Because the TV show does all but care about the history and the character development. They forgot that it was the main reason why the show was successful
"The things I do for love" could've just as easily been uttered by Rhaegar just before destroying the entirety of Westeros through the consequences of his actions. As Maester Aemon said, "Love is the death of duty".
You probably watched the long night battle at winterfell. Arya stark the survivor of westeros. Many of us and i absolutely believe it would be Jon who would slain the Night King but instead it was Arya, Ned's girl.
@@Brandonhayhew, no offense intended, but what does that have to do with my comment haha? PS - Arya killing the Night King was probably the worst written part of the entire series.
@@SSPspaz Your comment is about Rhaegar's actions that caused the downfall of his family's dynasty. Everyone of us images that his son would kill trh night King but instead it was arya. It may be the show but it was unexpected. The book better give us a different way on how the night King is defeated
@@Brandonhayhew, on that we agree entirely! The show's producers admitted that they had Arya kill the NK only because it would be unexpected. In other words, they just wanted a shocking resolution. Good writing doesn't subvert expectations just for the sake of subverting expectations. When GRRM killed the Starks at the Red Wedding, or when he had Ned beheaded, there was a narrative purpose. I can't say the same for having Arya kill the NK. And it also ruins any real resolution of the prophecies about Azor Ahai, the Prince Who Was Promised, etc. At this point, I can't wait for the final two books from GRRM so I can hear the REAL end of the story. Not this bullshit HBO has been pushing over the last couple seasons.
SSPspaz About love being the death of duty. Could you flip that and argue that Jon Snow’s duty (joining the watch and fighting against the armies of the dead etc) was inspired by love? Because he doesn’t want everybody in he loves and holds dear in the North to die? So maybe love isn’t the death duty but the very inspiration behind it?
There's another little piece of evidence toward Jon Snow being Azor Ahai that wasn't mentioned in the video. Part of the prophecy says that Azor Ahai will be born beneath a bleeding star. Ser Arthur Dayne died while protecting Lyanna Stark during Jon Snow's birth. The sigil of house Dayne is a sword and a shooting star, and Ser Arthur Dayne was known as the Sword of the Morning. Ser Arthur Dayne was a star that bled on the day of Jon Snow's birth.
@@glesoniadennis6253 It's stands for Dan and Dave. The first names of the two writers of Game of Thrones. The same writers who gave us the shitty season 8 we got.
Rhaegar is probably one of the most interesting characters in the entire show that we only see through a vision for a few seconds. I'd really like to see the story of Roberts rebellion and the events leading up to it play out in a prequel series
Jon played a huge role in stopping the White Walkers. He informed everyone of the danger that was coming. He saved the wildlings at Hardhome. He went to Daenerys to get the dragonglass. He had the dragonglass mined. He killed Daenerys preventing her from unleashing her warped vision on the world.
@@shakiradaley6936 he didn't inform everyone. The maesters in old town were not told or shown and probable will think the whole thing was a bunch of Northmen superstition. Many others were also not told, and they won't believe. The people he did tell were the Northmen who were gonna fight anyways, Cersei who didn't really care, and Danny whom he screwed by making her go North to save his life only to lose a dragon and then he would betray her and say he had no choice but to bend the knee when she had sworn to fight for the North without his loyalty. Said dragon she lost was also the reason why the WW came across anyways so this didn't help the living whatsoever. The dragonglass was also useless as arrows with a bit of fire were far more helpful and most kept their original blades as dragonglass is very brittle and only useful against white walkers who didn't do much in the long night. I'll give you killing Danny, but if him and his sister and Tyrion didn't keep betraying and antagonizing she wouldn't have lost so much and snapped like she did (which still doesn't make sense as Danny always tried to help the weak and wouldn't have killed them after she had won just so she can be a mad queen).
Arya wouldn't be there if Jon was still dead, because the battle of the bastards lead into the recapture of Winterfell, which led Arya Back and that Brotherhood guy was also sent back half a dozen times to protects her just once
We all can agree that d&d fucked up the series after season 4 or 5, until it was still good but 7& 8 are just disasters, I want a fucking reboot after the books are released.
But it was Jon who killed Daenarys when she went off her Prozac. She would’ve been a far more evil tyrant than the Night King. Plus Jon had The Night Kings attention his full attention after watching him Fight and kill a White Walker General at Hardhomme. And Baited albeit Unbenownced to either one of them. Baited the Night King into Arya’s Trap and consequent Assassination. And Jon who encouraged Arya’s Warrior Spirit and Led all them Mfkrs the entire show. Jon Snow 1000% is Azhor Ahai. My only real Beef with the ending was that Jon Snow should’ve Challenged Grey Worm to a Trial By Combat for his freedom to go and do whatever the hell he wanted. That’s the fight we all wanted to see. And Tormund should’ve Saved Brianne at some Point fighting the White Walkers and they should’ve ended up together
"His actions led to Jon, who may be the hero who saves the world." Turns out he's pretty inconsequential and just repeats stuff like "Yur my queen" and "I dunt want it"
light bringer swords actually on heart of dany.azar haul is jon snow.of course he is song of ice and fire.and that sword is now lost forever.because dragon took danys body and fly away.may that’s why bran the broken try to locate dragon.
Saving the world from darkness may very well be to kill Daenerys before she burns the world and not to actually kill the night king. In GoT things are never what they seem...
@@AndersRapp Yeah, but then why those 7 seasons of buld up? I doubt that this was their plan. I think, D&D at some point run out of source material and the notes from Martin. They had a rough idea where it all would end, but no clue how to get there and because they got offered also a deal by Disney to get to writte something for Star Wars, they decided to rush things. Since season 5, things have really changed and the quality of the show has declined with Season 8 being the worst. I bet Dany ends up on the throne and John or Arya or something like that kills her, while everyone asks John to become King, but he refuses and they still make him King anyway cuz they love him and he rules over Westeros. Who knows.
Dark Dagger They really shat on it. It’s like they took all the prophecies and character arcs, flipped them upside down and made worst possible versions of beloved characters imaginable.
What the so called 'azor ahai' has done till now. 1. Acted foolishly resulting in the death of a dragon. 2. Didn't listen to sansa and took all the credit for winning against Ramsey including crowning himself as king of winterfell. 3. Didn't listen to yigritte(yegritte?) and led her to her death. Didn't act as a good leader resulting in his own death. And we are supposed to root for him, when the whole point of the series is you make a wrong move, you die... when he was passing his time on the wall daenerys was making an army, freeing slaves, raising dragons. Arya trained to avenge her father. Sansa struggled to escape psychopaths. And you know what he says when he comes back catlyn stark didn't give him special treatment and made him eat alone. Damn he is such a cry baby. He can't be king please
@@pushkarsaraf9501 I think he's a good man, many in his shoes wouldn't have become as great as he is now. Imagine all your life being called a bastard by the low and the high when you're actually the rightful king of the seven kingdoms, being mistreated by your fake father's wife, being lied to all your life so you try to redeem yourself by going to the night's watch and people actually choose you as their leader and decision maker just to stab you in the back when you do whats right (saving the wildlings), yet he still strives for the betterment of all people not just his. I agree he might've made impulsive decisions before but they are overwhelmed by his great deeds and kind person in my opinion.
I find Rhaegar Targaryen utterly fascinating. On one hand we have this archetype of the Hero, the Prince, the Philosopher King of Plato almost. On the other, the wretched man who kidnapped a gullible teenager and sunk the Realm in chaos for what? Rhaegar is a man haunted by the ghosts of Dragon Dreams and obtuse prophecies; whose melancholy stops him from becoming the man the realm needs; with no political influence or understanding of who he is and where he is. In another story, he would’ve won the war and taken Lyanna to be his second wife if not his main wife. In another story he would’ve saved the world. But he’s just remembered as a shadowy figure, better than the King and as wretched as him. And the funny thing is, we will never know what went through his head when he decided that The Dragon has Three Heads. Gods, I hate you Rhaegar.
@@abobanger9054 bruh she was 15-year-old teen and he was an adult man, it's not real love, i mean not unless you're kind of a person who believes that dany and drogo were in love
@@natestrasburg there wa no pile of dead white walkers around bran. Theon ran straight to the night king with no pile in sight or nearby. Also not that many wights died near bran.
Rhaegar at some point during the Roberts Rebellion probably Rhaegar: Also from now on, we’ll be using codenames Rhaegar: You can address Aegon as Aegon One Rhaegar: Elia, codename: Been There Done That Rhaegar: Lyanna is: Currently Doing That Rhaegar: Cersei is: It Happened Once In A Dream Rhaegar: And Jon is... Rhaegar: ...Aegon Two
I've always called Jon the Song of Ice and Fire. Love-making or conception has always been referred to as "making music" and I'd like to think that the romanticism is a metaphor for Rhaegar and Lyanna's love. Jon is their song. A token of their love. The Song of Ice and Fire.
Also, thinking outside the box here. If Rhaegar sacrificed the thousands of people who died in Robert's Rebellion for the millions of lives that would be lost to the Whitewalkers, is that not justified within itself? Granted some selfish intentions may have been layered in, but if the entire House of the Dragon believes that one of their blood is the only thing from stopping the end of the world, is it not his duty (or at least in his head) to make sure that the line continues?
She does ask R'hllor to show her Azor Ahai in the books..all she sees in the Fires is Snow. Shes pretty confused as to why she keeps seeing Snow when asking about Azor Ahai.
While I think the last theory is correct, I am certain Rhaegar didn’t know it. He never thought he was going to die at the Trident as he planned to make changes on his return. Rhaegar likely had prophetic dreams but those are always misinterpreted and cause the person to take actions that cause the prophecy to come true, but not in the way they intended.
To add something to this theory, the part about "putting the sword through his beloved wife" could also be interpreted as : by choosing Lyana, Rhaegar betrayed Elia, putting a sword through her heart metaphorically (and then indirectly when she was killed due to his actions)
In a way, it is very in line with people’s observations/theories about gods/fate having a grim sense of humor/irony. What better way to cap off a story about a savior of the entire world than with a divine dick joke?
@@DarthDookieMan I truly hope that this book series that has so much symbolism and important themes that reflects the real world while exploring the nuances and complexities of the human heart doesn’t end up being about a dick joke. In my personal opinion it is more interesting if Rhaegal is a tragically ironic character. That would make his character incredibly nuanced imo
No, he actually didn't. He was dead by the time Lyanna gave birth to Jon, Lyanna is the one who named him. Based on the name scheme of his kids, I believe Rhaegar was expecting a girl, which he could name Visenya, based on the names of the first Targaeryens conquerors (Aegon and his sisters Rhaenys & Visenya)
I don’t see how can anyone possibly see Rheager as a hero. Even if John become an important character in saving the GOT universe in the book, it would basically be a unintended good consequences of a terrible action. Whether Rheager loved Lyanna or not he knew in medieval even eloping with a maiden without the permission of the father/brother was an offense of kidnapping and dishonorable. Brandon’s reaction to his sister’s disappearance was very realistic for that time period. Mad king killing the starks was just final nail in the coffin, Rheager have already dishonored three family (Starks, Martells and Baratheon) there was no way his actions was not going to create chaos.
The prophecy was the hero who would save the world. If Rhaegar believed his actions would fulfil it he thought he was sacrificing the few to save the many. It was intended he talks about how a Dragons needs three heads when he has 2 children so he's planning it out.
To clarify the conclusion - Rhaegar probably wasn't riding to the Trident expecting to die there - he tells Jaime that he plans to call a council after the battle. But it's still plausible that Rhaegar had some general suspicion that his death, and the deaths of his family, might be part of his prophetic destiny - and that this foreknowledge contributed to his melancholy and sense of doom. Or maybe he had no idea and was only in it for his bae Lyanna - "Rubies flew like drops of blood from the chest of a dying prince, and he sank to his knees in the water and with his last breath murmured a woman’s name" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Alt Shift X What if the tourney at Harrenhal wasn't just to bring the Lords together to meet to rid them of Aerys. What if Elia knew Everything. She is Dornish, ill, and probably dying. I can truly see her especially as a princess and a mother helping Rhaegar and Lyanna to secure the future for her own children as well. She may have loved him even too. This all could have been to set in a new era. The crown of blue roses is why I can't let it go. That would take some time and planning to have on hand for the tourney. They are Soo rare. What if Rhaegar was there to prove himself. He did by winning. Then show his intentions of the future and his future Queen as well. Maybe this wasn't their first time meeting. Maybe this was a coming out party so to speak. Aerys just was a party crasher so it went a little bit off.
A woman's name you say? Not specifically Lyanna's name? Would there at all be another woman's name he would murmur? Not Elia of course, ha! But perhaps someone else important to him, a woman who might be Azor Ahai? Perhaps...a new born sister? ;) Well dats jus a thoery, A GAYME...OF THRONS THEERY!
@@oaky9834 I believe Jaime really loved Cersei, that's for sure, and she loved him in her own way. But Rhaegar loving Lyanna? Knowing his obsession, I'm pretty sure he was just following the prophecy.
The thing that confuses me most in this is Lyanna. If she found out that her (and to a much greater extent Rhaegar's) actions led to her father and brother being grotesquely killed by the Mad King, why would she in any way still stay with him? Not only that, but her own brother Ned was now fighting a war against Aerys II, and was in danger everyday of being killed on the battlefield. Either she never found out (Rhaegar purposefully never told her, despite finding out from Gerold Hightower who was there when Rickard and Brandon were killed, which is rape by deception) or she found out but still was kept at the Tower of Joy, perhaps against her will. From the characterization of Lyanna (headstrong, willfull, dedicated tomboy, etc), it would seem that she would've at least attempted an escape, but was prevented by the Kingsguard. Whatever happened, this does not make Rhaegar look good at all. In my opinion, Rhaegar is most definitely not the true hero of Game of Thrones, Ned is, because after all of Rhaegar's bad decisions, Ned made the choice to save an innocent child, raised him right, and set him on the course to be a good person in a world that too often eats them up.
She was a very pregnant 15 year old who loves rhaegar. Why would she abandon him and his plan because of something his crazy dad did? And even if she wanted to, how could she physically do anything?
Well the whole episode of Ned declaring Jamie the king slayer without knowing why he slayed the king, and later in the series where Ned's actions led to his own death because he wasnt fully aware of the circumstances, it shows that in his attempt to be the most honourable man in westeroes all he managed to become was a confused idiot. Never even told his kids that he didn't beat Arthur dayne in a fair battle!
Ok after this I see why everyone was mad that Arya killed the night king. Now I’m thinking why would they wanna waste this all for nothing for “shock value”
@@coolflames6649 but why, WHY did HBO allow it? I'm sure they had the authority to get rid of those idiots and hire Miguel Sapochnik and more competent people! I will never understand....
@@luciamota1249 HBO probably wanted the same thing. They know how hyped the people are for season 8 and they just wanna cashed in before the shows over with little budget
Yeah right. Rhaegar left his original wife and two kids, marry another girl to conceive his third child that meant absolutely nothing in the end. JON AND HIS SIBLINGS (RHAENYS AND AEGON) DESERVED BETTER!! DAMN IT HBO! WHY DO YOU HAVE TO EXILE JON TO THE WALL?? Still so disappointed grrr.
Jon going to the north makes sense, I don't think he was really interested in ruling. He does not have the heart of a king. But he should at least have killed the Night King.
"Love is the death of duty." Jon: Chooses duty over love, killing Daenerys. Survives the series and saves the kingdoms from a mad queen. Robb: Chooses love over duty, marrying another when he is promised to Roslin Frey. Dies, gets most of his men killed and his whole cause set back.
A lot of people had to die for Jon's birth. Could they be considered a blood sacrifice? I also think that Rhaegar was mad. He just had to wait for his father to die (or overthrow him) and then reign peacefully. Instead he acts rash and throws it all away for a "prophecy". Kind of how King Baelor walks across Westoros to jump into a pit of vipers, thinking the gods will protect him. Mad, I say.
preetika ray Honestly season of build up that were spent escalating tensions between Jon and the Night King and building Jon up as Azor Ahai were absolutely dashed.
preetika ray The first sword broke when Jon failed to temper his blade in water (ice) of the Night King. The second sword broke when he failed to temper his blade in the heart of a lion - Cersei. He finally tempered his sword in his true love forged with the death of his beloved - Daenaerys. He brings light not by beating the walkers but by ridding the world of a new reign of terror under Targaryen rule.
Anonymous I guess we will find out if the books ever get completed. As of right now, I don’t see her doing that. For one main reason; there is a no Night King in the books.
I just remembered this line in the fanfic I read that if Rhaegar wanted a Visenya he should've find a woman with a lot of sisters and not a lot of brothers. I just find it funny 😭
Robert didnt start a war to win her back. Brandon Stark went to confront King Aerys and demanded to have Lyanna "back" from Rhaegar. Aerys then imprisoned him and his companions (all lordlings from the north) and sent for their fathers. When they came they we're all executed. Then Aerys ordered Jon Arryn to give him Eddard Stark. Eddard then fled the vale and he, Jon Arryn (Who saw Eddard as a son), Hoster Tully and Robert Baratheon all called their banners to bring down Aerys. So the war didnt happen just because Robert wanted Lyanna, but because Aerys was an imbeccile and the lords of Westeros were tired of him.
@@tooslow4065 It's been told repeatedly and mentioned in this video two. Mad King Aerys II was crazy, violent and paranoid. Of course he would burn any that would challenge him.
Masterful work once again, Alt Shift. Really appreciate the time and effort you put forth to make these. Give everyone at ASX the day off after this one!
People painting this is a love story irritate me lol. I doubt romance was the main factor of Rhaegar's or Lyanna's actions. Lyanna wanted to escape a betrothal to a loathsome man and Rhaegar took advantage of that cause he wanted his prophecy baby. They're victims of their own actions and Elia, her children and the realm were all collateral damage.
You make the best breakdowns. Theres so many TH-camrs riding on the coattails of show's popularity. Churning out misinformation and nonsense for the sake of views. I just watched a video of a guy that thought needle is Valyrian steel, the Hound is still on Arya's list, and mistook the Flayed Man sigil for the Night's King. In short: we can tell you are a true fan and thank you.
@Punkfuk I'll check the book. I remembered Jon buying it flat out and thought it was valyrian steel, hence the naming of the sword, because only valyrian swords are named. It's been many years since I read the books, I could be mistaken.
Dustin Ryan I’m pretty sure it was made in the castle. Also I don’t think Jon had the money or resources to outright buy a Valyrian steel sword they had just laying around in the North.
I am still pissed at the show for that stupid line: "Roberts Rebellion was built on a lie". Yeah sure, Brandon and Rickard Stark were apparently never brutally murdered and Aerys never demanded Neds and Roberts death which caused Jon Arryn to call his banners. Fucking genius writing.
Echo2602 As someone who isn't a reader of the books, I found that whole speech to be stupid. Instead of telling the audience through visuals and metaphors, they beat the info dumps over their heads like their stupid.
Echo2602 Brandon and Rickard were murdered because they thought that Lyanna was kidnapped by Rhaegar. But she wasn't. The rebellion WAS built on a lie.
Insert-a-Name brandon went first to Kings Landing and demanded to see rhaegear to explain his actions. It was Aerys who imprisoned him becuase he thought he was a traitor. If rheager had come out and talked to brandon and released him saying lyanna loves me, which I doubt actually happened, than no one dies. Hence no war. So therefore, the war wasn't built on a lie and brandon and Rickard would still have brutally murdered. If only rhaegear wasn't such a dickhead...
Insert-a-Name Rhaegar, the crown prince, fled with a Lord Paramount's betrothed. He should have known better. His insolence and stupidity caused the downfall of his house. The fool got what he deserved.
That would be great because for some of us that never read the book, it was hard to appreciate the backstory which required careful listening through show. I know that the actor (Jon Snow) was pitched the possibility for a spin-off of GOT but he said a big No to that feeling nearly 10 years of his life was enuf invested.
they will never stop making spinoffs. HOTD has been every bit as good as GOT's heyday in my opinion, which will only embolden hbo to greenlight more series.. let's see how they do with the hedge knight. in a perfect world they'll even adapt GRRM's writings of both Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring if we ever see them hit publication. (gods be good)
In interviews, George has talked about how he always wanted to write a story where the grand hero of the story dies or loses at the beginning, and the aftermath of it. Makes sense now...
He is actually talking about eddard, but keep telling yourself that rheagar is a stereotypical hero. Cause running away from your wife and children to fuck a 14 year old and start a war is the hero way. Pfftt.
I subscribed to the Visenya theory. It's really aligned with Dany's vision at the House of the Undying. It's clear that Rhaegar needed another person to complete the three heads and it's also very coincident that he named his two children Rhaenys and Aegon. Elia was frail but Rhaegar needed a Visenya. Visenya was known to be a fierce warrior and possessed a different beauty than Rhaenys who was more beautiful and lady-like. Lyanna was a lady warrior and had always defied traditional lady demeanor. I think that Rhaegar saw Visenya in her and at the Trident, I think Rhaegar murmured Visenya (instead of Lyanna or Elia). I think it's a great way for GRRM to teach fans about prophecy (it doesn't always turn out to be the way characters wanted). Instead of a girl, Lyanna gave birth to a boy. In the end, Jon ultimately will be the prince that was promised even though Rhaegar didn't plan for it that way. Dany, though, is the Azor Ahai, I believe the two prophecies are separate and represent two different characters (makes more sense because she has dragons and that's a much more believable Lightbringer). EDIT: For the last theory to be true, it must have meant that when Rhaegar ran away with Lyanna (to complete the third set of the AA prophecy), he had already predicted his son (Aegon) to be killed by a Lannister/someone related to Lannister. Which is improbable because Lannisters weren't taking anyone's side not until near the end of Robert's Rebellion which was way after Lyanna's 'abduction' and even so, how could he have predicted that Lannisters were going to be ahead of Ned in raiding King's Landing and be the one murdering Elia's children. Also pretty cruel that Rhaegar had accepted that his toddler son is to be killed by a Lannister.
I agree with everything you say but the fact the Jon is NOT the baby in the tower. The truth is that Dany was born in the tower of joy then was switch with Jon at Starfall. Ashara Dayne took the baby to Dragon Stone were the baby that having Queen Rhallae's baby die. Dany is really Visenya. Rheagar is Azor Ahai Light bringer is Jamie. Not sure what Jon is but he might the second head of Dragon.
Or that she gave birth to triplets. Each one residing to the great houses he offended. Rhaegar goes to the Stark. Visenya goes to Martel. Rhaeys goes to Baratheon. Or idk. Maybe the 3 houses will be the 3 heads of the dragon. Cersei Baratheon, Jon Stark, Daenerys Targaryen (Martell bloodline).
wanderingbufoon you know that will never bring peace. Not with Cersei alive. She will never stop doing what she has done so far and that is put her selfish needs ahead of absolutely everything. Morals. Honour. etc.
wanderingbufoon Yeah, cool I'm all for that. Cersei cannot be trusted though. Not even as far as Tyrion could throw the mountain. Night king is definitely a shared threat, but look what she says to Jamie after the "truce" she plans to march on the unprotected strongholds the moment their forces march north. I'm about to go reply to another video on how Cersei should die. Have a laugh and go read my hate filled foaming at the mouth response to that. lol Anyway, is it not also possible that Baratheon's heir (now traveling with Jon and the Hound) could provide that head? Or even the weird theory that Rhaegar isn't really dead and lives on in jaqin h'gar (sorry for spelling)? But yes, if she is the one to help stop the dead army then they need to use her but she needs to be taken prisoner the very instant she's no longer of use or we will rapidly be back to good people dying to promote her sick agenda. She wants that thing in her belly to continue the Lannister line and that cannot happen. Only maybe Tyrion should be left alive and the jury is still out on Jamie in my opinion.
You can see in both theories how Goerge R. R. Martin's writings were inspired by Dune. If Rhaegar is the hero and knows the Song of Ice and Fire ahead of time, then he intentionally brings death to his family to create the Prince that was Promised, humanity's one chance of survival. This parallels with Paul Arteides' son Leto II prophetically knowing the Golden Path, and sacrificing his humanity and intentionally being a brutal dictator to save humanity from extinction so that the Golden Path comes true. Alternatively, if Jon is the hero, Jon Snow saved humankind by sacrificing love and his own humanity. Jon succeeded, making the necessary sacrifices where his father Rhaegar, could not. Much like in Dune, when Paul has the prophetic vision of the Golden Path, but selfishly decides to pass the burden to his son Leto, because he cannot make the necessary sacrifice. Leto transformed himself into a non-human being and became the oppresive dictator the world needs for him to be, succeeding where his father failed.
Glad to see someone else mention these Pararrels. And for anyone who hasn't read the god emperor of dune stop and go do that right now it's easily my favorite book in the dune Series but I know everyone else might not have that opinion.
Anybody ever though that the bleeding comet could be Dawn, the sword of Arthur Dayne made from a comet that had a lot of blood on from ‘defending’ Jons birth at the tower of Joy?
@@gheorghemihnea8126 That isn't the point. It is symbolic. Prophecies usually are. Dawn was forged from a meteorite and it was bloody at the time of Jon's birth. Makes sense to me.
hopefully in the prequels we see more of the targaryen house. They are the most fascinating and powerful house in Westeros, shame we only saw viserys and daenerys in the show
@@marianne6440 house Martell isn't so powerful tbh. Daeron was boastful af in his 'Conquest of Dorne' so the rest of the kingdom thinks Dorne has strength but they really don't anymore.
Re: Lightbringer - Azor Ahai needed to forge a hero's sword, so he labored for thirty days and thirty nights at the sacred fires of a temple until it was done. However, when he went to temper it in water, the sword broke. [Rhaegar - died in the waters of the River Trident] He was not one to give up easily, so he started over. Azor Ahai took fifty days and fifty nights to make another sword better than the first. To temper it this time, he captured a lion and drove the sword into its heart, but once more the steel shattered. [Aegon - died when confronting Ser Gregor Clegane representing the lion of House Lannister] The third time, with a heavy heart, for he knew beforehand what he must do to finish the blade, Azor Ahai worked for a hundred days and nights until it was finished. This time, he called for his wife, Nissa Nissa, and asked her to bare her breast. He drove his sword into her living heart, her soul combining with the steel of the sword, creating Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes. Lightbringer was henceforth always warm to the touch. [Jon - died by being stabbed in the heart, and brought back to life by Melisandre, a Red Priestess of the Lord of Light] The three-headed dragon could be three generations of Targaryen's that had to be killed to fulfil the prophecy.
Finally a clear and straightforward video about this topic that I can show to some of my friends who only watch the show and were like "wait who is Jon's father and why should I care" after the last season. Great video, well done!
plot twist: Rhaegar was the prince that was promised but he screwed it all up starting a civil war and getting himself killed trying to fulfill the prophecy instead of letting it play out and being a good king when Westeros needed it the most.
Every time Elia is mentioned over whether she was on board with her husband's infidelity and prophecy chasing, I cringe. The problem I have with the theory that Elia was on board is that it would be antithetical to what she would have been taught as a Westerosi woman. Presumably raised in the Faith, she would have been taught that she was to be faithful to her husband and vice versa. But she could have turned a blind eye to her husband's infidelity as long as he kept it discrete. Rhegar fails in this regard. Not only does he take a mistress, everyone knows that he did, bringing dishonor on her. But more importantly, Lyanna as a mistress is a threat to Elia and her children's position as queen and heirs to the throne. This isn't about getting some loving on the side. This is a dynastic crisis. What would be Elia's recourse if Rhegar, in trying to please the wife he loves, tries to put aside Rhaenys and Aegon? There is precedent. Aegon IV did that to his son Daeron II. What if Lyanna schemed to put her children on the throne? Neither of them knew this girl and she could easily be a queen Alicent and you would have another dance. What if Lyanna's future children get it in their head that they should inherit the kingdom before Aegon? You might say that Jon Snow wouldn't dishonor himself like that. But remember that he was raised by Ned. Who knows how Lyanna might have raised him. Daemon Blackfyre was the same way until Bittersteel got to him and then came rebellion. Given all this information, I find it difficult to believe that Elia was on board with the plan
Sophia Wilson The problem is that annulment is not a divorce. A divorce is "hey we tried. Let's go our separate ways." An annulment is "you and I were never married. " of course, if the marriage is annulled, the possibility exists that their children would be considered born out of wedlock and therefore be considered bastards.
The biggest problem in D&D "logic" is that there must be really GOOD reason to annulment. She wasnt barren - they had children. She didnt commit any treason. They probably even didnt inform her about that annulment. And to do such thing I believe it must be permission from High Septon? Or different important persona. It is not that any men could give such annulment. It almost impossible to do such thing in secret. Everyone would contest such paper, so their idea and way to present it is unrealistic and stupid. But I get used to this.
So why did he instruct Arthur Dayne to kill anyone coming to the tower of Joy? If he thought he may die, he surely would have left instructions ala "in the event of my death..." and in that scenario the ONLY chance Jon had of surviving was Ned. If Dayne had won that fight, the next batch to come would certainly kill the baby whether it be Robert or Stanis or the Mountain. Playing tower defense in perpetuity against everyone - including the Starks - with only 3 knights (book version, 2 knights on TV) is not a plan - it's just a delayed death sentence for the baby/world savior. Dayne should have been thanking the Seven that it was Ned - the one person Rhaegar should have told him was OK - who found the Tower first (keeping in mind that house Stark and house Dayne were also on very good terms and he possibly knew that his own sister and Ned were, at minimum, very good friends) rather than going "Nope can't tell you where your sister is, let's fight."
Good point. The only thing I can think of, is Rhaegar telling Dayne "do not let anyone in" and Dayne being obedient & literal. Or maybe Rhaegar started showing signs of Targaryen Maddess and wasn't thinking logically?
"Hey, I'm married, and you're engaged but if we don't bang, the world will literally end - and did I mention I play the harp?" I'm not ashamed to say that I spat out my drink and couldn't stop laughing! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
10 years of books and GoT series. Thousand years of prophecies and history, all pointing John as the savior of the world. The one to end the endless night. The one to put evil down for good. And then Arya comes from another dimension and kill the Night King with a cheap hand swap trick.. c'mon...
Their focus group said they wanted Arya to be the hero because she’s “badass.” D&D thought it would be very subversive for Arya to save the world, rather than see Jon deal with the emotional fallout of having accomplished his great purpose, only to discover that he may need to accept his kingship to continue to guard the realms of men. They didn’t want to think of an interesting motivation or means to destroy the NK, WW, and army of the dead, either. Time for Star Wars!
I mean Jon did save the realm because he was the one that brought everyone together to fight the white walkers. It doesn't matter who killed the Night King. Who was the leader in the battle against Jon Snow ? It was Jon snow. So Jon Snow is still Azor Ahai.
@@dmat606 Yeah, but even that is meaningless when you think about it because they managed to beat the Night King while half of their army survived - probably off-screen ... without the help of Cercei. And they also managed to beat here easily with those few, so why havn't they attacked her before? So that WHOLE adventure behind the wall where they tired to catch some undead to convince Cercei of sending troops was for absolutely nothing. Think about it. If they decided to fuck Cercei, Danny wouln't have lost a Dragon to the Night King and maybe the Wall would be still around. GoT has become a shit show thanks to Dumb & Dumber.
"Well we knew it was Jons story for a long time now. Jon was meant to be the hero. He's always been the hero. Everything leading up to this point is for Jon to save the day. So that just didn't seem right to us" -dumb&dumber After the episode 2019
A sword tempered in water, a sword tempered in a lion and a sword tempered in a loved one. Jons gonna kill Euron (water), Cersei (the Lion) and finally daenerys (the loved one). Then he defeats the white walkers, and ends up sitting alone and sad, glooming on the Iron Throne (or rejecting it).
When it comes to Rhaegar and Lyanna the arguments are either "Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna" or "They met at Harrenhal and fell in love but she didn't want to marry Robert so she ran away with Rhaegar instead" but a point I have only come across a few times was; A young betrothed maiden meets the Prince of the Realm while trying to hide the evidence of something which she knew could get her into serious trouble especially considering his father, although he keeps his promise and her identity safe she can't know whether his word is absolute so whenever he comes calling in secret she answers and they do get to know one another and she divulges her problems and Rhaegar absolutely falls in love with her and Lyanna may as well but she doesn't know what refusing his advances would mean so things keep escalating and it all comes to a head when he says "Come with me" with the the best intentions and plans but what is she supposed to say or do but comply, then word gets to Brandon that she was taken and the rest is history. The point to my rambling was that she went with him willingly but how much free will did she have in making that decision. Until we get an actualy canon timeline and version of events this will always be in the back of my mind but hey I have enough patience to wait on Berserk I can wait for more ASOIAF right? RIGHT???
RAgirl I would give all of my belongings to see a young King Robert beat the hell out of dudes. But a part of me doesn’t want to see it, it’s like seeing the secret to a magic trick.
The forbidden love which destroys a Kingdom or doomed love is a common trope from Medieval Literature. Think Lancelot and Guinivere, Arthur and Morgana, Tristan and Isolde, Romeo and Juliet even Paris and Helen of Troy. Its probably as old as storytelling itself.
The more I watch videos like this the more I realise what the final season was going for and how much they fucked up trying to deliver it. It’s like S8 was a speed run of the whole series I swear.
I think so much of the brilliance of the Revellion’s story is taken away if it was all Rhaegar’s plan. I think instead he demonstrates how even the most “promising” prince can ruin themselves by falling for prophecy and self obsession. And if he knew what would happen, it’s hard to root for a guy who literally abandoned his wife and kids to die, which doesn’t make sense considering his belief that “the dragon has three heads”.
I see Helen of Troy and Romeo and Juliet both. I don't think the Starks and the Targaryens hated each other like Romeo and Juliet's families respective families did, but they were certainly not on the best terms in the entire world. And yeah, there was a war being fought basically BECAUSE of their eloping. The relationship was basically forbidden, but they decided to go for it anyway. That's Romeo and Juliet, basically, to a tee. Meanwhile, Helen of Troy -- that actually fits maybe slightly better. Someone runs off with a woman for love and then the countries they come from descend into warfare.
@@voteZDLR GRRM is deconstructing fantasy trope, is that true over comes all, but in reality it definitely does not over comes all, it ends up backfires and ruins your life.
This is a plausible theory but I still think Rhaegar made awful, impulsive decisions that unnecessarily worsened the situation. If he'd just carried on with the political strategising he would've taken the throne and then would've been able to take a more active role in the fight against the white walkers. It would've averted the biggest problem the characters have been facing in the series, that people are too busy fighting amongst themselves to pay attention to the real threat.
If he hadn't eloped with lyanna on the day that he did, their son wouldn''t have been born under a comet and wouldn't have fit the prophecy. The theory here, whether right or wrong, is that it was predestined and that he knew specifically what he had to do.
I still can't get over the fact that the show hired the most common looking guy to play fuckin RHAEGAR, the legend, the prince, the LAST DRAGON. Horrible casting there
I was expecting this long white haired, muscular and gorgeous looking man like model Leif Stacey in this picture www.bellazon.com/main/uploads/monthly_05_2011/post-34874-1305221066_thumb.jpg The producers and their casting director must be blind af.
Cuz the show writers dumped everything was build from the beginning , just for the sake of " jOnE SNow iS THe typical hero anD we wAnT tO mAkE an unexpected scenario "
@The Program D&D didn't GET 8 episodes. They INSISTED ON 8 episodes ONLY, wouldn't turn it over to other writers nor do more episodes. They were ready to be done, period.
To me, he cheated on his wife that led to her death and the death of their two young children, started a civil war, marked the end his family dynasty and was responsible for the suffering of dire his younger siblings as a castaway royal on the run. He died as a crown prince, lucky him.
@fairytop1 Only characters that do not know the details ( basically, everyone ) say he was disloyal to his wife. Facts are facts. He did not cheat on his wife.
Getting back into ASOIAF reluctantly with HOTD imminent, and Rhaegar and Lyanna's story was one of the things that fascinated me the most when I was really into the series a few years ago before GOT's ending soured it for me. I thought I had heard everything about this theory but you shed new light on certain angles like the water, lion, wife angle and highlighting Jon's oath that means he himself could be Lightbringer and not just its wielder. I also appreciate you relayed different perspectives about Rhaegar as he's a very polarising figure and a lot of people (like in the series) portray him as either a hero or a villain, even when they know GRRM prefers grey characters. I also loved the clear, concise way you relayed everything. Finally, thanks for noting the potential of the ladies involved and wanting to know more about them, rather than them just being silent wombs and victims. I too want to know more about them. I also wonder if the Maesters Conspiracy theory is real and whether Rhaegar and Lyanna attempted to explain their actions but were foiled by the maesters who saw a chance to finally bring down the Targs. Great job.
What a brilliant mind George has. This world he created with all its history and characters is incredible.
Who the fuck is dan brown crap ? Grrm all the way.
Eiichiro Oda has a better mind
Its even better than the bible shit.
In fact it’s just a big soap opera:-)
LONEWOLF truuuu
why do i care about this more than real history
Because you need to leave the house
TickleMeShlomo i guarantee i make more money than u
@@juffurey You mean there is a world outside of my computer? Huh, who knew?
Because the TV show does all but care about the history and the character development. They forgot that it was the main reason why the show was successful
it's obvious because you're an ignorant
"The things I do for love" could've just as easily been uttered by Rhaegar just before destroying the entirety of Westeros through the consequences of his actions. As Maester Aemon said, "Love is the death of duty".
You probably watched the long night battle at winterfell. Arya stark the survivor of westeros. Many of us and i absolutely believe it would be Jon who would slain the Night King but instead it was Arya, Ned's girl.
@@Brandonhayhew, no offense intended, but what does that have to do with my comment haha?
PS - Arya killing the Night King was probably the worst written part of the entire series.
@@SSPspaz Your comment is about Rhaegar's actions that caused the downfall of his family's dynasty. Everyone of us images that his son would kill trh night King but instead it was arya. It may be the show but it was unexpected. The book better give us a different way on how the night King is defeated
@@Brandonhayhew, on that we agree entirely! The show's producers admitted that they had Arya kill the NK only because it would be unexpected. In other words, they just wanted a shocking resolution. Good writing doesn't subvert expectations just for the sake of subverting expectations. When GRRM killed the Starks at the Red Wedding, or when he had Ned beheaded, there was a narrative purpose. I can't say the same for having Arya kill the NK. And it also ruins any real resolution of the prophecies about Azor Ahai, the Prince Who Was Promised, etc.
At this point, I can't wait for the final two books from GRRM so I can hear the REAL end of the story. Not this bullshit HBO has been pushing over the last couple seasons.
SSPspaz About love being the death of duty. Could you flip that and argue that Jon Snow’s duty (joining the watch and fighting against the armies of the dead etc) was inspired by love? Because he doesn’t want everybody in he loves and holds dear in the North to die?
So maybe love isn’t the death duty but the very inspiration behind it?
There's another little piece of evidence toward Jon Snow being Azor Ahai that wasn't mentioned in the video. Part of the prophecy says that Azor Ahai will be born beneath a bleeding star. Ser Arthur Dayne died while protecting Lyanna Stark during Jon Snow's birth. The sigil of house Dayne is a sword and a shooting star, and Ser Arthur Dayne was known as the Sword of the Morning. Ser Arthur Dayne was a star that bled on the day of Jon Snow's birth.
That's a giga brain observation
@@GibGibson Hella ripples no bullshit
In books it's not confirmed that he died there
Damnnnnn🥵🥵🥵🥵
Leave some knowledge for us chief
Bro this is way too complicated for D&D
Dumb & Dumber
Star wars right fuckers jk
What does D&D mean?
@@glesoniadennis6253 It's stands for Dan and Dave. The first names of the two writers of Game of Thrones. The same writers who gave us the shitty season 8 we got.
@@Spartan265 thank you so much
I alsi thought season 8 could've been better
Rhaegar is probably one of the most interesting characters in the entire show that we only see through a vision for a few seconds. I'd really like to see the story of Roberts rebellion and the events leading up to it play out in a prequel series
I bet it’ll be made into some kind of prequel in like 20-30 years
@@CJLOVE23 try 5
@@CJLOVE23 try 2 months
@@nathancraft1561 it isn’t the story of Rhagar out in a few months. It’s set 200 years before the mad king
@@LyricalAgentVideoUK try 300
And after all this it's just arya who ninja-dagger-one-shots the whole white walker army
Jon played a huge role in stopping the White Walkers. He informed everyone of the danger that was coming. He saved the wildlings at Hardhome. He went to Daenerys to get the dragonglass. He had the dragonglass mined. He killed Daenerys preventing her from unleashing her warped vision on the world.
@@shakiradaley6936 he didn't inform everyone. The maesters in old town were not told or shown and probable will think the whole thing was a bunch of Northmen superstition. Many others were also not told, and they won't believe. The people he did tell were the Northmen who were gonna fight anyways, Cersei who didn't really care, and Danny whom he screwed by making her go North to save his life only to lose a dragon and then he would betray her and say he had no choice but to bend the knee when she had sworn to fight for the North without his loyalty. Said dragon she lost was also the reason why the WW came across anyways so this didn't help the living whatsoever. The dragonglass was also useless as arrows with a bit of fire were far more helpful and most kept their original blades as dragonglass is very brittle and only useful against white walkers who didn't do much in the long night. I'll give you killing Danny, but if him and his sister and Tyrion didn't keep betraying and antagonizing she wouldn't have lost so much and snapped like she did (which still doesn't make sense as Danny always tried to help the weak and wouldn't have killed them after she had won just so she can be a mad queen).
Arya wouldn't be there if Jon was still dead, because the battle of the bastards lead into the recapture of Winterfell, which led Arya Back and that Brotherhood guy was also sent back half a dozen times to protects her just once
Thats why I love Arya. Not afraid to carve out her OWN destiny.
We all can agree that d&d fucked up the series after season 4 or 5, until it was still good but 7& 8 are just disasters, I want a fucking reboot after the books are released.
"Arya stark killed the night king"
Rhaegar: "I've tried so hard and got so far but in the end it doesn't even matter" 😂
Shaqme on you to have believed in the tale of the holy ham.
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Jon led everyone
IT was a msg From D&D saying Fuck You to all the people who made theories
But it was Jon who killed Daenarys when she went off her Prozac. She would’ve been a far more evil tyrant than the Night King. Plus Jon had The Night Kings attention his full attention after watching him Fight and kill a White Walker General at Hardhomme. And Baited albeit Unbenownced to either one of them. Baited the Night King into Arya’s Trap and consequent Assassination. And Jon who encouraged Arya’s Warrior Spirit and Led all them Mfkrs the entire show. Jon Snow 1000% is Azhor Ahai. My only real Beef with the ending was that Jon Snow should’ve Challenged Grey Worm to a Trial By Combat for his freedom to go and do whatever the hell he wanted. That’s the fight we all wanted to see. And Tormund should’ve Saved Brianne at some Point fighting the White Walkers and they should’ve ended up together
"His actions led to Jon, who may be the hero who saves the world."
Turns out he's pretty inconsequential and just repeats stuff like "Yur my queen" and "I dunt want it"
Commander_Ninja yes. And actually Arya is the one who saved the world.
@@hindimusiclove316 still mad about thst
And screams at a dragon while someone else kills the Night King
He saved the world from the mad queen
@@TheWeepingDalek she wouldn't be the mad queen in the first place had rheagar not caused the of end the targareans
"The Mountain is Podrick riding on Hot Pie's shoulders." Now THAT's a theory.
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LMAOOOOOOOOOO I spit laughed at that one xD
light bringer swords actually on heart of dany.azar haul is jon snow.of course he is song of ice and fire.and that sword is now lost forever.because dragon took danys body and fly away.may that’s why bran the broken try to locate dragon.
I really want this to be true 😂
My Dr. Brew came out my nose when I read this!!! oh lol... Sounds reasonable...
Wish i could see Catelyns face, when she realizes that Jon is not the bastard, but true heir to the iron throne.
That would have been a sight to see! I hated how she treated Jon
So true she did not treat him good.
Me too
How is he a true heir?
Rhaegar was already married - so Jon is still a bastard who was not legitimately made an heir
A Blackfyre
@@mysticdragonwolf89 Rhaegar married with Lyanna Stark
"he plunged his sword into her conceiving Jon" absolute poetry
I fucking cackled at that part
That and "prophecy babies"
Legend ! 😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Penetrated the sword did. ~ Master Yoda the baked.
D&D really shat on the Prophecy of Azor Ahai and the Long night this season
Saving the world from darkness may very well be to kill Daenerys before she burns the world and not to actually kill the night king. In GoT things are never what they seem...
i'm still mad about this lol
@@AndersRapp Yeah, but then why those 7 seasons of buld up? I doubt that this was their plan. I think, D&D at some point run out of source material and the notes from Martin. They had a rough idea where it all would end, but no clue how to get there and because they got offered also a deal by Disney to get to writte something for Star Wars, they decided to rush things. Since season 5, things have really changed and the quality of the show has declined with Season 8 being the worst. I bet Dany ends up on the throne and John or Arya or something like that kills her, while everyone asks John to become King, but he refuses and they still make him King anyway cuz they love him and he rules over Westeros. Who knows.
@@AndersRapp good call
Dark Dagger They really shat on it. It’s like they took all the prophecies and character arcs, flipped them upside down and made worst possible versions of beloved characters imaginable.
Ned: Rhaegar may be your father, but he ain't your daddy.
deadmanslastwish 🤦♀️
RIP Ned and Yondu
"I'm Mary Poppins, y'all!!!"
rip yondu
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Eddard Stark was the true hero; no one sacrificed as much as he did.
allrequiredfields family first
I totally agree.
Am now more confuse.....
What the so called 'azor ahai' has done till now.
1. Acted foolishly resulting in the death of a dragon.
2. Didn't listen to sansa and took all the credit for winning against Ramsey including crowning himself as king of winterfell.
3. Didn't listen to yigritte(yegritte?) and led her to her death. Didn't act as a good leader resulting in his own death.
And we are supposed to root for him, when the whole point of the series is you make a wrong move, you die... when he was passing his time on the wall daenerys was making an army, freeing slaves, raising dragons. Arya trained to avenge her father. Sansa struggled to escape psychopaths. And you know what he says when he comes back catlyn stark didn't give him special treatment and made him eat alone. Damn he is such a cry baby. He can't be king please
@@pushkarsaraf9501 I think he's a good man, many in his shoes wouldn't have become as great as he is now. Imagine all your life being called a bastard by the low and the high when you're actually the rightful king of the seven kingdoms, being mistreated by your fake father's wife, being lied to all your life so you try to redeem yourself by going to the night's watch and people actually choose you as their leader and decision maker just to stab you in the back when you do whats right (saving the wildlings), yet he still strives for the betterment of all people not just his. I agree he might've made impulsive decisions before but they are overwhelmed by his great deeds and kind person in my opinion.
I find Rhaegar Targaryen utterly fascinating.
On one hand we have this archetype of the Hero, the Prince, the Philosopher King of Plato almost.
On the other, the wretched man who kidnapped a gullible teenager and sunk the Realm in chaos for what?
Rhaegar is a man haunted by the ghosts of Dragon Dreams and obtuse prophecies; whose melancholy stops him from becoming the man the realm needs; with no political influence or understanding of who he is and where he is. In another story, he would’ve won the war and taken Lyanna to be his second wife if not his main wife. In another story he would’ve saved the world. But he’s just remembered as a shadowy figure, better than the King and as wretched as him.
And the funny thing is, we will never know what went through his head when he decided that The Dragon has Three Heads.
Gods, I hate you Rhaegar.
He did take lyanna as a second wife. That's covered in the series.
WE LOVE RHAEGAR BECAUSE HE MADE JON SNOW
He didn't kidnap her, she actually loved him and wanted to be with him
@@abobanger9054 bruh she was 15-year-old teen and he was an adult man, it's not real love, i mean not unless you're kind of a person who believes that dany and drogo were in love
@@morganamybeloved no coloration there
It appears all that was needed was a young girl with a dagger who was able to teleport.
M_Dutch97 truth
lol
She didn't teleport apparently. She just jumped off a pile of dead white walkers. Makes sense..
@@natestrasburg still doesn't make sense
@@natestrasburg there wa no pile of dead white walkers around bran. Theon ran straight to the night king with no pile in sight or nearby. Also not that many wights died near bran.
Sad that none of this really meant anything in the end :(
That’s only in the shit show, the books will end perfectly...if they ever end
You’re an idiot. Congrats.
Steven T tf why?
Ayesha Niazi It might in the books.
fuck the show
Rhaegar at some point during the Roberts Rebellion probably
Rhaegar: Also from now on, we’ll be using codenames
Rhaegar: You can address Aegon as Aegon One
Rhaegar: Elia, codename: Been There Done That
Rhaegar: Lyanna is: Currently Doing That
Rhaegar: Cersei is: It Happened Once In A Dream
Rhaegar: And Jon is...
Rhaegar: ...Aegon Two
Jon Connington = If I Had to Pick a Guy
Eh ive heard of people being named after dead siblings.
Elia is Been there Dorne that. Ha
Disappointed that Elia’s nickname isn’t “Been there, dorne that.”
Robert Baratheon: Oh thank god
I've always called Jon the Song of Ice and Fire. Love-making or conception has always been referred to as "making music" and I'd like to think that the romanticism is a metaphor for Rhaegar and Lyanna's love. Jon is their song. A token of their love. The Song of Ice and Fire.
Also, thinking outside the box here. If Rhaegar sacrificed the thousands of people who died in Robert's Rebellion for the millions of lives that would be lost to the Whitewalkers, is that not justified within itself? Granted some selfish intentions may have been layered in, but if the entire House of the Dragon believes that one of their blood is the only thing from stopping the end of the world, is it not his duty (or at least in his head) to make sure that the line continues?
On point
hmm
It's been stated The Song Of Ice And Fire is the upcoming battle between the others and dany
It is known. 😅
It’s crazy to think that George rr Martin knows all the answers to this
Jon Snow LOL
Unlike you, whom knows nothing
You know nothing, Jon Snow
I doubt it
GRRMartin his deconstructing Fantasy tropes, and he just likes to create these mystery just to fuck with us.
imagine Melisandre asking R'hllor a sight of Azor Ahai, and he shows her Jon
"what kind of Stannis is this?"
"Wow Stannis looked really different when he was a teen lol."
Isn't that cannon?
She does ask R'hllor to show her Azor Ahai in the books..all she sees in the Fires is Snow. Shes pretty confused as to why she keeps seeing Snow when asking about Azor Ahai.
@@MR.Z1991 yeah but the book does not write it as “snow” but as “Snow” with a capital S so I would say she’s seeing Jon
See 10:44
I mean... Mel is not exactly smart. At all.
So sad that Jon development was cut off in season 8
I just finished the serious I was so disappointed in the ending of season 8
While I think the last theory is correct, I am certain Rhaegar didn’t know it. He never thought he was going to die at the Trident as he planned to make changes on his return. Rhaegar likely had prophetic dreams but those are always misinterpreted and cause the person to take actions that cause the prophecy to come true, but not in the way they intended.
To add something to this theory, the part about "putting the sword through his beloved wife" could also be interpreted as : by choosing Lyana, Rhaegar betrayed Elia, putting a sword through her heart metaphorically (and then indirectly when she was killed due to his actions)
I still prefer the metaphor of him putting his sword through lyana; simply because that part in the vid almost murdered me 😂
@@oyblech8671 cringe
"Every sword needs a sheath and every wedding needs a bedding"
In a way, it is very in line with people’s observations/theories about gods/fate having a grim sense of humor/irony.
What better way to cap off a story about a savior of the entire world than with a divine dick joke?
@@DarthDookieMan I truly hope that this book series that has so much symbolism and important themes that reflects the real world while exploring the nuances and complexities of the human heart doesn’t end up being about a dick joke. In my personal opinion it is more interesting if Rhaegal is a tragically ironic character. That would make his character incredibly nuanced imo
All this meant nothing in the end...
have faith in GRRM
Spinoffs are our only hope. Hopefully..
Or the books lol
What're you talking about
we still have at least 2 more books coming out
Yeah i hate the ending
Dude called both his sons Aegon
He didn't
@@LinkinParkFuckYeah err yeah he did dude
Don't be a plebeian read the books.
No, he actually didn't. He was dead by the time Lyanna gave birth to Jon, Lyanna is the one who named him. Based on the name scheme of his kids, I believe Rhaegar was expecting a girl, which he could name Visenya, based on the names of the first Targaeryens conquerors (Aegon and his sisters Rhaenys & Visenya)
@@nicepolice12 err Lyanna named the kid, duuude
I don’t see how can anyone possibly see Rheager as a hero. Even if John become an important character in saving the GOT universe in the book, it would basically be a unintended good consequences of a terrible action. Whether Rheager loved Lyanna or not he knew in medieval even eloping with a maiden without the permission of the father/brother was an offense of kidnapping and dishonorable. Brandon’s reaction to his sister’s disappearance was very realistic for that time period. Mad king killing the starks was just final nail in the coffin, Rheager have already dishonored three family (Starks, Martells and Baratheon) there was no way his actions was not going to create chaos.
Why does no one else get this??
@@babyray5643 Because he threw caution to the wind to fulfill a prophecy.
The prophecy was the hero who would save the world. If Rhaegar believed his actions would fulfil it he thought he was sacrificing the few to save the many.
It was intended he talks about how a Dragons needs three heads when he has 2 children so he's planning it out.
well your comment is basically why he made this video so maybe just watch the whole thing😂😆
This. He was a nutjob who believed in prophecy left his sick wife who had 2 kids behind with a teenager
"Did I mention I play the harp?" LOL
MissMeistil is he referencing he is better than the other GOT youtuber "the last harpy"?
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Yes! LMAO!
@@yiwanye1221 Of course he is! LOL
Good one!
*swoons*
To clarify the conclusion - Rhaegar probably wasn't riding to the Trident expecting to die there - he tells Jaime that he plans to call a council after the battle. But it's still plausible that Rhaegar had some general suspicion that his death, and the deaths of his family, might be part of his prophetic destiny - and that this foreknowledge contributed to his melancholy and sense of doom.
Or maybe he had no idea and was only in it for his bae Lyanna - "Rubies flew like drops of blood from the chest of a dying prince, and he sank to his knees in the water and with his last breath murmured a woman’s name"
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Alt Shift X commented 4 days ago? Wtf?
How did u comment ur future video?
Alt Shift X What if the tourney at Harrenhal wasn't just to bring the Lords together to meet to rid them of Aerys. What if Elia knew Everything. She is Dornish, ill, and probably dying. I can truly see her especially as a princess and a mother helping Rhaegar and Lyanna to secure the future for her own children as well. She may have loved him even too. This all could have been to set in a new era. The crown of blue roses is why I can't let it go. That would take some time and planning to have on hand for the tourney. They are Soo rare. What if Rhaegar was there to prove himself. He did by winning. Then show his intentions of the future and his future Queen as well. Maybe this wasn't their first time meeting. Maybe this was a coming out party so to speak. Aerys just was a party crasher so it went a little bit off.
patreons gain access to the video early, I think.
A woman's name you say? Not specifically Lyanna's name? Would there at all be another woman's name he would murmur? Not Elia of course, ha! But perhaps someone else important to him, a woman who might be Azor Ahai? Perhaps...a new born sister? ;) Well dats jus a thoery, A GAYME...OF THRONS THEERY!
As Jaime Lannister says “you don’t choose who you love”
"But You do choose to keep your penis in your pants "
dan 45 Jaime truly loves Cersei and Rheagar truly loves Lyanna
@@oaky9834 true, but they are both incredibly disturbing relationship considering Lyanna was a teen and, well, the incest
Simona mon true but in this series even strange loving relationships are a rarity
@@oaky9834 I believe Jaime really loved Cersei, that's for sure, and she loved him in her own way. But Rhaegar loving Lyanna? Knowing his obsession, I'm pretty sure he was just following the prophecy.
I really want a spin-off where they show the life of Rhaegar
Well… you almost got your wish. Close but not quite.
11:50 Now I'm picturing Chris Hanson busting Rhaegar, "So tell me what you mean by 'Tower of Joy?'
‘Why don’t you sit down Rhaegar’
The thing that confuses me most in this is Lyanna. If she found out that her (and to a much greater extent Rhaegar's) actions led to her father and brother being grotesquely killed by the Mad King, why would she in any way still stay with him? Not only that, but her own brother Ned was now fighting a war against Aerys II, and was in danger everyday of being killed on the battlefield. Either she never found out (Rhaegar purposefully never told her, despite finding out from Gerold Hightower who was there when Rickard and Brandon were killed, which is rape by deception) or she found out but still was kept at the Tower of Joy, perhaps against her will. From the characterization of Lyanna (headstrong, willfull, dedicated tomboy, etc), it would seem that she would've at least attempted an escape, but was prevented by the Kingsguard. Whatever happened, this does not make Rhaegar look good at all. In my opinion, Rhaegar is most definitely not the true hero of Game of Thrones, Ned is, because after all of Rhaegar's bad decisions, Ned made the choice to save an innocent child, raised him right, and set him on the course to be a good person in a world that too often eats them up.
She was pregnant and surrounded by several members of the Kingsguard. She was likely upset, but didn't have many options to do anything about it.
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She was a very pregnant 15 year old who loves rhaegar. Why would she abandon him and his plan because of something his crazy dad did? And even if she wanted to, how could she physically do anything?
I agree.
Well the whole episode of Ned declaring Jamie the king slayer without knowing why he slayed the king, and later in the series where Ned's actions led to his own death because he wasnt fully aware of the circumstances, it shows that in his attempt to be the most honourable man in westeroes all he managed to become was a confused idiot. Never even told his kids that he didn't beat Arthur dayne in a fair battle!
"Rhaegar was melancholic, had a sense of doom, and was born in grief." - sounds like Jon Snow/Aegon Targaryen to me. love your theory btw
"You look a lot better brooding than I do. You make me feel like I'm failing at brooding over failing."
I just died laughing at 11:58
"if we don't bang, the world will literally end"
and did I mention I play the harp 😏
@@AYVYN Also I am the crown prince
Ok after this I see why everyone was mad that Arya killed the night king. Now I’m thinking why would they wanna waste this all for nothing for “shock value”
Because they couldn't care less about the show
All they wanted was to wrap up with a lazy story just to move on to their next project
@@coolflames6649 but why, WHY did HBO allow it? I'm sure they had the authority to get rid of those idiots and hire Miguel Sapochnik and more competent people! I will never understand....
There's a reason why they called him dumb and dumber
@@luciamota1249 HBO probably wanted the same thing. They know how hyped the people are for season 8 and they just wanna cashed in before the shows over with little budget
Yeah right. Rhaegar left his original wife and two kids, marry another girl to conceive his third child that meant absolutely nothing in the end. JON AND HIS SIBLINGS (RHAENYS AND AEGON) DESERVED BETTER!! DAMN IT HBO! WHY DO YOU HAVE TO EXILE JON TO THE WALL??
Still so disappointed grrr.
If jon had been Ned's son then the storyline would still be the same.
@@Brandonhayhew the whole thing was Dany being pissed about it
Did you just type grrr 😂
The Program then that won’t make any difference because in the book there is the horn of winter, the show abandoned that subplot
Jon going to the north makes sense, I don't think he was really interested in ruling. He does not have the heart of a king.
But he should at least have killed the Night King.
"Love is the death of duty."
Jon: Chooses duty over love, killing Daenerys. Survives the series and saves the kingdoms from a mad queen.
Robb: Chooses love over duty, marrying another when he is promised to Roslin Frey. Dies, gets most of his men killed and his whole cause set back.
Jon chose his duty to the Watch over his love for Ygritte. He always chooses duty.
It’s not about the nights watch to Jon, it’s about always protecting the realms of men
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Dany wasn’t mad
@@aellahnjung umm... yes she was
A lot of people had to die for Jon's birth. Could they be considered a blood sacrifice?
I also think that Rhaegar was mad. He just had to wait for his father to die (or overthrow him) and then reign peacefully. Instead he acts rash and throws it all away for a "prophecy". Kind of how King Baelor walks across Westoros to jump into a pit of vipers, thinking the gods will protect him. Mad, I say.
All of this went to trash cause Arya stark killed the night king.
preetika ray Honestly season of build up that were spent escalating tensions between Jon and the Night King and building Jon up as Azor Ahai were absolutely dashed.
preetika ray The first sword broke when Jon failed to temper his blade in water (ice) of the Night King. The second sword broke when he failed to temper his blade in the heart of a lion - Cersei. He finally tempered his sword in his true love forged with the death of his beloved - Daenaerys. He brings light not by beating the walkers but by ridding the world of a new reign of terror under Targaryen rule.
You’re complaining about the show. This will not happen in the books. Stop being dull.
@@stevenL4U I did recall hearing that George himself wanted Arya to kill the Night King, because he's a feminist (no offense to him).
Anonymous I guess we will find out if the books ever get completed. As of right now, I don’t see her doing that. For one main reason; there is a no Night King in the books.
"if we don't bang the world would truly end"
worst(best?) pickup line ever
Why would they bang the world?
Lolja Boi r/wooooooooooooooosh
@@L1b3rta you killed it there man!
That sounded so Barney 😂😂
All we need is a 10 season prequel which show case the events which took place before Game of thrones
Abdel Al -wahab I think they’re actually making spin offs
I feel like they saw your comment and ran with it
I just remembered this line in the fanfic I read that if Rhaegar wanted a Visenya he should've find a woman with a lot of sisters and not a lot of brothers. I just find it funny 😭
And inaccurate. The gender of a baby is determined by whether the specific sperm that made it carried an X or Y chromosome.
Robert didnt start a war to win her back. Brandon Stark went to confront King Aerys and demanded to have Lyanna "back" from Rhaegar. Aerys then imprisoned him and his companions (all lordlings from the north) and sent for their fathers. When they came they we're all executed. Then Aerys ordered Jon Arryn to give him Eddard Stark. Eddard then fled the vale and he, Jon Arryn (Who saw Eddard as a son), Hoster Tully and Robert Baratheon all called their banners to bring down Aerys. So the war didnt happen just because Robert wanted Lyanna, but because Aerys was an imbeccile and the lords of Westeros were tired of him.
The question is why Aerys had them killed. He didnt know they got married. So wouldnt the king be pissed his son kidnapped a noble?
@@tooslow4065 It's been told repeatedly and mentioned in this video two. Mad King Aerys II was crazy, violent and paranoid. Of course he would burn any that would challenge him.
@@tooslow4065 He's a Targ, they have a tendency of doing dumb shit for no apparent reason.
@@tooslow4065 he was mad.. not that hard to grasp. Like a geoffrey on steroids.
Not to mention that he, the mad king, killed all those Lords and their sons
DID HE SAY HE PLUNGED HIS SWORD INTO HER CONCEIVING JON AHHSHAHHA
emily shut up emily
Yeah shut up Emily
Shut up Emily
Yeah tell me more Emily
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Masterful work once again, Alt Shift. Really appreciate the time and effort you put forth to make these. Give everyone at ASX the day off after this one!
Thanks Stevie!
What Thee Stevie Franchise said. Thank you for all your efforts. Really enjoy the results.
People painting this is a love story irritate me lol. I doubt romance was the main factor of Rhaegar's or Lyanna's actions. Lyanna wanted to escape a betrothal to a loathsome man and Rhaegar took advantage of that cause he wanted his prophecy baby. They're victims of their own actions and Elia, her children and the realm were all collateral damage.
You make the best breakdowns. Theres so many TH-camrs riding on the coattails of show's popularity. Churning out misinformation and nonsense for the sake of views. I just watched a video of a guy that thought needle is Valyrian steel, the Hound is still on Arya's list, and mistook the Flayed Man sigil for the Night's King.
In short: we can tell you are a true fan and thank you.
In the book, Needle is valyrian steel
@Punkfuk I'll check the book. I remembered Jon buying it flat out and thought it was valyrian steel, hence the naming of the sword, because only valyrian swords are named. It's been many years since I read the books, I could be mistaken.
Dustin Ryan I’m pretty sure it was made in the castle. Also I don’t think Jon had the money or resources to outright buy a Valyrian steel sword they had just laying around in the North.
Nolan got owned lol
@@fayereaganlover no he didn't, it's just castled forged steel, not valyrian. Why the fuck would Jon give a little girl such a priceless weapon
I am still pissed at the show for that stupid line: "Roberts Rebellion was built on a lie". Yeah sure, Brandon and Rickard Stark were apparently never brutally murdered and Aerys never demanded Neds and Roberts death which caused Jon Arryn to call his banners. Fucking genius writing.
Echo2602
As someone who isn't a reader of the books, I found that whole speech to be stupid. Instead of telling the audience through visuals and metaphors, they beat the info dumps over their heads like their stupid.
to be fair all of that is caused by rheagar anyway but good point
Echo2602 Brandon and Rickard were murdered because they thought that Lyanna was kidnapped by Rhaegar.
But she wasn't. The rebellion WAS built on a lie.
Insert-a-Name brandon went first to Kings Landing and demanded to see rhaegear to explain his actions. It was Aerys who imprisoned him becuase he thought he was a traitor. If rheager had come out and talked to brandon and released him saying lyanna loves me, which I doubt actually happened, than no one dies. Hence no war. So therefore, the war wasn't built on a lie and brandon and Rickard would still have brutally murdered. If only rhaegear wasn't such a dickhead...
Insert-a-Name Rhaegar, the crown prince, fled with a Lord Paramount's betrothed. He should have known better. His insolence and stupidity caused the downfall of his house. The fool got what he deserved.
Crazy to think that years ago I named my cat Rhaegar cause of this show.
I fucking care
I care dope name I hope your cat is doing well lol. I want to legit name my future son Ares if I have any, have a good day.
My female cat name is cersie and her brother name is jaime. I am gonna breed them so its perfectly makes sense.
@iM HaZY Seems like plenty of people care. You must be lonely and sad. I'm sorry for whatever it is you're going through.
Rawrgar
Jon even literally said as much in his oath, "I am the sword in the darkness."
And "the Light that Brings the Dawn".
We all know it but don't wanna spoil it. Tormund is Azor Ahai
Lol
it's gotta be hotpie, i know alt is waiting to drop that bomb on us
He is kissed by fire so it's possible.
the giants breastmilk has made him the powerful azor ahai
No, it's the hound.
"We just fucked up the whole important brilliant stuff in the books related to azor ahai because it was unexpected" ...
It only makes sense that there has to be a new series that covers everything before this series. Money grab or not.
I heard there was going to be like 5 prequels, luckily with other writers than D&D lol
That would be great because for some of us that never read the book, it was hard to appreciate the backstory which required careful listening through show. I know that the actor (Jon Snow) was pitched the possibility for a spin-off of GOT but he said a big No to that feeling nearly 10 years of his life was enuf invested.
Robert's Rebellion would be awesome, even if only one 10-episode Season
@@extraterrestrialhorse9722 yesssss afcosss
they will never stop making spinoffs. HOTD has been every bit as good as GOT's heyday in my opinion, which will only embolden hbo to greenlight more series.. let's see how they do with the hedge knight. in a perfect world they'll even adapt GRRM's writings of both Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring if we ever see them hit publication. (gods be good)
In interviews, George has talked about how he always wanted to write a story where the grand hero of the story dies or loses at the beginning, and the aftermath of it. Makes sense now...
That is Rheagar who was Ahozi Hai
azor ahai
He is actually talking about eddard, but keep telling yourself that rheagar is a stereotypical hero. Cause running away from your wife and children to fuck a 14 year old and start a war is the hero way. Pfftt.
He´s referring to Ned who was presented as the main character in the first book. We barely knew about Rhaegar back then.
Elia 😭😭😭😭 you deserved better
Holy crap, that water, lion and wife analogy is hard to argue.
Sounds kinda like "Ser Pounce is Azor Ahai" theory but unironically
For a character that never appears in the books, Rhaegar is honestly one of my favourite characters
Meh, he's a jerk
You mean never appear in the show?
I subscribed to the Visenya theory. It's really aligned with Dany's vision at the House of the Undying. It's clear that Rhaegar needed another person to complete the three heads and it's also very coincident that he named his two children Rhaenys and Aegon. Elia was frail but Rhaegar needed a Visenya. Visenya was known to be a fierce warrior and possessed a different beauty than Rhaenys who was more beautiful and lady-like. Lyanna was a lady warrior and had always defied traditional lady demeanor. I think that Rhaegar saw Visenya in her and at the Trident, I think Rhaegar murmured Visenya (instead of Lyanna or Elia). I think it's a great way for GRRM to teach fans about prophecy (it doesn't always turn out to be the way characters wanted). Instead of a girl, Lyanna gave birth to a boy. In the end, Jon ultimately will be the prince that was promised even though Rhaegar didn't plan for it that way. Dany, though, is the Azor Ahai, I believe the two prophecies are separate and represent two different characters (makes more sense because she has dragons and that's a much more believable Lightbringer).
EDIT: For the last theory to be true, it must have meant that when Rhaegar ran away with Lyanna (to complete the third set of the AA prophecy), he had already predicted his son (Aegon) to be killed by a Lannister/someone related to Lannister. Which is improbable because Lannisters weren't taking anyone's side not until near the end of Robert's Rebellion which was way after Lyanna's 'abduction' and even so, how could he have predicted that Lannisters were going to be ahead of Ned in raiding King's Landing and be the one murdering Elia's children. Also pretty cruel that Rhaegar had accepted that his toddler son is to be killed by a Lannister.
I agree with everything you say but the fact the Jon is NOT the baby in the tower. The truth is that Dany was born in the tower of joy then was switch with Jon at Starfall. Ashara Dayne took the baby to Dragon Stone were the baby that having Queen Rhallae's baby die. Dany is really Visenya. Rheagar is Azor Ahai Light bringer is Jamie. Not sure what Jon is but he might the second head of Dragon.
Or that she gave birth to triplets. Each one residing to the great houses he offended. Rhaegar goes to the Stark. Visenya goes to Martel. Rhaeys goes to Baratheon. Or idk. Maybe the 3 houses will be the 3 heads of the dragon. Cersei Baratheon, Jon Stark, Daenerys Targaryen (Martell bloodline).
wanderingbufoon you know that will never bring peace. Not with Cersei alive. She will never stop doing what she has done so far and that is put her selfish needs ahead of absolutely everything. Morals. Honour. etc.
@@azzopardi7588 i meant to drive away the night king
wanderingbufoon Yeah, cool I'm all for that. Cersei cannot be trusted though. Not even as far as Tyrion could throw the mountain. Night king is definitely a shared threat, but look what she says to Jamie after the "truce" she plans to march on the unprotected strongholds the moment their forces march north. I'm about to go reply to another video on how Cersei should die. Have a laugh and go read my hate filled foaming at the mouth response to that. lol
Anyway, is it not also possible that Baratheon's heir (now traveling with Jon and the Hound) could provide that head? Or even the weird theory that Rhaegar isn't really dead and lives on in jaqin h'gar (sorry for spelling)?
But yes, if she is the one to help stop the dead army then they need to use her but she needs to be taken prisoner the very instant she's no longer of use or we will rapidly be back to good people dying to promote her sick agenda. She wants that thing in her belly to continue the Lannister line and that cannot happen. Only maybe Tyrion should be left alive and the jury is still out on Jamie in my opinion.
„If we don‘t bang, the world will literally end, and did I mention I play the Harp?“ 😂😂😂
You can see in both theories how Goerge R. R. Martin's writings were inspired by Dune. If Rhaegar is the hero and knows the Song of Ice and Fire ahead of time, then he intentionally brings death to his family to create the Prince that was Promised, humanity's one chance of survival.
This parallels with Paul Arteides' son Leto II prophetically knowing the Golden Path, and sacrificing his humanity and intentionally being a brutal dictator to save humanity from extinction so that the Golden Path comes true.
Alternatively, if Jon is the hero, Jon Snow saved humankind by sacrificing love and his own humanity. Jon succeeded, making the necessary sacrifices where his father Rhaegar, could not. Much like in Dune, when Paul has the prophetic vision of the Golden Path, but selfishly decides to pass the burden to his son Leto, because he cannot make the necessary sacrifice. Leto transformed himself into a non-human being and became the oppresive dictator the world needs for him to be, succeeding where his father failed.
Glad to see someone else mention these Pararrels. And for anyone who hasn't read the god emperor of dune stop and go do that right now it's easily my favorite book in the dune Series but I know everyone else might not have that opinion.
Every time you said her name, I was hearing Oberyn's voice "ELIA MARTELL". God, It really stuck with me...
"YOU R**ED HER! YOU MURDERED HER! YOU KILLED HER CHILDREN!"
Anybody ever though that the bleeding comet could be Dawn, the sword of Arthur Dayne made from a comet that had a lot of blood on from ‘defending’ Jons birth at the tower of Joy?
Dawn was forged centuries before Jon's birth
@@gheorghemihnea8126 That isn't the point. It is symbolic. Prophecies usually are. Dawn was forged from a meteorite and it was bloody at the time of Jon's birth. Makes sense to me.
hopefully in the prequels we see more of the targaryen house. They are the most fascinating and powerful house in Westeros, shame we only saw viserys and daenerys in the show
House Martell IS the most fascinating and powerful house in Westeros
They killed a fucking dragon and his Targaryen colonialist rider with one arrow
I think it's house Reed and their hinted interbreeding with the Children of the Forest.
@@marianne6440 house Martell isn't so powerful tbh. Daeron was boastful af in his 'Conquest of Dorne' so the rest of the kingdom thinks Dorne has strength but they really don't anymore.
Dont forget Maester aemon also
Boom! 2 years later
By far one of the best channels on TH-cam that the whole game of thrones community looks forward to his videos
palemoonlight96 yes yes yes
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Have been recommending my GoT friends since the day I knew this channel.
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Re: Lightbringer -
Azor Ahai needed to forge a hero's sword, so he labored for thirty days and thirty nights at the sacred fires of a temple until it was done. However, when he went to temper it in water, the sword broke. [Rhaegar - died in the waters of the River Trident]
He was not one to give up easily, so he started over. Azor Ahai took fifty days and fifty nights to make another sword better than the first. To temper it this time, he captured a lion and drove the sword into its heart, but once more the steel shattered. [Aegon - died when confronting Ser Gregor Clegane representing the lion of House Lannister]
The third time, with a heavy heart, for he knew beforehand what he must do to finish the blade, Azor Ahai worked for a hundred days and nights until it was finished. This time, he called for his wife, Nissa Nissa, and asked her to bare her breast. He drove his sword into her living heart, her soul combining with the steel of the sword, creating Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes. Lightbringer was henceforth always warm to the touch. [Jon - died by being stabbed in the heart, and brought back to life by Melisandre, a Red Priestess of the Lord of Light]
The three-headed dragon could be three generations of Targaryen's that had to be killed to fulfil the prophecy.
Yes but Raeghar and his sons don't form three generations.
Danny: Is my campaign of conquest a joke to you?
Only a series like Game of Thrones kills its true protagonist before the story even begins.
Yea, also so many fck whiners in the comms, honestly no romantic hearts in thos fkg shit world, obnoxious.
@@Ice.muffin Bron is that you...
Finally a clear and straightforward video about this topic that I can show to some of my friends who only watch the show and were like "wait who is Jon's father and why should I care" after the last season.
Great video, well done!
plot twist: Rhaegar was the prince that was promised but he screwed it all up starting a civil war and getting himself killed trying to fulfill the prophecy instead of letting it play out and being a good king when Westeros needed it the most.
Every time Elia is mentioned over whether she was on board with her husband's infidelity and prophecy chasing, I cringe. The problem I have with the theory that Elia was on board is that it would be antithetical to what she would have been taught as a Westerosi woman. Presumably raised in the Faith, she would have been taught that she was to be faithful to her husband and vice versa. But she could have turned a blind eye to her husband's infidelity as long as he kept it discrete. Rhegar fails in this regard. Not only does he take a mistress, everyone knows that he did, bringing dishonor on her.
But more importantly, Lyanna as a mistress is a threat to Elia and her children's position as queen and heirs to the throne. This isn't about getting some loving on the side. This is a dynastic crisis. What would be Elia's recourse if Rhegar, in trying to please the wife he loves, tries to put aside Rhaenys and Aegon? There is precedent. Aegon IV did that to his son Daeron II. What if Lyanna schemed to put her children on the throne? Neither of them knew this girl and she could easily be a queen Alicent and you would have another dance. What if Lyanna's future children get it in their head that they should inherit the kingdom before Aegon? You might say that Jon Snow wouldn't dishonor himself like that. But remember that he was raised by Ned. Who knows how Lyanna might have raised him. Daemon Blackfyre was the same way until Bittersteel got to him and then came rebellion.
Given all this information, I find it difficult to believe that Elia was on board with the plan
show version which is crap the annulment is not for the children (I am sure just for Elia and the children are still line for throne.)
People only base that on the stereotypes of dornish people (which are primarily based on oberyn).
ArmageddonAngel hold up people think Elia was on board with rheagers plan. Lol idiots
Sophia Wilson The problem is that annulment is not a divorce. A divorce is "hey we tried. Let's go our separate ways." An annulment is "you and I were never married. " of course, if the marriage is annulled, the possibility exists that their children would be considered born out of wedlock and therefore be considered bastards.
The biggest problem in D&D "logic" is that there must be really GOOD reason to annulment.
She wasnt barren - they had children.
She didnt commit any treason.
They probably even didnt inform her about that annulment.
And to do such thing I believe it must be permission from High Septon? Or different important persona. It is not that any men could give such annulment.
It almost impossible to do such thing in secret. Everyone would contest such paper, so their idea and way to present it is unrealistic and stupid. But I get used to this.
So why did he instruct Arthur Dayne to kill anyone coming to the tower of Joy? If he thought he may die, he surely would have left instructions ala "in the event of my death..." and in that scenario the ONLY chance Jon had of surviving was Ned. If Dayne had won that fight, the next batch to come would certainly kill the baby whether it be Robert or Stanis or the Mountain. Playing tower defense in perpetuity against everyone - including the Starks - with only 3 knights (book version, 2 knights on TV) is not a plan - it's just a delayed death sentence for the baby/world savior. Dayne should have been thanking the Seven that it was Ned - the one person Rhaegar should have told him was OK - who found the Tower first (keeping in mind that house Stark and house Dayne were also on very good terms and he possibly knew that his own sister and Ned were, at minimum, very good friends) rather than going "Nope can't tell you where your sister is, let's fight."
S Bam becuse in the books it was rape. Even darry admitted that. So did viserys and literly everyone
Doesn't matter if it was rape lol
Is he gonna kill his own sister? No? So why protect her from him?
Good point. The only thing I can think of, is Rhaegar telling Dayne "do not let anyone in" and Dayne being obedient & literal. Or maybe Rhaegar started showing signs of Targaryen Maddess and wasn't thinking logically?
What if Arthur Dayne purposely kill the companion of Ned so that he alone may enter the tower?
then if that were the case why didn't he kill Howland Reed also? Instead he and Ned both lived
That image of Rhaegar you always use really does look like John Cena in a Silver Wig.
Lmfao I cannot unsee
And now Rhaegar has theme music that I can’t stop hearing.
Shit, that's why I couldn't see him.
Bran:"Why do you think I came all the way here?"
Bro you were carried !
PLAY THIS AT MY FUNERAL 😭👏🏾
lol
books by leynes lul wut?
LMAO
Dude...
HAHAHAHA best comment ever.
Making prophecy babies all day, lol
I've missed your videos so much!
why? So you can get ahead of the plot?
now we know where little finger gets all his information
Well played
"I've misshed your videosh sho much"
And I've missed you
Crazy how deep the world of ice and fire really is. All the connections and tie ins and lore is pretty unbelievable.
"Hey, I'm married, and you're engaged but if we don't bang, the world will literally end - and did I mention I play the harp?"
I'm not ashamed to say that I spat out my drink and couldn't stop laughing!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
10 years of books and GoT series. Thousand years of prophecies and history, all pointing John as the savior of the world. The one to end the endless night. The one to put evil down for good. And then Arya comes from another dimension and kill the Night King with a cheap hand swap trick.. c'mon...
Their focus group said they wanted Arya to be the hero because she’s “badass.” D&D thought it would be very subversive for Arya to save the world, rather than see Jon deal with the emotional fallout of having accomplished his great purpose, only to discover that he may need to accept his kingship to continue to guard the realms of men. They didn’t want to think of an interesting motivation or means to destroy the NK, WW, and army of the dead, either. Time for Star Wars!
I mean Jon did save the realm because he was the one that brought everyone together to fight the white walkers. It doesn't matter who killed the Night King. Who was the leader in the battle against Jon Snow ? It was Jon snow. So Jon Snow is still Azor Ahai.
@@dmat606 Yeah, but even that is meaningless when you think about it because they managed to beat the Night King while half of their army survived - probably off-screen ... without the help of Cercei. And they also managed to beat here easily with those few, so why havn't they attacked her before? So that WHOLE adventure behind the wall where they tired to catch some undead to convince Cercei of sending troops was for absolutely nothing. Think about it. If they decided to fuck Cercei, Danny wouln't have lost a Dragon to the Night King and maybe the Wall would be still around.
GoT has become a shit show thanks to Dumb & Dumber.
"Well we knew it was Jons story for a long time now. Jon was meant to be the hero. He's always been the hero. Everything leading up to this point is for Jon to save the day. So that just didn't seem right to us"
-dumb&dumber
After the episode
2019
jon didn't kill the night king because "He don't want it"
A sword tempered in water, a sword tempered in a lion and a sword tempered in a loved one. Jons gonna kill Euron (water), Cersei (the Lion) and finally daenerys (the loved one). Then he defeats the white walkers, and ends up sitting alone and sad, glooming on the Iron Throne (or rejecting it).
This theory shouldn't sit here, unnoticed. Nice one, dude. I like.
Or maybe theon, tyrian and dany... Three betrayals...
Are we talking about the same Jon Snow? He would rather feed himself to Dany's dragons than betray anyone
i hope you're wrong
Daenerys bet not die
When it comes to Rhaegar and Lyanna the arguments are either "Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna" or "They met at Harrenhal and fell in love but she didn't want to marry Robert so she ran away with Rhaegar instead" but a point I have only come across a few times was; A young betrothed maiden meets the Prince of the Realm while trying to hide the evidence of something which she knew could get her into serious trouble especially considering his father, although he keeps his promise and her identity safe she can't know whether his word is absolute so whenever he comes calling in secret she answers and they do get to know one another and she divulges her problems and Rhaegar absolutely falls in love with her and Lyanna may as well but she doesn't know what refusing his advances would mean so things keep escalating and it all comes to a head when he says "Come with me" with the the best intentions and plans but what is she supposed to say or do but comply, then word gets to Brandon that she was taken and the rest is history. The point to my rambling was that she went with him willingly but how much free will did she have in making that decision. Until we get an actualy canon timeline and version of events this will always be in the back of my mind but hey I have enough patience to wait on Berserk I can wait for more ASOIAF right? RIGHT???
It would be great to see the story of Roberts rebellion as a spin off or prequel to game of thrones. It would make a tv series to equal that of GOT.
RAgirl I would give all of my belongings to see a young King Robert beat the hell out of dudes. But a part of me doesn’t want to see it, it’s like seeing the secret to a magic trick.
The forbidden love which destroys a Kingdom or doomed love is a common trope from Medieval Literature. Think Lancelot and Guinivere, Arthur and Morgana, Tristan and Isolde, Romeo and Juliet even Paris and Helen of Troy. Its probably as old as storytelling itself.
And not only in Europe: Leili and Majnoon for example.
Helen of troy was kidnapped
The more I watch videos like this the more I realise what the final season was going for and how much they fucked up trying to deliver it. It’s like S8 was a speed run of the whole series I swear.
The true villain is the bells causing Dani to get sadistic murderer syndrome
The best ASMR channel on TH-cam.
Flimpeen Flarmpoon shiiiit 😂
Now I can die peacefully.
No you can't wait for season 8 to end
Random guy on the internet and for the spin offs tbh
I'm not ready yet til end of season.
You are the light to my post-Thrones depression
I think so much of the brilliance of the Revellion’s story is taken away if it was all Rhaegar’s plan. I think instead he demonstrates how even the most “promising” prince can ruin themselves by falling for prophecy and self obsession.
And if he knew what would happen, it’s hard to root for a guy who literally abandoned his wife and kids to die, which doesn’t make sense considering his belief that “the dragon has three heads”.
I think the Lyanna/Raegar storyline is based on the Helen of Troy/Paris story.
That exact thought came to my mind!
Many fans thinks it was like Romero and Juliette. But some thinks it was like Helen of Troy.
Forbidden love is an old tale that can be seen in the bible, ancient Egypt, sumerian, India and A Song of Ice and Fire.
I see Helen of Troy and Romeo and Juliet both. I don't think the Starks and the Targaryens hated each other like Romeo and Juliet's families respective families did, but they were certainly not on the best terms in the entire world. And yeah, there was a war being fought basically BECAUSE of their eloping. The relationship was basically forbidden, but they decided to go for it anyway. That's Romeo and Juliet, basically, to a tee. Meanwhile, Helen of Troy -- that actually fits maybe slightly better. Someone runs off with a woman for love and then the countries they come from descend into warfare.
@@voteZDLR GRRM is deconstructing fantasy trope, is that true over comes all, but in reality it definitely does not over comes all, it ends up backfires and ruins your life.
This is a plausible theory but I still think Rhaegar made awful, impulsive decisions that unnecessarily worsened the situation. If he'd just carried on with the political strategising he would've taken the throne and then would've been able to take a more active role in the fight against the white walkers. It would've averted the biggest problem the characters have been facing in the series, that people are too busy fighting amongst themselves to pay attention to the real threat.
Ariba Faheem hindsight is 20/20
If he hadn't eloped with lyanna on the day that he did, their son wouldn''t have been born under a comet and wouldn't have fit the prophecy. The theory here, whether right or wrong, is that it was predestined and that he knew specifically what he had to do.
they seriously need to recast this role for next season
2:45 I just realized it’s the same theme from Troy. The prince falls in love with a beautiful woman and a man goes to war to get her back.
No it’s really completely different, no comparison at all.
I still can't get over the fact that the show hired the most common looking guy to play fuckin RHAEGAR, the legend, the prince, the LAST DRAGON. Horrible casting there
Not to mention, they recast the old Viserys wig as.. a Rhaegar wig.
I agree 100%
Oh my thought exactly.........disappointed!
Dara Shariat watchmojo has done that.
I was expecting this long white haired, muscular and gorgeous looking man like model Leif Stacey in this picture www.bellazon.com/main/uploads/monthly_05_2011/post-34874-1305221066_thumb.jpg
The producers and their casting director must be blind af.
After all these expectations and theories ....Arya Stark just killed the Night King ...😎😎😎
Cuz the show writers dumped everything was build from the beginning , just for the sake of " jOnE SNow iS THe typical hero anD we wAnT tO mAkE an unexpected scenario "
@The Program D&D didn't GET 8 episodes. They INSISTED ON 8 episodes ONLY, wouldn't turn it over to other writers nor do more episodes. They were ready to be done, period.
To me, he cheated on his wife that led to her death and the death of their two young children, started a civil war, marked the end his family dynasty and was responsible for the suffering of dire his younger siblings as a castaway royal on the run. He died as a crown prince, lucky him.
Sue Lyn but what if that’s the only way to stop the white walkers and save everyone else you idiot?
Technically his marriage to Elia was annulled, so he didn't really cheat.
Robertson Thirdly what about the horn of joramun; and before you say it’s burned, is it
The Targaryens were known to have multiple wives. Say what you want about the morality of it all, but he did not cheat on his wife.
@fairytop1 Only characters that do not know the details ( basically, everyone ) say he was disloyal to his wife. Facts are facts. He did not cheat on his wife.
Getting back into ASOIAF reluctantly with HOTD imminent, and Rhaegar and Lyanna's story was one of the things that fascinated me the most when I was really into the series a few years ago before GOT's ending soured it for me. I thought I had heard everything about this theory but you shed new light on certain angles like the water, lion, wife angle and highlighting Jon's oath that means he himself could be Lightbringer and not just its wielder. I also appreciate you relayed different perspectives about Rhaegar as he's a very polarising figure and a lot of people (like in the series) portray him as either a hero or a villain, even when they know GRRM prefers grey characters. I also loved the clear, concise way you relayed everything. Finally, thanks for noting the potential of the ladies involved and wanting to know more about them, rather than them just being silent wombs and victims. I too want to know more about them. I also wonder if the Maesters Conspiracy theory is real and whether Rhaegar and Lyanna attempted to explain their actions but were foiled by the maesters who saw a chance to finally bring down the Targs. Great job.