Let’s pray that the Lord guides all Christians to read and study the early Church fathers. In this way, may they realize the authority of Christ’s Church and let them have faith that it never left us, but has been with us in every age. St. Peter, our first Holy Shepherd on Earth, pray for us.
It seems if a lot of Protestant faiths attempted to iron out their theological inconsistencies they would realize how off the mark they are from Jesus’ original teachings.
A lot of Protestant faiths are very close to Jesus's original teachings as taken in a vacuum; unfortunately, they've abstained from the right teachings and measured approach to Scripture granted us by the Church. Even more unfortunate is that the inspiration of their abstinence has been godless Papacies.
@@bloodofthelamb13 well, to give Protestants some credit where it’s due, their theology helps people only at the individual level. A man only concerned with his own personal salvation is content with Protestant theology as it is tailor made for that (hence the thousands of denominations). But societal structures built off of Jesus’ teachings are a completely separate endeavor, and one where Protestant theology fails miserably.
This is where I'm at now too as a former Mormon. Jesus sets up his Church only for it to fall into apostasy as quickly as they claim? Jesus performs his ministry, atones for the world, sets up a church just for it to fall apart as quickly as the Mormons claim? The All Powerful God builds a Church and what? Goes back to playing video games while the Church is ransacked right after he makes it? And to then restore it in 1820?
I've thought about this a lot too. It's as if to say Christ Himself was not enough to set up His own church, but Joseph Smith pulled it off. I don't know why I couldn't see the heresy before.
@@emprisedll5472Depends which Era in history. If you spend too much time on the Papacies of the Middle Ages you might end up with the opposite conclusion.
As a born and raised Protestant (With devout Catholic Grandparents) I can say that my exposure to church history and church fathers, has been leading me to Orthodoxy, because as he said "Proto-Catholic/Orthodox" Because it is foundational elements to a Liturgical, Sacramental, High Church tradition, that the church fathers wrote about, that follows more for me with what the Orthodox Church is. Since the Catholic church has acquired more traditions over time and even changed them (as notable with the recent/current popes) I know they both have that foundation, but for me, Orthodoxy has stuck closer to that than Roman Catholic. Being as that is the goal of Orthodoxy, where as RC has measures in place to update and ratify dogmas and new teachings. I respect both very highly but when I read Church History, I see Orthodoxy
It would seem that any non-apostolic denomination would have to believe in a Great Apostasy as well, simply because the bar would be so high for justification of a new church not founded by Jesus.
@@consecratedsoul appreciate it I'll have to check it out, however, is there a specific book that is like a good compilation of all the church fathers writings themselves?
The genius of LDS theology was what made me leave protestantism! The great apostasy is such a clear and obvious conclusion for protestants its such strange move for them to drop it. Though it would make sense of protestantism as an ideology it doesn't work rationally. So i just went one step before protestantism and became catholic
The hard truth is that if there was a Great Apostasy that made the true Church unidentifiable then Christ’s promise did not hold true and we’re grasping at straws to avoid coming to that realization. You can easily read the Church Fathers from Apostolic times all the way into the Middle Ages and realize that there was no apostasy without twisting yourself into a pretzel to maintain that there was one but Christianity is still true.
Brother Hess, why did Judas become replaced with Matthias if having 12 apostles wasn’t important to the early church? Why not just keep the eleven and then progress with apostolic succession as they die one by one? Geniune question.
I see your point, but this is unlike the current LDS leadership. There was no first presidency, so there was only ever 12 leaders, not 15. And in any case, we have first-century writings claiming the bishops of the church are the successors of the 12 apostles.
Not related to the video, but Matt, have you considered interviewing Diana Walsh Pasulka? I think it would be a great conversation between the two of you
If Ye don't know thy Parchments/Hebrew Text Aka Thy Original KJV derived from thy Parchments, how then will ye learn understanding? Im not Judging, Im a lowly man but know Thy TRUTH!!! Catholics believe Mary, is thy queen of heaven, Not! Again, I shall say it, Mary, got Her Reward and is Remembered until this day! Also Christ, said 'Father, I was with You, before Thy Foundation of thy whole world' Mary, was Not there yet! Know your Scripture. John3:17 Amen!!!
I don't read the KJV. I am fluent in Hebrew in Koin Greek and don't read any parchment that is older than 300 AD. It's the only proper way to read the scriptures. Those who refuse to learn aren't real Christians.
The KJV is an amazing work of art, but not so great as a translation of Scripture. The Latin Vulgate of St Jerome, and other prior translations into Latin or other languages were used as sources, etc. Since then, biblical scholars have collected older sources, often in the original languages, and otherwise improved the resources available for translation, resulting in newer translations being improved over the past century or two. As to the rest of your post, you're pretty sure you're right for a "lowly man", to dismiss so readily anything that doesn't fit with your ideas.
Well @JamesP. No one can deny that the Last Copy of the Original KJV circa1611 is and has been housed at The British Museum of Modern Art, under ground, Now Can anyone dispute that? I go by those Scriptures. And Yes they were Translated from the Hebrew Text. John3:17! Amen!!!
I'm Not Closed-minded @JamesP. I'm Not Perfect either, there always has been 'words' added or taken away from scripture, No One on Earth knows thee exact Truth. I just know Christ, is my savior! Peace
@@jeremysmith7176 It was because your hearts were hard that James wrote you this law. But at the beginning of Christianity, Jesus said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." Therefore what Jesus has commanded, let no one annul.
@@11kravitznI don't understand, do you believe the Gospels authentic and reliable (and you should), but not the letters of Paul or Peter? Peter said Paul was right but hard to understand in his letters, and Paul said Peter and the Apostles said nothing that conflicted with what he was saying (and Paul risked his life every day, so there's very little reason to think he was lying.)
@@crusaderACR And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Cor 11 Paul is calling the other apostles false apostles. Paul says the apostles encouraging circumcision should castrate themselves in Galatians 5:12. The happy story of agreement in Acts is propaganda.
I Praise God, Thru Christ, with The Holy Spirit, Every Religion thinks they have thy answers, most don't have a clue what they're learning or teaching. Question for thy Catholics, Why do ye call thy pope Holy Father? That's Wrong! God, said 'Honor thy father and mother but don't call No one else on Earth thy Father! Ye Do error Greatly! John3:17 Amen!!!
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Let’s pray that the Lord guides all Christians to read and study the early Church fathers. In this way, may they realize the authority of Christ’s Church and let them have faith that it never left us, but has been with us in every age.
St. Peter, our first Holy Shepherd on Earth, pray for us.
It seems if a lot of Protestant faiths attempted to iron out their theological inconsistencies they would realize how off the mark they are from Jesus’ original teachings.
Yeah, well, Hick Rube preacher man and his tacky redneck flock will just point to the KJV and say "Da BIBLE DONE SAYS!"
A lot of Protestant faiths are very close to Jesus's original teachings as taken in a vacuum; unfortunately, they've abstained from the right teachings and measured approach to Scripture granted us by the Church. Even more unfortunate is that the inspiration of their abstinence has been godless Papacies.
@@bloodofthelamb13 well, to give Protestants some credit where it’s due, their theology helps people only at the individual level. A man only concerned with his own personal salvation is content with Protestant theology as it is tailor made for that (hence the thousands of denominations).
But societal structures built off of Jesus’ teachings are a completely separate endeavor, and one where Protestant theology fails miserably.
This is where I'm at now too as a former Mormon. Jesus sets up his Church only for it to fall into apostasy as quickly as they claim? Jesus performs his ministry, atones for the world, sets up a church just for it to fall apart as quickly as the Mormons claim? The All Powerful God builds a Church and what? Goes back to playing video games while the Church is ransacked right after he makes it? And to then restore it in 1820?
I've thought about this a lot too. It's as if to say Christ Himself was not enough to set up His own church, but Joseph Smith pulled it off. I don't know why I couldn't see the heresy before.
And if God can't hold the Church together the first time, how can you trust a restoration to not collapse as well? "This time I really mean it!"
@@emprisedll5472Depends which Era in history. If you spend too much time on the Papacies of the Middle Ages you might end up with the opposite conclusion.
@@smartismarti4049Joseph Smith literally said he was superior to Christ in the aspect of holding a church together.
Replace "LDS" with "Baptist" and this becomes my same exact story.
Indeed.
What’s the difference between the LDS Jesus and the Jesus revealed in the inspired scriptures?
@@mattb4249Mormons deny the triune nature of God
I'm yet to see any honest christian reading the Church Fathers and not becoming catholic.
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i guess more so still being protestant.
As a born and raised Protestant (With devout Catholic Grandparents)
I can say that my exposure to church history and church fathers, has been leading me to Orthodoxy, because as he said "Proto-Catholic/Orthodox"
Because it is foundational elements to a Liturgical, Sacramental, High Church tradition, that the church fathers wrote about, that follows more for me with what the Orthodox Church is.
Since the Catholic church has acquired more traditions over time and even changed them (as notable with the recent/current popes)
I know they both have that foundation, but for me, Orthodoxy has stuck closer to that than Roman Catholic.
Being as that is the goal of Orthodoxy, where as RC has measures in place to update and ratify dogmas and new teachings.
I respect both very highly but when I read Church History, I see Orthodoxy
no true scotsman much?
The same thing happened to me from Armstrongism. Ellen G White of Adventism borrowed the same nonsense from the LDS
St Ignatius of Antioch was the first church father I read
Straight up! Bro.
Mine too!
If there was this "great apostasy" then Christ would have lied since he stated that "The gates of hell shall not prevail"
It would seem that any non-apostolic denomination would have to believe in a Great Apostasy as well, simply because the bar would be so high for justification of a new church not founded by Jesus.
the pentecostal "apostolic" church also highly beleives in the great apostasy, espesially for things like the trinity
Im a protestant who would like to read the early church fathers, any reccomendations on what book, or books, to read?
I would also like suggestions
@GT_16 “The Fathers Know Best” by Jimmy Akin is solid, hope that helps 🙏
@@consecratedsoul appreciate it I'll have to check it out, however, is there a specific book that is like a good compilation of all the church fathers writings themselves?
@@GT_16 yeah that one lol
@@consecratedsoul haha ok, I suppose I meant a complete set of the Father's works but I'll check it out. Thanks
The genius of LDS theology was what made me leave protestantism! The great apostasy is such a clear and obvious conclusion for protestants its such strange move for them to drop it. Though it would make sense of protestantism as an ideology it doesn't work rationally.
So i just went one step before protestantism and became catholic
The hard truth is that if there was a Great Apostasy that made the true Church unidentifiable then Christ’s promise did not hold true and we’re grasping at straws to avoid coming to that realization. You can easily read the Church Fathers from Apostolic times all the way into the Middle Ages and realize that there was no apostasy without twisting yourself into a pretzel to maintain that there was one but Christianity is still true.
Brother Hess, why did Judas become replaced with Matthias if having 12 apostles wasn’t important to the early church? Why not just keep the eleven and then progress with apostolic succession as they die one by one? Geniune question.
I see your point, but this is unlike the current LDS leadership. There was no first presidency, so there was only ever 12 leaders, not 15. And in any case, we have first-century writings claiming the bishops of the church are the successors of the 12 apostles.
Not related to the video, but Matt, have you considered interviewing Diana Walsh Pasulka? I think it would be a great conversation between the two of you
If Ye don't know thy Parchments/Hebrew Text Aka Thy Original KJV derived from thy Parchments, how then will ye learn understanding? Im not Judging, Im a lowly man but know Thy TRUTH!!! Catholics believe Mary, is thy queen of heaven, Not! Again, I shall say it, Mary, got Her Reward and is Remembered until this day! Also Christ, said 'Father, I was with You, before Thy Foundation of thy whole world' Mary, was Not there yet! Know your Scripture. John3:17 Amen!!!
I don't read the KJV. I am fluent in Hebrew in Koin Greek and don't read any parchment that is older than 300 AD. It's the only proper way to read the scriptures. Those who refuse to learn aren't real Christians.
The KJV is an amazing work of art, but not so great as a translation of Scripture. The Latin Vulgate of St Jerome, and other prior translations into Latin or other languages were used as sources, etc.
Since then, biblical scholars have collected older sources, often in the original languages, and otherwise improved the resources available for translation, resulting in newer translations being improved over the past century or two.
As to the rest of your post, you're pretty sure you're right for a "lowly man", to dismiss so readily anything that doesn't fit with your ideas.
Well @JamesP. No one can deny that the Last Copy of the Original KJV circa1611 is and has been housed at The British Museum of Modern Art, under ground, Now Can anyone dispute that? I go by those Scriptures. And Yes they were Translated from the Hebrew Text. John3:17! Amen!!!
I'm Not Closed-minded @JamesP. I'm Not Perfect either, there always has been 'words' added or taken away from scripture, No One on Earth knows thee exact Truth. I just know Christ, is my savior! Peace
Rent-a-preacher strip-mall redneck theologian.
You gotta go back to James the Just, brother of Jesus, the first archbishop of the first church in Jerusalem. Before Paul got involved.
James who agreed with Paul at the Jerusalem Council?
@@jeremysmith7176 It was because your hearts were hard that James wrote you this law. But at the beginning of Christianity, Jesus said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
Therefore what Jesus has commanded, let no one annul.
@@11kravitzn Every Apostle approved of Paul's ministry. Have you read Acts? How can you read that and think Paul was anything but orthodox?
@@11kravitznI don't understand, do you believe the Gospels authentic and reliable (and you should), but not the letters of Paul or Peter? Peter said Paul was right but hard to understand in his letters, and Paul said Peter and the Apostles said nothing that conflicted with what he was saying (and Paul risked his life every day, so there's very little reason to think he was lying.)
@@crusaderACR
And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Cor 11
Paul is calling the other apostles false apostles. Paul says the apostles encouraging circumcision should castrate themselves in Galatians 5:12. The happy story of agreement in Acts is propaganda.
I Praise God, Thru Christ, with The Holy Spirit, Every Religion thinks they have thy answers, most don't have a clue what they're learning or teaching. Question for thy Catholics, Why do ye call thy pope Holy Father? That's Wrong! God, said 'Honor thy father and mother but don't call No one else on Earth thy Father! Ye Do error Greatly! John3:17 Amen!!!