I have the exact same issue as this guy. I'm all arm & wrist when I'm aiming and it's extremely difficult for me to force myself to use my fingers more for micro adjustments when I have thousands of hours of muscle memory subconsciously telling me not to use them at all. Nice vid 👍 really made me think
all wrist and ive gone slower sens to force arm movement only to lose finger movement, wanting to go to a like happy medium or something lol feel all that
Why do you think you never used them in the first place? I have never really thought about it this much but I guess I’ve always just naturally used a combination of fingers, wrist, arm at 50cm/360
wow I was watching this pro player with a mouse cam and he was moving his fingers a lot on top of his mouse. after your video this all makes more sense. i was doing that same method but had a few days where i felt like it was the reason i was missing and stopped having so much finger movement with my mouse. instead I did what this player did and glued my hand to my mouse thinking it was a stability issue. THANK YOU SO MUCH WEST PROTER you always bring conviction to my aim
Just wanna say thank you, listening to your advice for the person in the video helped me fix my own problem now with my mouse and ive gotten better aim since.
When people search “how to get better aim etc” in TH-cam, this is the video they have pictured in their head , yet it’s got 20K views and the channel is undersubscribed.. sad really , awesome video though please keep this up
What would you recommend for someone with small hands trying to learn how to use there fingers more, I find it hard to grip my mouse in a way where I can reach both mouse buttons and have good range on motion I also have a small mouse (orochi v2)
i have no idea if u will respond to this but anyway, for the past few weeks, ive been changing my sens constantly and i have no idea why, sometimes low sens feels right for me and i can drop a 40k game, and then same goes with high, the pain im in bcs i cant get consistency right now and cant find that perfect sens that i will feel comfy with, ive lost a lot o motivation bcs of that and i just dont enjoy getting in any type of comp play (cs) just bcs i have no idea how i will perform
Maybe sensitivity was never the problem to begin with, it's just a placebo that you use to justify issues you can't explain. If a scientist did a study with 2 factors and found a large range of results, with no apparent correlation to the independent variable, the conclusion isn't that he didn't change the independent variable enough or precisely enough, it's that other factors are what is contributing to the variation in the dependent variable.
@@WestProterhey, very interesting answer.. tbh i’m in the same loop as OP . One day popping 30frags every game with 1200dpi 0.4sens and next day can’t even hit a wall anymore. Then switching to 1200dpi 0.15 and hit every goddamn 1 taps, next day again same problem that can’t hit shit with that sens. Your reply makes alot of sense, but now when I think about it, I can’t figure out what could be the problem..
Doesn't fingertip introduce a lot more inconsistency than say palm grip since there's less points of contact? Maybe it's a tradeoff between range of motion and consistency?
I wouldn't say either is better as there's 100 factors in what the biomechanics of controlling recoil would feel like. Mouse shape, mouse size, finger lenghth, weapon, sens, recoil pattern, arm friction, etc. Whatever happens is usually best for you in these cases.
Hey West this is a kinda random question but I was hoping u could answer it for me. So I mainly play Apex (tracking based) on 30cm and I recently picked up Rust (flick based low ttk) on 20cm and I feel like my clicking and mouse control is improving really fast. And i’m a lot more comfortable on higher sens. Am I crazy or does playing different games help mouse control? I aim train regularly and i’m a voltaic plat. thanks man
The shape of the superlight is also not ideal for fingertip grip, especially if you have small to medium hands. The superlight shape heavily encourages a palm grip where your fingers are flat on the mouse. I think it would be the shape limiting your finger movement rather than the weight.
Idk if its just only me but i have a huge problem, when i play kovaaks or aimlabs i unconsciously change my grip but while playing fps my grip is the same all the time, ive been trying to fix that in the past days but it isnt working for me, any tips? Btw my regular grip is claw but when i play aim trainers it changes to a "fingertip/claw hybrid"
for me, I raised my chair higher up to help because on fps u usually don't aim up and down but on aim training, you do much more often, so having an awkward desk height will limit your up and down motion in claw and make it extremely uncomfortable.
Remember the feeling, not the positions. Move around your mouse until you get the same feeling again in game and then stop obessing over it. Being too conscious about your aim makes your aim bad too.
I noticed that I have a better 1wall6targetsSmall score than him and I average better than him but he’s radiant and I’m only ascendant, what could my problem be? You think maybe crosshair placement or gamesense?
That scenario is very basic technical flicking and doesn’t have much to do with Val mechanics. Useful for observing how his arm moves, in no way a judge of aim skill in val. Check out my Val aim training guide from august
Lol so you're supposed to move your fingers as well? Didn't know that lmao but it makes perfect sense. I know I aim better with sort of a fingertip grip but if I don't actively think about it I don't do it. I guess it's time to start training it a bit.
You don't train a new grip, you play with your natural grip and improve by playing the game and or getting a mouse that suits you better and that's it.
You are right, but how do you know your natural grip without trying and training with all sorts of grips? Improve by playing is 100% an fact, no need for people that have played shooters to aim train but when you reach the top you should start again so that you can get consistency. Experience is alot better than having raw aim. And the final part about the mouse is debatable because most gamers either dont want to or have money and or the time to get new mice every month, but for those that actually have the time money and want to, they probably are like this guy already radiant or high immortal ( or even low immortal). What i am trying to say is that its very hard to already know your natural grip unless you try alot of them and trying means also training with them to see your performence.
I want to use fingertip and i do it in kovaaks and in valorant but in a game like fortnite i use side mouse buttons and whenever i click them with a fingertip grip the mouse shakes a bit.
Yo, so the last 8 month ish i have realised, i have kinda a niche grip, i am have a 1-3-1 grip and been fucking around with the more normal 1-2-2 i see the benefits, but when i use the 1-2-2 grip i have the same issue as this guy, where i cant curl my fingers to use my fingers, when i hold 1-3-1 its not an issue. you think its woirth to try learn a prober 1-2-2 grip after many years of playing 1-3-1?
hey i really want to get plat this act ( currently gold was gold 2 but deranked ) and ive been trying out different warm up routines but not alot of them help for the specific thing i need. Do you have a routine i could try for practising micro ajustments?
Videos that are longer than 7 minutes but shorter than 8 minutes are rare because TH-camrs get to turn on midrolls (ads between segments of the video) at 8 minutes.
I dont know much about grips but everyone I see uses a different one from me I don't know if thats me using a suboptimal one but my aim seems pretty good so I have no clue
rip. dw doesn't mean it's a bad mouse. Has plenty of uses. Start building a house? There's your first brick. Home intruder? You have a rock on a rope. Powerlifter? Do some powerlifting.
I think I hold the mouse similar to him, my right two fingers are kind of flat on the side of the mouse as opposed to having the tips on the side of the mouse. Is this a bad thing?
Usually with heavy mice some sacrifices need to be made. Idk exactly what you’ll do, but I don’t think it’s possible to have a lot of finger motion and stability at that weight, so you’ll need to sacrifice something
Man i want that type of coaching. Not that i think its holding me back but its such an interesting topic to experiment and improve on
I have the exact same issue as this guy. I'm all arm & wrist when I'm aiming and it's extremely difficult for me to force myself to use my fingers more for micro adjustments when I have thousands of hours of muscle memory subconsciously telling me not to use them at all.
Nice vid 👍 really made me think
all wrist and ive gone slower sens to force arm movement only to lose finger movement, wanting to go to a like happy medium or something lol feel all that
same
im the opposite, i almost exclusively use my fingers to aim and have to froce myself to do big flick and stuff with my arms
Why do you think you never used them in the first place? I have never really thought about it this much but I guess I’ve always just naturally used a combination of fingers, wrist, arm at 50cm/360
wow I was watching this pro player with a mouse cam and he was moving his fingers a lot on top of his mouse. after your video this all makes more sense. i was doing that same method but had a few days where i felt like it was the reason i was missing and stopped having so much finger movement with my mouse. instead I did what this player did and glued my hand to my mouse thinking it was a stability issue. THANK YOU SO MUCH WEST PROTER you always bring conviction to my aim
can i know that guy name
@@hadan8827 aceu does it. i think the player i was watching was lyric the apex player. lyric is his twitch name he has a hxh pfp
@@SooFragZ man its true, the way he move his hands like a snake 🤣
Just wanna say thank you, listening to your advice for the person in the video helped me fix my own problem now with my mouse and ive gotten better aim since.
When people search “how to get better aim etc” in TH-cam, this is the video they have pictured in their head , yet it’s got 20K views and the channel is undersubscribed.. sad really , awesome video though please keep this up
Great video man! Does "moving your fingers more" apply to something like aggressive claw or is it mostly just for fingertip grip?
Its funny how similar his situation is with mine.
Im going to take your advice heavily
which was the mouse he was using
Is moving my fingers mean that I should also use them in a horizontal way - moving my mouse left and right using my thumb and pinky?
they're more vertical. this can happen, but don't force it
Man im still waiting for the dumb downed all in one valorant playlist 😔. Someday west will upload that video someday.
It’s a back burner project rn, but of my back burner projects it’s #1
@@WestProter wen release
@@mohammadiaa weirdo
@@Precipiceofwind why?
you fool, you release his full power.
What would you recommend for someone with small hands trying to learn how to use there fingers more, I find it hard to grip my mouse in a way where I can reach both mouse buttons and have good range on motion I also have a small mouse (orochi v2)
thank you for helping me get better at val!
awesome content as always !
i have no idea if u will respond to this but anyway, for the past few weeks, ive been changing my sens constantly and i have no idea why, sometimes low sens feels right for me and i can drop a 40k game, and then same goes with high, the pain im in bcs i cant get consistency right now and cant find that perfect sens that i will feel comfy with, ive lost a lot o motivation bcs of that and i just dont enjoy getting in any type of comp play (cs) just bcs i have no idea how i will perform
Maybe sensitivity was never the problem to begin with, it's just a placebo that you use to justify issues you can't explain. If a scientist did a study with 2 factors and found a large range of results, with no apparent correlation to the independent variable, the conclusion isn't that he didn't change the independent variable enough or precisely enough, it's that other factors are what is contributing to the variation in the dependent variable.
@@WestProterhey, very interesting answer.. tbh i’m in the same loop as OP . One day popping 30frags every game with 1200dpi 0.4sens and next day can’t even hit a wall anymore. Then switching to 1200dpi 0.15 and hit every goddamn 1 taps, next day again same problem that can’t hit shit with that sens. Your reply makes alot of sense, but now when I think about it, I can’t figure out what could be the problem..
@@TomOlenLol the problem is your bad
@@TomOlenLol im just kidding i have the same problem as you and op idfk what to do about it lol or what the issue is if it isnt my senz
Doesn't fingertip introduce a lot more inconsistency than say palm grip since there's less points of contact? Maybe it's a tradeoff between range of motion and consistency?
also in valorant you mainly need to be precise horizontally and not so much vertically so I'm wondering if he's fine where he's at
If you have to control recoil when firing full auto is it better to pull down with your fingers only instead of pulling down with whole hand?
I wouldn't say either is better as there's 100 factors in what the biomechanics of controlling recoil would feel like. Mouse shape, mouse size, finger lenghth, weapon, sens, recoil pattern, arm friction, etc. Whatever happens is usually best for you in these cases.
@@WestProter ok cool! thanks for the quick reply 👍
does the guy your teaching have a channel or twitch?
What is your main mousepad with the hsk pro ace or in general
Random cloth one no thought to it
Hey West this is a kinda random question but I was hoping u could answer it for me. So I mainly play Apex (tracking based) on 30cm and I recently picked up Rust (flick based low ttk) on 20cm and I feel like my clicking and mouse control is improving really fast. And i’m a lot more comfortable on higher sens. Am I crazy or does playing different games help mouse control? I aim train regularly and i’m a voltaic plat. thanks man
I mean you’re practicing on 20cm and isolating different skills, so it could help
@@WestProter Thanks man
Sens is personal, i've always played slightly higher than average but i'd say the average sens in r
@@KAANEJ is 33cm per 360 high or low sens?
@@xposex1052 high, doesn't mean it's bad tho
Just got subbed im new on mnk nice vid🐐
i use a superlight which is 63 grams and found some trouble incorporating finger movement, is that weight heavy enough that it would be an issue?
Too heavy for me, not sure if it’ll work for you
The shape of the superlight is also not ideal for fingertip grip, especially if you have small to medium hands. The superlight shape heavily encourages a palm grip where your fingers are flat on the mouse. I think it would be the shape limiting your finger movement rather than the weight.
I have sweaty palms and it hard for me to hold my mouse even with grip tape on. What should i do with my grip?
Which Gwolves mouse is that?
why do u have cs go instead of valorant in description ? curiosity question only
I usually don't set that. Sometimes yt auto makes it cs.
Idk if its just only me but i have a huge problem, when i play kovaaks or aimlabs i unconsciously change my grip but while playing fps my grip is the same all the time, ive been trying to fix that in the past days but it isnt working for me, any tips? Btw my regular grip is claw but when i play aim trainers it changes to a "fingertip/claw hybrid"
i have the exact same problem, dunno how to solve it
for me, I raised my chair higher up to help because on fps u usually don't aim up and down but on aim training, you do much more often, so having an awkward desk height will limit your up and down motion in claw and make it extremely uncomfortable.
@@azeriusfrost Im going to try that in the next days, thanks
just be conscious about where ur resting ur hand on the mouse so u have the same grip every time
Remember the feeling, not the positions. Move around your mouse until you get the same feeling again in game and then stop obessing over it. Being too conscious about your aim makes your aim bad too.
What are your thoughts on the HSK pro? I’ve got the Ace coming in a few days and can’t wait to use it
Enjoy it, wish it was a bit bigger but the size weight trade off wouldn’t be worth it with any current mice
Interesting, I think, not moving your fingers means you're aiming with your shoulder a lot, which can't be as precise when you think about it.
ya
what types of grip exist and what is best for valorant? I used to grip palm like to aim in tf2 as sniper but had to change it for valorant
so what was the consensus?
what mouse does he have
I noticed that I have a better 1wall6targetsSmall score than him and I average better than him but he’s radiant and I’m only ascendant, what could my problem be? You think maybe crosshair placement or gamesense?
That scenario is very basic technical flicking and doesn’t have much to do with Val mechanics. Useful for observing how his arm moves, in no way a judge of aim skill in val. Check out my Val aim training guide from august
mechanics only take you so far my friend, much more to the game than just being mechanically gifted with raw aim
I cant believe you helped wheres981
Who
@@WestProter Lmao his discord picture is from another youtuber all jokes
Lol so you're supposed to move your fingers as well? Didn't know that lmao but it makes perfect sense. I know I aim better with sort of a fingertip grip but if I don't actively think about it I don't do it. I guess it's time to start training it a bit.
I have this same type of mouse grip as this man here
Audio's a bit quiet in these vids, good stuff though
You don't train a new grip, you play with your natural grip and improve by playing the game and or getting a mouse that suits you better and that's it.
Nah, i changed grips when i wanted to and it became the natural grip, you just dum as hell
You are right, but how do you know your natural grip without trying and training with all sorts of grips? Improve by playing is 100% an fact, no need for people that have played shooters to aim train but when you reach the top you should start again so that you can get consistency. Experience is alot better than having raw aim. And the final part about the mouse is debatable because most gamers either dont want to or have money and or the time to get new mice every month, but for those that actually have the time money and want to, they probably are like this guy already radiant or high immortal ( or even low immortal). What i am trying to say is that its very hard to already know your natural grip unless you try alot of them and trying means also training with them to see your performence.
I know you said the dot method on the mouse to keep a consistent grip is bad, so would grips like so spacers be bad for consistency?
I want to use fingertip and i do it in kovaaks and in valorant but in a game like fortnite i use side mouse buttons and whenever i click them with a fingertip grip the mouse shakes a bit.
Ya I hate side buttons. Always try to find a way around them
Yo, so the last 8 month ish i have realised, i have kinda a niche grip, i am have a 1-3-1 grip and been fucking around with the more normal 1-2-2 i see the benefits, but when i use the 1-2-2 grip i have the same issue as this guy, where i cant curl my fingers to use my fingers, when i hold 1-3-1 its not an issue. you think its woirth to try learn a prober 1-2-2 grip after many years of playing 1-3-1?
Pincer grip is really good with his problem that he needs to address the problem is he's all wrist aimer, pincer grip is better for arm.
hey i really want to get plat this act ( currently gold was gold 2 but deranked ) and ive been trying out different warm up routines but not alot of them help for the specific thing i need. Do you have a routine i could try for practising micro ajustments?
micro shot, microflex, and deathmatches is all you will really need for horizontal micro adjustments in valorant IMO
homie has that swimteam pfp
Can anyone explain why no kill effect although he has a prime :)
Btw west can i get the code for the aleksander val playlist u made. Thanks🐥
this should link you to all his playlist including Aleksandars docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E8QnExIHykbU0ApgDJEkFI1nxBm1sxRFM6LOOk6RxF8/edit#gid=0
@@elijahtaufui3319 thanks mate😄
I didn’t make it, I just have the aleks playlist downloaded
@@sainder5248 if u want the download i have it lol
th-cam.com/video/W873BfBEuPo/w-d-xo.html nvm its right here
cool video length
Videos that are longer than 7 minutes but shorter than 8 minutes are rare because TH-camrs get to turn on midrolls (ads between segments of the video) at 8 minutes.
@@WestProter That wasn't what I was going after but that's good to know. OSU! players will know the true meaning of my comment.
I use claw grip the the back of the mouse touching my palm but it’s hard to get any finger action involved how can I improve that ?
Just play around with it. I can’t give specific instructions as everyone is different, but just try to find a way to use them.
U cant use finger motion in a claw grip, u have to use a fingertip grip
I dont know much about grips but everyone I see uses a different one from me I don't know if thats me using a suboptimal one but my aim seems pretty good so I have no clue
It is after the vid that i realise that my mouse weights 100 gramms😂
rip. dw doesn't mean it's a bad mouse. Has plenty of uses. Start building a house? There's your first brick. Home intruder? You have a rock on a rope. Powerlifter? Do some powerlifting.
I have only 97grams omg didn't know that info until now😮
@@WestProter Oh my fucking god I'm crying 😭💖
Would you say palm, finger or claw grip is the best for valorant?
i went out of my comfort grip (palm) to finger. I'm never going back to palm
TLDR: Let your fingers think
hey i have a question i have a viper 8k and should i be using higher dpi or lower ? currently on 800 dpi mostly playing valorant and csgo any tips ?
Doesn’t matter much though higher is technically slightly better to avoid pixel skipping
Wait so u dont use feet to grip mouse?
No
I used my ears bro this is beyond me
I think I hold the mouse similar to him, my right two fingers are kind of flat on the side of the mouse as opposed to having the tips on the side of the mouse. Is this a bad thing?
Doesn’t sound bad in itself. Focus on function rather than appearance. Can you move the mouse with your fingers?
Anyone get the Kovaak’s key for steam yet???
unfortunately it wasn't hidden well enough
Thats exactly how i hold my Mouse wow
It's the android grip search up nrg android grip if you want more info
@@YuquVaL thank you very much i will look it up
600 hours is more than I have in valorant
I have a question, should you use mouse buttons or does that screw up ur aim when pressing them?
I don’t like them
@@WestProter do you think it can affect your aim
@@Slayer2o yes because it changes your grip.
depends what actions you bind to them
@@EnormousDuck2 I bind them to my weapons
i started to watch this video for the information and found out this man kill me in a dm at 0:24. wtf im ragekiller btw.
Trust me I coached a guy as he killed you
all these kids talm bout grip dont have massive giga grips like me, lets be inclusive here...
WYSI 727 when you see it
his mouse grip looks goofy af
I have the same issues
How to make tension lower on a heavier mouse? My mouse is 80g
Usually with heavy mice some sacrifices need to be made. Idk exactly what you’ll do, but I don’t think it’s possible to have a lot of finger motion and stability at that weight, so you’ll need to sacrifice something
@@WestProter interesting, I'm using a claw grip like Tenz but I changed to a 122 grip. What sacrifices do you mean in finger motion and stability?
Bro basically said nothing
mouse is 92 grams and ima b2
WYSI
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such a bad video
yes. I'm actually kinda surprised it got 180k views, was considering not uploading.
I got the code but someone already used it. SADGE
PS: video was upload 1hr ago
L. We’re trying to get it hidden better each week, so I’ll try to hide it better
@@WestProter nahhh i find it the first time watching but i was late i guess. I better turn the 🔔 on from now
@@WestProter use a small enough font that we need microscopes