Fits pretty neatly, but Treesicle failed to note the "shell-shocked killing machine" factor of the White Walkers making peace with them impossible, and he didn't imagine an end bittersweet enough. Jon is condemned as a traitor, but is "punished" with exile to the Free Folk he's come to love. Sansa becomes Queen in the North, but her family is finally scattered beyond repair. Arya becomes the adventuress she's wanted to be since childhood, after years of hardship. And it's entirely possible that Bran himself, the king CHOSEN by the country who will rule for a single generation and leave no heir, has plans of his own.
I frantically searched for this video after episode 5 because he absolutely nailed it (except for the white walkers), and anyone who didn't see Daenerys going fully mad and bloodlust for power hasn't been paying attention and only want to get mad at D&D
@@SVOkid86 people are so mad about "character arcs" like they were supposed to end to the greatest of your satisfaction in the first place... this guy was spot on
To be frank the white walker solution this guy made was much better than the show one,and i am okay with dany being mad and i was calling to the execution of D&D that was very poorly
Im sure its been mentioned but you had said that Snow was the only one to still have a living direwolf. I didn't realize this until the last episode for some reason, but Nimeria, Arya's pup, was never killed. Arya got her to run off by throwing rocks at her because she knew they would want to kill her for biting the prince. Not gonna lie, really looking forward to the adventures of Arya the wolf, Westero's most deadly assassin.
to be perfectly honest, we specifically said that Jon was the only one who still had his direwolf, not that Ghost was the only one alive. We made sure to make that distinction in the video because we did realize that Nymeria was still alive.
I think arya will actually die in the books, but have warged into her wolf at the last second to lead the army pack of wolves. In the books it's often stated how she feels lost without her pack (a metaphor for her losing all her family members) and I think she will find a much more literal pack by the end of the novels.
Dashinati if what u think is ri8 then i think Macumber is the author of the story and in his eyes means actually in his brain. That is this whole game of thrones is just an imagination by someone and not true. Which is in fact true.
OMG you are so right! When I first heard that line, I felt as though it had a much greater/broader meaning than some other folk may have initially noticed.
Could have been a cool way to let his fans know what to expect. But actually Martin said it was going to be a bittersweet ending. But from him, it also could be a weird form of happiness. We'll see!
I think Treesicle has it right but forgot to add that after Jon turns the throne down, the Imp. Tyrion Lannister takes the throne because he actually has Targaryen blood too. He's not a Lannister.
Ned Stark NEVER said that HE killed Ser Arthur. He even said: "Ser Arthur Dayne, the greatest swordsman I've ever seen. He would've killed me, but for Howland Reed".
exactly! the comment i wanted to write just when i saw the video: Ned admitted openly that Arthur Dayne was way better than him and would have easily defeated him if were not outnumbered and ofc Howland Reed. The stories that Ned defeated Arthur Dayne were made up by others.
Salvador Allende Martin: Who's the viewers favorite character? Tyrion? What's this? Their favorite character isn't dead yet? Let us, SMASH THAT GOOD FORTUNE INTO OBLIVION
Did you miss the whole point? The Feudal system is abolished. That's the ending. Now sure Jon and Trion might help a lot and Be like presidents or Consuls or something but that"s it.
Salvador Allende People seem to forget about the producing of an heir for some reason. Daenerys can't have children either. And even if Jon does marry ( I don't think he will) he won't procreate with his own blood. The iron throne will either belong to Sansa and Tyrion or Gendry and Arya. No incest necessary.
Yep he said bittersweet ending but he didn't say who gets it. My guess is Arya and several more main characters get got like when Omar got it in the Wire
Martin likes to fuck with people's expectation. But beyond anything, he likes to write a good story. A story that only purpose is to fuck up expectations is no good story.
I'm very glad to have to heard Treesicle denounce Daenerys as someone who is bringing chaos and destruction. I mean people, Daenerys Targaryean is bringing foreign sellswords, she's bringing ironborn reaver so, she's bring dolthraki screamers, and some I assume are good people.
She is literally bringing over 100,000 people known for raping and pillaging over on ships from houses and families who have beef with the rest of Westeros. If she thinks after she gets the throne he there will be anything left to rule she has another thing coming.,
Very well played, Mr. Trump. Very well played indeed.Here's the irony to it, though. Just like Trump, it's all about perspective.Daenerys is all about "Slavery is bad, mm'kay". Ergo, she's a 'Good Guy', because if you counter her then you (flawed logic syndrome) must support Slavery. So of like Hillary, if you oppose Hillary Clinton then (flawed logic syndrome) you're obviously a Sexist.Daenerys has a pure intent. A Righteous Cause. The Throne IS a Targaryean Throne, the Blood Right (as far as she knows, since it's doubtful she knows Jon is her Brother, and her other Older Brother is dead after getting the Crown he deserved) is HERS, by Blood.You know, the thing those silly Beratheon boys tried to claim. Blood Rights.Now, in that period it was common that blood was answered with blood. You killed my Nephew, I kill your Uncle. 200 Years later, Hatfield and McCoy's or Romeo and Juliet and no one knows who REALLY started it.Lannister killed her Father, the very Lannister that served as his Hand. Boratheon took her Throne.Answering Blood with Blood, it is the RIGHT of Daenerys to take back her Throne, and her RIGHT to hunt down the Lannister's (or Boratheon's if unaware that Lannister was the actual Killer, since they didn't take the Throne). Not to mention... if you are of Dragons and can't be burned by Fire... really I mean... do you have BETTER credentials for Ruling the World than THAT? In fact, Ned Stark would agree with me... if he still had his head about him. How do we know this? Because he was keeping Jon Snow alive because Jon Snow is the TRUE HEIR to the Throne, because he's Targaryean. House Stark, at least as far as under Ned, was Pro-Targaryean, but smart enough to not advertise this at such a tumultuous time. The HONOR of Stark lead him to see that the Throne belongs, by Birth, to Jon... and if Jon were dead, to Daenerys (who he also protected in his short time as the Hand).
yeah, one of the surest predictions we can make about the next season is that her wolf will find her again now that shes back in westeros, but thats the one guess i havent seen ANYONE make.
She doesn't want a Crown.She flat out told us this already. She shifted from taking the Throne that is hers, to breaking the machine.Has everyone forgot her conversation with Tyrian already? She wants to break the system now, that is her driving force.
I agree. The biggest giveaway was in 6x10, where upon leaving Mereen she told Daario that she intends to leave power to the people to 'choose their own leaders'. Personally I think that particular line foreshadows how she intends to do this upon her 'conquering' of Westeros. This will end with the birth of democracy in Westeros, and that may well be the entire point of the story. I may well be wrong, but it's as good a theory as any other I've heard.
AR21 She will take the Throne, then she will Destroy the system. She flatly stated to Tyrian when he was discussing with her how power is gained that she didn't want to play the Game, but to destroy it.
A 'Dislike' is just a 'Like' of the other side. Anyway, interesting elaboration on a theory (or perhaps set of theories) that has been out there a while. My main reason for scepticism is that it seems to overstate the case against Dany. She is willing to compromise and does listen to competing points of view. She took Tyrion's advice for example and it got her a bunch of ships. Also, she's quite flexible politically and agreed to Yarra's request for a Iron Island's equivalent of a 'Brexit'*. Sure she wants the Iron Throne but so have a lot of people and as you say yourself Jon does *not* want it, so there's no reason for conflict there.
The only reason she was open to suggestions so far is because she doesn't want to endanger the chances for the one thing she desires - Iron Throne. She's devoted to getting it more than religiously. To suggest that she could be convinced that war against those who oppose her is wrong, especially after she came while riding a dragon into real battle is silly. Imho ;)
Fair points definitely. Plus we can add that Tyrion is a peaceful guy looking for comprises not wars. I don't think Dany will turn out to be the great villain, i think she will die while fighting the Walkers, maybe with her dragons too. Maybe she will play a great role in the conflict and Jon will end it by establishing peace with the Walkers. The show doesn't need more villains as there are plenty of them still alive (yeah.. and don't miss walkers as villains too)
I LOVE this video! Very intriguing take on the story. I can believe that Dany is the villain because she and her family represent the old, chaotic, magic filled past, while the Starks represent the new democratic Westeros. If there is final monarch, I think it will be Sansa Stark. Queen Elizabeth the First vibes.
This makes so much sense.... and I fucking hate it..... I think most of us have seen Danny slowing darkening... I really do see her becoming the darkness in this show in the final season.... I hope it does not go that way though.
***** lol like contradicting yourself much? it will not end the same as the books as there not the same or identical, nowhere in game of thrones is she shown to be evil. Her becoming evil would be the most cliché thing ever and does not make sense, it is not black and white of which you make it out to be
I'd even add that Jon Snow, after refusing the Iron Throne, might return to the north and volunteer to become a white walker, whether by challenging the Ice King to combat and taking on his role as leader of the undead army or acting as peace negotiator with the Ice King. A male of royal blood has to be better than an incest-born baby of a wildling.
i disagree, i dont think benjen is important at all to the overarching story, just to save bran and perhaps bring some useful information to jon about the white walkers
I think sometimes we're so busy looking for the answers that we miss the important questions. Questions like: why, exactly, after thousands of years, are the White Walkers coming down from the LoAW to invade Westeros in the first place? Is it just because of a new Long Night, or is something else going on? And why was the Night King so intrigued by Jon?
I've seen a lot of people think that the night king is an ancient stark. The guy they turned into the night king anyway. There is clearly something about the Starks that connects them to all things ice in the north. But I totally agree, the big question is why are the white walkers returning now. That is the answer I want most.
What happened that was super magical and marked the sky in the first book? A red comet. Could of also been a symbol for the walkers. Also, there have been several Night's Kings. the one you saw in the flashback is NOT the one you see in the North leading the horde.
I heard something along the lines of the White Walkers move south when they feel the presence of Dragons. Both are considered long gone/extinct, but what a coincidence that both reappear around the same time.
I think that a central theme of the whole story is the return of magic to this fictional world (the world of Ice and Fire), especially to Westeros. Magic is a force of nature in that world, and at the time the story begins, that force is on the rise. The rise of the Walkers, the return of direwolves to south of the Wall, the return of dragons, the red comet, the return of the power of the warlocks in Qarth, the return of greenseer powers (Bran, Jojen Reed), priests being able to work more miracles, etc etc. (By the way, my theory is that in the world of Ice and Fire, there don't exist any "gods". The "miracles of gods" are "just" regular magic, which the priests explain or interpret as their god's will. Actually it's magic, not any "god's will". E.g. when Melisandre says that Jon Snow is living because the Lord of Light willed it, she is wrong (once again). Melisandre is able to channel magical powers, and intuitively she was able to do it "right" when trying to revive Jon Snow (because she has centuries of experience after all, and because magic is on the rise). Just my theory.) Magic was never wholly gone from the world, but it has been sleeping, and is now rising again. So I think that the Walkers are invading right now, because the Night's King feels that his powers rise again, and that there is a long winter coming (possibly these two facts are connected as well). So the question is not the "when", it is the "why". Or to put it another way: "What is the central agenda of the White Walkers/the Night's King?"
As some other people here have already noted: I also think that in the TV series, the Walkers are portrayed much more villainous than in the books. So it could very well be, that in the series the Night's King indeed plays some sort of Dark Lord, while in the books the "Walkers vs Dragons" theme will be more grey.
I love that theory. makes the most logical sense when you really see where the story is heading at this point. good job on this one guys and by the end of it all, if you guys are right, drinks are on me!
in my opinion the real "bad guy" wants everything especially iron throne more than everyone is our sweet Uncle Petyr (aka: Little finger) (sorry for using your comment :'( )
Actually I take that back, I'm reading through the books and at one point Varys grows a beard. His beard is black, not white. TV show Varys might be different though.
Every fucking character got their happy ending expect Dany, Night King. Cersei and Jamie died but they died together in each other arms soo it was a fucking lie...
Of all the 'How will game of thrones end?" videos I've seen, I believe the series will end exactly like this! I fully agree that GRRM is gonna shit on expectations, especially when alot of people are expecting and hoping for a Jon/Dany wedding! And yeah, despite GRRM admitting that Tolkien's work seems "cartoonish" I still think GRRM has drawn many inspiration from the LotR series! If we are to draw parallels between the two worlds, then Yes, Dany is most certainly The Dark Lord Sauron of Westeros. That would make Jon Snow the Aragorn, Samwell Tarly the Samwise Gamgee and Bran Stark the Frodo. Question is, where would The White Walkers fit in? The Answer is, they are the parallels to the "Dead Men of Dunharrow!" Or, "The Army of the Dead!" Aragorn, along with Legolas and Gimli left the Rohirrim in search for more allies just before the War of Gondor. Aragorn faced the leader with his new blade and tells them that "if the army fights for him, he will hold their oaths fulfilled!" And so in last moments of the war, the army of the dead layed waste to Sauron's army, ending the battle. I believe Jon Snow will make a deal or broker peace with the Night's King and will become allies in the final war between Jon Snow and Dany!
I think deanery done a lot of bad. She has said many times unless you help me I will burn your cities and stuff like that and when not getting what she wants she turn really bad. So no doubt is she not a good person and she likes to sleep with the most cruel murderers as well. Although I don't think she wants to kill everyone like Sauron. She is just a typical power grabbing person/state who happens to get special amount of powers with her dragons. She is basically very similar to Cersei and even Sansa has that level of greed in her. A version of United states as a nation with the dragons being nukes. Going into middle east dictatorships looking for resources while setting people free and making it actually worse for them. Then just leave them in chaos and go back to the west. It is a very fitting analogy. I think you can make peace with her though and that will happen in the end and well the dragon may have to die as they are well hard to justify as being nice creatures and then have some socialistic reforms in the end. Not seeing the white walkers as warriors for good either in any way. Although you may make peace with them I guess.
Just remember guys. The reason Jon doesn't want power is because he feels it is not in his blood. I think when he finds his true lineage he will go through some serious changes
Mostly 2 seasons left. The creators of series mentioned that there are 13 episodes left after season 6. Since the story goes bigger and epic, shooting 10 episodes within year is difficult. Hence most likely we will see 6 ep. in season 7 and remaining in 8.
However, HBO doesn't want it to finish so early as they want to be in competition with walking dead and other series. So they might try to stretch it more.
I can agree with so many things in this theory but I'd like to add another bit people want power so if Jon refuses the throne there will be another rebellion , another war, another 'demon' created by the 'good' guys, so Jon when informed by bran with his future sight thing , he will know to take the throne and not be a dick...
nah, if they were going to do that, they wouldnt have killed him, and brought him back already, just had him turn then, or later. but the certainly wouldnt have begun the whole reincarnation thing.
+CurvingFyre “Talos” dying would just turn him into a white not a white walker the night king would have to turn him into one or pass on his power is some way. still a possibility but we'll see.
Or Uncle Benjen becomes the new Nights King, Bran the New Bloodraven Sansa as Queen of the North, Daenerys as Queen of the South, and Jon marrying either Arya or Lyanna Mormont as King of the Seven Kingdoms. A recent video deleted due to copyright, suggests that Daenerys will try to conquer King's Landing but her Dragons will light up the batches of Wildfire killing millions. Jon will marry Daenerys only for a time. Then in Azor Ahai fashion stabs her and her spirit goes into the sword bringing back Lightbringer. Jon arises as Azor Ahai but the Nights King leads them to truce with The Children and perhaps abandon Feudalism.
I think the Burning Legion will give up on Azeroth after multiple tries and will focus on Game of Thrones world instead. They will defeat the White Walkers and Ilidain Stormrage will sit on the Iron Throne. Think about it. White Walkers = Ice. Burning Legion = Fire. Also, Ragnar Lothbrok will sail into the blackwater but gets betrayed.
Christian R obviously, she and dreadlord Jaina have been working together for years to bring the Legion to Westeros. The current Invasion of Azeroth is just a misdirection to throw the army of the light and the void lords of guard
I always imagined the final shot of Game of Thrones being the Iron Throne rusting away being abandoned completely, due to all the pain and suffering the pursuit for it caused.
If you remember correctly, Arya's direwolf ran off in the first season and it was sansa's that was killed instead. So the part where you say "Jon's direwolf is the only one left" is wrong. It's just Arya's is missing and has been missing for the past 5 1/2 seasons
They've mentioned it in passing a couple of times, mostly just giving the brotherhood without banners some issues. I hope we eventually get more than this!
I retract my previous statement... he doesn't say that Ghost is the only Direwolf left... he states that Jon is the only "Stark" to have his Direwolf... and in a literal context, this is true
SPOILER ALERT!! The ending would be: a story which has been told repeatedly for thousands of years, until it becomes a myth.. about bran the builder, a story of brandon stark who actually trying to change the past and the fate of white walker which he has been telling through symbols of spirals and tenta (1st season 1 ep) and did not succeed until Game of Thrones age. 2nd ending could be: GOT is trying to teach us lesson about how power can drive humanity insane. That is why they created the white walker, to diminish all humans and let nature wins at last. 3nd ending: a tale told by Samwel Tarly from the Citadel called the Song of Ice and Fire. 4th ending: we all live inside the blue eyed giant (white walker) controlled by bran's mind
I FUCKING LOVE THIS. THERES NO WAY THEY CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS. I know the great GGRM is smart enough to do something similar but I really hope homeboys D&D take notes!!
Maybe the person who will take the throne isn't even born making the book even longer and complected and a giant shit on all your theories. I do hope Lyanna Mormont will be the Iron Queen but it would be to easy.
John snow becomes a white walker to broker the truce between men and the white walkers despite ppl wanting him to take up his birth right, LF finally gets what he wants with Sansa
Tin foil hate time: In skyrim, there is a civil war between the imperials and the stormcloaks, who are mirror images of the Northern and Southern houses of westerros. The Southerners say the religion of the 7 is the correct way, as the imperials say that the correct god in the 9 daedric gods which or represented by human emotion. But the Northerners pray to the the wearwoods and the first men, as the Stormcloaks pray to Talos, one of the first men of their world. Also the way the Stormcloaks base of operations Windhelm is very Winterhold looking, also the imperial city of solitude is even set very similarly as Kingslanding. There even is a small dispute between two Houses in Skyrim, The Northern Gray manes vs the Southern Battle borns. Very very similar to Lannisters and Starks if you ask me.
jon snow took the horn of the ice and called out the ice dragon sleeping beyond the north. then he rides the ice dragon and fought along with the white walkers. yes.
I agreee BUT I don't why but I still think that Arya and Sansa have a more important role and we are ignoring it. Just as Lena Headey said in a interview "I think it will be the stark girls"
So, this would make sense if Hodor changed to a whitewalker and Bram talks with him. That Bram brings both, John Snow and the Whitewalkers together because the Whitewalkers knew the coming of the Dragon Mother and of course are gaining numbers of more walkers to fight her regardless of how to get the bodies. So when john has bram strike a deal, so does their uncle show up in a scene meeting Danaris and is burned to show that she will become a mad queen, completely destroying the Queen and in that moment, Jami stabs his sister and suddenly have the new light bringer show, followed by the use of the magic swords. I gotta work on this some more thinking on it but I could see that after a war, one dragon lost, suddenly to temporary retreat while the white walkers just wanted to be left alone make a big wall again and to suddenly have the next gen of "beware the dragon mother is coming again." Does make so much sense. Thank you Treesickle.
Author has forgotten about the prophecy that was made for Sersei...She will be replaced by Queen that is younger and more beautiful...And yes it's not Dany...Dany will probably die closer to the end and who's from fitting women characters left? Only Sansa...
Jon will become the new Night's King (to give the current one a break via death). He is the prince that was promised to the white walkers and must roam the land beyond the wall for thousands of years (for our sins) until a new prince is delivered.
The Others don't want to destroy all life. They just need a constant supply of sacrifice. Every 8 thousand years or so they need the sacrifice of a prince of Ice and Fire. Our greatest, purest hero becomes our most dreaded enemy. After 8000 years Jon will show up on a dead horse and say "Where the new prince @?" Think about it. The current Night King was a Stark when he was alive. Ever wonder why the Starks have all these special warging powers and why they thrive in Winter? It's because they are related to the Knight's King. The north remembers that it is always a Stark that saves their ass from the Others. The funny thing is that they don't even remember why they need to remember, they just remember cause they remember having to remember. It's like the movie Memento but backwards.
Doesn't matter, Gendry is a bastard of Robert but Jon has blood of both Stark and Targaryan making him the rightful Hier after the Mad kings death, the only reason Robert was crowned king was because he ordered all other targaryen hier to be killed.
Robert got the throne by right of conquest. Just like Aegon. Although having the other heirs killed was kinda the icing on top, since his grandmother was a Targaryen, giving him some sort of tiny claim.
Ieuan Hamilton-Bass Why doesn't it matter? Neither Stark nor Targaryan having a claim for the current throne (they could only conquer it like robert did). Gendry might be a bastard but he is roberts (the one who actually conquered the iron throne) only known son. In my opinion, he's the only heir who has a right to sit on the throne.
I know what you are saying but Robert never legitimized him so unfortunatly that means he doesn't have a claim tot he throne, atleast he won't when the Targaryan's be it Dany or Jon, take the throne back.
+Ieuan Hamilton-Bass Jon I'd a bastard and he is now king in the north I think if gendry comes back he will use Jon being like him to his advantage if he goes for the throne but do I think he will go for the throne no
I think the main 'bad-doer' is Baelish. If you think about it, littlefinger is behind everything, including all of the wars; telling Catelyn Stark that the dagger used in Bran's assassination attempt is what kicked everything off
Yeah. She's too likable, so It seems as though Martin WANTS you to like this character, so that in the end she will turn out to be evil and it would be a huge plot twist.
FireLexFtw No I disliked Danny in the beginning for a different reason. I felt she was just there to be Khal Drogo's sex toy. I liked her more later on but then she became a whiny, self entitled bitch who ran her country to the ground out of sheer incompetence.
This has been speculated upon, but is unlikely to happen. Just because the overarching theme is that 'War is bad mmmmkay' doesn't mean that the characters will act in accordance with that moral.
I don't think this theory makes sense. Having Westeros achieve lasting peace through diplomacy with the WWs in a story that supposedly "realistic" seems like more of a stretch than Jon and Dany having a political marriage. In fact, at least in the show, it seems like the latter may be the case. Also brokering peace with the Others is a bad idea, story wise. We are not invested in them, so anything that's done in that respect will feel one sided. Not only that, but I think you overstate GRRM anti-war message. It seems to me he's far more concerned with describing the reality of the combat and politics of late middle ages than giving us the idealized cliched boilerplate response to it. Wars are already bad enough without a public service announcement at the end. More than likely the WW are just a plot device. A common threat the divided forces of Men will rally against for one final time, and then the ensuing war will rewrite the borders, setting the stage for future conflicts, maybe even a hint of their return. The reason I think this is because Dany has the weapons that Jon needs against the Others: dragons; wildfire, if she can get it before Cersei blows it up; the ingredients to make dragon glass, more than likely; and the most fearless fighting force in the world.That's no accident. Setting all that up just to have nothing to be resolved- and shaking hands with the WW isn't resolve - in is something even unpredictable GRRM wouldn't do. Lastly, GRRM probably has less power over the direction of GoT than he does his own books, as you can tell once the show outstripped the books. The series is far more predictable than the books, but that isn't really a bad thing. Life is often predictable. I think the true end is this: Dany's going to clean up in the south, not without trouble, and will turn her ire against the north where Jon will be more concerned with WWs than her. She will threaten war against the "Stark" traitor, but Bran's news of Jon's lineage will be the grounds of a tenuous peace. This alliance will probably lead to a political marriage orchestrated by Tyrion. This peace through diplomacy will only serve as the grounds for a human vs WW war; not the end of it; so expect Jon and Dany to get married well before the last episode. Jon is going to struggle against Dany to get her to cooperate with a defense against the WWs. They both finally come to an understanding. One of them or both die, and the successor of Jon, if not Jon himself, will hold the Iron Throne for a time in relative peace, but will leave no heir, sowing the seeds of the next round of conflict; except this time, you have raping, pillaging, Dothraki in the main land. Evidence of a political union against the WWs over WWs peace with evil Dany: 1. Wars are bad, but generally shape the political and cultural climate after they are waged, and bringing about "peace" under bad conditions can often foment climate for new wars as an unintended consequence. Namely, the treaty of Versailles leading to WWII; the execution of Saddam leading to ISIS; conquering of Slavers Bay leading to economic and political instability. Shaking hands with the WWs is more than likely not going to change this any more than all out war with them would. In fact, I think humans rally against a common nonhuman foe would do more to change relations within the 7 kingdoms than an accord with the WWs. 2. An evil Dany would only be a penultimate villain. Even if she was the Big Bad, she will only be so in the sense that she would keep humanity from protecting itself against a larger threat. 3. Tyrion is friends of both Jon and Dany. 4. Sansa knows Tyrion is a good man. 5. R+L=J seems to concern humans more than WWs. 6. CoF created WWs as a weapon against humans. Never once mentioned any conditions to stop them. In fact, they imply that war with them is the only way. 7. Jon Snow doesn't care about ruling, which makes him a good choice for a king, not to be the guy to hash out a deal with Ice wizards. Tyrion's better for that. 8. If Humans still have conflicts leading up the the WW armistice, how is that going to change, afterwards? It makes far more sense for humans to rally around a common cause than to do so after the crisis is averted. 9. This is a human story. The WWs are pretty much an undeveloped plot device.
The WWs are called "the others" in the books. Their purpose is to show how in real life people tend to dehumanize their enemies in war, making them out to be almost monsters, as different from us as animals, which in turn makes it possible for decent people to do by the millions what only evil people would do on their own - killing, torturing and generally mistreating the "others", who are stripped of their humanity. Also, there is no "Big Bad" - war and ignorance of the other side are the negative forces of the story, all characters could be viewed as their victims (yes, even the Boltons).
Have we tried reasoning with islamic terrorist? Have we cut off their funding by our CIA yet? There's always two sides to a story. We will never know. Same concept of diplomacy with the WWs applies in our time.
Yeah but what about this - white walkers were made easily, using magic. Three eyed raven was obviously involved with the Children. So I strongly believe that WWs can be eradicated after the need for them has passed. Maybe they even disappear on their own. Obviously they haven't disappeared yet because the strategy against them was wrong, or it simply wasn't the time. Either way something needs to happen, that hasn't happened before. Or Martin goes with the old 'history repeating itself' - mankind learns that war is wrong after all of the known world has suffered loss (which already happened pretty much), they live in peace for a while, shit hits the fan again, the Children make WWs, fast forward to a new wall etc. That kind of thinking, while a chiche, agrees with 1) wars being bad 2) nature of man being greedy. I dunno, but whatever happens the show will be a very lame version of it.
He didn't decline it. He claimed it for Robert, when he found Jaime Lannister seated there. It was Robert's rebellion after all, it would have been a dick move. Plus, Robert had a blood claim to the throne, as the Baratheons were related to the Targaryens. I don't think Jon will deny the Throne. I think he'll have it destroyed. But there's a lot to be seen till then.
John Hetherton Ned had the chance to claim the Iron throne. Robert was an usurper, blood-related or not, he was not in the line of succession. Ned gave the Iron throne to Robert due to his honor. Snatching it from under his nose may be a dick move, but it could leave the seven kingdoms in a much better state. Good actions are not always wise, and evil actions are not always unwise. Ned is a person who would strive to always do good regardless, which is why he died the way he did. I don't see what destroying the throne would do. It's simply a symbol of the monarchy, after all. Destroying it wouldn't help in any way. If anything it might even lead to a civil war since suddenly you don't need a right or linage to rule. It would just lead to a bunch of tyrants taking control of land.
Do you know if it was called 'Robert's Rebellion' during it or called that after he sat the Iron Throne. I mean, in all honesty, it was a Stark Rebellion as much as a Baratheon one. Ned lost his father, brother, and sister. Robert just lost a wife(although one he never stopped loving, so I'll give some points to that), but I'm pretty sure Ned thought the pre-rebellion Robert would have been a good fit for king, but he really deteriorated after the rebellion
I've said it the entire time. Two things I've said since my friend put me on to this show and I watched Episode 1. Okay, 3 things I've said.1. House Stark is my favorite (which is intended, they were the Good Guy in this Shell Game for us all to get behind with an emotional investment).2. The Throne is Targaryean. This will never change. So the Boratheon kids arguing over Blood Rights is silly.3. House Stark, at least under Ned, AGREE it's a Targaryean Throne... which gets proven by Ned twice. Once in which it's finally revealed that Jon IS a Targaryean, and once when he defends Daenerys as the Hand.I had never read the books, but at Episode One I was certain of these things to which later are revealed to be true. I didn't know at the time that Jon was Targaryean or that Ned would basically save Dany's life, but I did feel his sense of Honor wouldn't allow him to take the Throne (and him knowing the entire time that Jon is Targaryean sort of makes other things he did make sense now).
Not "a Stark man", but Howland Reed, of Deepwood Motte, father of Meera and Jojen. He's the one who killed Sir Arthur Dayne (the owner of The Sword of Morning).
+MystikMocha Right! I thought I had it wrong shortly after I posted and was gonna look it up but then honestly I had already gotten a few videos ahead and wasn't exactly sure which video I had said this on, but thank you for the correction. What is it that they call the people from there? It's something like "something-men" (I know that sounds silly, but I just can't remember what it was... I read it on one of the wikis for the books not the shows)
+MystikMocha that's it... I feel like I should do some re-reading, but every time I do I end up mad at the end of book 5 at how frickin long it's taking for 6 to come out.
No, the wound Howland inflicted (on screen at least) would likely have proved fatal had Ned not made the killing stroke shortly thereafter. So Ned killed him, that much is true, it just didn't go down the way he allowed everyone to imagine it did.
Bran also has his wolf, and Aria's wolf is still alive, and she wargs into it at night, but I guess she doesn't actually have it, since it is not with her.
Simon Als Nielsen I don't remember exactly, one of the last episodes of the last season, when the white walkers are attacking Bran and the others (the episode with Hodor) And that's what was interesting, because it marks the beginning of winter ("Summer" is dead because winter is now there)
what if... after finding out his heritage Jon SNAPS!! and becomes as obsessed with the iron throne as stannis! and uses white walkers to take it!! MIND BLOWN!!
You are contradicting yourself while concluding that Jon is the ultimate do-gooder and Daenerys the ultimate villain. Jon rushed straight into a losing battle which would have left the north defenseless in the hands of Ramsey, and to an extent would have fucked over and doomed the entirety of Westeros were it not for Sansa's help. Daenerys conquers yes, but also abolishes slavery and reaving along the way. If anything I think that Daenerys is the one portrayed as a villain with her dragons and black banners, but will turn out to be the noble force. Jon is the one portrayed as a hero.
Exactly. Also that whole Jesus thing seems a little too black and white for GRRM too. I mean Jon turning out to be the hero is basically a classic trope.
Agreed. I don't think neither of them will be the hero/villain because both share their fair number of flaws but are also kind to other people and have a good judgment. Cercei will be the great villain.
Exactly. Anyone calling someone desperately attempting to free people from the type of slavery depicted on this show, as evil, really makes me question where their train of thought is coming from. The fact that she has almost unanimous support amongst the freed people and the lower classes also makes me scratch my head at people saying Dany is evil. Maybe I'm looking at this from the wrong perspective, and there are people who do in fact root for the slavers. From that perspective I can see how Dany could be evil to them.
+RollTide8569 Well, she coldly watched her brother die while he was begging, "Dany! Please!" She burned Mirri Maz Duur alive for performing the blood magic that she asked her to perform. She has entombed people, set her dragons on people, crucified random people, and trapped people in a burning building, all because they offended her in some way. She has conquered cities by force, and demanded that they abandon their culture, and do what she commands. She is now sailing at the head of an invasion fleet, ready to cause countless casualties so that she can sit on the Iron Throne, which she feels entitled to because of her birth. Other than that, she's a real sweetheart. Unless you're Jorah or Dario.
RollTide8569 Your point of view is what makes many people see Daenerys as good. It is what makes her a gray character, rather than an obvious villain, to many people. She seems to be doing the right thing. But do you believe that bad people deserve to die, and that bad cultures deserve to be conquered? To support Dany's conquests is to embrace the idea that the ends justify the means, and the idea that might makes right, so a supreme ruler can do anything they deem necessary. Dictatorships are bad, mmmkay? Was Viserys so abusive to Dany that he deserved to die? Was he posing an immediate, real threat to her safety? Viserys arranged a political marriage, which was the way things were done in that world. He did some trash-talking about her. He was a jerk. He was also the rightful heir, her full blood brother, and a human being with a right to live. Murder is bad, mmmkay? The witch did not kill Khal Drogo. She treated the wounded Khal with healing herbs, which he removed because they itched. He used dirt to cover the wound, which then became infected. At or near the point of death, Dany ordered the witch to use blood magic to keep him alive. She did that, although he was left in a vegetative state. She was happy about the outcome, as she did want vengeance on the Dothraki for destroying her village, and raping and enslaving herself and her people. If bad people deserve to die, then surely Khal Drogo deserved death. In the end, it was Dany who mercy-killed her husband. Slavery is one of the worst evils in the world, and ending it is a noble goal. But how it is ended does matter. In the US, it was ended with a Civil War. Abolition was imposed on the slave-owners, and this manner of ending slavery caused problems that we are still dealing with.
Ice and fire. Jon and Danny. It just makes sense. I have a feeling Jon might kill Danaerys. What If Jon snoops around in the depths of winterfell and finds a dragon egg ... for some reason ... just to mindfuck us all.
Even though a sarcastic voice is used throughout this video haha ! It’s probably one of the most direct & I think in the end we’ll all find closely accurate. Great video
+Official Brandonly Oberyn would've destroyed everyone. He probably would've single-handedly killed the entire white walker army, and the dragons, and Jon Snow (again)
The end will be Fire and Ice: Jon driving a sword of FIRE into the Night King`s ALTAR OF ICE (Remember when the Night King turned a baby into a White Walker on it? As long as that altar exists the White Walkers can`t be stopped). Just as the Doom destroyed Valyria, Jon will destroy Northeros. In other words... the reverse of the King Arthur tale! (By some amazing coincidence, Jon's father killed a man called ser *ARTHUR* to save Jon, a knight who wielded a totally unique sword called *DAWN*).
***** Exactly, my point is, GOT works in circles (eg. Jaime stopped the Mad King, and now Cersei is the Mad Queen). Given that King Arthur drew a sword from the stone, it would make sense if the "true" king Jon Snow drove Arthur's sword INTO stone (or ice) at the end of GOT.
It's actually Jaehaerys, why would Rhaegar call both his sons Aegon? The first Jaehaerys was called the conciliator because he patched up Westeros after Maegor the Cruel. There's an obvious parallel between Maegor the Cruel and Mad King Aerys, so it makes sense that Rhaegar would call his prince who was promised Jaehaerys
Great political reading of Daenerys, who also stands for the violence of the pre-civilizatory/pre-political (incest, dragons, fire, even the Dothrakis). The best closure, the real "breaking of the wheel", would have to include her demise & the destruction of the throne itself. I don't see the show going this way without causing an uproar, especially because the show itself hasn't been really interested in problematizing Daenerys as a political figure. It's rather chosen to celebrate her in spectacular terms. Hence the huge amounts of money spent in CGI dragons.
True dat. If Varys says hes the most dangerous man in Westeros I believe him. Don't forget he is the one who started the war between Lannisters and Starks convincing this wacky lady from the Eyrie to poison her husband and put the blame on the Lannisters. I'm also pretty convinced that he spread the rumor about Lyannas alleged kidnapping because he knew that Robert would start a war and take Ned with him leaving Catelyn all to himself. This smirky grin he had on his face while he was talking with Sansa in the Winterfell crypts...
The last part of what you're saying is wrong. At that time Petyr was sent home to the Fingers after the failed browl with Brandon and the abortion of his supposed kid with Lysa. Only after the Rebelion he came back to the highborn ambient, with the help of Lysa, he was named in a financial position in the city of Gulltown and after that he was sent by Arryn to the capital due to his succes with financial growth in revenues from Gulltown( a big city in the Vale) Only after that he came in contact with the real power, few years before the events.
Yes, there is Petyr, and there is Euron too. They will take the role of the main villain at the next season, but they will not be the final, the ultimate villain themselves.
Petyr only wants to fuck with the arrogant entitled and cruel lords of Westeros who have picked on him for all his life. He might be a just ruler for all we know.
The Maesters will set up an indefinite regency. Sam has to have some purpose being at the Citadel. He isn't gonna learn any more about how to kill the Others beyond obsidian and dragon fire and Bran will most likely relate their origins to Jon so there's not much left for Sam to discover himself. He must have another purpose there - what better replacement for the constant battling over a throne than a council of learned men who are (supposedly) neutral and apolitical?
Jon will go north to take charge of the people beyond the wall, if the magic survives maybe even become the new Nights King. Westeros will Balkanize into seven separate kingdoms.
Shes slowly learning the game shes starting to understand the low borns struggle and she clearly know not to follow the example of horrible leaders ie Joffrey Cersei Robert She is well educated and coincides with the themes of lineage doesnt matter She will be a single Queen with no King it's either her or Young Griff
it doesnt make sense for her to become queen. daenerys has dragons, as much as i hate her, and a birthright. sansa will not marry jon, as they are siblings, so even if jon is the rightful heir theres no logical way for her to become queen. she doesnt have the army, or the support.
doesnt fit her storyline, maybe ruling winterfell maybe even the north but not the 7 kingdoms. it would be random and unearned ! in the end i dont think anyone will end up on the iron throne and if there was someone i think tyrion would be best fit to rule !
Wow you did pretty good on this for being 2 year old contemplation. One thing though: "There won't be a happy ending." I genuinely laughed so hard at this. While it didn't end happily for everyone (looking at you Dany), the last episode had all the stark children get a happily ever after, even the randoms that survived are serving the new king. I was always rooting for the white walkers to when honestly, knew it wouldn't happen but at least it would have been interesting.
Ha, you're SO right. For many people GOT didn't have a happy ending because it didn't end the way they wanted it to end. People wanted Daenerys and Jon to become king and queen and have many beautiful inbred children together, yeah right....like THAT was ever going to happen. This ending was as happy as GOT ever going to get. Jon reunited with Ghost and Tormund to live in the high north because KL was NEVER his home anyway. Daenerys DID break the wheel in the end. And Tyrion finally got into the position he excels at, ruling while surrounding himself with trustworthy people. Bran becomes King, Sansa becomes Queen of the North, Arya gets to be an explorer, Gendry is lord of Storms end, Sam becomes a Grandmaester and a father, Lord Davos becomes master of ships, Bronn gets his castle and Brienne and Pod are both members of the kings guard. Now I agree that the pacing of the last 2 seasons was badly executed, I understand the criticism in that regard. But the overall ending I find satisfying and fitting enough.
I think Little finger won't be alive end of season 7. Sansa would understand his motives, his plans behind Ned's execution. I don't think she will fall for him again.
Who is here in season 8 seeing how spot on this video was?!
First thing I thought of watching the show. I've always referenced this video when anyone asked me what they think is going to happen.
But still... could have been excecuted way better than it was now. but respect for this analysis
When I was discussing how GoT would end with friends, I would reference this video. None of them believed me and this video. Well who's wrong now?!
He should do an update
Fits pretty neatly, but Treesicle failed to note the "shell-shocked killing machine" factor of the White Walkers making peace with them impossible, and he didn't imagine an end bittersweet enough.
Jon is condemned as a traitor, but is "punished" with exile to the Free Folk he's come to love.
Sansa becomes Queen in the North, but her family is finally scattered beyond repair.
Arya becomes the adventuress she's wanted to be since childhood, after years of hardship.
And it's entirely possible that Bran himself, the king CHOSEN by the country who will rule for a single generation and leave no heir, has plans of his own.
Came back here as soon as I watched episode 5 you were right I can't believe it but dany is the villian
yeh but not really mate wow
Hey man good call
You predicted this shit 3 years ago
I frantically searched for this video after episode 5 because he absolutely nailed it (except for the white walkers), and anyone who didn't see Daenerys going fully mad and bloodlust for power hasn't been paying attention and only want to get mad at D&D
@@SVOkid86 people are so mad about "character arcs" like they were supposed to end to the greatest of your satisfaction in the first place... this guy was spot on
@@SVOkid86 I wish the white walker part was right, would have made the show better IMO
To be frank the white walker solution this guy made was much better than the show one,and i am okay with dany being mad and i was calling to the execution of D&D that was very poorly
Im sure its been mentioned but you had said that Snow was the only one to still have a living direwolf. I didn't realize this until the last episode for some reason, but Nimeria, Arya's pup, was never killed. Arya got her to run off by throwing rocks at her because she knew they would want to kill her for biting the prince.
Not gonna lie, really looking forward to the adventures of Arya the wolf, Westero's most deadly assassin.
to be perfectly honest, we specifically said that Jon was the only one who still had his direwolf, not that Ghost was the only one alive. We made sure to make that distinction in the video because we did realize that Nymeria was still alive.
Nymeria is leading a wolf pack! Human forces against White-Walkers will have a K-9 Battalion.
Season 7 Arya will definitely meet up with Nimerai and become the pack leader.
putting on a face of a direwolf to fit right in. ^^
I think arya will actually die in the books, but have warged into her wolf at the last second to lead the army pack of wolves. In the books it's often stated how she feels lost without her pack (a metaphor for her losing all her family members) and I think she will find a much more literal pack by the end of the novels.
What if we find out it was all in the eye of a giant called Macumber?
Old Nan would be proud
Dashinati if what u think is ri8 then i think Macumber is the author of the story and in his eyes means actually in his brain. That is this whole game of thrones is just an imagination by someone and not true. Which is in fact true.
Ramsay has one of the most important quotes for the series
"If you think this is going to have a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention"
😲👍
OMG you are so right! When I first heard that line, I felt as though it had a much greater/broader meaning than some other folk may have initially noticed.
Could have been a cool way to let his fans know what to expect. But actually Martin said it was going to be a bittersweet ending. But from him, it also could be a weird form of happiness. We'll see!
I think Treesicle has it right but forgot to add that after Jon turns the throne down, the Imp. Tyrion Lannister takes the throne because he actually has Targaryen blood too. He's not a Lannister.
Oh, fuck me.
my theory is that a giant astroid hits westeros and creates tamriel
Skyrim = Winterfell
+FREEMAN DUBSTEP Skyrim = The North, Winterhold = Winterfell.
+SH4D0WXR33CONt1 is say it's more like windhelm, but that's just me
WHAT IF THIS IS THE AKAVIR CONTINENT WITH DRAGONS AND SHIT !!!
oh shieet
Ned Stark NEVER said that HE killed Ser Arthur. He even said: "Ser Arthur Dayne, the greatest swordsman I've ever seen. He would've killed me, but for Howland Reed".
exactly! the comment i wanted to write just when i saw the video: Ned admitted openly that Arthur Dayne was way better than him and would have easily defeated him if were not outnumbered and ofc Howland Reed. The stories that Ned defeated Arthur Dayne were made up by others.
David Turov He told the truth to his loved ones but to all others he told the lie of beating him.
I dont think there will be an iron throne to sit on...
good idea
+PhillyPhan34 maybe she will try to use the wildfire thats left to kill dany and jon but remember they are targeryeans they probably wont burn
Theres still a heap of wildfire under the red keep ;)
True. Bran's vision already show us a Little bit of this. When Night King srrives KL he will destroy everything.
good. the infidels' throne was just going to be melted down anyway.
I agree. No one will sit on the throne in the end. That's the best ending.
You mean the faceless Ones? Good theorie!
Melted throne.
Dany's vision showed the throne room destroyed and an empty iron throne sitting unclaimed in the snow.
Right Wing Radio Naw, It's gonna be THEON GREYJOY!!! What's that THEON!? Not anymore. IT'S KING REEK!!!
Well that's actually bad since the kingdoms were way more warlike before Aegon conquered the Seven Kingdoms.
"Jon George Washington Jesus Snow"
Samwell "The Fatty" George Washington Tarly
Plzplzplzplz change your name and picture
Jon George Washington Jesus Targareyan Snow
I just watched the 6th episode of season 8, this guy is a genius!
It turns out Hot Pie was the legitimate son of Robert and he takes the Iron Throne
Sam Phillips lmfaooooo
Sam Phillips cool, I'm gonna seriously consider this 😂👍
Sam Phillips lmaooo
Hot Pie in 2020!!
That's a good one :D
1) Dany is the vilain 2) Jon will refuse the throne 3) Tyrion sits on the iron throne
Salvador Allende I hope so ! I'm thinkin Varys will be crowned
Midas King
cant be, he cant produce an heir....
Salvador Allende Martin: Who's the viewers favorite character? Tyrion? What's this? Their favorite character isn't dead yet? Let us, SMASH THAT GOOD FORTUNE INTO OBLIVION
Did you miss the whole point? The Feudal system is abolished. That's the ending. Now sure Jon and Trion might help a lot and Be like presidents or Consuls or something but that"s it.
Salvador Allende People seem to forget about the producing of an heir for some reason. Daenerys can't have children either. And even if Jon does marry ( I don't think he will) he won't procreate with his own blood. The iron throne will either belong to Sansa and Tyrion or Gendry and Arya. No incest necessary.
What if Martin did the "They lived happily ever after" ending, just to fuck with people's expectations
Haha, a double twist.
AND THE TWIST IS... THERE IS NO TWIST
Yep he said bittersweet ending but he didn't say who gets it. My guess is Arya and several more main characters get got like when Omar got it in the Wire
Martin likes to fuck with people's expectation. But beyond anything, he likes to write a good story.
A story that only purpose is to fuck up expectations is no good story.
Thaibiohazard123 it's the best story
Well this video has aged well. Kudos!
I'm very glad to have to heard Treesicle denounce Daenerys as someone who is bringing chaos and destruction.
I mean people, Daenerys Targaryean is bringing foreign sellswords, she's bringing ironborn reaver so, she's bring dolthraki screamers, and some I assume are good people.
She is literally bringing over 100,000 people known for raping and pillaging over on ships from houses and families who have beef with the rest of Westeros. If she thinks after she gets the throne he there will be anything left to rule she has another thing coming.,
+Illier1 despite Varys calling Littlefinger King of the ashes, Daenerys seems more likely to bring it to ash
if that's a Trump pun then well played..
Thank you :)
Very well played, Mr. Trump. Very well played indeed.Here's the irony to it, though. Just like Trump, it's all about perspective.Daenerys is all about "Slavery is bad, mm'kay". Ergo, she's a 'Good Guy', because if you counter her then you (flawed logic syndrome) must support Slavery. So of like Hillary, if you oppose Hillary Clinton then (flawed logic syndrome) you're obviously a Sexist.Daenerys has a pure intent. A Righteous Cause. The Throne IS a Targaryean Throne, the Blood Right (as far as she knows, since it's doubtful she knows Jon is her Brother, and her other Older Brother is dead after getting the Crown he deserved) is HERS, by Blood.You know, the thing those silly Beratheon boys tried to claim. Blood Rights.Now, in that period it was common that blood was answered with blood. You killed my Nephew, I kill your Uncle. 200 Years later, Hatfield and McCoy's or Romeo and Juliet and no one knows who REALLY started it.Lannister killed her Father, the very Lannister that served as his Hand. Boratheon took her Throne.Answering Blood with Blood, it is the RIGHT of Daenerys to take back her Throne, and her RIGHT to hunt down the Lannister's (or Boratheon's if unaware that Lannister was the actual Killer, since they didn't take the Throne). Not to mention... if you are of Dragons and can't be burned by Fire... really I mean... do you have BETTER credentials for Ruling the World than THAT? In fact, Ned Stark would agree with me... if he still had his head about him. How do we know this? Because he was keeping Jon Snow alive because Jon Snow is the TRUE HEIR to the Throne, because he's Targaryean. House Stark, at least as far as under Ned, was Pro-Targaryean, but smart enough to not advertise this at such a tumultuous time. The HONOR of Stark lead him to see that the Throne belongs, by Birth, to Jon... and if Jon were dead, to Daenerys (who he also protected in his short time as the Hand).
Arya's direwolf is technically not dead, we don't know.
yeah, one of the surest predictions we can make about the next season is that her wolf will find her again now that shes back in westeros, but thats the one guess i havent seen ANYONE make.
Schrodinger's direwolf
heh, lol.
I think it is a metaphor of Aryra Strak is lost, both from home and that child she was in the beginning.
as far as I remember in books her direwolf is leading huge pack of wolfs.
The most boring ending I can see is dany been crowned in the end. I personally think she will be killed....
She will probably. Her being queen is equivalent to a video game story
She doesn't want a Crown.She flat out told us this already. She shifted from taking the Throne that is hers, to breaking the machine.Has everyone forgot her conversation with Tyrian already? She wants to break the system now, that is her driving force.
Bradley Kell That is crazy talk. What does it even mean? Then recently she said She takes what is hers.
I agree. The biggest giveaway was in 6x10, where upon leaving Mereen she told Daario that she intends to leave power to the people to 'choose their own leaders'. Personally I think that particular line foreshadows how she intends to do this upon her 'conquering' of Westeros. This will end with the birth of democracy in Westeros, and that may well be the entire point of the story.
I may well be wrong, but it's as good a theory as any other I've heard.
AR21 She will take the Throne, then she will Destroy the system.
She flatly stated to Tyrian when he was discussing with her how power is gained that she didn't want to play the Game, but to destroy it.
You nailed it my friend
Arya's wolf is VERY LIKELY not dead. It says in the books that a 'GIANT WOLF' is leading a pack of normal wolves in the wild.
nymeria will fight one of the dragons in season 7
***** I'm pretty sure Nymeria would die terribly
lmao
We know it's Nymeria it's said that it is. You get chapters where you see through her eyes briefly
+Unmukt Joshi
what season are you on
A 'Dislike' is just a 'Like' of the other side.
Anyway, interesting elaboration on a theory (or perhaps set of theories) that has been out there a while. My main reason for scepticism is that it seems to overstate the case against Dany. She is willing to compromise and does listen to competing points of view. She took Tyrion's advice for example and it got her a bunch of ships. Also, she's quite flexible politically and agreed to Yarra's request for a Iron Island's equivalent of a 'Brexit'*. Sure she wants the Iron Throne but so have a lot of people and as you say yourself Jon does *not* want it, so there's no reason for conflict there.
*Do you want to play a game? I like games.
What would we call an Iron Islands version of a Brexit? Some suggestions:
Greygone
Joyless
Pyking
Ironbornout!
definitely some fair points. my vote is for Ironbornout!
The only reason she was open to suggestions so far is because she doesn't want to endanger the chances for the one thing she desires - Iron Throne. She's devoted to getting it more than religiously. To suggest that she could be convinced that war against those who oppose her is wrong, especially after she came while riding a dragon into real battle is silly. Imho ;)
Fair points definitely. Plus we can add that Tyrion is a peaceful guy looking for comprises not wars. I don't think Dany will turn out to be the great villain, i think she will die while fighting the Walkers, maybe with her dragons too. Maybe she will play a great role in the conflict and Jon will end it by establishing peace with the Walkers. The show doesn't need more villains as there are plenty of them still alive (yeah.. and don't miss walkers as villains too)
you did It! Thanks treesicle team, really philosophical stuff going on my head
awesome!
I LOVE this video! Very intriguing take on the story. I can believe that Dany is the villain because she and her family represent the old, chaotic, magic filled past, while the Starks represent the new democratic Westeros. If there is final monarch, I think it will be Sansa Stark. Queen Elizabeth the First vibes.
My money is still on Tyrion.He is smart and always outmanuever his oponents with non violence.Violence is his last resort
Bran is going to wake up from his fall from the tower. And that is the end.
nanushka Hamilton that would be disappointing
That would actually be brilliant
@@thomashanlon9960 no lol that would be basic its been done before and would be anticlimactic
Booooooring
Lol- Bobby Ewing Dallas dream reference! Love it.
This makes so much sense.... and I fucking hate it..... I think most of us have seen Danny slowing darkening... I really do see her becoming the darkness in this show in the final season.... I hope it does not go that way though.
no just no not every single thing in game of thrones has alternative motives, and she will not go mad she has advisors in which she listens to
***** the books are different from the show so invalid argument
***** lol like contradicting yourself much? it will not end the same as the books as there not the same or identical, nowhere in game of thrones is she shown to be evil. Her becoming evil would be the most cliché thing ever and does not make sense, it is not black and white of which you make it out to be
that would be an awsome ending to the tv series, Daenerys saving the day not so much.
I think Daenerys and Jon get to the end and she tries burning him but he won't get burnt
Sounds pretty legit. I'd bet on this ending over any other predictions I've heard
I'd even add that Jon Snow, after refusing the Iron Throne, might return to the north and volunteer to become a white walker, whether by challenging the Ice King to combat and taking on his role as leader of the undead army or acting as peace negotiator with the Ice King. A male of royal blood has to be better than an incest-born baby of a wildling.
nah bro not john .... benjin stark will take that place and lead the white walker if it comes to that
+Matthew Ghany Good point. Forgot about Benjin already lol
I can totally see that! Benjen leading the army of WW by Jon's side fighting against Dany and her dragons.
i disagree, i dont think benjen is important at all to the overarching story, just to save bran and perhaps bring some useful information to jon about the white walkers
I think sometimes we're so busy looking for the answers that we miss the important questions. Questions like: why, exactly, after thousands of years, are the White Walkers coming down from the LoAW to invade Westeros in the first place? Is it just because of a new Long Night, or is something else going on? And why was the Night King so intrigued by Jon?
I've seen a lot of people think that the night king is an ancient stark. The guy they turned into the night king anyway. There is clearly something about the Starks that connects them to all things ice in the north. But I totally agree, the big question is why are the white walkers returning now. That is the answer I want most.
What happened that was super magical and marked the sky in the first book? A red comet. Could of also been a symbol for the walkers. Also, there have been several Night's Kings. the one you saw in the flashback is NOT the one you see in the North leading the horde.
I heard something along the lines of the White Walkers move south when they feel the presence of Dragons. Both are considered long gone/extinct, but what a coincidence that both reappear around the same time.
I think that a central theme of the whole story is the return of magic to this fictional world (the world of Ice and Fire), especially to Westeros. Magic is a force of nature in that world, and at the time the story begins, that force is on the rise. The rise of the Walkers, the return of direwolves to south of the Wall, the return of dragons, the red comet, the return of the power of the warlocks in Qarth, the return of greenseer powers (Bran, Jojen Reed), priests being able to work more miracles, etc etc. (By the way, my theory is that in the world of Ice and Fire, there don't exist any "gods". The "miracles of gods" are "just" regular magic, which the priests explain or interpret as their god's will. Actually it's magic, not any "god's will". E.g. when Melisandre says that Jon Snow is living because the Lord of Light willed it, she is wrong (once again). Melisandre is able to channel magical powers, and intuitively she was able to do it "right" when trying to revive Jon Snow (because she has centuries of experience after all, and because magic is on the rise). Just my theory.) Magic was never wholly gone from the world, but it has been sleeping, and is now rising again.
So I think that the Walkers are invading right now, because the Night's King feels that his powers rise again, and that there is a long winter coming (possibly these two facts are connected as well).
So the question is not the "when", it is the "why". Or to put it another way:
"What is the central agenda of the White Walkers/the Night's King?"
As some other people here have already noted: I also think that in the TV series, the Walkers are portrayed much more villainous than in the books. So it could very well be, that in the series the Night's King indeed plays some sort of Dark Lord, while in the books the "Walkers vs Dragons" theme will be more grey.
While watching Season 7 I thought: "This guy got everything wrong"
Season 8: "Shit. This guy was absolutely right"
Just goes to show how bad DnD fucked up
Wouldnt mind Danny ruling the south and Jon the north.
or both of them ruling all 😈😈😈
+Saitama Lol I know but I just wanna imagine it too happen even tho it wont
Maybe it will and G.R.R. is just trying to fool us with everything he said
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I would be disappointed. its a Game of Thrones. Winner take all.
I love that theory. makes the most logical sense when you really see where the story is heading at this point. good job on this one guys and by the end of it all, if you guys are right, drinks are on me!
cheers!
I feel like Varys knows everything, even about the white walkers and Tyrion and Jon and Gendry.
yes! lol
Varys is a secret Targaryan, which is why he shaves his head.
+B4TT3RY mindblown
in my opinion the real "bad guy" wants everything especially iron throne more than everyone is our sweet Uncle Petyr (aka: Little finger) (sorry for using your comment :'( )
Actually I take that back, I'm reading through the books and at one point Varys grows a beard. His beard is black, not white. TV show Varys might be different though.
You know what would be really unexpected? HAPPY END
Liza Saakadze if you think it's a happy ending you haven't been paying attention or have we ?
well everybody expect bittersweet so happy would be unexpected right ?
haha yes :D I would be very suprised :D
@Not Alfie He's just stating something unexpected. you're own statement even confirms that.
Every fucking character got their happy ending expect Dany, Night King. Cersei and Jamie died but they died together in each other arms soo it was a fucking lie...
Saw this three years ago. Dreaded it all this time. Came back after the most recent episode. Dissapointed with how it was executed.
Of all the 'How will game of thrones end?" videos I've seen, I believe the series will end exactly like this! I fully agree that GRRM is gonna shit on expectations, especially when alot of people are expecting and hoping for a Jon/Dany wedding! And yeah, despite GRRM admitting that Tolkien's work seems "cartoonish" I still think GRRM has drawn many inspiration from the LotR series!
If we are to draw parallels between the two worlds, then Yes, Dany is most certainly The Dark Lord Sauron of Westeros. That would make Jon Snow the Aragorn, Samwell Tarly the Samwise Gamgee and Bran Stark the Frodo. Question is, where would The White Walkers fit in? The Answer is, they are the parallels to the "Dead Men of Dunharrow!" Or, "The Army of the Dead!"
Aragorn, along with Legolas and Gimli left the Rohirrim in search for more allies just before the War of Gondor. Aragorn faced the leader with his new blade and tells them that "if the army fights for him, he will hold their oaths fulfilled!" And so in last moments of the war, the army of the dead layed waste to Sauron's army, ending the battle.
I believe Jon Snow will make a deal or broker peace with the Night's King and will become allies in the final war between Jon Snow and Dany!
I think deanery done a lot of bad. She has said many times unless you help me I will burn your cities and stuff like that and when not getting what she wants she turn really bad. So no doubt is she not a good person and she likes to sleep with the most cruel murderers as well.
Although I don't think she wants to kill everyone like Sauron. She is just a typical power grabbing person/state who happens to get special amount of powers with her dragons. She is basically very similar to Cersei and even Sansa has that level of greed in her. A version of United states as a nation with the dragons being nukes. Going into middle east dictatorships looking for resources while setting people free and making it actually worse for them. Then just leave them in chaos and go back to the west. It is a very fitting analogy.
I think you can make peace with her though and that will happen in the end and well the dragon may have to die as they are well hard to justify as being nice creatures and then have some socialistic reforms in the end.
Not seeing the white walkers as warriors for good either in any way. Although you may make peace with them I guess.
jon snow slept with ingred she was a mass killer,lol
are u really comparing cersei to her , cersei is the most evil character in the show
cersei is an angel.))
Dai Bangers Mind Blown!!
I love that piano-theme so much...
The last episode distinguished so much from the others because of it 👌🏻
Who's watching this after Season 8 episode 5? LOL this video is right on the money.
Just remember guys. The reason Jon doesn't want power is because he feels it is not in his blood. I think when he finds his true lineage he will go through some serious changes
Also I thought the show only had 1 season left. Can someone clarify
I really hate when full season have such low episode counts. Oh well. I just hope Littlefinger lives
Mostly 2 seasons left. The creators of series mentioned that there are 13 episodes left after season 6. Since the story goes bigger and epic, shooting 10 episodes within year is difficult. Hence most likely we will see 6 ep. in season 7 and remaining in 8.
However, HBO doesn't want it to finish so early as they want to be in competition with walking dead and other series. So they might try to stretch it more.
They'll probably do something else with the theme. Like prequel or something.
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thanks bro! 😉
hope ur right
I can agree with so many things in this theory but I'd like to add another bit
people want power so if Jon refuses the throne there will be another rebellion , another war, another 'demon' created by the 'good' guys, so Jon when informed by bran with his future sight thing , he will know to take the throne and not be a dick...
What would happen in kings landing tho? would cersei be the mad queen?
I think a mystical being comes down gets pissed at humanity and destroys everything
A Stark man did NOT stab Ser Arthur Dayne in the back. It was Howland Reed, Jojen and Meera's Father.
Howland Reed is a Stark (Banner)man
But he's a 'REED' not a Stark regardless of fighting for the Starks!
Filthy muggles can't get anything right
he is a tully bannerman not stark
Tully's were Stark bannermen under Rob Stark in the war of five kings though.
After watching S8E5 .... Oh my, that was scarily spot on
Tyrion will be king
Yeah, I think there is good chance
Very likely. He is very qualified. Jon will not want it and Dany will find that she doesn't deserve it.
I think he's going to be Hand to either Jon or Dany
That would be good.
+MVQlech_67 I call littlefinger
I actually think that Jon will become the Night's King by the end of the series, that would be the only way they could negotiate a deal.
nah, if they were going to do that, they wouldnt have killed him, and brought him back already, just had him turn then, or later. but the certainly wouldnt have begun the whole reincarnation thing.
+CurvingFyre “Talos” dying would just turn him into a white not a white walker the night king would have to turn him into one or pass on his power is some way. still a possibility but we'll see.
Agreed 100%. It hit me like a stack of books right around the 7:30-7:40 mark of the video. It all makes sense that it ends that way.
Or Uncle Benjen becomes the new Nights King, Bran the New Bloodraven Sansa as Queen of the North, Daenerys as Queen of the South, and Jon marrying either Arya or Lyanna Mormont as King of the Seven Kingdoms.
A recent video deleted due to copyright, suggests that Daenerys will try to conquer King's Landing but her Dragons will light up the batches of Wildfire killing millions. Jon will marry Daenerys only for a time. Then in Azor Ahai fashion stabs her and her spirit goes into the sword bringing back Lightbringer. Jon arises as Azor Ahai but the Nights King leads them to truce with The Children and perhaps abandon Feudalism.
JC Sounds very interesting indeed, I would enjoy such an ending.
That "stark man" at the beginning is Howland Reed. Plebs
Yes? House Reed is a banner of house Stark
Riekelt Visser lol i was joking
of course you were
Mathew Smith k den lmao
I think the Burning Legion will give up on Azeroth after multiple tries and will focus on Game of Thrones world instead. They will defeat the White Walkers and Ilidain Stormrage will sit on the Iron Throne. Think about it.
White Walkers = Ice.
Burning Legion = Fire.
Also, Ragnar Lothbrok will sail into the blackwater but gets betrayed.
this
And Melisandre is a dreadlord...
Christian R obviously, she and dreadlord Jaina have been working together for years to bring the Legion to Westeros. The current Invasion of Azeroth is just a misdirection to throw the army of the light and the void lords of guard
Just replying because I am also a Christian R... helllllurrr to you sir
Tijn Jansen im playing wow rn lol
It was Howland Reed, Mira and Jojen's father that back stabbed Ser Arthur Dayne, the sword of the morning. Not a regular Stark man.
"just jon snow. he is a king not a lord"-Davos seaworth. better edit that username before editing a comment
I always imagined the final shot of Game of Thrones being the Iron Throne rusting away being abandoned completely, due to all the pain and suffering the pursuit for it caused.
If you remember correctly, Arya's direwolf ran off in the first season and it was sansa's that was killed instead. So the part where you say "Jon's direwolf is the only one left" is wrong. It's just Arya's is missing and has been missing for the past 5 1/2 seasons
yup. and its leading a "super pack" of wolves in the riverlands. really hope they show it or at least bring it up on the show
They've mentioned it in passing a couple of times, mostly just giving the brotherhood without banners some issues. I hope we eventually get more than this!
He said Jon is the last one WITH their dire wolf
Was just about to mention this. They go into more detail in some of Ary's perspectives in the books
I retract my previous statement... he doesn't say that Ghost is the only Direwolf left... he states that Jon is the only "Stark" to have his Direwolf... and in a literal context, this is true
SPOILER ALERT!!
The ending would be: a story which has been told repeatedly for thousands of years, until it becomes a myth.. about bran the builder, a story of brandon stark who actually trying to change the past and the fate of white walker which he has been telling through symbols of spirals and tenta (1st season 1 ep) and did not succeed until Game of Thrones age.
2nd ending could be: GOT is trying to teach us lesson about how power can drive humanity insane. That is why they created the white walker, to diminish all humans and let nature wins at last.
3nd ending: a tale told by Samwel Tarly from the Citadel called the Song of Ice and Fire.
4th ending: we all live inside the blue eyed giant (white walker) controlled by bran's mind
5th ending: A Cock's thoughts by Theon Greyjoy
I FUCKING LOVE THIS. THERES NO WAY THEY CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS. I know the great GGRM is smart enough to do something similar but I really hope homeboys D&D take notes!!
Jon will decline but recommend Lyanaa Mormont for the iron throne instead
that would be a wise decision. she would be perfect in this position
Maybe the person who will take the throne isn't even born making the book even longer and complected and a giant shit on all your theories. I do hope Lyanna Mormont will be the Iron Queen but it would be to easy.
John snow becomes a white walker to broker the truce between men and the white walkers despite ppl wanting him to take up his birth right, LF finally gets what he wants with Sansa
He should. The girl gave him 62 fucking soldiers, he should repay her for that!
actually I think bran would be a better choice...he sees all..
are you saying jon leads an army of white walkers agenst dany
I like the sound of that
That sounds so cool.
Tin foil hate time: In skyrim, there is a civil war between the imperials and the stormcloaks, who are mirror images of the Northern and Southern houses of westerros. The Southerners say the religion of the 7 is the correct way, as the imperials say that the correct god in the 9 daedric gods which or represented by human emotion. But the Northerners pray to the the wearwoods and the first men, as the Stormcloaks pray to Talos, one of the first men of their world. Also the way the Stormcloaks base of operations Windhelm is very Winterhold looking, also the imperial city of solitude is even set very similarly as Kingslanding. There even is a small dispute between two Houses in Skyrim, The Northern Gray manes vs the Southern Battle borns. Very very similar to Lannisters and Starks if you ask me.
That would be amazing
jon snow took the horn of the ice and called out the ice dragon sleeping beyond the north. then he rides the ice dragon and fought along with the white walkers. yes.
I just watched the final episode. Well done dude you were like 70% right. One of the best theories out there
More like 90%
I think the throne will be destroyed at the end
Renee 8311 same !
Okay but ultimately the physical iron throne is just a representation so it doesn't matter if the physical thing gets destroyed.
It was destroyed but it has plot armor lol
Aaayyy lmao ure right, the new king rolls into the throne with his own rolling throne.
Damn
I agreee BUT I don't why but I still think that Arya and Sansa have a more important role and we are ignoring it. Just as Lena Headey said in a interview "I think it will be the stark girls"
So, this would make sense if Hodor changed to a whitewalker and Bram talks with him. That Bram brings both, John Snow and the Whitewalkers together because the Whitewalkers knew the coming of the Dragon Mother and of course are gaining numbers of more walkers to fight her regardless of how to get the bodies. So when john has bram strike a deal, so does their uncle show up in a scene meeting Danaris and is burned to show that she will become a mad queen, completely destroying the Queen and in that moment, Jami stabs his sister and suddenly have the new light bringer show, followed by the use of the magic swords. I gotta work on this some more thinking on it but I could see that after a war, one dragon lost, suddenly to temporary retreat while the white walkers just wanted to be left alone make a big wall again and to suddenly have the next gen of "beware the dragon mother is coming again." Does make so much sense. Thank you Treesickle.
wasn't thinking about hodor, but I did think that not only jon snow, but bran too is capable of being the perfect intermediate
Did you really think his name was Bram this whole time? lol
+Cube-alig yeah brand
right?
Brandon Stark. A.k.a. Bran. Not Bram
Author has forgotten about the prophecy that was made for Sersei...She will be replaced by Queen that is younger and more beautiful...And yes it's not Dany...Dany will probably die closer to the end and who's from fitting women characters left? Only Sansa...
She was replaced temporarily by Margery. Besides, you might just be misgendering the night king.
Oh my word, your reply is gold!
I'm pretty sure that prophecy refers to Lady Brienne
Domingo De Leon it can also be jon's an daenarys child that will probably be a blond girl
Domingo De Leon when does she say anything about blonde hair?
Finally, someone who understands this series.
Jon will become the new Night's King (to give the current one a break via death). He is the prince that was promised to the white walkers and must roam the land beyond the wall for thousands of years (for our sins) until a new prince is delivered.
Don't know if this was a joke, but I laughed hard!
No joke! I'm DEAD serious!
That's actually very probable
Why would Jon want to destroy all life?
The Others don't want to destroy all life. They just need a constant supply of sacrifice. Every 8 thousand years or so they need the sacrifice of a prince of Ice and Fire. Our greatest, purest hero becomes our most dreaded enemy. After 8000 years Jon will show up on a dead horse and say "Where the new prince @?" Think about it. The current Night King was a Stark when he was alive. Ever wonder why the Starks have all these special warging powers and why they thrive in Winter? It's because they are related to the Knight's King. The north remembers that it is always a Stark that saves their ass from the Others. The funny thing is that they don't even remember why they need to remember, they just remember cause they remember having to remember. It's like the movie Memento but backwards.
GOT WILL END WITH GENDRY ON THE IRON THRONE
I have always liked that possibility.
Ryan Rogers
I think this too. I think jon won't even want it. he'll stay in the north with sansa
I could see that. He has not been in the picture for a long time.
GOT end by Gendry still paddling
I have always thought he was the son of Cersei and Robert that had "died" of fever. The son she talks about to Kat after Bran's fall.
Theory was spot on fair play man!!
Fergie the Manc just watched this myself
wasn't there some other bastard of robert derping in around in season whatever?
Doesn't matter, Gendry is a bastard of Robert but Jon has blood of both Stark and Targaryan making him the rightful Hier after the Mad kings death, the only reason Robert was crowned king was because he ordered all other targaryen hier to be killed.
Robert got the throne by right of conquest. Just like Aegon. Although having the other heirs killed was kinda the icing on top, since his grandmother was a Targaryen, giving him some sort of tiny claim.
Ieuan Hamilton-Bass Why doesn't it matter? Neither Stark nor Targaryan having a claim for the current throne (they could only conquer it like robert did). Gendry might be a bastard but he is roberts (the one who actually conquered the iron throne) only known son. In my opinion, he's the only heir who has a right to sit on the throne.
I know what you are saying but Robert never legitimized him so unfortunatly that means he doesn't have a claim tot he throne, atleast he won't when the Targaryan's be it Dany or Jon, take the throne back.
+Ieuan Hamilton-Bass Jon I'd a bastard and he is now king in the north I think if gendry comes back he will use Jon being like him to his advantage if he goes for the throne but do I think he will go for the throne no
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely"
I've never watched a single episode but I feel like I know the entire story.
it's seriously awesome!
This being the day se 8 ep 5 released I have to say man this was dead on
When you're tying to pay attention but the music keeps giving you chills #RIPMargaery
Jon Snow becomes a White Walker. Now it's a battle between Fire and Ice...
Jon is half stark half targaryen ... Jon Snow is a Song of Ice (stark) and Fire (targaryen)
Take away the 'G' and he is A Son of Ice and Fire
THERE IT IS!!! Martin is a genuis.
Didn't Kit say in an interview that he would ''like to be a Warg''?
In the epic final battle Bran will warg into a dragon and Jon will ride it.
The WW are ice, Dany is fire. Jon is both ice and fire, the one who will bring peace to both extremes.
I think the main 'bad-doer' is Baelish. If you think about it, littlefinger is behind everything, including all of the wars; telling Catelyn Stark that the dagger used in Bran's assassination attempt is what kicked everything off
I wonder. Am I the only one who disliked Danny from the beginning for the exact reasons shown.
Yes. Danny is bae. But then again she probably wants to blow everyone up
You are because at the beginning she didnt want the throne...
Yeah. She's too likable, so It seems as though Martin WANTS you to like this character, so that in the end she will turn out to be evil and it would be a huge plot twist.
FireLexFtw
No I disliked Danny in the beginning for a different reason. I felt she was just there to be Khal Drogo's sex toy. I liked her more later on but then she became a whiny, self entitled bitch who ran her country to the ground out of sheer incompetence.
I can't... her meme is the reason I started watching. "Where are my DRAGONS!"
This has been speculated upon, but is unlikely to happen. Just because the overarching theme is that 'War is bad mmmmkay' doesn't mean that the characters will act in accordance with that moral.
ASOIAF and GoT is an anti-war theme, mate. And the show and the books have portrayed that beautifully.
With the ice wall, they could've had a team that decided to full Mei.
lol
Rofl, maybe that is why blizzard created that chatacter
Maybe the wall was created by the nights-watch taking a leak every night until it just added up? But then it would have a yellow hue....
Not if he was remembering to stay hy(pe)drated
+Dave Fawcett Or the wall is yellow BUT it just covered with snow
You knew it all along!
I don't think this theory makes sense. Having Westeros achieve lasting peace through diplomacy with the WWs in a story that supposedly "realistic" seems like more of a stretch than Jon and Dany having a political marriage. In fact, at least in the show, it seems like the latter may be the case.
Also brokering peace with the Others is a bad idea, story wise. We are not invested in them, so anything that's done in that respect will feel one sided. Not only that, but I think you overstate GRRM anti-war message. It seems to me he's far more concerned with describing the reality of the combat and politics of late middle ages than giving us the idealized cliched boilerplate response to it. Wars are already bad enough without a public service announcement at the end.
More than likely the WW are just a plot device. A common threat the divided forces of Men will rally against for one final time, and then the ensuing war will rewrite the borders, setting the stage for future conflicts, maybe even a hint of their return.
The reason I think this is because Dany has the weapons that Jon needs against the Others: dragons; wildfire, if she can get it before Cersei blows it up; the ingredients to make dragon glass, more than likely; and the most fearless fighting force in the world.That's no accident. Setting all that up just to have nothing to be resolved- and shaking hands with the WW isn't resolve - in is something even unpredictable GRRM wouldn't do.
Lastly, GRRM probably has less power over the direction of GoT than he does his own books, as you can tell once the show outstripped the books. The series is far more predictable than the books, but that isn't really a bad thing. Life is often predictable.
I think the true end is this: Dany's going to clean up in the south, not without trouble, and will turn her ire against the north where Jon will be more concerned with WWs than her. She will threaten war against the "Stark" traitor, but Bran's news of Jon's lineage will be the grounds of a tenuous peace. This alliance will probably lead to a political marriage orchestrated by Tyrion. This peace through diplomacy will only serve as the grounds for a human vs WW war; not the end of it; so expect Jon and Dany to get married well before the last episode. Jon is going to struggle against Dany to get her to cooperate with a defense against the WWs. They both finally come to an understanding. One of them or both die, and the successor of Jon, if not Jon himself, will hold the Iron Throne for a time in relative peace, but will leave no heir, sowing the seeds of the next round of conflict; except this time, you have raping, pillaging, Dothraki in the main land.
Evidence of a political union against the WWs over WWs peace with evil Dany:
1. Wars are bad, but generally shape the political and cultural climate after they are waged, and bringing about "peace" under bad conditions can often foment climate for new wars as an unintended consequence. Namely, the treaty of Versailles leading to WWII; the execution of Saddam leading to ISIS; conquering of Slavers Bay leading to economic and political instability. Shaking hands with the WWs is more than likely not going to change this any more than all out war with them would. In fact, I think humans rally against a common nonhuman foe would do more to change relations within the 7 kingdoms than an accord with the WWs.
2. An evil Dany would only be a penultimate villain. Even if she was the Big Bad, she will only be so in the sense that she would keep humanity from protecting itself against a larger threat.
3. Tyrion is friends of both Jon and Dany.
4. Sansa knows Tyrion is a good man.
5. R+L=J seems to concern humans more than WWs.
6. CoF created WWs as a weapon against humans. Never once mentioned any conditions to stop them. In fact, they imply that war with them is the only way.
7. Jon Snow doesn't care about ruling, which makes him a good choice for a king, not to be the guy to hash out a deal with Ice wizards. Tyrion's better for that.
8. If Humans still have conflicts leading up the the WW armistice, how is that going to change, afterwards? It makes far more sense for humans to rally around a common cause than to do so after the crisis is averted.
9. This is a human story. The WWs are pretty much an undeveloped plot device.
fair point
The WWs are called "the others" in the books. Their purpose is to show how in real life people tend to dehumanize their enemies in war, making them out to be almost monsters, as different from us as animals, which in turn makes it possible for decent people to do by the millions what only evil people would do on their own - killing, torturing and generally mistreating the "others", who are stripped of their humanity. Also, there is no "Big Bad" - war and ignorance of the other side are the negative forces of the story, all characters could be viewed as their victims (yes, even the Boltons).
Have we tried reasoning with islamic terrorist? Have we cut off their funding by our CIA yet? There's always two sides to a story. We will never know. Same concept of diplomacy with the WWs applies in our time.
Yeah but what about this - white walkers were made easily, using magic. Three eyed raven was obviously involved with the Children. So I strongly believe that WWs can be eradicated after the need for them has passed. Maybe they even disappear on their own. Obviously they haven't disappeared yet because the strategy against them was wrong, or it simply wasn't the time. Either way something needs to happen, that hasn't happened before.
Or Martin goes with the old 'history repeating itself' - mankind learns that war is wrong after all of the known world has suffered loss (which already happened pretty much), they live in peace for a while, shit hits the fan again, the Children make WWs, fast forward to a new wall etc. That kind of thinking, while a chiche, agrees with 1) wars being bad 2) nature of man being greedy.
I dunno, but whatever happens the show will be a very lame version of it.
Absolutely. Good analysis!
But wait. Ned declined the Iron throne after Robert's rebellion. Look where that got us.
He didn't decline it. He claimed it for Robert, when he found Jaime Lannister seated there. It was Robert's rebellion after all, it would have been a dick move. Plus, Robert had a blood claim to the throne, as the Baratheons were related to the Targaryens. I don't think Jon will deny the Throne. I think he'll have it destroyed. But there's a lot to be seen till then.
John Hetherton
Ned had the chance to claim the Iron throne. Robert was an usurper, blood-related or not, he was not in the line of succession. Ned gave the Iron throne to Robert due to his honor. Snatching it from under his nose may be a dick move, but it could leave the seven kingdoms in a much better state. Good actions are not always wise, and evil actions are not always unwise. Ned is a person who would strive to always do good regardless, which is why he died the way he did.
I don't see what destroying the throne would do. It's simply a symbol of the monarchy, after all. Destroying it wouldn't help in any way. If anything it might even lead to a civil war since suddenly you don't need a right or linage to rule. It would just lead to a bunch of tyrants taking control of land.
Do you know if it was called 'Robert's Rebellion' during it or called that after he sat the Iron Throne. I mean, in all honesty, it was a Stark Rebellion as much as a Baratheon one. Ned lost his father, brother, and sister. Robert just lost a wife(although one he never stopped loving, so I'll give some points to that), but I'm pretty sure Ned thought the pre-rebellion Robert would have been a good fit for king, but he really deteriorated after the rebellion
John Hetherton
I have no idea actually. It might be mentioned in the books somewhere, but I don't remember it being said anywhere.
I've said it the entire time. Two things I've said since my friend put me on to this show and I watched Episode 1. Okay, 3 things I've said.1. House Stark is my favorite (which is intended, they were the Good Guy in this Shell Game for us all to get behind with an emotional investment).2. The Throne is Targaryean. This will never change. So the Boratheon kids arguing over Blood Rights is silly.3. House Stark, at least under Ned, AGREE it's a Targaryean Throne... which gets proven by Ned twice. Once in which it's finally revealed that Jon IS a Targaryean, and once when he defends Daenerys as the Hand.I had never read the books, but at Episode One I was certain of these things to which later are revealed to be true. I didn't know at the time that Jon was Targaryean or that Ned would basically save Dany's life, but I did feel his sense of Honor wouldn't allow him to take the Throne (and him knowing the entire time that Jon is Targaryean sort of makes other things he did make sense now).
Not "a Stark man", but Howland Reed, of Deepwood Motte, father of Meera and Jojen. He's the one who killed Sir Arthur Dayne (the owner of The Sword of Morning).
+MystikMocha Right! I thought I had it wrong shortly after I posted and was gonna look it up but then honestly I had already gotten a few videos ahead and wasn't exactly sure which video I had said this on, but thank you for the correction.
What is it that they call the people from there? It's something like "something-men" (I know that sounds silly, but I just can't remember what it was... I read it on one of the wikis for the books not the shows)
+MystikMocha that's it... I feel like I should do some re-reading, but every time I do I end up mad at the end of book 5 at how frickin long it's taking for 6 to come out.
No, the wound Howland inflicted (on screen at least) would likely have proved fatal had Ned not made the killing stroke shortly thereafter. So Ned killed him, that much is true, it just didn't go down the way he allowed everyone to imagine it did.
+MystikMocha I searched for "civilization c" but everything that came back was "Civilization V" or "Civilization 5", is that the one?
+Jo hn ?
2 years later , this guy was right. Great job.
Bran also has his wolf, and Aria's wolf is still alive, and she wargs into it at night, but I guess she doesn't actually have it, since it is not with her.
Nah Summer (Brans wolf) is dead
An na When did that happen?
Simon Als Nielsen I don't remember exactly, one of the last episodes of the last season, when the white walkers are attacking Bran and the others (the episode with Hodor)
And that's what was interesting, because it marks the beginning of winter ("Summer" is dead because winter is now there)
S6, E5: The Door.
what if... after finding out his heritage Jon SNAPS!! and becomes as obsessed with the iron throne as stannis! and uses white walkers to take it!! MIND BLOWN!!
now that's unexpected!!!
totally
takemeonajetplane uncharacteristic
thats the same as saying that if i find out im german, i all of a sudden start hating jews.
Then he finds a sword called Frostmourne and gets corrupted by it
You are contradicting yourself while concluding that Jon is the ultimate do-gooder and Daenerys the ultimate villain. Jon rushed straight into a losing battle which would have left the north defenseless in the hands of Ramsey, and to an extent would have fucked over and doomed the entirety of Westeros were it not for Sansa's help. Daenerys conquers yes, but also abolishes slavery and reaving along the way. If anything I think that Daenerys is the one portrayed as a villain with her dragons and black banners, but will turn out to be the noble force. Jon is the one portrayed as a hero.
Exactly. Also that whole Jesus thing seems a little too black and white for GRRM too. I mean Jon turning out to be the hero is basically a classic trope.
Agreed. I don't think neither of them will be the hero/villain because both share their fair number of flaws but are also kind to other people and have a good judgment. Cercei will be the great villain.
Exactly. Anyone calling someone desperately attempting to free people from the type of slavery depicted on this show, as evil, really makes me question where their train of thought is coming from. The fact that she has almost unanimous support amongst the freed people and the lower classes also makes me scratch my head at people saying Dany is evil.
Maybe I'm looking at this from the wrong perspective, and there are people who do in fact root for the slavers. From that perspective I can see how Dany could be evil to them.
They are most likely the chosen ones together. A song of ice and fire.
Plus deanerys is propably not a villain
This video has aged nicely
North alliance with white walkers versus the bad actor daneris, bring it on.
I dont get all the hate for Dany. I love my khaleesi.
+RollTide8569 Well, she coldly watched her brother die while he was begging, "Dany! Please!" She burned Mirri Maz Duur alive for performing the blood magic that she asked her to perform. She has entombed people, set her dragons on people, crucified random people, and trapped people in a burning building, all because they offended her in some way. She has conquered cities by force, and demanded that they abandon their culture, and do what she commands. She is now sailing at the head of an invasion fleet, ready to cause countless casualties so that she can sit on the Iron Throne, which she feels entitled to because of her birth. Other than that, she's a real sweetheart. Unless you're Jorah or Dario.
To be fair, viserys was abusive to her, the witch killed her husband, and slavery is bad, mmmkay!
RollTide8569 Your point of view is what makes many people see Daenerys as good. It is what makes her a gray character, rather than an obvious villain, to many people. She seems to be doing the right thing. But do you believe that bad people deserve to die, and that bad cultures deserve to be conquered? To support Dany's conquests is to embrace the idea that the ends justify the means, and the idea that might makes right, so a supreme ruler can do anything they deem necessary. Dictatorships are bad, mmmkay?
Was Viserys so abusive to Dany that he deserved to die? Was he posing an immediate, real threat to her safety? Viserys arranged a political marriage, which was the way things were done in that world. He did some trash-talking about her. He was a jerk. He was also the rightful heir, her full blood brother, and a human being with a right to live.
Murder is bad, mmmkay?
The witch did not kill Khal Drogo. She treated the wounded Khal with healing herbs, which he removed because they itched. He used dirt to cover the wound, which then became infected. At or near the point of death, Dany ordered the witch to use blood magic to keep him alive. She did that, although he was left in a vegetative state. She was happy about the outcome, as she did want vengeance on the Dothraki for destroying her village, and raping and enslaving herself and her people. If bad people deserve to die, then surely Khal Drogo deserved death. In the end, it was Dany who mercy-killed her husband.
Slavery is one of the worst evils in the world, and ending it is a noble goal. But how it is ended does matter. In the US, it was ended with a Civil War. Abolition was imposed on the slave-owners, and this manner of ending slavery caused problems that we are still dealing with.
You bring up some good points....i just really want to put my weiner in her though.
I'm season 2 i think Stannis will sit on the Iron Throne
You have much, much to learn.
Think again
SPOILER ALERT : Stannis is already dead at the end of season 6
lol, they tell you he is dead in the video. why would you watch if you are only on season 2?
+Lynn Triebl Because it's à joke you idiot
Ice and fire. Jon and Danny. It just makes sense.
I have a feeling Jon might kill Danaerys.
What If Jon snoops around in the depths of winterfell and finds a dragon egg ... for some reason ... just to mindfuck us all.
The song of ice and fire
But maybe Jon is the ice and fire? He is partly targaryen and stark
FireDingo20 true
Jon Snow has two eggs
+quelorepario his balls?
Even though a sarcastic voice is used throughout this video haha ! It’s probably one of the most direct & I think in the end we’ll all find closely accurate.
Great video
SPOILER ALERT: Everyone you like will die.
Nahhhh, they'll never kill Oberyn...
how do you always get here so early lel
+CoZMos KING OF THE NORTH
+Official Brandonly Oberyn would've destroyed everyone. He probably would've single-handedly killed the entire white walker army, and the dragons, and Jon Snow (again)
***** Ned Stark is the greatest hero and the story revolves around his noble adventures
The end will be Fire and Ice: Jon driving a sword of FIRE into the Night King`s ALTAR OF ICE (Remember when the Night King turned a baby into a White Walker on it? As long as that altar exists the White Walkers can`t be stopped). Just as the Doom destroyed Valyria, Jon will destroy Northeros. In other words... the reverse of the King Arthur tale! (By some amazing coincidence, Jon's father killed a man called ser *ARTHUR* to save Jon, a knight who wielded a totally unique sword called *DAWN*).
Jago Sevetar Neds sword was called 'Ice' and Briennes sword is made out of the valyrian steal from it, just to mention
***** Thanks for that insightful and logical argument.
He's talking about Ser Arthur Dayne, the man who Ned killed to rescue Lyanna. Arthur's sword is called Dawn.
***** Exactly, my point is, GOT works in circles (eg. Jaime stopped the Mad King, and now Cersei is the Mad Queen). Given that King Arthur drew a sword from the stone, it would make sense if the "true" king Jon Snow drove Arthur's sword INTO stone (or ice) at the end of GOT.
***** No, I'm wrong, or no, you have no argument?
Jon Snow is the man.
Just John Snow. -Davos Seaworth
Internet Entity actually it's Aegon not john
It's actually Jaehaerys, why would Rhaegar call both his sons Aegon? The first Jaehaerys was called the conciliator because he patched up Westeros after Maegor the Cruel. There's an obvious parallel between Maegor the Cruel and Mad King Aerys, so it makes sense that Rhaegar would call his prince who was promised Jaehaerys
Also Jon makes alliances like its nobody's business, Jaehaerys reunited crown and faith, settled the Blackwood/Bracken feud for his lifetime, etc
Ace Clifton there is also the issue of Fake Aegon being in the books
Great political reading of Daenerys, who also stands for the violence of the pre-civilizatory/pre-political (incest, dragons, fire, even the Dothrakis). The best closure, the real "breaking of the wheel", would have to include her demise & the destruction of the throne itself.
I don't see the show going this way without causing an uproar, especially because the show itself hasn't been really interested in problematizing Daenerys as a political figure. It's rather chosen to celebrate her in spectacular terms. Hence the huge amounts of money spent in CGI dragons.
very well said
feel like i'm a solid 50% of the views lmao, every time i watch this i get major goosebumps
Petyr Baelish seem more likely to be the villain
True dat. If Varys says hes the most dangerous man in Westeros I believe him. Don't forget he is the one who started the war between Lannisters and Starks convincing this wacky lady from the Eyrie to poison her husband and put the blame on the Lannisters. I'm also pretty convinced that he spread the rumor about Lyannas alleged kidnapping because he knew that Robert would start a war and take Ned with him leaving Catelyn all to himself. This smirky grin he had on his face while he was talking with Sansa in the Winterfell crypts...
The last part of what you're saying is wrong. At that time Petyr was sent home to the Fingers after the failed browl with Brandon and the abortion of his supposed kid with Lysa. Only after the Rebelion he came back to the highborn ambient, with the help of Lysa, he was named in a financial position in the city of Gulltown and after that he was sent by Arryn to the capital due to his succes with financial growth in revenues from Gulltown( a big city in the Vale) Only after that he came in contact with the real power, few years before the events.
Yes, there is Petyr, and there is Euron too. They will take the role of the main villain at the next season, but they will not be the final, the ultimate villain themselves.
Petyr only wants to fuck with the arrogant entitled and cruel lords of Westeros who have picked on him for all his life. He might be a just ruler for all we know.
Little finger is shady AF
2:22 "Stark man" That was Howland Reed m8
A man along with a Stark.
yeah right, thats why we call ned typically a barratheon man
Are you a Trump man? 'cause you're silly :P
+Rambard Are you stupid? His death is non-existent. He never died.
some people just loooove correcting people before considering the context or point of view..it makes them feel goood, but makes them look stupid
Somebody read the season eight script.
This video was made before the season 7 script even existed
Ok if Jon refuses the throne, then who takes it?
Motherfucking Civil War all over again!!!
Or the Small Council creates something akin to a democracy, and eventually Westeros exits the "dark ages".
The Maesters will set up an indefinite regency. Sam has to have some purpose being at the Citadel. He isn't gonna learn any more about how to kill the Others beyond obsidian and dragon fire and Bran will most likely relate their origins to Jon so there's not much left for Sam to discover himself. He must have another purpose there - what better replacement for the constant battling over a throne than a council of learned men who are (supposedly) neutral and apolitical?
Sansa Will siT on the Iron throne, like Elisabeth 1st....
I think Sam will dicover how to make Valyrian steel, there must be a reason for stealing his father's sword.
I hope they melt the iron throne with dragons' Fire and make a big table...so that a Counsel can rule the westeros...
Really good review of the series. Are you also a secret Targ? And will Jon survive to partake of the peace he brokers?
thanks! those questions seem destined to remain unanswered...for now ;)
I think you are completely right
Jon will go north to take charge of the people beyond the wall, if the magic survives maybe even become the new Nights King. Westeros will Balkanize into seven separate kingdoms.
Does he turn into an Other? I think you may be right about the balkanizing.
You missed the part of Sansa most likely ending up on the throne since she is based off Queen Elizabeth the 1st
Shes slowly learning the game shes starting to understand the low borns struggle and she clearly know not to follow the example of horrible leaders ie Joffrey Cersei Robert She is well educated and coincides with the themes of lineage doesnt matter She will be a single Queen with no King it's either her or Young Griff
it doesnt make sense for her to become queen. daenerys has dragons, as much as i hate her, and a birthright. sansa will not marry jon, as they are siblings, so even if jon is the rightful heir theres no logical way for her to become queen. she doesnt have the army, or the support.
She has Littlefinger.
doesnt fit her storyline, maybe ruling winterfell maybe even the north but not the 7 kingdoms.
it would be random and unearned !
in the end i dont think anyone will end up on the iron throne and if there was someone i think tyrion would be best fit to rule !
lmao at "good ruler" as if the past Kings were "good rulers".
Wow you did pretty good on this for being 2 year old contemplation. One thing though: "There won't be a happy ending." I genuinely laughed so hard at this. While it didn't end happily for everyone (looking at you Dany), the last episode had all the stark children get a happily ever after, even the randoms that survived are serving the new king. I was always rooting for the white walkers to when honestly, knew it wouldn't happen but at least it would have been interesting.
Ha, you're SO right.
For many people GOT didn't have a happy ending because it didn't end the way they wanted it to end.
People wanted Daenerys and Jon to become king and queen and have many beautiful inbred children together, yeah right....like THAT was ever going to happen.
This ending was as happy as GOT ever going to get.
Jon reunited with Ghost and Tormund to live in the high north because KL was NEVER his home anyway.
Daenerys DID break the wheel in the end.
And Tyrion finally got into the position he excels at, ruling while surrounding himself with trustworthy people.
Bran becomes King, Sansa becomes Queen of the North, Arya gets to be an explorer, Gendry is lord of Storms end, Sam becomes a Grandmaester and a father, Lord Davos becomes master of ships, Bronn gets his castle and Brienne and Pod are both members of the kings guard.
Now I agree that the pacing of the last 2 seasons was badly executed, I understand the criticism in that regard.
But the overall ending I find satisfying and fitting enough.
Jon will refuse the throne, but allow Sansa to have it, with Petyr Baelish by her side.
what will happen to jon
I think Little finger won't be alive end of season 7. Sansa would understand his motives, his plans behind Ned's execution. I don't think she will fall for him again.
I think there are chances that Jon will marry Sansa. as they are cousins and it is acceptable in targaryans.
I suspect Jon becomes the new Night King to ward the lands above the Wall.
As for the Throne the dragons will melt it down! Democracy will rule in Westeros
John George Washington Jesus Snow
I lost it
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oh my god very very true it happened in season 8 episode 6 oh my fucking god you were spot on "after 2 years it happened".