes me 20+ min. I thought that would be relatively normal.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 ^^^ditto. 1 hr is def not normal, just hopes it does bot happen to dom too often
@@jasonchen4807 Could have something to do with his screen time and poor habits while in the pro-scene. Trained his body/brain in a way that will take a long while to undo.
I am not an authority on this or anything. But those can just lead to issues with insomnia.
@@jasonchen4807 it takes me 1 hour when i have been doing nothing but sitting at my pc all day. been going to college ~ 5 to 15 min and been exercising all day like 5 min
Dom is my favorite league analyst but damn his basketball knowledge is lacking if he thinks Lebron is not one of the GOATs or at least top 2-3 all time. His reasons lack a lot of context and kinda show he hasn’t watched Lebron or the NBA in a long time.
His reasons were Lebron gives no defensive effort, complains to the refs and walks on the court. The no defense part is so disingenuous because Lebron for so many years has had to carry the offense of his teams to such a degree that he can’t afford to exert himself on defense to the extent he could such as in 2013. Actually since Anthony Davis has arrived in LA, Lebron’s defense has been exceptional now that he has someone that can help shoulder the offense. Walking on the court makes sense if you actually watch the games because his teams can’t function with him off the court. Look at 2018 Lebron for example, he DRAGGED that team to the finals but he had to conserve himself when he’s on the court at times so he’s not completely worn down when they need him the most which means he can’t play every possession with the same intensity of someone like Russell Westbrook who has shown that he wears down as the playoffs come around.
Lastly, the complaining to the refs part is something literally every player in the NBA does and if that’s the main argument for Jordan over Lebron, then it’s not a very powerful stance.
He doesn’t have to think Lebron is better than Jordan, but the reasons he gave were very weak and easily broken apart.
No one cares MJ is better
His whole point was he was over hyped, comparing him against Jordan, and other Greats.....
This is why it's such a toxic conversation to have with anyone. What Dom values in his goat status is his choice. By stating he's wrong because you value other things is pointless.
@@jonlane6527 it wasn’t my intention to be toxic and ofc it is his choice but the reasons he had for it are just disingenuous.
Its like the whole Phreak Rumble discussion. Phreak was analyzing essentially just winrates across elos but they don’t have context of why rumble is “bad”. Dom broke it down perfectly in his Phreaky with Data video and it provided a lot of clarity and perspective. And it’s not that Phreak can’t say Rumble is bad it’s just the reasons he said he was bad are very weak, like Dom saying Lebron isn’t one of the greatest of all time.
What happened to uploading on Spotify?
I was about to comment the same thing, I would love to listen to this podcast on Spotify.
They've not had it since they moved to Venn, I've asked but never got a response!
DIG is going to worlds. Yall hating but Aphro and Dardoch carrying them to the promise land
I got hyped for Aphro back as a supp player and Dom hyped me on Dardoch. Gotta root for the bois.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Aphro is my favorite player of all time. Dom was talking bad on him but he keeps proving him wrong
To Dom’s point at 25mins about more popular players getting more hate and that not being right, I think it’s more the overpaid players get more hate. These orgs keep saying they are making no money from the league yet they spend insane amounts of money on these players who aren’t worth those sums of money. I think the community is fed up with that and criticises the players more because of the stupid amounts of cash they make for what is a pretty cushty job when they perform that badly. It’s the same in other traditional sports.
what? but hes comparing 2 players that are considered overpaid not perkz and some bottom lcs player
^ yes and also why do lcs fans even give af about who gets paid what it’s so insane. It’s not your money and you don’t have to pay to watch either. The reason football fans care about transfers is because they pay active membership and season tickets worth sometimes hundreds of dollars. These fans are actual shareholders while lcs fans are just whiny bitches that wanna complain about EU players because they can’t produce their own. We should be glad most players going to NA don’t underperform or this problem would be way worse
Yeah that’s my point Omar, people aren’t going to flame bottom tier rookies as much because they don’t expect them to perform that well AND they know they aren’t on $1+ million contracts. I think people are just fed up of the amount these guys get paid when they consistently underperform at international events and it looks like many of them are just in it for the payday. Lots of people don’t even watch the league anymore because the element of people playing for the love of the game and the competition has disappeared since owners started dropping stupid amounts of money into player contracts. I think fans are getting sick fed up of this idea that tanking stupid amounts of cash will solve all of the region’s issues, but unfortunately that is very much the American way of doing things I suppose. I’m not expecting everyone to agree, just offering an opinion that myself and another group of people have.
@@farmergingee im just confused about what youre basing your opinion on...dom compared swordart and perkz he didnt compare perkz to neo
@@baraenbojassen6611 the point about it not being their money is fair. Lots of people want to see longevity in the scene though so they can stay invested in the pro league. If team owners are moaning they aren’t making money but spend huge amounts of money on players and I’m a fan who wants to see the league continue for a long time then I may very well be pissed off by that because I’m invested in another way apart from financially.
I don't know why lcs fans are crying about Perkz, we cheated again and stole another amazing LEC player. What player will be good enough for everyone or is it just his pricetag? How did we keep all our other imports for so long that they became residents? Who cares how much they make, keep the league competitive and give me fun games to watch.
good to hear doms armchair analysis of bron
It was such a bad take 😂
The popularity / flaming discussion is interesting but Broxah got flamed harder than other comparable players for the exact same reason
Normally, I think LS and Dom have pretty solid takes, but they both spouted off on something they have NO IDEA ABOUT that I had to stop the video, and I'm not going to complete it.
LS going off on "oh, orgs don't pay attention to fit" is a garbage take.
Other businesses which see a direct connection from hiring people to money coming in still have a difficult time in hiring the right people. Why does he think it's just a matter of paying attention to fit and hey, it just magically works!
And keep in mind this is the LS who couldn't manage his players well enough to be a competitive CK team. If LS shows that he can competently manage multiple personalities into a cohesive whole that is successful, then, maybe his "just pay attention to fit and it works" will actually be something we can keep in mind.
My take is the these orgs DO pay attention to fit (e.g., less Koreans, more Europeans), but that it's difficult to balance these issues with people who WANT to come to NA AND having the skills to compete at a high level at League AND also have the "perfect fit" with the team.
But according to LS's take, it's just as simple as "Orgs need to pay attention to fit" and then it'll be simple. That's just elementary level thinking when the world is more complex than that.
And Dom talking about the likely best OR 2nd best player in ALL OF BASKETBALL ALL TIME and acting like Perkz even compares, when Perkz can't even necessarily be the undisputed best WESTERN player of all time and has NEVER won a World Championship.
Well, that made me stop listening.
LS is great at breaking down mechanics and drafting, but he knows next to nothing when it comes to how to handle fit of personalities in an organization.
Dom is usually good at giving takes on League ideas and team strengths, but his ignorance of basketball is showing through in his critique of Lebron in that he's "NOT the GOAT" and therefore, he's not "big enough" so his hate isn't even comparable to the hate that Perkz is getting is mind-blowing.
I don't watch Facecheck for garbage takes in areas where these people have NO EXPERTISE or even knowledge. Stick with what you DO have experience and expertise in, and when you tackle subjects outside your expertise, be humble in your lack of knowledge of how "easy" things are.
Maskless LS mixing it up i like it
Standing Maskless LS
Im not gonna lie dom ive been down for hearing you out on any take you got on this show, but i cant stand here and hear you slander lebron like this, you let me down
MJ the GOAT
I mean hes not wrong tho
more flame to SA who did good 1st week, i mean he is the main caller in TSM, its make big diff if you bring up no experience academy player to sub him out.
Gj facecheck
Not talking about a team that went 3-0 is criminal, no matter cause TSM FTX TO THE MOON
Honest vs Dishonest solo q discussion was super interesting. What do you think is the best way to improve lol macro?
Santorin griefed on the volibear games. He frankly should have went full tank voli with probably chemtank first game and frozen gauntlet second game. They needed solid direct engage that Lee Sin usually can't provide, and by going divine sunderer Santorin was too squishy to do that. There were multiple fights in both games where he would have normally survived long enough for his team to follow up had he went a tank build.
Why didn’t you guys talk about TSM going 3-0 this week :(
Lmao
They will do everything in their power to not highlight TSM's positive points.
Cause tsm isnt worth the time
@@sakshimalik6135 So true.
@@bomnitoperro9422 found the salty hater XD
I never get why "Na Fans" want imports to be shit so they can be correct instead of having a good team...
1. Nobody wants import to be shit if they're already here... 2. Correct in which way ? I feel like couldn't make less sens.
I wont speak for reddit but i just want to see decent gameplay in NA. I dont even have hope for good gameplay i just want it to not be trash.
We aren't the smartest bunch...
Fans just wanna feel justified in the idea that its not a talent/mentality/cultural problem, but that it is entirely on the NA development system. LCS teams are honestly doing plenty compared to some LEC teams to develop talent (I love G2, but I dont remember the last time they properly tried to develop talent). They just have very little to work with, and the odds of ever getting a top player out of their development are abysmal.
@@MrSlade138 i mean they dont need to at the moment. Dont they G2 Arctic or whatever? Also they can just buy young talent lol
If TL didn't bench Alphari, we would have had Alphari vs. Perkz top lane...Reason 243 why the benching is ridiculously ill-advised
LS is almost certainly correct about investors. People that have millions of dollars to invest in something as speculative as an esport are grown up and intelligent enough to know that these petty, marshmallow-soft "leaders" of the teams are going to run these teams into the ground if they are left to their own devices. That's why you are going to see Jatt put Alphari back in, or you'll see Jatt leaving Team Liquid soon. I am blown away Steve would have let Jatt bench him in the first place, but he most definitely won't let it stay this way. If Alphari did something so bad it was worth being indefinitely suspended, he did something bad enough to be fired. The fact they didn't release him tells us that it wasn't that big of a deal to warrant benching the 2nd best player in the LCS. It feels like Jatt wanted to teach Alphari a lesson, and did not plan ahead for what might happen if Alphari didn't put his head down and apologize. He didn't plan for Alphari standing his ground, and now he put himself in a position he can't win. Benching the best player of spring split is indefensible if he tries to run it longer than week 1. 99% chance Alphari starts this weekend. 1% chance Jatt sticks to his guns, in which case he will be the one that gets let go. Jatt was a great caster/analyst, he should probably be doing what he's best at anyway
These aren’t put up on Spotify?
I need clarification, can the co-streamers bring up the pro view on demand? Or are they just watching the stream normally like before?
co-streamers can bring up proview on demand on their specific week they're allowed to. otherwise they can only proview the free game of the day
@@dgon4997 Specific week seems to imply that we aren't necessarily seeing that analysis in real time. Is there anybody without access to Pro View on Game Day?
Dgon defending his boy deftly while LS and Dom try to make him drink the kool-aid is the kind of loyalty we all should have
im a loyal friend.
Lebron played great defense this year when he was not injured though and every player complains at the ref
I am sorry i consider myself very smart. I mean i watch Facecheck after all :) I listen to Dom and LS all the time but i couldn't understand what LS was talking about Faker playing honest. So is he just playing to win lane is that what he meant? I have no clue and its killing me. Dgon translate this please!
I think he's basically saying that Faker doesn't take gambles, go for high variance plays or in any other way take advantage of the chaotic and uncoordinated environment of soloq. Instead he plays soloq the exact same way he would inside of a competitive/professional game, he doesn't assume that the enemy is going to make mistakes and/or play carelessly.
Honest gameplay (based on my understanding) is playing in a way where you treat everyone to play perfectly based on what their team comp is or what the match up is. It's assuming they won't make any mistakes. But in soloq you can play a champion that you one trick and beat another champion which is suppose to win the match-up. It's either because they are just not good, made a random mistake, or some random team fight happened that made them lose the lane to you. That's dishonest because you can't expect those mistakes to happen every game let alone pro play.
Honestly, I'm surprised Karma / Morgana aren't perma pick/ban given how flexible and generically useful they are. I guess it's cause not enough of the players play / want to play them to draft them that way.
Dom is the king of sounding like he knows what he’s saying but not actually knowing shit. How old was Dom when Jordan was playing?
Regarding Perkz, there is some overreaction but this isn't out of the blue, he's been lackluster for most of the split and only played up to expectations in a few games, and completely tanked at MSI and is continuing to play sub-par at the start of this split. All this effort by Dom to defend Perkz rather than giving him some due criticism goes to show what happens when you've aligned yourself with an org and are no longer willing to speak candidly the way you would about players from other teams.
Dom speaks candidly about C9 all of the time. He speaks honestly about Perkz too. He's right on this one for sure.
I don’t think it’s c9 tbh, he’s always been a perkz defender. It’s nothing new. I’ll always defend perkz solely on his clutch factor. Historically he has stepped up after slumps. I’m also a huge perkz fanboy, so take that with a grain of salt
@@Awe391 they paid for Playoff Perkz. That's really the one that matters. By the end of the split he'll still be the best mid laner and he'll smurf in the playoffs.
I just look at LS’s camera the whole time
35:17 rare LS W
Dom trying to say perkz > Lebron holy fuck 🤦🏾♂️
1:16:30 I'm pretty sure the chat wants to see Dom losing his sh*t than anything else.
I’m with Dom on not sleeping easily. Melatonin helps resolve that issue for me.
Try cbd gummies/oil and you wont get that heavy narcotic feel from the melatonin
Yo where do I find a longsleeve shirt like LS has?
I was wondering the same thing. He's a nike boy now
@@dgon4997 Holy shit dGon responded to my comment. My youtube career has peaked
This meta is leaving TL behind like they are cavemen.
Someone please explain why people play Nidalee instead of Lilla or Rumble or Morgan. These champions do same better than Nidalee and can provide the team with reliable CC and utility.
Am I missing something here? ☹️
The jungler feels like they have more agency probably.
@@jeyserreacts3444 May; be but its high risk with decent reword. but with morg we get binding and black shield. I think this is better than entire Nidalee kit combined .
And if u, and its a big if, fall behind on morg u still have relevance. But for Nidalee she is useless.
Do y'all think that if TL just subbed in Armao too this team would do better? Santorin seems pretty shit this season too
To early to say its like perkz thing with week one santorin just got back and stuff
As someone who watched MJ dom really doesn’t know shit about basketball I do think MJ is the goat but to downplay lebron like that and say he isn’t even in the conversation for being a goat is insane especially with the crying to the refs argument as your debating point
Honestly dom has a better chance analyzing NBA with those "points" than he does at league.
Didn't talk about TSM FTX Sadge
mithy walks in with a whip after that one
Flyquest last year was pretty good personality wise
Okay, Dom doesn't know anything about basketball. LeBron is definitely the second-best player of all time. There is only one better to ever do it. Regardless of the whiny shit LeBron does his stats speak for themselves.
are we ok with solo playing over niels? they are developing, so i would much rather see niels..
U should learn his name then
@@iSlashhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol
IWDom makes me think my headphones have wiring issues.
did i miss someting or did they not talk about TSM at all except for Curry drama
Hit like after Dom's Lebron rant
Like I know Dom hates TSM, but how does he say "Swordart joined the championship team" in comparison to performance with Perkz where only 1 player from that TSM roster is still on the team while on C9 he was the only new player.
Fudge was new too.
I legitimately think alomst every one who comments on things in the LCS is low elo, i know i'm low elo (s3 -= hardstuck) but i feel o-fucking pressesd by karma and raka, there has to have been a game where you were playing against a good karma or soraka and you just want to punch your screen because you can't get anything done. Thats the value of these champs the contro. and it baffles me that no one even like thinks about it, they treat pro like its a different game. To some extent it is a different game with comms and such but its still the game, oppressive champs on the patch are still oppressive in pro play ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT DONT NEED KILLS OR LOTS OF GOLD.
Why is dom so heated when he is talking about lebron? There is so much pent up aggression in him.
jiizuke is hell of a good player. the problem is he is the only threat on this team so teams can just focus him and win the game off it...
Karma is a situational Rumble counter that is bad at playing from behind. I literally watched Karma lose 9 games in a row across LPL/LEC/MSI. I don't care if LS says it's good. I'm not ignoring everything I see just because LS says so.
exactly what LS said. She is horrible when all her carries are behind.
PJSugar is hilarious, if it was meant that way! 🤣
Tsm time stamp?